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The Think Orange Podcast is a podcast with ideas and conversations to help you influence the faith of the next generation.

086: It’s Personal – 5 Questions You Should Answer To Give Every Kid Hope

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The kids and students we lead need more than just deeper worship songs and deeper Bible studies to lead them down a path of hope and meaningful faith. They need something far more PERSONAL. In fact, if you want to be a transformational leader of kids, then it HAS to be personal. That’s why in this episode, Reggie Joiner unpacks 5 personal questions every kid is asking—questions that can not only make our ministries better, but also set kids up with a stronger faith and a brighter future.

Welcome to Episode 86 of the Think Orange Podcast.

Where To Listen:iTunes  |  Google Play  |  Stitcher  |  SoundCloud

People, Places & Helpful Resources

It’s Personal Book with Free Reading Guide

Orange Tour 2019

Featured Guest

REGGIE JOINER

Reggie is founder and CEO of Orange (The reThink Group). He has co-written three parenting books, Don’t Miss ItPlaying for Keeps and Parenting Beyond Your Capacity as well as other leadership books including A New Kind of Leader and Think Orange. Reggie lives in Georgia with his wife, Debbie, and has four grown children, Reggie Paul, Hannah, Sarah, and Rebekah.

Your Host

DAVE ADAMSON

When he’s not working as a pastor at North Point Ministries in Atlanta, Dave is usually making his family cross their arms, roll their eyes, and tap their feet while he takes “just one more quick photo” on family outings. You’ll also often find him up to his neck in “Jewish stuff” as he researches the cultural context of Jesus for his daily Instagram devotions. Learn more about Dave at daveadamson.tv.

Sep 26 2019

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085: Two Unconventional Truths About Leadership

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  • Today on The Pod, we tackle two ideas that many ministry leaders have a difficult time accepting. First, we’re joined by Jeanne Stevens who reminds us that with God all things are possible—but He never intended for us to live as though we are limitless. Then Ryan Leak sits down with guest hosts Holly Crawshaw and Sarah Bragg to talk about principles found in his book UnOffendable: No Offense. None Taken.

    Welcome to Episode 85 of The Think Orange Podcast!

    Where To Listen:iTunes  |  Google Play  |  Stitcher  |  SoundCloud

    Topic Timeline

    Jeanne Stevens talks about doing work with God instead of doing work for God (4:15)

    Jeanne shares from Deuteronomy 30:11–14 on the gift of limits (7:51)

    The gift of limits leads to the gift of rhythm (11:34)

    Warning signs of limitless living (13:58)
    • Comparison (14:35)
    • Tiredness/sickness (15:15)
    • Excessive control (16:14)
    • Compulsiveness (16:34)
    • Emotional numbing (16:51)
    • Escapism (17:27)
    • Over-working (17:50)
    • Feeling overwhelmed (18:00)
    • Worry (18:17)
    • Withdrawal (18:20)

    With God all things are possible—but not all things are possible for you (18:23)

    Holly Crawshaw and Sarah Bragg interview Ryan Leak (21:06)

    Ryan describes the idea behind his book UnOffendable: No Offense. None Taken. (26:08)

    Everyone has the right to feel offended; the problem is when you stay in that place (32:41)

    “Funeral Rules” Ryan’s friend taught him (34:22)
    • Consider who you want sitting in the first two rows at your funeral
    • Think about what you want those people to say about you and evaluate your life in light of those things

    In the same way we’ve been offended, we’ve probably offended others—so we have to create space for grace to come in (36:35)

    Believing the best in others, knowing that others have taken a chance on us (38:04)

    How to approach a person who is frequently and highly offended (43:13)

    As leaders, it’s important to decipher between what’s offensive and what’s constructive (46:26)

    Some people want to just fall into friendships, but you have to be intentional if you want to win with relationships (53:00)

    Dave’s final thoughts (54:43)

    People, Places & Helpful Resources

    The Orange Conference 2019

    “Chasing Failure” on YouTube

    UnOffendable: No Offense. None Taken. by Ryan Leak

    RyanLeak.com

    ExploreYourType.com

    Featured Guests

    Learn more about Ryan at
    https://www.ryanleak.com/.

    RYAN LEAK

    Ryan Leak serves as the Young Adults Director at Covenant Church in Dallas,TX and is also a Filmmaker, Author & Motivational Speaker. He’s mostly known for pulling off The Surprise Wedding, which went viral on Youtube in 2013 with 1.4 million views. He’s been featured on Good Morning America, The Today Show, The Queen Latifah Show and many other various media outlets.

    He and his wife are published authors with Random House and released, The One: An Amazing Love Story Starts With You, back in May 2015. His latest project is a documentary about what life could look like if we all stop living with the fear of failure. Chasing Failure, encourages its viewers to embrace challenges and chase their dreams. In this documentary Ryan tried out for the NBA team, the Phoenix Suns. Along with the documentary Ryan has released his most recent book, Chasing Failure: What if losing was the quickest way to win?

    JEANNE STEVENS

    Jeanne Stevens is one of the lead pastors of Soul City Church in Chicago’s dynamic West Loop neighborhood, which she and her husband, Jarrett, started in 2010. Jeanne has had the opportunity to teach, pastor and speak in to the lives of thousands of people across the U.S. and around the world. Her passion to develop leaders, to encourage people to live from the fullest part of themselves and to live boldly give her a unique voice of hope and challenge.

    Jeanne is the author of Soul School, the devotionals Everyday Brave and Grit & Grace, and a contributor to the Bible Study and DVD Series “Twelve Women of the Bible” as well as “Real Women, Real Faith.” In addition to pastoring Soul City Church, Jeanne finds great joy in being a wife to Jarrett of 17 years, and a mom to her son, Elijah, and daughter, Gigi.

    Learn more about Jeanne at
    http://jeannestevens.com/.

    Quotes from This Episode

    A limited life where we embrace the gift of limits leads to a rested life. – @jeannemstevens
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    God hasn’t called us to balance—He’s called us to rhythm. – @jeannemstevens
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    What influence can I gain by simply letting someone off the hook? – @ryanleak
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    You have to forgive people before they hurt you and you have to make a decision about who you want to be before pain comes. – @ryanleak
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    Ideas to Influence the Next Generation

    As we strive to be unoffendable, we have to consider how we engage with those we deem offensive. Every day, we bump up against people who don’t think, look like, or act like we do. Here’s three things to keep in mind in our pursuit of, as Ryan called it on today’s episode, making space for grace:

    Exposure builds empathy.

    Understanding rarely happens in a vacuum. True learning comes through interaction with new people, places, and ideas. Seek out opportunities to meet, learn from, and shadow people who live, think, and do ministry differently than you.

    Excuses don’t promote healing.

    When confronted with information that feels new or foreign to us, it can be tempting to try to explain away our ignorance. When it comes to things like racial tensions, statements like, “I had no idea,” and, “That happened before I was even born,” just aren’t good enough.

    Conversations increase understanding.

    Admitting an area in which you are biased can be embarrassing. But if you want to unpack that bias, you have to be willing to open up and engage in vulnerable conversations.

    Conversation Starters For Your Church

    What’s an area of your life in which you’ve attempted to live as though you’re limitless?

    What are the warning signs you experience when you’re experiencing burn out?

    Is there an offense you’ve been carrying that you need to let go?

    Who are your go-to people for helpful input into growth points in your life?

    Your Hosts

    DAVE ADAMSON

    When he’s not working as a pastor at North Point Ministries in Atlanta, Dave is usually making his family cross their arms, roll their eyes, and tap their feet while he takes “just one more quick photo” on family outings. You’ll also often find him up to his neck in “Jewish stuff” as he researches the cultural context of Jesus for his daily Instagram devotions. Learn more about Dave at daveadamson.tv.

    GUEST HOST
    SARAH BRAGG

    Sarah Bragg has worked with students in ministry for more than 15 years and previously worked in full-time ministry for 7 years. Her book titled Body. Beauty. Boys. The Truth About Girls and How We See Ourselves helps young women find their value in the One who matters. She is the Lead Editor for a student strategy and curriculum called XP3 Middle School for Orange at the reThink Group. She has a Masters of Arts in Biblical Studies from Dallas Theological Seminary. Sarah and her husband, Scott, and their daughters, Sinclair and Rory, reside in Marietta, Georgia. To listen to conversations about surviving life, check out her podcast Surviving Sarah on iTunes and to follow along with her life, check out www.survivingsarah.com.

    GUEST HOST
    HOLLY CRAWSHAW

    Holly is the Lead Writer for Life Stage Strategies at Orange, working on the Parent Cue team. Before joining the Orange team, Holly joined the staff of North Point Ministries to work with middle school students, as well as serving as the Director of Preschool at Browns Bridge Community Church. Since then she has had opportunities to speak at camps, retreats, conferences, and Sunday morning environments. Throughout her experiences over the last nine years, Holly has seen the vitalness in creating fun and engaging environments for students to connect to one another and with their heavenly father. She has also found that there is a dire need and importance for female communicators for young women growing up today.

    Join Us Next Week

    Thank you for listening to the Think Orange Podcast.

    We hope you’ll join us for next week’s episode. More importantly, we hope that when you think next generation, you think Orange.

    Apr 02 2019

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    084: Tips & Hacks for Special Needs Ministry

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  • It’s no secret that parenting is an emotional rollercoaster. One moment you’re beaming with pride over a job well done and the next you’re asking yourself how your darling angel turned into such a hooligan. For all the ups and downs of being a parent, families with special needs deal with all that and more. That’s why it’s important as ministry leaders that we find creative ways to make special needs families feel at home in our ministries.

    Today on The Pod, we’re joined by four leaders who have made it their mission to serve in a special needs context. They share the heart behind special needs ministry, tips and tricks for getting the resources you need, and a plan for recruiting and keeping the right volunteers. Whether you’re a leader looking to start or improve the special needs ministry in your church or a volunteer looking for ways to lean in, we know you’re going to get a lot out of this episode.

    Where To Listen:iTunes  |  Google Play  |  Stitcher  |  SoundCloud

    Topic Timeline

    Meaghan Wall talks about mobilizing student leaders to serve in your special needs ministry (3:29)

    Stonebriar has a wait list for volunteers because they do such a great job recruiting teenagers (3:29)

    Recruit student volunteers for your special needs ministry (5:20)
    • Start young and involve families by encouraging them to serve together
    • As kids get older, plug them into their own roles separate from their families
    • Make it exciting and give them an opportunity to do things that matter

    Retain student volunteers for your special needs ministry (13:43)
    • Create a tribe and a place for people to belong
    • Provide training specifically for them
    • Develop a leadership path that involves them in something bigger than themselves

    Replicate student volunteers for your special needs ministry by pairing adult mentors with kids and students (27:02)

    Guest host Sarah Bragg interviews Jess Berryhill, Amie Shannon, and Christina Teevan (27:57)

    Jess, Amie, and Christina share what propelled them to pursue special needs ministry (30:12)

    A special needs ministry begins with asking the right questions (33:44)

    A special needs ministry doesn’t need to go big right away—start small (35:41)

    Many churches are already accommodating for families with special needs, they just haven’t realized it yet (37:57)

    Tricks for keeping the financial costs down in a special needs ministry (40:19)
    • Borrow curriculum and resources from your preschool ministry
    • Seek out grants and donations
    • Know it doesn’t have to be fancy
    • Look for ideas on Pinterest

    How to make your own “buddy bag” (43:19)

    Take time to walk through your buildings and look at your environments, entrances, and exits through the eyes of your special needs families (45:09)

    Special needs ministry isn’t just valuable to the families we serve; it’s a gift to us and our volunteers as well (46:12)

    Dave’s final thoughts (51:39)

    People, Places & Helpful Resources

    The Orange Conference 2019

    Meaghan Wall on Orange Leaders

    Meaghan Wall on YouTube

    Featured Guests

    MEAGHAN WALL

    Meaghan has served as the pastoral leader of special needs at Stonebriar Community Church in Frisco, Texas, since 2006. She has a passion for families affected by special needs and enjoys helping churches across the country catch the vision of special needs ministry. She has a degree in social work from Texas Tech University and a master in Christian leadership from Dallas Theological Seminary. Meaghan has an amazing husband, Michael, and two incredibly cute little boys, Jackson and Grayson, who are the loves of her life. Meaghan is best described by a sign in her office that reads: Jesus, Dr. Pepper, and Texas Tech.

    JESS BERRYHILL

    Jess currently serves as the Student Ministry Director and Special Needs Coordinator at Mount Pleasant Church. Out of the need to reach those with special needs in her own student ministry, Jess started and leads a special needs ministry that has grown to include outreach opportunities like adaptive sports, theater, and a weekly small group. Jess lives with her dog, Cooper, and enjoys spending time with her nephew, Briley.

    AMIE SHANNON

    Amie is the Special Needs Director at Indian Creek Christian Church in Indianapolis. She enjoys working alongside families, volunteers, and staff to show individuals with special needs they are known, valued, and loved by God. Amie has a degree in Special Education. She taught in the public school system in a Comprehensive Intervention Program classroom. Her passion is to share the gospel with ALL of God’s children. Amie and her husband, Greg, have three young children.

    CHRISTINA TEEVAN

    Christina is the Executive Director of Ashland Special Needs Ministry. Her responsibilities include respite care, training volunteers, working with churches to train and develop programs for families with special needs, as well as working with the community to partner with families of those with special needs. Christina, her husband, and daughters are guardians for a dear man with Down Syndrome, and she serves as a professor preparing college students entering the field of special education.

    Quotes from This Episode

    Our students want to feel like they’re involved in something bigger than themselves—that seems to be the theme of youth today. – @meaghan_wall
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    Understanding the perspective of parents begins from a posture of asking questions.
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    Parents of kids with special needs are just looking for a place for their child to belong.
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    Ideas to Influence the Next Generation

    Special needs ministry can be messy. Sometimes you’ll have no idea why a kid is doing what he’s doing. Sometimes you won’t know what to say to a hurting parent. Sometimes you might even worry if you’re choosing words that are politically correct. When we feel confused or unsure of ourselves, that’s when we want to hide. But don’t let feeling awkward or “not educated enough” be an excuse for not approaching special needs families in your midst. After all, a big smile and an attitude that conveys you’re eager to help will go a long way—even if inwardly you feel clueless.

    What’s true of every family is especially true of special needs families: The best thing you can do is start from a place of empathy. Ask questions about their child, their daily life, and what they hope to see happen in the life of their child. And as you ask these questions, do so in a spirit of positivity and celebration. Show genuine concern, but don’t let your default be sadness. The reality is most parents of kids with special needs are reminded every day of all the can’ts in their child’s life—let church be a place where they see all the ways they can.

    Conversation Starters For Your Church

    On a scale of 1–10, how does our church do at recognizing, supporting, and celebrating the special needs families in our community?

    In what ways does our church already accommodate families with special needs (for example, an existing ministry, handicap accessibility, a one-on-one buddy program)?

    What organizations or companies exist in our community that might want to partner with us in serving those with special needs?

    What needs are present within existing children’s and student programming and how can we partner with them to better serve families? (Hint: To best answer this question, you’ll probably want to set up a time to sit down and talk about it as a team.)

    Your Hosts

    DAVE ADAMSON

    When he’s not working as a pastor at North Point Ministries in Atlanta, Dave is usually making his family cross their arms, roll their eyes, and tap their feet while he takes “just one more quick photo” on family outings. You’ll also often find him up to his neck in “Jewish stuff” as he researches the cultural context of Jesus for his daily Instagram devotions. Learn more about Dave at daveadamson.tv.

    GUEST HOST SARAH BRAGG

    Sarah Bragg has worked with students in ministry for more than 15 years and previously worked in full-time ministry for 7 years. Her book titled Body. Beauty. Boys. The Truth About Girls and How We See Ourselves helps young women find their value in the One who matters. She is the Lead Editor for a student strategy and curriculum called XP3 Middle School for Orange at the reThink Group. She has a Masters of Arts in Biblical Studies from Dallas Theological Seminary. Sarah and her husband, Scott, and their daughters, Sinclair and Rory, reside in Marietta, Georgia. To listen to conversations about surviving life, check out her podcast Surviving Sarah on iTunes and to follow along with her life, check out www.survivingsarah.com.

    Join Us Next Week

    Thank you for listening to the Think Orange Podcast.

    We hope you’ll join us for next week’s episode. More importantly, we hope that when you think next generation, you think Orange.

    Mar 19 2019

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    083: Helping Students Develop a Prayer Life and Relationship with God

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  • Spiritual habits are important—there’s not a Next Gen leader out there who will argue with that. We all agree we want students actively pursuing a relationship with God. But for most students, the idea of reading the Bible or having an active prayer life can feel unattainable or just plain boring.

    On today’s episode of The Think Orange Podcast, we’ll talk about cultivating environments where kids and students can develop an authentic faith by focusing on four faith skills. We’ll hear from youth ministry veterans Crystal Chiang and Stuart Hall who will cast a vision and provide practical tools for helping students develop a prayer life and a relationship with God.

    Where To Listen:iTunes  |  Google Play  |  Stitcher  |  SoundCloud

    Topic Timeline

    Stuart Hall talks about how the goal of spiritual habits is to bring about authentic faith in the next generation (3:57)

    Orange defines authentic faith as trusting in Jesus in a way that transforms the way I love God, the way I love myself, and the way I love others (4:09)

    As a ministry leader, your job is to provoke discovery and fuel passion (4:39)

    Summary of Orange’s Four Faith Skills (spiritual habits) (5:13)
    • HEAR from God
    • PRAY to God
    • TALK about God
    • LIVE for God

    Trusting Jesus is important if kids and students are going to develop a faith of their own (6:01)

    Jesus was a real person who lived, died, and rose again (11:47)

    The Bible didn’t create Christianity; Christianity created the Bible—the resurrection is our hope (13:15)

    When teaching the Bible to kids and students, start with Jesus (14:47)

    Practical things leaders can do to introduce kids and students to the Bible (15:52)

    Kids and students have to hear us praying for and with them (17:29)

    If you want kids and students to talk about God, you have to be ready for hard questions (20:29)

    The church should be the safest place for a kid or student to express their doubts (21:21)

    As a student pastor or small group leader, your most important asset is your emotional intelligence and ability to ask good questions (23:29)

    Providing service opportunities for kids and students should be built into your church’s DNA (24:16)

    Guest host Sarah Bragg interviews Crystal Chiang (27:47)

    As adults, we can make prayer less weird by owning that it isn’t like every other conversation we have (29:43)

    Our desire for immediate feedback can cause us to believe “prayer doesn’t work” (31:54)

    Recap of the Four Faith Skills (34:05)

    Leaders can guide and encourage students toward a thriving prayer life by walking with them through a specific experience in which they see results (35:33)

    Crystal explains the Thirty Challenge (37:21)

    Dave’s final thoughts (42:38)

    People, Places & Helpful Resources

    YouLead Day (Orange Conference 2019)

    Tim Tebow Foundation’s Night to Shine

    XP3’s Thirty Challenge

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    CRYSTAL CHIANG

    Crystal Chiang is the Director of XP3 High School Curriculum. Before joining the team at Orange, she spent 10 years as a high school Spanish teacher and student ministry leader, doing everything from  small groups to speaking to curriculum design.

    STUART HALL

    Stuart serves as Director of Student Leadership and Leadership Networking for Orange (ReThink Group) and also leads INFLUNSR, an organization whose mission is to fuel the next generation of leaders worth following. Stuart speaks to thousands of junior high, high school and college students, student pastors, parents, leaders, and coaches every year through camps, retreats, and special events.

    He has co-authored three books: the award-winning The Seven Checkpoints: Seven Principles Every Teenager Needs to Knowand MAX Q: Developing Students of Influence with Andy Stanley, and the leadership edition of Wired: For a Life of Worship with Louie Giglio.

    Quotes from This Episode

    When teaching students, start with Jesus and work your way out—because if Jesus didn’t rise from the dead, nothing Paul said matters. – @IAmStuartHall
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    The church should be the safest place for a kid or student to express their doubts. – @IAmStuartHall
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    Doubt isn’t toxic to faith; unexpressed doubt is. – @IAmStuartHall
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    Prayer is something that changes us over time. – @CrystalcChiang
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    Smart people give smart answers, but wise people ask smart questions. – @aussiedave
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    Ideas to Influence the Next Generation

    The idea of developing spiritual habits can be difficult for a kid or student to understand. As ministry leaders, where do we even begin to implement a culture that embraces spiritual habits as part of our DNA? Here are three ways you can encourage small group leaders and parents to engage their kids in learning spiritual habits and putting them into practice:

    1. Talk about them.

    Sure, it may be awkward at first, but the more you incorporate the four spiritual habits into your conversations and small group discussions, the more natural it will become. Use language and words that are easy to understand. For example, around Orange, we often refer to spiritual habits as Faith Skills. And to make it even easier, we’ve broken them down into four faith skills: HEAR from God, PRAY to God, TALK about God, and LIVE for God.

    2. Model them.

    If you desire for the kids and students around you to develop faith skills of their own, you have to show them what it looks like to live out your faith in a real way. This can happen in quick, impromptu ways, like taking a moment as you drive in the car to say, “This morning I was reading a verse in the Bible that reminded me that God wants me to love others—including my coworkers.” Or it could mean taking a week of vacation and asking your high schooler to join you on a mission trip. Kids and students are perceptive of when adults are being authentic with them so let your desire to know God better be evident to them.

    3. Take them one step at a time.

    The last thing you want is for kids and students to view spiritual habits as a boring checklist of things that must be done in order to be a Christian. Instead of focusing on doing #allthethings at once, provide clear examples of ways kids, students, and parents can do just one more thing each week than they did the week before. Maybe it’s encouraging families to participate in a five-day Bible reading plan. Maybe it’s praying together one night a week. Spiritual habits aren’t about doing a list of tasks; they’re about developing a lifestyle that follows Jesus for the long-term.

    Conversation Starters For Your Church

    What are the three or four actions I would define as most important to helping a student develop a life-long faith?

    What’s a doubt I’ve experienced in my own faith journey? How can I share this with those I influence in an authentic way?

    What is my ministry’s current approach to teaching the Bible—does it start with Jesus or cause the listener to work their way to Him over time?

    What resources do we as a church, or myself as a parent or small group leader, have available to kids and students as they pursue spiritual habits?

    Your Host

    DAVE ADAMSON

    When he’s not working as a pastor at North Point Ministries in Atlanta, Dave is usually making his family cross their arms, roll their eyes, and tap their feet while he takes “just one more quick photo” on family outings. You’ll also often find him up to his neck in “Jewish stuff” as he researches the cultural context of Jesus for his daily Instagram devotions. Learn more about Dave at daveadamson.tv.

    Join Us Next Week

    Thank you for listening to the Think Orange Podcast.

    We hope you’ll join us for next week’s episode. More importantly, we hope that when you think next generation, you think Orange.

    Mar 05 2019

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    082: Leading Your Team Through Change

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  • Today’s episode of the Think Orange Podcast is being aired in memory of Craig Jutila. An integral part of the Orange family, Craig was an advocate of church, family, and ministry, as well as a champion for pastors all across the country. Craig was incredible at leading change and shaping teams, and that’s what he’ll be sharing about today through an interview captured at Orange Conference 2018. After our conversation with Craig, we’re joined by Carey Nieuwhof. Carey provides some profound yet fundamental insights on the correlation of change and mission—and how to communicate change to those you lead.

    We hope you enjoy Episode 82 of the Think Orange Podcast.

    Where To Listen:iTunes  |  Google Play  |  Stitcher  |  SoundCloud

    Topic Timeline

    Information about the Craig Jutila Memorial Fund (1:24)

    Reggie Joiner remembers Craig (1:53)

    Dave Adamson and Holly Crawshaw interview Craig Jutila at Orange Conference 2018 (3:01)

    People are often resistant to change at first because it requires emotional awareness and a plan (5:12)

    People support what they help create—if you want to lead leaders, you have to get them on board early in the process (7:29)

    Casting vision means staying on the right PATH (Passion, Attitude, Teamwork, and Honor) (8:50)

    If your identity is so tied into what you are leading, then the thought that it might fail will be difficult because you’ll see it as equal to your failure (11:06)

    When you get pushback, lean in (12:21)

    Biblical precedents for deciphering the right timing for instituting change (14:32)

    The balance between emotional dysregulation and healthy expression (17:30)

    Craig discusses the transition from Saddleback to Venture (18:31)

    There’s important value with having your boss on board with any changes you want to make (21:10)

    The risk of not enacting change is long-term agony over short-term discomfort (23:05)

    What it’s like to lead change in a family context (25:55)

    Curiosity is a habit of emotionally healthy parenting (28:34)

    If we’re emotionally healthy as parents, we have a much better chance of raising emotionally healthy children (30:37)

    Release info for Craig’s book 7 Habits of Emotionally Healthy Parents [See note below in “People, Places & Helpful Resources”] (33:05)

    Dave transitions to conversation with Carey Nieuwhof (33:57)

    Carey talks about creating discontent out of the potential of your mission (34:45)

    Healthy change is brought about by a sense of urgency for your mission (37:21)

    When you cast vision, focus twice as much on why you do what you do as you do what and how (39:27)

    Communicate the need for change in concentric circles (43:16)
    Dialogue with the core
    Get input from committed people
    Inform the congregation
    Cast vision to the crowd
    Invite the community

    Consensus kills courage—change never happens when everyone has a say (46:13)

    We’re attracted to drama in other people’s lives, but we resist it in our own (50:15)

    To lead change effectively introduces drama to the church that’s necessary to bring change about (53:00)

    Focus on where you’re going, not when you’ll arrive (53:40)

    Value experimentation (54:13)

    Embrace failure as a step toward progress (55:20)

    A lasting appetite for change develops naturally in people and organizations that truly embrace their mission (56:30)

    Dave’s final thoughts (57:28)

    People, Places & Helpful Resources

    Craig Jutila Memorial Fund (whowillyouempower.com)

    While Craig’s book 7 Habits of Emotionally Healthy Parents has not been released to the market at this time, you can learn more about his ideas on the topic through his YouTube channel or perusing his blog at whowillyouempower.com/craigsblog.

    Featured Guests

    CRAIG JUTILA

    Craig Jutila was a family ministries pastor, advocate of church, family, and ministry, as well as a champion for pastors all across the country. He was incredible at leading change and shaping teams. He dreamed of starting a Retreat Center for Pastors who were broken, burned out or just ready to give up, and the Craig Jutila Memorial Fund intends to carry on his dream.

    CAREY NIEUWHOF

    Carey is the founding pastor of Connexus Church and host of the Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast. He is the author of Lasting Impact, and co-author of Parenting Beyond Your Capacity, which he wrote the founder of Orange Reggie Joiner.

    Quotes from This Episode

    You can’t have your identity wrapped into what you are doing. – @craigjutila
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    To lead change you have to have a thick skin and a sensitive heart. – @craigjutila
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    If we’re emotionally healthy as parents, we have a much better chance of raising emotionally healthy children. – @craigjutila
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    Change bridges the gap between what is and what could be. – @cnieuwhof
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    Consensus kills courage. Change never happens when everyone has a say. – @cnieuwhof
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    A lasting appetite for change develops naturally in people and organizations that truly embrace their mission. – @cnieuwhof
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    Ideas to Influence the Next Generation

    Let’s admit it right up front: Change can be frustrating. It’s not always easy—for you and for those you lead. Wise leaders anticipate difficulty. They’re not surprised when they hear statements like, “Yeah, but . . . ” and, “But what about . . . ?”

    Don’t be disheartened. Change is often necessary because growth has taken place. Just like a kid can’t stay in their first pair of walking shoes forever, ministries are meant to expand. If you’re leading effectively (and we know you are!), your mission will require shifts to take place.

    Conversation Starters For Your Church

    On a scale of 1–10, how would you rate your personal desire for change?

    What’s a change you’ve wanted to make within your ministry, but have felt uncertain how to carry it out?

    Is there a discomfort you’ve felt related to your mission that requires change to progress forward?

    In your ministry, who are the people whose approval is necessary before a change can be made? Do you feel this number is too small or too large?

    Who are the key people (e.g., a mentor, advisor, or board) that help you pinpoint discomfort and strategize necessary change?

    Your Host

    DAVE ADAMSON

    When he’s not working as a pastor at North Point Ministries in Atlanta, Dave is usually making his family cross their arms, roll their eyes, and tap their feet while he takes “just one more quick photo” on family outings. You’ll also often find him up to his neck in “Jewish stuff” as he researches the cultural context of Jesus for his daily Instagram devotions. Learn more about Dave at daveadamson.tv.

    Join Us Next Week

    Thank you for listening to the Think Orange Podcast.

    We hope you’ll join us for next week’s episode. More importantly, we hope that when you think next generation, you think Orange.

    Feb 19 2019

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    081: How Transparency Can Save Marriages In Your Church

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  • There’s a reason that we call getting married “tying the knot.” When two people vow to love each other forever, in front of God, their lives join together in a bond that feels unbreakable. However—like all knots—over time our marriages can get frayed and even loosen.

    Healthy churches and healthy marriages are deeply and intricately connected. They both need each other. Ron and Jody Zappia have a story of a redeemed marriage. They use their story as a platform to show God’s glory and use transparency to help other couples find hope. Today on the podcast, they join Dave to talk about how churches can partner with couples to help them develop and maintain healthy marriages.

    Where To Listen:iTunes  |  Google Play  |  Stitcher  |  SoundCloud

    Topic Timeline

    The MarriedPeople Curriculum provides a year of resources to help your church do marriage better (1:45)

    Ron and Jody share the story about how they met and their early years of marriage (3:05)

    How Christian counseling met Ron and Jody at their lowest (8:25)

    What a kingdom-minded view looks like in reality (12:45)

    The Lord is near to the broken-hearted (17:35)

    We have a responsibility to use our stories for God’s glory (20:35)

    The Marriage Knot: The choices husbands and wife need to make to continuously tighten and strengthen the knot (22:00)

    The major falls in marriage (24:30)

    The seven Biblical choices couples can make to support their marriage (27:00)

    A candid conversation about what Biblical intimacy looks like in marriage (28:05)

    The most common marriage issue all couples deal with (33:00)

    How to choose to love unconditionally (35:35)

    The equation for forgiveness (36:45)

    Dave’s lightning round of marriage questions for Ron and Jody (40:20)

    What’s one piece of practical marriage advice? (40:45)

    What about church leaders who have never been married? (41:20)

    What’s one thing churches can do to partner with married couples? (42:25)

    What’s one piece of advice for ministry leaders who are married?(44:55)

    What’s one piece of advice you have your kids that you want all of us to hear? (45:05)

    Dave’s final thoughts (49:20)

    People, Places & Helpful Resources

    Pastor Ron and Jody Zappia

    The MarriedPeople Curriculum

    The Marriage Knot by Ron and Jody Zappia

    Ron and Jody’s Marriage Conference: TheKnot.CC

    Featured Guests

    RON AND JODY ZAPPIA

    Ron Zappia is the pastor and founder of Highpoint Church, a multi-site church reaching thousands in the western suburbs of Chicago. Jody Zappia leads the Women’s Ministry for Highpoint. Together, they’ve written the book The Marriage Knot.  Ron and Jody live in Wheaton, IL with their three daughters: Allie, Erin, and Emily.

    Quotes from This Episode

    In the midst of pain, you must keep moving forward. @RonZappia
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    Our story can be a platform for God’s glory. @RonZappia
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    When people see our scars, it shows them that there is a healer. @aussiedave
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    Great marriages don’t happen by accident. @RonZappia
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    Ideas to Influence the Next Generation

    Keep a Kingdom-Minded view

    When Jody first walked into the church near her house, hoping for affirmation that she should file for divorce, she was comforted and spoken to by the pastor’s wife. The pastor’s wife actually knew of a marriage program at a different church for couples who were considering divorce and sent Jody their way.

    At that moment, the pastor’s wife had a kingdom-minded view. She wasn’t worried about retaining Jody as a member or getting her involved in another ministry. She simply cared about what was best for Jody and Jody’s relationship with God and her husband. The church she sent her to ultimately saved her marriage and brought Ron and Jody to Christ.

    Hurting people can help hurting people

    The Lord is near to the broken-hearted. He uses people who are open, honest and authentic with their story to give hope to others. Being brave with your story glorifies God and reminds others that Christ is the great healer.

    Love, forgiveness, and trust

    After a betrayal in a marriage, many couples worry that they’ll never trust each other again. But here’s the good news… God doesn’t ask you to trust your spouse (or yourself). He asks you to trust in Him. What He does ask is that you love each other and forgive each other. Over time, the trust will come back.

    Conversation Starters For Your Church

    How can our church keep a kingdom-minded approach in helping anyone who walks through our doors?

    What can we do to partner with our married ministry leaders to support their marriages?

    How can our church model unconditional love?

    Your Hosts

    DAVE ADAMSON

    When he’s not working as a pastor at North Point Ministries in Atlanta, Dave is usually making his family cross their arms, roll their eyes, and tap their feet while he takes “just one more quick photo” on family outings. You’ll also often find him up to his neck in “Jewish stuff” as he researches the cultural context of Jesus for his daily Instagram devotions. Learn more about Dave at daveadamson.tv.

    Join Us Next Week

    Thank you for listening to the Think Orange Podcast.

    We hope you’ll join us for next week’s episode. More importantly, we hope that when you think next generation, you think Orange.

    Feb 05 2019

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    080: Techniques for Getting the Best Out of Your Team

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  • We’ve all heard the joke, “Ministry would be easy if not for the people.” We all have days that can feel frustrating or out of sync—like when you’re overwhelmed by your workload or those on your team aren’t speaking the same language. In those moments we wonder if it might be easier to just go at it alone. But the reality is we need more than just ourselves to accomplish the mission we’ve been given.

    In today’s conversations, we hear from Doug Fields and Amber Baker. With a combined 50-plus years of experience leading teams, they share the whys and hows for celebrating and empowering those you’ve been called to lead. Whether you lead a team of staff, volunteers, or students, these techniques will help you grow in your awareness of yourself as a leader, as well as those you’re working with every single day.

    Welcome to Episode 80 of the Think Orange Podcast.

    Where To Listen:iTunes  |  Google Play  |  Stitcher  |  SoundCloud

    Topic Timeline

    K-Daddy shares the importance of letting those you lead know you believe in them (1:23)

    Today’s episode brought to us by The Orange Conference (3:22)

    Doug Fields talks about the value of people who can lead others well (5:30)

    Lead like you want to be led—what do you want from the people who are over you? (8:34)

    Every leader is a bundle of strengths and weaknesses (10:49)

    Leadership shouldn’t be about comparison (11:08)

    Within the church, we need to improve in how we develop people (12:08)

    Team-focused leaders give up their pride (14:47)

    A spotlight leader puts the attention on others’ accomplishments and successes (15:46)

    Team-focused leaders give up perfectionism (16:51)

    Team-focused leaders give team members genuine belief (19:27)

    Belief is a decision, so remind people occasionally how talented they are (23:27)

    Praise in public; criticize in private (24:12)

    Sarah Bragg and Dan Scott interview Amber Baker (25:10)

    Understanding your team as individuals is important (27:24)

    Amber describes the four temperaments of the Real Colors Personality Test (27:51)

    The art of getting the most out of every personality type and keeping your team on the same page (32:03)

    A foundation of trust is critical for building a dynamic team (34:01)

    Having people in the right roles is key to growing your team (35:18)

    Tips for hiring and firing well (37:44)

    Alignment is a constant, consistent process (39:27)

    Advice for leaders whose teams are hanging by a thread (41:42)

    How to choose a personality or temperament assessment that’s right for you and your team (43:45)

    Dave’s final thoughts (47:18)

    People, Places & Helpful Resources

    The Orange Conference 2019

    Real Colors Personality Test

    Zoom Video Communication

    Featured Guests

    AMBER BAKER

    Currently Amber is one of the Children’s Pastors at Grace Church of Glendora in Glendora, CA . She loves working with teams, equipping volunteers, empowering parents, and raising kids to be leaders today. Amber Baker has a degree in Christian Ministries and a MA in Organizational Leadership. She’s also a certified Real Colors Temperament Trainer and an Adjunct at Azusa Pacific University. Learn more about Amber at www.amberbaker.me.

    DOUG FIELDS

    Doug Fields is a communicator, author, & consultant. He is the Senior Director of HomeWord’s Center for Youth/Family at Azusa Pacific University, the co-founder of Downloadyouthministry.com, and the author of more than 50 books. More information about Doug is available at www.dougfields.com.

    Quotes from This Episode

    When you’re authentically yourself and you lead how you wish you were led, you’ll be a great leader. – @DougFields
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    To bring out the best in others, you have to be intentional about it—it’s not accidental. – @DougFields
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    If you’re an insecure leader, you’ll never bring out the best in others. – @DougFields
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    With any team, a foundation of trust is most important. – @AmberDBaker
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    Leaders must be students of their teams and each individual’s personality and communication style. – @AmberDBaker
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    Ideas to Influence the Next Generation

    In his book The Five Dysfunctions of a Team, Patrick Lencioni says, “Teamwork doesn’t require great intellectual insights or masterful tactics. More than anything else, it comes down to courage and persistence.”

    The courage . . .
    to consider a viewpoint different from your own.
    to have an awkward conversation in order to achieve clarity.
    to help team members reconcile when they don’t see eye to eye.

    The persistence . . .
    to not write someone off based on one mistake.
    to meet regularly, even when life gets busy.
    to fight for the heart of each individual team member.

    Conversation Starters For Your Church

    Describe a time someone praised you publicly. What was it for and how did it make you feel?

    As you consider your personal leadership style, what are some things you value in those who lead you?

    Is there an area of your ministry you’ve been trying to control to the detriment of those you lead? What’s something you can do in the next month to let go of perfectionism in order to empower a future leader?

    Who is someone on your team who could use encouragement or a “way to go!” this week?

    What’s a step you can take in better understanding the individual personalities of those on your team?

    Your Host

    DAVE ADAMSON

    When he’s not working as a pastor at North Point Ministries in Atlanta, Dave is usually making his family cross their arms, roll their eyes, and tap their feet while he takes “just one more quick photo” on family outings. You’ll also often find him up to his neck in “Jewish stuff” as he researches the cultural context of Jesus for his daily Instagram devotions. Learn more about Dave at daveadamson.tv.

    Join Us Next Week

    Thank you for listening to the Think Orange Podcast.

    We hope you’ll join us for next week’s episode. More importantly, we hope that when you think next generation, you think Orange.

    Jan 22 2019

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    079: Accomplishing More by Doing Less

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  • The new year is a popular time for saying “yes.” “Yes” to more family time. “Yes” to exercise. “Yes” to getting plenty of rest. But what if this year, you could accomplish all these things and more because of a decision to say “no” instead?

    Today on The Pod, Frank Bealer and EJ Swanson join us to talk about the practice of slowing down. As two ministry leaders fluent in large-church ministry and high-level responsibility, Frank and EJ are pros at being efficient with their time while still leaning into relationships. They share how we can all slow down and manage our days in a way that won’t drive us—or our families—to the breaking point.

    Where To Listen:iTunes  |  Google Play  |  Stitcher  |  SoundCloud

    Topic Timeline

    Dave and Kacey talk New Year’s resolutions (2:47)

    Today’s episode brought to us by The Orange Conference (7:17)

    Frank Bealer addresses three lies leaders tell themselves about their calendars (8:53)

    Lie 1: This is just a busy season. (8:53)

    Lie 2: Next week will be better. (11:52)

    Lie 3: Everyone understands. (15:57)

    50 percent of people who get involved in vocational ministry quit within the first 5 years (21:32)

    Sarah Bragg and Holly Crawshaw interview EJ Swanson (22:09)

    How EJ knew it was time to slow down and focus on local church ministry (27:09)

    One of the benefits of slowing down is getting to know yourself better (29:06)

    Sometimes saying “yes” is taking opportunity, but in saying “no” you can give of yourself instead (31:49)

    Prioritizing engagements based on relationships (35:08)

    As leaders, sometimes we can feel like we’re better at ministry than at being parents or spouses (37:47)

    Practical advice for saying “no” (40:45)

    Our kids and families won’t always be there—slowing down ensures you get to be there for the important moments (43:29)

    Dave’s final thoughts (45:40)

    This new year, make a list of the things you’ll say “no” to (46:17)

    People, Places & Helpful Resources

    The Orange Conference

    Simple Church by Thom S. Rainer and Eric Geiger

    Featured Guests

    E.J. SWANSON

    E.J leads a team of NextGen Pastors and Directors across thirteen campuses at Woodside Bible Church in The Metro Detroit area. Passionate about people, E.J. oversees staff, volunteers, strategies, and leadership development for kids, students, and young adults at Woodside. He continues to speak to over 150,000 students and adults per year.

    E.J. is the founder of IWontWatch.com and Spirituallifeweek.com and is involved in some of America’s, most innovative and fastest-growing ministries. He has shared the stage and toured with many artists including The David Crowder Band, Mercy Me, Hawk Nelson, Shawn McDonald, Matt Maher, Big Daddy Weave, and Building 429. E.J. lives in Troy, MI, with his lovely bride, Abbey, and daughter, Ruth.

    Learn more about E.J. at http://nextgenministry.org/.

    FRANK BEALER

    Frank is the Executive Director of Leadership Development at Orange / The reThink Group and CEO of Phase Family Centers. Prior to Orange he was the Family Pastor at Elevation Church in Charlotte North Carolina where he oversaw family ministry at more than a dozen locations. He recently released his first book, “The Myth of Balance”. Frank is married to Jess and together they have four children.

    Learn more about Frank at https://www.helpingleaderswin.com/.

    Quotes from This Episode

    If you can’t put an end date on the thing that’s causing you to have an extra busy season, it’s your reality—not a season. – @fbealer
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    Saying “no” to something always gives you the opportunity to say “yes” to something better. – @ejswanson
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    If we’re focused on what we’re missing out on, we can’t focus on what’s next. – @ejswanson
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    Ideas to Influence the Next Generation

    Saying “no” isn’t easy. There’s a reason so many books have been written about drawing boundaries and setting priorities. With a little practice and a heap of self-awareness though, each of us has what it takes to slow down and point ourselves in the direction of what matters most.

    Know your limits.

    We all have that person we admire for their ability to get things done. But the reality is, we all have different limitations when it comes to what we can accomplish in a day, week, or season of life. Slowing down will allow you to carefully consider your own personal capacity. And if you’re not sure how to evaluate how much is too much, try talking to those closest to you or maybe check out a personality assessment or strengths indicator for guidance.

    Simplify church-wide.

    Is the reason you feel as though you’re constantly running from thing to thing because you have way too many things on your church calendar? If so, it might be time to meet with your team and discuss which programs it’s time to say “no” to. Sure, this can be difficult to do. But in time, you may discover you’re not the only one relieved by fewer programming items. The volunteers and families you serve will thank you as well. (For strategies on how to do this effectively, check out the book Simple Church by Thom S. Rainer and Eric Geiger.)

    Multiply yourself.

    Relationships matter most, and when it comes to being in ministry, there’s a limit to how many quality relationships you can invest in. While recruiting and training volunteers may sound like a lot of work (and it is), surrounding yourself with a team of well-equipped small group leaders will ultimately save you time and maximize your impact down the road.

    Conversation Starters For Your Church

    What keeps you from saying no (e.g., fear, insecurity, or a desire to feel needed)

    What are a few items you could put on your no list in 2019?

    What’s a role or responsibility you hold that you could equip another leader or volunteer to take the lead on instead?

    Your Hosts

    DAVE ADAMSON

    When he’s not working as a pastor at North Point Ministries in Atlanta, Dave is usually making his family cross their arms, roll their eyes, and tap their feet while he takes “just one more quick photo” on family outings. You’ll also often find him up to his neck in “Jewish stuff” as he researches the cultural context of Jesus for his daily Instagram devotions. Learn more about Dave at daveadamson.tv.

    KACEY LANIER

    Kacey serves as the Director of Inbound Marketing at The reThink Group, Inc.

    Join Us Next Week

    Thank you for listening to the Think Orange Podcast.

    We hope you’ll join us for next week’s episode. More importantly, we hope that when you think next generation, you think Orange.

    Jan 08 2019

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    078: Gen Z, Small Groups and Singing: The Best of Ashley Bohinc

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  • It’s a bittersweet day here at the Think Orange Podcast as we celebrate and commemorate Ashley Bohinc’s last show as a regular host (don’t worry though, she’s not going far!).

    In honor of the self-proclaimed “lead singer of the podcast,” Dave and Ashley are recapping Ashley’s most insightful, moving and musical contributions to the show. This, of course, means talking about Small Group Leaders, generational differences and Taylor Swift.

    The Think Orange Podcast is so thankful for Ashley’s time on the show. We know that in her next endeavors, she’ll bring her contagious joy and vast knowledge on all things next generation with her. As for the rest of us, Merry Christmas and we’ll see you in 2019!

    Where To Listen:iTunes  |  Google Play  |  Stitcher  |  SoundCloud

    Topic Timeline

    Ashley and Dave Kick-off the show (00:15)

    Ashley’s Spotify Playlist of all her Christmas songs (3:25)

    Dave talks about Ashley’s new role (5:00)

    The best of Ashley Behind episode explained (6:35)

    The Orange Conference 2019 (9:05)

    Ashley’s story about Starbucks at the airport and sings “Killing Me Softly” with producer Kevin (11:20)

    Ashley talks with Joseph Sojourner about valuing the different generations (17:25)

    Ashley and Leslie Bolser talk about what partnership between schools and churches look like (22:30)

    • Clarify what is the school win is
    • Understanding what the Church win is
    • Find out if those two wins intersect
    • Find out if lack of intersecting wins matters to the church (for example: if it’s just a win for the school… not the church… do you still want to do it?)

    Ashley and Sam Collier discuss why small group leaders matter (30:00)

    Ashley and Afton clarify the win for small group leaders (34:05)

    Ashley and Afton talk about answering hard questions (40:00)

    Ashley’s singing montage (45:45)

    Dave and Ashley wrap up the episode (45:46)

    People, Places & Helpful Resources

    Episode 067: Leveraging Culture and Creativity with Joseph Sojourner

    Episode 073: Helping Local Schools Win with Leslie Bolser

    Episode 069: Helping Students Find Their Voice with Sam Collier

    Episode 026: Clarifying the Win for Small Group Leaders with Afton Phillips

    The Orange Conference 2019

    ReThinking Youth Ministry Podcast

    AshleyBohinc.com

    Featured Guests

    ASHLEY BOHINC

    Ashley serves as the Director of Middle School Strategy at Orange and the USA Director of Carry 117. She has worked with students in public education, athletic and ministry settings for the last 12 years. She is most passionate about resourcing the local church, communicating on stage, developing leaders, working with students and world missions. In her downtime, you’ll find her watching Friends, cheering on the Cleveland Cavaliers, traveling, reading, or on one of her Fairytale Friday Adventures.

    Quotes from This Episode

    “We don’t want students to memorize information, we want them to apply it to their lives.” @AshleyBohinc
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    “Every generation is different. No one is better than the other, we’re just different.” @AshleyBohinc
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    “Teach a child that it’s okay to wonder about God than by wondering with them.” @AshleyBohinc
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    Ideas to Influence the Next Generation

    1. Every generation is different but equally valuable.

    Each generation thinks and values differently than the generation that came before them. What’s important to Baby Boomers isn’t necessarily important to Millennials, and what Millennials value isn’t necessarily important to Gen Z.

    Sometimes we, the church, look at the next generation and notice all the things they need to change. But what if instead of asking them to change, we figure out what they value. When we show them that what’s important to them is also important to us, we can become the church that they love and are going to lead one day.

    2. Wins for small group leaders

    Small group leaders are most powerful when they show up, every-time, over the course of time. Consistency means moving students from reciting the information they’re learning at church to applying the information to their lives.

    3. It’s okay to wonder

    Sometimes kids ask hard questions. Like, why aren’t dinosaurs in the Bible? or If heaven is so perfect, why did Satan leave? Your impact as a SGL isn’t in knowing the right answer to every question, but in showing kids that they’re empowered to wonder and discover God.

    Conversation Starters For Your Church

    What are some of the negative things you’ve heard about Gen Z (students who are under 18 right now)? How can you turn those negative assumptions into a moment of learning what they value? How can you use that new value-set to attract them to church?

    Recruiting Small Group Leaders is great! But, retaining them is better. What training or support could you provide for your SGLs to make them feel like they are well-equipped to lead students?

    Your Hosts

    DAVE ADAMSON

    When he’s not working as a pastor at North Point Ministries in Atlanta, Dave is usually making his family cross their arms, roll their eyes, and tap their feet while he takes “just one more quick photo” on family outings. You’ll also often find him up to his neck in “Jewish stuff” as he researches the cultural context of Jesus for his daily Instagram devotions. Learn more about Dave at daveadamson.tv.

    ASHLEY BOHINC

    Ashley serves as the Director of Middle School Strategy at Orange and the USA Director of Carry 117. She has worked with students in public education, athletic and ministry settings for the last 12 years. She is most passionate about resourcing the local church, communicating on stage, developing leaders, working with students and world missions. In her downtime, you’ll find her watching Friends, cheering on the Cleveland Cavaliers, traveling, reading, or on one of her Fairytale Friday Adventures.

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    Thank you for listening to the Think Orange Podcast.

    We hope you’ll join us for next week’s episode. More importantly, we hope that when you think next generation, you think Orange.

    Dec 18 2018

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    077: Dealing with Burnout, Cynicism, and Isolation as a Ministry Leader

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  • We travel all around the country, talking to thousands of leaders, and over and over we hear stories of burnout, cynicism, and isolation. In today’s interview-only episode of The Think Orange Podcast, Carey Nieuwhof dives into issues affecting many young leaders and pastors today. Through the framework of his new book Didn’t See It Coming, Carey talks candidly about some of the most common challenges leaders face. From personal experience and years of insight, Carey shares steps for breaking the cycle of pain by breaking out of isolation and taking steps today that will help you thrive tomorrow.

    Where To Listen:iTunes  |  Google Play  |  Stitcher  |  SoundCloud

    Topic Timeline

    Dave and Ashley introduce Dave’s interview with Carey Nieuwhof (4:56)

    This episode sponsored by Orange Conference 2019 (8:11)

    Disclaimer: This episode contains content related to self-harm, depression, and suicidal ideation (9:25)

    Interview with Carey Nieuwhof (10:15)

    Generating blog, podcast, and other media content in an age of increasing transparency (13:12)

    Vulnerability doesn’t mean sharing everything with everyone—when sharing publicly, start from a place of asking, “Is this helpful?” (15:18)

    Using personal experiences to build empathy (17:29)

    Ways technology and social media can contribute to cynicism (21:57)

    “Cynicism roots itself in knowledge.” (23:21)

    Projecting past failures or hurts onto new situations can cause you to miss out on the joy of life (25:36)

    The antidote to cynicism is hope (26:47)

    The antidote to burnout is to live in a way today that will help you thrive tomorrow (28:22)

    Charge your internal battery quickly by not cheating sleep, diet, and exercise (31:53)

    The seven specific challenges addressed in I Didn’t See It Coming (33:00)

    • Cynicism
    • Compromise
    • Disconnection
    • Irrelevance
    • Pride
    • Burnout
    • Emptiness

    The importance of addressing even seemingly minor moral compromises as a leader (34:30)

    Handling feelings of emptiness by keeping perspective (39:18)

    Observations from the life of Solomon and the tale of two kingdoms (41:33)

    Carey’s past experience with suicidal thoughts and self-pity (45:34)

    You have no idea what the next decade may bring for you (49:54)

    If you’re experiencing depression, burnout, or anything of the sort, don’t live in a place of isolation—stop what you’re doing right now and tell someone (52:25)

    Advice for someone who knows an individual they think are in the middle of a particular challenge they haven’t recognized yet: Questions are a gateway to conversation (54:13)

    Dave and Carey conclude the interview in prayer (56:23)

    Dave and Ashley’s final thoughts (1:00:45)

    Dave’s description of the Hebrew word picture tikvah (1:04:12)

    If you need someone to share your challenge with or to pray with you, you can reach out to Dave and Ashley anytime at @aussiedave, @ashleybohinc, and 201-831-7155 (Dave’s cell) (1:06:17)

    People, Places & Helpful Resources

    Didn’t See It Coming: Overcoming the Seven Greatest Challenges That No One Expects and Everyone Experiences (book by Carey Nieuwhof)

    The Orange Conference 2019

    Featured Guests

    CAREY NIEUWHOF

    Carey Nieuwhof is a former lawyer and founding pastor of Connexus Church. He’s the author of several best-selling books, including his latest, Didn’t See It Coming, and speaks to leaders around the world about leadership, change and personal growth.

    The Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast and Carey’s blog at www.CareyNieuwhof.com are accessed by millions of leaders each year.

    Quotes from This Episode

    Live in a way today that will help you thrive tomorrow. – @cnieuwhof
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    The antidote to emptiness is dying to self. – @cnieuwhof
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    Self-pity is confession without forgiveness. – @cnieuwhof
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    You are most tempted to quit moments before your critical breakthrough. – @cnieuwhof
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    The best place to find resurrection is in a graveyard. – @cnieuwhof
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    Ideas to Influence the Next Generation

    As ministry leaders, we can become so accustomed to taking care of the needs of others that it feels out of place to care for ourselves. Maybe it feels selfish to draw attention to our needs or we feel shame for struggling. Or maybe we just don’t realize anything is wrong because we’re used to going a million miles a minute. In today’s episode, we talk about the dangers of going on “business as usual” and are challenged to establish a new normal. We see that growth doesn’t take place in isolation—it happens in relationship.

    Here are three places ministry leaders can seek to de-stigmatize the difficulties they face and learn how to practice vulnerability and perspective:

    Small groups. Whether a short-term group or a long-term community, finding a group of trusted individuals who will track with you on a regular basis is paramount in practicing vulnerability.

    Online communities. While there’s no substitute for face-to-face, consistent connection, social media and online forums can be a great place to connect with a community of people walking through the same issues as you.

    Professional help. You get counseling because you’re breathing, not because you’re broken. For help knowing where to start, consider reaching out to your church’s care team for recommendations to providers in your area.

    Conversation Starters For Your Church

    How would you describe vulnerability?

    What’s a hardship or challenge you wouldn’t understand if you hadn’t walked through it yourself?

    What actions can you take today to help you thrive tomorrow?

    Who is someone you can be 100 percent authentic with about the challenges you face?

    Your Hosts

    DAVE ADAMSON

    When he’s not working as a pastor at North Point Ministries in Atlanta, Dave is usually making his family cross their arms, roll their eyes, and tap their feet while he takes “just one more quick photo” on family outings. You’ll also often find him up to his neck in “Jewish stuff” as he researches the cultural context of Jesus for his daily Instagram devotions. Learn more about Dave at daveadamson.tv.

    ASHLEY BOHINC

    Ashley serves as the Director of Middle School Strategy at Orange and the USA Director of Carry 117. She has worked with students in public education, athletic and ministry settings for the last 12 years. She is most passionate about resourcing the local church, communicating on stage, developing leaders, working with students and world missions. In her downtime, you’ll find her watching Friends, cheering on the Cleveland Cavaliers, traveling, reading, or on one of her Fairytale Friday Adventures.

    Join Us Next Week

    Thank you for listening to the Think Orange Podcast.

    We hope you’ll join us for episode 78, Best of Ashley Bohinc. More importantly, we hope that when you think next generation, you think Orange.

    Dec 11 2018

    1hr 7mins

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