Paul Bruch-Wiens is a Private Wealth Manager at Quadrant Private Wealth, based in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada, where he lives with his spouse, two children and still has a deep passion for the performing arts.QUOTES“Singing in close harmony with my family and church community was a way of life. It was something you just did every Sunday.”“After I finished a business degree, the only thing I could do to have gainful employment based on the training was to be a bookkeeper. But I’d already done that for 3 years as a part time job. It wasn’t interesting to me. So instead I studied for a Master of Music.”“There was no job lined up for you coming out of music school, but I adamantly chose not to be a music teacher.”“I got the job (in a bank) and thought it would solve everything. But it didn’t. It was really difficult to come to terms with making the wholesale change. In my heart of hearts I was still a performer and the reality of the situation had not caught up with me. I just didn’t believe it. I perhaps thought I would go back.”“I have all of these things to pull experience from. People don’t necessarily want advice from people who haven’t felt that themselves”“It’s liberating when you  find yourself, and let go of who you think you should be.”LINKSFind Paul on LinkedINPODCAST TEAMProduction Support from Molly Jenkins Audio Engineering from Frazer RuddickTheme Music Composed by Danna YunTheme Music Performed by Jasper LyRECORDEDRecorded on 21 October 2021

Paul Bruch-Wiens is a Private Wealth Manager at Quadrant Private Wealth, based in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada, where he lives with his spouse, two children and still has a deep passion for the performing arts.QUOTES“Singing in close harmony with my family and church community was a way of life. It was something you just did every Sunday.”“After I finished a business degree, the only thing I could do to have gainful employment based on the training was to be a bookkeeper. But I’d already done that for 3 years as a part time job. It wasn’t interesting to me. So instead I studied for a Master of Music.”“There was no job lined up for you coming out of music school, but I adamantly chose not to be a music teacher.”“I got the job (in a bank) and thought it would solve everything. But it didn’t. It was really difficult to come to terms with making the wholesale change. In my heart of hearts I was still a performer and the reality of the situation had not caught up with me. I just didn’t believe it. I perhaps thought I would go back.”“I have all of these things to pull experience from. People don’t necessarily want advice from people who haven’t felt that themselves”“It’s liberating when you  find yourself, and let go of who you think you should be.”LINKS<ul><li>Find Paul on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/pbruchwiens/?originalSubdomain=ca" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">LinkedIN</a></li></ul>PODCAST TEAMProduction Support from Molly Jenkins Audio Engineering from <a href="http://www.frazerruddick.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Frazer Ruddick</a>Theme Music Composed by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/danna-yun-1499121b3/?originalSubdomain=au" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Danna Yun</a>Theme Music Performed by <a href="https://www.jasperly.com.au/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Jasper Ly</a>RECORDEDRecorded on 21 October 2021

THE STRUGGLE IS REAL with Paul Bruch-Wiens

A former professional oboe and cor anglais player based in London, Sadah Webster now works as an investigator and intelligence analyst. Investigating whistleblower complaints and misuses of public office.QUOTES“I was halfway through a Bachelor of Music degree when I took a year off to study linguistics and live in Thailand.”“I didn’t know what I was doing, I was petrified all the time and I was burned out.”“Looking back, emotionally, I think the fact that I was advanced as a player quite early on and I got thrown into a lot of stuff which was great for my playing but emotionally I wasn't ready.”“Because I had solely focussed on being an Oboist, I didn’t know anything else.”“I had various attempts at retraining, but a sense of purpose came much later in my emotional journey.”“As a freelancer, you never know why you don’t get booked.”“The context in which we learn perpetuates “there’s something wrong with me” and the same toxic productivity runs through the law school as in music school.” “Assumptions are being made about your work ethic, motivation and ability to use your time. I had been told by various teachers that I was lazy when I couldn't practice more because instead I had to work to earn a living.”“The only tool the teachers have is “well just practice more”.“The work was more stressful than enjoyable, the balance had totally shifted and I was just exhausted.”“The cost benefit analysis of being an oboist doesn’t make sense, but I didn’t know how to make that assessment when I was studying.”LINKSFind Sadan on LinkedINPODCAST TEAMProduction Support from Molly Jenkins Audio Engineering from Frazer RuddickTheme Music Composed by Danna YunTheme Music Performed by Jasper LyRECORDEDRecorded on 24 October 2021

A former professional oboe and cor anglais player based in London, Sadah Webster now works as an investigator and intelligence analyst. Investigating whistleblower complaints and misuses of public office.QUOTES“I was halfway through a Bachelor of Music degree when I took a year off to study linguistics and live in Thailand.”“I didn’t know what I was doing, I was petrified all the time and I was burned out.”“Looking back, emotionally, I think the fact that I was advanced as a player quite early on and I got thrown into a lot of stuff which was great for my playing but emotionally I wasn't ready.”“Because I had solely focussed on being an Oboist, I didn’t know anything else.”“I had various attempts at retraining, but a sense of purpose came much later in my emotional journey.”“As a freelancer, you never know why you don’t get booked.”“The context in which we learn perpetuates “there’s something wrong with me” and the same toxic productivity runs through the law school as in music school.” “Assumptions are being made about your work ethic, motivation and ability to use your time. I had been told by various teachers that I was lazy when I couldn't practice more because instead I had to work to earn a living.”“The only tool the teachers have is “well just practice more”.“The work was more stressful than enjoyable, the balance had totally shifted and I was just exhausted.”“The cost benefit analysis of being an oboist doesn’t make sense, but I didn’t know how to make that assessment when I was studying.”LINKS<ul><li>Find Sadan on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/sadah-webster-73822244/?originalSubdomain=au" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">LinkedIN</a></li></ul>PODCAST TEAMProduction Support from Molly Jenkins Audio Engineering from <a href="http://www.frazerruddick.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Frazer Ruddick</a>Theme Music Composed by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/danna-yun-1499121b3/?originalSubdomain=au" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Danna Yun</a>Theme Music Performed by <a href="https://www.jasperly.com.au/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Jasper Ly</a>RECORDEDRecorded on 24 October 2021

CLASS AND CLASSICAL MUSIC with Sadah Webster

Daniel Meyers

Daniel Meyers is a bass player, music administrator, and professional fundraiser who currently manages donor relations and annual giving at the Epilepsy Foundation of Minnesota. Before moving into fundraising, Daniel performed regularly as a substitute with the Chicago Symphony Orchestra, and he was a member of the Civic Orchestra of Chicago.QUOTES“I was playing with orchestras that were “the end goal” if you’re searching for a career as an orchestral musician, but I wasn’t finding the connection and focus on the audience and that focus on the audience. That’s what I care about.”“I never heard or rarely heard musicians talk about the experience of the audience. And I felt like the people I was playing with didn’t care that much.”“I don’t think you can expect something that someone does full time, that it can't be a job just some of the time.”“You have this great opportunity and people are congratulating you, your peers are congratulating because you’ve achieved their dream. You feel like you should be on top of the world and you’re not. This is what I was hoping for and it’s really not all that”"It was just a job for a lot of them."LINKSFind Daniel on LinkedINUnsupervised EnsembleAubrey BergauerRuth HarttSt Olaf CollegePODCAST TEAMProduction Support from Molly Jenkins Audio Engineering from Frazer RuddickTheme Music Composed by Danna YunTheme Music Performed by Jasper LyRECORDEDRecorded on 08 October 2021

Daniel Meyers is a bass player, music administrator, and professional fundraiser who currently manages donor relations and annual giving at the Epilepsy Foundation of Minnesota. Before moving into fundraising, Daniel performed regularly as a substitute with the Chicago Symphony Orchestra, and he was a member of the Civic Orchestra of Chicago.QUOTES“I was playing with orchestras that were “the end goal” if you’re searching for a career as an orchestral musician, but I wasn’t finding the connection and focus on the audience and that focus on the audience. That’s what I care about.”“I never heard or rarely heard musicians talk about the experience of the audience. And I felt like the people I was playing with didn’t care that much.”“I don’t think you can expect something that someone does full time, that it can't be a job just some of the time.”“You have this great opportunity and people are congratulating you, your peers are congratulating because you’ve achieved their dream. You feel like you should be on top of the world and you’re not. This is what I was hoping for and it’s really not all that”"It was just a job for a lot of them."LINKS<ul><li>Find Daniel on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/meyersdaniel/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">LinkedIN</a></li><li><a href="https://www.unsupervisedchi.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Unsupervised Ensemble</a></li><li><a href="https://www.aubreybergauer.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Aubrey Bergauer</a></li><li><a href="https://www.ruthhartt.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Ruth Hartt</a></li><li><a href="https://wp.stolaf.edu/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">St Olaf College</a></li></ul>PODCAST TEAMProduction Support from Molly Jenkins Audio Engineering from <a href="http://www.frazerruddick.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Frazer Ruddick</a>Theme Music Composed by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/danna-yun-1499121b3/?originalSubdomain=au" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Danna Yun</a>Theme Music Performed by <a href="https://www.jasperly.com.au/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Jasper Ly</a>RECORDEDRecorded on 08 October 2021

PLAY YOUR PART with Daniel Meyers

Sarah Denholm

Sarah Denholm was originally a classical pianist who moved into a successful career as a speaking and presentation skills coach, built after suffering from performance anxiety.Sarah’s pathway back to comfort on stage was learning the art of public speaking. She now helps others globally through her Speakers Confluence® confidence and influence coaching and training programs.QUOTESOn performing and imposter syndrome “I found it so stressful, and that’s still in my body.”On being seen “I’ve had to learn how to overcome being looked at.”On self-healing and finding your voice “I was determined to move forwards, I needed safety so much.”On helping clients “When you’re speaking with fluency, you’re not fighting yourself.”On your journey “I miss what I used to do but I don’t regret a moment of it. What I’m doing now is what I’m meant to be doing.”LINKSFind Sarah on her websiteBurnout by Amelia and Emily NagoskiTrauma specialist Bessel Van Der KolkPODCAST TEAMProduction Support from Molly Jenkins Audio Engineering from Frazer RuddickTheme Music Composed by Danna YunTheme Music Performed by Jasper LyRECORDEDRecorded on 16 September 2021

Sarah Denholm was originally a classical pianist who moved into a successful career as a speaking and presentation skills coach, built after suffering from performance anxiety.Sarah’s pathway back to comfort on stage was learning the art of public speaking. She now helps others globally through her Speakers Confluence® confidence and influence coaching and training programs.QUOTESOn performing and imposter syndrome “I found it so stressful, and that’s still in my body.”On being seen “I’ve had to learn how to overcome being looked at.”On self-healing and finding your voice “I was determined to move forwards, I needed safety so much.”On helping clients “When you’re speaking with fluency, you’re not fighting yourself.”On your journey “I miss what I used to do but I don’t regret a moment of it. What I’m doing now is what I’m meant to be doing.”LINKS<ul><li>Find Sarah on her <a href="https://improveyourpublicspeaking.com.au/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">website</a></li><li><a href="https://www.burnoutbook.net/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Burnout</a> by Amelia and Emily Nagoski</li><li>Trauma specialist <a href="https://www.besselvanderkolk.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Bessel Van Der Kolk</a></li></ul>PODCAST TEAMProduction Support from Molly Jenkins Audio Engineering from <a href="http://www.frazerruddick.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Frazer Ruddick</a>Theme Music Composed by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/danna-yun-1499121b3/?originalSubdomain=au" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Danna Yun</a>Theme Music Performed by <a href="https://www.jasperly.com.au/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Jasper Ly</a>RECORDEDRecorded on 16 September 2021

SPEAKING UP with Sarah Denholm

ABOUT TIFFANY QUOTES“At the end of first semester, I was looking around thinking about the professionals I had worked with from all different ages and backgrounds. I thought that if I wanted to add something, what might that be? I was interested in arts admin and thought if I understand what managers want then I could craft myself to navigate that sphere.”“ What was eye opening was that backstage at Carnegie Hall looks the same as backstage as anywhere else. Eye opening to see the reality of a thing I had held sacred in my mind.”“Living in Manhatten on $26K meant I was tired of choosing between rent or groceries. So I went to a headhunter and went to a hedge fund. They doubled my salary overnight. I thought “what is this world”.”“What I thought was a means to an end, turned out to be life changing.”“I had a lightbulb moment in a donor meeting, talking about their giving to the institution. I thought if everybody had access to this level of planning, this team of experts behind them then we could literally create a whole new generation of philanthropists and everybody could achieve their goals. What would I need to do that?.”“So much of what I do is healing relationships with couples or individuals and their interactions with money.”LINKSFind Tiffany on LinkedIN or at Virtuoso Advising, Virtuoso Asset Management, FB,  InstagramColbert Artists Management“Atomic Habits” by James ClearPODCAST TEAMProduction Support from Molly Jenkins Audio Engineering from Frazer RuddickTheme Music Composed by Danna YunTheme Music Performed by Jasper LyRECORDEDRecorded on 11 October 2021

ABOUT TIFFANY QUOTES“At the end of first semester, I was looking around thinking about the professionals I had worked with from all different ages and backgrounds. I thought that if I wanted to add something, what might that be? I was interested in arts admin and thought if I understand what managers want then I could craft myself to navigate that sphere.”“ What was eye opening was that backstage at Carnegie Hall looks the same as backstage as anywhere else. Eye opening to see the reality of a thing I had held sacred in my mind.”“Living in Manhatten on $26K meant I was tired of choosing between rent or groceries. So I went to a headhunter and went to a hedge fund. They doubled my salary overnight. I thought “what is this world”.”“What I thought was a means to an end, turned out to be life changing.”“I had a lightbulb moment in a donor meeting, talking about their giving to the institution. I thought if everybody had access to this level of planning, this team of experts behind them then we could literally create a whole new generation of philanthropists and everybody could achieve their goals. What would I need to do that?.”“So much of what I do is healing relationships with couples or individuals and their interactions with money.”LINKS<ul><li>Find Tiffany on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/tiffany-soricelli-00706026/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">LinkedIN</a> or at <a href="www.virtuosoadvising.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Virtuoso Advising</a>, <a href="www.virtuosoassetmanagement.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Virtuoso Asset Management</a>, <a href="www.facebook.com/virtuosoadvising" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">FB</a>,  <a href="www.instagram.com/virtuosoadvising" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://colbertartists.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Colbert Artists Management</a></li><li><a href="https://jamesclear.com/atomic-habits" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">“Atomic Habits” </a>by James Clear</li></ul>PODCAST TEAMProduction Support from Molly Jenkins Audio Engineering from <a href="http://www.frazerruddick.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Frazer Ruddick</a>Theme Music Composed by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/danna-yun-1499121b3/?originalSubdomain=au" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Danna Yun</a>Theme Music Performed by <a href="https://www.jasperly.com.au/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Jasper Ly</a>RECORDEDRecorded on 11 October 2021

MONEY MATTERS with Tiffany Soricelli

Michael Lowenstern

Michael Lowenstern has spent 15 years as a professional bass clarinetist specializing in avant garde jazz, and 15 years as a professional brand marketer specializing in data-driven creative strategy. Those journeys have two things in common: They are both niche corners of their respective markets, and they are both things that most people couldn't care less about. He's currently a Principal Creative Director for Amazon.QUOTES“After music school when I turned up in NY, I stared at the phone. It took about 7 years to establish myself and I was doing the work I always wanted with Steve Reich, John Zorn and Peter Sekin. But I wasn’t making much.“I always had ‘double majoring’ in life, it started as a temp and then worked in advertising.”“I was driving on the New Jersey turnpike at midnight, having an existential conversation. I just played Beethoven for the millionth time, I hadn’t seen my kid in 3 days because I also have a day job with night gigs. Would I rather play Beethoven and fulfil that destiny for the rest of  my life or would I rather watch my kid grow up.” (2005)“Now I’m able to feel fulfilled as a musician and have a second job”“I landed in a great spot by dumb luck”“The critical thinking part is not about being a clarinet player (singer, pianist, composer) it’s about being a musical contributor. If you're not contributing, you're taking. And if you're not empathetic, you don't know how to give. And if you don't do that, then you're not part of the solution that's pushing music forward.”“if you’re successful at more than one thing, there’s precedent for that. Not to compare myself, but there are a lot of people in history who’ve been good at more than one thing.”LINKSFind Mike on the Earspasm website or on Youtube “How to deal with not doing music full time?” on EarspasmPODCAST TEAMProduction Support from Molly Jenkins Audio Engineering from Frazer RuddickTheme Music Composed by Danna YunTheme Music Performed by Jasper LyRECORDEDRecorded on 03 September 2021

Michael Lowenstern has spent 15 years as a professional bass clarinetist specializing in avant garde jazz, and 15 years as a professional brand marketer specializing in data-driven creative strategy. Those journeys have two things in common: They are both niche corners of their respective markets, and they are both things that most people couldn't care less about. He's currently a Principal Creative Director for Amazon.QUOTES“After music school when I turned up in NY, I stared at the phone. It took about 7 years to establish myself and I was doing the work I always wanted with Steve Reich, John Zorn and Peter Sekin. But I wasn’t making much.“I always had ‘double majoring’ in life, it started as a temp and then worked in advertising.”“I was driving on the New Jersey turnpike at midnight, having an existential conversation. I just played Beethoven for the millionth time, I hadn’t seen my kid in 3 days because I also have a day job with night gigs. Would I rather play Beethoven and fulfil that destiny for the rest of  my life or would I rather watch my kid grow up.” (2005)“Now I’m able to feel fulfilled as a musician and have a second job”“I landed in a great spot by dumb luck”“The critical thinking part is not about being a clarinet player (singer, pianist, composer) it’s about being a musical contributor. If you're not contributing, you're taking. And if you're not empathetic, you don't know how to give. And if you don't do that, then you're not part of the solution that's pushing music forward.”“if you’re successful at more than one thing, there’s precedent for that. Not to compare myself, but there are a lot of people in history who’ve been good at more than one thing.”LINKS<ul><li>Find Mike on the Earspasm <a href="https://www.earspasm.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">website </a>or on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFG3e7QwIryPY8c-dDAoIVQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Youtube </a></li><li><a href="https://www.earspasm.com/blog/2020/1/3/how-to-deal-with-not-doing-music-full-time" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">“How to deal with not doing music full time?” </a>on Earspasm</li></ul>PODCAST TEAMProduction Support from Molly Jenkins Audio Engineering from <a href="http://www.frazerruddick.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Frazer Ruddick</a>Theme Music Composed by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/danna-yun-1499121b3/?originalSubdomain=au" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Danna Yun</a>Theme Music Performed by <a href="https://www.jasperly.com.au/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Jasper Ly</a>RECORDEDRecorded on 03 September 2021

DOUBLE MAJORING with Michael Lowenstern

Angel Lezak is a patent prosecutor with 15 years of prosecution experience who has been able to successfully leverage the knowledge and experience she gained at the USPTO to develop and execute creative, effective strategies for prosecuting both new and problematic patent applications to issuance.As part of her practice, Angel develops and manages patent portfolios for new and existing clients. Additionally, Angel analyzes existing patent families to determine the value and strength of pending and acquired claim sets. Angel's methods expedite prosecution and minimize prosecution history.QUOTES“I had a parent who was concerned about how music would translate into income but I never seemed to have that worry.”“My choice to go to law school had a lot to do with experiences I had. As a graduate composer from Eastman, I was writing music for a new Jim Henson production. Jim passed away and it was a struggle to get the scores back. I thought “Wow that’s pretty powerful. I can help others with this.”“My interest in law, honesty, fairness, truth and integrity came from my grandmother. She believed in me.”“In engineering school, the majority are introverted types who don’t particularly care for change. Also my dad had a PhD in math, anytime something changed it threw him off and made him go sideways. A lot of the people I work with are the same way but in engineering school I found myself convincing others that the world will not fall apart if they make changes because the change makes sense.”“Music has given me the courage to do things that others might not be comfortable with but I've always known worked. Also kindness, I always try to help others. Music has made me like that.“I love making my clients look good, I love getting them tonnes of patents. They go to their board of directors and look amazing, it’s like I wrote you the perfect piece for you to perform and get applause.”LINKSFind Angel on LinkedINInn of Court “IP Was” parodyPODCAST TEAMProduction Support from Molly Jenkins Audio Engineering from Frazer RuddickTheme Music Composed by Danna YunTheme Music Performed by Jasper LyRECORDEDRecorded on 03 September 2021

Angel Lezak is a patent prosecutor with 15 years of prosecution experience who has been able to successfully leverage the knowledge and experience she gained at the USPTO to develop and execute creative, effective strategies for prosecuting both new and problematic patent applications to issuance.As part of her practice, Angel develops and manages patent portfolios for new and existing clients. Additionally, Angel analyzes existing patent families to determine the value and strength of pending and acquired claim sets. Angel's methods expedite prosecution and minimize prosecution history.QUOTES“I had a parent who was concerned about how music would translate into income but I never seemed to have that worry.”“My choice to go to law school had a lot to do with experiences I had. As a graduate composer from Eastman, I was writing music for a new Jim Henson production. Jim passed away and it was a struggle to get the scores back. I thought “Wow that’s pretty powerful. I can help others with this.”“My interest in law, honesty, fairness, truth and integrity came from my grandmother. She believed in me.”“In engineering school, the majority are introverted types who don’t particularly care for change. Also my dad had a PhD in math, anytime something changed it threw him off and made him go sideways. A lot of the people I work with are the same way but in engineering school I found myself convincing others that the world will not fall apart if they make changes because the change makes sense.”“Music has given me the courage to do things that others might not be comfortable with but I've always known worked. Also kindness, I always try to help others. Music has made me like that.“I love making my clients look good, I love getting them tonnes of patents. They go to their board of directors and look amazing, it’s like I wrote you the perfect piece for you to perform and get applause.”LINKS<ul><li>Find <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/arrienne-angel-lezak-b69380a/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Angel on LinkedIN</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-AJE_67xDI" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Inn of Court “IP Was” parody</a></li></ul>PODCAST TEAMProduction Support from Molly Jenkins Audio Engineering from <a href="http://www.frazerruddick.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Frazer Ruddick</a>Theme Music Composed by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/danna-yun-1499121b3/?originalSubdomain=au" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Danna Yun</a>Theme Music Performed by <a href="https://www.jasperly.com.au/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Jasper Ly</a>RECORDEDRecorded on 03 September 2021

INTEGRITY AND FAIRNESS  with Angel Lezak

Jackson Harnwell is a former singer and conductor, having studied at the Melbourne Conservatorium of Music and worked with artists including Anthony Warlow, David Hobson, Helena Dix, Teddy Tahu Rhodes and Yvonne Kenny. Today, Jackson oversees the clinical training of medical and health discipline students at the University of Melbourne, following a 10-year career in higher education.QUOTES“Church choir was an amazing opportunity that connected with me. To be able to create on my own, bond with others, sing in a group and share the emotion.”“I have memories of my choir master having to settle me down because the church choir went to stand, they're all very stoic and grim faced as they sing perfectly constructed vowels and I wanted to dance. I wanted to move around and express that emotion that was inside me.”“I started to have some self doubt, maybe there’s more work that I need to do that I didn’t understand I needed to do.”“Going into university, my perspective was that I was very good. That changed quickly when I became part of a cohort of people that, in my mind, singing came easier to.”“No matter how hard I worked, how much I did, I couldn’t seem to overcome some of these hurdles.”“People really identified that one of my skills was that I could jump into unknown territory and be really crystal clear on the outcome that I wanted to achieve.”“It’s probably only in the last three or four years, I've been able to recognize and accept just how much my creative self influences the work that I do, and is valuable to the organization and that it's not something that should be kept separate.”“I realised if I was going to make a living from performing, I knew how much work that would be. But what did “making it” look like? It means taking gigs that you don’t want because you need to pay the bills and you don’t get to choose what performance opportunities come up. That wasn’t for me. The idea of this thing that I loved  so much becoming a chore was terrifying.”“The pandemic has really brought to the fore my performing background. I’ve identified that I thrive in a crisis, because I'm so used to not knowing what's around the corner, not knowing what might happen on stage.”“The saddest thing that I have seen, with some incredibly talented, passionate musicians and performers, is that they leave it too late and lose the love of it. Eventually they're forced into a career transition and they cannot bring themselves to engage with their creative self anymore and that is an awful thing.”LINKSFind Jackson on LinkedIN“Think Again” by Adam GrantOpera Scholars AustraliaPODCAST TEAMProduction Support from Molly Jenkins Audio Engineering from Frazer RuddickTheme Music Composed by Danna YunTheme Music Performed by Jasper LyRECORDEDRecorded on 27 August 2021

Jackson Harnwell is a former singer and conductor, having studied at the Melbourne Conservatorium of Music and worked with artists including Anthony Warlow, David Hobson, Helena Dix, Teddy Tahu Rhodes and Yvonne Kenny. Today, Jackson oversees the clinical training of medical and health discipline students at the University of Melbourne, following a 10-year career in higher education.QUOTES“Church choir was an amazing opportunity that connected with me. To be able to create on my own, bond with others, sing in a group and share the emotion.”“I have memories of my choir master having to settle me down because the church choir went to stand, they're all very stoic and grim faced as they sing perfectly constructed vowels and I wanted to dance. I wanted to move around and express that emotion that was inside me.”“I started to have some self doubt, maybe there’s more work that I need to do that I didn’t understand I needed to do.”“Going into university, my perspective was that I was very good. That changed quickly when I became part of a cohort of people that, in my mind, singing came easier to.”“No matter how hard I worked, how much I did, I couldn’t seem to overcome some of these hurdles.”“People really identified that one of my skills was that I could jump into unknown territory and be really crystal clear on the outcome that I wanted to achieve.”“It’s probably only in the last three or four years, I've been able to recognize and accept just how much my creative self influences the work that I do, and is valuable to the organization and that it's not something that should be kept separate.”“I realised if I was going to make a living from performing, I knew how much work that would be. But what did “making it” look like? It means taking gigs that you don’t want because you need to pay the bills and you don’t get to choose what performance opportunities come up. That wasn’t for me. The idea of this thing that I loved  so much becoming a chore was terrifying.”“The pandemic has really brought to the fore my performing background. I’ve identified that I thrive in a crisis, because I'm so used to not knowing what's around the corner, not knowing what might happen on stage.”“The saddest thing that I have seen, with some incredibly talented, passionate musicians and performers, is that they leave it too late and lose the love of it. Eventually they're forced into a career transition and they cannot bring themselves to engage with their creative self anymore and that is an awful thing.”LINKS<ul><li>Find <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jackson-harnwell/?originalSubdomain=au" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Jackson on LinkedIN</a></li><li><a href="https://www.adamgrant.net/book/think-again/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">“Think Again” </a>by Adam Grant</li><li><a href="https://www.operascholarsaustralia.com.au/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Opera Scholars Australia</a></li></ul>PODCAST TEAMProduction Support from Molly Jenkins Audio Engineering from <a href="http://www.frazerruddick.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Frazer Ruddick</a>Theme Music Composed by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/danna-yun-1499121b3/?originalSubdomain=au" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Danna Yun</a>Theme Music Performed by <a href="https://www.jasperly.com.au/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Jasper Ly</a>RECORDEDRecorded on 27 August 2021

SEARCH FOR BALANCE with Jackson Harnwell

Ian Anderson Gray

Ian Anderson Gray is the founder of the Confident Live Marketing Academy and is host of the Confident Live Marketing Podcast. He helps entrepreneurs to level up their impact, authority and profits by using live video confidently. As well as being a geek, husband, and dad to two kids, Ian is also a professional singer and lives near Manchester in the UK.QUOTES“I'd get very bored very easily I was doing the same thing all the time. And it was the same thing with music, I needed to do other things.”“Writing a blog changed my life. And I had this bit of an identity crisis, because I wasn't sure “was I a musician or was I something else?” I wasn't really quite sure.”“I felt really guilty because I didn't really want to go into opera. I felt like I was somehow a second class singer, because I didn't want to do that. ““I  had a real issue with my self-esteem and with depression which I know a lot of people do. I had to go through a massive mindset shift, which has taken a long time.”“In my experience of those of top name music schools, they are not an emotionally safe place to be if you're already at risk. If you are different or you're trying to figure it out, it’s just not safe to be there.“As musicians, our job is to translate and transfer emotion to the audience. But we're never taught how to have those emotions safely and what to do with them if they're overwhelming to you.““I've realized suddenly that all of that training that I did as a musician wasn't a waste, and it was all coming together. And it was just a wonderful moment. And so it was at that point where I realized that actually Yes, live video is what I want to do. I want to teach people to do that.”“My identity as a musician doesn't have to be connected to a job.”“There are so many musicians in the creative world. When I went to Social Media Marketing World, 30 40% of the people there are musicians.”LINKSFind Ian on his website, Youtube, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, LinkedIN or his Podcast Confident Live Marketing Burnout by Amelia &amp; Emily NagowskiJunior RNCMHalle Children’s ChoirRabbi Daniel Lapin “Thou Shall Prosper”Stephen Pressfield “The War Of Art”Gay Hendricks “The Big Leap”Social Media Marketing WorldPODCAST TEAMProduction Support from Molly Jenkins Audio Engineering from Frazer RuddickTheme Music Composed by Danna YunTheme Music Performed by Jasper LyRECORDEDRecorded on 16 August 2021

Ian Anderson Gray is the founder of the Confident Live Marketing Academy and is host of the Confident Live Marketing Podcast. He helps entrepreneurs to level up their impact, authority and profits by using live video confidently. As well as being a geek, husband, and dad to two kids, Ian is also a professional singer and lives near Manchester in the UK.QUOTES“I'd get very bored very easily I was doing the same thing all the time. And it was the same thing with music, I needed to do other things.”“Writing a blog changed my life. And I had this bit of an identity crisis, because I wasn't sure “was I a musician or was I something else?” I wasn't really quite sure.”“I felt really guilty because I didn't really want to go into opera. I felt like I was somehow a second class singer, because I didn't want to do that. ““I  had a real issue with my self-esteem and with depression which I know a lot of people do. I had to go through a massive mindset shift, which has taken a long time.”“In my experience of those of top name music schools, they are not an emotionally safe place to be if you're already at risk. If you are different or you're trying to figure it out, it’s just not safe to be there.“As musicians, our job is to translate and transfer emotion to the audience. But we're never taught how to have those emotions safely and what to do with them if they're overwhelming to you.““I've realized suddenly that all of that training that I did as a musician wasn't a waste, and it was all coming together. And it was just a wonderful moment. And so it was at that point where I realized that actually Yes, live video is what I want to do. I want to teach people to do that.”“My identity as a musician doesn't have to be connected to a job.”“There are so many musicians in the creative world. When I went to Social Media Marketing World, 30 40% of the people there are musicians.”LINKS<ul><li>Find Ian on his <a href="https://iag.me/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">website</a>, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/ianandersongray" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Youtube</a>, <a href="https://www.facebook.com/iagdotme/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Facebook</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/iagdotme?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Twitter</a>, <a href="https://www.instagram.com/iagdotme/?hl=en" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Instagram, </a><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ianandersongray/?originalSubdomain=uk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">LinkedIN </a>or his Podcast <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/confident-live-marketing-show/id1464698882" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Confident Live Marketing </a></li><li><a href="https://www.burnoutbook.net/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Burnout </a>by Amelia &amp; Emily Nagowski</li><li><a href="https://www.rncm.ac.uk/study-here/junior-rncm/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Junior RNCM</a></li><li><a href="https://www.halle.co.uk/halle-childrens-choir/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Halle Children’s Choir</a></li><li><a href="https://rabbidaniellapin.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Rabbi Daniel Lapin</a> <a href="https://rabbidaniellapin.com/product/thou-shall-prosper-hardcover-book/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">“Thou Shall Prosper”</a></li><li>Stephen Pressfield <a href="https://stevenpressfield.com/books/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">“The War Of Art”</a></li><li>Gay Hendricks <a href="https://www.amazon.com/The-Big-Leap-Gay-Hendricks-audiobook/dp/B00282MRQI/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&amp;keywords=gay+hendricks&amp;qid=1633307099&amp;sr=8-2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">“The Big Leap”</a></li><li><a href="https://www.socialmediaexaminer.com/smmworld/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Social Media Marketing World</a></li></ul>PODCAST TEAMProduction Support from Molly Jenkins Audio Engineering from <a href="http://www.frazerruddick.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Frazer Ruddick</a>Theme Music Composed by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/danna-yun-1499121b3/?originalSubdomain=au" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Danna Yun</a>Theme Music Performed by <a href="https://www.jasperly.com.au/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Jasper Ly</a>RECORDEDRecorded on 16 August 2021

DEALING WITH FEELINGS with Ian Anderson Gray

Joshua Dema is Melbourne based Cellist and Digital Designer. By day he is a Digital Accessibility Consultant for a company called Intopia. By night he is a Cellist who can be heard playing music from Pachelbel to Piatti to Panic at the Disco and everything in between.QUOTES“I  had this idea in mind of finding a backup career, but it needed to be something I was passionate about.”“The more auditions I took, the more I kept failing them. I enjoying it less and less… I was so locked into this mindset of if I didn’t achieve this goal (orchestral job) I was failing everybody.”“I started noticing the performances I liked were the ones where I was making decisions about the process.”“I came across a thing called UX design. It involves empathy for users, practicality of the product and usability of design. That really fit my mentality.”“Everyone I talked to from a non-music background was fascinated by trained musicians. It’s a really good talking point in job interviews.”“I’ve come to realise that creativity is everywhere. Just because there’s not a performance doesn’t mean there’s not creativity”“The outcome (of a job application) is not telling me how good I am at what I do.”“When I do pick up my cello, it’s because I want to play it, not because I have to practice.”“The more I removed money from music, the more I enjoyed it.”LINKSFind Joshua on his website, Youtube channel or JUO Facebook pageZoe Knighton and Flinders QuartetMaking Music Work researchIMAGE CREDITJacinta KeefePODCAST TEAMProduction Support from Molly Jenkins Audio Engineering from Frazer RuddickTheme Music Composed by Danna YunTheme Music Performed by Jasper LyRECORDEDRecorded on 23 August 2021

Joshua Dema is Melbourne based Cellist and Digital Designer. By day he is a Digital Accessibility Consultant for a company called Intopia. By night he is a Cellist who can be heard playing music from Pachelbel to Piatti to Panic at the Disco and everything in between.QUOTES“I  had this idea in mind of finding a backup career, but it needed to be something I was passionate about.”“The more auditions I took, the more I kept failing them. I enjoying it less and less… I was so locked into this mindset of if I didn’t achieve this goal (orchestral job) I was failing everybody.”“I started noticing the performances I liked were the ones where I was making decisions about the process.”“I came across a thing called UX design. It involves empathy for users, practicality of the product and usability of design. That really fit my mentality.”“Everyone I talked to from a non-music background was fascinated by trained musicians. It’s a really good talking point in job interviews.”“I’ve come to realise that creativity is everywhere. Just because there’s not a performance doesn’t mean there’s not creativity”“The outcome (of a job application) is not telling me how good I am at what I do.”“When I do pick up my cello, it’s because I want to play it, not because I have to practice.”“The more I removed money from music, the more I enjoyed it.”LINKS<ul><li>Find Joshua on his <a href="https://www.joshuadema.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">website, </a><a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8zdJbbAkSpIdNw8ds_oQ_g" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Youtube channel</a> or <a href="https://www.facebook.com/JUOcellopiano/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">JUO Facebook </a>page</li><li><a href="http://www.flindersquartet.com/2021" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Zoe Knighton</a> and <a href="http://www.flindersquartet.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Flinders Quartet</a></li><li><a href="https://makingmusicwork.com.au/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Making Music Work </a>research</li></ul>IMAGE CREDITJacinta KeefePODCAST TEAMProduction Support from Molly Jenkins Audio Engineering from <a href="http://www.frazerruddick.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Frazer Ruddick</a>Theme Music Composed by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/danna-yun-1499121b3/?originalSubdomain=au" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Danna Yun</a>Theme Music Performed by <a href="https://www.jasperly.com.au/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Jasper Ly</a>RECORDEDRecorded on 23 August 2021

DESIGNING WITH EMPATHY with Joshua Dema

Incredible conversations with classical musicians about feelings (YES!), finding their value and career transitions. Meet professional classical musicians now thriving as entrepreneurs, master craftsmen, counsellors, personal trainers, software developers, lawyers and more more. We need to NORMALISE the reality of underemployment, unemployment, career pivots and exits for classical musicians. Are you with me?Think classical musicians only make music?Think again.#changeyourtune

Kate studied music at Manchester University. Whilst at uni she took a part-time job at The Bridgewater Hall, a concert hall in Manchester. There, she fell in love with ticketing, data and technology and is now Strategy Director at Supercool, a digital design agency working in the cultural sector.QUOTESI have an overview of a lot of different aspects of the business which is what I find really interesting. I see that big picture, where the problems are and join dots. I worked at a concert hall in Manchester, it was really interesting to see what audiences were really interested in, what they were passionate about going to.It was always really exciting to have my pieces performed. But the only people that were really in the room were the friends that I dragged along and other composers. So when you study classical music, there is this sense that there is high art, there's proper music. And then you have the less good music and I started to question that a bit.After working in ticketing, I geeked out about the technology and ended up at a tech company called Spectrix that build ticketing platform for the art sector. And I really loved it there. When I got to university it was a very different environment, there was a lot of pressure. Having grown up in North Wales, there were loads of orchestras. I took part in the small local orchestra, then the regional orchestra and then the National Youth Orchestra of Wales. And I played the double bass and sometimes in those situations, people are just happy for you to turn up because there aren't many double Bassists so they were just happy that I had an instrument and could turn up and play some of the notes.  But at university, there was a different level of pressure that was on me. I've never loved practicing on my own. When I was at university, that's one of the things that made me realize I'm probably never going to be cut out to be an actual full time professional musician, because spending many hours sat in a room on my own all day is not my idea of fun. I really like being around people. The thing I loved about composing was that you could come up with an idea for something and you could create it from scratch yourself. And I still like doing that, and that relates to the bigger picture problem solving.  You have an idea of what you want to convey and what is the best way to do that. I definitely built up my tech savviness whilst I was at uni, doing electro acoustic and recording. That definitely helped because I was using computers and complex programs at the time. I don't think anybody who is learning music when they're young, and goes to study a music degree says “actually what I want is to work in ticketing”. But it's a fascinating sector.In my current role, probably the most exciting bit is when you meet an organization for the first time and you stop and think about what their new website is going to be. Creating a website is like composing, it’s like when you have that really awkward rehearsal with the musicians where they tell you all the things you've written that aren't possible on their instrument because you read it's possible somewhere. They’re not superhumans.I think one of the biggest things is listening. I think that I noticed this when I was doing improvisation. Really good improvisers know that they don't have to make sound all the time, it's okay just to listen. I think those improvisation skills have just been incredibly valuable going forward, especially when dealing with other people in workshop situations and discovery situations, or meetings in general. With people being able to realize that it's okay to just listen, and not always having to contribute something. There's lots of other things as well, things like being able to see patterns and see what's going on in a bigger picture. I was thinking recently about how when you're learning a piece for the first time, you're constantly shifting between the kind of very small micro moments and the bigger picture of the piece that you're learning.I might spend an hour of my morning testing one tiny little feature on a website. Understanding how that feature applies to the larger customer journey, how it will improve the end customer and the client in terms of how they communicate with their customers, makes that one hour worthwhile. Even if I'm just frustratingly changing a button for one hour.Being able to do things like public speaking, being able to walk into a room full of strangers, being able to go to a conference and walk up to somebody and have a chat. That is incredibly hard for a lot of people. Whereas I was sent off to orchestra rehearsals, and it was a whole different social network.Community music is a great place to learn it's, a great place to experiment, to learn in a way that you might not have the freedom to do in an organization where there's a little bit more scrutiny on what you post on Twitter and things like that.LINKSFind Kate on LinkedIN and TwitterSpektrixBridgewater HallSupercool DesignThe Noise UpstairsPODCAST TEAMProduction Support from Molly Jenkins Audio Engineering from Frazer RuddickTheme Music Composed by Danna YunTheme Music Performed by Jasper LyRECORDEDRecorded on 15 August 2021

Kate studied music at Manchester University. Whilst at uni she took a part-time job at The Bridgewater Hall, a concert hall in Manchester. There, she fell in love with ticketing, data and technology and is now Strategy Director at Supercool, a digital design agency working in the cultural sector.QUOTES<ul><li>I have an overview of a lot of different aspects of the business which is what I find really interesting. I see that big picture, where the problems are and join dots. </li><li>I worked at a concert hall in Manchester, it was really interesting to see what audiences were really interested in, what they were passionate about going to.</li><li>It was always really exciting to have my pieces performed. But the only people that were really in the room were the friends that I dragged along and other composers. </li><li>So when you study classical music, there is this sense that there is high art, there's proper music. And then you have the less good music and I started to question that a bit.</li><li>After working in ticketing, I geeked out about the technology and ended up at a tech company called Spectrix that build ticketing platform for the art sector. And I really loved it there. </li><li>When I got to university it was a very different environment, there was a lot of pressure. Having grown up in North Wales, there were loads of orchestras. I took part in the small local orchestra, then the regional orchestra and then the National Youth Orchestra of Wales. And I played the double bass and sometimes in those situations, people are just happy for you to turn up because there aren't many double Bassists so they were just happy that I had an instrument and could turn up and play some of the notes.  But at university, there was a different level of pressure that was on me. </li><li>I've never loved practicing on my own. When I was at university, that's one of the things that made me realize I'm probably never going to be cut out to be an actual full time professional musician, because spending many hours sat in a room on my own all day is not my idea of fun. I really like being around people. </li><li>The thing I loved about composing was that you could come up with an idea for something and you could create it from scratch yourself. And I still like doing that, and that relates to the bigger picture problem solving.  You have an idea of what you want to convey and what is the best way to do that. </li><li>I definitely built up my tech savviness whilst I was at uni, doing electro acoustic and recording. That definitely helped because I was using computers and complex programs at the time. </li><li>I don't think anybody who is learning music when they're young, and goes to study a music degree says “actually what I want is to work in ticketing”. But it's a fascinating sector.</li><li>In my current role, probably the most exciting bit is when you meet an organization for the first time and you stop and think about what their new website is going to be. </li><li>Creating a website is like composing, it’s like when you have that really awkward rehearsal with the musicians where they tell you all the things you've written that aren't possible on their instrument because you read it's possible somewhere. They’re not superhumans.</li><li>I think one of the biggest things is listening. I think that I noticed this when I was doing improvisation. Really good improvisers know that they don't have to make sound all the time, it's okay just to listen. </li><li>I think those improvisation skills have just been incredibly valuable going forward, especially when dealing with other people in workshop situations and discovery situations, or meetings in general. With people being able to realize that it's okay to just listen, and not always having to contribute something. </li><li>There's lots of other things as well, things like being able to see patterns and see what's going on in a bigger picture. I was thinking recently about how when you're learning a piece for the first time, you're constantly shifting between the kind of very small micro moments and the bigger picture of the piece that you're learning.</li><li>I might spend an hour of my morning testing one tiny little feature on a website. Understanding how that feature applies to the larger customer journey, how it will improve the end customer and the client in terms of how they communicate with their customers, makes that one hour worthwhile. Even if I'm just frustratingly changing a button for one hour.</li><li>Being able to do things like public speaking, being able to walk into a room full of strangers, being able to go to a conference and walk up to somebody and have a chat. That is incredibly hard for a lot of people. Whereas I was sent off to orchestra rehearsals, and it was a whole different social network.</li><li>Community music is a great place to learn it's, a great place to experiment, to learn in a way that you might not have the freedom to do in an organization where there's a little bit more scrutiny on what you post on Twitter and things like that.</li></ul>LINKS<ul><li>Find Kate on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/katefindlay/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">LinkedIN </a>and <a href="https://twitter.com/katemroczkowski?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://www.spektrix.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spektrix</a></li><li><a href="https://www.bridgewater-hall.co.uk/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Bridgewater Hall</a></li><li><a href="https://www.supercooldesign.co.uk/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Supercool Design</a></li><li><a href="https://www.thenoiseupstairs.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Noise Upstairs</a></li></ul>PODCAST TEAMProduction Support from Molly Jenkins Audio Engineering from <a href="http://www.frazerruddick.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Frazer Ruddick</a>Theme Music Composed by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/danna-yun-1499121b3/?originalSubdomain=au" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Danna Yun</a>Theme Music Performed by <a href="https://www.jasperly.com.au/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Jasper Ly</a>RECORDEDRecorded on 15 August 2021

LISTEN WELL with Kate Mrochkovski

Sarah Nisbett

A former opera singer and self-taught live illustrator, Sarah Nisbett loves to draw the people, places and things she encounters “on the way.” Her Drawn On The Way project is helping people find the extraordinary in the everyday and to see themselves and others as works of art. Read the transcript.QUOTES“I learned how to draw on the New York subway. It was a strange kind of art school.”“I was curious about people. Who is this person? And that was an experience I liked.”“I had a realisation “what if there was no more work or gigs?” I realised that being successful meant travelling a lot and there’s a toll on your mental health. I didn’t know if that was my future.”“The more successful I was in opera, the high wire got thinner and taller and I thought I don’t know if this (opera) is more important than everything else in life.”“I was always interested in advertising, in the words, pictures and storytelling. I realised I do that as a performer.”“What are the things in myself I would like to get paid for?”“Today I am “playing” the role of competent office worker.”“Your creativity and music is always a part of you, you just need to find a way to let it out.”“Drawing in stolen moments was my oasis.”“I started sharing my work online, to tell a story and to help people have a beautiful experience.”LINKSFind Sarah on her website, Instagram, LinkedIN and FacebookSarah's new book "Drawn On The Way" available nowIMAGE CREDITEian KantorPODCAST TEAMProduction Support from Molly Jenkins Audio Engineering from Frazer RuddickTheme Music Composed by Danna YunTheme Music Performed by Jasper LyRECORDEDRecorded on 16 August 2021

A former opera singer and self-taught live illustrator, Sarah Nisbett loves to draw the people, places and things she encounters “on the way.” Her Drawn On The Way project is helping people find the extraordinary in the everyday and to see themselves and others as works of art. Read the transcript.QUOTES“I learned how to draw on the New York subway. It was a strange kind of art school.”“I was curious about people. Who is this person? And that was an experience I liked.”“I had a realisation “what if there was no more work or gigs?” I realised that being successful meant travelling a lot and there’s a toll on your mental health. I didn’t know if that was my future.”“The more successful I was in opera, the high wire got thinner and taller and I thought I don’t know if this (opera) is more important than everything else in life.”“I was always interested in advertising, in the words, pictures and storytelling. I realised I do that as a performer.”“What are the things in myself I would like to get paid for?”“Today I am “playing” the role of competent office worker.”“Your creativity and music is always a part of you, you just need to find a way to let it out.”“Drawing in stolen moments was my oasis.”“I started sharing my work online, to tell a story and to help people have a beautiful experience.”LINKS<ul><li>Find Sarah on her <a href="https://www.drawnontheway.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">website</a>, <a href="https://www.instagram.com/drawnontheway/?hl=en" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Instagram</a>, <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarah-nisbett/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">LinkedIN </a>and <a href="https://www.facebook.com/drawnontheway/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li>Sarah's new book <a href="https://www.drawnontheway.com/the-book" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">"Drawn On The Way"</a> available now</li></ul>IMAGE CREDITEian KantorPODCAST TEAMProduction Support from Molly Jenkins Audio Engineering from <a href="http://www.frazerruddick.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Frazer Ruddick</a>Theme Music Composed by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/danna-yun-1499121b3/?originalSubdomain=au" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Danna Yun</a>Theme Music Performed by <a href="https://www.jasperly.com.au/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Jasper Ly</a>RECORDEDRecorded on 16 August 2021

DRAWN ON THE WAY with Sarah Nisbett

Ingrid Martin is a highly sought after conductor and music educator. Ingrid trained in Medicine at Monash University and worked as an emergency physician while maintaining a busy musical life as a Conductor, Horn Player and Violinist. A decision to further her conducting training meant relocating to the University of Minnesota where she completed a postgraduate degree with mentor, Craig Kirchhoff.QUOTES“Being an empathetic person is what makes a successful doctor and what also makes a successful conductor.”“ I realised that actually I’ve done this before, and I have a lot of skills in this area already which only happened because I’d done medicine. If I’d studied music, I wouldn’t have had to make all those opportunities.”“Whatever you do when you finish school, in fact whatever you do at all doesn’t actually define you.”LINKSFind Ingrid on her website, LinkedIN, or her conductor development platform Conducting ArtistryPODCAST TEAMProduction Penny ManwaringAudio Engineering from Frazer RuddickTheme Music Composed by Danna YunTheme Music Composed by Natasha PearsonTheme Music Performed by Alison McIntosh-Deszcz (soprano), Natasha Lin (piano), and Susan Eldridge (horn). Theme Music Recorded Lady Marigold Southey Performance Studio, 3MBS Fine Music in Melbourne in October 2016. With thanks to recording engineer Cheryl Scott.FIRST BROADCAST11 January 2017

Ingrid Martin is a highly sought after conductor and music educator. Ingrid trained in Medicine at Monash University and worked as an emergency physician while maintaining a busy musical life as a Conductor, Horn Player and Violinist. A decision to further her conducting training meant relocating to the University of Minnesota where she completed a postgraduate degree with mentor, Craig Kirchhoff.QUOTES“Being an empathetic person is what makes a successful doctor and what also makes a successful conductor.”“ I realised that actually I’ve done this before, and I have a lot of skills in this area already which only happened because I’d done medicine. If I’d studied music, I wouldn’t have had to make all those opportunities.” “Whatever you do when you finish school, in fact whatever you do at all doesn’t actually define you.”LINKS<ul><li>Find Ingrid on her <a href="http://www.ingridmartin.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">website, </a><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ingrid-martin-a6558299/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">LinkedIN</a>, or her conductor development platform <a href="https://www.conductingartistry.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Conducting Artistry</a></li></ul>PODCAST TEAMProduction Penny ManwaringAudio Engineering from <a href="http://www.frazerruddick.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Frazer Ruddick</a>Theme Music Composed by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/danna-yun-1499121b3/?originalSubdomain=au" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Danna Yun</a>Theme Music Composed by <a href="https://www.natashapearson.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Natasha Pearson</a>Theme Music Performed by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/alison-mcintosh-deszcz-6692b1b0/?originalSubdomain=au" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Alison McIntosh-Deszcz</a> (soprano), <a href="https://www.aksunapianist.com/about" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Natasha Lin</a> (piano), and <a href="http://www.notablevalues.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Susan Eldridge</a> (horn). Theme Music Recorded Lady Marigold Southey Performance Studio, <a href="https://3mbs.org.au/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">3MBS </a>Fine Music in Melbourne in October 2016. With thanks to recording engineer Cheryl Scott.FIRST BROADCAST11 January 2017

EMPATHETIC LEADERSHIP with Ingrid Martin

Joel Carnegie

Joel Carnegie is an award winning broadcaster, documentary maker, performer and founder of the international media production house The Space Company. Joel pursued a Performance Degree on Horn from the University of Melbourne and Die Universität für Musik und darstellende Austria, and post graduate study in Communications and Media at RMIT before building his unique career as an entrepreneur, storyteller, performer and musician.QUOTES“There was one track for me, that was finishing Year 12, heading off to the Conservatorium and sailing off into the sunset to become an orchestral musician. That was really what I thought life was going to be like.”“Music needs to speak something of today or needs to connect with someone about something of today. Great music does that and music that doesn’t, perhaps shouldn’t be played.”“There is life beyond music, there is life beyond study and there is life beyond Mozart.”LINKSFind Joel on his website or LinkedIN, PODCAST TEAMProduction Penny ManwaringAudio Engineering from Frazer RuddickTheme Music Composed by Danna YunTheme Music Composed by Natasha PearsonTheme Music Performed by Alison McIntosh-Deszcz (soprano), Natasha Lin (piano), and Susan Eldridge (horn). Theme Music Recorded Lady Marigold Southey Performance Studio, 3MBS Fine Music in Melbourne in October 2016. With thanks to recording engineer Cheryl Scott.FIRST BROADCAST05 January 2017

Joel Carnegie is an award winning broadcaster, documentary maker, performer and founder of the international media production house The Space Company. Joel pursued a Performance Degree on Horn from the University of Melbourne and Die Universität für Musik und darstellende Austria, and post graduate study in Communications and Media at RMIT before building his unique career as an entrepreneur, storyteller, performer and musician.QUOTES“There was one track for me, that was finishing Year 12, heading off to the Conservatorium and sailing off into the sunset to become an orchestral musician. That was really what I thought life was going to be like.”“Music needs to speak something of today or needs to connect with someone about something of today. Great music does that and music that doesn’t, perhaps shouldn’t be played.”“There is life beyond music, there is life beyond study and there is life beyond Mozart.”LINKS<ul><li>Find Joel on his <a href="https://www.joelcarnegie.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">website</a> or <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/joelcarnegie/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">LinkedIN</a>, </li></ul>PODCAST TEAMProduction Penny ManwaringAudio Engineering from <a href="http://www.frazerruddick.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Frazer Ruddick</a>Theme Music Composed by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/danna-yun-1499121b3/?originalSubdomain=au" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Danna Yun</a>Theme Music Composed by <a href="https://www.natashapearson.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Natasha Pearson</a>Theme Music Performed by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/alison-mcintosh-deszcz-6692b1b0/?originalSubdomain=au" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Alison McIntosh-Deszcz</a> (soprano), <a href="https://www.aksunapianist.com/about" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Natasha Lin</a> (piano), and <a href="http://www.notablevalues.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Susan Eldridge</a> (horn). Theme Music Recorded Lady Marigold Southey Performance Studio, <a href="https://3mbs.org.au/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">3MBS </a>Fine Music in Melbourne in October 2016. With thanks to recording engineer Cheryl Scott.FIRST BROADCAST05 January 2017

CENTRED IN SOUND with Joel Carnegie

Jennika Anthony-Shaw is a Barrister who held the position of Project Manager and Commercial Group Proceedings Coordinator for the Supreme Court of Victoria. Jennika has performance degrees from McGill University and the Manhattan School of Music and built a successful freelance career as a global trotting Cellist before embarking upon the path that would lead her to the lawQUOTES“I started out in New York where everyone is really good. There’s 3 or 4 top music schools in the city and you do have to compete for work or create your own work.”“I didn’t want to let myself down. I felt there was a lot of expectation to keep succeeding, keep playing music and to somehow manage to progress my career beyond where it was.”As musicians we like to think we can work anywhere, it is odd to think sometimes you’re prevented from doing that.”LINKSFind Jennika on LinkedINPODCAST TEAMProduction Penny ManwaringAudio Engineering from Frazer RuddickTheme Music Composed by Danna YunTheme Music Composed by Natasha PearsonTheme Music Performed by Alison McIntosh-Deszcz (soprano), Natasha Lin (piano), and Susan Eldridge (horn). Theme Music Recorded Lady Marigold Southey Performance Studio, 3MBS Fine Music in Melbourne in October 2016. With thanks to recording engineer Cheryl Scott.FIRST BROADCAST27 December 2016

Jennika Anthony-Shaw is a Barrister who held the position of Project Manager and Commercial Group Proceedings Coordinator for the Supreme Court of Victoria. Jennika has performance degrees from McGill University and the Manhattan School of Music and built a successful freelance career as a global trotting Cellist before embarking upon the path that would lead her to the lawQUOTES“I started out in New York where everyone is really good. There’s 3 or 4 top music schools in the city and you do have to compete for work or create your own work.”“I didn’t want to let myself down. I felt there was a lot of expectation to keep succeeding, keep playing music and to somehow manage to progress my career beyond where it was.”As musicians we like to think we can work anywhere, it is odd to think sometimes you’re prevented from doing that.”LINKS<ul><li>Find Jennika on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jennika-anthony-shaw-565aaa9a/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">LinkedIN</a></li></ul>PODCAST TEAMProduction Penny ManwaringAudio Engineering from <a href="http://www.frazerruddick.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Frazer Ruddick</a>Theme Music Composed by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/danna-yun-1499121b3/?originalSubdomain=au" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Danna Yun</a>Theme Music Composed by <a href="https://www.natashapearson.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Natasha Pearson</a>Theme Music Performed by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/alison-mcintosh-deszcz-6692b1b0/?originalSubdomain=au" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Alison McIntosh-Deszcz</a> (soprano), <a href="https://www.aksunapianist.com/about" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Natasha Lin</a> (piano), and <a href="http://www.notablevalues.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Susan Eldridge</a> (horn). Theme Music Recorded Lady Marigold Southey Performance Studio, <a href="https://3mbs.org.au/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">3MBS </a>Fine Music in Melbourne in October 2016. With thanks to recording engineer Cheryl Scott.FIRST BROADCAST27 December 2016

STAYING CHALLENGED with Jennika Anthony-Shaw

Katherine Norman is the Senior Account Manager, Presenter Services at Arts Centre Melbourne and is responsible for the logistics of over 3,000 events across their 6 venues each year. Katherine pursued degrees in Biochemistry and Music before embarking on a career in venue management which saw her work as Usher Manager at the Royal Opera House in Convent Garden before returning to Melbourne.QUOTES“My main and first degree was a Bachelor of Science majoring in Biochemistry. I’d resisted the temptation to study music from about the age of 15. When I was about 20 I just had to bow to it.”“I’ve been fortunate to work with virtually every major performing arts company, certainly that's been through Melbourne and across Australiawhich is an amazing opportunity.”“My music degree, and my science degree, but particularly my music degree has been such an amazing foundation in being willing to try new things.”LINKSFind Katherine on LinkedINConsort of MelbournePODCAST TEAMProduction Penny ManwaringAudio Engineering from Frazer RuddickTheme Music Composed by Danna YunTheme Music Composed by Natasha PearsonTheme Music Performed by Alison McIntosh-Deszcz (soprano), Natasha Lin (piano), and Susan Eldridge (horn). Theme Music Recorded Lady Marigold Southey Performance Studio, 3MBS Fine Music in Melbourne in October 2016. With thanks to recording engineer Cheryl Scott.FIRST BROADCAST20 December 2016

Katherine Norman is the Senior Account Manager, Presenter Services at Arts Centre Melbourne and is responsible for the logistics of over 3,000 events across their 6 venues each year. Katherine pursued degrees in Biochemistry and Music before embarking on a career in venue management which saw her work as Usher Manager at the Royal Opera House in Convent Garden before returning to Melbourne.QUOTES“My main and first degree was a Bachelor of Science majoring in Biochemistry. I’d resisted the temptation to study music from about the age of 15. When I was about 20 I just had to bow to it.”“I’ve been fortunate to work with virtually every major performing arts company, certainly that's been through Melbourne and across Australiawhich is an amazing opportunity.”“My music degree, and my science degree, but particularly my music degree has been such an amazing foundation in being willing to try new things.”LINKS<ul><li>Find Katherine on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/katherine-norman-a538a423/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">LinkedIN</a></li><li><a href="https://www.theconsortofmelbourne.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Consort of Melbourne</a></li></ul>PODCAST TEAMProduction Penny ManwaringAudio Engineering from <a href="http://www.frazerruddick.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Frazer Ruddick</a>Theme Music Composed by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/danna-yun-1499121b3/?originalSubdomain=au" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Danna Yun</a>Theme Music Composed by <a href="https://www.natashapearson.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Natasha Pearson</a>Theme Music Performed by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/alison-mcintosh-deszcz-6692b1b0/?originalSubdomain=au" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Alison McIntosh-Deszcz</a> (soprano), <a href="https://www.aksunapianist.com/about" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Natasha Lin</a> (piano), and <a href="http://www.notablevalues.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Susan Eldridge</a> (horn). Theme Music Recorded Lady Marigold Southey Performance Studio, <a href="https://3mbs.org.au/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">3MBS </a>Fine Music in Melbourne in October 2016. With thanks to recording engineer Cheryl Scott.FIRST BROADCAST20 December 2016

ANALYSIS AND PERFORMANCE with Katherine Norman

Dave Melgaard leads a team of testing experts at Idea Science to find optimum solutions for clients and strengthen testing capabilities. Before that, he studied Trumpet at the VCA, Melbourne University and the Royal College of Music in London. He held the position of Trumpet Master with the Slovenian National Opera and Ballet Orchestra before returning to Australia to build a new career in business.QUOTES“So many of the skills you learn in music are so useful in business.” “In sales, you can sell a big job or something important and this feeds 4 or 5 or 30 people for the next year. I find meaning in that. It’s not just about me playing the trumpet.”“Now I work in IT and fundamentally, running a band isn’t that dissimilar from running an IT shop.”“As much as you love Puccini, once you’ve played it 400 times it becomes a bit tedious.”LINKSFind Dave on LinkedINIdea Science“A software testing symphony” articlePODCAST TEAMProduction Penny ManwaringAudio Engineering from Frazer RuddickTheme Music Composed by Danna YunTheme Music Composed by Natasha PearsonTheme Music Performed by Alison McIntosh-Deszcz (soprano), Natasha Lin (piano), and Susan Eldridge (horn). Theme Music Recorded Lady Marigold Southey Performance Studio, 3MBS Fine Music in Melbourne in October 2016. With thanks to recording engineer Cheryl Scott.FIRST BROADCAST16 December 2016

Dave Melgaard leads a team of testing experts at Idea Science to find optimum solutions for clients and strengthen testing capabilities. Before that, he studied Trumpet at the VCA, Melbourne University and the Royal College of Music in London. He held the position of Trumpet Master with the Slovenian National Opera and Ballet Orchestra before returning to Australia to build a new career in business.QUOTES“So many of the skills you learn in music are so useful in business.” “In sales, you can sell a big job or something important and this feeds 4 or 5 or 30 people for the next year. I find meaning in that. It’s not just about me playing the trumpet.”“Now I work in IT and fundamentally, running a band isn’t that dissimilar from running an IT shop.”“As much as you love Puccini, once you’ve played it 400 times it becomes a bit tedious.”LINKS<ul><li>Find Dave on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/davemelgaard/?originalSubdomain=au" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">LinkedIN</a></li><li><a href="https://www.ideascience.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Idea Science</a></li><li><a href="https://www.ideascience.com/a-software-testing-symphony/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">“A software testing symphony” </a>article</li></ul>PODCAST TEAMProduction Penny ManwaringAudio Engineering from <a href="http://www.frazerruddick.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Frazer Ruddick</a>Theme Music Composed by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/danna-yun-1499121b3/?originalSubdomain=au" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Danna Yun</a>Theme Music Composed by <a href="https://www.natashapearson.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Natasha Pearson</a>Theme Music Performed by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/alison-mcintosh-deszcz-6692b1b0/?originalSubdomain=au" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Alison McIntosh-Deszcz</a> (soprano), <a href="https://www.aksunapianist.com/about" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Natasha Lin</a> (piano), and <a href="http://www.notablevalues.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Susan Eldridge</a> (horn). Theme Music Recorded Lady Marigold Southey Performance Studio, <a href="https://3mbs.org.au/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">3MBS </a>Fine Music in Melbourne in October 2016. With thanks to recording engineer Cheryl Scott.FIRST BROADCAST16 December 2016

MEANS AND MEANING with Dave Melgaard

Tony Prochazka pursued a non-conformist training in both medicine and music. He interrupted his medical career to study Jazz Guitar at the VCA, having played Cello with the Australian Youth Orchestra during his schooling. He studied Classical Cello in Germany and London before building a successful career in cosmetic surgery.QUOTES“By the end of it I was just sold on music and that was really my awakening I guess at just how fantastic it could be.”“I just remember we had some conversations, my parents and I. I said I would like to be a musician, they said it’s a hard life there’s no guarantees.” “The idea of the arc of a musical phrase is very similar to the idea of the construction of the face, or the balance of the face.”LINKSFind Tony on LinkedIN, Instagram, Corpus MedicorumPODCAST TEAMProduction Penny ManwaringAudio Engineering from Frazer RuddickTheme Music Composed by Danna YunTheme Music Composed by Natasha PearsonTheme Music Performed by Alison McIntosh-Deszcz (soprano), Natasha Lin (piano), and Susan Eldridge (horn). Theme Music Recorded Lady Marigold Southey Performance Studio, 3MBS Fine Music in Melbourne in October 2016. With thanks to recording engineer Cheryl Scott.FIRST BROADCAST06 December 2016

Tony Prochazka pursued a non-conformist training in both medicine and music. He interrupted his medical career to study Jazz Guitar at the VCA, having played Cello with the Australian Youth Orchestra during his schooling. He studied Classical Cello in Germany and London before building a successful career in cosmetic surgery.QUOTES“By the end of it I was just sold on music and that was really my awakening I guess at just how fantastic it could be.”“I just remember we had some conversations, my parents and I. I said I would like to be a musician, they said it’s a hard life there’s no guarantees.” “The idea of the arc of a musical phrase is very similar to the idea of the construction of the face, or the balance of the face.”LINKS<ul><li>Find Tony on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/tony-prochazka-9bbb8416/?originalSubdomain=au" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">LinkedIN</a>, <a href="https://www.instagram.com/drtonyprochazka/?hl=en" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Instagram</a>, </li><li><a href="https://www.corpusmedicorum.org.au/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Corpus Medicorum</a></li></ul>PODCAST TEAMProduction Penny ManwaringAudio Engineering from <a href="http://www.frazerruddick.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Frazer Ruddick</a>Theme Music Composed by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/danna-yun-1499121b3/?originalSubdomain=au" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Danna Yun</a>Theme Music Composed by <a href="https://www.natashapearson.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Natasha Pearson</a>Theme Music Performed by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/alison-mcintosh-deszcz-6692b1b0/?originalSubdomain=au" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Alison McIntosh-Deszcz</a> (soprano), <a href="https://www.aksunapianist.com/about" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Natasha Lin</a> (piano), and <a href="http://www.notablevalues.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Susan Eldridge</a> (horn). Theme Music Recorded Lady Marigold Southey Performance Studio, <a href="https://3mbs.org.au/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">3MBS </a>Fine Music in Melbourne in October 2016. With thanks to recording engineer Cheryl Scott.FIRST BROADCAST06 December 2016

CONCERTS ARE HARDER THAN SURGERY with Tony Prochazka

Tony Gray

Tony Gray lives and works in remote Numbulwar, where he is Managing Director and Pilot at AiRemote. Tony designs and delivers development programs in Arnhem Land and Indonesia. Prior to his life as a social entrepreneur, Tony was a professional musician in Melbourne and holds a Bachelor of Music (Improvisation) on Double Bass from the VCA.QUOTESThis relates back to music as well, you have to do anything you can to keep you going so you can focus on the one thing and that’s developing jobs and employment opportunities in remote communities.”“I’ve got a degree in improvisation. I’ve got a degree in making things up. In the end, that’s basically life in business. You just make stuff up all the time so you can get enough revenue to keep going.”“It was just an impossible mission, but I took it on and went non-stop sleeping in my car along the way and travelling at night and really early mornings just to get it done.”LINKSFind Tony on LinkedINBapa Gajah Record LabelPODCAST TEAMProduction Penny ManwaringAudio Engineering from Frazer RuddickTheme Music Composed by Danna YunTheme Music Composed by Natasha PearsonTheme Music Performed by Alison McIntosh-Deszcz (soprano), Natasha Lin (piano), and Susan Eldridge (horn). Theme Music Recorded Lady Marigold Southey Performance Studio, 3MBS Fine Music in Melbourne in October 2016. With thanks to recording engineer Cheryl Scott.FIRST BROADCAST30 November 2016

Tony Gray lives and works in remote Numbulwar, where he is Managing Director and Pilot at AiRemote. Tony designs and delivers development programs in Arnhem Land and Indonesia. Prior to his life as a social entrepreneur, Tony was a professional musician in Melbourne and holds a Bachelor of Music (Improvisation) on Double Bass from the VCA.QUOTESThis relates back to music as well, you have to do anything you can to keep you going so you can focus on the one thing and that’s developing jobs and employment opportunities in remote communities.”“I’ve got a degree in improvisation. I’ve got a degree in making things up. In the end, that’s basically life in business. You just make stuff up all the time so you can get enough revenue to keep going.”“It was just an impossible mission, but I took it on and went non-stop sleeping in my car along the way and travelling at night and really early mornings just to get it done.”LINKS<ul><li>Find Tony on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/anthony-gray-525b803b/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">LinkedIN</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/bapagajah/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Bapa Gajah </a>Record Label</li></ul>PODCAST TEAMProduction Penny ManwaringAudio Engineering from <a href="http://www.frazerruddick.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Frazer Ruddick</a>Theme Music Composed by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/danna-yun-1499121b3/?originalSubdomain=au" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Danna Yun</a>Theme Music Composed by <a href="https://www.natashapearson.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Natasha Pearson</a>Theme Music Performed by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/alison-mcintosh-deszcz-6692b1b0/?originalSubdomain=au" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Alison McIntosh-Deszcz</a> (soprano), <a href="https://www.aksunapianist.com/about" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Natasha Lin</a> (piano), and <a href="http://www.notablevalues.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Susan Eldridge</a> (horn). Theme Music Recorded Lady Marigold Southey Performance Studio, <a href="https://3mbs.org.au/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">3MBS </a>Fine Music in Melbourne in October 2016. With thanks to recording engineer Cheryl Scott.FIRST BROADCAST30 November 2016

UPLIFT OTHERS with Tony Gray

John Daley

As former CEO of the Grattan Institute, John Daley is one of Australia’s leading public policy thinkers. John graduated from the University of Oxford in 1999 with a DPhil in public law after completing an LLB (Hons) and a BSc from the University of Melbourne in 1990. He has 20 years’ experience spanning policy, academic, government and corporate roles.QUOTES“It teaches you successful compromise, in which everyone gets most of what they want. The whole is indeed greater than the sum of the parts. But everyone probably hasn’t got everything they wanted.” “It’s certainly training for leadership and certainly for policy and politics.”“Obviously it’s something I listen to all the time, it’s not just everyday but it’s most of the time. When you’ve spent that much of your life playing and listening to music it’s never not there.”LINKSFind John on LinkedINGrattan InsitutePODCAST TEAMProduction Penny ManwaringAudio Engineering from Frazer RuddickTheme Music Composed by Danna YunTheme Music Composed by Natasha PearsonTheme Music Performed by Alison McIntosh-Deszcz (soprano), Natasha Lin (piano), and Susan Eldridge (horn). Theme Music Recorded Lady Marigold Southey Performance Studio, 3MBS Fine Music in Melbourne in October 2016. With thanks to recording engineer Cheryl Scott.FIRST BROADCAST22 November 2016

As former CEO of the Grattan Institute, John Daley is one of Australia’s leading public policy thinkers. John graduated from the University of Oxford in 1999 with a DPhil in public law after completing an LLB (Hons) and a BSc from the University of Melbourne in 1990. He has 20 years’ experience spanning policy, academic, government and corporate roles.QUOTES“It teaches you successful compromise, in which everyone gets most of what they want. The whole is indeed greater than the sum of the parts. But everyone probably hasn’t got everything they wanted.” “It’s certainly training for leadership and certainly for policy and politics.”“Obviously it’s something I listen to all the time, it’s not just everyday but it’s most of the time. When you’ve spent that much of your life playing and listening to music it’s never not there.”LINKS<ul><li>Find John on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-daley-4704b215/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">LinkedIN</a></li><li><a href="https://grattan.edu.au/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Grattan Insitute</a></li></ul>PODCAST TEAMProduction Penny ManwaringAudio Engineering from <a href="http://www.frazerruddick.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Frazer Ruddick</a>Theme Music Composed by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/danna-yun-1499121b3/?originalSubdomain=au" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Danna Yun</a>Theme Music Composed by <a href="https://www.natashapearson.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Natasha Pearson</a>Theme Music Performed by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/alison-mcintosh-deszcz-6692b1b0/?originalSubdomain=au" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Alison McIntosh-Deszcz</a> (soprano), <a href="https://www.aksunapianist.com/about" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Natasha Lin</a> (piano), and <a href="http://www.notablevalues.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Susan Eldridge</a> (horn). Theme Music Recorded Lady Marigold Southey Performance Studio, <a href="https://3mbs.org.au/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">3MBS </a>Fine Music in Melbourne in October 2016. With thanks to recording engineer Cheryl Scott.FIRST BROADCAST22 November 2016

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