Evan Wickham

Evan Wickham joins Aaron Keyes on this month’s podcast! Evan is the Lead Pastor of Park Hill Church in San Diego. This episode covers a lot of ground - Evan’s journey of transitioning to a senior pastor/ church planter role after decades as a worship leader, Sabbath being the thing that changed everything for the Wickham family, and how where you sit determines what you see. The conversation closes with a vulnerable, honest question of whether Jesus experienced fear, guilt, and shame the same way we do. Lots of big questions with gentle, kind, thoughtful responses.

Evan Wickham joins Aaron Keyes on this month’s podcast! Evan is the Lead Pastor of Park Hill Church in San Diego. This episode covers a lot of ground - Evan’s journey of transitioning to a senior pastor/ church planter role after decades as a worship leader, Sabbath being the thing that changed everything for the Wickham family, and how where you sit determines what you see. The conversation closes with a vulnerable, honest question of whether Jesus experienced fear, guilt, and shame the same way we do. Lots of big questions with gentle, kind, thoughtful responses.

Zac Hicks

Aaron and Jess Leslie sit down with Jess’ very own boss, Zac Hicks, lead pastor of Church of the Cross in Birmingham, AL.  Zac’s book “The Worship Pastor” (Zondervan, 2016) laid out a compelling and comprehensive vision that aligns so well with what we teach at Worship School and in this conversation we get to explore his journey from being a worship pastor to a lead pastor. Zac and Jess are a dynamic partnership leading a new church plant in Birmingham, Alabama.   We also talked about “How do you know when it’s time to leave your church?,” “How lead pastors might overstep their bounds in regards to working with their worship pastor,” and how to reach those who are slipping through the cracks of cultural Christianity.

Aaron Keyes and Dee Wilson sit down with Elias Dummer, a Canadian musician and the principal songwriter and founding member of the City Harmonic band. This thought-provoking conversation will stir every worship leader to wrestle with the (often unspoken) desire to produce those goosebump moments on a Sunday morning. There’s a much stronger connection between behavioral science and song/set structure than we might realize. What’s really beneath it, and how does it affect what we’re communicating about God and the spiritual formation of our congregations? At the end of the day, what does it mean to actually lead HUMANS in worship?

Aaron Keyes and Dee Wilson sit down with Elias Dummer, a Canadian musician and the principal songwriter and founding member of the City Harmonic band. This thought-provoking conversation will stir every worship leader to wrestle with the (often unspoken) desire to produce those goosebump moments on a Sunday morning. There’s a much stronger connection between behavioral science and song/set structure than we might realize. What’s really beneath it, and how does it affect what we’re communicating about God and the spiritual formation of our congregations? At the end of the day, what does it mean to actually lead HUMANS in worship?

Elias Dummer

Lynn Cohick

In this episode, Aaron Keyes and Lauren Settembrini (10KFAM’s Executive Director) chat with New Testament scholar and author, Lynn Cohick. We discuss a variety of topics arising from her decades-long journey as a woman in academic and ministry spaces, the road blocks along the way, and the importance of community. Dr. Cohick is the Academic Dean, Provost, and Professor of New Testament at Northern Seminary, with whom we’re partnered for a Master of Arts in Worship degree. She’s spearheading a new Master’s degree in Women’s Studies at Northern, and has become a leading voice in the affirmation of women in leadership in the church.

In this episode, Aaron Keyes and Lauren Settembrini (10KFAM’s Executive Director) chat with New Testament scholar and author, Lynn Cohick. We discuss a variety of topics arising from her decades-long journey as a woman in academic and ministry spaces, the road blocks along the way, and the importance of community. Dr. Cohick is the Academic Dean, Provost, and Professor of New Testament at Northern Seminary, with whom we’re partnered for a Master of Arts in Worship degree. She’s spearheading a new Master’s degree in Women’s Studies at Northern, and has become a leading voice in the affirmation of women in leadership in the church.

Dr. Lynn Cohick

Leslie Jordan

Aaron Keyes and Jon Egan chat with Leslie Jordan on everything from The Fold, the non-profit she co-founded to nurture creatives of all types, to life and ministry after All Sons &amp; Daughters. This conversation dives deep into what it means to create in a way that’s transformative, how the best art is born from tension, and the skill (and value!) of always looking for what’s good. Leslie also shares her thoughts on navigating social media and her advice to songwriters.

Aaron Keyes and Jon Egan chat with Leslie Jordan on everything from The Fold, the non-profit she co-founded to nurture creatives of all types, to life and ministry after All Sons &amp; Daughters. This conversation dives deep into what it means to create in a way that’s transformative, how the best art is born from tension, and the skill (and value!) of always looking for what’s good. Leslie also shares her thoughts on navigating social media and her advice to songwriters.

Preston Sprinkle

In today’s climate of divisive, either/or narratives, Preston Sprinkle’s Theology in the Raw podcast is quickly becoming one of the safest, most thoughtful places to engage with a variety of not-so-simple topics with a posture of curiosity and connection. Aaron has been a guest on Theology in the Raw multiple times, but in this episode we get to flip the script and interview Preston! The conversation covers everything from how his podcast journey began and how he’s living differently because of it, what breaks his heart, seeking belonging over entertainment, and a way forward that gives hope.

In today’s climate of divisive, either/or narratives, Preston Sprinkle’s Theology in the Raw podcast is quickly becoming one of the safest, most thoughtful places to engage with a variety of not-so-simple topics with a posture of curiosity and connection. Aaron has been a guest on Theology in the Raw multiple times, but in this episode we get to flip the script and interview Preston! The conversation covers everything from how his podcast journey began and how he’s living differently because of it, what breaks his heart, seeking belonging over entertainment, and a way forward that gives hope.

Aaron Williams

If you’ve been around the 10,000 Fathers &amp; Mothers community for any length of time, you are probably acquainted with our dear friend and coach, Aaron Williams. Aaron is the co-founder of Dwell, a parachurch ministry serving both the individual Christ-follower and the church, and a resident artist at The Worship Initiative in Dallas, TX. In this episode, Aaron (Keyes) and Jess Leslie sit down for a conversation with Aaron (Williams) about discerning the will of God, songwriting, making disciples, and his first full-length record titled “The Hope of Christ,” available everywhere music is streamed/sold.

If you’ve been around the 10,000 Fathers &amp; Mothers community for any length of time, you are probably acquainted with our dear friend and coach, Aaron Williams. Aaron is the co-founder of Dwell, a parachurch ministry serving both the individual Christ-follower and the church, and a resident artist at The Worship Initiative in Dallas, TX. In this episode, Aaron (Keyes) and Jess Leslie sit down for a conversation with Aaron (Williams) about discerning the will of God, songwriting, making disciples, and his first full-length record titled “The Hope of Christ,” available everywhere music is streamed/sold.

Aaron Williams: Transition, Songwriting & Making Disciples

Andi Rozier

With decades of experience leading worship and writing and releasing music with Vertical Worship, Andi Rozier currently serves as the director of 24/7 Prayer and Worship Pastor at New Life Church’s East congregation in Colorado Springs, CO. In this episode, Aaron sits down for a conversation with Andi about wisdom on navigating ministry/difficult transitions, and what it means to water the pasture in front of you and why home is the real prize. 10,000 Fathers &amp; Mothers (10KFAM) exists to raise and release spiritual mothers and fathers who creatively shape the future of the church. We nurture worship leaders who lead songs into worship pastors who lead people. It’s good to have teachers – to get information – but who is building and transforming you? Who is investing in you and walking with you? At 10KFAM, we have the pleasure of leading two distinct communities of worship leaders through Worship School and Mere Worship. We are also uniquely positioned to offer Strategic Support to churches and ministries in their worship contexts.

With decades of experience leading worship and writing and releasing music with Vertical Worship, Andi Rozier currently serves as the director of 24/7 Prayer and Worship Pastor at New Life Church’s East congregation in Colorado Springs, CO. In this episode, Aaron sits down for a conversation with Andi about wisdom on navigating ministry/difficult transitions, and what it means to water the pasture in front of you and why home is the real prize. 10,000 Fathers &amp; Mothers (10KFAM) exists to raise and release spiritual mothers and fathers who creatively shape the future of the church. We nurture worship leaders who lead songs into worship pastors who lead people. It’s good to have teachers – to get information – but who is building and transforming you? Who is investing in you and walking with you? At 10KFAM, we have the pleasure of leading two distinct communities of worship leaders through Worship School and Mere Worship. We are also uniquely positioned to offer Strategic Support to churches and ministries in their worship contexts.

Jason Houtsma

After playing (and teaching) guitar for years, worship pastor Jason Houtsma built an online platform to help train musicians. Worship Artistry has since grown to have thousands of musicians, and they now offer lessons on acoustic guitar, electric guitar, drums, bass, keys, and vocals—with lessons covering 500 songs and counting. At 10,000 Fathers, we’re all about training leaders in character and competency. I know of no better resource for the musical side of competency than Worship Artistry. Hear some of my own testimony on how it’s helped me, hear some of Jason’s heart on why any of this matters, and go over to their site and get started for free!

After playing (and teaching) guitar for years, worship pastor Jason Houtsma built an online platform to help train musicians. Worship Artistry has since grown to have thousands of musicians, and they now offer lessons on acoustic guitar, electric guitar, drums, bass, keys, and vocals—with lessons covering 500 songs and counting. At 10,000 Fathers, we’re all about training leaders in character and competency. I know of no better resource for the musical side of competency than Worship Artistry. Hear some of my own testimony on how it’s helped me, hear some of Jason’s heart on why any of this matters, and go over to their site and get started for free!

Worship Artistry, with Jason Houtsma

Steve Cuss

Australian pastor &amp; author Steve Cuss joins Aaron at home to talk about how leaders can get unstuck from chronic patterns, and move from being managed by leadership anxiety to proactively managing it. Steve's book has been instrumental in helping countless leaders, and this episode will give you a sneak peak at some of the tools Steve is joined by two of his staff members (Jimmy Carnes &amp; Mariah Van Tress), both of whom are involved in the worship leadership at his church, Discovery, outside Denver, CO.  Managing Leadership Anxiety (Yours &amp; Theirs) is available at Amazon:  https://www.amazon.com/Managing-Leadership-Anxiety-Yours-Theirs/dp/1400210887 To apply for worship school, visit Worship.School.  For more information about Mere Worship, go to MereWorship.com.

Australian pastor &amp; author Steve Cuss joins Aaron at home to talk about how leaders can get unstuck from chronic patterns, and move from being managed by leadership anxiety to proactively managing it. Steve's book has been instrumental in helping countless leaders, and this episode will give you a sneak peak at some of the tools Steve is joined by two of his staff members (Jimmy Carnes &amp; Mariah Van Tress), both of whom are involved in the worship leadership at his church, Discovery, outside Denver, CO.  Managing Leadership Anxiety (Yours &amp; Theirs) is available at Amazon: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Managing-Leadership-Anxiety-Yours-Theirs/dp/1400210887" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> https://www.amazon.com/Managing-Leadership-Anxiety-Yours-Theirs/dp/1400210887</a> To apply for worship school, visit Worship.School.  For more information about Mere Worship, go to <a href="http://MereWorship.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">MereWorship.com</a>.

Managing Leadership Anxiety: Steve Cuss

This is the official podcast for 10,000 Fathers &amp; Mothers. We exist to raise and release spiritual mothers and fathers who creatively shape the future of the church. Learn more about our community at www.10kfam.com

Really good guests, interesting content, emotionally healthy worship leading.

Excellent content

The podcast is very relevant to real life and how to live as a Christian day to day!

Living the Gospel

This is the official podcast for 10,000 Fathers &amp; Mothers. We exist to raise and release spiritual mothers and fathers who creatively shape the future of the church. Learn more about our community at <a href="http://www.10kfam.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.10kfam.com</a>

10,000 Fathers & Mothers Podcast

Last week, some of our lead team sat down to have a conversation about how we approach discipleship and the model of learning we hope to create within the School. To learn more about what we do, visit: https://worship.school

Last week, some of our lead team sat down to have a conversation about how we approach discipleship and the model of learning we hope to create within the School. To learn more about what we do, visit: https://worship.school

A Universe of Thought

Cameron Walker sits down with Lauren Settembrini, to discuss her journey with the Enneagram, a personality assessment the Worship School uses for spiritual growth. Lauren is part of the local 10,000 Fathers team in Atlanta and serves as one of the Worship Pastors at Grace Snellville. Be sure to catch the bonus clip on the end for a funny story! For more information about 10,000 Fathers, visit: https://worship.school

Cameron Walker sits down with Lauren Settembrini, to discuss her journey with the Enneagram, a personality assessment the Worship School uses for spiritual growth. Lauren is part of the local 10,000 Fathers team in Atlanta and serves as one of the Worship Pastors at Grace Snellville. Be sure to catch the bonus clip on the end for a funny story! For more information about 10,000 Fathers, visit: <a href="https://worship.school/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://worship.school</a>

Worship Leading & the Enneagram - Type 1

Aaron Keyes sits down to interview his senior pastor, Jon Stallsmith, to talk about the vital relationship between the lead pastor &amp; the worship pastor.

Aaron Keyes sits down to interview his senior pastor, Jon Stallsmith, to talk about the vital relationship between the lead pastor &amp; the worship pastor.

Moses & Aaron: The relationship between Senior Leaders & Worship Leaders.

Alan Hirsch

Last week, Aaron sat down with Alan Hirsch to have a conversation around Ephesians 4 and the importance of the Fivefold Ministry. To learn more about Alan's important work, visit: https://5qcentral.com 

Last week, Aaron sat down with Alan Hirsch to have a conversation around Ephesians 4 and the importance of the Fivefold Ministry. To learn more about Alan's important work, visit: <a href="https://5qcentral.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://5qcentral.com</a>

Alan Hirsch on APEST

MATT PAPA

Aaron goes into the studio with Matt to talk about his brand new hymns record, out today, called “His Mercy is More.” In this episode we get to hear 3 of the tracks off the record, 2 of which were co-writes with Aaron (“Lord Have Mercy” and “Magnificent Marvelous”).  Great content in here about confession, songwriting, knowing your audience, and patience in our craft. Background music by our brilliant alum, David Lunsford.

Aaron goes into the studio with Matt to talk about his brand new hymns record, out today, called “His Mercy is More.” In this episode we get to hear 3 of the tracks off the record, 2 of which were co-writes with Aaron (“Lord Have Mercy” and “Magnificent Marvelous”).  Great content in here about confession, songwriting, knowing your audience, and patience in our craft. Background music by our brilliant alum, David Lunsford.

A chat with hymn-writer extraordinaire: Matt Papa

Jonathan Martin

Aaron sits down with Jonathan Martin, author of "Prototype" and "How to Survive a Shipwreck" to talk worship, spiritual fatherhood, &amp; the trickiness of leading in this cultural moment. --

Thoughtful Pentecostal: Jonathan Martin

Cameron Walker and John Emery sit down with Verna Law, one of our coaches, to discuss the Enneagram, a personality assessment the Worship School uses for spiritual growth. For more information about 10,000 Fathers, visit: https://worship.school

Cameron Walker and John Emery sit down with Verna Law, one of our coaches, to discuss the Enneagram, a personality assessment the Worship School uses for spiritual growth. For more information about 10,000 Fathers, visit: https://worship.school

The Enneagram – Type 7

Dee and Jenn Wilson sit down with Aaron to discuss the current state of music in the Church and some ways in which we can broaden our perspective.

Dee and Jenn Wilson sit down with Aaron to discuss the current state of music in the Church and some ways in which we can broaden our perspective.

Diversity, Ethnicity & Musicality

A brief overview of what it looks like to attend 10,000 Fathers, including details of our curriculum, expectations and some other frequently asked questions.

A brief overview of what it looks like to attend 10,000 Fathers, including details of our curriculum, expectations and some other frequently asked questions.

Overview & FAQ

In this episode, Aaron sits down with worship pastors Taylor Breen &amp; Kirby Kaple in Atlanta, Ga.   Taylor and Kirby both graduated from 10,000 Fathers and--the week of this recording--Kirby is celebrating a song she co-wrote ("Build my Life") that's just hit #1 on the Billboard charts.    Taylor helps lead 10,000 Fathers as a core team member, teacher and coach. Kirby is the worship pastor at Grace Midtown, and helps lead the international phenomenon known as Housefires, whose new album drops in July.

Women In Worship - A conversation with Kirby, Taylor and Aaron

David Walker

Addi Panter and David Walker sit down to discuss the techniques around maintaining proper vocal health and strength along with the spiritual perspective of finding your voice. 

Addi Panter and David Walker sit down to discuss the techniques around maintaining proper vocal health and strength along with the spiritual perspective of finding your voice.

Finding Your Voice & Vocal Health w/ Addi Panter & David Walker

Glenn Packiam

Our good friend Glenn Packiam has released his 5th book, called “Blessed Broken Given: How Your Story Becomes Sacred in the Hands of Jesus”; Glenn (along with Paul Baloche) co-wrote one of our favorite worship songs called “Your Name” back in the day, and today we got to talk about some of the great content in the new book.

Our good friend Glenn Packiam has released his 5th book, called “Blessed Broken Given: How Your Story Becomes Sacred in the Hands of Jesus”; Glenn (along with Paul Baloche) co-wrote one of our favorite worship songs called “Your Name” back in the day, and today we got to talk about some of the great content in the new book.

Blessed, Broken, Given - A Conversation with Glenn Packiam

Taylor sat down with one of our Online Experience students, from the Pilot Class. They've just begun Track 2, after completing the first 6 months of huddle. For more information about our Online Experience, visit: http://worship.school/online

Taylor sat down with one of our Online Experience students, from the Pilot Class. They've just begun Track 2, after completing the first 6 months of huddle. For more information about our Online Experience, visit: http://worship.school/online

Thriving in the Online Experience

Greg Boyd

Bruxy Cavey

Aaron chats with Matt Miles of the Jesus Collective and shares a conversation between Greg Boyd and Bruxy Cavey from the inaugural Jesus Collective meeting in Washington DC.

Aaron chats with Matt Miles of the Jesus Collective and shares a conversation between Greg Boyd and Bruxy Cavey from the inaugural Jesus Collective meeting in Washington DC.

Jesus at the Center (of theology!) ft. Greg Boyd & Bruxy Cavey

A few of the writers, David Walker, Daniel Hill and Aaron Keyes, sit down to discuss the crafting of the newest single released entitled "No Story You Can't Redeem." 

A few of the writers, David Walker, Daniel Hill and Aaron Keyes, sit down to discuss the crafting of the newest single released entitled "No Story You Can't Redeem."

Behind the Song - "No Story You Can't Redeem"

Cameron, Aaron and David discuss how to live present in each season and what tends to happen when we resist or resign from that reality.

Cameron, Aaron and David discuss how to live present in each season and what tends to happen when we resist or resign from that reality.

Resisting Reality

In this space we let go of anything from the day that needs to be left behind. These failures or offenses are burned up with the setting sun. We also use this time to receive more deeply anything from the day that God has spoken to us through our various interactions. This is a time to pray what is known as the prayer of Examen, which is a prayer of surrender, to be searched and known by God. It often involves becoming aware of the presence of God, reviewing or remembering your day with gratitude, recognizing your need for God and receiving his love and power, and finally, looking forward to the coming day with hope. We are reminded of the words of Psalm 139:23-24 – “Search me, God, and know my heart; test me and know my anxious thoughts. See if there is any offensive way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.” One example of the prayer of Examen is written by Richard Foster in his book Prayer. “Precious Savior, why do I fear your scrutiny? Yours is an examen of love. Still I am afraid… afraid of what may surface. Even so, I invite you to search me to the depths so that I may know myself – and you – in fuller measure. Amen.”

In this space we let go of anything from the day that needs to be left behind. These failures or offenses are burned up with the setting sun. We also use this time to receive more deeply anything from the day that God has spoken to us through our various interactions. This is a time to pray what is known as the prayer of Examen, which is a prayer of surrender, to be searched and known by God. It often involves becoming aware of the presence of God, reviewing or remembering your day with gratitude, recognizing your need for God and receiving his love and power, and finally, looking forward to the coming day with hope. We are reminded of the words of Psalm 139:23-24 – “Search me, God, and know my heart; test me and know my anxious thoughts. See if there is any offensive way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.” One example of the prayer of Examen is written by Richard Foster in his book Prayer. “Precious Savior, why do I fear your scrutiny? Yours is an examen of love. Still I am afraid… afraid of what may surface. Even so, I invite you to search me to the depths so that I may know myself – and you – in fuller measure. Amen.”

The Prayer of Examen // Fire // Psalm 139

A conversation with Gravity Leadership. 

A conversation with Gravity Leadership.

Leading With Team // A conversation with Gravity Leadership. 

Featuring Dave Rhodes and Aaron Keyes.

How to Create the Future

Taylor Breen

Pete James

Today marks the release day for our newest single, “Won My War,” featuring Taylor Breen. Taylor (and Aaron Keyes) wrote this new song and in this episode we get to talk all about the songwriting process, the lyrical and musical composition, and get into a discussion with several great insights regarding songwriting with Pete James, our dear friend from 10,000 Fathers Europe School, and Aaron’s co-writer on “King Forevermore (God the Uncreated One)” and “Thank you for Fathering Me.”

Today marks the release day for our newest single, “Won My War,” featuring Taylor Breen. Taylor (and Aaron Keyes) wrote this new song and in this episode we get to talk all about the songwriting process, the lyrical and musical composition, and get into a discussion with several great insights regarding songwriting with Pete James, our dear friend from 10,000 Fathers Europe School, and Aaron’s co-writer on “King Forevermore (God the Uncreated One)” and “Thank you for Fathering Me.”

Won My War (A Conversation with Taylor Breen & Pete James)

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