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On this episode, we wrap up our logical deconstruction of the Book of Abraham. We focus our petrifying gaze on the lds.org essay titled, ‘Translation and Historicity of the Book of Abraham,’ the LDS Church’s official statement on this challenging piece of Mormon scripture. Is it merely more apologetics, or is there something special with this essay compared with other apologetic arguments for the ‘historical plausibility’ of the Book of Abraham? No, it’s just delicately worded apologetics we discussed at length last week. What more can we learn from this essay? What would it look like for the Brighamite LDS Church to disavow an historically authentic interpretation of this book and other Mormon scripture? We use the RLDS as an analogue to muse on what the Church has to lose when it comes to moving into an unorthodox and progressive stance on scripture and doctrine. Links: Translation and Historicity of the Book of Abraham  https://www.lds.org/topics/translation-and-historicity-of-the-book-of-abraham?lang=eng Book of Abraham and Kirtland Egyptian material  http://www.josephsmithpapers.org/site/book-of-abraham-and-egyptian-material Kirtland Egyptian language and grammar  http://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/grammar-and-alphabet-of-the-egyptian-language-circa-july-circa-november-1835/7 Original printing of Book of Abraham and Facsimile 1  http://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/book-of-abraham-and-facsimiles-1-march-16-may-1842/1 Book of Abraham MormonThink  http://www.mormonthink.com/book-of-abraham-issues.htm#theegyptionpapyriwerenotall Lucy Mack Smith Book of Abraham ‘translation’ method  http://www.josephsmithpapers.org/intro/introduction-to-book-of-abraham-manuscripts Roger Launius The Reorganized Church, the Decade of Decision, and the Abilene Paradox  https://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/issues/V31N01.pdf Community of Christ FY2017 Budget  http://www.cofchrist.org/common/cms/resources/Documents/FY17-Budget-ENGLISH.pdf Community of Christ D&amp;C 163 https://www.cofchrist.org/doctrine-and-covenants-section-163 Current LDS Membership Statistics http://www.cumorah.com/index.php?target=church_growth_articles Current LDS Income Statistics  http://www.churchistrue.com/blog/lds-membership-statistics-report-2017/ LDS Self-reported Membership Statistics https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/topic/church-growth Show Links: Website http://nakedmormonismpodcast.com  Twitter @NakedMormonism Facebook https://www.facebook.com/pages/Naked-Mormonism/370003839816311  Patreon http://patreon.com/nakedmormonism  Music by Jason Comeau http://aloststateofmind.com/  Show Artwork http://weirdmormonshit.com/ Legal Counsel http://patorrez.com/

On this episode, we wrap up our logical deconstruction of the Book of Abraham. We focus our petrifying gaze on the <a href="http://lds.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">lds.org</a> essay titled, ‘Translation and Historicity of the Book of Abraham,’ the LDS Church’s official statement on this challenging piece of Mormon scripture. Is it merely more apologetics, or is there something special with this essay compared with other apologetic arguments for the ‘historical plausibility’ of the Book of Abraham? No, it’s just delicately worded apologetics we discussed at length last week. What more can we learn from this essay? What would it look like for the Brighamite LDS Church to disavow an historically authentic interpretation of this book and other Mormon scripture? We use the RLDS as an analogue to muse on what the Church has to lose when it comes to moving into an unorthodox and progressive stance on scripture and doctrine. Links: Translation and Historicity of the Book of Abraham <a href="https://www.lds.org/topics/translation-and-historicity-of-the-book-of-abraham?lang=eng" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> https://www.lds.org/topics/translation-and-historicity-of-the-book-of-abraham?lang=eng</a> Book of Abraham and Kirtland Egyptian material <a href="http://www.josephsmithpapers.org/site/book-of-abraham-and-egyptian-material" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> http://www.josephsmithpapers.org/site/book-of-abraham-and-egyptian-material</a> Kirtland Egyptian language and grammar <a href="http://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/grammar-and-alphabet-of-the-egyptian-language-circa-july-circa-november-1835/7" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> http://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/grammar-and-alphabet-of-the-egyptian-language-circa-july-circa-november-1835/7</a> Original printing of Book of Abraham and Facsimile 1 <a href="http://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/book-of-abraham-and-facsimiles-1-march-16-may-1842/1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> http://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/book-of-abraham-and-facsimiles-1-march-16-may-1842/1</a> Book of Abraham MormonThink <a href="http://www.mormonthink.com/book-of-abraham-issues.htm#theegyptionpapyriwerenotall" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> http://www.mormonthink.com/book-of-abraham-issues.htm#theegyptionpapyriwerenotall</a> Lucy Mack Smith Book of Abraham ‘translation’ method <a href="http://www.josephsmithpapers.org/intro/introduction-to-book-of-abraham-manuscripts" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> http://www.josephsmithpapers.org/intro/introduction-to-book-of-abraham-manuscripts</a> Roger Launius The Reorganized Church, the Decade of Decision, and the Abilene Paradox <a href="https://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/issues/V31N01.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> https://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/issues/V31N01.pdf</a> Community of Christ FY2017 Budget <a href="http://www.cofchrist.org/common/cms/resources/Documents/FY17-Budget-ENGLISH.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> http://www.cofchrist.org/common/cms/resources/Documents/FY17-Budget-ENGLISH.pdf</a> Community of Christ D&amp;C 163 <a href="https://www.cofchrist.org/doctrine-and-covenants-section-163" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.cofchrist.org/doctrine-and-covenants-section-163</a> Current LDS Membership Statistics <a href="http://www.cumorah.com/index.php?target=church_growth_articles" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.cumorah.com/index.php?target=church_growth_articles</a> Current LDS Income Statistics <a href="http://www.churchistrue.com/blog/lds-membership-statistics-report-2017/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> http://www.churchistrue.com/blog/lds-membership-statistics-report-2017/</a> LDS Self-reported Membership Statistics <a href="https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/topic/church-growth" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/topic/church-growth</a> Show Links: Website <a href="http://nakedmormonismpodcast.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://nakedmormonismpodcast.com</a> Twitter <a href="https://twitter.com/NakedMormonism" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">@NakedMormonism</a> Facebook <a href="https://www.facebook.com/pages/Naked-Mormonism/370003839816311" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/pages/Naked-Mormonism/370003839816311</a> Patreon <a href="http://patreon.com/nakedmormonism" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://patreon.com/nakedmormonism</a> Music by Jason Comeau <a href="http://aloststateofmind.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://aloststateofmind.com/</a> Show Artwork <a href="http://weirdmormonshit.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://weirdmormonshit.com/</a> Legal Counsel <a href="http://patorrez.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://patorrez.com/</a>

Ep 106 – Book of Abraham Logical pt 2

On this episode, we jump into the logical deconstruction of the Book of Abraham. We deal with the apologetic arguments made to claim the Book of Abraham is ‘historically plausible’. Historically plausible doesn’t mean probable or authentic, so what does it really mean? Can one believe in a book of scripture if it’s ‘historically plausible,’ even if that plausibility flies in the face of the historicity of the documents being authentic? We take apologist arguments line by line and systematically break them down into their constituent parts, hopefully arming you, the listener, with an arsenal of arguments against the historicity of the Book of Abraham. Links: Historical Plausibility: The Historicity of the Book of Abraham as a Case Study  https://rsc.byu.edu/archived/historicity-and-latter-day-saint-scriptures/3-historical-plausibility-historicity-book MormonThink Book of Abraham essay http://www.mormonthink.com/book-of-abraham-issues.htm#ref2 Stephen E. Thompson essay on BoA  http://mit.irr.org/lds-egyptologist-doubts-joseph-smith-translated-book-of-abraham-egyptian-scroll Egyptology and the Book of Abraham Stephen E. Thompson  https://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/Dialogue_V28N01_155.pdf Joseph Smith Papers Egyptian materials  http://www.josephsmithpapers.org/site/book-of-abraham-and-egyptian-material Translating the BoA in Joseph Smith Journal 1842  http://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/journal-december-1841-december-1842/19 Translating Egyptian into grammar and alphabet in Joseph Smith journal  http://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/journal-1835-1836/4 Egyptian grammar  http://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/grammar-and-alphabet-of-the-egyptian-language-circa-july-circa-november-1835/7 Kerry Muhlstein Book of Abraham Challenges  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMVX-Km_G6Y&amp;list=PLNt4VOT9Z1fZNcekTzaV0Wbjx6kQTPlr4 Show Links: Website http://nakedmormonismpodcast.com  Twitter @NakedMormonism Facebook https://www.facebook.com/pages/Naked-Mormonism/370003839816311  Patreon http://patreon.com/nakedmormonism  Music by Jason Comeau http://aloststateofmind.com/  Show Artwork http://weirdmormonshit.com/ Legal Counsel http://patorrez.com/

On this episode, we jump into the logical deconstruction of the Book of Abraham. We deal with the apologetic arguments made to claim the Book of Abraham is ‘historically plausible’. Historically plausible doesn’t mean probable or authentic, so what does it really mean? Can one believe in a book of scripture if it’s ‘historically plausible,’ even if that plausibility flies in the face of the historicity of the documents being authentic? We take apologist arguments line by line and systematically break them down into their constituent parts, hopefully arming you, the listener, with an arsenal of arguments against the historicity of the Book of Abraham. Links: Historical Plausibility: The Historicity of the Book of Abraham as a Case Study <a href="https://rsc.byu.edu/archived/historicity-and-latter-day-saint-scriptures/3-historical-plausibility-historicity-book" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> https://rsc.byu.edu/archived/historicity-and-latter-day-saint-scriptures/3-historical-plausibility-historicity-book</a> MormonThink Book of Abraham essay <a href="http://www.mormonthink.com/book-of-abraham-issues.htm#ref2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.mormonthink.com/book-of-abraham-issues.htm#ref2</a> Stephen E. Thompson essay on BoA <a href="http://mit.irr.org/lds-egyptologist-doubts-joseph-smith-translated-book-of-abraham-egyptian-scroll" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> http://mit.irr.org/lds-egyptologist-doubts-joseph-smith-translated-book-of-abraham-egyptian-scroll</a> Egyptology and the Book of Abraham Stephen E. Thompson <a href="https://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/Dialogue_V28N01_155.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> https://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/Dialogue_V28N01_155.pdf</a> Joseph Smith Papers Egyptian materials <a href="http://www.josephsmithpapers.org/site/book-of-abraham-and-egyptian-material" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> http://www.josephsmithpapers.org/site/book-of-abraham-and-egyptian-material</a> Translating the BoA in Joseph Smith Journal 1842 <a href="http://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/journal-december-1841-december-1842/19" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> http://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/journal-december-1841-december-1842/19</a> Translating Egyptian into grammar and alphabet in Joseph Smith journal <a href="http://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/journal-1835-1836/4" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> http://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/journal-1835-1836/4</a> Egyptian grammar <a href="http://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/grammar-and-alphabet-of-the-egyptian-language-circa-july-circa-november-1835/7" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> http://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/grammar-and-alphabet-of-the-egyptian-language-circa-july-circa-november-1835/7</a> Kerry Muhlstein Book of Abraham Challenges <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMVX-Km_G6Y&amp;list=PLNt4VOT9Z1fZNcekTzaV0Wbjx6kQTPlr4" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMVX-Km_G6Y&amp;list=PLNt4VOT9Z1fZNcekTzaV0Wbjx6kQTPlr4</a> Show Links: Website <a href="http://nakedmormonismpodcast.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://nakedmormonismpodcast.com</a> Twitter <a href="https://twitter.com/NakedMormonism" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">@NakedMormonism</a> Facebook <a href="https://www.facebook.com/pages/Naked-Mormonism/370003839816311" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/pages/Naked-Mormonism/370003839816311</a> Patreon <a href="http://patreon.com/nakedmormonism" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://patreon.com/nakedmormonism</a> Music by Jason Comeau <a href="http://aloststateofmind.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://aloststateofmind.com/</a> Show Artwork <a href="http://weirdmormonshit.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://weirdmormonshit.com/</a> Legal Counsel <a href="http://patorrez.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://patorrez.com/</a>

Ep 105 – Book of Abraham Logical pt1