Conversation and stories that explore the way the world works. Produced by KUER 90.1 in Salt Lake City and hosted by Doug Fabrizio. Find archived episodes at http://radiowest.org
Conversation and stories that explore the way the world works. Produced by KUER 90.1 in Salt Lake City and hosted by Doug Fabrizio. Find archived episodes at http://radiowest.org
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Turning Kids Into Grown-Ups. Parenting is fraught with uncertainty, changing with each generation. This hour, TED speakers share ideas about raising kids and how — despite our best efforts — we're probably still doing it wrong. Guests include former Stanford dean Julie Lythcott-Haims, former firefighter Caroline Paul, author Peggy Orenstein, psychologist Dr. Aala El-Khani, and poet Sarah Kay.
Parenting Doesn't Matter (Or Not As Much As You Think). The multibillion-pound parenting industry tells us we can all shape our children to be joyful, resilient and successful. But what if it’s all bunk? Intelligence Squared are bringing together a panel of top geneticists and parenting experts to explore just how important parenting is.Arguing in favour of the motion are Robert Plomin, Psychologist and Professor of Behavioural Genetics at the Institute of Psychiatry, Psychology and Neuroscience at King’s College London; and Stuart Ritchie, Lecturer in the Social Genetic and Developmental Psychiatry Centre at King’s College London.Arguing against the motion were Susan Pawlby, a developmental Clinical Psychologist with over 30 years of experience working with mothers and babies both in clinical and research contexts; and Ann Pleshette Murphy, a therapist, parenting counsellor and advocate for young children and their families.The debate was chaired by Xand van Tulleken, a medical doctor and broadcaster who has presented numerous shows for the BBC and Channel 4, often alongside his identical twin brother Chris. For information regarding your data privacy, visit acast.com/privacy
The Global Philosopher: Should Borders Matter?. Michael Sandel explores the philosophical justifications made for national borders. Using a pioneering state-of-the-art studio at the Harvard Business School, Professor Sandel is joined by 60 participants from over 30 countries in a truly global digital space. Is there any moral distinction between a political refugee and an economic migrant? If people have the right to exit a country, why not a right to enter? Do nations have the right to protect the affluence of their citizens? And is there such a thing as a 'national identity'? These are just some of the questions addressed by Professor Sandel in this first edition of The Global Philosopher.Audience producer: Louise ColettaProducer: David EdmondsEditor: Richard Knight(Image taken by Rose Lincoln)
#138 — The Edge of Humanity. In this episode of the Making Sense podcast, Sam Harris speaks with Yuval Noah Harari about his new book “21 Lessons for the 21st Century.” They discuss the importance of meditation for his intellectual life, the primacy of stories, the need to revise our fundamental assumptions about human civilization, the threats to liberal democracy, a world without work, universal basic income, the virtues of nationalism, the implications of AI and automation, and other topics. You can support the Making Sense podcast and receive subscriber-only content at SamHarris.org/subscribe.
Rank #1: General authority talks about race, Joseph Smith’s polygamy, the LGBTQ policy and more | Episode 93. For nearly two decades, Elder Steven E. Snow has served as a general authority for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.The past seven or so years, he has been the church historian, overseeing the faith’s history department. During that time, he has led the release of “Saints,” the first in a planned four-volume narrative history of the church, and the production of landmark essays that tackle some of the pricklier points of Latter-day Saint history and teachings.Snow, who is poised to receive official emeritus status in the coming fall General Conference, talks about his tenure and some of the issues he confronted, including:• How to explain Brigham Young’s role in the former race-based priesthood ban.• How to detail the early days of Mormon polygamy and Joseph Smith’s plural wives, including one who was 14.• The much-publicized news conference showcasing the so-called “seer stone” that historians say Joseph Smith used to translate the Book of Mormon, the faith’s signature scripture.• His reaction to the controversial 2015 policy on LGBTQ couples and their children, and the subsequent reversal.• His relationship with former Church Historian Marlin Jensen, a fellow Democrat in a religion dominated by Republicans.• His commitment to the environment and his hopes for more eco-friendly policies from the faith.• His excitement over the dynamic changes taking place under church President Russell M. Nelson.Listen here.
Rank #2: How to reach out in love to members who are questioning, or have left, the faith | Episode 92. Stories of members walking away from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are legion. And plenty of books have been written in recent years documenting and addressing the concerns of these disaffected members.But what can loved ones and leaders still in the faith do to help, to serve, to embrace these onetime believers?That’s what David Ostler explores in his new book, “Bridges: Ministering to Those Who Question.” A retired business executive, Ostler, who has lived on several continents and has served as a bishop, stake president and mission president, discusses his findings in this week’s “Mormon Land” podcast.
Rank #1: Episode 01: Fanny Alger. Join Lindsay for the primer series on Mormon Polygamy that will begin with the wives of Joseph Smith and eventually broaden to contemporary strains of the practice today. This episode deals with Joseph’s first plural wife, Fanny Alger. Links and text mentioned and read in this podcast: Read the text of the post here. Buy […]
Rank #2: Episode 161: History of the Word of Wisdom. Join Lindsay as she covers the early history of the Mormon idea of the “Word of Wisdom.” Links mentioned or read in this podcast: Clair Barrus’ research draft on Word of Wisdom History of the Word of Wisdom by Scott Kenney Fair Mormon’s take on Joseph Smith drinking in Carthage Clair Barrus’ website
Rank #1: 273: Valiancy in the Pre-mortal Life and False Doctrine. Today We cover the general topic of ascertaining God’s will both from our perspective and all the way to the top of how leaders have done it. We use the specific issue of theology surrounding valiancy in the Pre-mortal life to make the point. The question is simply this. If Church leaders have taught theology and even labeled some as doctrine believing that they had attained some deeper knowledge from God …. and that members of their day held and sustained those teachings as true…… only to have later leaders disavow those teachings and teach contrary to them…. and for todays members to know today’s leaders are right and have worked out the theological kinks, then what chance do any of us have in attaining and real understanding of what God is trying to reveal to the extent that in any given moment we know for sure we have it right? Today we show that what leaders taught in the past on valiance in the Pre-mortal life was not only offensive, and shameful, and hurtful but it runs counter to what the Church teaches on some of those issues today…. and perhaps there could be room to see us doing the same damaging behavior today in over reaching …. just on other things. Thanks to Jonathon Streeter for his Blog Post on this subject of which with his permission I borrow heavily from! Resource: http://thoughtsonthingsandstuff.com/mormon-handicaps/ Become a Premium Subscriber: Monthy: $3 Yearly: $25$50$100$250 Support the podcast by purchasing from Amazon HERE. The post 273: Valiancy in the Pre-mortal Life and False Doctrine appeared first on Mormon Discussions Podcasts - Full Lineup.
Rank #2: Mormon Discussion: 316: Elder Holland – Liar Liar Pants on Fire. Today we explore Elder Holland. First I discuss the personal relationship Elder Holland and I have/had. The trouble is once the biased lens of Mormonism was shed from my eyes I began to realize something else about Elder Holland which is that he seems to be deceptive and flat out lying on multiple occasions. And often about small things that seemed to indicate a person who easily decides and chooses to exaggerate and deceive. We review five examples in this episode and some of this are absolutely demonstrable. 1.) Elder Holland claims to hold the very copy of the book of Mormon that Bethsheba, Hyrum Smith’s wife, had in her possession from which Hyrum Smith the prophets brother read to her and had turned the corner of the page down from where he read. The problem is that the copy Elder Holland holds up in his hand at General conference is distinctly different from the copy in the Church History department claimed to be the same book. RESOURCES: – https://www.flickr.com/photos/nickleus/sets/72157623567278714/ – Safety for the Soul conference Talk – http://www.salamandersociety.com/foyer/prophets/jeffreyrholland/ 2.) Elder Holland when asked about the Church’s contribution to Prop 8 says that the Church did not give “One Red Cent” to the fight against Same Sex Marriage in California. Problem is it gave a reported amount of almost $200,000. Some want to debate over whether it was cash or in kind donations but to battle over rhetoric seems to be a sly way to find a loophole. RESOURCES: – https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/same-sex-marriage-and-proposition-8 – https://www.huffingtonpost.com/fred-karger/mormongate—-the-churchs_b_163016.html – http://www.missedinsunday.com/memes/lgbtq/proposition-8/ – https://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/15/us/politics/15marriage.html – https://www.dailydot.com/irl/mormon-church-gay-marriage-prop-8/ 3.) Elder Holland tells a faith promoting story about a missionary who out on his mission is led by the spirit to his older brother who had severed his relationship with his family years earlier. Elder Holland had told this story for years and other General Authorities before him had shared it. The problem is the story was a false faith promoting narrative. Each telling contained different contradicting details and too far fetched too believe of a story-line. Soon after the Deseret News picked up on the story, the far fetched details began to be questioned by critical thinking Mormons and Elder Holland through the Deseret News and Church PR quickly distanced himself from the story. But even his side of how he came to learn the story was inaccurate is problematic. RESOURCES: – Cache of Original Story – https://www.deseretnews.com/article/865685840/Elder-Holland-withdraws-Church-News-missionary-story.html – Radio Free Mormon Episode detailing the deception – http://kuer.org/post/mormon-apostle-withdraws-embellished-story#stream/0 – Bill Reel’s questioning the validity before Elder Holland’s retraction 4.) Elder Holland when asked directly whether Mitt Romney would have made penalty oaths in the temple answers NO. Problem, such is a flat out lie. RESOURCES: – Youtube Clip showing the lie – https://www.cityweekly.net/BuzzBlog/archives/2012/06/05/bbc-interview-with-lds-leader-earns-controversy – https://www.reddit.com/r/mormon/comments/7c2tuq/did_holland_lie_semantic_analysis_of_jeffrey_r/ – Jonathon Streeter’s dissection of this event 5.) Elder Holland in a Regional meeting claims that the Church is growing in such a rate that it is creating Double Digit NEW Stake creation “every week of our lives”. The Problem is that the Church every year tells us the number of stakes in the Church at year end of the previous year. Elder Holland made this claim in early 2015 And from 2015 through 2017 the church consistently averaged 1.6 new stakes per week. This makes a fifth lie with this one being deeply demonstrable. RESOURCES: – The Youtube video of his claim – Apologetic response – The owner of this blog is trying to reconcile the claim and as you will see relies on anectdotal data as he struggles to have any real source for the claim further showing how much of a stretch the claim is – Conversation by Bill Reel searching for a way to reconcile this issue – Data exploration on this issue – Bill Reel Facebook post on such In conclusion one is left with their jaw on the floor trying to figure out why Elder Jeffrey R Holland is an habitual liar.Become a Premium Subscriber: Monthy: $3 Yearly: $25$50$100$250 Support the podcast by purchasing from Amazon HERE. The post Mormon Discussion: 316: Elder Holland – Liar Liar Pants on Fire appeared first on Mormon Discussions Podcasts - Full Lineup.
Rank #1: 774: 30 Questions Nobody Asks My Husband at Church - Julie DeAzevedo Hanks . In this episode of Mormon Stories/Transitions, John and Margi interview the brilliant Dr. Julie DeAzevedo Hanks about her article titled “30 Questions Nobody Asks My Husband at Church.” John, Margi, and Julie focus on the powerful cultural messages about gender, potential, life decisions, and worth that are broadcast in the questions we ask. During the interview, cultural assumptions are challenged in some of the questions from Julie’s article: Did you know that you are a son of your Heavenly Mother? What does your wife do for a living? Who’s watching your kids? Why are you getting a graduate degree? Will you go home and change? Your clothes are distracting the sisters. …and many more.
Rank #2: 860: Carol Lynn Pearson - The Ghost of Eternal Polygamy Pt. 1. Mormon Stories Podcast is excited to team up with Sunstone to present a recording of our live podcast on 1/25/18 with Carol Lynn Pearson where we discuss her book, The Ghost of Eternal Polygamy. Special thanks to the Salt Lake City Community of Christ for hosting such a wonderful evening and for the many listeners who came to enjoy the experience. These episodes closely follow the abstract of the book: "'Polygamy?' says the mainstream Mormon Church, “We gave that up long ago.” Not so, claims noted LDS poet and author Carol Lynn Pearson, who examines the issue as it has never been examined before. Any member of the LDS Church today who enters the practice of polygamy is immediately excommunicated. However, Pearson claims, polygamy itself has never been excommunicated, but has an honored and protected place at the table. It has only been postponed, a fact confirmed by thousands of “eternal sealings” giving a man an assurance that he will claim as wives in heaven the two, three, or even more women he has sequentially married during his lifetime. No such opportunity is available to women. Through her own personal stories, those of her ancestors, and the thousands of stories that came to her through an Internet survey, Pearson shows the power of the Ghost of Eternal Polygamy as it not only waits on the other side to greet the most righteous in heaven, but also haunts the living—hiding in the recesses of the Mormon psyche, inflicting profound pain and fear, assuring women that they are still objects, harming or destroying marriages, bringing chaos to family relationships, leading many to lose faith in the church and in God."
Rank #1: Ep 518 – Bill Reel: Why I left the Mormon Church and what I now think about God. Glenn sits down with fellow sorta-Mormon podcaster Bill Reel to talk about podcasting, the reasons why he eventually left the church, and what he now thinks about Life, the Universe, and God
Rank #2: Ep 432 – #NotMyProphet. LDS Prophet Thomas S. Monson recently passed away. Bob, Jake, Heather and Tom get on to discuss his passing. And according to Bob, he wasn’t no Gordon B. Hinckley… #NotMyProphet
Rank #1: 301: Ministering to those who Question: David Ostler. David Ostler is a former LDS Bishop, a Stake President and a Mission President. David has been kept awake at night by questions of what good pastoral care or ministry to those who question and doubt might look like. But, rather than guess (as is often the case), he went to both those in faith crisis and to those in leadership and he collected data. From that data his book ‘Bridges; Ministering to those who Question’ emerged, and the results are fascinating. This episode is co-hosted with Nathan McCluskey.
Rank #2: 258: Taking the Mormons to Court: Defending Sexual Abuse Victims against the LDS Church: Tim Kosnoff. Tim Kosnoff is a US attorney who has spent the last two decades representing victims of sexual abuse. His introduction to the LDS Church and their lawyers was when he represented Jeremiah Scott who was sexually abused by a serial paedophile Frank Curtis. His work, in this case, appears in Lisa Davis' legal thriller, 'The Sins of Brother Curtis.' This case has lead to a practice in which he has come to represent over 150 Mormon sexual abuse victims bringing him face to face with the Mormon law machine time and time again. Tim joins me to discuss his experiences as a representative and advocate for sexual abuse victims against the LDS Church.
Rank #1: 530: Impressions and Reflections on Changes to LDS Temple Ceremonies. This is a quick turnaround podcast episode both recorded and released on the day after LDS temples around the world implemented and offered to patrons a new version of the endowment ceremony, as well as changes to the scripts of both the sealing and women's initiatory ordinances. We do not go into great specific detail about the changes within the conversation presented here other than to reflect upon the greater equality now experienced between men and women within the rituals, as well as a offering a few references to other changes. What this episode DOES include, however, are wonderful reflections by three brilliant and powerful spiritual seekers—Jody England Hansen, Julie de Azevedo Hanks, and Mark Crego—about their experiences from either participating yesterday in the temple since the changes were implements and/or their having collected a great deal of reactions to them from Latter-day Saints.They also join with Mormon Matters host Dan Wotherspoon in helping frame what the temple ritual is and is not, the power of symbolic/mythic/ritual engagement in spiritual journeys, why changes to temple and other rituals are often made and why it is vital that they are. In these reflections, they each also share a bit about their own journeys to come to understand sacred texts—scripture, ritual scripts and practices, etc.—in new and far more profound ways than how they had earlier in their lives. We may have this episode together quickly, but the insights and their power are anything but rushed and easily forgotten. Please listen in! You will not regret it!
Rank #2: 239: Jesus Christ within Mormonism, Part 1. We Latter-day Saints "talk of Christ . . . rejoice in Christ . . . preach of Christ . . . prophesy of Christ . . . and write of Christ, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins" (2 Nephi 25:26). But have we always been consistent in our understanding of Christ? What are the evolutions in thought about Christ that we have undergone in the nearly two centuries since the church’s founding? How did earlier Latter-day Saints understand certain terms in ways that are different from today’s views? We Mormons also speak regularly of the importance of "coming unto Christ," "taking his name upon us," "standing as a witness for Christ," and "becoming perfect in Christ." What do we mean by these terms? Do they have multiple layers that can reveal great richness when we examine them deeply? In this five-part episode, Charley Harrell, Jody England Hansen, and Phil McLemore join Mormon Matters host Dan Wotherspoon in an extensive dive in both doctrinal and devotional aspects related to our Christian beliefs and experiences.
Rank #1: Ashley - 01. Welcome to Celestial Sex, an interview series hosted by Chris Duce and produced by Colin Hatch, where we have frank and open conversations about sexuality in the context of growing up Mormon. This week we welcome Ashley, a literature student seeking her Master's degree. She shares some amazing stories about -Primitive sexting experiences -Getting her first pube -Sex talks with her mom -Being a feminist and mormon -The different ways girls and boys are treated in the church -and more! Below is a reading list from Ashley of good books to read to understand female experience: 1. i love dick by chris kraus 2. empathy exams by leslie jamison 3. the bell jar by sylvia plath 4. little women by louisa may alcott 5. my brilliant friend by elena ferrante You can donate to Celestial Sex through Venmo - @chrisduce - Your donation is not tax deductible :) Feel free to email us at firstname.lastname@example.org And add us on Facebook at facebook.com/Celestialsex
Rank #2: Scott and Mitzi Cannon. Welcome to Celestial Sex, hosted by Chris Duce and produced by Colin Hatch, where we have frank and open conversations about sex. In this episode we speak with Scott and Mitzi Cannon (our first couple!) about each of their Mormon upbringings, marriage, differing libidos, porn, shame, and their faith journey. Make sure you listen to Scott Cannon's testimony that we just released to get a sense of what Scott went through while he was struggling with shame surrounding his porn use. If you'd like to support the show you can become a patron at patreon.com/celestialsex. There, you'll get access to every episode of the show and we'll send you a Welcome Kit in the mail! You can also send a one-time donation on Venmo @chrisduce. Please follow us online on Twitter and Instagram @celestialsexpod or find us on Facebook at facebook.com/celestialsex If you'd like to be on the show or tell us a story you can email us at email@example.com or call us at (YES) 6969-LDS
Rank #1: CC - The Book of Mormon. On this episode, we attempt to deconstruct the Book of Mormon, just to see what it really is, and where it really came from. Turns out we only scratch the surface, even though the episode really is that long... You might want to digest it in smaller bytes. Time Stamps: Introduction – 4:00 Historical Context – 7:00 Authorship – 41:00 David Michael Interview – 2:32:00 Content/Claims – 3:45:00 Rachel Nanon Brown Interview – 4:44:00 King James Bible plagiarisms – 5:50:00 John H. Gilbert (typesetter) affidavit – 6:12:30 Golden Plates today – 6:19:00 Conclusion 6:33:00 Elder Holland clip – 6:49:00 Show links New GoFundMe page: https://www.gofundme.com/6months2books Patreon: https://patreon.com/nakedmormonism Website: http://nakedmormonismpodcast.comTwitter: @NakedMormonismFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Naked-Mormonism/370003839816311Outro music by Jason Comeau: http://aloststateofmind.com/ Links: WordTree Foundation "How the Book of Mormon Destroyed Mormonism" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAGasQ7j_ZI UTLM source books list http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/bomindianorigins.htm Bown's research of 100 similarities between "Manuscript Found" and "Book of Mormon" http://solomonspalding.com/SRP/SCIOTA/SRPpap12.htm Joseph Smith quotes "The View of the Hebrews" http://www.mormonhandbook.com/home/view-of-the-hebrews.html The First Book of Napoleon https://ia801406.us.archive.org/26/items/firstbooknapole00gruagoog/firstbooknapole00gruagoog.pdf The Late War of 1812 https://archive.org/details/latewarbetweenunusb00hunt Fair Mormon chiasmus article http://en.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Mormon/Evidences/Hebraisms/Chiasmus Book of Mormon anachronisms http://mybigquestions.info/My_Big_Questions/BOM_Anachronisms.html Metallurgy in Pre-Columbian era https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallurgy_in_pre-Columbian_America WordTree Foundation "How the Book of Mormon Destroyed Mormonism" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAGasQ7j_ZI WordTree Study website plagiarism article http://askreality.com/hidden-in-plain-sight/ Lucy Mack Smith article about the Smith family in her memior http://www.utlm.org/newsletters/no114.htm Book of Mormon direct Bible plagiarisms http://www.mormonismdisproved.org/plagiarism.html John H. Gilbert affidavit (Printer for the Book of Mormon) http://www.boap.org/LDS/Early-Saints/JHGilbert.html Cumorah's Cave by Cameron J. Packer (Direct Download) https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CB0QFjAAahUKEwiUl-fY6YTJAhVW8WMKHS0UD6g&url=https%3A%2F%2Fojs.lib.byu.edu%2Fspc%2Findex.php%2FJBMRS%2Farticle%2Fdownload%2F20046%2F18606&usg=AFQjCNHrgdW1ew80cUGY7OznFh0PA0i3EQ&sig2=3BdP4M-OzYb7kYNWly60sg&cad=rja WordTree Foundation "How the Book of Mormon Destroyed Mormonism" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAGasQ7j_ZI Intro voices with their links: James -Traders Edge Podcast: http://www.tradersedgenetwork.com/ Matthew the Apostle – In the name of God Podcast: http://nameofgod.podbean.com/ Paul - Quranify Me, & Atheist Apocalypse: http://www.atheistapocalypse.com/ https://www.youtube.com/user/quranifyme/videos Heretic Woman - Atheists on Air, Beyond the Trailer Park, & Atheist Apocalypse: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6EPKl93_zMPY6tEI670nVg/videos David Michael – My Book of Mormon: http://mybookofmormonpodcast.com/ Noah and Lucinda Lugeons – Scathing Atheist, Skepticrat, and God Awful Movies: http://scathingatheist.com/ http://skepticrat.libsyn.com/ http://godawfulmovies.libsyn.com/
Rank #2: Ep 100 – Mormonism and Masonry Inextricably Tied. On this episode, we dive into the world of Masonry and Mormonism. In 1842, Joseph ascended to Master Mason “at-sight,” and seven weeks later revealed his Temple Endowment ceremony. If we view more of Joseph Smith’s timeline, we find Masonry was highly influential on the prophet from his earliest years, long before the Book of Mormon ever entered the public sphere. Cheryl Bruno, who is currently writing a book on Mormonism and Masonry, joins us periodically to help us walk through the history of these intertwining fields of philosophy. Links: Episode Regius Poem http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/regius.html History of Freemasonry http://www.msana.com/historyfm.asp MormonThink on Masonry and Mormonism http://www.mormonthink.com/temple.htm#masons William Morgan affair https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Morgan_(anti-Mason)#Aftermath:_the_anti-Masonic_movement Free Masonry its Pretensions Exposed https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=FAsAAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&output=reader&hl=en&pg=GBS.PR1 Dictionary of Symbolical Masonry Rev G. Oliver http://www.sacred-texts.com/mas/dun/dun09.htm Founding Fathers in Masonry http://freemasoninformation.com/masonic-education/famous/united-states-masonic-founding-fathers/ Age of Enlightenment and Freemasonry http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/freemasonry_enlightenment.html Masonic Presidents http://www.32nddegreemasons.org/what-is-the-scottish-rite/little-known-facts/ Scottish rite Order of High Priesthood http://www.travelingtemplar.com/2012/04/order-of-high-priesthood.html Order of Melchisedek http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/love.html Mormon Endowment and Masonic Ascendency comparison http://www.mormonismi.net/jamesdavid/masendow.htm Mormonism and Freemasonry comparison http://www.salamandersociety.com/foyer/masons/ Occult and Masonic Influence in Early Mormonism http://mit.irr.org/occultic-and-masonic-influence-in-early-mormonism Mason-Mormon ties: What’s fact, what’s fiction http://archive.sltrib.com/story.php?ref=/faith/ci_3401255 Scott Gordon FairMormon Mormon Temples and Freemasonry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsbsG-kE2W0 Mormon Expression 144-145 http://redninjas.com/files/MormonExpression/ Other projects: Protect LDS Children documentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zXcUQfuPaA&t=721s Mormon Satan, Brother of Jesus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yonzAxOLbBc Show Links: Website http://nakedmormonismpodcast.com Twitter @NakedMormonism Facebook https://www.facebook.com/pages/Naked-Mormonism/370003839816311 Patreon http://patreon.com/nakedmormonism Music by Jason Comeau http://aloststateofmind.com/ Show Artwork http://weirdmormonshit.com/ Legal Counsel http://patorrez.com/
Rank #1: #1- Terryl and Fiona Givens, on faith, doubt, and The God Who Weeps [MIPodcast]. This first episode of the Maxwell Institute Podcast features Fiona and Terryl Givens, authors of The God Who Weeps: How Mormonism Makes Sense of Life. We talk briefly about the book—subjects like the character of God, premortality, and human agency—which you can learn more about in Episode 23 of “The Mormon Book Review.” This interview focuses more closely on the Givenses recent string of firesides and symposia discussing the navigation of faith crises. Fiona and Terryl speak about negotiations between faith and the intellect, individuality and Mormon culture, and plenty more besides.Thanks for all of the questions you submitted through Facebook and email.[display_podcast]Selected sources mentioned in this episode: Edward Beecher, The Conflict of Ages: or, the great debate on the moral relations of god and man (Boston: Phillips, Sampson & Company, 1853), available on Google books and archive.org. Elder Jeffrey R. Holland, “Lord, I Believe,” April 2013 General Conference. Neylan McBaine, “To Do the Business of the Church: A Cooperative Paradigm for Examining Gendered Participation Within Church Organizational Structure,” 2012 FAIR Conference. Gerrit Dirkmaat, “Great and Marvelous Are the Revelations of God,” Ensign (January 2013). You can subscribe to the Maxwell Institute Podcast through iTunes. Help our podcast grow by rating and reviewing it there. The podcatcher RSS feed is mi.byu.edu/feed/podcast. Send questions or comments about this and other episodes to firstname.lastname@example.org.The post #1- Terryl and Fiona Givens, on faith, doubt, and The God Who Weeps [MIPodcast] appeared first on Neal A. Maxwell Institute | BYU.
Rank #2: #54—The Sin of Certainty, with Peter Enns [MIPodcast]. Perhaps you’ve experienced moments of doubt about your religious faith. Or maybe you’re one of the people who find doubt to be a more frequent companion in your spiritual life. Either way, doubt can be unsettling and uncomfortable. Biblical scholar Peter Enns suggests that part of the problem is that many Christians have come to prize certainty as a hallmark of true faith in God. His new book is called The Sin of Certainty. Drawing on history, scripture, and personal experiences, Enns argues that believers can handle the most difficult questions if they stop needing to be right all the time and instead focus more on trusting God. “Doubt,” he writes, “is only the enemy of faith when we equate faith with certainty.” About Peter Enns Peter Enns is the Abram S. Clemens Professor of Biblical Studies at Eastern University, St. Davids, Pennsylvania. His books include Inspiration and Incarnation, The Bible Tells Me So, and The Evolution of Adam. His most recent book is called The Sin of Certainty: Why God Desires Our Trust More Than Our “Correct” Beliefs. Transcript READ HERE→ * Subscribe to the Maxwell Institute Podcast through iTunes, stream on YouTube, or use the RSS feed mi.byu.edu/feed/podcast. You can help the MIPodcast grow by rating and reviewing it in iTunes. Send questions or comments about this and other episodes to email@example.com.The post #54—The Sin of Certainty, with Peter Enns [MIPodcast] appeared first on Neal A. Maxwell Institute | BYU.
Rank #1: 037: Jon Ogden - Author of "When Mormons Doubt" Pt. 1. In these episodes of Mormon Stories, we interview Jon Ogden—author of When Mormons Doubt. Jon describes how his faith crisis blossomed during his LDS mission and time at BYU and ultimately became the impetus to writing the book, which strives to explore how the pursuit of truth, beauty, and goodness can save relationships even when we disagree with those we love. We cover: How his faith crisis developed on his LDS mission, but he finished his mission anyway Dating while at BYU and how it distracted him from his faith crisis How when a family member left the LDS Church, it forced him to confront his own doubts and begin an academic study of the truth claims of the Church When he realized that the same problems with Mormon historicity were also at play with Christianity in general He and his spouse’s current belief state, and their desire to have a sense of community and solid religious framework for their children to hold onto The main topics of his book, When Mormons Doubt, including a deep dive into sections on “Truth,” “Goodness,” and “Beauty.”
Rank #2: 002: Communicating with Orthodox/Believing Mormons Pt. 1. In this episode, recorded January 10, 2017, we discuss tips on communicating with orthodox/believing Mormons. Co-hosts are John and Margi Dehlin. Panelists include Amy Grubbs, Shandi Hill, Brynne and Jared Grant, and Tanner Gilliland.
Rank #1: 148: Mormon Sex Info Shares: Women's Anatomy of Arousal: Secret Maps to Buried Pleasure with Sheri Winston. Sheri Winston joins Natasha on this episode of Mormon Sex Info. Sheri is the author of "Women's Anatomy of Arousal: Secret Maps to Buried Pleasure." Natasha and Sheri discuss her book and specifically the ways in which women experience sexual pleasure. To find out more about Sheri and the work she is doing, please visit: https://intimateartscenter.com To purchase the book, please go here: https://intimateartscenter.com/shop/the-book-womens-anatomy-of-arousal/
Rank #2: 179: Masturbation, Values, and Kids with Natasha Heifer-Parker, MFT, CST. Natasha was recently a guest on Braxton Dutson’s “Birds and Bees Podcast.” Braxton is a LCSW and Certified Sex Therapist in Salt Lake City, Utah. He works at The Healing Group and can be found here: https://www.thehealinggroup.com/therapists/2018/4/20/braxton-dutson-lcsw-cstAbout the episode: Masturbation, There are a lot of euphemisms for the word that makes many people uncomfortable to talk about. Let's face it, many parents are worried about what it means if their child masturbates. If you are a parent who wants to be able to support your child in building values around masturbation while also avoiding shaming them then this episode is for you. Braxton and Natasha Heifer-Parker, MFT, CST are here to help dispel myths, talk about values, talk about masturbation, and to support parents in creating a value-centric view on masturbation. This is especially supportive for those who live in religious communities and practice themselves. Many of us have grown up in a religious setting that explicitly or overtly teaches values about masturbation. It is difficult to be able to follow these values while also addressing the reality that the majority of children are participating in self-soothing/masturbation practices. In this Episode we explore: The question "when does masturbation usually start?" Speaking to values when addressing masturbation Different approaches to conversations about masturbation with your child. Avoiding shame when having these (multiple) conversations. Creating "I Do's" in what you value, VS following a "to Do" list. Historical views of Masturbation and how they affect us now. Identifying what we want for our children as a sexual being later in life. Offering a value-centric view on Masturbation in religious communities while addressing the ways we can best support our children. Natasha Helfer-Parker, MFT, CST speaks with Braxton about being able to explore these topics, address uncomfortable situations, and improve your understanding about "The M word." Listen on Spotify, iTunes, Stitcher, iHeartRadio, and YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcXBM6GS-Pfk9CB6ctmvLLg Leave Birds and Bees an iTunes review https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/birds-and-bees-podcast/id1201131540?mt=2 Leave a Stitcher Review https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/braxton-dutson/birds-and-bees-podcast Birds and Bees Facebook Page https://www.facebook.com/birdsandbeespodcast Listen from our webpage Birdsandbeespodcast.com Read more at https://birdsandbeespodcast.libsyn.com/#8HRf8D8XJYV090ou.99 Check out the “Birds and the Bees Podcast” Page here: https://birdsandbeespodcast.libsyn.com Please consider donating to Mormon Mental Health by going to mormonmentalhealth.org.
Rank #1: Episode 109: The Power of Godliness with Jonathan Stapley. The Interview: Just one day before Jonathan Stapley was awarded the best book award for The Power of Godliness by the Mormon History Association, I visited with him about the history and development of core ideas essential to current Mormon identity such as priesthood, authority, and ordinances. We also discussed how priesthood power relates to temple practice and what Jonathan refers to as the ordering of heaven. His volume is an academic history of Mormonism, and as such it’s intent is to understand and analyze the past and contextualize and historicize the present. On this episode, Jonathan Stapley shares his perspective on Latter-day Saint liturgy in theory and practice. About Our Guest: Jonathan A. Stapley is an award-winning historian and scientist. An active participant in the field of Mormon Studies, he is also the Chief Technology Officer for a bio-renewables company. Jonathan received his Ph.D. from Purdue University and has been active in the field of Mormon History for over a decade. You can read some of his publications here. He also writes for the academic history Juvenile Instructor blog, and at By Common Consent, a Mormon blog. Download PDF of the transcript. Latter-day Saint Perspectives Podcast Episode 109: The Power of Godliness Released July 10, 2019 This is not a verbatim transcript. Some wording has been modified for clarity. Laura Hales: Hello, this is Laura Harris Hales, and I’m here today with Jonathan Stately to talk about his book, The Power of Godliness, which was published by Oxford press in January of 2018. Jonathan, can you tell us just a little bit about your educational background? Jonathan Stapley: I’m a trained chemist. I have a PhD in carbohydrate chemistry from Purdue University. I did my undergraduate studies at BYU in food science. I deal with what’s called electro-chemistry. That’s using electricity instead of chemicals to change sugars into other useful products. Laura Hales: And you write in Mormon Studies. How did that happen? Jonathan Stapley: Well, after I finished my dissertation in 2004, I created a company that industrialized my graduate work, and I was focusing more on managing individuals and ideas as opposed to actual research. Just at that time, institutions, including the church, began digitizing their collections, and blogs were just coming online. I was part of a group of people that were starting to access these materials and do research, kind of a new generation in the 2000s. Being a scientist and interested in systems, I applied my interest and love of our church to that same study. Laura Hales: What is Mormon liturgy? Jonathan Stapley: We are accustomed to talking about ordinances and priesthood in our church, but those words have a particular meaning within our faith that is peculiar. It’s different than the way those words are used outside of our tradition. There is a technical and scholarly approach to ideas of worship and ritual that exists. I’m using those frameworks and bringing them into The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Liturgy is the system of ritual and ritualized acts that believers participate in to mark occasions and celebrate and worship. On Sundays, for example, we go to sacrament meeting and participate in the sacrament of the Lord’s Supper and that is the liturgy of the Lord’s Supper. Now, if you are Roman Catholic or Orthodox or Jewish, you will be familiar with those terms because they’re part of the regular worship. They talk about the liturgy, but for us, it’s a little disorienting, I think, because we’re not exposed to that vocabulary. Laura Hales: Sometimes we talk about “high church” and “low church.” Even though we’re technically “low church,” we have liturgy like the Catholics, who would do it maybe with more ceremony. Jonathan Stapley: Yeah, for sure. And, of course, our tradition is complicated by the fact that we have the temple and the temple liturgy. If you were to talk about the baptismal liturgy or baby blessings or the healing liturgy of the church, those are all systems of worship and ritualized acts that are every bit as liturgical as the Roman Catholic Mass. Laura Hales: What got you interested in church rituals and liturgy? Jonathan Stapley: I’m a scientist by training and have always had a scientific approach to the world. Chemistry is very much a part of the way I look at the world. When I look at a tree, I think of the biochemistry that’s happening in the tree as much as I look at the beauty of the foliage. As much as we don’t use terms like liturgy or a sacrament, Latter-day Saints believe that they’re doing something. You know, when we baptize somebody, we’re doing something. It’s changing the world; it’s changing the universe really. And I’m deeply fundamentally interested in the systems and the worlds that people create generally. As a believer, if you cut me, I bleed it. This church is part of who I am. I’m interested deeply and fundamentally in how what we do changes the world and why it matters. Laura Hales: I think a lot of members of the church can identify with bleeding Mormonism or the Latter-day Saint-ism. It’s hard to think how you would live if you remove that component from your intellectual being. How about the term cosmology in a religious studies connotation? Jonathan Stapley: Cosmology is the study of the origin and development of the universe. You’ve got physicists that are experimentally and theoretically probing the universe for black holes and dark matter, but cosmology is something far more ancient and expansive than the modern science. The idea that God so loved the world that he sent his only son is part of the water we swim in and the air we breathe, but the word world is cosmos. And so, God so loved the cosmos. And this cosmos was not just the sphere on which we stand or its population. It encompasses the physical reality and the spiritual planes with these hierarchies of angels and demons. It incorporates spiritual and physical realities, systems of authority, kingdoms, and principalities. It is a vision of the whole of things. That’s the cosmos and cosmology is the study of or the science of this reality. Jonathan Stapley: I think every Mormon probably is aware of the plan of salvation diagrams. Now you’ve seen the pictures of the spheres where you start in a spirit world, you’d have a mortal existence, and then the arrows point to spirit prison. And there’s three heavens. That’s essentially a cosmology scheme. And what I’m doing, and hopefully in an empathetic way, is to approach the cosmology of Latter-day Saints because not only does the church change from between the time my children attend two-hour church to when my grandparents did, but also the way we view things changes somewhat as well. That dynamism is the living aspect of the church, but it also poses interesting challenges because as cosmology shifts, it becomes more and more difficult to understand the past. Laura Hales: When I read your book, I had several “Aha moments” that were really, really helpful to me. And I want to start this podcast by saying, “Thank you for helping to clear up some of this confusion for me.” Jonathan Stapley: That’s extremely gracious. Thank you. Laura Hales: Let’s start with a brief historical overview. During the Joseph Smith period, how set was Latter-day Saint liturgy? Jonathan Stapley: It wasn’t set at all. What we have is the revelation of a few rituals. In fact, the very first revelation of the organized church is called the Articles and Covenants, which is now section 20 of the Doctrine and Covenants. It’s basically the first general handbook of instruction. It was called the Mormon Creed by observers because it has creedal elements to it. It lists baptism, confirmation or the laying on of hands to receive the Holy Ghost, ordination, rituals, baby blessings, and the sacrament of the Lord’s Supper. It draws largely from the Book of Mormon about how to perform them. There’s a prayer for ordination, baptism, and the Lord’s Supper, and that’s it, right? We have a baptismal prayer, but as anybody who has experienced a baptismal service today knows there are things we do that are not necessarily in the prayer. Jonathan Stapley: For example, we have white clothing, we have witnesses, and we have a talk on the Holy Ghost and on baptism. We have a fairly set way of doing this. But during Joseph Smith’s lifetime, baptism was pretty chaotic. There were many ways of doing baptism, and you could be baptized multiple times. You could be baptized as a healing ritual—baptized for your health as well as for the dead. How we heal, how we ordain, all of these things, have developed over time and by doing it. You learned how to bless the sick by doing it with people that were also learning at the same time. The meaning was also fairly dynamic. This is in contrast to some of the established churches at the time, which had very formal liturgies. For example, the baptismal liturgy of the Methodist Church is outlined in the Methodist Discipline, which was their handbook of instructions. We share essentially the very same baptismal prayer, but they have hundreds of words before and after explaining what you have to read and setting it up and giving meaning to this moment. For a hundred years, Methodist baptism was fairly static, but for Latter-day Saints, that is definitely not the case. Laura Hales: When I was reading about the early history of setting up these ordinances and how they performed them, it sounded a lot like inspired pragmatism. With that first writing down of the Mormon creeds, as you called them, they’re just taking what they have at their hand, the Book of Mormon. Then you mentioned that by 1835, they’re looking at publishing Joseph’s first revelations in a book, and they actually change some of these first few things that they wrote down about the cosmology. Do you want to speak to that? Jonathan Stapley: Sure. I think the idea that Joseph Smith’s revelations were edited and changed should largely be uncontroversial because of the work of the Joseph Smith Papers Project. Joseph Smith dictates revelations. In a few cases as new revelations are received, some revelations are essentially revised to comport to the new understanding. You see this with the first attempt to publish revelations in 1833 with the Book of Commandments. In Independence, in Zion, they want to publish a book of revelations. The presses are destroyed, and there’s only a handful of copies salvaged. By the way, if you have one, they’re worth over $1 million, so don’t throw it away. Joseph Smith keeps having revelations, so the idea, for example, that there is a Melchizedek priesthood and an Aaronic priesthood, which is again in the water we swim in and the air we breathe today, was revealed in 1835—five years after the church was formed. Joseph Smith reveals the idea of an Aaronic priesthood and a Melchizedek priesthood. The revelations on priesthood that we’re given in 1831–32 are harmonized with these new revelations and then published in the Doctrine and Covenants. The 1835 Doctrine and Covenants is the first edition of the Doctrine and Covenants, and it essentially crystallizes Joseph Smith’s revelations. They are no longer edited once that’s published largely because it’s published widely, and it becomes sort of an anchor for those texts. Laura Hales: We have these different periods in the church that we talk about, which are somewhat artificial, but we have the Palmyra period, we had the translation, and we have the Kirtland period where we have all this revelation pouring forth. We have the Missouri period where the church is just trying to not dissolve and Joseph is trying to keep his skin. And then we have the Nauvoo period where Joseph didn’t really record a lot of revelations that we have in the Doctrine and Covenants. Most of his doctrine was delivered either one-on-one secretly like with polygamy or in speeches that he gave and in addresses and talks in conference. The most famous probably is in a funeral speech that he gave. During the Nauvoo period, right before he died, Joseph was still revising his cosmology. How well were Joseph Smith’s views on cosmology articulated to the members of the church by his death? Jonathan Stapley: Yeah, that’s an excellent question. And as you say, written revelations are rare in Nauvoo, but clearly Joseph Smith’s revelation is not rare in Nauvoo. He is remarkably consistent in his explanation of what I call the Nauvoo cosmology— these new ideas that are revealed in conjunction with the Nauvoo temple liturgy. I think you were alluding to the famous King Follett discourse or the King Follett sermon, which was memorialized to King Follett who was a man in Nauvoo who died when a stone fell on his head while he was digging a well, but it was actually a general conference sermon. It was April 7, 1844, and it is Joseph Smith’s best documented sermon. If you have a copy of the Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, which from today’s modern perspective probably isn’t the best source for Joseph Smith’s teachings because it’s been filtered through several layers of editorial handiwork, you can look it up. Typically, you have three to five different sets of notes, scholars called them audits. In these notes that people were taking in situ or in the moment, they independently witness Joseph Smith’s specific teachings throughout the sermon. It’s important to note that this sermon was somewhat controversial because you had folks like previous first presidency member William Law who left the church and views it as wildly scandalous. But Joseph Smith had been teaching the key teachings of the King Follett sermon publicly since 1839—since the first year that they are in Illinois. Joseph Smith is teaching the concepts that end up in the King Follett sermon. One of the most notorious teachings has been what folks referred to often as the Lorenzo Snow couplet: “As man is God once was, as God is a man may become.” Actually, Lorenzo Snow probably isn’t the first person to come up with that little couplet; Brigham Young attested to teaching it very, very early. Jonathan Stapley: People have often projected that couplet onto the King Follett sermon as probably the best source for that idea, but I would argue that it doesn’t find a home in Joseph Smith’s cosmology. Joseph Smith’s cosmology is more complicated than that simple little couplet. So, what does Joseph Smith actually teach in Nauvoo? Perhaps the best documented teaching is that spirits were never created or made. This is a direct quote: “God never had the power to create the spirit of man at all.” So, we have uncreated spirits. The next idea to go along with that is that God found himself in the midst of the spirits and wanting them to progress, interacted with them and revealed the plan to them to help them increase from there. We then go to the idea of what is the history of God? Jonathan Stapley: Now, Joseph Smith dramatizes this. If you were to pull back the veil from heaven, you would see God sitting on a throne in the very form and image and person of a man. I’m paraphrasing, but these are close paraphrases that people might recognize if they’ve read the sermon. He did not stop there. He did not say God was a man. He said that it was in the very form and image of man and that he lived on a planet once as Jesus lived on a planet. Smith extended this to say, “What did Jesus do? He did what he saw the Father do as Jesus laid down his life and picked it back up again. So did the Father.” This is a teaching, again, that goes back to the early years of Nauvoo. And lastly, and this is perhaps somewhat controversial because Joseph Smith was not explicit in his teachings publicly. Jonathan Stapley: He publicly claimed that human exaltation was to become kings and priests to God—to become gods, if you will, but to become gods by becoming a king and priest of God. Several weeks after the King Follett Sermon, he gave what some scholars have called the Sermon in the Grove, where he revisits this idea of a plurality of gods because it’s so controversial. He says, “Look, I’ve always said there was God and Jesus, right? There are two at least. Jesus by his own blood hath made us kings and priests to the Most High God. He’s revealed that that’s clearly an illusion to the work of the temple. In the temple, the purpose is to make people into kings and priests. What he doesn’t state publicly is the female corollary to that, that women are to be made queens and priestesses, and by extension, God the Father reigns in heaven with a mother God. Jonathan Stapley: Those ideas about a feminine deity and the feminine corollary to exaltation is not stated publicly, but Smith’s closest associates rapidly talk about it publicly after he dies. He also clearly talks about the temple liturgy in terms of priesthood. He tells the Relief Society in 1842 that he intends to make them a kingdom of priests—the evidence is there for this. This final idea is what most people have latched on to—church leaders, church members, and observers, perhaps because they are so powerful. We want this idea of human exaltation so we don’t spend as much time thinking about the other aspects of Joseph Smith’s cosmology—the uncreated spirits and the idea that God was a man. Yes, but a man like Jesus was a man. It’s more complicated and rather ignored. Laura Hales: I want to go back to something you just said. You were talking about how some of the members who listened to the teachings found them blasphemous. I think to understand that we need to put his teachings into context against existing Judeo-Christian traditions because to us it just seems normal. Of course, we grow up learning that our Heavenly Father organized the spirits, but that’s a huge departure from God creating man. Jonathan Stapley: It’s complicated because what we generally assume today or are taught today is not necessarily exactly what Joseph Smith is describing in Nauvoo, and it’s clearly not what, as you say, Orthodox Christianity is at the time. Standard Christian thought is that God transcends everything and that he has existed forever, which I think Joseph Smith would have agreed with, but that God created everything, including all physical matter, including human spirits. Joseph Smith is militating against one of the fundamental premises of Christianity, and this is where Orthodox Christians generally are. Creedal Christians generally point to this doctrine to demonstrate that we are not part of their team. If Calvinists were to argue why Mormons are not Christian, they would point here because if God did not create all things out of nothing, then it’s not the same type of being. Laura Hales: Does it appears that he is less divine? Jonathan Stapley: I do not think Joseph Smith is making that argument. Laura Hales: But would the Calvinists? Jonathan Stapley: Yeah, for sure. The Calvinists would definitely argue that. A traditional Orthodox Protestant would definitely make that argument. Joseph Smith’s relationship with creation is interesting compared with Orthodox Christianity. He rejects fundamentally certain premises that have governed Christianity for hundreds of years, if not thousands. That being said, a lot of scholars have pointed to early Christian beliefs that match up well with Joseph Smith’s. I’m not an expert in that area, but clearly in the Antebellum American context, Joseph Smith is ruining things. Laura Hales: Oh, that’s really clever. So, Joseph Smith sets out this cosmology. What do subsequent leaders at the church do with these teachings? Jonathan Stapley: For the most part, they ignore them. The one area that they discuss is the one area where we don’t have a lot of public or no public documentation of, and that’s the idea of this gendered and eternal dyad of male and female in exaltation and in divinity. This idea of a mother God, or a mother in heaven, has legs, the idea of a divine mother, God, and female exaltation is interpreted differently among different church leaders but is still a foundational piece of their cosmology. The ideas about uncreated spirits and God the Father being a man like Jesus was a man is essentially ignored. There is some Orson Pratt and Brigham Young conflict over Joseph Smith’s legacy in this area; they disagreed emphatically with each other. Brigham Young is somewhat controversial in his interpretation, innovation, and how he sees the cycle of exaltation, but it becomes the engine for Utah teachings or belief in a large measure. Laura Hales: Personally, it doesn’t bother me so much that subsequent leaders didn’t opine on it because it was Joseph Smith’s revelation, and it was written down secondhand. He didn’t review it, and we see later when we’re going to talk about the Utah period where they’re just trying to fit it all together. That was just one cog in the wheel that they just said, “We’re not going to touch that one because we just don’t know.” Jonathan Stapley: Whereas the 1835 Doctrine and Covenants is a textual anchor, and you see for hundreds of years, church leaders going back to those texts and reading them and working out what they mean, you did not have that same accessible corpus of Joseph Smith’s teachings available to work through. They simply weren’t available, so oftentimes they were going for memory. It’s only been in the 20th century and really in the last 10 years that we’ve had the critical apparatus to deal with them in an appreciable way. Laura Hales: Let’s review how the temple ceremony was revealed. In 1842 Joseph Smith reveals the temple ceremony in the red brick building to a few of the apostles and some select priesthood leaders, but it isn’t revealed fully to the church until after his death. Joseph Smith is killed at Carthage, the temple is completed, and the leaders of the church are anxious to get temple work done before they have to leave. Now, though, because of persecution, there is a lot of pressure on Brigham Young, and he is wanting to get this temple ceremony right, as he basically says, because it’s given to him orally. Nothing’s written down. How did this temple ceremony change? Do we know how it changed from when it was given in the red brick building to during Brigham Young’s presidency? Jonathan Stapley: I guess we can talk about the temple liturgy and aspects of the temple liturgy. So what we have during Joseph Smith’s life are these oral instructions, but we also have the 1842 sealing text. So this is a revelation that Joseph Smith gives to the Whitney family introducing the concept of eternal sealings. It includes a sealing ceremony that is divergent from later texts that are the basis for what we experienced today in the temple. We have in Joseph Smith revealing in 1842 the endowment ceremony. So a year and a half later he brings in women. By doing that, he includes different administrators. We now have women performing temple rituals and bringing the ideas together in a cohesive, what they called a quorum—a group of people that met together as men and women. Jonathan Stapley: They prayed, they performed the temple liturgy for new initiates, and it had a president. Joseph Smith was the president of the temple quorum. Laura Hales: And Emma was over the women. Jonathan Stapley: Yes. She’s the first woman to be initiated into the quorum and to experience the liturgy. So you have this diffuse liturgy that’s oral that incorporates, again, sealings—and people were generally sealed before they experienced the endowment at that period—an initiation, washing and anointing, and an endowment or a dramatic presentation. There are associated rituals and prayer as well. So from Joseph Smith’s revelation of this kind of diffuse liturgy, we go to the temple. It’s finished. Brigham Young and the Quorum of the 12 introduce it to the body of the Saints. We now have thousands of people participating in the temple. Also, it is clear from documents that new characters are added to the dramatic liturgy. Jonathan Stapley: In the presentation where they describe the plan of salvation, new characters are added. The actual texts for things like sealing are adapted at this time as well. One important piece of what’s happening is what work the temple is doing. So what does the temple do? Well, Joseph Smith was creating heaven on earth. So sealings were literally constructing heaven. Heaven wasn’t a place in Nauvoo that you went to if you were righteous. It wasn’t a gift to the elect. Joseph Smith set it up. He said, “It’s not what the Calvinists or Methodist’s are doing.” Heaven is something that we build. When he performed sealings, he was, again, I’m not using literally figuratively here. He was literally creating heaven. He was making it. It was a material thing. Laura Hales: I’ve been studying Nauvoo polygamy for five years now, and you’re talking about Joseph Smith making heaven on earth now. It’s not something in the future. For me, that was a big, “Oh, that’s why these women and men are agreeing to this whole concept of polygamy.” We scratch our heads at why they would even go there, but they’re not seeing, “Oh, in heaven, I can get sealed to someone. They are saying, “No, I need to be sealed into the chain.” Am I characterizing this correctly? Jonathan Stapley: Correct. Yeah, absolutely. It’s hard for us to imagine from today’s perspective, but for the entire 19th century, essentially, you basically didn’t perform sealings for people who weren’t church members. Now, there are interesting exceptions and some gender dynamics that complicate that a bit. But the idea was that sealings, because they materialized heaven, persevered, and that’s a theological term. That means they were real; they endured in spite earth and hell. If you were to go to your ward and say, “We’re going to build heaven, and we need to be connected to each other,” there’s not a lot of ways of doing that that don’t transgress our Victorian norms. You have interesting connections between people that look very strange from an observer’s perspective and from a believing observer’s perspective. We should look at this and think this is odd. Laura Hales: You mentioned that Joseph was making heaven on earth, but it changed. How did it change? Jonathan Stapley: We still have Doctrine and Covenants 132 in our canon, which is a very complicated document but clearly teaches the idea of perseverance or this idea that once you’re sealed, it cannot be broken unless you sin against the Holy Ghost. When you have a small group, a small community, where everybody trusts each other, these ideas of perseverance, this idea that we are going to literally build heaven, are somewhat easier to manage. Brigham Young opens the temple and thousands are endowed and sealed. They go to Utah, and they perform sealings along the trail west. They perform sealings in Salt Lake, in offices and homes, before the Council House is built. First, in the Council House, then in the Endowment House, and then in the pioneer temples. The challenge is that just because you go to the temple and experienced the liturgy and are sealed, it does not mean that you exit the temple as a celestial being. Jonathan Stapley: Despite having just constructed heaven on the temple’s alters, you immediately exit the temple and begin to tear heaven apart. We all do. And so Brigham Young, for example, was sealed as a father to John D. Lee, who was a prominent missionary and secretary in Nauvoo, but also a perpetrator of the Mountain Meadows Massacre. Brigham Young was like, “Whoa, these people are claiming relation to me in heaven, and they’re clearly not doing the right thing. So you know what? They’re responsible for themselves.” This idea of perseverance works well in the abstract, but not in the particulars of our messy lives. Not all of us are perpetrators of mass murderer, thankfully, but all of us do have complicated lives and members of our families, if not ourselves, have experienced singlehood and divorce or sin and abuse and many innumerable things that complicate our views of heaven. Laura Hales: Here’s a quote from your book: “Ultimately micromanaging the construction of heaven proved not only confusing for church leaders, but spiritually unsatisfying.” Jonathan Stapley: From Nauvoo until the end of the 19th century, essentially, you can’t be sealed to your parents or grandparents. You could do their temple work, they could be baptized for the dead, and once St. George was in place, you could do a proxy endowment for them, but you could not be connected to them as a child. Adoption was the solution. In 1894 after dealing with, thinking about, and discussing it in depth with other church leaders, Wilford Woodruff stood in general conference and delivered a revelation. He stood up and addressed the temple presidents, some of whom were the members of the Quorum of the 12 and said, “Look, we are doing the temple wrong,” which is a pretty dramatic statement. I mean, can you imagine a church president standing up in general conference and saying that today: “We’re doing it wrong.” Jonathan Stapley: He said we need to go and seal our parents to their parents and our grandparents to their parents and go on as far as we can go. The question arises, “Well, how is this possible if the links in the chain are what’s important and if we couldn’t be sealed to our parents because we didn’t know if they would accept the gospel in the next life because the seals need to persevere. How can we rely on our ancestors to perform that function?” He, in a stroke of perhaps great mercy, declared, “We can do it because there will be few if any who do not accept the gospel.” He essentially proclaimed a Mormon universalism. What that did was to say instead of focusing on creating heaven and micromanaging how it’s going to look between believers today, we’re going to do massive amounts of sealings, some temple work for the dead, and essentially we’re going to let God figure it out. Laura Hales: What a blessing because there was some crazy innovations when they’re trying to solve the problem themselves: “Okay, that doesn’t make sense. Let’s try this. Let’s try this.” I think in the book you call this revelation one of the most significant in the foundation of the restored church. Jonathan Stapley: Yeah. I think it’s more foundational to our modern experience than the manifesto is frankly. Laura Hales: Oh, I do because it made way for these nuclear families are forever doctrine that we have now, which dominates our theology. Jonathan Stapley: What it allows is a shift in the 20th century, and I don’t think that Wilford Woodruff necessarily would’ve framed it this way, but you have a shift from Joseph Smith’s creation constructing heaven now to a situation in a 20th century where heaven is a lot more similar to what Protestants believe in. It’s something that you can get if you are faithful. Right? And then God will figure out everything, all the weird details. And there has been a process of essentially liberalization in that cosmology every decade of the 20th century or even to the present with how we do proxy work, who can be sealed to whom. If your ancestor had more than one husband, who do we seal her to?” Questions like that are resolved with more and more openness and with more liberality throughout the 20th century. Laura Hales: At this point in our discussion about Latter-day Saint cosmology, we’re going to take a little side road and talk about the priesthood, because it’s so important to understanding cosmology. How did the meaning of priesthood change in the early 20th century? Jonathan Stapley: To answer that, I’m going to go back a little bit. So I mentioned earlier that Joseph Smith revealed in 1835, five years after church was formed, the Melchizedek and Aaronic priesthoods. So it’s clear that conceptions of priesthood are dynamic. The temple liturgy in Nauvoo, as well, was referred to as the priesthood. We have kings and queens, priests and priestesses. True, but the quorum itself referred to themselves as the priesthood, and I argue that these are different. You have an ecclesiastical priesthood and a temple priesthood that I call the cosmological priesthood. It doesn’t really matter. They are viewed as ways of channeling the power of God. Part of Joseph Smith’s cosmology from the earliest moments, and this goes back to the question of how he complicated Antebellum Christianity or Orthodox Christianity, was to say that God still works in history. Miracles still exist. The ecclesiastical priesthood channeled that power in the lives of the saints and the temple is an endowment of power. It was to channel the power. Laura Hales: Let’s just unpack that a little bit because you’ve used some good terminology there. You mentioned two kinds of priesthoods. One is a cosmological priesthood that we use in the temple. There’s a lack of terminology differentiating the kinds of priesthoods we use in the church and that has led to a lot of confusion about what goes on in the modern temple ceremony versus what goes on in church on Sunday. There’s a conflation of terms. You also talked about an ecclesiastical priesthood. What is that? Jonathan Stapley:Ecclesia is Greek for church. It means other things in Greek, but it becomes a term for church. Ecclesiastical means a church organization. So when you have an ecclesiastical office, you have a position in the church. And so the priesthood early on is ecclesiastical in nature. The church is comprised of ecclesiastical officers, and these priesthood officers are deacons, teachers, priests, and elders. And they have jobs in the church. It’s hard because Joseph Smith uses priesthood language and priesthood terminology around the temple, but it’s clearly not serving an ecclesiastical purpose. He’s not making priestesses of female initiates as an ecclesiastical office. This is a position in heaven. And so that’s why I’m making the distinction. Without understanding that context, you can go back and read these Nauvoo era documents, these journals, these sermons, and you will see references to priesthood, and people have come to it from a presentism perspective and said, “Well, clearly this means that Joseph Smith was, for example, giving women the priesthood by having them participate in the temple.” And by saying that, they are meaning he is giving them an ecclesiastical priesthood or the Melchizedek priesthood as we would say today. But that is, I would argue, clearly not the case. We have these different uses of priesthood language in church history. The trouble for us is we’re coming from a modern perspective where we have very formal and well established definitions that don’t map well onto the past, Laura Hales: I would argue they don’t even really map well currently. Jonathan Stapley: No, no, that’s true. Five years ago they don’t. Laura Hales: So we talked about how the meaning of priesthood has changed in the early 20th century. Jonathan Stapley: Okay. So let’s go to that. For some technical reasons that I don’t think are important, priesthood cosmology shifts, and it becomes the nexus for organizing the church. Whereas polygamy kind of organized people’s lives in the 19th century, Utah priesthood becomes the primary organizational factor in the 20th century for the church. And it gets a new definition. In the 19th century, you might experience power in the priesthood as a way to channel the power of God. In the 20th century, you start talking about the power of the priesthood. In fact, if you were to crack open a general handbook of instruction today or the doctrinal core mastery document for seminary, or the True to the Faith booklet or Preach My Gospel, it would have a definition of priesthood. Jonathan Stapley: And it would say priesthood is the power of God. It is the power of God that he used to create the world. That is the catechism definition for the church today. That is a 20th century definition. For most of the 20th century, priesthood is exclusively and cosmologically male. So, for example, in 1965 you have Elder Critchlow get up in general conference and say, “Priesthood is the power of God presently and purposely denied to women for reasons, which he has not revealed. Don’t ever, sisters, make a pretense to priesthood power.” And that was a non-controversial statement to make in 1965. Laura Hales: You alluded to the dynamism of our current lived experience. The rhetoric dramatically changed five years ago. This is usually associated with a talk given by Elder Oaks. How did it change? Jonathan Stapley: It’s clear that Elder Oaks and Elder Ballard and the presidencies of the Relief Society, Young Women, and Primary are all wrestling with the role and experience of women in relation to the priesthood. And frankly, this has been something that people have been wrestling with for the entirety of the 20th century. But it reached a climax in 2014. There are some interesting antecedents in local and regional discussions. In 2014, Elder Oaks stands in general conference and delivers this earthquake not dissimilar from when Wilford Woodruff stands up and proclaims this new revelation. Elder Oaks changes everything by saying any authority or power that women experience in church is priesthood. Therefore, if a woman is set apart to be a missionary, she is wielding priesthood authority. The Relief Society president has priesthood authority to execute her duties. Immediately the rhetoric of the church shifts. The lesson a few months later that was supposed to be taught to young women on the duties and powers of the priesthood shifts to be about how young women can participate in the work of the priesthood. Friend articles are written about how children can wield priesthood authority, male or female. And frankly, I don’t think we’re finished. I think we’re still experiencing the ramifications from this change, and we’re seeing new ways that it is being understood and implemented on the practical level. Laura Hales: It’s interesting because I went to the temple for the first time 31 years ago to get my endowments. Of course, I’d gone to do baptisms for the dead before that. One of the temple recommend questions is, “Do you attend your priesthood meetings?” I always responded that I didn’t have the priesthood, but now that question is actually valid in the way that it’s being interpreted in the church because when I perform my duties in Relief Society, that’s attending my priesthood meetings. Would you say that’s right? Jonathan Stapley: It does appear. I am not a church leader, and I don’t get to explicate normative theology for the church, but that’s what it appears to me as an observer as well as a believer. It appears that we are experiencing priesthood meetings. And what’s interesting is that with President Nelson’s reformatting and reconceptualization of quorums and the two hour block, he essentially reorganized priesthood quorums to follow the Relief Society pattern. And so not only is Relief Society becoming more like priesthood, priesthood is becoming more like Relief Society. I think to the benefit of the saints. Laura Hales: More recently, the meaning of priesthood has changed, which brings into question how priesthood functions and the difference between priesthood authority and priesthood power. What are those differences? Jonathan Stapley: I am going to answer that question, and it’s going to be my observation of the way it’s currently framed by church leaders, which may not be how it was framed five years ago and may not be how it is tomorrow. I believe church leaders are saying it’s much like a car. You might have a car that has the power to go 120 miles an hour, but you might not have the authority to go 120 miles an hour on the freeway. Before 2014, male and female church leaders were kind of debating whether or not women could have priesthood authority or priesthood power. But after 2014, they’re saying it’s both. Jonathan Stapley: You are authorized to perform a duty and you have this capacity or power to enable you to actually do it. Now, historically, before 2014, it’s somewhat more complicated. During the 20th century, we had this normative priesthood definition that excluded women. And so there were questions especially about how women perform temple ordinances if they don’t have priesthood authority or power. How did women in the church perform healing blessings, something that was common from the earliest moments of the restoration until the late 20th century? Under what authority did they do those things? They are questions that are not easy to answer in light of an intense focus on a male priesthood cosmology that incorporates all of God’s power and authority into priesthood office and excludes everybody else. Laura Hales: You’re saying that as the priesthood is being practiced right now, it takes care of some of these problems that existed. Jonathan Stapley: I think it’s a framework for understanding and explaining historical practice in a way that is coherent. There are lots of reasons that church leaders do things, but I wouldn’t be surprised if that were one of the reasons that they made the changes they did. Laura Hales: Sometimes there’s not existing vocabulary to discuss these concepts. Jonathan has taken the last ten years or more to research this and put it in a nice little book for us. Personally, I read it twice in preparation for this interview. You’ve laid the framework for further discussion on the topic, but you got into studying rituals and the priesthood and this type of subject matter with female ritual healing, which some of our listeners may not be familiar with, but I think it’s an important discussion to add in here at the end because it was so much a part of our past and sometimes people wonder what kind of authority was exercised with female ritual healing and why it was stopped. Jonathan Stapley: Okay, that’s a wonderful question. Kristine Wright and I spent five or six years working on the healing liturgy together. It culminated in a paper on female ritual healing. It is one of the most useful ways of probing conceptions of priesthood and authority and cosmology because it differs so much with the way we do things today. In short, female ritual healing is the idea and the practice that women performed healing rituals, the same rituals that men performed from the earliest portions of Kirtland until the late 20th century. Now, there isn’t a final cutoff date because there was no formal end to the practice. It was a complicated declension throughout the 20th century. But it’s safe to say that for a large portion of our history, it was very common and normal for women to bless and anoint the sick and to bless and anoint the afflicted. Jonathan Stapley: Women used the same rituals that the men used in the church. If you were to look at the general handbook of instructions today, it would say the only men who hold the Melchizedek priesthood office can perform a healing ritual. So again, if we’re taking that as the basis for our interpretation of history, then someone might say, “Well, therefore, women must have had the Melchizedek priesthood or something similar to it to be able to do this work. Laura Hales: They were trying to go backwards. Jonathan Stapley: Right. You just can’t do that. So by what authority did they do it if they didn’t have priesthood office? I think it’s really important to approach historical moments and experiences from a contextual approach. So how were they understood at the time? I make an argument about different types of authority. From today’s perspective in the church, we are making an argument that all authority is God’s authority and all authority is priesthood authority. But I think everybody can also agree that that’s only been in the last five years that we’ve been able to make that argument. So what happened before then? I would argue and do argue and there’s oodles of evidence demonstrating that women were authorized or had authority to participate in the healing liturgy. That authority was not a priesthood office, it was essentially liturgical authority. Jonathan Stapley: So today, a great example would be for most of the 20th century women were not allowed to pray in sacrament meeting for much of that. It’s only been relatively recent, in the 1970s, that women were authorized to pray in sacrament meeting. Now, if you went back to 1965 and asked what authority is needed to pray in sacrament meeting, someone might say that you need a priesthood office to do that. And if you were to ask that same question today, “Laura, what authority do you need to pray in sacrament meeting?” Laura Hales: I just need to be baptized. Jonathan Stapley: Okay, you have some authority that you didn’t have 40 years ago. You have that authority today. I say that’s a liturgical authority. Now that’s a term we don’t use. It’s an outside terminology, but it’s a descriptive terminology. Women had liturgical authority to perform these rituals, these liturgies, in the church. Jonathan Stapley: In the 20th century with the rise of this priesthood cosmology that we talked about that was centered on male priesthood office, the majority of church liturgy was concentrated in priesthood office. There are a lot of reasons for that shift and if you really are interested in the details, there are hundreds of pages for you to read through. There is a point in which it is so rare that it becomes forgotten by the majority of the church. And to be frank, the 20th century is also the time of our greatest growth. By the end of the 20th century, the majority of church members are converts or the children of converts and don’t have this tie to historical practice. But there are still some interesting bits and pieces. When President Kimball was going in for brain surgery, he asked for a blessing and Elder McConkie came to the hospital to do it. He asked President Kimball’s wife, Camilla, to lay hands on him. Laura Hales: The title of your book is the Power of Godliness. Jonathan, at the conclusion of this interview, what is the power of godliness? Jonathan Stapley: So again, I am a historian and so I take a historical and contextual approach to that term. The power of godliness is a term that Christians have used for a long time. It goes back to Paul when he’s talking about having the form of godliness but denying the power thereof or lacking the power thereof. For Paul, the power of godliness wasn’t the power of God. The power of godliness is the power of being godly or being faithful or righteous. Essentially there is a power that comes with living a godly life. Now as Joseph Smith was wont to do, he takes bits and pieces of the King James Version and endows them with expansive meaning or uses them in ways that allows subsequent Latter-day Saints to interpret them in useful and interesting ways. One of the early revelations on priesthood cosmology says it’s through the ordinances of the high priesthood that the power of godliness is manifest. And that’s an interesting little bit of linguistic experimentation or revelation. You could interpret that many ways, but I think church leaders and members have, at least for the last hundred years, looked at that and said this is talking about the power of God. It is through the ordinances of the priesthood that the power of God is manifest. I like a more complicated and nuanced reading, but I think we have to be aware of and empathetic towards those standard readings that we encounter at church every week. Laura Hales: Jonathan, why did you write this book? Jonathan Stapley: Because it’s meaningful to me. That’s the short answer on a fundamental level. I mentioned earlier that if you were to cut me, I would bleed Mormonism. It’s part of who I am, but also I am captured and enthralled by our spiritual progenitors and the lives and experiences they had and led. And so for me, my experience, my lived experience, is enriched by an understanding of our past and our systems of authority and cosmology that accounts for their experiences. As church members, we take a lot of effort to imagine ourselves and experience ourselves in Micah’s hearts of the children and fathers being turned towards each other. Now Joseph Smith had some unique translations of that, which are interesting and fascinating. At the same time, there is a real and important demand upon us to do the work of the temple, to go and spend time on a computer and find ancestors and submit names, and to do proxy rituals for them. But if it’s to mean anything, we have to understand each other. Laura Hales: And even if that is understanding the first generations of the church and how they saw and did things. Jonathan Stapley: And it’s okay to be different. My experience is different than my grandparents, and my experience will certainly be different than my grandchild’s. Laura Hales: Thank you so much, Jonathan. Jonathan Stapley: It’s a pleasure. Thank you. Disclaimer: Latter-day Saint Perspectives Podcast is not affiliated with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The opinions expressed on this episode represent the views of the guests and the podcaster alone, and Latter-day Saint Perspectives Podcast and its parent organization may or may not agree with them. While the ideas presented may vary from traditional understandings or teachings, they in no way reflect criticism of Latter-day Saint Church leaders, policies, or practices. 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