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It’s Not Always Black and White

Bongi Msimanga and Matt Hodson explore their marriage. Talking love, race and the grey spaces in between.Producer: Emma Newman.Originally broadcast on BBC Radio Stoke.

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Finding Your Tribe

Finding Your Tribe

Bongi and Matt return for a one off special episode, but that means you get the chance to meet their new four-legged arr... Read more

26 May 2022

39mins

Ranked #2

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What I Don't Understand About Patriotism

What I Don't Understand About Patriotism

Bongi and Matt talk racial micro aggressions, unity and English patriotism, plus when it comes to multi-cultural food, t... Read more

28 Feb 2022

28mins

Ranked #3

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Wearing Onesies To Bed

Wearing Onesies To Bed

Bongi and Matt get personal in this episode, talking about love, sex and relationships. They’re more honest and open tha... Read more

21 Feb 2022

26mins

Ranked #4

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It's Tough Talking About Emotions

It's Tough Talking About Emotions

Bongi opens up about her own mental health and how hard she has found the last two years, sharing her experiences of rac... Read more

14 Feb 2022

27mins

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I Never Thought I’d Shower With A Dog

I Never Thought I’d Shower With A Dog

Bongi and Matt reveal just how spoilt their 5 year old pug Winston is, what Bongi’s family in South Africa think of thei... Read more

7 Feb 2022

29mins

Ranked #6

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The Lord Moves In Mysterious Ways

The Lord Moves In Mysterious Ways

Bongi is a Christian and Matt is agnostic. In this episode they talk about their differing views when it comes to faith,... Read more

31 Jan 2022

34mins

Ranked #7

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You Can’t Choose Your Family

You Can’t Choose Your Family

Bongi and Matt talk openly about the cultural differences between their families, the fears they have about raising mixe... Read more

24 Jan 2022

34mins

Ranked #8

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It's Not Always Black & White Is Back

It's Not Always Black & White Is Back

It's not Always Black and White returns on Monday 24th January. Bongi and Matt are back and discuss their relationship ... Read more

18 Jan 2022

1min

Ranked #9

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Football and Racism Special Part 3

Football and Racism Special Part 3

In the final episode of our football and racism specials, Bongi and Matt discuss how politics ended up on the pitch at E... Read more

16 Jul 2021

26mins

Ranked #10

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Football and Racism Special Part 2

Football and Racism Special Part 2

Bongi and Matt discuss why the England team taking the knee become so divisive during Euro 2020 and got them booed by so... Read more

16 Jul 2021

24mins

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