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6 of The Best Podcast Episodes for Vince Kadlubek. A collection of podcasts episodes with or about Vince Kadlubek, often where they are interviewed.

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6 of The Best Podcast Episodes for Vince Kadlubek. A collection of podcasts episodes with or about Vince Kadlubek, often where they are interviewed.

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Imagination and transformation with Vince Kadlubek, Founder of Meow Wolf

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In this week’s installment of The Created Life, Vince Kadlubek and I dive into his personal story of overcoming a troubled past before founding the successful immersive arts company, Meow Wolf. Vince talks about his struggle coming to terms with his sexuality, his run-in with the law, and his personal life prior to finding his stride as an entrepreneur. Vince reveals what he is most proud of and what pursuing a life of creativity means to him. We discuss capitalism and non-binary thinking, his vision for himself, embracing the unknown, and his business advice for would-be entrepreneurs and visionaries.

In this week’s episode of The Created Life podcast, Vince Kadlubek and Damian Taggart discuss a wide range of topics including:

  • The immersive arts and entertainment company Meow Wolf
  • The path to success for Meow Wolf and the current expansion plans and challenges
  • Vince’s personal story before Meow Wolf
  • Not going to college
  • Dealing with closeted homosexuality
  • Being on an irresponsible track, struggling to pay rent, shoplifting
  • Transitioning from feeling suicidal, blaming, holding a grudge to responsibility and leadership
  • Transformation and creativity
  • The power of possibility and manifestation
  • The problem with binary thinking
  • Demanding more from capitalism

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Jan 21 2020 · 48mins
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S3 EP5: Designing for Excellent Wow — with Meow Wolf Founder Vince Kadlubek

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As humans, we yearn for artistic experiences that disrupt the day-to-day and wow us with a greater reality beyond our to-do list. That’s what draws us to the wonder of film and literature and art exhibits.

In the absence of such experiences, we fall down the rabbit hole of digital distractions, scrolling Instagram for the unpredictability, the excitement of discovery we’re not getting from our physical environment.

But what if we didn’t have to go to a gallery or a theater to encounter these transformative moments? What if artful experiences were available in ordinary places? What if you yourself could design for disruption and delight on a small scale in your own business and brand?

Today, Jeffrey explores the impact of artful, transformative experiences with Vince Kadlubek, cofounder and executive advisor of Meow Wolf, an award-winning immersive arts production company out of Santa Fe, New Mexico. Vince explains how he went from struggling artist to head of a company valued at nine figures, describing how he thinks about the tension between art and commerce. He speaks to what he calls the crisis of imagination, discussing why people are hungry for imaginative analog experiences and what businesses can do artfully in response to the crisis. Listen in for insight into how the emerging experience economy is changing the way businesses engage with customers and learn the design parameters Vince uses to create the kind of reality-bending, transformational moments that make for an excellent life.

Key Takeaways

[0:02] The human desire to be moved by artistic experiences

  • Want to be surprised, disrupt day-to-day doldrums
  • In lieu of such experiences we seek digital distraction
  • Potential to design artful moments in business/brand

[5:17] How Vince’s creative genius expressed itself early on

  • Desire to serve + engage creatively (host sister’s sleepovers)
  • See world with critical eye, ironic commentary on capitalism

[8:34] What moved Vince to disrupt the mainstream Santa Fe art scene

  • Disconnect between gallery owners and creative energy of city
  • Experience at Warehouse 21 inspired to uplift true creative spirit
  • Opportunity to save economy by appealing to Gen X tourist

[16:23] The early days of the Meow Wolf arts collective

  • Dumpster dive for materials at Salvation Army and Goodwill
  • Build large sculptures from trash out of necessity

[20:20] The turning point when Vince was arrested for shoplifting

  • Doing media literacy art program in Santa Fe elementary schools
  • Caught stealing video games at Walmart to fund project
  • Arresting officer supported in court, got into 12-step program

[26:36] The mammouth growth of Meow Wolf in the last four years

  • Took business course in creative startups, shift to for-profit
  • Wrote business plan and pitched to George R. R. Martin
  • Opened House of Eternal Return ($9M revenue first year)
  • Currently expanding art attractions to other cities

[34:35] The opportunity around our shift to an experience economy

  • Disrupt default drive for mere efficiency or profit
  • Use creative spirit to design memorable events for customers
  • Engage on physical, emotional, intellectual or spiritual level

[37:10] How Vince reconciles the tension between art and commerce

  • Used to strive for predictability, efficiency in value exchange
  • Addicted to unpredictability again with advent of internet
  • Gives creativity opening (billions willing to pay for experience)

[43:04] Why people are hungry for memorable analog experiences

  • Built reality needs art + imagination to compete with phones
  • Creative economy will transform how we think about value

[46:44] Vince’s description of the House of Eternal Return

  • Through dark hallway to front yard of Victorian house at night
  • Visitors have agency to go anywhere they want from there
  • Access to portals to other worlds (e.g.: refrigerator = hallway)

[52:03] The design parameters for creating transformative experiences

  • User must own experience
  • Operate on gradient (blended vs. singular aesthetic)
  • Create transformation with dimensionality, subspaces
  • Get people out of comfort zone with movement
  • Take from known to accessible unknown

[59:17] How Vince is contending with the art of saying NO

  • Any idea = good idea in isolation
  • Look at opportunities in context of defined framework

[1:03:00] The questions that arise out of today’s conversation with Vince

  • How are you assuming creative agency of your life/business?
  • How does your brand foster creative agency in its customers?
  • How could your brand help people stay open to uncertainty?
  • How could your brand design transformational moments?
Connect with Vince

Vince on LinkedIn

Meow Wolf

Meow Wolf on Facebook

Meow Wolf on Instagram

Meow Wolf on YouTube

Meow Wolf Documentary Origin Story


A Wondrous Mind on 1440 Multiversity

House of Eternal Return

Warehouse 21

Center for Contemporary Arts Santa Fe

Matt King

The Andy Warhol Foundation for the Visual Arts

Yayoi Kusama

James Turrell


My Project Brief

‘Welcome to the Experience Economy’ in Harvard Business Review


Video of the House of Eternal Return

Chip Heath & Chris Fink on Tracking Wonder S2EP02

The Power of Moments: Why Certain Experiences Have an Extraordinary Impact by Chip and Dan Heath


Meow Wolf in Denver

Meow Wolf in DC

Marc and Angel Chernoff

Nov 12 2019 · 1hr 6mins
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KID ASTRONAUT PODCAST: Episode 12 (w/ Vince Kadlubek)

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Episode 12 is with Meow Wolf CEO + Co-Founder Vince Kadlubek. In this episode we discuss the Santa-Fe based multiverse based playhouse - We discuss the good + difficult about running a company and we talk about ways to keep the art community thriving. TUNE IN!!!


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Aug 04 2019 · 27mins
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#26 - The Business of Building a Psychedelic Disneyland | Vince Kadlubek (Meow Wolf)

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Would you like to make money making art? How about 158 million dollars? Not easy, but apparently not impossible. The intersection of art and business can be tricky for creatives wary of “selling out.” That’s why today’s guest is such an interesting life-designer. Not only has Vince Kadlubek designed his life like a festival, but he’s helped do so for hundreds of artists, as CEO of the mighty Meow Wolf.

You might know Meow Wolf from the House of Eternal Return which is conveniently located in my hometown of Santa Fe New Mexico. But you’ll soon be seeing them in Denver and Vegas and likely beyond. Meow Wolf was a small, punk collective but with the help of Game of Thrones author George RR Martin and a hell of a lot of grit and ingenuity, they have become leaders in the experience economy.

Today on the podcast, you’ll hear Vince’s story, including his struggles with leadership style, loneliness and the death of a dear friend as well as his personal philosophy on the intersection of money and art. He rejects the Disney-land model of replicating success but maintains that art can be sustainable. Don’t get lost in the grind of past projects, become a future being by challenging your perspective.

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Jul 24 2019 · 1hr 12mins
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The Art of Meow Wolf: Vince Kadlubek, CEO & Co-Founder of Meow Wolf

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Vince Kadlubek pioneered the creative force that is Meow Wolf, a Santa Fe artist collective dedicated to building interactive and immersive experiences to transport visitors of all ages into fantastic realms ripe for exploration. In this episode we speak with Vince about how Meow Wolf achieve its impressive level of success, what Meow Wolf's ethos is, and where/how he sees tech is enabling the arts.

-About Vince Kadlubek-

Vince Kadlubek is the Co-founder and CEO of Meow Wolf, an arts collective that has transformed into a remarkable, award winning arts production company. After leading Meow Wolf to win the inaugural startup competition from Creative Startups Vince created the business plan for Meow Wolf’s House of Eternal Return. In the last year he has started 3 new thriving businesses. He is the chair of the Santa Fe, New Mexico planning commission. Vince is a native of Santa Fe and is deeply committed to supporting local growth as well as bringing unique, indescribable, immersive art experiences to the world. His unorthodox approach to business has helped pave the way to Meow Wolf’s unprecedented success.

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-About Meow Wolf-

Meow Wolf creates immersive, interactive experiences to transport audiences of all ages into fantastic realms of story and exploration. The group’s first permanent installation, launched in March 2016 with support from Game Of Thrones creator George R.R. Martin, showcases the THEA Award-winning House of Eternal Return, where guests discover a multidimensional mystery house with secret passages, portals to magical worlds, climbing apparatus, and surreal, maximalist & mesmerizing art exhibits along with a children’s learning center, top ten in the U.S. music venue and cafe area.

The company is composed of nearly 200 artists across all disciplines including architecture, sculpture, painting, photography and video production, virtual and augmented reality, music and audio engineering, narrative writing, costuming and performance, and more. Basically everything.

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Tweet them @MeowWolf

Jun 21 2018 · 39mins
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#16 Meow Wolf CEO Vince Kadlubek: Changing the Economy Through Art

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#repost! We took this episode down to make a crucial cut. If you heard it the first time, enjoy it again cuz it's that good! If you missed it, here's your chance to listen to the world's hottest immersive arts company spin gold through their CEO.

Mar 07 2018 · 1hr 28mins