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An iMac and Some iPhones

Steven and Timothy return to discuss all things WWDC, including Voice Control, pointer support, and more.

Steven and Timothy return to discuss all things WWDC, including Voice Control, pointer support, and more.

Post-WWDC Pontifications

Sarah Herrlinger

Steven interviews Apple's Senior Director of Global Accessibility Policy &amp; Initiatives, Sarah Herrlinger, at Apple’s Word Wide Developers Conference in San Jose. They discuss Apple’s approach to accessibility and many of the new accessibility features announced this year. Show Notes: Apple’s WWDC EventSteven’s TechCrunch ArticleSteven AquinoTwitter: @steven_aquinoWebsite: stevensblog.coTimothy BuckTwitter: @timothybucksfWebsite: timothybuck.mePodcast: unco.fmEpisode TranscriptTimothy Buck: Hello everyone. Welcome to Accessible, a podcast about accessibility in tech. I'm your host Timothy Buck. I'm super excited to introduce this episode. It's a really special one. My co-host Steven Aquino had the honor and pleasure of recording an interview with Apple's Senior Director of Accessibility at WWDC again this year, but before we jump into the show, we went to remind you that we have a Patreon over at patreon.com/accessible. If you want to hear more from us, please support us on Patreon. It's a huge help. Without further ado. Here's the interview. Steven Aquino: Hi Sarah. Sarah Herrlinger: Hello Stephen!Sound Person: All right, so we're already recording. So go ahead and feel free to start whenever you’d like.  Steven Aquino: Great. Okay.Well welcome to episode 12 of Accessible. I'm your host Steve Aquino, and I am here in San Jose at WWDC. We had the Keynote this morning with iOS 13 and watchOS and everything else. And right now I am with once again Apple's... Sarah your title is very long. Sarah Herrlinger: Yes. I'm the Director of Global Accessibility Policy Initiatives for Apple.Steven Aquino: Yes. So Sarah I had you here last year, and we talked about what was new then. Hoping that you could kind of run us through some of the highlights of what is new.Sarah Herrlinger: Absolutely, and it is a pleasure to be back on your podcast. This is my second time doing it, and I always enjoy being able to spend time with you and do this.  So, thank you. Steven Aquino: Thank you so much. Sarah Herrlinger: So yeah, this is it's a big year for us. We have a lot of really wonderful features to bring out to the world and we're really excited.One of the things that we always try and do is to give some love to all of our operating systems and to all different types of users of our technology. So hopefully there's something in the operating systems to surprise and delight everyone. And so I definitely encourage folks when they get access to, whether they are people who download beta builds and start to give us feedback early, which we always love, or people who wait till the final release. But hopefully, you know, you'll find some things as you're moving around in the operating system and you'll find new fun features that are there for everyone.Steven Aquino: So are there features that, and it doesn't matter which platform, but are there some things that are new that really stand out as your favorites? Sarah Herrlinger: Yeah, well, gosh, two of them that we talked about during the keynote today in different operating systems. One is a new feature called Voice Control, which is available in both macOS and iOS, and it is a feature which allows you to use. To run both your Mac or iOS devices using just your voice. So the idea is that it's there for navigation, for text entry, for kind of all the things that you would want to do. If you are powering your device using just your voice.  Steven Aquino: Yeah, I saw that on stage, and I have to tell you I got really excited when I saw the accessibility literally icon on stage on the slide and Craig started talking about it.You know and he seemed super enthused about it, and I'm excited to, you know, check it out, and also see what other people have to say about it. Is there anything across watchOS or iOS or tvOS that you're excited about? Sarah Herrlinger: Yeah, one of the things for watchOS which also was mentioned in the keynote today is the noise ap. You know, one of the things I think that is certainly of incredible importance is hearing health and ensuring that we keep our hearing health. And so one of the things now built into the watchOS is an app which will tell you if the ambient noise around you has reached a level that would be harmful to your hearing Health if you remain in it. So the idea being, if you for example happened to be walking past a construction site, that it would let you know that that ambient noise is more than your ears should be taking in and give you that warning to let you know that it would be good to move out of that area.And then will keep track of that in your in the the health app, so that you can kind of have knowledge of kind of the environments that you're in and how they are conducive or not conducive to your hearing health. Steven Aquino: Is that something that has some sort of hooks with the made for iPhone  hearing  aids? You know, if you had a hearing aid, then you had an Apple Watch with that, like somehow, would your hearing aid know that you're in a loud environment somehow?  Sarah Herrlinger:  Well right now the feature is built to support everyone. So it is not specifically tied to your hearing aid. But as a user of the watch you would be getting that information, you know, as would anyone else, but to let you know that as a hearing aid wearer you may want to certainly not do any additional damage and and move out of that area or do what you need to do in order to to keep your hearing health intact.  Steven Aquino: Great. Well, I was really excited when the show first started and Tim talked about tvOS, because I just recently got an Apple TV at home. And I was really excited to see the new UI of the new tvOS. It seems like there's a lot higher contrast. The options look like real buttons, if you look at something like the TV App and Control Center. Is there something with tvOS, that's new that people should know about?Sarah Herrlinger: Well, one of the things I'm excited about is we've done a redesign of Zoom to make it easier to use and easier to kind of control and navigate. So as you move around on the screen that you'll have more more feeling of control as to where they where you're moving across the screen and just an easier and easier time being able  to navigate the device while you have Zoom enabled. So I'm excited about that. I think as well just as the redesigns have happened. I agree. You know, I think as they there's more, as the contrast continues to improve and different ways that things are laid out in the UI. It can be really helpful to support different types of vision challenges.Steven Aquino: Yeah, I know speaking for me, like even the Apple TV UI that we've got now, you know, I find it super helpful to have all the sounds on all the all the movement. So when you hover your thumb over an icon it kind of pops out at you. I think that's super helpful. So, you know, as of Apple TV fan, I was excited when I saw Tim talk about  the new tvOS.Can you talk to us about you know, on a sort of a higher level, as much as you can about like what Apple sort of thought was coming into this WWDC, because I know the last couple of years you've really honed in on the fact that the tent pole features were built for everyone. But as a disabled user myself, it seems like this year you've kind of you've kind of gone all-in on sort of accessibility stuff, for accessibility's sake. Can you kind of talk about sort of your higher level like kind of thoughts on this? Sarah Herrlinger: Oh, I think in general in our goal as a team is always to make sure that everything that we ship we try and make it as accessible as possible. And that is really that foundational part that you were talking about at the start to make sure that anything that's made for everyone to use that really everyone can use it, but on top of that I think we also really try and look at what are additional ways that if we just did anything from a small tweak to an entirely different new type of assistive technology that that would expand people's ability to use our products and you know this year we've just we've had a lot of great things that we've been working on and it just seemed like a good year to kind of come out with a lot of really, some real great innovative new features that we've been, you know working on for a while now and really felt like it was time to get them out to the world. Steven Aquino: Yeah, I have to say, you know, people talk to me about, you know, Apple's accessibility software all the time. And I'm very, you know, forthcoming, that what you guys ship is, you know, deep, and it's it covers a lot of developmental areas, like hearing eyesight, physical. But you know kind of absorbing what you guys announced today and talking with you after the fact.  You guys seem to come up with all these new things that that I didn't even consider. I mean just as an example. We were talking earlier about Hover Text and you know, I've been harping on macOS not having Dynamic Type forever. Here it is Hover Text and it seems like it's not exactly the same thing, but it's in that same sort of vain, and you guys have done it in a really smart way.Sarah Herrlinger: Well, thank you. Yeah. Yeah Hover Text is a brand new feature for the Mac which allows you to hover over text on the screen and by holding down the command key to have that blown up to 128 Point font, if that's the amount you want, all the way to, you know lower levels as well. But larger than what is standard on the screen and I think one of the things we also try and look at as we design is what's the best way to do something on one operating system might be slightly different on another operating system. So in this case rather than just implementing Dynamic Type. The goal of hover text is to be able to open up all of those elements of text on the screen regardless of their size while still keeping the look and feel of the the entire operating system, as it is originally intended, but still give you that flexibility to be able to have that increase in in text size as needed wherever that might be. One of the other things. I love about it that we have is a feature on the Mac is another feature that's speak text under the pointer and when you have those two things hover text and that included you can have giant text in the font type that you would like, in the color you would like, have it spoken back to you if you would like. So, you know in that way, we really try and look at what are all of the possible ways to customize this that would work best for each individual use case.  Steven Aquino: I think that, you know, again like when I first sat down in the hall for the event, and I was getting ready to take, you know, everything in, and I was thinking to myself, if Apple does not announce Dynamic Type on that slide of all the ancillary stuff or I hear about it afterwards, I'm going to be really mad because that's something that I love and you know on iOS and like why should it not be on the Mac. Well in a true Testament to Apple software know, how you guys have again done it in such a way that makes total sense and is unique to the OS but is still in a similar, you know, style sort of, and I think it's super smart.Sarah Herrlinger: Well, thank you. Yeah, it's one of the features. I'm really excited for as well. I think. With so many of the accessibility features. They have great applicability for so many different types of use cases. Even if someone doesn't self-identify into a specific disability type and something like hover text I think can be really valuable for so many users. So we're thrilled to have it out in the world. Steven Aquino: I I kind of want to Circle again to watchOS six. There's a lot there with the hearing stuff, there's a big emphasis on health stuff which you know, I certainly think has accessibility involved in it, too, but I wanted to see like what your thoughts were about the watchOS 6's  new haptic chime feature. Sarah Herrlinger: Yeah, but it's an interesting one because the there's the chime and then there is what we have referred to as taptic time for a while which actually was a voice-over feature for a long time, but it was so popular as a feature that it's been brought out as something for the general public as well.So. That feature to to give you either a vibration to give you the haptic to tell you about to tell the time or to also use a an audio, you know, uh, chime of some sort as well is I think it's a great once again a great feature that can benefit anyone and so being able to very discreetly. Tell time I think it's a really fun new feature to add.I'm excited for that and I'm excited that it's gone from being a voice-over feature to being something that is mainstream. Steven Aquino: I am not a day-to-day voiceover user. My eyesight is such that I don't have to use it but it's so cool that something that came out of VoiceOver which you know the average user wouldn't necessarily hear about, like, has something in it that is that you that take from it and turn it into haptic chime taptic chime. Sarah Herrlinger: Yeah. Absolutely. Steven Aquino: I think that's cool. Sarah Herrlinger: Yeah. I always love when accessibility features become mainstream features or when people find them and they get so excited about them that they start to utilize them in other ways for a feature that actually has been out for a little while, but same type of thing's live listen, Which started off as a feature specifically for made for iPhone hearing aids and now has been added to AirPods and Beats headphones and a number of different areas because it was picked up and you know became valuable and so many use cases.Steven Aquino: You know to that end. I know quite a few people who have used type to Siri as their main way to talk to Siri. I know somebody who is in school, and she uses type to Siri to tells Siri to help her with stuff while she's in class so she doesn't disturb. Sarah Herrlinger: That's a great use case. Yep. Steven Aquino: So, you know and she only found out about it because I told her about it, but be that as it... You know, I think I have gotten through all of my.  Questions. I want to thank you again for stopping by and talking with me before we sign off is is there anything that you'd like to add? Anything at all?Sarah Herrlinger: Well, they got all I always appreciate the opportunity to come and be a part of your podcast. So once again, thank you. Yeah, and I've just encourage people to to open up the accessibility settings.One of the things that we didn't get to but will be I'm eager for people to find and to you know play around with his we moved the accessibility settings up in iOS and watchOS and tvOS. So now instead of being in general settings, they've been moved up to the first level of the settings in the settings app so that they are more easily discoverable and also been been brought into the Buddy sort of set up programs.So if you get a new device and it's walking you through all the different elements around how to setup your device. It gives you the option to set up a bunch of the accessibility features while you're going through that setup process. And so I'm excited for more people to to open settings and go in and play around with some of these and find settings that are beneficial because I think there's such a great element around just customization of your device which comes out of accessibility features and so regardless of what someone might benefit from, great that the features are there and we want people to use them. Steven Aquino: Yeah, and just to sort of tie that home. I think the fact that you, Apple as an institution, have put accessibility on the front lines as it were, and having it be top level in settings and having it be part of the setup, I think it helps the user, right? But I think it says a ton about you as an institution, like it says a lot about you, Apple, how you feel about this and how you feel about serving people who are like me, and as a person with life-long disabilities that means a lot. Sarah Herrlinger: Well, thank you. It is certainly a priority for us and something that we do, you know, we do work on every year and I hope. We always have the chance to keep building out amazing things and surprising and delighting everyone. So I hope people open them up take a look, you know play around send us feedback at accessibility@apple.com. Let us know what you think and we'll keep keep moving forward. Steven Aquino: So Sarah that was an awesome job. I'm so happy that I got to sit here again with you, second year in a row. That was Sarah Herrlinger. She's the senior director of global accessibility policy at Apple. I think I got that right after 6 years. Sarah Herrlinger: That's pretty closeSteven Aquino: Thank you everyone for listening to this special episode of Accessible and we will see you soon. Sarah Herrlinger: Thank you very much. Steven Aquino: Thank you.

Steven interviews Apple's Senior Director of Global Accessibility Policy &amp; Initiatives, Sarah Herrlinger, at Apple’s Word Wide Developers Conference in San Jose. They discuss Apple’s approach to accessibility and many of the new accessibility features announced this year. Show Notes: <a href="https://www.apple.com/apple-events/june-2019/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple’s WWDC Event</a><a href="https://techcrunch.com/2019/06/05/apples-global-accessibility-head-on-the-companys-new-accessibility-features/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Steven’s TechCrunch Article</a>Steven AquinoTwitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/steven_aquino" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@steven_aquino</a>Website: <a href="https://www.stevensblog.co" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">stevensblog.co</a>Timothy BuckTwitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/TimothyBuckSF" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@timothybucksf</a>Website: <a href="https://timothybuck.me" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">timothybuck.me</a>Podcast: <a href="http://unco.fm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">unco.fm</a><h2>Episode Transcript</h2>Timothy Buck: Hello everyone. Welcome to Accessible, a podcast about accessibility in tech. I'm your host Timothy Buck. I'm super excited to introduce this episode. It's a really special one. My co-host Steven Aquino had the honor and pleasure of recording an interview with Apple's Senior Director of Accessibility at WWDC again this year, but before we jump into the show, we went to remind you that we have a Patreon over at <a href="http://patreon.com/accessible" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">patreon.com/accessible</a>. If you want to hear more from us, please support us on Patreon. It's a huge help. Without further ado. Here's the interview. Steven Aquino: Hi Sarah. Sarah Herrlinger: Hello Stephen!Sound Person: All right, so we're already recording. So go ahead and feel free to start whenever you’d like.  Steven Aquino: Great. Okay.Well welcome to episode 12 of Accessible. I'm your host Steve Aquino, and I am here in San Jose at WWDC. We had the Keynote this morning with iOS 13 and watchOS and everything else. And right now I am with once again Apple's... Sarah your title is very long. Sarah Herrlinger: Yes. I'm the Director of Global Accessibility Policy Initiatives for Apple.Steven Aquino: Yes. So Sarah I had you here last year, and we talked about what was new then. Hoping that you could kind of run us through some of the highlights of what is new.Sarah Herrlinger: Absolutely, and it is a pleasure to be back on your podcast. This is my second time doing it, and I always enjoy being able to spend time with you and do this.  So, thank you. Steven Aquino: Thank you so much. Sarah Herrlinger: So yeah, this is it's a big year for us. We have a lot of really wonderful features to bring out to the world and we're really excited.One of the things that we always try and do is to give some love to all of our operating systems and to all different types of users of our technology. So hopefully there's something in the operating systems to surprise and delight everyone. And so I definitely encourage folks when they get access to, whether they are people who download beta builds and start to give us feedback early, which we always love, or people who wait till the final release. But hopefully, you know, you'll find some things as you're moving around in the operating system and you'll find new fun features that are there for everyone.Steven Aquino: So are there features that, and it doesn't matter which platform, but are there some things that are new that really stand out as your favorites? Sarah Herrlinger: Yeah, well, gosh, two of them that we talked about during the keynote today in different operating systems. One is a new feature called Voice Control, which is available in both macOS and iOS, and it is a feature which allows you to use. To run both your Mac or iOS devices using just your voice. So the idea is that it's there for navigation, for text entry, for kind of all the things that you would want to do. If you are powering your device using just your voice.  Steven Aquino: Yeah, I saw that on stage, and I have to tell you I got really excited when I saw the accessibility literally icon on stage on the slide and Craig started talking about it.You know and he seemed super enthused about it, and I'm excited to, you know, check it out, and also see what other people have to say about it. Is there anything across watchOS or iOS or tvOS that you're excited about? Sarah Herrlinger: Yeah, one of the things for watchOS which also was mentioned in the keynote today is the noise ap. You know, one of the things I think that is certainly of incredible importance is hearing health and ensuring that we keep our hearing health. And so one of the things now built into the watchOS is an app which will tell you if the ambient noise around you has reached a level that would be harmful to your hearing Health if you remain in it. So the idea being, if you for example happened to be walking past a construction site, that it would let you know that that ambient noise is more than your ears should be taking in and give you that warning to let you know that it would be good to move out of that area.And then will keep track of that in your in the the health app, so that you can kind of have knowledge of kind of the environments that you're in and how they are conducive or not conducive to your hearing health. Steven Aquino: Is that something that has some sort of hooks with the made for iPhone  hearing  aids? You know, if you had a hearing aid, then you had an Apple Watch with that, like somehow, would your hearing aid know that you're in a loud environment somehow?  Sarah Herrlinger:  Well right now the feature is built to support everyone. So it is not specifically tied to your hearing aid. But as a user of the watch you would be getting that information, you know, as would anyone else, but to let you know that as a hearing aid wearer you may want to certainly not do any additional damage and and move out of that area or do what you need to do in order to to keep your hearing health intact.  Steven Aquino: Great. Well, I was really excited when the show first started and Tim talked about tvOS, because I just recently got an Apple TV at home. And I was really excited to see the new UI of the new tvOS. It seems like there's a lot higher contrast. The options look like real buttons, if you look at something like the TV App and Control Center. Is there something with tvOS, that's new that people should know about?Sarah Herrlinger: Well, one of the things I'm excited about is we've done a redesign of Zoom to make it easier to use and easier to kind of control and navigate. So as you move around on the screen that you'll have more more feeling of control as to where they where you're moving across the screen and just an easier and easier time being able  to navigate the device while you have Zoom enabled. So I'm excited about that. I think as well just as the redesigns have happened. I agree. You know, I think as they there's more, as the contrast continues to improve and different ways that things are laid out in the UI. It can be really helpful to support different types of vision challenges.Steven Aquino: Yeah, I know speaking for me, like even the Apple TV UI that we've got now, you know, I find it super helpful to have all the sounds on all the all the movement. So when you hover your thumb over an icon it kind of pops out at you. I think that's super helpful. So, you know, as of Apple TV fan, I was excited when I saw Tim talk about  the new tvOS.Can you talk to us about you know, on a sort of a higher level, as much as you can about like what Apple sort of thought was coming into this WWDC, because I know the last couple of years you've really honed in on the fact that the tent pole features were built for everyone. But as a disabled user myself, it seems like this year you've kind of you've kind of gone all-in on sort of accessibility stuff, for accessibility's sake. Can you kind of talk about sort of your higher level like kind of thoughts on this? Sarah Herrlinger: Oh, I think in general in our goal as a team is always to make sure that everything that we ship we try and make it as accessible as possible. And that is really that foundational part that you were talking about at the start to make sure that anything that's made for everyone to use that really everyone can use it, but on top of that I think we also really try and look at what are additional ways that if we just did anything from a small tweak to an entirely different new type of assistive technology that that would expand people's ability to use our products and you know this year we've just we've had a lot of great things that we've been working on and it just seemed like a good year to kind of come out with a lot of really, some real great innovative new features that we've been, you know working on for a while now and really felt like it was time to get them out to the world. Steven Aquino: Yeah, I have to say, you know, people talk to me about, you know, Apple's accessibility software all the time. And I'm very, you know, forthcoming, that what you guys ship is, you know, deep, and it's it covers a lot of developmental areas, like hearing eyesight, physical. But you know kind of absorbing what you guys announced today and talking with you after the fact.  You guys seem to come up with all these new things that that I didn't even consider. I mean just as an example. We were talking earlier about Hover Text and you know, I've been harping on macOS not having Dynamic Type forever. Here it is Hover Text and it seems like it's not exactly the same thing, but it's in that same sort of vain, and you guys have done it in a really smart way.Sarah Herrlinger: Well, thank you. Yeah. Yeah Hover Text is a brand new feature for the Mac which allows you to hover over text on the screen and by holding down the command key to have that blown up to 128 Point font, if that's the amount you want, all the way to, you know lower levels as well. But larger than what is standard on the screen and I think one of the things we also try and look at as we design is what's the best way to do something on one operating system might be slightly different on another operating system. So in this case rather than just implementing Dynamic Type. The goal of hover text is to be able to open up all of those elements of text on the screen regardless of their size while still keeping the look and feel of the the entire operating system, as it is originally intended, but still give you that flexibility to be able to have that increase in in text size as needed wherever that might be. One of the other things. I love about it that we have is a feature on the Mac is another feature that's speak text under the pointer and when you have those two things hover text and that included you can have giant text in the font type that you would like, in the color you would like, have it spoken back to you if you would like. So, you know in that way, we really try and look at what are all of the possible ways to customize this that would work best for each individual use case.  Steven Aquino: I think that, you know, again like when I first sat down in the hall for the event, and I was getting ready to take, you know, everything in, and I was thinking to myself, if Apple does not announce Dynamic Type on that slide of all the ancillary stuff or I hear about it afterwards, I'm going to be really mad because that's something that I love and you know on iOS and like why should it not be on the Mac. Well in a true Testament to Apple software know, how you guys have again done it in such a way that makes total sense and is unique to the OS but is still in a similar, you know, style sort of, and I think it's super smart.Sarah Herrlinger: Well, thank you. Yeah, it's one of the features. I'm really excited for as well. I think. With so many of the accessibility features. They have great applicability for so many different types of use cases. Even if someone doesn't self-identify into a specific disability type and something like hover text I think can be really valuable for so many users. So we're thrilled to have it out in the world. Steven Aquino: I I kind of want to Circle again to watchOS six. There's a lot there with the hearing stuff, there's a big emphasis on health stuff which you know, I certainly think has accessibility involved in it, too, but I wanted to see like what your thoughts were about the watchOS 6's  new haptic chime feature. Sarah Herrlinger: Yeah, but it's an interesting one because the there's the chime and then there is what we have referred to as taptic time for a while which actually was a voice-over feature for a long time, but it was so popular as a feature that it's been brought out as something for the general public as well.So. That feature to to give you either a vibration to give you the haptic to tell you about to tell the time or to also use a an audio, you know, uh, chime of some sort as well is I think it's a great once again a great feature that can benefit anyone and so being able to very discreetly. Tell time I think it's a really fun new feature to add.I'm excited for that and I'm excited that it's gone from being a voice-over feature to being something that is mainstream. Steven Aquino: I am not a day-to-day voiceover user. My eyesight is such that I don't have to use it but it's so cool that something that came out of VoiceOver which you know the average user wouldn't necessarily hear about, like, has something in it that is that you that take from it and turn it into haptic chime taptic chime. Sarah Herrlinger: Yeah. Absolutely. Steven Aquino: I think that's cool. Sarah Herrlinger: Yeah. I always love when accessibility features become mainstream features or when people find them and they get so excited about them that they start to utilize them in other ways for a feature that actually has been out for a little while, but same type of thing's live listen, Which started off as a feature specifically for made for iPhone hearing aids and now has been added to AirPods and Beats headphones and a number of different areas because it was picked up and you know became valuable and so many use cases.Steven Aquino: You know to that end. I know quite a few people who have used type to Siri as their main way to talk to Siri. I know somebody who is in school, and she uses type to Siri to tells Siri to help her with stuff while she's in class so she doesn't disturb. Sarah Herrlinger: That's a great use case. Yep. Steven Aquino: So, you know and she only found out about it because I told her about it, but be that as it... You know, I think I have gotten through all of my.  Questions. I want to thank you again for stopping by and talking with me before we sign off is is there anything that you'd like to add? Anything at all?Sarah Herrlinger: Well, they got all I always appreciate the opportunity to come and be a part of your podcast. So once again, thank you. Yeah, and I've just encourage people to to open up the accessibility settings.One of the things that we didn't get to but will be I'm eager for people to find and to you know play around with his we moved the accessibility settings up in iOS and watchOS and tvOS. So now instead of being in general settings, they've been moved up to the first level of the settings in the settings app so that they are more easily discoverable and also been been brought into the Buddy sort of set up programs.So if you get a new device and it's walking you through all the different elements around how to setup your device. It gives you the option to set up a bunch of the accessibility features while you're going through that setup process. And so I'm excited for more people to to open settings and go in and play around with some of these and find settings that are beneficial because I think there's such a great element around just customization of your device which comes out of accessibility features and so regardless of what someone might benefit from, great that the features are there and we want people to use them. Steven Aquino: Yeah, and just to sort of tie that home. I think the fact that you, Apple as an institution, have put accessibility on the front lines as it were, and having it be top level in settings and having it be part of the setup, I think it helps the user, right? But I think it says a ton about you as an institution, like it says a lot about you, Apple, how you feel about this and how you feel about serving people who are like me, and as a person with life-long disabilities that means a lot. Sarah Herrlinger: Well, thank you. It is certainly a priority for us and something that we do, you know, we do work on every year and I hope. We always have the chance to keep building out amazing things and surprising and delighting everyone. So I hope people open them up take a look, you know play around send us feedback at <a href="mailto:accessibility@apple.com">accessibility@apple.com</a>. Let us know what you think and we'll keep keep moving forward. Steven Aquino: So Sarah that was an awesome job. I'm so happy that I got to sit here again with you, second year in a row. That was Sarah Herrlinger. She's the senior director of global accessibility policy at Apple. I think I got that right after 6 years. Sarah Herrlinger: That's pretty closeSteven Aquino: Thank you everyone for listening to this special episode of Accessible and we will see you soon. Sarah Herrlinger: Thank you very much. Steven Aquino: Thank you.

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Steven and Timothy talk about the new season of Accessible, where it’s headed, what’s going to change, and what they want to keep the same. Steven goes deep for a minute about why we took a break from the show. He shares some stories from Apple’s subscription event, including being a few feet from J.J. Abrams. And that’s just the beginning. Show Notes: Three Things About Apple's New Services That Matter for AccessibilityThe Future of PodcastsSteven AquinoTwitter: @steven_aquinoWebsite: stevensblog.coTimothy BuckTwitter: @timothybucksfWebsite: timothybuck.mePodcast: unco.fmEpisode TranscriptSteven Aquino: Hi everyone. My name is Steven Aquino and this is Season 2 Episode 1 of Accessible, and with me as always is my friend and co-host Timothy Buck. How are you Tim? Timothy Buck: I'm doing really well. I'm excited to be back at the show. I've missed it, honestly. It's a lot of fun to make. Steven Aquino: Yeah, I just checked my site. And the last time we posted a show and the last time I wrote a thing on the site was October 1st.Timothy Buck: Wow Steven Aquino: Over six months. So we're gonna just take this quote-unquote show and kind of talk about you know, where we've been for the last six months and what we're doing with the show and kind of touch on what's been happening in the Apple world, in the tech world. And yeah, so.  I guess all I can say to start is 2018 was a hard year, and it got even harder towards the end of the year.So we last recorded in October. I had to deal with some pretty serious family health issues here at home and at the beginning of the year. Well. On Christmas, I had a family emergency here at home, and we went to the hospital, and at the beginning of January that family member died, and I've been coping with that ever since and as I write this it's been about three and a half months since since everything happened and it's been hard and. That's why you haven't heard from me do the show and I kind of felt like in between trying to get my head on with work stuff and I thought that I should try to get back into the show. And here I am. And I kind of feel like I'm rambling here because it's kind of hard to talk about but.  Timothy Buck: No, you're fine, man.Steven Aquino: You know Tim like, you know, kind of help me out here. Like what do you were here? Like, what's what's on tap here? For season 2. Timothy Buck: Yeah, I guess first. I you already know this. I've told you this before but it is good that you took time. And I just want to say that again and also say that I'm glad that you're back. I think this show is an important show to make and there are people out there who have really found it helpful. And I think now that you are back. It's exciting to me that we can begin making it again and I think there are people out there who are excited to begin listening again, and I guess just welcome back man.I'm glad that we were recording again and I'm excited about where this new season is going to go. We're calling the season 2. There are some things that we are thinking of changing but a lot about the show is going to stay the same. Do you want to talk about that? Little bit Steven?Steven Aquino: So we have some ideas for what to do with this season, but the general, you know, high high scope sort of ideas going to stay the same.We're going to record every other week. So you'll hopefully get two episodes of month and. We are still going to be focused on Apple but. Are going to try to broaden our scope more to talk about the tech industry at large and other tech companies as well.Timothy Buck: Yeah, we kind of did that some in season 1 for some of the episodes. I remember we talked a little bit about. How Microsoft was doing some really cool stuff with their new Xbox controller and the packaging they used around that and I don't remember but they were they were a couple things like that that I thought were fun to talk about and we're accessibility specific things that are important to talk about so, I don't know Steve and I were talking before the show started and that was one of the things that we wanted to kind of... I don't know how that's going to look but we want to do that a little bit more. So if there are things that you all know about or you'd like us to talk about definitely reach out tweet at us. Let us know that you know something that that some other company out there other than Apple is doing that's good for accessibility. We'd love to hear about it and talk about it. Steven Aquino: Yeah, and you know, I've I've done a lot if you've seen. On Twitter trying to talk up other companies who are doing well like Microsoft and and of course Twitter and so yeah, if you hear if you hear anything or want us to talk about something hit us up.So with all that sort of housekeeping out of the way.  I kind of wanted to give a quick update kind of you know, I like I said, I haven't really done a whole lot these last several months.  Apple sent me a 12 point 9 inch iPad. In December and it's sat in my living room in the shipping container for three and a half months or something because I was you know, it was hectic with all the home stuff and I finally took it out a couple weeks ago.Kind of did some stuff with it and I'm still kind of getting my head around it, but the short of it is that it's awesome that the hardware is awesome the smartfolio is awesome. I'm enjoying that because it covers the front and the. Back as well and so as I get some more time with it, I will talk about it here on the show. The other thing I did go to Apple's March 25th event down in Cupertino, I went to their event where they had Steven Spielberg and Oprah. Talked about all the new Services. Timothy Buck: How close are you Ted to all the celebrities here on stage?  Steven Aquino: Well when I was in the audience, I was not that close when we were done and I was outside just kind of hanging out talking to some people. I was like 10 feet maybe five feet from JJ Abrams. Timothy Buck: Nice. That's pretty cool. Steven Aquino: JJ Abrams was in a big herd of people and taking selfies and stuff. I did not get a chance or else I would have but I about five ten feet away from JJ Abrams.So I did write a story for I more about my thoughts on that event and we'll put that in the notes. But boy that was a hard story to write because my head still not you know in the game. As it were and took me a long time to write that article, but hopefully people enjoyed it. I haven't heard anything about it.So I don't know but it's out there it was published aouple weeks ago, I think. I can't remember. Timothy Buck: Yeah. Yeah, I think it was published the day I came over to your house for coffee. Steven Aquino: Okay. All right.Timothy Buck: I remember you telling me when I was over.Steven Aquino: So ya we'll put that in the notes. The other things kind of tangentially going on with me, as far as, you know, everything goes, kind of stuff we can talk about on the show. As you can see Tim. I'm kind of doing this on the Fly.  Timothy Buck: Yeah, it's fine. Steven Aquino: Um.  I am outfitting our house with a bunch of HomeKit stuff. Well HomeKit, and then smart home stuff. So like Tim you've come over like you know that we have a nest thermostat and a Nest smoke alarm and I got some Hue stuff last week and and I actually got me a PS4 to. I figure that out. Timothy Buck: Oh. Woah. When did you get that?Steven Aquino: A couple weeks ago. I got it because I thought it would take my mind off of stuff. So. Timothy Buck: Have you been able to play it very much?Steven Aquino: Yeah, I've done some of it, and it's going to be interesting to talk about from an accessibility angle, which we can save for another show, but you know. Sony, for the people who know about PS4, Sony has accessibility options in the first screen like the main screen.  It's good, you know, they their stuff is good. Like there's a handful of options and they seem to be fine. But like in terms of like the actual content itself like. Third-party developers have a long way to go to support accessibility. Like I don't know anything about Sony's API's or anything, but let's just say like I have to sit like two feet in front of my 65-inch 4K TV to see anything. So that sucks. But hey, it's 4K and it looks awesome. Right? I don't know. But yeah, so those are kind of things that are happening with me.I do want to talk about the smart home stuff. I want to talk about the Apple TV. I got an Apple TV in November.And that was my first time having one so it's been interesting getting to know that.  And so there's a lot I think that we'll be able to talk about you know in between now and like June. Timothy Buck: Yeah. I'm just taking notes on what you said. We've got a PS4 and accessibility. Accessibility and smart home stuff. The iPad Pro kind of like a deeper dive on your sights on that. And then the Apple TV with a 4K TV, the accessibility thoughts on that as well. So that's that's quite a bit to dive deep into over to the next few episodes. Steven Aquino: Yeah, we've got some good stuff to talk about. And you know as I say, like, we are just trying to keep the same sort of show. We had some good feedback about the last season, you know, I had Sarah Herrlinger on at WWDC. and that was a huge hit and you know, all of our other episodes we had people on the the show if you guys want to go check it out. You can go to accessible.fm, and all of our past episodes are there. Timothy Buck: Yeah, I think one of the things that I really enjoyed was was having other people on so like the Sarah episode was really really good and we had Rene Ritchie on and I thought that was a really fun episode.And so that's an one of the things that we've talked about doing a little bit more in season 2. It's not going to be every single episode. But if there are people that you'd like us to have conversations with let us know tweet at us and we'll we'll think about it and we'll let you know when we're going to have have people on. Steven Aquino: I should say looking at our our notes of people who we want on the show. There are several of these folks, who are at Apple now, so I don't know how well that's good going to be but you know, we will get people.So Tim, I kind of feel like I've talked a lot. Do you want to jump in and kind of you know add anything? Timothy Buck: Yeah, I'm trying to think. Honestly, I think this episode is mostly going to be a catch-up for those of you who listened to season one and wanted to see more coming from us. I don't think we're going to dive too deep into any topics today, but we just wanted to get something out the door. And kind of get get back into a rhythm of recording regularly and getting things released for accessible and like we've said I think season 1 was successful, but for good reason we had to take a break and we're both excited to be back.We want to keep this show around and we want to make it better and better and if you guys can give us feedback on how to do that. Let us know if there are people you want us to have on the show. Let us know if there are topics that we're not thinking about that you think would be really important for us to cover all of that kind of stuff would be great because we want to make a truly a truly good.Show that you all enjoy that informs you that's fun. And I think that's possible. We just kind of got to get back in the swing of things here. And and and yeah, I guess I guess that's kind of all I'm looking at our notes and stuff. I'm excited that we we already have a list of things that we can cover, and I think those those are going to be some really interesting conversations to dive into and they're things that people are interested in and then basically by the time that those episodes are completed we're going to run into Apple season. We've got WWDC coming relatively soon and no idea if we'll be able to have a more interviews with Apple people, but that would be awesome if we can make that happen and even if we can't we'll we'll try to have people on from the Apple Community to talk about this. So I think honestly, I'm just excited to be back doing this and it's going to be a lot of fun to record and to produce into to share with the world. And and and I feel like I'm rambling now at this point, but it's just a it's a show that I believe in. I think it's important and. And I just want to see it succeed not not so that we make any money but because I think the  purpose of it is so good. And that's actually part of why I want to talk about more than just Apple and accessibility because I want to highlight the good things that are being done in accessibility across the board.Like I'm thinking of a kind of like you've been tweeting a good bit regularly about Twitter and some of the really good stuff they've done for accessibility and Apple and how often times they get a bad rap for not innovating at all. And when you point to the accessibility stuff that they've done that literally nobody else has done that is a really really important type of innovation that we need to give them props for.Because we want to incentivize that in these types of businesses and the more we can become a place that that shares those things, what's going really well and maybe things that aren't going so well on these these large important platforms and companies that are impacting, you know hundreds of millions, if not billions of people, that can be that can be really powerful and especially because so. The other people who do listen to the show are Engineers or Technical and some way working in product or at companies that build software opening their eyes to some of the things that can be done in accessibility and some of the ideas and concepts. that should be thought about when you're building products is. It is really important. We may never know the name of the company that somebody works for or and we may never use their product. But if, if they, if a listener out, there can be encouraged to think about accessibility as they build their SaaS app that you and I never use that is a success, you know that is that is a benefit that is a goal of this show is to get the idea of accessibility and building accessible software and Hardware out into the world. And for those people who are listening who have any sort of impact on that. I would just say. Please take the time to think about those sort of things as you build those products.  Steven Aquino: Yeah, those those are all good points and to Echo what you said to him? I'm happy to be here. You know, I'm happy to be back. I wouldn't necessarily say I'm jumping in headfirst, but you know, this is good for me and a couple of things I just wanted to add. I'm excited about because I had to do a bit of stuff to before we started. This is the first episode of the show that I'm recording on over fiber. We got fiber at our house at the beginning of April. And I had to update macOS 10, and I had to do all sorts of other things before I started today. It was a huge pain in the butt, but the fiber either net has been super strong and hopefully my uploads and will be. You know good and Tim won't have to wait days for audio. The other thing is. I forgot what the other thing was. Timothy Buck: I was going to say. I think this is the first episode where your mic is. Is correctly set up. Steven Aquino: Oh, yes. Yes. Timothy Buck: So yes, it was funny. We were trying to figure out why the audio quality kept going like it just never was exactly the same like we have the exact same Mike and we had the exact same settings on everything but for some reason Steven's audio quality was just not good and I think we have that fixed now.Steven Aquino: Yes, I think so. I hope so. Timothy Buck: Yeah fingers crossed. I haven't looked at the results of this recording yet. But I hope it's better. Steven Aquino: So Tim, I think that's good for now. I think we covered everything that we that we wanted to cover.  So with that said we will see you back in a fortnight.You can find me online on Twitter at steven_aquino, and you can find Timothy at timothybucksf. You can find the Show at _accessblfm, and and accessible.fm is our site. Go listen to season 2 of our sister show, UNCO, that just started. Timothy Buck: Yeah, that's been a lot of fun to record. If you haven't heard season two of my other show. UNCO is I'm making series and so by the time this goes out the door.I think the whole first series will have been released. It's called the future of Podcasts, and in the first series I talked with Stephen Hackett, Zac Khan, and Carolina Milanesi about the future of podcasts and that that has been a really fun show to produce and it's been doing really well. So if you're interested definitely go check that out at unco.fm.

Steven and Timothy talk about the new season of Accessible, where it’s headed, what’s going to change, and what they want to keep the same. Steven goes deep for a minute about why we took a break from the show. He shares some stories from Apple’s subscription event, including being a few feet from J.J. Abrams. And that’s just the beginning. Show Notes: <a href="https://www.imore.com/three-things-about-apples-new-services-matter-accessibility" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Three Things About Apple's New Services That Matter for Accessibility</a><a href="https://unco.fm/the-future-of-podcasts" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Future of Podcasts</a>Steven AquinoTwitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/steven_aquino" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@steven_aquino</a>Website: <a href="https://www.stevensblog.co" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">stevensblog.co</a>Timothy BuckTwitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/TimothyBuckSF" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@timothybucksf</a>Website: <a href="https://timothybuck.me" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">timothybuck.me</a>Podcast: <a href="http://unco.fm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">unco.fm</a><h2>Episode Transcript</h2>Steven Aquino: Hi everyone. My name is Steven Aquino and this is Season 2 Episode 1 of Accessible, and with me as always is my friend and co-host Timothy Buck. How are you Tim? Timothy Buck: I'm doing really well. I'm excited to be back at the show. I've missed it, honestly. It's a lot of fun to make. Steven Aquino: Yeah, I just checked my site. And the last time we posted a show and the last time I wrote a thing on the site was October 1st.Timothy Buck: Wow Steven Aquino: Over six months. So we're gonna just take this quote-unquote show and kind of talk about you know, where we've been for the last six months and what we're doing with the show and kind of touch on what's been happening in the Apple world, in the tech world. And yeah, so.  I guess all I can say to start is 2018 was a hard year, and it got even harder towards the end of the year.So we last recorded in October. I had to deal with some pretty serious family health issues here at home and at the beginning of the year. Well. On Christmas, I had a family emergency here at home, and we went to the hospital, and at the beginning of January that family member died, and I've been coping with that ever since and as I write this it's been about three and a half months since since everything happened and it's been hard and. That's why you haven't heard from me do the show and I kind of felt like in between trying to get my head on with work stuff and I thought that I should try to get back into the show. And here I am. And I kind of feel like I'm rambling here because it's kind of hard to talk about but.  Timothy Buck: No, you're fine, man.Steven Aquino: You know Tim like, you know, kind of help me out here. Like what do you were here? Like, what's what's on tap here? For season 2. Timothy Buck: Yeah, I guess first. I you already know this. I've told you this before but it is good that you took time. And I just want to say that again and also say that I'm glad that you're back. I think this show is an important show to make and there are people out there who have really found it helpful. And I think now that you are back. It's exciting to me that we can begin making it again and I think there are people out there who are excited to begin listening again, and I guess just welcome back man.I'm glad that we were recording again and I'm excited about where this new season is going to go. We're calling the season 2. There are some things that we are thinking of changing but a lot about the show is going to stay the same. Do you want to talk about that? Little bit Steven?Steven Aquino: So we have some ideas for what to do with this season, but the general, you know, high high scope sort of ideas going to stay the same.We're going to record every other week. So you'll hopefully get two episodes of month and. We are still going to be focused on Apple but. Are going to try to broaden our scope more to talk about the tech industry at large and other tech companies as well.Timothy Buck: Yeah, we kind of did that some in season 1 for some of the episodes. I remember we talked a little bit about. How Microsoft was doing some really cool stuff with their new Xbox controller and the packaging they used around that and I don't remember but they were they were a couple things like that that I thought were fun to talk about and we're accessibility specific things that are important to talk about so, I don't know Steve and I were talking before the show started and that was one of the things that we wanted to kind of... I don't know how that's going to look but we want to do that a little bit more. So if there are things that you all know about or you'd like us to talk about definitely reach out tweet at us. Let us know that you know something that that some other company out there other than Apple is doing that's good for accessibility. We'd love to hear about it and talk about it. Steven Aquino: Yeah, and you know, I've I've done a lot if you've seen. On Twitter trying to talk up other companies who are doing well like Microsoft and and of course Twitter and so yeah, if you hear if you hear anything or want us to talk about something hit us up.So with all that sort of housekeeping out of the way.  I kind of wanted to give a quick update kind of you know, I like I said, I haven't really done a whole lot these last several months.  Apple sent me a 12 point 9 inch iPad. In December and it's sat in my living room in the shipping container for three and a half months or something because I was you know, it was hectic with all the home stuff and I finally took it out a couple weeks ago.Kind of did some stuff with it and I'm still kind of getting my head around it, but the short of it is that it's awesome that the hardware is awesome the smartfolio is awesome. I'm enjoying that because it covers the front and the. Back as well and so as I get some more time with it, I will talk about it here on the show. The other thing I did go to Apple's March 25th event down in Cupertino, I went to their event where they had Steven Spielberg and Oprah. Talked about all the new Services. Timothy Buck: How close are you Ted to all the celebrities here on stage?  Steven Aquino: Well when I was in the audience, I was not that close when we were done and I was outside just kind of hanging out talking to some people. I was like 10 feet maybe five feet from JJ Abrams. Timothy Buck: Nice. That's pretty cool. Steven Aquino: JJ Abrams was in a big herd of people and taking selfies and stuff. I did not get a chance or else I would have but I about five ten feet away from JJ Abrams.So I did write a story for I more about my thoughts on that event and we'll put that in the notes. But boy that was a hard story to write because my head still not you know in the game. As it were and took me a long time to write that article, but hopefully people enjoyed it. I haven't heard anything about it.So I don't know but it's out there it was published aouple weeks ago, I think. I can't remember. Timothy Buck: Yeah. Yeah, I think it was published the day I came over to your house for coffee. Steven Aquino: Okay. All right.Timothy Buck: I remember you telling me when I was over.Steven Aquino: So ya we'll put that in the notes. The other things kind of tangentially going on with me, as far as, you know, everything goes, kind of stuff we can talk about on the show. As you can see Tim. I'm kind of doing this on the Fly.  Timothy Buck: Yeah, it's fine. Steven Aquino: Um.  I am outfitting our house with a bunch of HomeKit stuff. Well HomeKit, and then smart home stuff. So like Tim you've come over like you know that we have a nest thermostat and a Nest smoke alarm and I got some Hue stuff last week and and I actually got me a PS4 to. I figure that out. Timothy Buck: Oh. Woah. When did you get that?Steven Aquino: A couple weeks ago. I got it because I thought it would take my mind off of stuff. So. Timothy Buck: Have you been able to play it very much?Steven Aquino: Yeah, I've done some of it, and it's going to be interesting to talk about from an accessibility angle, which we can save for another show, but you know. Sony, for the people who know about PS4, Sony has accessibility options in the first screen like the main screen.  It's good, you know, they their stuff is good. Like there's a handful of options and they seem to be fine. But like in terms of like the actual content itself like. Third-party developers have a long way to go to support accessibility. Like I don't know anything about Sony's API's or anything, but let's just say like I have to sit like two feet in front of my 65-inch 4K TV to see anything. So that sucks. But hey, it's 4K and it looks awesome. Right? I don't know. But yeah, so those are kind of things that are happening with me.I do want to talk about the smart home stuff. I want to talk about the Apple TV. I got an Apple TV in November.And that was my first time having one so it's been interesting getting to know that.  And so there's a lot I think that we'll be able to talk about you know in between now and like June. Timothy Buck: Yeah. I'm just taking notes on what you said. We've got a PS4 and accessibility. Accessibility and smart home stuff. The iPad Pro kind of like a deeper dive on your sights on that. And then the Apple TV with a 4K TV, the accessibility thoughts on that as well. So that's that's quite a bit to dive deep into over to the next few episodes. Steven Aquino: Yeah, we've got some good stuff to talk about. And you know as I say, like, we are just trying to keep the same sort of show. We had some good feedback about the last season, you know, I had Sarah Herrlinger on at WWDC. and that was a huge hit and you know, all of our other episodes we had people on the the show if you guys want to go check it out. You can go to <a href="http://accessible.fm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">accessible.fm</a>, and all of our past episodes are there. Timothy Buck: Yeah, I think one of the things that I really enjoyed was was having other people on so like the Sarah episode was really really good and we had Rene Ritchie on and I thought that was a really fun episode.And so that's an one of the things that we've talked about doing a little bit more in season 2. It's not going to be every single episode. But if there are people that you'd like us to have conversations with let us know tweet at us and we'll we'll think about it and we'll let you know when we're going to have have people on. Steven Aquino: I should say looking at our our notes of people who we want on the show. There are several of these folks, who are at Apple now, so I don't know how well that's good going to be but you know, we will get people.So Tim, I kind of feel like I've talked a lot. Do you want to jump in and kind of you know add anything? Timothy Buck: Yeah, I'm trying to think. Honestly, I think this episode is mostly going to be a catch-up for those of you who listened to season one and wanted to see more coming from us. I don't think we're going to dive too deep into any topics today, but we just wanted to get something out the door. And kind of get get back into a rhythm of recording regularly and getting things released for accessible and like we've said I think season 1 was successful, but for good reason we had to take a break and we're both excited to be back.We want to keep this show around and we want to make it better and better and if you guys can give us feedback on how to do that. Let us know if there are people you want us to have on the show. Let us know if there are topics that we're not thinking about that you think would be really important for us to cover all of that kind of stuff would be great because we want to make a truly a truly good.Show that you all enjoy that informs you that's fun. And I think that's possible. We just kind of got to get back in the swing of things here. And and and yeah, I guess I guess that's kind of all I'm looking at our notes and stuff. I'm excited that we we already have a list of things that we can cover, and I think those those are going to be some really interesting conversations to dive into and they're things that people are interested in and then basically by the time that those episodes are completed we're going to run into Apple season. We've got WWDC coming relatively soon and no idea if we'll be able to have a more interviews with Apple people, but that would be awesome if we can make that happen and even if we can't we'll we'll try to have people on from the Apple Community to talk about this. So I think honestly, I'm just excited to be back doing this and it's going to be a lot of fun to record and to produce into to share with the world. And and and I feel like I'm rambling now at this point, but it's just a it's a show that I believe in. I think it's important and. And I just want to see it succeed not not so that we make any money but because I think the  purpose of it is so good. And that's actually part of why I want to talk about more than just Apple and accessibility because I want to highlight the good things that are being done in accessibility across the board.Like I'm thinking of a kind of like you've been tweeting a good bit regularly about Twitter and some of the really good stuff they've done for accessibility and Apple and how often times they get a bad rap for not innovating at all. And when you point to the accessibility stuff that they've done that literally nobody else has done that is a really really important type of innovation that we need to give them props for.Because we want to incentivize that in these types of businesses and the more we can become a place that that shares those things, what's going really well and maybe things that aren't going so well on these these large important platforms and companies that are impacting, you know hundreds of millions, if not billions of people, that can be that can be really powerful and especially because so. The other people who do listen to the show are Engineers or Technical and some way working in product or at companies that build software opening their eyes to some of the things that can be done in accessibility and some of the ideas and concepts. that should be thought about when you're building products is. It is really important. We may never know the name of the company that somebody works for or and we may never use their product. But if, if they, if a listener out, there can be encouraged to think about accessibility as they build their SaaS app that you and I never use that is a success, you know that is that is a benefit that is a goal of this show is to get the idea of accessibility and building accessible software and Hardware out into the world. And for those people who are listening who have any sort of impact on that. I would just say. Please take the time to think about those sort of things as you build those products.  Steven Aquino: Yeah, those those are all good points and to Echo what you said to him? I'm happy to be here. You know, I'm happy to be back. I wouldn't necessarily say I'm jumping in headfirst, but you know, this is good for me and a couple of things I just wanted to add. I'm excited about because I had to do a bit of stuff to before we started. This is the first episode of the show that I'm recording on over fiber. We got fiber at our house at the beginning of April. And I had to update macOS 10, and I had to do all sorts of other things before I started today. It was a huge pain in the butt, but the fiber either net has been super strong and hopefully my uploads and will be. You know good and Tim won't have to wait days for audio. The other thing is. I forgot what the other thing was. Timothy Buck: I was going to say. I think this is the first episode where your mic is. Is correctly set up. Steven Aquino: Oh, yes. Yes. Timothy Buck: So yes, it was funny. We were trying to figure out why the audio quality kept going like it just never was exactly the same like we have the exact same Mike and we had the exact same settings on everything but for some reason Steven's audio quality was just not good and I think we have that fixed now.Steven Aquino: Yes, I think so. I hope so. Timothy Buck: Yeah fingers crossed. I haven't looked at the results of this recording yet. But I hope it's better. Steven Aquino: So Tim, I think that's good for now. I think we covered everything that we that we wanted to cover.  So with that said we will see you back in a fortnight.You can find me online on Twitter at steven_aquino, and you can find Timothy at timothybucksf. You can find the Show at _accessblfm, and and <a href="http://accessible.fm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">accessible.fm</a> is our site. Go listen to season 2 of our sister show, UNCO, that just started. Timothy Buck: Yeah, that's been a lot of fun to record. If you haven't heard season two of my other show. UNCO is I'm making series and so by the time this goes out the door.I think the whole first series will have been released. It's called the future of Podcasts, and in the first series I talked with Stephen Hackett, Zac Khan, and Carolina Milanesi about the future of podcasts and that that has been a really fun show to produce and it's been doing really well. So if you're interested definitely go check that out at <a href="http://unco.fm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">unco.fm</a>.

We're Back

Steven and Timothy are back together after a while. Topics include Apple’s October 30 media event, Timothy’s new MacBook Air, Steven’s new iPhone XR, and Steven’s first-ever high-definition television.  Show Notes: Steven’s iPhone XS Max reviewSteven’s Apple Watch Series 4 reviewWhy Shortcuts Matter for AccessibilityWaterMinder and Apple Pencil Double TapBlind Vet Catches Second Wave with a Surfboard and iPhoneThe Secret World of the Mac Mini9to5 Mac: iOS 12.1.1 Adds Expanding Notifications with Haptic Touch on iPhone XRSteven AquinoTwitter: @steven_aquinoWebsite: stevensblog.coTimothy BuckTwitter: @timothybucksfWebsite: timothybuck.mePodcast: unco.fm

Steven and Timothy are back together after a while. Topics include Apple’s October 30 media event, Timothy’s new MacBook Air, Steven’s new iPhone XR, and Steven’s first-ever high-definition television.  Show Notes: <a href="https://techcrunch.com/2018/10/07/the-accessibility-of-the-iphone-xs-max/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Steven’s iPhone XS Max review</a><a href="https://techcrunch.com/2018/10/21/apple-watch-series-4-is-the-most-accessible-watch-yet/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Steven’s Apple Watch Series 4 review</a><a href="https://www.macstories.net/stories/why-shortcuts-matter-for-accessibility/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Why Shortcuts Matter for Accessibility</a><a href="https://twitter.com/ksmolka/status/1060551359966121989" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">WaterMinder and Apple Pencil Double Tap</a><a href="https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2018/11/blind-veteran-catches-second-wave-with-a-surfboard-and-iphone/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Blind Vet Catches Second Wave with a Surfboard and iPhone</a><a href="https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2018/10/the-secret-world-of-mac-mini/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Secret World of the Mac Mini</a><a href="https://9to5mac.com/2018/11/08/iphone-xr-expand-notifications-haptic-touch/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">9to5 Mac: iOS 12.1.1 Adds Expanding Notifications with Haptic Touch on iPhone XR</a>Steven AquinoTwitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/steven_aquino" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@steven_aquino</a>Website: <a href="https://www.stevensblog.co" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">stevensblog.co</a>Timothy BuckTwitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/TimothyBuckSF" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@timothybucksf</a>Website: <a href="https://timothybuck.me" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">timothybuck.me</a>Podcast: <a href="http://unco.fm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">unco.fm</a>

That Cap Is Satan 

Steven and Timothy have a long discussion about the new Apple Watch Series 4 and iPhone XS from an accessibility perspective, then Steven gets super excited about the forthcoming iPhone XR. Show Notes: What Apple Watch Series 4 Means for AccessibilitySteven’s tweet comparing Apple Watch Series 4 to the iPhone 4The Apple Watch Is Time, SavedWhy Force Touch Matters for AccessibilityThe Accessibility of Apple Watch BandsThe Apple Watch App: Unheralded Yet IndispensableTimothy’s third-party watch bands: KADES genuine leather | MaxJoy double tour cuffSteven AquinoTwitter: @steven_aquinoWebsite: stevensblog.coTimothy BuckTwitter: @timothybucksfWebsite: timothybuck.me

Steven and Timothy have a long discussion about the new Apple Watch Series 4 and iPhone XS from an accessibility perspective, then Steven gets super excited about the forthcoming iPhone XR. Show Notes: <a href="https://www.imore.com/what-apple-watch-series-4-means-accessibility" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">What Apple Watch Series 4 Means for Accessibility</a><a href="https://twitter.com/steven_aquino/status/1043162598496038913?s=21" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Steven’s tweet comparing Apple Watch Series 4 to the iPhone 4</a><a href="https://techcrunch.com/2015/03/06/the-apple-watch-is-time-saved/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Apple Watch Is Time, Saved</a><a href="http://www.macstories.net/stories/why-force-touch-matters-for-accessibility/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Why Force Touch Matters for Accessibility</a><a href="http://www.macstories.net/stories/the-accessibility-of-apple-watch-bands/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Accessibility of Apple Watch Bands</a><a href="https://www.stevensblog.co/blogs/the-apple-watch-app-unheralded-yet-indispensable?rq=Apple%20Watch%20app%20" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Apple Watch App: Unheralded Yet Indispensable</a>Timothy’s third-party watch bands: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06WLMPWN3/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&amp;psc=1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">KADES genuine leather</a> | <a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06WLMPWN3/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&amp;psc=1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">MaxJoy double tour cuff</a>Steven AquinoTwitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/steven_aquino" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@steven_aquino</a>Website: <a href="https://www.stevensblog.co" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">stevensblog.co</a>Timothy BuckTwitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/TimothyBuckSF" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@timothybucksf</a>Website: <a href="https://timothybuck.me" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">timothybuck.me</a>

All the New Toys 

Steven and Timothy discuss Steven’s trip to Oregon, what they expect from Apple’s September 12 media event, and Timothy explains how he configured his AirPort Express to use AirPlay 2.    Show Notes9to5Mac iPhone XS exclusive9to5Mac Apple Watch Series 4 exclusiveSteven on the Sport Loop and AccessibilityHow the iPad Pro Made Me Love the iPhone 6s PlusAirPort Express now supports AirPlay 2Using Eero with AirPort Express or AirPort ExtremeXOXO Festival 2018 Steven AquinoTwitter: @steven_aquinoWebsite: stevensblog.coTimothy BuckTwitter: @timothybucksfWebsite: timothybuck.me

Steven and Timothy discuss Steven’s trip to Oregon, what they expect from Apple’s September 12 media event, and Timothy explains how he configured his AirPort Express to use AirPlay 2.   Show Notes<a href="* https://9to5mac.com/2018/08/30/2018-iphone-xs-design-larger-version-gold-exclusive/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">9to5Mac iPhone XS exclusive</a><a href="* https://9to5mac.com/2018/08/30/exclusive-apple-watch-series-4/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">9to5Mac Apple Watch Series 4 exclusive</a><a href="* https://www.stevensblog.co/blogs/sport-loop-thoughts" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Steven on the Sport Loop and Accessibility</a><a href="* https://www.macstories.net/stories/how-the-ipad-pro-made-me-love-the-iphone-6s-plus/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">How the iPad Pro Made Me Love the iPhone 6s Plus</a><a href="* https://9to5mac.com/2018/08/28/airport-express-airplay-2-homekit/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">AirPort Express now supports AirPlay 2</a><a href="* https://support.eero.com/hc/en-us/articles/208315013-Connecting-AirPort-Extreme-Time-Capsule-or-Airport-Express-to-your-eero-network" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Using Eero with AirPort Express or AirPort Extreme</a><a href="https://2018.xoxofest.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">XOXO Festival 2018</a> Steven AquinoTwitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/steven_aquino" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@steven_aquino</a>Website: <a href="https://www.stevensblog.co" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">stevensblog.co</a>Timothy BuckTwitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/TimothyBuckSF" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@timothybucksf</a>Website: <a href="https://timothybuck.me" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">timothybuck.me</a>

We’re Walking Podcast Sponsors 

Shelly Brisbin

Steven and Timothy are joined by special guest Shelly Brisbin. Topics include Shelly’s career in tech journalism and podcasting, the portrayal of accessibility coverage in the mainstream tech press, why accessibility talk on podcasts is important, our favorite iOS 12 features, and more. Show NotesChicken Nugget Twitter clientJason Snell on Group FaceTime being removed from iOS 12Christina Farr for CNBC: ‘Apple is beefing up a team to explore making its own health chips’Steven's guest appearance on The Parallel episode 11Shelly’s blog post on other accessibility writers besides StevenParallel Podcast on Relay FMAccessWorldiOS Access for AllGuest: Shelly BrisbinTwitter: @shellyWebsite: brisbin.netSteven AquinoTwitter: @steven_aquinoWebsite: stevensblog.coTimothy BuckTwitter: @timothybucksfWebsite: timothybuck.me

Steven and Timothy are joined by special guest Shelly Brisbin. Topics include Shelly’s career in tech journalism and podcasting, the portrayal of accessibility coverage in the mainstream tech press, why accessibility talk on podcasts is important, our favorite iOS 12 features, and more. Show Notes<a href="https://q-continuum.net/chicken_nugget/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Chicken Nugget Twitter client</a><a href="https://www.macworld.com/article/3297699/operating-systems/apples-group-facetime-delay-is-the-right-move.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Jason Snell on Group FaceTime being removed from iOS 12</a><a href="https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/14/apple-looks-to-develop-chip-for-processing-health-data.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Christina Farr for CNBC: ‘Apple is beefing up a team to explore making its own health chips’</a><a href="http://parallelpodcast.com/2017/01/31/11-i-wasnt-raised-to-be-a-freelancer/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Steven's guest appearance on The Parallel episode 11</a><a href="http://brisbin.net/2018/06/16/second-place-accessibility-writer/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Shelly’s blog post on other accessibility writers besides Steven</a><a href="https://www.relay.fm/parallel" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Parallel Podcast on Relay FM</a><a href="https://www.afb.org/aw/accessworld.aspx" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">AccessWorld</a><a href="http://www.iosaccessbook.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">iOS Access for All</a>Guest: Shelly BrisbinTwitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/shelly?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@shelly</a>Website: <a href="http://brisbin.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">brisbin.net</a>Steven AquinoTwitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/steven_aquino" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@steven_aquino</a>Website: <a href="https://www.stevensblog.co" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">stevensblog.co</a>Timothy BuckTwitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/TimothyBuckSF" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@timothybucksf</a>Website: <a href="https://timothybuck.me" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">timothybuck.me</a>

We Don’t Have a Title with Shelly Brisbin 

Accessible is a podcast about accessibility in tech hosted by Steven Aquino and Timothy Buck in San Francisco. Topics covered on the show are mostly Apple-centric but will span the tech industry at large where appropriate.

Steven and Timothy talk about their impressions so far of the iOS 12 beta, Steven's new Kindle Paperwhite, the accessible packaging of Microsoft's upcoming adaptive Xbox controller, and how to attract disabled people to beta-test accessibility features in apps.  Show NotesSteven's first impressions of the Kindle PaperwhiteSteven's story for MacStories on accessibility and ten years of the App StoreThe Steve Jobs InterviewTom Warren's report for The Verge on the Xbox controller's accessible packagingAmazon's accessibility support pageMicrosoft's accessibility pageSteven AquinoTwitter: @steven_aquinoWebsite: stevensblog.coTimothy BuckTwitter: @timothybucksfWebsite: timothybuck.me

Steven and Timothy talk about their impressions so far of the iOS 12 beta, Steven's new Kindle Paperwhite, the accessible packaging of Microsoft's upcoming adaptive Xbox controller, and how to attract disabled people to beta-test accessibility features in apps.  Show Notes<a href="https://www.stevensblog.co/blogs/kindle-paperwhite-first-impressions" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Steven's first impressions of the Kindle Paperwhite</a><a href="https://www.macstories.net/stories/how-the-iphone-and-app-store-have-redefined-accessible-software/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Steven's story for MacStories on accessibility and ten years of the App Store</a><a href="http://go.theinformation.com/e593553d9414cda4" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Steve Jobs Interview</a><a href="https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/25/17611488/microsoft-xbox-adaptive-controller-unboxing-packaging" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Tom Warren's report for The Verge on the Xbox controller's accessible packaging</a><a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201540050" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Amazon's accessibility support page</a><a href="https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Microsoft's accessibility page</a>Steven AquinoTwitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/steven_aquino" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@steven_aquino</a>Website: <a href="https://www.stevensblog.co" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">stevensblog.co</a>Timothy BuckTwitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/TimothyBuckSF" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@timothybucksf</a>Website: <a href="https://timothybuck.me" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">timothybuck.me</a>

Purposeful Packaging 

Aleen Simms

Steven and Timothy are joined by special guest Aleen Simms. Topics include diversity in tech and the disabled, the representation/discussion of diversity and accessibility on tech podcasts and in the tech media, the importance of accessible design in software, and more.  Show NotesApple’s diversity report includes disabled employeesThe Able GamersApple's press release announcing Schoolwork in the App StoreSteven’s GAAD interview with Apple’s Meg WilsonFirefox Accessibility Inspector post by Marco ZeheLess Than Or Equal #96: Steven AquinoOriginality on Relay FMSpecial Guest: Aleen SimmsTwitter: @aleenCompany: AppLaunchMap.com, @AppLaunchMapPodcast: OriginalitySteven AquinoTwitter: @steven_aquinoWebsite: stevensblog.coTimothy BuckTwitter: @timothybucksfWebsite: timothybuck.me

Steven and Timothy are joined by special guest Aleen Simms. Topics include diversity in tech and the disabled, the representation/discussion of diversity and accessibility on tech podcasts and in the tech media, the importance of accessible design in software, and more.  Show Notes<a href="https://www.apple.com/diversity/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple’s diversity report includes disabled employees</a><a href="http://www.ablegamers.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Able Gamers</a><a href="https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2018/06/apples-free-schoolwork-app-now-available-for-teachers/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple's press release announcing Schoolwork in the App Store</a><a href="https://techcrunch.com/2018/05/17/for-apple-this-years-global-accessibility-awareness-day-is-all-about-education/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Steven’s GAAD interview with Apple’s Meg Wilson</a><a href="https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Tools/Accessibility_inspector" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Firefox Accessibility Inspector post by Marco Zehe</a><a href="https://www.relay.fm/ltoe/96" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Less Than Or Equal #96: Steven Aquino</a><a href="https://www.relay.fm/originality" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Originality on Relay FM</a>Special Guest: Aleen SimmsTwitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/aleen" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@aleen</a>Company: <a href="https://applaunchmap.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">AppLaunchMap.com</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/AppLaunchMap" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@AppLaunchMap</a>Podcast: <a href="https://www.relay.fm/originality" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Originality</a>Steven AquinoTwitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/steven_aquino" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@steven_aquino</a>Website: <a href="https://www.stevensblog.co" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">stevensblog.co</a>Timothy BuckTwitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/TimothyBuckSF" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@timothybucksf</a>Website: <a href="https://timothybuck.me" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">timothybuck.me</a>

I'll Get Off My Soapbox Now with Aleen Simms 

Steven and Timothy reunite to reflect on their blockbuster WWDC episode, ruminate on their favorite announcements from WWDC, and partake in their first-ever after-show episode for Patreon supporters. Show NotesJohn Gruber’s mention of our last episode on The Talk Show #224Rene Ritchie’s blurb on iMore about our WWDC episode9to5 Mac story on our WWDC showDisability TekAccessibility-specific accessories sold by AppleSteven’s MacStories piece on how Apple can make accessibility consistent between iOS and the MacCODA (Children of Deaf Adults) InternationalSteven AquinoTwitter: @steven_aquinoWebsite: stevensblog.coTimothy BuckTwitter: @timothybucksfWebsite: timothybuck.me

Steven and Timothy reunite to reflect on their blockbuster WWDC episode, ruminate on their favorite announcements from WWDC, and partake in their first-ever after-show episode for Patreon supporters. Show Notes<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7NDuqM0I/1:24:02" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">John Gruber’s mention of our last episode on The Talk Show #224</a><a href="https://www.imore.com/accessible-apples-sarah-herrlinger-talks-wwdc-2018" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Rene Ritchie’s blurb on iMore about our WWDC episode</a><a href="https://9to5mac.com/2018/06/11/apple-accessibility-interview/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">9to5 Mac story on our WWDC show</a><a href="https://www.disabilitytek.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Disability Tek</a><a href="https://www.apple.com/shop/accessories/all-accessories/accessibility" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Accessibility-specific accessories sold by Apple</a><a href="https://www.macstories.net/stories/consistent-accessibility-how-apple-can-make-ios-and-the-mac-more-accessible/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Steven’s MacStories piece on how Apple can make accessibility consistent between iOS and the Mac</a><a href="https://www.coda-international.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">CODA (Children of Deaf Adults) International</a>Steven AquinoTwitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/steven_aquino" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@steven_aquino</a>Website: <a href="https://www.stevensblog.co" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">stevensblog.co</a>Timothy BuckTwitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/TimothyBuckSF" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@timothybucksf</a>Website: <a href="https://timothybuck.me" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">timothybuck.me</a>

Big Week

Recorded inside Apple's Podcasts studio at the McEnery Convention Center in San Jose, Steven interviews three special guests about their work and what Apple's WWDC announcements mean for accessibility. He sat down with Apple's Senior Director of Global Accessibility Policy &amp; Initiatives, Sarah Herrlinger, AssistiveWare CEO David Niemeijer, and WWDC18 student scholarship winner John Ciocca.  Show Notes Steven's scoop for TechCrunch on Live Listen coming to AirPods Steven's 4th annual report for TechCrunch from inside WWDC AssistiveWare John's piece at iMore on the value of accessibility and inclusivity David Niemeijer on Twitter  John Ciocca on Twitter  Steven AquinoTwitter: @steven_aquinoWebsite: stevensblog.coTimothy BuckTwitter: @timothybucksfWebsite: timothybuck.me

Recorded inside Apple's Podcasts studio at the McEnery Convention Center in San Jose, Steven interviews three special guests about their work and what Apple's WWDC announcements mean for accessibility. He sat down with Apple's Senior Director of Global Accessibility Policy &amp; Initiatives, Sarah Herrlinger, AssistiveWare CEO David Niemeijer, and WWDC18 student scholarship winner John Ciocca. Show Notes <a href="https://techcrunch.com/2018/06/05/airpods-to-get-live-listen-feature-in-ios-12/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Steven's scoop for TechCrunch on Live Listen coming to AirPods</a> <a href="https://techcrunch.com/2018/06/07/at-apples-wwdc-2018-accessibility-pervades-all/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Steven's 4th annual report for TechCrunch from inside WWDC</a> <a href="http://www.assistiveware.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">AssistiveWare</a> <a href="http://www.assistiveware.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">John's piece at iMore on the value of accessibility and inclusivity</a> <a href="https://mobile.twitter.com/NiemeijerD" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">David Niemeijer on Twitter</a> <a href="https://mobile.twitter.com/johnciocca" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">John Ciocca on Twitter</a> Steven AquinoTwitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/steven_aquino" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@steven_aquino</a>Website: <a href="https://www.stevensblog.co" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">stevensblog.co</a>Timothy BuckTwitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/TimothyBuckSF" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@timothybucksf</a>Website: <a href="https://timothybuck.me" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">timothybuck.me</a>

Steven Goes to San Jose

Rene Ritchie

Steven and Timothy are joined by special guest Rene Ritchie. Topics include Apple's Global Accessibility Awareness Day efforts and Steven's interview with CEO Tim Cook, Apple's stewardship of its accessibility work, accessibility becoming an increasing part of tech news sites' editorial focus, and what they want to see at WWDC.  Show Notes Bryan Clark on Dynamic Type in React Native Ryan McLeod of Blackbox on Dynamic Type Official Global Accessibility Awareness Day website Steven's story for TechCrunch on GAAD 2018 Ryan McLeod's tweet reply on making Dynamic Type easier to add for developers Special Guest: Rene RitchieTwitter: @reneritchieWork: Vector, iMoreSteven AquinoTwitter: @steven_aquinoWebsite: stevensblog.coTimothy BuckTwitter: @timothybucksfWebsite: timothybuck.me

Steven and Timothy are joined by special guest Rene Ritchie. Topics include Apple's Global Accessibility Awareness Day efforts and Steven's interview with CEO Tim Cook, Apple's stewardship of its accessibility work, accessibility becoming an increasing part of tech news sites' editorial focus, and what they want to see at WWDC. Show Notes <a href="https://twitter.com/bryanjclark/status/997904025629609984" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Bryan Clark on Dynamic Type in React Native</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/warpling/status/997397480013746178" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Ryan McLeod of Blackbox on Dynamic Type</a> <a href="http://globalaccessibilityawarenessday.org//gaad.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Official Global Accessibility Awareness Day website</a> <a href="https://techcrunch.com/2018/05/17/for-apple-this-years-global-accessibility-awareness-day-is-all-about-education/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Steven's story for TechCrunch on GAAD 2018</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/warpling/status/997398411371601920" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Ryan McLeod's tweet reply on making Dynamic Type easier to add for developers</a> Special Guest: Rene RitchieTwitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/reneritchie" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@reneritchie</a>Work: <a href="https://www.imore.com/vector" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Vector</a>, <a href="https://www.imore.com/author/Rene%20Ritchie" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">iMore</a>Steven AquinoTwitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/steven_aquino" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@steven_aquino</a>Website: <a href="https://www.stevensblog.co" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">stevensblog.co</a>Timothy BuckTwitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/TimothyBuckSF" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@timothybucksf</a>Website: <a href="https://timothybuck.me" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">timothybuck.me</a>

Accessibility Has to Ship with Rene Ritchie

Accessible's first new episode since 2014. Topics include what accessibility is and what it means, the history of Apple's accessibility work, how the first iPhone redefined accessible computing, and more.Show NotesSteven's story about Accessible: Accessible RebornApple's Switch Control + Final Cut video, "Sady"Apple's Accessibility pageApple's press release on the third-gen iPod Shuffle, with VoiceOverMarco Arment's article: Apple’s App Review Should Test AccessibilityGoogle DuplexGoogle’s AI app for the blindSteven AquinoTwitter: @steven_aquinoWebsite: stevensblog.coTimothy BuckTwitter: @timothybucksfWebsite: timothybuck.meSpecial thanks to Andrew Oliver of Brother Oliver for our custom intro music and Simon Buckmaster for our show art.

Accessible's first new episode since 2014. Topics include what accessibility is and what it means, the history of Apple's accessibility work, how the first iPhone redefined accessible computing, and more. Show Notes<a href="https://www.stevensblog.co/blogs/accessible-reborn" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Steven's story about Accessible: Accessible Reborn</a><a href="https://youtu.be/XB4cjbYywqg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple's Switch Control + Final Cut video, "Sady"</a><a href="https://www.apple.com/accessibility/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple's Accessibility page</a><a href="http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2009/03/11Apple-Announces-Incredible-New-iPod-shuffle.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple's press release on the third-gen iPod Shuffle, with VoiceOver</a><a href="https://marco.org/2014/07/10/app-review-should-test-accessibility" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Marco Arment's article: Apple’s App Review Should Test Accessibility</a><a href="https://youtu.be/bd1mEm2Fy08" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google Duplex</a><a href="http://money.cnn.com/2018/05/11/technology/google-lookout-app/index.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google’s AI app for the blind</a>Steven AquinoTwitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/steven_aquino" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@steven_aquino</a>Website: <a href="https://www.stevensblog.co" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">stevensblog.co</a>Timothy BuckTwitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/TimothyBuckSF" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@timothybucksf</a>Website: <a href="https://timothybuck.me" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">timothybuck.me</a>Special thanks to <a href="http://www.brotheroliver.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Andrew Oliver of Brother Oliver</a> for our custom intro music and <a href="https://twitter.com/forgottentowel" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Simon Buckmaster</a> for our show art.

Massive Move

At long last, here it is: Accessible is back! In this precursor to the first real episode, Steven and Timothy get together to introduce themselves and set the tone for the show. Topics include their vision for the show, the history of the show's original run, and why accessibility matters and why the tech community should pay more attention to it in their coverage and analysis of tech news.

At long last, here it is: Accessible is back! In this precursor to the first real episode, Steven and Timothy get together to introduce themselves and set the tone for the show. Topics include their vision for the show, the history of the show's original run, and why accessibility matters and why the tech community should pay more attention to it in their coverage and analysis of tech news.

The Foreword

Steven and Timothy have access to great guests in the area of accessiblity.

Great Guests

Great topic! I would love it if you focus less on accessibility as an idea and more on the practical how to for developers and designers. Plus, the show could benefit from some more fine tuned editing and audio quality.

Needs better audio and editing

Accessible

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