Karl Kroger's guest appearances

Karl Kroger

Biblical Conversations

David Hollis

Pesach Wolicki

Andrew Devaney

Vicky Vetter

Alisha Vincent

Jeff Pospisil

Brandon Vetter

Rebecca Trefz

Thomas Madut

Betty Oldenkamp

OwlTail

This is the second half of the conversation I had recently with Vicky Vetter and Karl Kroger. Vicky is the Director of Student Ministries at Legacy United Methodist Church in Bismarck ND. She's very involved in helping resettle and educate immigrants in the Bismarck area. Karl is the Senior Pastor of Grace United Methodist Church in Piedmont SD and has been passionate about immigration and refugees. In 2013, Karl, along with students from Bethlehem Bible College, helped minister to Syrian refugees in Jordan. We're still following what we call the STER analysis: Scripture, Tradition, Experience and Reason. This is often called the Wesleyan Quadrilateral. Its simply a way of working through theological/ethical issues asking the questions: 1) What does Scripture teach?, 2) What is the tradition of the church?, 3) What is my experience here and 4) what seems to be in accord with the common sense dictates of human reason.In this episode, Karl talks about his experiences with immigrants and refugees and helps us think through ways we might be able to either advocate for and being involved with these issues.If you haven't listened to the previous episode, you'll really need to back up and do that. This episode is completely dependent on that one. There we discussed Scripture, tradition and Vicky's experience with immigrants in the Bismarck area. In this episode, Karl will discuss his experience and lead us in a conversation about helpful ways forward. Again, The Bible and Immigration Part Two: A Conversation with Vicky Vetter and Karl Kroger.

This is the second half of the conversation I had recently with Vicky Vetter and Karl Kroger. Vicky is the Director of Student Ministries at Legacy United Methodist Church in Bismarck ND. She's very involved in helping resettle and educate immigrants in the Bismarck area. Karl is the Senior Pastor of Grace United Methodist Church in Piedmont SD and has been passionate about immigration and refugees. In 2013, Karl, along with students from Bethlehem Bible College, helped minister to Syrian refugees in Jordan. <br>We're still following what we call the STER analysis: Scripture, Tradition, Experience and Reason. This is often called the Wesleyan Quadrilateral. Its simply a way of working through theological/ethical issues asking the questions: 1) What does Scripture teach?, 2) What is the tradition of the church?, 3) What is my experience here and 4) what seems to be in accord with the common sense dictates of human reason.<br>In this episode, Karl talks about his experiences with immigrants and refugees and helps us think through ways we might be able to either advocate for and being involved with these issues.<br>If you haven't listened to the previous episode, you'll really need to back up and do that. This episode is completely dependent on that one. There we discussed Scripture, tradition and Vicky's experience with immigrants in the Bismarck area. In this episode, Karl will discuss his experience and lead us in a conversation about helpful ways forward. <br>Again, The Bible and Immigration Part Two: A Conversation with Vicky Vetter and Karl Kroger.

BC 2.10 The Bible and Immigration: Part Two A conversation with Vicky Vetter and Karl Kroger

What attitude should we take toward people who have entered this nation illegally? Should mercy and benevolence triumph over justice and the law? What about those who immigrate here lawfully or those who seek asylum? Vicky, Karl and I waded into this vast and complex topic using the Wesleyan Quadrilateral as our guide. We also call this the "STER analysis" which follows these 4 questions. What does Scripture teach? (the S in STER). What about the traditions of our church (the T in STER). Here we consulted the social principles of the Methodist faith. If you are non-Methodist, I encourage you to check your own denominational statement. Thirdly, what experiences do I have that shape my understanding? (the E) and what seems to be in accordance with the dictates of human reason? (our R). Just so you know, we hear more from Vicky in this first section, and more from Karl in the second. The recording was divided into two episodes. The next will cover part two, as I said, with more Karl.

BC 2.9 The Bible and the Immigrant: Conversation with Vicky Vetter and Karl Kroger

In this episode, Karl and I reflect on the biblical shifts of perspective on the notion of intergenerational punishment and pastoral implications.

BC 5: Divine Punishment: Paradigm Shift and the Pastoral Implications: Interview with Karl Kroger