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S4E34: A Conversation so Intense It Might as Well Be Psychedelic | John Vervaeke

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28 Jun 2021

2hr 35mins

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S4E34: A Conversation so Intense It Might as Well Be Psychedelic | John Vervaeke

28 Jun 2021

2hr 35mins

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Quote

"Books are mirrors: you only see in them what you already have inside you"

Ideas

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When we're engaging in a dialogue, we want to have the love of wisdom as opposed to the love of victory.
When you're in a productive conversation, you're co-creating your understanding of things, and going to places that neither one of you could not have reached without the collaboration with each other.

Having the love of wisdom means that you're putting your love of truth first, foregoing any attachment you have to being right and only focusing on advancing your understanding of reality.

Whilst having love for victory means that you're putting your love of winning as the first and foremost priority.

The only way to gain more truth and move forward is if your love for better understanding truth trumps your love for being right.

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When we're engaging in a dialogue, we want to have the love of wisdom as opposed to the love of victory.
When you're in a productive conversation, you're co-creating your understanding of things, and going to places that neither one of you could not have reached without the collaboration with each other.

Having the love of wisdom means that you're putting your love of truth first, foregoing any attachment you have to being right and only focusing on advancing your understanding of reality.

Whilst having love for victory means that you're putting your love of winning as the first and foremost priority.

The only way to gain more truth and move forward is if your love for better understanding truth trumps your love for being right.

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We don't know enough about knowing. There are four kinds of knowledge.
The first kind of knowing is the one everyone usually talks about, which is called propositional knowing, knowing about things.

The second kind of knowing is procedural knowing, where we know how to do things, knowing specific actions that get specific results.

The third kind of knowing is perspectival knowing, where we know how to perceive the world, understanding the situation we're in and how things relate to each other.

And the fourth kind of knowing, is participatory knowing, where we know how to relate to the world and those around us.

Imagine that someone learns a lot about hammers and becomes skillful at using one, so they have propositional and procedural knowledge. This is useful, but not every problem is a nail. Perspectival knowledge helps us better perceive the world in order to understand what is needed for different situations. And participatory knowledge is where we go from not just seeing, but being, being in a dynamic relationship with the arena in which we operate in, so that we naturally know how to do what we want to do.

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We don't know enough about knowing. There are four kinds of knowledge.
The first kind of knowing is the one everyone usually talks about, which is called propositional knowing, knowing about things.

The second kind of knowing is procedural knowing, where we know how to do things, knowing specific actions that get specific results.

The third kind of knowing is perspectival knowing, where we know how to perceive the world, understanding the situation we're in and how things relate to each other.

And the fourth kind of knowing, is participatory knowing, where we know how to relate to the world and those around us.

Imagine that someone learns a lot about hammers and becomes skillful at using one, so they have propositional and procedural knowledge. This is useful, but not every problem is a nail. Perspectival knowledge helps us better perceive the world in order to understand what is needed for different situations. And participatory knowledge is where we go from not just seeing, but being, being in a dynamic relationship with the arena in which we operate in, so that we naturally know how to do what we want to do.

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The problem with new atheists is that they look for scientific knowledge in the bible without thinking about how it cultivates wisdom.
Without knowing that there's a difference between scientific knowledge and wisdom.

We confuse the church and the religions with the dogma or set of principles laid down by the church as incontrovertibly true.

Without realizing that the fight between Theist and Atheist is one of whether God shall be called God or shall have some other name.

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The problem with new atheists is that they look for scientific knowledge in the bible without thinking about how it cultivates wisdom.
Without knowing that there's a difference between scientific knowledge and wisdom.

We confuse the church and the religions with the dogma or set of principles laid down by the church as incontrovertibly true.

Without realizing that the fight between Theist and Atheist is one of whether God shall be called God or shall have some other name.

Questions

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Can you think of how you could apply the four different kinds of knowing better?

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Can you think of how you could apply the four different kinds of knowing better?

What else is in the episode

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The nature of insight and the difference between the cartesian and theological view of knowledge

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The nature of insight and the difference between the cartesian and theological view of knowledge

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Culture wars, power in society and the relationship between love and truth

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Culture wars, power in society and the relationship between love and truth

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Distinctions between the unknown real and the unconscious

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Distinctions between the unknown real and the unconscious

Who is John Vervaeke?

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An award-winning lecturer at the University of Toronto in the departments of psychology, cognitive science and Buddhist psychology. He released a series of lectures online called '​Awakening From the Meaning Crisis and his focus is on Integrating science and spirituality to solve the meaning crisis.

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An award-winning lecturer at the University of Toronto in the departments of psychology, cognitive science and Buddhist psychology. He released a series of lectures online called '​Awakening From the Meaning Crisis and his focus is on Integrating science and spirituality to solve the meaning crisis.

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