Mavi was one of the first artists I reached out to when deciding to relaunch Kinda Neat, so it's only fitting he ended up as the last guest of this "season" before I take a little summer break. When I reached out I'd recently gotten hip to his triumphant debut, Let the Sun Talk. It turns out Mavi had recently decided to take a break from school to concentrate on playing shows and building on the momentous buzz of the record. Then the world came to a halt. I can't help but feel for all the young artists who were about to embark on their first tours when 2020 was stolen from them. Not being able to touch audiences and feel the palpable energy of a record like LTST can make an artist feel like the record quickly became a distant memory. In talking to Mavi, he seemed almost surprised someone (me) would still care about the album. But on the heels of his latest EP, END OF THE EARTH, with venues opening back up, hopefully 2021 will make up for lost time last year. This was a very thought-provoking episode. We broke format and talked less about Mavi's journey than we did his worldview. I'm thoroughly impressed and in awe of his intellect, insight, and insatiable curiosity. The breadth of knowledge available at his fingertips on a wide range of subjects is enviable, and the wisdom that shines through his songs is just as easily on display in conversation. Tune in to hear us talk about his deep connection to South Carolina, how America is deeply haunted, and why his name is nothing to play with.  -Lee

<a href="https://twitter.com/mavi4mayor" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Mavi</a> was one of the first artists I reached out to when deciding to relaunch Kinda Neat, so it's only fitting he ended up as the last guest of this "season" before I take a little summer break. When I reached out I'd recently gotten hip to his triumphant debut, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/album/1RU8i9ISNQ52Vs8msq30C1?si=JPT6Cp3FRzWOdjmQnaw9QA&amp;dl_branch=1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Let the Sun Talk</a>. It turns out Mavi had recently decided to take a break from school to concentrate on playing shows and building on the momentous buzz of the record. Then the world came to a halt. I can't help but feel for all the young artists who were about to embark on their first tours when 2020 was stolen from them. Not being able to touch audiences and feel the palpable energy of a record like LTST can make an artist feel like the record quickly became a distant memory. In talking to Mavi, he seemed almost surprised someone (me) would still care about the album. But on the heels of his latest EP, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/album/1sFz8iZfEzeIhQpTwLoguz?si=2Lvi83C_RqqPDFYmr8pn4g&amp;dl_branch=1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">END OF THE EARTH</a>, with venues opening back up, hopefully 2021 will make up for lost time last year. This was a very thought-provoking episode. We broke format and talked less about Mavi's journey than we did his worldview. I'm thoroughly impressed and in awe of his intellect, insight, and insatiable curiosity. The breadth of knowledge available at his fingertips on a wide range of subjects is enviable, and the wisdom that shines through his songs is just as easily on display in conversation. Tune in to hear us talk about his deep connection to South Carolina, how America is deeply haunted, and why his name is nothing to play with.  -<a href="https://twitter.com/kindaneat" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lee</a>

Mavi

When ovrkast. came through last year, demahjiae came with him to the studio. I wasn't hip yet, but ovrkast. promised me he was next up. He was right!  demahjiae's 2020 release "And, Such Is Life." boosted itself right into my favorite albums of the year upon it's release. The self-produced opus features a litany of guests that stay in my rotation (Navy Blue, Pink Siifu, Zeroh, ovrkast.), thoughtfully cohesive production, and constantly inward facing lyricism. It's well worth your time and truly shows the potential for a long-lasting and impactful career.  Tune in to hear us talk about legendary bass player great grandfather, the influence of video game soundtracks, and a pivotal tech deck rejection.

When <a href="https://twitter.com/ovrkast" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ovrkast</a>. came through last year, <a href="https://twitter.com/demahjiae" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">demahjiae</a> came with him to the studio. I wasn't hip yet, but ovrkast. promised me he was next up. He was right!  demahjiae's 2020 release "<a href="https://open.spotify.com/album/5fnfArvvaGIP4iG3KausnB?si=rEP4tOvhQsSnlh14pFvpMg&amp;dl_branch=1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">And, Such Is Life.</a>" boosted itself right into my favorite albums of the year upon it's release. The self-produced opus features a litany of guests that stay in my rotation (Navy Blue, Pink Siifu, Zeroh, ovrkast.), thoughtfully cohesive production, and constantly inward facing lyricism. It's well worth your time and truly shows the potential for a long-lasting and impactful career.  Tune in to hear us talk about legendary bass player great grandfather, the influence of video game soundtracks, and a pivotal tech deck rejection.

demahjiae

SG Ali was brought to my attention by a trusted source and I've loved everything I've heard so far. She has a deeply intuitive sense of melody, and consistently creates inspirational ear worms. Turns out she's been honing her craft since childhood.  Born and raised in Near North Chicago, in the Cabrini-Green Homes, she was lucky enough to be a part of a music education program in middle school called "Friday Crew" where members learned to make beats, make raps, and make music videos. While she was initially only excited to get out of class, she quickly realized she had vast potential as a rapper, and it wasn't long before early teenage Facebook posts of her raps were going viral. Now after almost a decade of honing her craft, her first record with upstart label Steady Leanin is on the way soon.  Tune in to hear us talk about Mayor Daly tearing down Chicago's housing projects, being born to young parents, and her pivotal time in "Friday Crew." -Lee

<a href="https://twitter.com/sgali" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">SG Ali</a> was brought to my attention by a trusted source and I've loved everything I've heard so far. She has a deeply intuitive sense of melody, and consistently creates inspirational ear worms. Turns out she's been honing her craft since childhood.  Born and raised in Near North Chicago, in the Cabrini-Green Homes, she was lucky enough to be a part of a music education program in middle school called "Friday Crew" where members learned to make beats, make raps, and make music videos. While she was initially only excited to get out of class, she quickly realized she had vast potential as a rapper, and it wasn't long before early teenage Facebook posts of her raps were going viral. Now after almost a decade of honing her craft, her first record with upstart label <a href="https://steadyleanin.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Steady Leanin</a> is on the way soon.  Tune in to hear us talk about Mayor Daly tearing down Chicago's housing projects, being born to young parents, and her pivotal time in "Friday Crew." -<a href="https://twitter.com/kindaneat" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lee</a>

SG Ali

Travis Thompson

Travis Thompson and I go way back now. Even before his performance of “Need You” went massively viral back in 2017, he was following my friends and I online, and occasionally asking for guidance, as far back as 2011. He’s one of the friendliest folks to ever come on the show, and I feel a bit like a big brother (whether he wants me to or not). After “Need You” blew up, labels came calling, and he signed with Epic. His first release with them Reckless Endangerment admittedly didn’t do what he wanted it to, and he’s been looking inward since. While fans and followers continued to wonder — and occasionally harass him about — where the new music was, he was in a spiritual crisis that’s helped inspire, what he feels is, the best music he’s ever made. Tune in to hear us talk about overcoming self-doubt, artistic growth, and rocking Bape on the Rez. -Lee

<a href="https://twitter.com/travisxthompson" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Travis Thompso</a>n and I go way back now. Even before his performance of “<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTmZx48JAtI" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Need You</a>” went massively viral back in 2017, he was following my friends and I online, and occasionally asking for guidance, as far back as 2011. He’s one of the friendliest folks to ever come on the show, and I feel a bit like a big brother (whether he wants me to or not). After “Need You” blew up, labels came calling, and he signed with Epic. His first release with them Reckless Endangerment admittedly didn’t do what he wanted it to, and he’s been looking inward since. While fans and followers continued to wonder — and occasionally harass him about — where the new music was, he was in a spiritual crisis that’s helped inspire, what he feels is, the best music he’s ever made. Tune in to hear us talk about overcoming self-doubt, artistic growth, and rocking Bape on the Rez. -<a href="https://twitter.com/kindaneat" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lee</a>

Been a Njomza fan for a long time now. After hearing about her way back in 2014, inviting her to perform on the show (I have an unreleased GEM of hers in the archives), and having her play one of my last shows back in 2015, I was thrilled to have her team reach out about performing the latest single on KN.  A theme of this episode is drive and ambition. Njomza learned she could sing very young, and by the time she was in junior high she held auditions to start a band. She began posting cover songs to YouTube in high school, where she was quickly discovered by Mac Miller, and eventually she moved to Los Angeles on her own to pursue music. But interestingly her confidence and assuredness in making life decisions around music is in sharp contrast with her, at times crippling, perfectionism when releasing music. With her upcoming LIMBO EP, she finds herself in a new headspace, in her bag, and ready to release more music moving forward. This, to me, means it's only a matter of time until she's a household name. Tune in to hear us talk about her parents immigration story, overcoming perfectionism, and a fateful night in Wisconsin. -Lee

Been a <a href="https://twitter.com/njomza" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Njomza</a> fan for a long time now. After hearing about her way back in 2014, inviting her to perform on the show (I have an unreleased GEM of hers in the archives), and having her play one of my last shows back in 2015, I was thrilled to have her team reach out about performing the latest single on KN.  A theme of this episode is drive and ambition. Njomza learned she could sing very young, and by the time she was in junior high she held auditions to start a band. She began posting cover songs to YouTube in high school, where she was quickly discovered by Mac Miller, and eventually she moved to Los Angeles on her own to pursue music. But interestingly her confidence and assuredness in making life decisions around music is in sharp contrast with her, at times crippling, perfectionism when releasing music. With her upcoming LIMBO EP, she finds herself in a new headspace, in her bag, and ready to release more music moving forward. This, to me, means it's only a matter of time until she's a household name. Tune in to hear us talk about her parents immigration story, overcoming perfectionism, and a fateful night in Wisconsin. -<a href="https://twitter.com/kindaneat" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lee</a>

Njomza

Lou From Paradise hit it big in 2016 with a video that took him from never playing a solo show, to playing festivals within a matter of months. He was quickly swept into the major label system, and describes it as all being too much too soon. Feeling trapped by a machine that didn't want to see him grow and evolve, he asked to be released, and is now back on the indie grind feeling fully recharged. Lou's set to have a very busy year. With 3 releases already in the pocket, including the soon to be released tape produced completely by Statik Selektah, he seems set to have another big breakout very soon. He played me a bunch of new music after this episode and I can vouch, he's got all the bars, multiple styles, and seems to never run out of new ideas. Hear us talk about growing up a troublemaker in Staten Island, his journey through the major label system, and his dad not letting Eve in the club. -Lee

<a href="https://twitter.com/paradisemadman" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lou From Paradise</a> hit it big in 2016 with a <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7deiSGVKpc" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">video</a> that took him from never playing a solo show, to playing festivals within a matter of months. He was quickly swept into the major label system, and describes it as all being too much too soon. Feeling trapped by a machine that didn't want to see him grow and evolve, he asked to be released, and is now back on the indie grind feeling fully recharged. Lou's set to have a very busy year. With 3 releases already in the pocket, including the soon to be released tape produced completely by Statik Selektah, he seems set to have another big breakout very soon. He played me a bunch of new music after this episode and I can vouch, he's got all the bars, multiple styles, and seems to never run out of new ideas. Hear us talk about growing up a troublemaker in Staten Island, his journey through the major label system, and his dad not letting Eve in the club. -<a href="https://twitter.com/kindaneat" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lee</a>

Lou From Paradise

Kipp Stone's 2020 release HOMME was a carefully crafted and perfectly cohesive album. It was a stylistic leap forward for Kipp, and the first time he'd genuinely felt he found his voice on record. "Sprague Street" featuring Mick Jenkins was picked up by a number of playlists, and Kipp's buzz has been steadily on the rise. Born and raised in Cleveland, this was Kipp's first trip to Los Angeles. With the release of his excellent new EP Faygo Baby, and the "three perfect albums" he has plotted in his head, it definitely won't be his last trip out here. Tune in to hear us talk about cappin' and wreckin', getting fried in junior high, and ending up with a best friend by dissing every rapper in the city. -Lee

<a href="https://twitter.com/kipp_stone" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Kipp Stone</a>'s 2020 release HOMME was a carefully crafted and perfectly cohesive album. It was a stylistic leap forward for Kipp, and the first time he'd genuinely felt he found his voice on record. "Sprague Street" featuring Mick Jenkins was picked up by a number of playlists, and Kipp's buzz has been steadily on the rise. Born and raised in Cleveland, this was Kipp's first trip to Los Angeles. With the release of his excellent new EP Faygo Baby, and the "three perfect albums" he has plotted in his head, it definitely won't be his last trip out here. Tune in to hear us talk about cappin' and wreckin', getting fried in junior high, and ending up with a best friend by dissing every rapper in the city. -<a href="https://twitter.com/kindaneat" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lee</a>

Kipp Stone

Was recently put on to Kear and intrigued by her innate pop sensibilities, confident delivery, and sensational ear for beats. The Philadelphia native was on her first trip to Los Angeles and it turns out she may never leave. After only working on music for a year, she has fully thrown herself into it, gathered a team, and made the trek across country to see if they can make it work. She seems to have all the right weaponry to achieve her goals. This episode contains a somber story of housing insecurity, constant uprooting, and overall uncertainty about even the most basic childhood needs such as attending school. Kear's had some tough years, but has kept an upbeat attitude, is quick to laugh, and has a magnetic personality to match her music.  Tune in to hear us talk about FKA Twigs influence on her style, the uncle that inspired her to rap, and bouts of homelessness. -Lee

Was recently put on to <a href="https://twitter.com/whoiskear" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Kear</a> and intrigued by her innate pop sensibilities, confident delivery, and sensational ear for beats. The Philadelphia native was on her first trip to Los Angeles and it turns out she may never leave. After only working on music for a year, she has fully thrown herself into it, gathered a team, and made the trek across country to see if they can make it work. She seems to have all the right weaponry to achieve her goals. This episode contains a somber story of housing insecurity, constant uprooting, and overall uncertainty about even the most basic childhood needs such as attending school. Kear's had some tough years, but has kept an upbeat attitude, is quick to laugh, and has a magnetic personality to match her music.  Tune in to hear us talk about FKA Twigs influence on her style, the uncle that inspired her to rap, and bouts of homelessness. -<a href="https://twitter.com/kindaneat" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lee</a>

Kear

I came across Airøspace in a Twitter thread. I asked people to put me on to new music, and out of the hundreds of responses, 2020's Senjougahara Hitagi, Vol. IV tape really stood out. His 2019 release Sorry to Bother You further solidified how asleep I'd been.  He lives in DC, and trying to arrange an episode of KN during the pandemic became touch and go due to the fact my wife was approaching her due date during the week he was in town. My wife was having contractions the evening we recorded the episode , but we weren't sure if was actual labor or not. We left for the hospital an hour after I finished talking to Airø, and my son was born the next day. Tune in to hear us talk about attending nightmarish boarding schools, drumming in metal bands, and spending time in a psych ward as a kid. -Lee

I came across <a href="https://twitter.com/airospvce" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Airøspace</a> in a Twitter thread. I asked people to put me on to new music, and out of the hundreds of responses, 2020's Senjougahara Hitagi, Vol. IV tape really stood out. His 2019 release Sorry to Bother You further solidified how asleep I'd been.  He lives in DC, and trying to arrange an episode of KN during the pandemic became touch and go due to the fact my wife was approaching her due date during the week he was in town. My wife was having contractions the evening we recorded the episode , but we weren't sure if was actual labor or not. We left for the hospital an hour after I finished talking to Airø, and my son was born the next day. Tune in to hear us talk about attending nightmarish boarding schools, drumming in metal bands, and spending time in a psych ward as a kid. -<a href="https://twitter.com/kindaneat" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lee</a>

Airøspace

Carpetgarden's latest EP, "The Way He Looks," blew me away. The songwriting is impeccable, the production is great, and their gently deep resonant tone really hits an emotional soft spot. I gush over their talent in the episode because I really do think they have hit-record potential. With such a wide range of influence and consumed media throughout their youth, Carpetgarden has a established a sound with crossover appeal to all sorts of music lovers. Growing up on social media and online gaming, they're truly a product of the internet with an intuitive knack for marketing that will surely build a cult following over the next few years. Very excited to follow along on the journey. Tune in to hear us talk about growing up in a small conservative city, finding actual community in community college, and a very inspirational teacher. -Lee

<a href="https://twitter.com/notcarpetgarden" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Carpetgarden</a>'s latest EP, "<a href="https://open.spotify.com/album/7pSgyeEXgLRpqhQWP6fyUJ?si=eXOAw1w_SdKVpP7zDj6u5Q" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Way He Looks</a>," blew me away. The songwriting is impeccable, the production is great, and their gently deep resonant tone really hits an emotional soft spot. I gush over their talent in the episode because I really do think they have hit-record potential. With such a wide range of influence and consumed media throughout their youth, Carpetgarden has a established a sound with crossover appeal to all sorts of music lovers. Growing up on social media and online gaming, they're truly a product of the internet with an intuitive knack for marketing that will surely build a cult following over the next few years. Very excited to follow along on the journey. Tune in to hear us talk about growing up in a small conservative city, finding actual community in community college, and a very inspirational teacher. -<a href="https://twitter.com/ItsIntuition" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lee</a>

Carpetgarden

Kinda Neat is a music discovery platform where you might find your new favorite rapper, singer, beatmaker, or pop star. Host, Lee Shaner (aka Intuition), is one of the earliest music podcasters having started his first music podcast over a decade ago in 2011. KN has been the first podcast / YT channel to break artists like Kali Uchis, Ghostemane, J.I.D., and so many others. Tune in for an in-depth look into each artist's journey and the common themes that make people pursue careers in music.

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Interviewing Excellence

Intuition (lee) is great and facilitates great discussion.

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KINDA NEAT

This is the 2nd time I've interviewed Kreayshawn. We did a podcast with her 4 years ago the same week that “Gucci Gucci” blew up. She was only 21 years old then. One of her first songs had become a smash hit. Is anyone is ever ready for that? A lot has changed since. She got signed, she toured, put out an album, became a media punching bag, got dropped, became a mom, and has been out of the public eye for a bit now. But here's the thing about Kreayshawn: she wasn't cool because she had a hit record. Her record became a hit because she's cool as fuck. This conversation is proof of that. I hope it serves as a reminder that media figures are still human beings. Life goes on after fame. We talk about having a punk rock goddess for a mom, Job Corp gangs, and her journey through the major label system. –Lee

This is the 2nd time I've interviewed <a href="https://twitter.com/kreayshawn" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Kreayshawn</a>. We did a podcast with her 4 years ago the same week that “Gucci Gucci” blew up. She was only 21 years old then. One of her first songs had become a smash hit. Is anyone is ever ready for that? A lot has changed since. She got signed, she toured, put out an album, became a media punching bag, got dropped, became a mom, and has been out of the public eye for a bit now. But here's the thing about Kreayshawn: she wasn't cool because she had a hit record. Her record became a hit because she's cool as fuck. This conversation is proof of that. I hope it serves as a reminder that media figures are still human beings. Life goes on after fame. We talk about having a punk rock goddess for a mom, Job Corp gangs, and her journey through the major label system. –<a href="http://twitter.com/itsintuition" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lee</a>

Kreayshawn

One of my favorite subjects to harp on is becoming a middle aged rap fan. I try to stay open minded and excited about the evolution of the art. Last week I was at a $uicideboy$ show, feeling extra old. It was there I saw Ghostemane come out and kill a quick guest appearance during an opening dj set. I'm only surface level familiar with the burgeoning sub-genre of aggressively dark underground rap I would compartmentalize him in. It's amazing to see this younger generation of underground rappers make their audience go berserk. The shows feel more like hardcore or metal performances than a rap show in a traditional sense. Hence I wanted to talk to the new Los Angeles transplant about this scene, and how he got involved in it. Listen to us talk about how the prescription opioid epidemic affected his family, moving to LA 3 weeks ago, and why most young goths have it all wrong about satan. –Lee

One of my favorite subjects to harp on is becoming a middle aged rap fan. I try to stay open minded and excited about the evolution of the art. Last week I was at a $uicideboy$ show, feeling extra old. It was there I saw <a href="https://twitter.com/ghostemane" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Ghostemane</a> come out and kill a quick guest appearance during an opening dj set. I'm only surface level familiar with the burgeoning sub-genre of aggressively dark underground rap I would compartmentalize him in. It's amazing to see this younger generation of underground rappers make their audience go berserk. The shows feel more like hardcore or metal performances than a rap show in a traditional sense. Hence I wanted to talk to the new Los Angeles transplant about this scene, and how he got involved in it. Listen to us talk about how the prescription opioid epidemic affected his family, moving to LA 3 weeks ago, and why most young goths have it all wrong about satan. –<a href="http://twitter.com/itsintuition" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lee</a>

Ghostemane

This week we sat down with Ugly Frank and Khris P of ILLFIGHTYOU.  The Tacoma, WA group's self-titled debut came highly suggested from trusted sources. I'm glad I checked it out. It's a project that feels raw but sounds polished. Just three friends constantly trying to out rap each other over filthy beats with hardly a concern for song structure or hooks. We talk about how they became a collective, growing up skateboarding, and why there's nothing wrong with admitting you were a Limp Bizkit fan at one point. –Lee

This week we sat down with Ugly Frank and Khris P of ILLFIGHTYOU.  The Tacoma, WA group's self-titled debut came highly suggested from trusted sources. I'm glad I checked it out. It's a project that feels raw but sounds polished. Just three friends constantly trying to out rap each other over filthy beats with hardly a concern for song structure or hooks. We talk about how they became a collective, growing up skateboarding, and why there's nothing wrong with admitting you were a Limp Bizkit fan at one point. –<a href="http://twitter.com/itsintuition" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lee</a>

ILLFIGHTYOU

On the latest Kinda Neat, our new buddy Milo was in town before heading out to SXSW. We had a chance to talk to him about his new EPs, his heroes and idols, and sharing a favorite philosopher with Sasha Grey. –Lee

On the latest Kinda Neat, our new buddy Milo was in town before heading out to SXSW. We had a chance to talk to him about his new EPs, his heroes and idols, and sharing a favorite philosopher with <a href="https://twitter.com/SashaGrey" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sasha Grey</a>. –<a href="http://twitter.com/itsintuition" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lee</a>

Milo

Finally sat down with the legend: Nedarb. This dude's name regularly gets brought up on the show. Not only is Ned racking up production credits, he's one of the most prolific connectors in the LA underground. Truly a “guy behind the guy that did the thing” type. We go way back. Ned used to reach out about working on KN right as I started it. Oftentimes people reaching out get on my nerves pretty easily. There's simply something off about a lot of folks' approach. But Ned was always respectful, inquisitive, and really willing to soak up game. We became online friends a while before he and Milo decided to move to the West Coast from Wisconsin. In the 4 years I've known him, Ned has quickly blossomed into a true force. He's known as a guy that knows everyone. And everyone that knows him, knows he has an ear for what's next. He's produced multiple songs for Lil Peep, Lil Tracy, and other Goth Boi Clique affiliates. But beyond that he's largely responsible for connecting a lot of the members in the first place. I've always thought Ned had a bright future, a ton of potential, and I've been waiting for the right time to have him on . When you're watching a little homie put in work, it's easy to miss the fact they've become a peer. While watching him find himself, and his place in the world from a distance, I've been really happy to see him get such a solid foothold in the scene. –Lee

Finally sat down with the legend: <a href="https://twitter.com/nedarbnagrom" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Nedarb</a>. This dude's name regularly gets brought up on the <a href="http://kindaneat.net/wicca-phase" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">show</a>. Not only is Ned racking up production credits, he's one of the most prolific connectors in the LA underground. Truly a “guy behind the guy that did the thing” type. We go way back. Ned used to reach out about working on KN right as I started it. Oftentimes people reaching out get on my nerves pretty easily. There's simply something off about a lot of folks' approach. But Ned was always respectful, inquisitive, and really willing to soak up game. We became online friends a while before he and <a href="http://kindaneat.net/milo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Milo</a> decided to move to the West Coast from Wisconsin. In the 4 years I've known him, Ned has quickly blossomed into a true force. He's known as a guy that knows everyone. And everyone that knows him, knows he has an ear for what's next. He's produced multiple songs for Lil Peep, Lil Tracy, and other Goth Boi Clique affiliates. But beyond that he's largely responsible for connecting a lot of the members in the first place. I've always thought Ned had a bright future, a ton of potential, and I've been waiting for the right time to have him on . When you're watching a little homie put in work, it's easy to miss the fact they've become a peer. While watching him find himself, and his place in the world from a distance, I've been really happy to see him get such a solid foothold in the scene. –<a href="http://twitter.com/itsintuition" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lee</a>

Nedarb

This felt like one of the best conversations I've had in a while. JMSN had just finished his record and was re-entering society after his self induced creative hermitude. There was next to no small talk and we dove right into anxiety, depression, and loneliness like we were old friends catching up (we'd never met). Even when I know better, occasional I make the mistake of assuming things work out immediately for talented people. When I first started hearing JMSN a few years ago I thought “hmm a dude with a great voice, great songs, great hair, and no vowels in his name?…people must've rolled out a red carpet to fame for him.” Turns out like any good success story, JMSN had plenty of failures in the industry. That eventually led him to finding himself and his voice. Hear us talk about being creative loners, mental health coping strategies, and wishing every show could be in his backyard. –Lee

This felt like one of the best conversations I've had in a while. JMSN had just finished his record and was re-entering society after his self induced creative hermitude. There was next to no small talk and we dove right into anxiety, depression, and loneliness like we were old friends catching up (we'd never met). Even when I know better, occasional I make the mistake of assuming things work out immediately for talented people. When I first started hearing JMSN a few years ago I thought “hmm a dude with a great voice, great songs, great hair, and no vowels in his name?…people must've rolled out a red carpet to fame for him.” Turns out like any good success story, JMSN had plenty of failures in the industry. That eventually led him to finding himself and his voice. Hear us talk about being creative loners, mental health coping strategies, and wishing every show could be in his backyard. –<a href="http://twitter.com/itsintuition" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lee</a>

JMSN

Buttress is an in-your-face character. She doesn't hold back as a performer, an artist, or as a conversationalist. Born to a strictly religious mother and attending Christian schools throughout her youth, she was once “punched in the gut by God” during a Pentecostal ceremony. While many would've used that experience to validate their belief in God, it made her believe in telepathy and begin reading up on the occult. Questioning everything and constant contrarianism seem to be ongoing themes in Buttress' life. She left home for art school in Savannah, GA to pursue dreams of a career in animation. Like many art students her initial goal soon changed. Realizing Savannah, that school, and animation weren't a good fit for her, she transitioned into studying film. She moved to Chicago and ended up in an art school with cliched snobby art students… the kind you see in movies. Finding the school's student body mostly obnoxious, she rebelled against the cultural norms. That's when she started experimenting with noise music and rapping. Her Youtube channel is filled with dark imagery and dense raps. Her music videos have high production value. She's able to get across her emotive themes without losing any technical prowess in her aesthetic. Early work has a boom-bap rap vibe, but she assured us she wants to move past that. As she continues on her music journey, experimenting and finding her voice, it seems like she'll be taking it farther towards left field. Press play below to hear our conversation. –Lee

<a href="https://twitter.com/cockspit" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Buttress</a> is an in-your-face character. She doesn't hold back as a performer, an artist, or as a conversationalist. Born to a strictly religious mother and attending Christian schools throughout her youth, she was once “punched in the gut by God” during a Pentecostal ceremony. While many would've used that experience to validate their belief in God, it made her believe in telepathy and begin reading up on the occult. Questioning everything and constant contrarianism seem to be ongoing themes in Buttress' life. She left home for art school in Savannah, GA to pursue dreams of a career in animation. Like many art students her initial goal soon changed. Realizing Savannah, that school, and animation weren't a good fit for her, she transitioned into studying film. She moved to Chicago and ended up in an art school with cliched snobby art students… the kind you see in movies. Finding the school's student body mostly obnoxious, she rebelled against the cultural norms. That's when she started experimenting with noise music and rapping. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/yi3jane" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Her Youtube channel</a> is filled with dark imagery and dense raps. Her music videos have high production value. She's able to get across her emotive themes without losing any technical prowess in her aesthetic. Early work has a boom-bap rap vibe, but she assured us she wants to move past that. As she continues on her music journey, experimenting and finding her voice, it seems like she'll be taking it farther towards left field. Press play below to hear our conversation. –<a href="http://twitter.com/itsintuition" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lee</a>

Buttress

Robert Paulson, better known as Cadalack Ron, stopped by Kinda Neat for what became one of the heaviest and most revealing interviews I've ever been a part of. Caddy's story is at points dark, troubling, horribly morose and, in the end, up-lifting. Cadalack Ron talks about his past as a drug addict in and out of jail, cleaning up multiple times only to fall back into old habits, and finally being able to feel emotion again after running from it for so many years. This conversation ran long so we turned it into a 2-parter. Editor's Note: Caddy has passed away since this episode. He was a good man. I hope his legacy lives on through his music, battles, and conversations like this. –Lee

Robert Paulson, better known as Cadalack Ron, stopped by Kinda Neat for what became one of the heaviest and most revealing interviews I've ever been a part of. Caddy's story is at points dark, troubling, horribly morose and, in the end, up-lifting. Cadalack Ron talks about his past as a drug addict in and out of jail, cleaning up multiple times only to fall back into old habits, and finally being able to feel emotion again after running from it for so many years. This conversation ran long so we turned it into a 2-parter. Editor's Note: Caddy has passed away since this episode. He was a good man. I hope his legacy lives on through his music, battles, and conversations like this. –<a href="http://twitter.com/itsintuition" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lee</a>

Cadalack Ron (Part 1)

Mike Eagle

I met Mike in 2005 at a Project Blowed anniversary show. Our mutual friend invited us to join their crew onstage for a big cypher during their set. The dj for the set was supposed to switch instrumentals for each rapper. He ended up blending the instrumentals completely off beat in the middle of people's verses. In turn everyone sounded like they had no idea how to rap on beat. About 4 people out of the 12 or so onstage got to rap before they cut the power off because we were doing so poorly. I got to rap (poorly and off beat), in my recollection the mic never got to Mike. Before the show, our motley crew of ragtag early 20's rappers gathered in a parking garage to practice. We all traded the verses we'd planned to perform onstage. Mike's instantly stuck out to me. Clever punches, original angles, and interesting cadence choices were already in his repertoire. He'd just moved from Chicago and was already making a name at the Blowed.  I lived in Santa Barbara at the time and was an outsider in the LA scene. We exchanged props and phone numbers. Our first phone call was basically me gushing over his raps and telling him I wanted to help however I could. All that is to say this: you don't forget your first time meeting someone like Mike. He's special. If you're new to the show and listening to learn more about Mike, this probably isn't the episode for you. We talk the way we'd talk off mic. I'm not asking a lot of questions about the new record. Not asking that much about his upbringing (there's another episode about that). I talk more than I usually would in an interview (my bad). I let my guard down a lot around him because he's surrounded by a force field of comfort. We talk life, talk shop, and talk trying to find happiness and peace in our creative endeavors without making ourselves crazy. –Lee

I met <a href="http://kindaneat.net/open-mike-eagle" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Mike</a> in 2005 at a Project Blowed anniversary show. Our mutual friend invited us to join their crew onstage for a big cypher during their set. The dj for the set was supposed to switch instrumentals for each rapper. He ended up blending the instrumentals completely off beat in the middle of people's verses. In turn everyone sounded like they had no idea how to rap on beat. About 4 people out of the 12 or so onstage got to rap before they cut the power off because we were doing so poorly. I got to rap (poorly and off beat), in my recollection the mic never got to Mike. Before the show, our motley crew of ragtag early 20's rappers gathered in a parking garage to practice. We all traded the verses we'd planned to perform onstage. Mike's instantly stuck out to me. Clever punches, original angles, and interesting cadence choices were already in his repertoire. He'd just moved from Chicago and was already making a name at the Blowed.  I lived in Santa Barbara at the time and was an outsider in the LA scene. We exchanged props and phone numbers. Our first phone call was basically me gushing over his raps and telling him I wanted to help however I could. All that is to say this: you don't forget your first time meeting someone like Mike. He's special. If you're new to the show and listening to learn more about Mike, this probably isn't the episode for you. We talk the way we'd talk off mic. I'm not asking a lot of questions about the new record. Not asking that much about his upbringing (there's another episode about that). I talk more than I usually would in an interview (my bad). I let my guard down a lot around him because he's surrounded by a force field of comfort. We talk life, talk shop, and talk trying to find happiness and peace in our creative endeavors without making ourselves crazy. –<a href="http://twitter.com/itsintuition" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lee</a>

Open Mike Eagle

Wicca Phase Springs Eternal has spent most of his life actively pursuing music. It's been the constant ever since starting bands in middle school. He went on to finding success with Tigers Jaw, and has now pivoted into the current form of Wicca Phase. You'd never guess that his hometown of Scranton was a hotbed of late era emo bands and record labels. But growing up there he found mentors and inspiration in local heroes. Now his somber lyrics laid over lo-fi trap beats are genre defying and bending the limits of modern rap music. He's found kindred spirits in Goth Boi Clique and Thraxxhouse, Hear us talk about growing up in Pennsylvania, reaching his goal of signing to a local label and needing to make new goals, and his step dad basically being the pope of the religion he grew up in. –Lee

Wicca Phase Springs Eternal has spent most of his life actively pursuing music. It's been the constant ever since starting bands in middle school. He went on to finding success with Tigers Jaw, and has now pivoted into the current form of Wicca Phase. You'd never guess that his hometown of Scranton was a hotbed of late era emo bands and record labels. But growing up there he found mentors and inspiration in local heroes. Now his somber lyrics laid over lo-fi trap beats are genre defying and bending the limits of modern rap music. He's found kindred spirits in Goth Boi Clique and Thraxxhouse, Hear us talk about growing up in Pennsylvania, reaching his goal of signing to a local label and needing to make new goals, and his step dad basically being the pope of the religion he grew up in. –<a href="http://twitter.com/itsintuition" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lee</a>

Wicca Phase Springs Eternal

Van Styles

Van Styles is a king of Instagram. He's garnered 700K followers on the app by expertly photographing the feminine figure. He's translated that success into a thriving upstart clothing brand “Visual Apparel.” But it doesn't seem like that was ever the end goal. As a young man he loved skateboarding but ended up directing porn. It seems the only common theme in his career path is “stay open to any opportunity.” Hear us discuss his outlier-like opportunity to learn how to photograph women on the job (of a porno set). Also how he bought two cars and a condo in his early 20s. He also reveals why Instagram started to feel too formulaic. –Lee

Van Styles is a king of Instagram. He's garnered 700K followers on the app by expertly photographing the feminine figure. He's translated that success into a thriving upstart clothing brand “Visual Apparel.” But it doesn't seem like that was ever the end goal. As a young man he loved skateboarding but ended up directing porn. It seems the only common theme in his career path is “stay open to any opportunity.” Hear us discuss his outlier-like opportunity to learn how to photograph women on the job (of a porno set). Also how he bought two cars and a condo in his early 20s. He also reveals why Instagram started to feel too formulaic. –<a href="http://twitter.com/itsintuition" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lee</a>

EarthGang is comprised of rappers Johnny Venus and Doctor Dot. The duo's been putting in work for the better part of a decade and the payoff seems inevitable. They've been brought up on show by guests multiple times. Their crew, Spillage Village, includes KN alum J.I.D. who recently signed to J.Cole's Dreamville imprint. So needless to say it seems like EG and SV are in for a big year. Last year's Bears Like This Too Much compilation was a shining example of Spillage Village's effortless style. The tape was the 3rd entry in a series of “Bears” releases. Its opening track “Can't Call It” with the aforementioned Cole was also featured on Dj Khaled's Major Key. Bears was a late favorite of 2016 personally, and it proved the ATL underground is not to be ignored. SV are proper torchbearers of that Dungeon Fam / Goodie Mob bugged out ATL shit of yore. I'm always trying to piece together what that ATL scene is like. This episode showed how surprisingly small and tight knit the scene really is. They reminisce about knowing 808 Mafia before they became the worlds most desired production crew, 6lack crashing on their couch, Makkonen before he was going up on a Tuesday, knowing Two9 from high school, and Young Thug performing at one of their shows. We also discuss the changes Atlanta is going through with gentrification, and how hard they worked on music in college. Listen in below. –Lee

<a href="https://twitter.com/earthgang" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">EarthGang</a> is comprised of rappers Johnny Venus and Doctor Dot. The duo's been putting in work for the better part of a decade and the payoff seems inevitable. They've been brought up on show by guests multiple times. Their crew, Spillage Village, includes KN alum <a href="http://kindaneat.net/jid" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">J.I.D.</a> who recently signed to J.Cole's Dreamville imprint. So needless to say it seems like EG and SV are in for a big year. Last year's Bears Like This Too Much compilation was a shining example of Spillage Village's effortless style. The tape was the 3rd entry in a series of “Bears” releases. Its opening track “Can't Call It” with the aforementioned Cole was also featured on Dj Khaled's Major Key. Bears was a late favorite of 2016 personally, and it proved the ATL underground is not to be ignored. SV are proper torchbearers of that Dungeon Fam / Goodie Mob bugged out ATL shit of yore. I'm always trying to piece together what that ATL scene is like. This episode showed how surprisingly small and tight knit the scene really is. They reminisce about knowing 808 Mafia before they became the worlds most desired production crew, 6lack crashing on their couch, Makkonen before he was going up on a Tuesday, knowing Two9 from high school, and Young Thug performing at one of their shows. We also discuss the changes Atlanta is going through with gentrification, and how hard they worked on music in college. Listen in below. –<a href="http://twitter.com/itsintuition" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lee</a>

EarthGang

We talked to Awful Record's own Tommy Genesis. She began making music after leaving her small Canadian hometown for art school. While living in Vancouver she eventually caught the ear of Father. Last summer's World Vision gave us a glimpse of what's to come. She's been in LA busy at work on World Vision 2. She'll be joining Father on tour starting in a couple weeks, so catch them in a city near you. Hear us talk about astrology (yeah yeah I know), growing up as a mixed kid, and demolishing walls in art school.   –Lee

We talked to Awful Record's own <a href="https://twitter.com/tommygenesis" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Tommy Genesis</a>. She began making music after leaving her small Canadian hometown for art school. While living in Vancouver she eventually caught the ear of <a href="http://kindaneat.net/father" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Father</a>. Last summer's World Vision gave us a glimpse of what's to come. She's been in LA busy at work on World Vision 2. She'll be joining Father on tour starting in a couple weeks, so catch them in a city near you. Hear us talk about astrology (yeah yeah I know), growing up as a mixed kid, and demolishing walls in art school. –<a href="http://twitter.com/itsintuition" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lee</a>

Tommy Genesis

K.Flay is Dope. Couldn’t really think of another way to start this blurb. If you mention Kristine Flaherty to musicians you'll hear nothing but praise for her talent and personality. Since she's been a road warrior for a few years now. Due to that she's crossed paths with plenty of artists to sing those praises. K.Flay is Ivy League level intelligent and rap star level swagged out. Our conversation proves the former, and her performance of “FML” on proves the latter. Hear us talk about the beginnings of her rap career at Stanford, being a member of the real life Brady Bunch, and listen as we go absolutely apeshit with the “shoutouts.” Shoutout former guest Clayton Blaha for facilitating this episode. –Lee

K.Flay is Dope. Couldn’t really think of another way to start this blurb. If you mention Kristine Flaherty to musicians you'll hear nothing but praise for her talent and personality. Since she's been a road warrior for a few years now. Due to that she's crossed paths with plenty of artists to sing those praises. <a href="https://twitter.com/kflay" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">K.Flay </a>is Ivy League level intelligent and rap star level swagged out. Our conversation proves the former, and her performance of “FML” on proves the latter. Hear us talk about the beginnings of her rap career at Stanford, being a member of the real life Brady Bunch, and listen as we go absolutely apeshit with the “shoutouts.” Shoutout former guest <a href="http://kindaneat.net/clayton-blaha" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Clayton Blaha</a> for facilitating this episode. –<a href="http://twitter.com/itsintuition" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lee</a>

K.Flay

Wax put out a new record called Livin Foul. We've done a whole bunch of podcasts in the last 4 or 5 years, so this one breaks format and we essentially don't talk about anything. But that's cool. He definitely sings the Full House theme at some point. Go get that new album, I'm on a song. HAPPY HOLIDAYS HOMIES. –Lee

Wax put out a new record called <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/livin-foul/id1046992673" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Livin Foul</a>. We've done a whole bunch of podcasts in the last 4 or 5 years, so this one breaks format and we essentially don't talk about anything. But that's cool. He definitely sings the Full House theme at some point. Go get that new album, I'm on a song. HAPPY HOLIDAYS HOMIES. –<a href="http://twitter.com/itsintuition" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lee</a>

Mr. Muthafuckin Exquire had a palpable buzz in 2011. The video for “Huzzah” was so raw, grimy, and stylized. It skyrocketed him into the limelight of every major music publication. Every rap fan I knew was excited by his potential. Then, somewhat surprisingly, he signed with a major. Things seemed to get a bit quieter. From the outside looking in it seemed like the label didn't know what to do with him. Eventually he announced he was no longer signed to Universal. I find the early 2010's to be an amazingly interesting time in music. The labels really started to see themselves losing their stronghold and began trying to get their hands on anything that was building a buzz on the internet. These stories are so intriguing and relatable, it goes without saying I was excited to hear his side. Highly recommend this convo, we had a great time talking about his rolling stone of a father, his stint on Universal, and his success being anything but “overnight.” –Lee

Mr. Muthafuckin Exquire had a palpable buzz in 2011. The video for “<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bzoyVKZaL4" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Huzzah</a>” was so raw, grimy, and stylized. It skyrocketed him into the limelight of every major music publication. Every rap fan I knew was excited by his potential. Then, somewhat surprisingly, he signed with a major. Things seemed to get a bit quieter. From the outside looking in it seemed like the label didn't know what to do with him. Eventually he announced he was no longer signed to Universal. I find the early 2010's to be an amazingly interesting time in music. The labels really started to see themselves losing their stronghold and began trying to get their hands on anything that was building a buzz on the internet. These stories are so intriguing and relatable, it goes without saying I was excited to hear his side. Highly recommend this convo, we had a great time talking about his rolling stone of a father, his stint on Universal, and his success being anything but “overnight.” –<a href="http://twitter.com/itsintuition" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lee</a>

Mr. Muthafuckin Exquire

This week we sat down with Ottawa's Night Lovell. The baritone voiced teen was a phenomenon from the jump. The first music video he released quickly gained traction, garnering millions of views in no time. Meanwhile, the quiet and shy student was still in high school, his classmates none the wiser to his meteoric rise. Hear us talk about his dad's past as a emcee, dealing with Ottawa winters, and how he will beat that ass at Call Of Duty. –Lee

This week we sat down with Ottawa's Night Lovell. The baritone voiced teen was a phenomenon from the jump. The first music video he released quickly gained traction, garnering millions of views in no time. Meanwhile, the quiet and shy student was still in high school, his classmates none the wiser to his meteoric rise. Hear us talk about his dad's past as a emcee, dealing with Ottawa winters, and how he will beat that ass at Call Of Duty. –<a href="http://twitter.com/kindaneat" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lee</a>

Night Lovell

We always love when we get to link with an artist you guys request. POS gets requested a lot. He's been a road warrior for a long time. So of course we caught him as he traveled with Doomtree in support of All Hands.  Listen to us talk about touring at the tender age of 14, why Minneapolis has such a strong history of music, and how the video for Guns N' Roses “Paradise City” changed his life. –Lee

We always love when we get to link with an artist you guys request. POS gets requested a lot. He's been a road warrior for a long time. So of course we caught him as he traveled with Doomtree in support of <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/all-hands/id945142341" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">All Hands</a>.  Listen to us talk about touring at the tender age of 14, why Minneapolis has such a strong history of music, and how the video for Guns N' Roses “Paradise City” changed his life. –<a href="http://twitter.com/itsintuition" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lee</a>

Listen to the conclusion of our Cadalack Ron interview. Ron discusses sobriety, recidivism and redemption. Editor's Note: Caddy has passed away since this was recorded. We are heartbroken. He was a good man. His legacy will live on through music, battles, and interviews. –Lee

Listen to the conclusion of our Cadalack Ron interview. Ron discusses sobriety, recidivism and redemption. Editor's Note: Caddy has passed away since this was recorded. We are heartbroken. He was a good man. His legacy will live on through music, battles, and interviews. –<a href="http://twitter.com/itsintuition" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lee</a>

Cadalack Ron (Part 2)

This week we sat down with friend of the show Busdriver. Been meaning to have him on since the release of his excellent new record Thumbs. Moments before we started I saw the video of Mario Woods being executed by a firing squad of police officers. This is another in a long line of video taped police killings. We discussed race and politics issues before we began recording. It carries over into this conversation. This episode is different than our usual direction. Bus and I explore opinions more than life stories. There are probably some moments that we're wearing our hearts on our sleeves. We talk about some sensitive subjects that many Americans would rather avoid. That being said, I always have a great time talking to Busdriver because he's such an amazing thinker, artist, and poet. –Lee

This week we sat down with friend of the show Busdriver. Been meaning to have him on since the release of his excellent new record <a href="https://busdriver-thumbs.bandcamp.com/album/thumbs-2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Thumbs</a>. Moments before we started I saw the video of Mario Woods being executed by a firing squad of police officers. This is another in a long line of video taped police killings. We discussed race and politics issues before we began recording. It carries over into this conversation. This episode is different than our usual direction. Bus and I explore opinions more than life stories. There are probably some moments that we're wearing our hearts on our sleeves. We talk about some sensitive subjects that many Americans would rather avoid. That being said, I always have a great time talking to Busdriver because he's such an amazing thinker, artist, and poet. –<a href="http://twitter.com/itsintuition" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lee</a>

Busdriver

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