Welcome back to Nature vs Narcissism!  This is another BONUS episode for you guys!  We have been sharing some BONUS content lately as we have many topics that we’ve been wanting to cover but that don’t necessarily follow the theme for main feed episodes.  So, we hope you enjoy!   We had a suggestion from a former Armed Services member; to cover crimes in the Armed Services. So, we brought you some staggering statistics and a couple of cases: Vanessa Guillen and Amanda Gonzalez. If you have more information about either of these cases, or have additional case suggestions; please let us know!   If you are interested in ad-free and extra episodes as well as merch and other swag; think about joining our Patreon at Patreon.com/NVNpodcast for as little as $1 per month!   Check out our website for sources and more - at www.naturevsnarcissism.com If you’re interested in meeting us; get your tickets for the 2023 True Crime and Paranormal Podcast Festival that is happening in Austin, Texas from August 25-27.  By using promo code NATURE, you can get 15% off of your ticket!  Visit https://truecrimepodcastfestival.com/ and get your tickets today!  Send us a message when you purchase your ticket and we may just have a surprise waiting for you at the festival! Until next time; stay inside, stay alive.This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement

Welcome back to Nature vs Narcissism! This is another BONUS episode for you guys! We have been sharing some BONUS content lately as we have many topics that we’ve been wanting to cover but that don’t necessarily follow the theme for main feed episodes. So, we hope you enjoy! We had a suggestion from a former Armed Services member; to cover crimes in the Armed Services. So, we brought you some staggering statistics and a couple of cases: Vanessa Guillen and Amanda Gonzalez. If you have more information about either of these cases, or have additional case suggestions; please let us know! If you are interested in ad-free and extra episodes as well as merch and other swag; think about joining our Patreon at <a href="http://Patreon.com/NVNpodcast" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Patreon.com/NVNpodcast</a> for as little as $1 per month! Check out our website for sources and more - at <a href="http://www.naturevsnarcissism.com" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">www.naturevsnarcissism.com</a> If you’re interested in meeting us; get your tickets for the 2023 True Crime and Paranormal Podcast Festival that is happening in Austin, Texas from August 25-27. By using promo code NATURE, you can get 15% off of your ticket! Visit <a href="https://truecrimepodcastfestival.com/" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://truecrimepodcastfestival.com/</a> and get your tickets today! Send us a message when you purchase your ticket and we may just have a surprise waiting for you at the festival! Until next time; stay inside, stay alive. This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at <a href="https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement</a>

BONUS - Murders & More in the Armed Services

Welcome back to Nature vs Narcissism! This is another BONUS episode for you guys! We have been sharing some BONUS content lately as we have many topics that we’ve been wanting to cover but that don’t necessarily follow the theme for main feed episodes. So, we hope you enjoy!We always talk about serial killers and how many of them were in law enforcement to some extent at some point in their life. So, we thought that a fun episode for you would be to share some lesser known killers who were involved, in some capacity, with law enforcement.-----Visit us at the True Crime and Paranormal Podcast Festival, August 25-27 in Austin, TXhttps://truecrimepodcastfestival.com/ and enter code: NATURE at checkout for 15% off!Sources for John Reginald Halliday Christie casehttps://www.findagrave.com/memorial/10712839/john-reginald_halliday-christie https://murderpedia.org/male.C/c/christie-john.htm https://www.iqtestacademy.org/home-2?cq_src=google_ads&amp;cq_cmp=13908441048&amp;cq_term=como%20saber%20mi%20iq&amp;cq_plac=&amp;cq_net=g&amp;cq_plt=gp&amp;utm_source=google&amp;utm_medium=googleads&amp;utm_campaign=&amp;gclid=Cj0KCQjw8qmhBhClARIsANAtboeFoC4-zMqvgooJK_U4iyetby7dVW1ST0q3Gpevm96i2vx1KW6ONBAaAt2WEALw_wcB Sources for Ernst Karl casehttps://www.findagrave.com/memorial/228478605/ernst-karl http://www.eurochannel.com/en/3-Famous-Austrian-Killers-in-History.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_KarlThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement

Welcome back to Nature vs Narcissism! This is another BONUS episode for you guys! We have been sharing some BONUS content lately as we have many topics that we’ve been wanting to cover but that don’t necessarily follow the theme for main feed episodes. So, we hope you enjoy! We always talk about serial killers and how many of them were in law enforcement to some extent at some point in their life. So, we thought that a fun episode for you would be to share some lesser known killers who were involved, in some capacity, with law enforcement. ----- Visit us at the True Crime and Paranormal Podcast Festival, August 25-27 in Austin, TX <a href="https://truecrimepodcastfestival.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://truecrimepodcastfestival.com/</a> and enter code: NATURE at checkout for 15% off! Sources for John Reginald Halliday Christie case <a href="https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/10712839/john-reginald_halliday-christie" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/10712839/john-reginald_halliday-christie</a> <a href="https://murderpedia.org/male.C/c/christie-john.htm" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://murderpedia.org/male.C/c/christie-john.htm</a> <a href="https://www.iqtestacademy.org/home-2?cq_src=google_ads&amp;cq_cmp=13908441048&amp;cq_term=como%20saber%20mi%20iq&amp;cq_plac=&amp;cq_net=g&amp;cq_plt=gp&amp;utm_source=google&amp;utm_medium=googleads&amp;utm_campaign=&amp;gclid=Cj0KCQjw8qmhBhClARIsANAtboeFoC4-zMqvgooJK_U4iyetby7dVW1ST0q3Gpevm96i2vx1KW6ONBAaAt2WEALw_wcB" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.iqtestacademy.org/home-2?cq_src=google_ads&amp;cq_cmp=13908441048&amp;cq_term=como%20saber%20mi%20iq&amp;cq_plac=&amp;cq_net=g&amp;cq_plt=gp&amp;utm_source=google&amp;utm_medium=googleads&amp;utm_campaign=&amp;gclid=Cj0KCQjw8qmhBhClARIsANAtboeFoC4-zMqvgooJK_U4iyetby7dVW1ST0q3Gpevm96i2vx1KW6ONBAaAt2WEALw_wcB</a> Sources for Ernst Karl case <a href="https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/228478605/ernst-karl" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/228478605/ernst-karl</a> <a href="http://www.eurochannel.com/en/3-Famous-Austrian-Killers-in-History.html" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.eurochannel.com/en/3-Famous-Austrian-Killers-in-History.html</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Karl" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Karl</a> This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at <a href="https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement</a>

BONUS - Serial Killers in Law Enforcement

Terry Rasmussen

Join Heather and her Status Pending co-host Scott Fuller for this BONUS episode. We touched on this serial killer in a recent Status Pending episode as a potential suspect in one of our cases. Since we don’t typically cover serial killers on that podcast, we decided to record a bonus for our Nature vs Narcissism listeners! This serial killer was the true definition of a chameleon! We discovered a minimum of 6 aliases that he had over the years…but we truly believe that there were many more, as well as many more victims. We hope you enjoy! Let us know your thoughts on this case!!!If you are interested in ad-free and extra episodes as well as merch and other swag; think about joining our Patreon at Patreon.com/NVNpodcast for as little as $1 per month!Check out our website for sources and more - at www.naturevsnarcissism.comIf you’re interested in meeting us; get your tickets for the 2023 True Crime and Paranormal Podcast Festival that is happening in Austin, Texas from August 25-27. By using promo code NATURE, you can get 15% off of your ticket! Visit https://truecrimepodcastfestival.com/and get your tickets today! Send us a message when you purchase your ticket and we may just have a surprise waiting for you at the festival!Until next time; stay inside, stay alive.This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement

Join Heather and her Status Pending co-host Scott Fuller for this BONUS episode. We touched on this serial killer in a recent Status Pending episode as a potential suspect in one of our cases. Since we don’t typically cover serial killers on that podcast, we decided to record a bonus for our Nature vs Narcissism listeners! This serial killer was the true definition of a chameleon! We discovered a minimum of 6 aliases that he had over the years…but we truly believe that there were many more, as well as many more victims. We hope you enjoy! Let us know your thoughts on this case!!! If you are interested in ad-free and extra episodes as well as merch and other swag; think about joining our Patreon at <a href="http://Patreon.com/NVNpodcast" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Patreon.com/NVNpodcast</a> for as little as $1 per month! Check out our website for sources and more - at <a href="http://www.naturevsnarcissism.com/" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">www.naturevsnarcissism.com</a> If you’re interested in meeting us; get your tickets for the 2023 True Crime and Paranormal Podcast Festival that is happening in Austin, Texas from August 25-27. By using promo code NATURE, you can get 15% off of your ticket! Visit <a href="https://truecrimepodcastfestival.com/" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://truecrimepodcastfestival.com/</a>and get your tickets today! Send us a message when you purchase your ticket and we may just have a surprise waiting for you at the festival! Until next time; stay inside, stay alive. This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at <a href="https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement</a>

BONUS - Terry Rasmussen (The Chameleon)

Kerrie Droban

James Holmes

On July 20, 2012, 24-year-old James Holmes (whilst dressed in tactical clothing and bright orange dyed hair) set off tear gas grenades and shot multiple firearms into the Aurora, Colorado Century 16 movie theater midnight showing of The Dark Knight Rises audience.  His actions led to the death of 12 people and injuring 70 others; 58 of whom were injured from gunfire.  In this episode, Heather sits down with award winning author and attorney Kerrie Droban to discuss her latest book, Aurora: The Psychiatrist Who Treated the Movie Theater Killer Tells Her Story.  In their book, Dr Lynn Fenton; the psychiatrist who treated James Holmes, and Kerrie Droban take you into the minds of a mass shooter (James Holmes) and his psychiatrist (Dr. Lynn Fenton) and how she was affected long-term.  Kerrie shares her experience with writing the book, working with/interviewing Dr. Fenton, as well as what she learned about Holmes based on his thoughts, actions, and treatment sessions with Fenton. Kerrie highlights the fact that Holmes was actively getting help when he executed his tragic plan to kill dozens of people. She shares that this is proof that there is no blueprint when it comes to identifying when someone may do something so extreme. We can ask all the questions. We can report all the odd behaviors. But at the end of the day, we are all still learning about the criminal psyche and need to apply our knowledge and understanding to each situation on a case by case basis.   We may never be able to predict and stop every single criminal who decides that they want to be a mass shooter/mass killer.  But we can take what we learn from cases like Holmes’ and apply it to try and prevent future tragedies.  Most often, these criminals are incredibly manipulative and calculating. “Let’s not forget; every psychopath is a narcissist. Every sociopath is a narcissist. But not every narcissist is a psychopath or sociopath.” -Kerrie Droban Kerrie’s goal with writing true crime books: The goal of writing these books, for Kerrie, is to expose, to educate, to inform, and to give that platform to the victims and their loved ones. A platform for them to tell their story and celebrate the lives of these people.  It is difficult to read but it’s insightful and the more that we talk about it and keep the conversation going; keep the memory alive.  Learn more about Kerrie, her books, her speaking engagements, and her writing workshops: https://www.kerriedroban.com/ Buy Aurora: The Psychiatrist Who Treated the Movie Theater Killer Tells Her Story https://a.co/d/fd5QsWF This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement

On July 20, 2012, 24-year-old James Holmes (whilst dressed in tactical clothing and bright orange dyed hair) set off tear gas grenades and shot multiple firearms into the Aurora, Colorado Century 16 movie theater midnight showing of The Dark Knight Rises audience. His actions led to the death of 12 people and injuring 70 others; 58 of whom were injured from gunfire. In this episode, Heather sits down with award winning author and attorney Kerrie Droban to discuss her latest book, Aurora: The Psychiatrist Who Treated the Movie Theater Killer Tells Her Story. In their book, Dr Lynn Fenton; the psychiatrist who treated James Holmes, and Kerrie Droban take you into the minds of a mass shooter (James Holmes) and his psychiatrist (Dr. Lynn Fenton) and how she was affected long-term. Kerrie shares her experience with writing the book, working with/interviewing Dr. Fenton, as well as what she learned about Holmes based on his thoughts, actions, and treatment sessions with Fenton. Kerrie highlights the fact that Holmes was actively getting help when he executed his tragic plan to kill dozens of people. She shares that this is proof that there is no blueprint when it comes to identifying when someone may do something so extreme. We can ask all the questions. We can report all the odd behaviors. But at the end of the day, we are all still learning about the criminal psyche and need to apply our knowledge and understanding to each situation on a case by case basis. We may never be able to predict and stop every single criminal who decides that they want to be a mass shooter/mass killer. But we can take what we learn from cases like Holmes’ and apply it to try and prevent future tragedies. Most often, these criminals are incredibly manipulative and calculating. “Let’s not forget; every psychopath is a narcissist. Every sociopath is a narcissist. But not every narcissist is a psychopath or sociopath.” -Kerrie Droban Kerrie’s goal with writing true crime books: The goal of writing these books, for Kerrie, is to expose, to educate, to inform, and to give that platform to the victims and their loved ones. A platform for them to tell their story and celebrate the lives of these people. It is difficult to read but it’s insightful and the more that we talk about it and keep the conversation going; keep the memory alive. Learn more about Kerrie, her books, her speaking engagements, and her writing workshops: <a href="https://www.kerriedroban.com/" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.kerriedroban.com/ </a> Buy Aurora: The Psychiatrist Who Treated the Movie Theater Killer Tells Her Story <a href="https://a.co/d/fd5QsWF" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://a.co/d/fd5QsWF</a> This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at <a href="https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement</a>

Author Kerrie Droban on "Aurora" and James Holmes

Peter Kurten

This is Part 2 of the Peter Kurten case.  For this episode, I have Brittany joining me to discuss our thoughts on the case as a whole as well as what we think is at play here.  Was it nature?  Nurture?  A combination?  Why?Brittany gave this guy a nickname off-mic; it’s Quick Draw McGraw.QUESTION FOR YOU:  Do you have siblings?  If so, can you share your experience with how each sibling’s personality and demeanor is?  Is the oldest child more reserved?  More emotional?  Is the middle child the wild child?  What about the youngest?  Share your thoughts and experiences with us!If you are interested in ad-free and extra episodes as well as merch and other swag; think about joining our Patreon at Patreon.com/NVNpodcast for as little as $1 per month!   Check out our website for sources and more - at www.naturevsnarcissism.com If you’re interested in meeting us; get your tickets for the 2023 True Crime and Paranormal Podcast Festival that is happening in Austin, Texas from August 25-27.  By using promo code NATURE, you can get 15% off of your ticket!  Visit https://truecrimepodcastfestival.com/ and get your tickets today!  Send us a message when you purchase your ticket and we may just have a surprise waiting for you at the festival! Until next time; stay inside, stay alive.This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement

This is Part 2 of the Peter Kurten case. For this episode, I have Brittany joining me to discuss our thoughts on the case as a whole as well as what we think is at play here. Was it nature? Nurture? A combination? Why? Brittany gave this guy a nickname off-mic; it’s Quick Draw McGraw. QUESTION FOR YOU: Do you have siblings? If so, can you share your experience with how each sibling’s personality and demeanor is? Is the oldest child more reserved? More emotional? Is the middle child the wild child? What about the youngest? Share your thoughts and experiences with us! If you are interested in ad-free and extra episodes as well as merch and other swag; think about joining our Patreon at <a href="http://Patreon.com/NVNpodcast" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Patreon.com/NVNpodcast</a> for as little as $1 per month! Check out our website for sources and more - at <a href="http://www.naturevsnarcissism.com" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">www.naturevsnarcissism.com</a> If you’re interested in meeting us; get your tickets for the 2023 True Crime and Paranormal Podcast Festival that is happening in Austin, Texas from August 25-27. By using promo code NATURE, you can get 15% off of your ticket! Visit <a href="https://truecrimepodcastfestival.com/" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://truecrimepodcastfestival.com/</a> and get your tickets today! Send us a message when you purchase your ticket and we may just have a surprise waiting for you at the festival! Until next time; stay inside, stay alive. This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at <a href="https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement</a>

Peter Kurten (Part 2)

Born as Peter Kürten on May 26, 1883, to alcoholic abusive parents in Mulheim am Rhein, Germany. He was eventually referred to as the Vampire of Dusseldorf and the Dusseldorf Monster. Between February and November of 1929; Kurten committed no less than 9 murders, along with many attempted murders. Prior to this crime spree; in the years leading up to 1929; he was no stranger to the criminal world.  Such activities included sexual assaults, burglary, arson, theft, threatening behavior, and attempted robbery, among other crimes. Aside from the crimes and murders that he was eventually convicted for; he confessed to the 1913 murder of a 9-year-old girl in Mulhein am Rhein as well as the attempted murder of a 17-year-old girl in Düsseldorf.    Kürten’s moniker came from the fact that he would occasionally attempt to drink the blood from his victims' wounds. Another moniker, the  "Düsseldorf Monster" was attributed to him, both because the majority of his murders were committed in and around the city of Düsseldorf, AND the savagery he inflicted upon his victims' bodies. Peter Kurten was executed in July 1931 at 48 years old.    He is the German serial killer whose “widely analyzed career influenced European society’s understanding of serial murder, sexual violence, and sadism in the first half of the 20th century.” For this episode, I tried to stick to the dates and the facts that we knew about him/his criminal life.    In part 2, We will delve more into our thoughts regarding his crimes and behavior.   So, join us tomorrow for Part 2 - where Brittany (from Where the Weird Things Are Podcast  and I will do a deep dive discussion about the case, the people involved, our thoughts regarding nature vs nurture, and much more.  Tune in and join the conversation on Facebook!  If you are interested in ad-free and extra episodes as well as merch and other swag; think about joining our Patreon at Patreon.com/NVNpodcast for as little as $1 per month!  Check out our website for sources and more - at www.naturevsnarcissism.com If you’re interested in meeting us; get your tickets for the 2023 True Crime and Paranormal Podcast Festival that is happening in Austin, Texas from August 25-27.  By using promo code NATURE, you can get 15% off of your ticket!  Visit https://truecrimepodcastfestival.com/ and get your tickets today!  Send us a message when you purchase your ticket and we may just have a surprise waiting for you at the festival! Until next time; stay inside, stay alive.This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement

Born as Peter Kürten on May 26, 1883, to alcoholic abusive parents in Mulheim am Rhein, Germany. He was eventually referred to as the Vampire of Dusseldorf and the Dusseldorf Monster. Between February and November of 1929; Kurten committed no less than 9 murders, along with many attempted murders. Prior to this crime spree; in the years leading up to 1929; he was no stranger to the criminal world. Such activities included sexual assaults, burglary, arson, theft, threatening behavior, and attempted robbery, among other crimes. Aside from the crimes and murders that he was eventually convicted for; he confessed to the 1913 murder of a 9-year-old girl in Mulhein am Rhein as well as the attempted murder of a 17-year-old girl in Düsseldorf. Kürten’s moniker came from the fact that he would occasionally attempt to drink the blood from his victims' wounds. Another moniker, the "Düsseldorf Monster" was attributed to him, both because the majority of his murders were committed in and around the city of Düsseldorf, AND the savagery he inflicted upon his victims' bodies. Peter Kurten was executed in July 1931 at 48 years old. He is the German serial killer whose “widely analyzed career influenced European society’s understanding of serial murder, sexual violence, and sadism in the first half of the 20th century.” For this episode, I tried to stick to the dates and the facts that we knew about him/his criminal life. In part 2, We will delve more into our thoughts regarding his crimes and behavior. So, join us tomorrow for Part 2 - where Brittany (from <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/where-the-weird-things-are/id1589823107?uo=4" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Where the Weird Things Are Podcast</a> and I will do a deep dive discussion about the case, the people involved, our thoughts regarding nature vs nurture, and much more. Tune in and join the conversation on Facebook! If you are interested in ad-free and extra episodes as well as merch and other swag; think about joining our Patreon at <a href="http://Patreon.com/NVNpodcast" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Patreon.com/NVNpodcast</a> for as little as $1 per month! Check out our website for sources and more - at <a href="http://www.naturevsnarcissism.com" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">www.naturevsnarcissism.com</a> If you’re interested in meeting us; get your tickets for the 2023 True Crime and Paranormal Podcast Festival that is happening in Austin, Texas from August 25-27. By using promo code NATURE, you can get 15% off of your ticket! Visit <a href="https://truecrimepodcastfestival.com/" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://truecrimepodcastfestival.com/</a> and get your tickets today! Send us a message when you purchase your ticket and we may just have a surprise waiting for you at the festival! Until next time; stay inside, stay alive. This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at <a href="https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement</a>

Peter Kurten (Part 1)

This is part 2 of the Peter Stubbe/Stumpf episode. He is also known as the Werewolf of Bedburg. Heather and Brittany delve more into our thoughts on more than just the criminal/serial killer in this case. We talk a bit about our thoughts on werewolves and what the f*** was going on in the 1500s.We also discuss whether or not we feel that he committed ALL of these gruesome crimes, or just some.If you are interested in ad-free and extra episodes as well as merch and other swag; think about joining our Patreon at Patreon.com/NVNpodcast for as little as $1 per month!Check out our website for sources and more - at www.naturevsnarcissism.comUntil next time; stay inside, stay alive.This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement

This is part 2 of the Peter Stubbe/Stumpf episode. He is also known as the Werewolf of Bedburg. Heather and Brittany delve more into our thoughts on more than just the criminal/serial killer in this case. We talk a bit about our thoughts on werewolves and what the f*** was going on in the 1500s. We also discuss whether or not we feel that he committed ALL of these gruesome crimes, or just some. If you are interested in ad-free and extra episodes as well as merch and other swag; think about joining our Patreon at <a href="http://patreon.com/NVNpodcast" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">Patreon.com/NVNpodcast</a> for as little as $1 per month! Check out our website for sources and more - at <a href="http://www.naturevsnarcissism.com/" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">www.naturevsnarcissism.com</a> Until next time; stay inside, stay alive. This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at <a href="https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement</a>

Peter Stubbe/Stumpf (Part 2)

Part 1 is typically filled with information about the person of interest; such as where they were born, to whom, and what they were named by their parents. However, with this particular individual; we may not be able to cover all of those bases. But, we will do our best with the information that we have. I mean, this dude hasn’t been around since basically the 200s after all. And most of the information that IS known about him, comes from a 16-page pamphlet published in London in 1590; and rediscovered in 1920, by none other than an occultist. Which; we will come back to later. For now, I will tell you that he was called many different things. Some of his aliases were: Peter Stumpp (S-T-U-M-P-P), Peter Stube (S-T-U-B-E), Peeter Stubbe (with 2 Bs), Peter Stumpff (S-T-U-M-P-F), and some sources even referred to him as William Stumpf, Abal Griswold, Abil Griswold, and Ubel Griswold. ALthough there were many names for him and sources seem to use them interchangeably; one aspect remained the same across all sources. His moniker was “The Werewolf of Bedburg”. Too many names…and too many unknowns already; I know. But keep listening, this gets interesting.------For this episode, I tried to stick to the dates and the facts that we knew about him/his criminal life.In part 2, We will delve more into our thoughts regarding his crimes and behavior.So, join us tomorrow for Part 2 - where Brittany (From Where The Weird Things Are Podcast) and I will do a deep dive discussion about the case, the people involved, our thoughts regarding nature vs nurture, and much more.If you are interested in ad-free and extra episodes as well as merch and other swag; think about joining our Patreon at Patreon.com/NVNpodcast for as little as $1 per month!Check out our website for sources and more - at www.naturevsnarcissism.comUntil next time; stay inside, stay alive.This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement

Part 1 is typically filled with information about the person of interest; such as where they were born, to whom, and what they were named by their parents. However, with this particular individual; we may not be able to cover all of those bases. But, we will do our best with the information that we have. I mean, this dude hasn’t been around since basically the 200s after all. And most of the information that IS known about him, comes from a 16-page pamphlet published in London in 1590; and rediscovered in 1920, by none other than an occultist. Which; we will come back to later. For now, I will tell you that he was called many different things. Some of his aliases were: Peter Stumpp (S-T-U-M-P-P), Peter Stube (S-T-U-B-E), Peeter Stubbe (with 2 Bs), Peter Stumpff (S-T-U-M-P-F), and some sources even referred to him as William Stumpf, Abal Griswold, Abil Griswold, and Ubel Griswold. ALthough there were many names for him and sources seem to use them interchangeably; one aspect remained the same across all sources. His moniker was “The Werewolf of Bedburg”. Too many names…and too many unknowns already; I know. But keep listening, this gets interesting. ------ For this episode, I tried to stick to the dates and the facts that we knew about him/his criminal life. In part 2, We will delve more into our thoughts regarding his crimes and behavior. So, join us tomorrow for Part 2 - where Brittany (From Where The Weird Things Are Podcast) and I will do a deep dive discussion about the case, the people involved, our thoughts regarding nature vs nurture, and much more. If you are interested in ad-free and extra episodes as well as merch and other swag; think about joining our Patreon at <a href="http://Patreon.com/NVNpodcast" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Patreon.com/NVNpodcast</a> for as little as $1 per month! Check out our website for sources and more - at <a href="http://www.naturevsnarcissism.com/" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">www.naturevsnarcissism.com</a> Until next time; stay inside, stay alive. This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at <a href="https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement</a>

Peter Stubbe/Stumpf (Part 1)

This is Part 2 of the book review that Heather and Kelsey recorded as a BONUS &amp; follow up to the Part 1 and Part 2 case coverage on Charles Schmid aka The Pied Piper of Tucson. **Please note: at the beginning of this episode; you will hear a disclaimer about the audio.  We know; it is awful.  We had some technical difficulties during the recording process and this is the cleanest that we could get it through tons of editing.  We apologize and hope that we didn’t ruin your experience too much!  We appreciate your support! If you are interested in ad-free and extra episodes as well as merch and other swag; think about joining our Patreon at Patreon.com/NVNpodcast for as little as $1 per month!   Check out our website for sources and more - at www.naturevsnarcissism.com  Until next time; stay inside, stay alive.This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement

This is Part 2 of the book review that Heather and Kelsey recorded as a BONUS &amp; follow up to the Part 1 and Part 2 case coverage on Charles Schmid aka The Pied Piper of Tucson. **Please note: at the beginning of this episode; you will hear a disclaimer about the audio. We know; it is awful. We had some technical difficulties during the recording process and this is the cleanest that we could get it through tons of editing. We apologize and hope that we didn’t ruin your experience too much! We appreciate your support! If you are interested in ad-free and extra episodes as well as merch and other swag; think about joining our Patreon at <a href="http://Patreon.com/NVNpodcast" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Patreon.com/NVNpodcast</a> for as little as $1 per month! Check out our website for sources and more - at <a href="http://www.naturevsnarcissism.com" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">www.naturevsnarcissism.com</a> Until next time; stay inside, stay alive. This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at <a href="https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement</a>

BONUS - I, a Squealer (Schmid Case/Bruns Book) Part 2

The book is called I, a Squealer: THE Insider’s Account of the “Pied Piper of Tucson” Murders by Richard Bruns.  This book is a firsthand account of the person Charles Schmid as Richard’s friend and murderer.  Richard was the whistle blower who ended Schmid’s reign of terror in Tucson.  But does Richard share everything he knows in the book?  We will let you be the judge of that.   Heather and Kelsey sit down and discuss their thoughts on the book as a whole, the case, and the players involved.  We also present our own questions and theories throughout.  We would love to hear from you and perhaps what your thoughts are on this case as well as the book.   Please write us at naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com   If you are interested in ad-free and extra episodes as well as merch and other swag; think about joining our Patreon at Patreon.com/NVNpodcast for as little as $1 per month!   Check out our website for sources and more - at www.naturevsnarcissism.com  Until next time; stay inside, stay alive.This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement

The book is called I, a Squealer: THE Insider’s Account of the “Pied Piper of Tucson” Murders by Richard Bruns. This book is a firsthand account of the person Charles Schmid as Richard’s friend and murderer. Richard was the whistle blower who ended Schmid’s reign of terror in Tucson. But does Richard share everything he knows in the book? We will let you be the judge of that. Heather and Kelsey sit down and discuss their thoughts on the book as a whole, the case, and the players involved. We also present our own questions and theories throughout. We would love to hear from you and perhaps what your thoughts are on this case as well as the book. Please write us at <a href="https://gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com</a> If you are interested in ad-free and extra episodes as well as merch and other swag; think about joining our Patreon at <a href="http://Patreon.com/NVNpodcast" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Patreon.com/NVNpodcast</a> for as little as $1 per month! Check out our website for sources and more - at <a href="http://www.naturevsnarcissism.com" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" target="_blank">www.naturevsnarcissism.com</a> Until next time; stay inside, stay alive. This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at <a href="https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement</a>

BONUS - I, a Squealer (Schmid Case/Bruns Book) Part 1

Nature vs Narcissism is a true crime/comedy podcast based in Cincinnati, Ohio where Heather and her guests discuss true crimes and the narcissists who commit them.  Sometimes we have alcohol and sometimes things get weird.  Relaunching on our 4th PodBirthday (Oct 22, 2021), the structure changed a lot.  Every episode is different and every episode is entertaining!  We will delve into whether we think nature made the criminals commit these heinous acts, or if it's simply their narcissism getting the best of them.  Keep in mind, this podcast is strictly for entertainment purposes and is in no way a professional diagnosis of the subjects discussed.This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement

They do a great job, super fun, conversational and super interesting

Fun and weird!

I love this podcast and how many episodes they put out.

Love them

Nature vs Narcissism is a true crime/comedy podcast based in Cincinnati, Ohio where Heather and her guests discuss true crimes and the narcissists who commit them. Sometimes we have alcohol and sometimes things get weird. Relaunching on our 4th PodBirthday (Oct 22, 2021), the structure changed a lot. Every episode is different and every episode is entertaining! We will delve into whether we think nature made the criminals commit these heinous acts, or if it's simply their narcissism getting the best of them. Keep in mind, this podcast is strictly for entertainment purposes and is in no way a professional diagnosis of the subjects discussed. This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at <a href="https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement</a>

Nature vs Narcissism

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2.  We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond.  We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.In this episode, Heather is joined by Danielle from Hoosier Homicide to discuss Herbert Baumeister.  He was born in Indianapolis, Indiana in 1947 and died after a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in 1996.  He was on the run from police who were searching his 18-acre farm for bodies of his victims – of which they found at least 11.  Now, it is debated as to whether or not he killed more than 11 and to this day, he is not technically considered a confirmed serial killer as police were never able to prove it AND he killed himself before being apprehended.  His victim type was young homosexual men whom he would pick up from gay bars and take to his mansion where he would have sex with them (often using auto erotic asphyxiation to pleasure himself) and then (presumably) kill and dispose of their bodies. Promo for: The Rabbit Hole Wanderer Podcast Subscribe to: Hoosier Homicide Podcast Our theme music was created and customized by Nico Vettese of We Talk of Dreams.  You can follow him on IG (@wetalkofdreams)  and Twitter (@WeTalkofDreams).  Follow us on IG: @naturevsnarcissism Follow us on Twitter: @NvsNpodcast Like us on Facebook: @naturevsnarcissism Join our discussion group: nature vs narcissism discussion group Support us on Patreon for cool perks and goodies for $1: https://www.patreon.com/NVNpodcast Donate one time via PayPal: naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com.    This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved. In this episode, Heather is joined by Danielle from Hoosier Homicide to discuss Herbert Baumeister. He was born in Indianapolis, Indiana in 1947 and died after a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in 1996. He was on the run from police who were searching his 18-acre farm for bodies of his victims – of which they found at least 11. Now, it is debated as to whether or not he killed more than 11 and to this day, he is not technically considered a confirmed serial killer as police were never able to prove it AND he killed himself before being apprehended. His victim type was young homosexual men whom he would pick up from gay bars and take to his mansion where he would have sex with them (often using auto erotic asphyxiation to pleasure himself) and then (presumably) kill and dispose of their bodies. Promo for: The Rabbit Hole Wanderer Podcast Subscribe to: Hoosier Homicide Podcast Our theme music was created and customized by Nico Vettese of We Talk of Dreams.  You can follow him on IG (@wetalkofdreams)  and Twitter (@WeTalkofDreams).  Follow us on IG: @naturevsnarcissism Follow us on Twitter: @NvsNpodcast Like us on Facebook: @naturevsnarcissism Join our discussion group: nature vs narcissism discussion group Support us on Patreon for cool perks and goodies for $1: <a href="https://www.patreon.com" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.patreon.com</a>/NVNpodcast Donate one time via PayPal: <a href="mailto:naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com">naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com</a>.     This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at <a href="https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement</a>

(S2) Indianapolis, indiana (Pt1: Herbert Baumeister)

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 1.  We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond.  We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.HEATHER IS FANGIRLING!!!  In this episode, Heather invites Nick and Jessa from the Getting Off Podcast to discuss everyone’s eye candy serial killer; aka the Lady Killer, Ted Bundy.  Although the Nature vs Narcissism Podcast has covered Ted Bundy in the past (Episode 2), we thought it would be fun to discuss Ted with folks who understand and are a part of the criminal justice system.  Since Nick and Jessa are defense attorneys, we thought it would be fun to do a crossover episode where they break down the Chi Omega trial and share their expert opinions as well as their personal thoughts on the case as a whole!  We have a blast and learn a lot about Jessa’s ‘wayward youth’, as Nick describes it!  This episode was a blast and I learned a lot in Part 2; which is over on the Getting Off feed.  You will probably learn a lot and may have even acquitted him if you knew what we now know about the case and evidence!!  Be sure to check out Frozen Truth as a new season will be airing on June 24th! Find us on all the things:@naturevsnarcissism (Instagram)@NvsNpodcast (Twitter)@naturevsnarcissism (Facebook)Nature vs Narcissism Facebook Discussion GroupBUY COOL SHIT:https://naturevsnarcissism.threadless.com/Email me for sources.Music/clips:Creepy Inn by Devil Music – http://freemusicarchive.org/music/Devil_Music/NosferatuWhat Charles Manson Thinks of Ted Bundy - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfgkswGZNuYThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 1. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved. HEATHER IS FANGIRLING!!!  In this episode, Heather invites Nick and Jessa from the Getting Off Podcast to discuss everyone’s eye candy serial killer; aka the Lady Killer, Ted Bundy.  Although the Nature vs Narcissism Podcast has covered Ted Bundy in the past (Episode 2), we thought it would be fun to discuss Ted with folks who understand and are a part of the criminal justice system.  Since Nick and Jessa are defense attorneys, we thought it would be fun to do a crossover episode where they break down the Chi Omega trial and share their expert opinions as well as their personal thoughts on the case as a whole!  We have a blast and learn a lot about Jessa’s ‘wayward youth’, as Nick describes it!  This episode was a blast and I learned a lot in Part 2; which is over on the Getting Off feed.  You will probably learn a lot and may have even acquitted him if you knew what we now know about the case and evidence!!  Be sure to check out Frozen Truth as a new season will be airing on June 24th! Find us on all the things:@naturevsnarcissism (Instagram)@NvsNpodcast (Twitter)@naturevsnarcissism (Facebook)Nature vs Narcissism Facebook Discussion GroupBUY COOL SHIT:<a href="https://naturevsnarcissism.threadless.com/Email" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://naturevsnarcissism.threadless.com/Email</a> me for sources.Music/clips:Creepy Inn by Devil Music – <a href="http://freemusicarchive.org/music/Devil_Music/NosferatuWhat" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">http://freemusicarchive.org/music/Devil_Music/NosferatuWhat</a> Charles Manson Thinks of Ted Bundy - <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfgkswGZNuY" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfgkswGZNuY</a> This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at <a href="https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement</a>

(S1) Ted Bundy: Part 1 with Nick & Jessa from Getting Off

The last day that Alissa Marie Turney was seen by anyone was on the last day of school on May 17, 2001.  There were several things about Michael’s actions this day that stood out to both Scott Fuller and myself when we originally took on Alissa’s case for Status Pending.  Since covering her case on Status Pending, Scott and I have had the chance to really get to know Sarah and we’ve become very close friends with her.  Additionally, along the way, we’ve come to know and learn so much more about Alissa’s case than I ever imagined.  Not only from talking to Sarah on a regular basis, but from Sarah creating her own podcast and sharing the story with hundreds of thousands more people!  Sarah is doing some pretty amazing things for Alissa’s case and I feel like a proud momma watching her dedication, determination, persistence, love, and hard work pay off!  In this listener request episode, Heather sits down with Sarah Turney to talk about her sister's case.Find Sarah and see all the things she is doing:Voices For Justice Facebook PageVoices For Justice - on Apple PodcastsVoices For Justice - Merch StoreVoices For Justice on TwitterVoices For Justice Billboard - GoFundMeVoices For Justice on InstagramVoices For Justice WebsiteThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement

The last day that Alissa Marie Turney was seen by anyone was on the last day of school on May 17, 2001. There were several things about Michael’s actions this day that stood out to both Scott Fuller and myself when we originally took on Alissa’s case for Status Pending. Since covering her case on Status Pending, Scott and I have had the chance to really get to know Sarah and we’ve become very close friends with her. Additionally, along the way, we’ve come to know and learn so much more about Alissa’s case than I ever imagined. Not only from talking to Sarah on a regular basis, but from Sarah creating her own podcast and sharing the story with hundreds of thousands more people! Sarah is doing some pretty amazing things for Alissa’s case and I feel like a proud momma watching her dedication, determination, persistence, love, and hard work pay off! In this listener request episode, Heather sits down with Sarah Turney to talk about her sister's case. Find Sarah and see all the things she is doing: Voices For Justice Facebook Page Voices For Justice - on Apple Podcasts Voices For Justice - Merch Store Voices For Justice on Twitter Voices For Justice Billboard - GoFundMe Voices For Justice on Instagram Voices For Justice Website This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at <a href="https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement</a>

LR - #JusticeForAlissa (Part 2)

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2.  We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond.  We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.January 8, 1987 - 33 years ago today; a 28-year-old woman by the name of Jeanne Durkin lost her life.  She was stabbed to death &amp; with over 70 stab wounds...she was considered the most brutal death of the Frankford Slasher's 7-9 victims.  ---In our August 30, 2019 episode - Scott joins Heather to share the research he found on this case.  What he found is quite disturbing.  You can listen to that episode here: https://www.spreaker.com/episode/18914589In this episode; Heather is joined again by Scott but also by Jeanne Durkin's granddaughter, Kate!  She shares some family information with us as well as her theories on the case.  You can follow her on Instagram via the handle @katelynncarr_This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved. January 8, 1987 - 33 years ago today; a 28-year-old woman by the name of Jeanne Durkin lost her life. She was stabbed to death &amp; with over 70 stab wounds...she was considered the most brutal death of the Frankford Slasher's 7-9 victims. --- In our August 30, 2019 episode - Scott joins Heather to share the research he found on this case. What he found is quite disturbing. You can listen to that episode here: <a href="https://www.spreaker.com/episode/18914589" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spreaker.com/episode/18914589</a> In this episode; Heather is joined again by Scott but also by Jeanne Durkin's granddaughter, Kate! She shares some family information with us as well as her theories on the case. You can follow her on Instagram via the handle @katelynncarr_ This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at <a href="https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement</a>

(S2) Frankford Slasher: Revisited (Interview with Victim's Relative)

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2.  We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond.  We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.The Hololulu Strangler is responsible for the murders of 5 women between 1985 and 1986.  He has yet to be caught.  All victims were found with their hands bound behind their backssexually assaulted, strangled, but they varied in age and background (17-36 years old).  His victims were Vicki Gail Purdy (25), Regina Sakamoto (17), Denise Hughes (21), Louise Medeiros (25), and Linda Pesce (36).  Police thought for sure that they had their guy, but circumstantial evidence wasn't enough to hold him.  This suspect ended up moving to California and died in 2005.  None of these cases have ever been solved AND after some more digging/investigating for the production of a true crime show last year; there may have been at least one more victim from 1982.  Additionally, the police may have had their killer, had DNA testing been an option in 1986.Follow Megan on Instagram - @missmeganlee_Follow Jessie on Instagram - @jessrockettOur theme music was created and customized by Nico Vettese of We Talk of Dreams.You can follow him on IG (@wetalkofdreams) and Twitter (@WeTalkofDreams).Follow us on IG: @naturevsnarcissismFollow us on Twitter: @NvsNpodcastLike us on Facebook: Nature vs NarcissismJoin our discussion group: Nature vs Narcissism Discussion GroupSupport us on Patreon for cool perks and goodies for $1: https://www.patreon.com/NVNpodcastDonate one time via PayPal: naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com Most of our sources are mentioned in the episode.  For those that are not, you can email us at naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com for them.This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved. The Hololulu Strangler is responsible for the murders of 5 women between 1985 and 1986. He has yet to be caught. All victims were found with their hands bound behind their backs sexually assaulted, strangled, but they varied in age and background (17-36 years old). His victims were Vicki Gail Purdy (25), Regina Sakamoto (17), Denise Hughes (21), Louise Medeiros (25), and Linda Pesce (36). Police thought for sure that they had their guy, but circumstantial evidence wasn't enough to hold him. This suspect ended up moving to California and died in 2005. None of these cases have ever been solved AND after some more digging/investigating for the production of a true crime show last year; there may have been at least one more victim from 1982. Additionally, the police may have had their killer, had DNA testing been an option in 1986. Follow Megan on Instagram - @missmeganlee_ Follow Jessie on Instagram - @jessrockett Our theme music was created and customized by Nico Vettese of We Talk of Dreams. You can follow him on IG (@wetalkofdreams) and Twitter (@WeTalkofDreams). Follow us on IG: @naturevsnarcissism Follow us on Twitter: @NvsNpodcast Like us on Facebook: Nature vs Narcissism Join our discussion group: Nature vs Narcissism Discussion Group Support us on Patreon for cool perks and goodies for $1: <a href="https://www.patreon.com/NVNpodcast" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.patreon.com/NVNpodcast</a> Donate one time via PayPal: <a href="mailto:naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com">naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com</a> Most of our sources are mentioned in the episode. For those that are not, you can email us at <a href="mailto:naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com">naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com</a> for them. This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at <a href="https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement</a>

(S2) Honolulu, Hawaii (Honolulu Strangler)

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2.  We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond.  We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.This will be our FINAL episode of Season 2.  We know that we haven't finished the alphabet but there are some changes coming to the format, based on what the listeners want.  More to come in the following days/announcements on this.In this episode, Heather is joined by Roseanne from the Killafornia Dreaming podcast to discuss Tommy Lynn Sells.  Tommy was born in Oakland, California on June 28, 1964 and was a serial killer who was known to rape his victims.  He gave himself the moniker of Coast to Coast Killer as he murdered his victims from states all over the nation.  Although he only had a handful of confirmed victims, he claimed to have killed 70 people.  One of the most disturbing aspects about this case, and really about Tommy himself, is that he didn't have a type as far as his victims.  He killed men, women, and children.His murders spanned from 1980 until 1999 and he was apprehended in January of 2000.  He was sentenced to death on November 8, 2000 and died of lethal injection on April 3, 2014 at a Texas prison. Subscribe to: Killafornia Dreaming PodcastSources:https://matadornetwork.com/trips/11-surprising-facts-oakland/ http://www.casselsf.com/25-things-oakland/ https://datausa.io/profile/geo/oakland-ca/ https://datausa.io/profile/geo/oakland-ca/#demographics https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/oakland/crime https://www.areavibes.com/oakland-ca/crime/ https://murderpedia.org/male.S/s/sells-tommy-lynn.htm https://www.thoughtco.com/serial-killer-tommy-lynn-sells-973154 http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/death/US/sells1374.htm http://montgomerycountypolicereporter.com/murder-case-reopened-executed-killer/ https://dianefanning.com/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V7EL-Yg8Gghttps://books.google.com/books?id=IVRfs_5TmpYC&amp;pg=PA229&amp;lpg=PA229&amp;dq=Tommy+Lynn+Sells+meningitis&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=vYjB6NAweE&amp;sig=--kYgrIppA7tRFRTva6icfkkSWI&amp;hl=en&amp;sa=X&amp;ved=0ahUKEwjMx8rdiKTUAhUS0mMKHUKrDLg4ChDoAQhNMAg#v=onepage&amp;q=Tommy%20Lynn%20Sells%20meningitis&amp;f=falsehttps://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=784420This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved. This will be our FINAL episode of Season 2. We know that we haven't finished the alphabet but there are some changes coming to the format, based on what the listeners want. More to come in the following days/announcements on this. In this episode, Heather is joined by Roseanne from the Killafornia Dreaming podcast to discuss Tommy Lynn Sells. Tommy was born in Oakland, California on June 28, 1964 and was a serial killer who was known to rape his victims. He gave himself the moniker of Coast to Coast Killer as he murdered his victims from states all over the nation. Although he only had a handful of confirmed victims, he claimed to have killed 70 people. One of the most disturbing aspects about this case, and really about Tommy himself, is that he didn't have a type as far as his victims. He killed men, women, and children. His murders spanned from 1980 until 1999 and he was apprehended in January of 2000. He was sentenced to death on November 8, 2000 and died of lethal injection on April 3, 2014 at a Texas prison. Subscribe to: Killafornia Dreaming Podcast Sources: <a href="https://matadornetwork.com/trips/11-surprising-facts-oakland/" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://matadornetwork.com/trips/11-surprising-facts-oakland/</a> <a href="http://www.casselsf.com/25-things-oakland/" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.casselsf.com/25-things-oakland/</a> <a href="https://datausa.io/profile/geo/oakland-ca/" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://datausa.io/profile/geo/oakland-ca/</a> <a href="https://datausa.io/profile/geo/oakland-ca/#demographics" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://datausa.io/profile/geo/oakland-ca/#demographics</a> <a href="https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/oakland/crime" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/oakland/crime</a> <a href="https://www.areavibes.com/oakland-ca/crime/" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.areavibes.com/oakland-ca/crime/</a> <a href="https://murderpedia.org/male.S/s/sells-tommy-lynn.htm" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://murderpedia.org/male.S/s/sells-tommy-lynn.htm</a> <a href="https://www.thoughtco.com/serial-killer-tommy-lynn-sells-973154" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.thoughtco.com/serial-killer-tommy-lynn-sells-973154</a> <a href="http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/death/US/sells1374.htm" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/death/US/sells1374.htm</a> <a href="http://montgomerycountypolicereporter.com/murder-case-reopened-executed-killer/" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">http://montgomerycountypolicereporter.com/murder-case-reopened-executed-killer/</a> <a href="https://dianefanning.com/" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://dianefanning.com/</a> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V7EL-Yg8Gg" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V7EL-Yg8Gg</a> <a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=IVRfs_5TmpYC&amp;pg=PA229&amp;lpg=PA229&amp;dq=Tommy+Lynn+Sells+meningitis&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=vYjB6NAweE&amp;sig=--kYgrIppA7tRFRTva6icfkkSWI&amp;hl=en&amp;sa=X&amp;ved=0ahUKEwjMx8rdiKTUAhUS0mMKHUKrDLg4ChDoAQhNMAg#v" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://books.google.com/books?id=IVRfs_5TmpYC&amp;pg=PA229&amp;lpg=PA229&amp;dq=Tommy+Lynn+Sells+meningitis&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=vYjB6NAweE&amp;sig=--kYgrIppA7tRFRTva6icfkkSWI&amp;hl=en&amp;sa=X&amp;ved=0ahUKEwjMx8rdiKTUAhUS0mMKHUKrDLg4ChDoAQhNMAg#v</a>=onepage&amp;q=Tommy%20Lynn%20Sells%20meningitis&amp;f=false <a href="https://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=784420" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=784420</a> This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at <a href="https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement</a>

(S2) Oakland, California (Tommy Lynn Sells)

LR - #JusticeForAlissa (Part 1)

Anchorage

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2.  We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond.  We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.WE ARE BACK FOR SEASON 2!We are traveling to Anchorage, AK and since we found 2 serial killers that we wanted to discuss, this will be part 1 of 2.  In this episode, Heather and Rachelle discuss Robert Christian Hansen (aka the Butcher Baker) - the guy who took "The Most Dangerous Game" and turned it into his hobby.  Robert committed his murders from 1971-1983 and claimed the lives of 17-21+ victims.  He was convicted in 1984 for multiple crimes including arson, assault, kidnapping, weapons offense theft, insurance fraud, murder, and rape.  He was sentenced to 461 years in prison.  He died at Spring Creek Correctional Center (Seward, Alaska) in August of 2014. Promo for Voice of the Victim podcastOur theme music was created and customized by Nico Vettese of We Talk of Dreams.  You can follow him on IG (@wetalkofdreams)  and Twitter (@WeTalkofDreams).  Follow us on IG: @naturevsnarcissismFollow us on Twitter: @NvsNpodcastLike us on Facebook: @naturevsnarcissismJoin our discussion group: nature vs narcissism discussion group Support us on Patreon for cool perks and goodies for $1: https://www.patreon.com/NVNpodcastDonate one time via PayPal: naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com Most of our sources are mentioned in the episode.  For those that are not, you can email us at naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com for them. This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved. WE ARE BACK FOR SEASON 2!We are traveling to Anchorage, AK and since we found 2 serial killers that we wanted to discuss, this will be part 1 of 2.  In this episode, Heather and Rachelle discuss Robert Christian Hansen (aka the Butcher Baker) - the guy who took "The Most Dangerous Game" and turned it into his hobby.  Robert committed his murders from 1971-1983 and claimed the lives of 17-21+ victims.  He was convicted in 1984 for multiple crimes including arson, assault, kidnapping, weapons offense theft, insurance fraud, murder, and rape.  He was sentenced to 461 years in prison.  He died at Spring Creek Correctional Center (Seward, Alaska) in August of 2014. Promo for Voice of the Victim podcastOur theme music was created and customized by Nico Vettese of We Talk of Dreams.  You can follow him on IG (@wetalkofdreams)  and Twitter (@WeTalkofDreams).  Follow us on IG: @naturevsnarcissismFollow us on Twitter: @NvsNpodcastLike us on Facebook: @naturevsnarcissismJoin our discussion group: nature vs narcissism discussion group Support us on Patreon for cool perks and goodies for $1: <a href="https://www.patreon.com/NVNpodcastDonate" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.patreon.com/NVNpodcastDonate</a> one time via PayPal: <a href="mailto:naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com">naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com</a> Most of our sources are mentioned in the episode.  For those that are not, you can email us at <a href="mailto:naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com">naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com</a> for them.  This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at <a href="https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement</a>

(S2) Anchorage, AK (Pt1: Robert Christian Hansen)

Dana Marie

This is our FINAL listener request episode for Season 2.  After this episode, we will be changing up the format and there will be announcements in the upcoming weeks!  If we've already planned episodes with you; don't fret, it will still happen...just in a different way.  A way that YOU, the listeners, would like.For this listener request episode, Heather is joined by Hawaii native and podcaster; Breaker!  We will delve into the very complicated and tragic death of 23-year-old Dana Marie Ireland.  Dana died shortly after midnight on Christmas morning in 1991. After shopping with her mother and her older sister, she decided to take a bike ride to a friend's house to see if he would like to join them for Christmas dinner.  This was only about 8 miles away; something that she was quite used to biking.  However, as the hours passed, and the friend hadn't seen her; he reached out to the family.  They hadn't seen nor heard from her either.  That is when all of their lives changed forever.  There were so many factors that added up and created the perfect storm for Dana.  A storm that would lead to her death.  But who is responsible??Subscribe to: The Darker Side: True CrimeThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement

This is our FINAL listener request episode for Season 2. After this episode, we will be changing up the format and there will be announcements in the upcoming weeks! If we've already planned episodes with you; don't fret, it will still happen...just in a different way. A way that YOU, the listeners, would like. For this listener request episode, Heather is joined by Hawaii native and podcaster; Breaker! We will delve into the very complicated and tragic death of 23-year-old Dana Marie Ireland. Dana died shortly after midnight on Christmas morning in 1991. After shopping with her mother and her older sister, she decided to take a bike ride to a friend's house to see if he would like to join them for Christmas dinner. This was only about 8 miles away; something that she was quite used to biking. However, as the hours passed, and the friend hadn't seen her; he reached out to the family. They hadn't seen nor heard from her either. That is when all of their lives changed forever. There were so many factors that added up and created the perfect storm for Dana. A storm that would lead to her death. But who is responsible?? Subscribe to: The Darker Side: True Crime This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at <a href="https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement</a>

LR - The Murder of Dana Marie Ireland

Dayton Leroy Rogers

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2.  We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond.  We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.THIS IS A GRAPHIC EPISODE; CONTAINING VERY ADULT CONTENTPart 1 of 2In episode 28 of Season 2, Heather is joined by listener and true crime addict; Sam Simpson.  In this episode, we discuss the Molalla Forest Killer - Dayton Leroy Rogers from Molalla, Oregon.  He was classified as a serial killer who was known to rape and torture his victims.  Although he was only active for a short time in 1987; that we know of - he claimed the lives of 7 to 8 women between the ages of 16 and 35.  To his victims; all of whom were from a vulnerable population as they were runaways, drug addicts, and sex workers - he was known as "Steve the Gambler".  Bloodlust.  That's what he called the actions he took when causing harm to and eventually killing his victims due to the excruciating headache pain that he experienced.  He indicated that causing the blood to come out of his victims was the only way to remedy his own pain.  He was sentenced to death on June 9, 1989 and re-sentenced on March 8, 2006.Sourceshttp://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/molalla-or-population/ https://www.citytowninfo.com/places/oregon/molalla http://www.lisajackson.com/series.cfm https://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Molalla-Oregon.html https://www.areavibes.com/molalla-or/crime/ https://www.cityrating.com/crime-statistics/oregon/molalla.html https://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/2015/10/women_who_escaped_serial_kille.html https://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/2015/11/serial_killer_dayton_leroy_rog_1.html https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/oregon/molalla-forest-killer-or/ https://katu.com/news/local/after-30-some-years-remains-tied-to-serial-killer-dayton-leroy-rogers https://kval.com/news/local/dayton-leroy-rogers-serial-killers-death-sentence-vacated-by-court https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dayton-leroy-rogers_n_1181287 https://murderpedia.org/male.R/r/rogers-dayton-leroy.htm https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/ore-serial-killer-rogers-sentenced-to-death-for-4th-time/156017 https://www.amazon.in/Blood-Lust-Portrait-Serial-Killer-ebook/dp/B0053ZHL0E https://www.clackamas.us/sheriff/pressreleases/2013-11-18-CCSOPR-SerialKillerVictimID.html https://truecrimecases.blogspot.com/2012/08/dayton-leroy-rogers.html https://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-city/2015/11/defense_says_serial_killer_day.html https://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/2015/10/families_tell_jury_of_pain_ser.html https://www.famousbirthdays.com/people/dayton-rogers.html https://mylifeofcrime.wordpress.com/2017/12/05/serial-killer-dayton-leroy-rogers-the-molalla-forest-killer-killed-at-least-8-women-probably-several-more-sentenced-to-death-for-6-of-the-savage-murders/ https://www.monstersandcritics.com/smallscreen/grave-secrets-spotlights-molalla-forest-murderer-dayton-leroy-rogers/ https://www.famousdetails.com/dayton-leroy-rogers/ https://mylifeofcrime.wordpress.com/2017/12/05/serial-killer-dayton-leroy-rogers-the-molalla-forest-killer-killed-at-least-8-women-probably-several-more-sentenced-to-death-for-6-of-the-savage-murders/ https://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/page/oregon_death_row.htmlThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved. THIS IS A GRAPHIC EPISODE; CONTAINING VERY ADULT CONTENT Part 1 of 2 In episode 28 of Season 2, Heather is joined by listener and true crime addict; Sam Simpson. In this episode, we discuss the Molalla Forest Killer - Dayton Leroy Rogers from Molalla, Oregon. He was classified as a serial killer who was known to rape and torture his victims. Although he was only active for a short time in 1987; that we know of - he claimed the lives of 7 to 8 women between the ages of 16 and 35. To his victims; all of whom were from a vulnerable population as they were runaways, drug addicts, and sex workers - he was known as "Steve the Gambler". Bloodlust. That's what he called the actions he took when causing harm to and eventually killing his victims due to the excruciating headache pain that he experienced. He indicated that causing the blood to come out of his victims was the only way to remedy his own pain. He was sentenced to death on June 9, 1989 and re-sentenced on March 8, 2006. Sources <a href="http://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/molalla-or-population/" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">http://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/molalla-or-population/</a> <a href="https://www.citytowninfo.com/places/oregon/molalla" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.citytowninfo.com/places/oregon/molalla</a> <a href="http://www.lisajackson.com/series.cfm" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.lisajackson.com/series.cfm</a> <a href="https://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Molalla-Oregon.html" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Molalla-Oregon.html</a> <a href="https://www.areavibes.com/molalla-or/crime/" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.areavibes.com/molalla-or/crime/</a> <a href="https://www.cityrating.com/crime-statistics/oregon/molalla.html" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.cityrating.com/crime-statistics/oregon/molalla.html</a> <a href="https://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/2015/10/women_who_escaped_serial_kille.html" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/2015/10/women_who_escaped_serial_kille.html</a> <a href="https://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/2015/11/serial_killer_dayton_leroy_rog_1.html" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/2015/11/serial_killer_dayton_leroy_rog_1.html</a> <a href="https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/oregon/molalla-forest-killer-or/" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/oregon/molalla-forest-killer-or/</a> <a href="https://katu.com/news/local/after-30-some-years-remains-tied-to-serial-killer-dayton-leroy-rogers" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://katu.com/news/local/after-30-some-years-remains-tied-to-serial-killer-dayton-leroy-rogers</a> <a href="https://kval.com/news/local/dayton-leroy-rogers-serial-killers-death-sentence-vacated-by-court" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://kval.com/news/local/dayton-leroy-rogers-serial-killers-death-sentence-vacated-by-court</a> <a href="https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dayton-leroy-rogers_n_1181287" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dayton-leroy-rogers_n_1181287</a> <a href="https://murderpedia.org/male.R/r/rogers-dayton-leroy.htm" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://murderpedia.org/male.R/r/rogers-dayton-leroy.htm</a> <a href="https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/ore-serial-killer-rogers-sentenced-to-death-for-4th-time/156017" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/ore-serial-killer-rogers-sentenced-to-death-for-4th-time/156017</a> <a href="https://www.amazon.in/Blood-Lust-Portrait-Serial-Killer-ebook/dp/B0053ZHL0E" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.amazon.in/Blood-Lust-Portrait-Serial-Killer-ebook/dp/B0053ZHL0E</a> <a href="https://www.clackamas.us/sheriff/pressreleases/2013-11-18-CCSOPR-SerialKillerVictimID.html" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.clackamas.us/sheriff/pressreleases/2013-11-18-CCSOPR-SerialKillerVictimID.html</a> <a href="https://truecrimecases.blogspot.com/2012/08/dayton-leroy-rogers.html" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://truecrimecases.blogspot.com/2012/08/dayton-leroy-rogers.html</a> <a href="https://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-city/2015/11/defense_says_serial_killer_day.html" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-city/2015/11/defense_says_serial_killer_day.html</a> <a href="https://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/2015/10/families_tell_jury_of_pain_ser.html" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/2015/10/families_tell_jury_of_pain_ser.html</a> <a href="https://www.famousbirthdays.com/people/dayton-rogers.html" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.famousbirthdays.com/people/dayton-rogers.html</a> <a href="https://mylifeofcrime.wordpress.com/2017/12/05/serial-killer-dayton-leroy-rogers-the-molalla-forest-killer-killed-at-least-8-women-probably-several-more-sentenced-to-death-for-6-of-the-savage-murders/" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://mylifeofcrime.wordpress.com/2017/12/05/serial-killer-dayton-leroy-rogers-the-molalla-forest-killer-killed-at-least-8-women-probably-several-more-sentenced-to-death-for-6-of-the-savage-murders/</a> <a href="https://www.monstersandcritics.com/smallscreen/grave-secrets-spotlights-molalla-forest-murderer-dayton-leroy-rogers/" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.monstersandcritics.com/smallscreen/grave-secrets-spotlights-molalla-forest-murderer-dayton-leroy-rogers/</a> <a href="https://www.famousdetails.com/dayton-leroy-rogers/" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.famousdetails.com/dayton-leroy-rogers/</a> <a href="https://mylifeofcrime.wordpress.com/2017/12/05/serial-killer-dayton-leroy-rogers-the-molalla-forest-killer-killed-at-least-8-women-probably-several-more-sentenced-to-death-for-6-of-the-savage-murders/" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://mylifeofcrime.wordpress.com/2017/12/05/serial-killer-dayton-leroy-rogers-the-molalla-forest-killer-killed-at-least-8-women-probably-several-more-sentenced-to-death-for-6-of-the-savage-murders/</a> <a href="https://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/page/oregon_death_row.html" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/page/oregon_death_row.html</a> This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at <a href="https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement</a>

(S2) Molalla, Oregon (Dayton Leroy Rogers: Part 1)

James Bulger

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 1.  We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond.  We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.Heather collaborates with Warbaby from the Murderous Minors: Killer Kids Podcast to break down this case and discuss some of the fascinating details surrounding it.  Join us for the ride and be aware that this is not for the faint of heart.  Two children abducted, beat, and killed another young child in this case.  Robert Thompson and Jon Venebles were ruthless, heartless, and methodical in their scheme.We thought the perfect release date would be today, February 12, 2018 as it is the anniversary of baby James' brutal murder.Promos in this episode:Murderous Minors: Killer KidsThe Fiercely Altered Perspective Podcast - COMING MARCH 2018! This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 1. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved. Heather collaborates with Warbaby from the Murderous Minors: Killer Kids Podcast to break down this case and discuss some of the fascinating details surrounding it.  Join us for the ride and be aware that this is not for the faint of heart.  Two children abducted, beat, and killed another young child in this case.  Robert Thompson and Jon Venebles were ruthless, heartless, and methodical in their scheme.We thought the perfect release date would be today, February 12, 2018 as it is the anniversary of baby James' brutal murder.Promos in this episode:Murderous Minors: Killer KidsThe Fiercely Altered Perspective Podcast - COMING MARCH 2018!  This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at <a href="https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement</a>

(S1) The James Bulger Case (Collab with Warbaby from the Murderous Minors: Killer Kids Podcast)

Trisha Bake

On Saturday, Dec 7th, we celebrated a Patron's birthday!  As part of the celebration, Trisha came to the studio and recorded for a couple of hours about life, crime, family members who are criminals and her own podcast!  This is part one of two and we talked for about 4 hours in total...we could have talked for about 10 hours probably!  We hope you enjoy these episodes and check out her podcast:   The Rippled Effect PodcastThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement

On Saturday, Dec 7th, we celebrated a Patron's birthday! As part of the celebration, Trisha came to the studio and recorded for a couple of hours about life, crime, family members who are criminals and her own podcast! This is part one of two and we talked for about 4 hours in total...we could have talked for about 10 hours probably! We hope you enjoy these episodes and check out her podcast: The Rippled Effect Podcast This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at <a href="https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement</a>

Patron Member-SODE (Trisha Bake) Part 1

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 1.  We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond.  We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.In the FINAL letter episode of Season 1, Heather and Rachelle discuss the Zebra Murders aka The Zebra Killings.  The best way to describe them is via a direct quote that we found here: https://blog.sfgate.com/crime/2013/03/13/zebra-killer-denied-parole/.  The Zebra Killings were “execution-style shootings that killed 14 people and wounded eight others between October 1973 and April 1974, mostly at night along the city’s Divisadero Street corridor. The gunmen were African American and the victims were mostly white. The killings got the Zebra label from police use of a special radio band, the Z channel, in their investigation.” (pulled quote from *PLEASE NOTE: THIS IS (like most others) A GRUESOME CASE WHICH INVOLVES TRIGGER WARNINGS* Although we are wrapping up Season 1, that doesn’t mean that we are done!  We will have several guests appearing on the show between Season 1 and Season 2.  Season 2 will still be alphabetical BUT we will be covering killers (not necessarily serial killers) from everywhere.  We will choose them based on where they’re from.  For instance, the Zebra Killings took place in San Fransisco, California so we would cover them for our “S” episode.  If YOU have a suggestion, send it to us!  We want to cover lesser known killers this season! SHOUTOUT TO OUR PATREON SUPPORTERS!!!Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/NVNpodcastScott Fuller from the Frozen Truth PodcastChelsea &amp; David from the Based on a True Crime Podcast Jessa &amp; Nick from the Getting Off PodcastKate from the Ignorance Was Bliss PodcastLauren AllenValarie WhitakerMegan Mayerle  Promos in this episode:Your Brain on Facts PodcastThe Brothers Commonplace Podcast Check out our @naturevsnarcissism (Instagram), @NvsNpodcast (Twitter)and @naturevsnarcissism (Facebook)pages for pictures mentioned in the episode!  BUY COOL SHIT:https://naturevsnarcissism.threadless.com/Source for all of the quotes: http://www.heretical.com/miscella/zebra.html. Email me for more sources.This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 1. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved. In the FINAL letter episode of Season 1, Heather and Rachelle discuss the Zebra Murders aka The Zebra Killings.  The best way to describe them is via a direct quote that we found here: <a href="https://blog.sfgate.com/crime/2013/03/13/zebra-killer-denied-parole/" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://blog.sfgate.com/crime/2013/03/13/zebra-killer-denied-parole/</a>.  The Zebra Killings were “execution-style shootings that killed 14 people and wounded eight others between October 1973 and April 1974, mostly at night along the city’s Divisadero Street corridor. The gunmen were African American and the victims were mostly white. The killings got the Zebra label from police use of a special radio band, the Z channel, in their investigation.” (pulled quote from *PLEASE NOTE: THIS IS (like most others) A GRUESOME CASE WHICH INVOLVES TRIGGER WARNINGS* Although we are wrapping up Season 1, that doesn’t mean that we are done!  We will have several guests appearing on the show between Season 1 and Season 2.  Season 2 will still be alphabetical BUT we will be covering killers (not necessarily serial killers) from everywhere.  We will choose them based on where they’re from.  For instance, the Zebra Killings took place in San Fransisco, California so we would cover them for our “S” episode.  If YOU have a suggestion, send it to us!  We want to cover lesser known killers this season! SHOUTOUT TO OUR PATREON SUPPORTERS!!!Support us on Patreon: <a href="https://www.patreon.com/NVNpodcastScott" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.patreon.com/NVNpodcastScott</a> Fuller from the Frozen Truth PodcastChelsea &amp; David from the Based on a True Crime Podcast Jessa &amp; Nick from the Getting Off PodcastKate from the Ignorance Was Bliss PodcastLauren AllenValarie WhitakerMegan Mayerle  Promos in this episode:Your Brain on Facts PodcastThe Brothers Commonplace Podcast Check out our @naturevsnarcissism (Instagram), @NvsNpodcast (Twitter)and @naturevsnarcissism (Facebook)pages for pictures mentioned in the episode!  BUY COOL SHIT:<a href="https://naturevsnarcissism.threadless.com/Source" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://naturevsnarcissism.threadless.com/Source</a> for all of the quotes: <a href="http://www.heretical.com/miscella/zebra.html" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.heretical.com/miscella/zebra.html</a>. Email me for more sources. This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at <a href="https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement</a>

(S1) Zebra Murders

This is the first episode of SEASON 3 - where we'll be discussing FEMALE KILLERS!  Genene Anne Jones is an American serial killer who is currently serving her prison sentence in Texas.  In 1985, she was sentenced to 99 years in prison for killing a 15-month-old baby girl with Succinylcholine and an additional 60 years (to be served concurrently) for almost killing a 4-week-old with an overdose of Heparin.  As of 2020, there have been developments in this case.Check out our website: https://www.naturevsnarcissism.com to find sources, merch, and much more!Thank you @mackorslash from the @hackorslash podcast for this suggestion!This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement

This is the first episode of SEASON 3 - where we'll be discussing FEMALE KILLERS! Genene Anne Jones is an American serial killer who is currently serving her prison sentence in Texas. In 1985, she was sentenced to 99 years in prison for killing a 15-month-old baby girl with Succinylcholine and an additional 60 years (to be served concurrently) for almost killing a 4-week-old with an overdose of Heparin. As of 2020, there have been developments in this case. Check out our website: <a href="https://www.naturevsnarcissism.com" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.naturevsnarcissism.com</a> to find sources, merch, and much more! Thank you @mackorslash from the @hackorslash podcast for this suggestion! This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at <a href="https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement</a>

0301 - Geneeeeene

Ariel Castro

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2.  We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond.  We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.In this episode, Heather is joined by Courtney from The Cult of Domesticity Podcastto discuss a local monster!  We head to Cleveland, Ohio to discuss Ariel Castro AND his survivors.  Castro was born in Puerto Rico but moved to Cleveland, Ohio with his family as a child.  He bought a house on Seymour Avenue…that he later turned into what can only be described as a “House of Horrors”.  He kidnapped three young women and held them captive in his home for over 10 years.  He beat them, starved them, wouldn’t allow them to leave the house, and even raped them on a regular basis.  One of his victims suffered at least 5 abortions at his hands while another was forced to have his baby.  Michelle Knight was 21 when he abducted her in 2002, Amanda Berry was 16 when he abducted her in 2003, and Georgina DeJesus was just 14 when he abducted her in 2004. After their escape in 2013, Castro was sentenced to life in prison without parole plus 1,000 years. He committed suicide in his cell just a little over a month after he was sentenced.  All three women are alive and doing their best to help other families of missing and exploited children.Subscribe to The Cult of Domesticity Podcast Our theme music was created and customized by Nico Vettese of We Talk of Dreams.  You can follow him on IG (@wetalkofdreams)  and Twitter (@WeTalkofDreams). Follow us on IG: @naturevsnarcissismFollow us on Twitter: @NvsNpodcastLike us on Facebook: @naturevsnarcissismJoin our discussion group: nature vs narcissism discussion groupSupport us on Patreon for cool perks and goodies for $1: https://www.patreon.com/NVNpodcastDonate one time via PayPal: naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com.   Most of our sources are mentioned in the episode.  For those that are not, you can email us at naturevsnarcissism@gmail.comfor them.  We will also post them on our Facebook page.This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved. In this episode, Heather is joined by Courtney from The Cult of Domesticity Podcastto discuss a local monster!  We head to Cleveland, Ohio to discuss Ariel Castro AND his survivors.  Castro was born in Puerto Rico but moved to Cleveland, Ohio with his family as a child.  He bought a house on Seymour Avenue…that he later turned into what can only be described as a “House of Horrors”.  He kidnapped three young women and held them captive in his home for over 10 years.  He beat them, starved them, wouldn’t allow them to leave the house, and even raped them on a regular basis.  One of his victims suffered at least 5 abortions at his hands while another was forced to have his baby.  Michelle Knight was 21 when he abducted her in 2002, Amanda Berry was 16 when he abducted her in 2003, and Georgina DeJesus was just 14 when he abducted her in 2004. After their escape in 2013, Castro was sentenced to life in prison without parole plus 1,000 years. He committed suicide in his cell just a little over a month after he was sentenced.  All three women are alive and doing their best to help other families of missing and exploited children.Subscribe to The Cult of Domesticity Podcast Our theme music was created and customized by Nico Vettese of We Talk of Dreams.  You can follow him on IG (@wetalkofdreams)  and Twitter (@WeTalkofDreams). Follow us on IG: @naturevsnarcissismFollow us on Twitter: @NvsNpodcastLike us on Facebook: @naturevsnarcissismJoin our discussion group: nature vs narcissism discussion groupSupport us on Patreon for cool perks and goodies for $1: <a href="https://www.patreon.com/NVNpodcastDonate" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.patreon.com/NVNpodcastDonate</a> one time via PayPal: <a href="mailto:naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com">naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com</a>.   Most of our sources are mentioned in the episode.  For those that are not, you can email us at <a href="mailto:naturevsnarcissism@gmail.comfor">naturevsnarcissism@gmail.comfor</a> them.  We will also post them on our Facebook page. This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at <a href="https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement</a>

(S2) Cleveland, Ohio (Ariel Castro)

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2.  We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond.  We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.In this episode, Heather and Rachelle travel to Charlotte, NC to discuss a man who confesses to the murder of at least 10 women.  Since Rachelle LOVES Taco Bell; she takes the lead in this episode!  Henry Louis Wallace aka the Taco Bell Strangler is currently awaiting execution at Central Prison in Raleigh, North Carolina.  His crime spree lasted from early 1990 until his capture in 1994. The police believe that the heart of his murders occurred during a 22-month span.  All of his victims were acquaintances that he had met and befriended as he managed a Taco Bell restaurant.  Subscribe to 33% Pulp PodcastSubscribe to Bad In The Boondocks PodcastPurchase your live show tickets to see Getting Off Podcast&amp; Ignorance Was Bliss Podcastlive in Chicago: BUY YOUR TICKET!  Our theme music was created and customized by Nico Vettese of We Talk of Dreams.  You can follow him on IG (@wetalkofdreams)  and Twitter (@WeTalkofDreams). Follow us on IG: @naturevsnarcissismFollow us on Twitter: @NvsNpodcastLike us on Facebook: @naturevsnarcissismJoin our discussion group: nature vs narcissism discussion groupSupport us on Patreon for cool perks and goodies for $1: https://www.patreon.com/NVNpodcastDonate one time via PayPal: naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com.   Most of our sources are mentioned in the episode.  For those that are not, you can email us at naturevsnarcissism@gmail.comfor them.  We will also post them on our Facebook page. This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved. In this episode, Heather and Rachelle travel to Charlotte, NC to discuss a man who confesses to the murder of at least 10 women.  Since Rachelle LOVES Taco Bell; she takes the lead in this episode!  Henry Louis Wallace aka the Taco Bell Strangler is currently awaiting execution at Central Prison in Raleigh, North Carolina.  His crime spree lasted from early 1990 until his capture in 1994. The police believe that the heart of his murders occurred during a 22-month span.  All of his victims were acquaintances that he had met and befriended as he managed a Taco Bell restaurant.  Subscribe to 33% Pulp PodcastSubscribe to Bad In The Boondocks PodcastPurchase your live show tickets to see Getting Off Podcast&amp; Ignorance Was Bliss Podcastlive in Chicago: BUY YOUR TICKET!  Our theme music was created and customized by Nico Vettese of We Talk of Dreams.  You can follow him on IG (@wetalkofdreams)  and Twitter (@WeTalkofDreams). Follow us on IG: @naturevsnarcissismFollow us on Twitter: @NvsNpodcastLike us on Facebook: @naturevsnarcissismJoin our discussion group: nature vs narcissism discussion groupSupport us on Patreon for cool perks and goodies for $1: <a href="https://www.patreon.com/NVNpodcastDonate" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.patreon.com/NVNpodcastDonate</a> one time via PayPal: <a href="mailto:naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com">naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com</a>.   Most of our sources are mentioned in the episode.  For those that are not, you can email us at <a href="mailto:naturevsnarcissism@gmail.comfor">naturevsnarcissism@gmail.comfor</a> them.  We will also post them on our Facebook page.  This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at <a href="https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement</a>

(S2) Charlotte, NC (Henry Louis Wallace aka The Taco Bell Strangler)

Scott Lee

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2.  We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond.  We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.In this episode, Heather and Rachelle head to Boulder, Colorado to discuss Scott Lee Kimball.. Boulder County native Scott Kimball was known as a career criminal and conman whom had an uncanny ability to convince people to give him the benefit of the doubt. In fact, he was so charming, that he was able to convince the FBI…the fucking FBI to release him from prison on December 18, 2002 so that he could become a PAID informant for them!  He was known as “Hannibal” or “Joe Snitch” and took the lives of at least 4 people…including his own uncle.  He is serving a sentence of 70 years after pleading guilty in 2009 to two counts of second degree murder; one for his uncle and another for Kaysi McLeod, Jennifer Marcum, and LeAnn Emry. Our theme music was created and customized by Nico Vettese of We Talk of Dreams.  You can follow him on IG (@wetalkofdreams)  and Twitter (@WeTalkofDreams).  Follow us on IG: @naturevsnarcissismFollow us on Twitter: @NvsNpodcastLike us on Facebook: @naturevsnarcissismJoin our discussion group: nature vs narcissism discussion groupSupport us on Patreon for cool perks and goodies for $1: https://www.patreon.com/NVNpodcastDonate one time via PayPal: naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com.   Most of our sources are mentioned in the episode.  For those that are not, you can email us at naturevsnarcissism@gmail.comfor them. This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved. In this episode, Heather and Rachelle head to Boulder, Colorado to discuss Scott Lee Kimball.. Boulder County native Scott Kimball was known as a career criminal and conman whom had an uncanny ability to convince people to give him the benefit of the doubt. In fact, he was so charming, that he was able to convince the FBI…the fucking FBI to release him from prison on December 18, 2002 so that he could become a PAID informant for them!  He was known as “Hannibal” or “Joe Snitch” and took the lives of at least 4 people…including his own uncle.  He is serving a sentence of 70 years after pleading guilty in 2009 to two counts of second degree murder; one for his uncle and another for Kaysi McLeod, Jennifer Marcum, and LeAnn Emry. Our theme music was created and customized by Nico Vettese of We Talk of Dreams.  You can follow him on IG (@wetalkofdreams)  and Twitter (@WeTalkofDreams).  Follow us on IG: @naturevsnarcissismFollow us on Twitter: @NvsNpodcastLike us on Facebook: @naturevsnarcissismJoin our discussion group: nature vs narcissism discussion groupSupport us on Patreon for cool perks and goodies for $1: <a href="https://www.patreon.com/NVNpodcastDonate" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.patreon.com/NVNpodcastDonate</a> one time via PayPal: <a href="mailto:naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com">naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com</a>.   Most of our sources are mentioned in the episode.  For those that are not, you can email us at <a href="mailto:naturevsnarcissism@gmail.comfor">naturevsnarcissism@gmail.comfor</a> them.  This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at <a href="https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement</a>

(S2) Boulder, Colorado (Scott Lee Kimball)

Gary Ridgway

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2.  We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond.  We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.Small disclaimer - I tried to make a water sound in the intro...didn’t work out the best - oops!  Oh well, it’s only a few seconds long!In this episode, Heather is joined again by the one and only Scott Fuller to discuss a serial killer from the Green River, Washington area.  This is a killer that Heather has NEVER looked up until now.  Not too sure why, other than the fact that she felt as though he was way overdone in the True Crime genre and perhaps not too fascinating.  However, Scott has a way of providing information and details that will pull someone in and that’s exactly what he did here!Gary Leon Ridgway was born on February 18, 1949 in Salt Lake City, Utah.  He is responsible for at least 49 murders of teenage runaways and female sex workers from 1982 until 2001 – most of these murders occurring between 1982 and 1984 though.  Gary aka “The Green River Killer” has confessed to at least 71 murders but said that there very well could be more but he lost count.  He is currently sitting in a cell at the Washington State Penitentiary in Walla Walla and serving 48 life sentences plus 480 years.Guest Host: @FullerOnAir - follow him on TwitterCheck out Scott’s other projects too: Frozen Truth Podcast, Status Pending, Dead &amp; Gone in WyomingOur theme music was created and customized by Nico Vettese of We Talk of Dreams.You can follow him on IG (@wetalkofdreams) and Twitter (@WeTalkofDreams).Follow us on IG: @naturevsnarcissismFollow us on Twitter: @NvsNpodcastLike us on Facebook: Nature vs NarcissismJoin our discussion group: Nature vs Narcissism Discussion GroupSupport us on Patreon for cool perks and goodies for $1: https://www.patreon.com/NVNpodcastDonate one time via PayPal: naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com Most of our sources are mentioned in the episode.  For those that are not, you can email us at naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com for them.This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved. Small disclaimer - I tried to make a water sound in the intro...didn’t work out the best - oops! Oh well, it’s only a few seconds long! In this episode, Heather is joined again by the one and only Scott Fuller to discuss a serial killer from the Green River, Washington area. This is a killer that Heather has NEVER looked up until now. Not too sure why, other than the fact that she felt as though he was way overdone in the True Crime genre and perhaps not too fascinating. However, Scott has a way of providing information and details that will pull someone in and that’s exactly what he did here! Gary Leon Ridgway was born on February 18, 1949 in Salt Lake City, Utah. He is responsible for at least 49 murders of teenage runaways and female sex workers from 1982 until 2001 – most of these murders occurring between 1982 and 1984 though. Gary aka “The Green River Killer” has confessed to at least 71 murders but said that there very well could be more but he lost count. He is currently sitting in a cell at the Washington State Penitentiary in Walla Walla and serving 48 life sentences plus 480 years. Guest Host: @FullerOnAir - follow him on Twitter Check out Scott’s other projects too: Frozen Truth Podcast, Status Pending, Dead &amp; Gone in Wyoming Our theme music was created and customized by Nico Vettese of We Talk of Dreams. You can follow him on IG (@wetalkofdreams) and Twitter (@WeTalkofDreams). Follow us on IG: @naturevsnarcissism Follow us on Twitter: @NvsNpodcast Like us on Facebook: Nature vs Narcissism Join our discussion group: Nature vs Narcissism Discussion Group Support us on Patreon for cool perks and goodies for $1: <a href="https://www.patreon.com/NVNpodcast" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.patreon.com/NVNpodcast</a> Donate one time via PayPal: <a href="mailto:naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com">naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com</a> Most of our sources are mentioned in the episode. For those that are not, you can email us at <a href="mailto:naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com">naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com</a> for them. This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at <a href="https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement</a>

(S2) Green River, Washington (Gary Ridgway AKA Green River Killer)

Joseph Metheny

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2.  We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond.  We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.In this episode, Heather is joined by a return guest and her father; Heath Pendergrass to discuss Joseph Roy Metheny.  Metheny admitted to killing 10 people but evidence was found to indict him on just two murders; Cathy Ann Magaziner (45 years old) and Toni Lynn Ingrassia (28 years old).  Metheny was convicted on numerous other charges such as kidnapping, attempted rape, and attempted murder of two other victims.  One of his victims (Kimberly Lynn Spicer) was able to escape and notify police which lead to his arrest.  His death penalty was overturned in 2000; in turn placing him in prison on a life sentence…until his death in 2017 when he was found in his cell. Disgusting fact about him?  He claimed to have had a roadside BBQ stand where he used his victims’ bodies as meat.   Our theme music was created and customized by Nico Vettese of We Talk of Dreams.  You can follow him on IG (@wetalkofdreams)  and Twitter (@WeTalkofDreams).  Follow us on IG: @naturevsnarcissismFollow us on Twitter: @NvsNpodcastLike us on Facebook: @naturevsnarcissismJoin our discussion group: nature vs narcissism discussion group Support us on Patreon for cool perks and goodies for $1: https://www.patreon.com/NVNpodcastDonate one time via PayPal: naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com.  Most of our sources are mentioned in the episode.  For those that are not, you can email us at naturevsnarcissism@gmail.comfor them. This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved. In this episode, Heather is joined by a return guest and her father; Heath Pendergrass to discuss Joseph Roy Metheny.  Metheny admitted to killing 10 people but evidence was found to indict him on just two murders; Cathy Ann Magaziner (45 years old) and Toni Lynn Ingrassia (28 years old).  Metheny was convicted on numerous other charges such as kidnapping, attempted rape, and attempted murder of two other victims.  One of his victims (Kimberly Lynn Spicer) was able to escape and notify police which lead to his arrest.  His death penalty was overturned in 2000; in turn placing him in prison on a life sentence…until his death in 2017 when he was found in his cell. Disgusting fact about him?  He claimed to have had a roadside BBQ stand where he used his victims’ bodies as meat.   Our theme music was created and customized by Nico Vettese of We Talk of Dreams.  You can follow him on IG (@wetalkofdreams)  and Twitter (@WeTalkofDreams).  Follow us on IG: @naturevsnarcissismFollow us on Twitter: @NvsNpodcastLike us on Facebook: @naturevsnarcissismJoin our discussion group: nature vs narcissism discussion group Support us on Patreon for cool perks and goodies for $1: <a href="https://www.patreon.com/NVNpodcastDonate" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.patreon.com/NVNpodcastDonate</a> one time via PayPal: <a href="mailto:naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com">naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com</a>.  Most of our sources are mentioned in the episode.  For those that are not, you can email us at <a href="mailto:naturevsnarcissism@gmail.comfor">naturevsnarcissism@gmail.comfor</a> them.  This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at <a href="https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement</a>

(S2) Baltimore, Maryland (Joseph Metheny) w/Dad

Elias Abuelazam

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2.  We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond.  We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.In this episode, Heather is joined by Brittany to discuss a serial killer/serial stabber from her home state of Michigan!  He committed most of his murders in Flint, MI but also stabbed multiple victims in multiple other states.  Elias Abuelazam is an Israeli convicted murderer who is also known as the “Flint Serial Killer” and “The Serial Slasher”.  It is believed that he had a total of 5 murder victims and upwards of 18 stabbing victims, who luckily made it out alive.  His murders are said to have occurred between March od 2009 and August of 2010.  He was eventually apprehended in August of 2010 after trying to flee back to Israel from Atlanta, GA.  He was sentenced to like imprisonment without the possibility of parole in Michigan on June 25, 2012, but he maintained his innocence and had an interesting defense argument at trial._________Guest Host: @brittschultz09 - follow her on TwitterPromo: True Crime Deadline ____________Our theme music was created and customized by Nico Vettese of We Talk of Dreams.  You can follow him on IG (@wetalkofdreams) and Twitter (@WeTalkofDreams).  Follow us on IG: @naturevsnarcissism Follow us on Twitter: @NvsNpodcast Like us on Facebook: @naturevsnarcissism Join our discussion group: nature vs narcissism discussion group Support us on Patreon for cool perks and goodies for $1: https://www.patreon.com/NVNpodcast Donate one time via PayPal: naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com.      Most of our sources are mentioned in the episode.  For those that are not, you can email us at naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com for them.This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved. In this episode, Heather is joined by Brittany to discuss a serial killer/serial stabber from her home state of Michigan! He committed most of his murders in Flint, MI but also stabbed multiple victims in multiple other states. Elias Abuelazam is an Israeli convicted murderer who is also known as the “Flint Serial Killer” and “The Serial Slasher”. It is believed that he had a total of 5 murder victims and upwards of 18 stabbing victims, who luckily made it out alive. His murders are said to have occurred between March od 2009 and August of 2010. He was eventually apprehended in August of 2010 after trying to flee back to Israel from Atlanta, GA. He was sentenced to like imprisonment without the possibility of parole in Michigan on June 25, 2012, but he maintained his innocence and had an interesting defense argument at trial. _________ Guest Host: @brittschultz09 - follow her on Twitter Promo: True Crime Deadline ____________ Our theme music was created and customized by Nico Vettese of We Talk of Dreams.  You can follow him on IG (@wetalkofdreams) and Twitter (@WeTalkofDreams). Follow us on IG: @naturevsnarcissism Follow us on Twitter: @NvsNpodcast Like us on Facebook: @naturevsnarcissism Join our discussion group: nature vs narcissism discussion group Support us on Patreon for cool perks and goodies for $1: <a href="https://www.patreon.com/NVNpodcast" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.patreon.com/NVNpodcast</a> Donate one time via PayPal: <a href="mailto:naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com">naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com</a>.       Most of our sources are mentioned in the episode.  For those that are not, you can email us at <a href="mailto:naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com">naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com</a> for them. This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at <a href="https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spreaker.com/show/3642555/advertisement</a>

(S2) Flint, Michigan (Elias Abuelazam)

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