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The Politics Guys

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Tired of liberals and conservatives screaming partisan talking points? We were, and so we created The Politics Guys as a sane and civil alternative. Each week, a liberal and a conservative talk *to*, not at each other, in an attempt to better understand the week in politics & policy. We're not about scoring cheap partisan points or preaching to the ideological choir. We reject the notion that people who see the world differently are either stupid or evil. Our mission is to promote a shared, evidence-based understanding of American politics and policy. We hope you'll join us.

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Tired of liberals and conservatives screaming partisan talking points? We were, and so we created The Politics Guys as a sane and civil alternative. Each week, a liberal and a conservative talk *to*, not at each other, in an attempt to better understand the week in politics & policy. We're not about scoring cheap partisan points or preaching to the ideological choir. We reject the notion that people who see the world differently are either stupid or evil. Our mission is to promote a shared, evidence-based understanding of American politics and policy. We hope you'll join us.

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Great Show!

By poliCat2020 - Aug 07 2019
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Love the show interviewing David Hawkings and his project The Fulcrum! A+++

A Candid Discussion

By Qazwsx1357924680 - Feb 26 2019
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Interesting aspect on what is really taking place.

iTunes Ratings

561 Ratings
Average Ratings
456
52
13
14
26

Great Show!

By poliCat2020 - Aug 07 2019
Read more
Love the show interviewing David Hawkings and his project The Fulcrum! A+++

A Candid Discussion

By Qazwsx1357924680 - Feb 26 2019
Read more
Interesting aspect on what is really taking place.
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The Politics Guys

Updated 13 days ago

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Tired of liberals and conservatives screaming partisan talking points? We were, and so we created The Politics Guys as a sane and civil alternative. Each week, a liberal and a conservative talk *to*, not at each other, in an attempt to better understand the week in politics & policy. We're not about scoring cheap partisan points or preaching to the ideological choir. We reject the notion that people who see the world differently are either stupid or evil. Our mission is to promote a shared, evidence-based understanding of American politics and policy. We hope you'll join us.

Rank #1: PG 118: Trump's UN Speech, The Escalating Nomenclature of North Korea and the United States, Facebook and Drudge go Russian, and the Alabama Primary

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This week Trey explains how hurricane Irma had him evacuate the state of Florida and offer thanks to all the listeners who inquired about his family and home. Then Trey and Jay turn to politics and the week's biggest story: Trump's United Nations speech. Trey, despite himself, was a bit impressed, but Trey and Jay disagree over the bigger implications of the speech. Most pointedly, they debate whether the Republican Party has given up on classical liberalism as an economic policy. Next they move to the escalating war of words between Trump and Kim Jong-un. Jay argues that we cannot have another cold war future and Trey offers a bit of caution to the rhetoric. After that they tackle the news that Facebook was being used by Russians for advertising purposes during the election and that Matt Drudge consistently linked to Russian propaganda. Finally Trey and Jay turn to the Alabama primary and Trump's unique endorsement before explaining why they didn't talk health care. This week's sponsors: DaVinci: providing access to affordable office locations in every city. Book your space now and get one hour free for listeners at http://www.DaVinciMeeting.com/TPG Zip Recruiter: get quality candidates for your job posting. Listeners can use it for free by visiting http://www.ZipRecruiter.com/politicsguy
Sep 23 2017
59 mins
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Rank #2: PG113 Charlottesville (again), Bannon's Out, and the Rise of Hope Hicks

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This week’s show starts by examining Trump’s ever changing statement on Charlottesville, VA. Trump would end up setting a more measured tone renouncing Neo-Nazi’s and other hate groups, but then on Tuesday Trump became combative with reporters and argued there are two sides to the story, specifically calling out the “alt-left.” The shift has seemingly shaken the White House as Trump goes off message again. Next, we look specifically at the ever evolving White House. This week it is the exit of Bannon. Early Friday news broke that Bannon had mutually agreed to leave, but that afternoon it became clear that Trump had asked him to step down. By late Friday reports emerged that Bannon would be returning to Breitbart. We talk generally about the White House churn and, specifically, what a “freed” Bannon means both for the news cycle and the White House. After that the Guys discuss Hope Hicks, the 28 year old interim communications director. We also respond to some listener mail. We hope you’ll check out the sponsors of today’s show: ZipRecruiter, where Politics Guys listeners can post jobs on ZipRecruiter for FREE by going to http://www.ZipRecruiter.com/politicsguy Brooklinen. Politics Guys listeners get $20 off AND free shipping when you use promo code tpg at http://www.brooklinen.com
Aug 19 2017
41 mins
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Rank #3: Ask The Politics Guys: What Do You Guys Read (and Watch)?

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This week’s Ask the Politics Guys question has come up a bunch of times from listeners. How do we keep up with political news, and what do we recommend for listeners trying to get a better big-picture understanding of American politics. (We’ll be posting links to all of the recommendations mentioned in this episode on … Continue reading "Ask The Politics Guys: What Do You Guys Read (and Watch)?"
Mar 16 2016
28 mins
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Rank #4: PG55: Clinton’s Email, Trump’s Energy Policy, Obama’s Asian Trip, The TSA

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This week’s episode starts with a discussion of the State Department Inspector General’s report on Hillary Clinton’s use of a personal email server while she was Secretary of State. Both Mike and Jay agree that Clinton screwed up, though they don’t quite see eye-to-eye on how big (or how criminal) that screw-up was. Next, they … Continue reading "PG55: Clinton’s Email, Trump’s Energy Policy, Obama’s Asian Trip, The TSA"
May 29 2016
48 mins
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Rank #5: Henry Petroski on The State of American Infrastructure

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Mike talks with Henry Petroski, a Professor of Civil Engineering and History at Duke University. Dr. Petroski is a prolific scholar and public intellectual - in addition to publishing nineteen books and hundreds of articles in newspapers, magazines, and trade publications, he’s authored over seventy-five academic journal articles. His many books include: The Pencil: A History of Design and Circumstance, The Evolution of Useful Things, The House with Sixteen Handmade Doors, and The Road Taken: The History and Future of America’s Infrastructure. In this episode, Mike and Dr. Petroski discuss learning from failure, how bad US infrastructure really is, why so many big projects seem take longer and cost more than projected, what a good infrastructure bill would look like, and lots more. Dr. Petroski's Recommendations: American Society of Civil Engineers Smart Brief | http://bit.ly/2iRsDSD US Department of Transportation | http://bit.ly/2iRRc1J American Infrastructure Weekly | http://bit.ly/2iRpfHu Trump Administration Infrastructure Initiative | http://bit.ly/2iPSbzA Dr. Petroski's Duke University Page | http://bit.ly/2iQf7i6 We hope you'll consider checking out the sponsors of today's show: Davinci. Book your meeting space at http://www.davincimeeting.com/TPG and the first hour is on them! SeatGeek. Politics Guys listeners get $20 dollars off their first SeatGeek purchase. Just download the SeatGeek app or go to https://www.seatgeek.com and enter promo code POLITICSGUY Listener support helps make The Politics Guys possible. If you’re interested in supporting the show, go to http://www.politicsguys.com and click on the Patreon link.
Sep 06 2017
45 mins
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Rank #6: PG42: Trump Up, Bush Out, Clinton Wins NV, The Post-Scalia Court, Apple vs. the Feds

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This week, The Politics Guys start by looking at Donald Trump’s (expected) big win in South Carolina, and Jeb Bush’s somewhat unexpected self-mercy-killing after a dismal showing. Next, they turn to the Democratic side, where Hillary Clinton beat out Bernie Sanders in Nevada’s caucus. The Guys look at the upcoming challenges for both sides – … Continue reading "PG42: Trump Up, Bush Out, Clinton Wins NV, The Post-Scalia Court, Apple vs. the Feds"
Feb 21 2016
40 mins
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Rank #7: Ask The Politics Guys: Disguised Socialism in the U.S.?

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This week’s Ask The Politics Guys question comes comes from Janet, in Silver City, NM. Dear Politics Guys, Are current social safety net programs a sort of disguised socialism? Are these programs consistent with capitalism?
Mar 02 2016
25 mins
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Rank #8: PG40: Iowa Review, NH Predictions, Drafting Women, Does Kasich want to ‘Tear Down The Wall’?

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This week’s Politics Guys starts off with reviews of Iowa picks from the last show. Jay and Mike more or less nailed it for their respective parties but they both missed on the other side, making for a very solid aggregate prediction. They pat themselves on the back a little and then talk about how … Continue reading "PG40: Iowa Review, NH Predictions, Drafting Women, Does Kasich want to ‘Tear Down The Wall’?"
Feb 07 2016
34 mins
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Rank #9: PG 121: Trump and the Democrats on Dreamers and Healthcare, Harvey Weinstein’s Worst Kept Secret, The Boy Scouts Make A Change & A Presidential Library Without Books

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Trey and Jay start this week’s show by discussing Trump’s unilateral action to change the Affordable Health Care Act’s cost-sharing provisions. They talk about the actual changes and the policy implications of the action. This leads to a discussion of the demands Trump sent Congress if they want a deal on Dreamers. After that it’s a look at Harvey Weinstein’s sexual abuse allegations and the implications for politics. They get into a broader discussion on the implications for politicians on the source of donations. Such a question is particular relevant for Democrats right now, but was the same issue facing Republicans with Trump. Next up is the Boy Scouts seemingly surprising decision to open their doors completely to girls. Jay is enthusiastically supportive. Trey sees the business value but ponders the general trend in society to not have more narrow groups. Finally Trey and Jay discuss how former President Obama’s library will not actually house any documents. Instead, it will be a completely digital repository. They also discuss archiving documents that were originally digital and the challenges for future presidential libraries. ‘ We hope you’ll check out the sponsors of today’s show: Brooklinen. Politics Guys listeners get $20 off AND free shipping by using promo code tpg at http://www.Brooklinen.com Bombfell, where Politics Guys listeners get $25 dollars off their first purchase by going to http://www.bombfell.com/tpg ZipRecruiter. Politics Guys listeners can post jobs on ZipRecruiter for FREE. Just go to http://www.ZipRecruiter.com/politicsguy
Oct 14 2017
55 mins
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Rank #10: Kavanaugh Accusations, Trump Intel Release, Trade War, SCOTUS & Anonymous Donations

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This week, Mike and Jay open the show with a look at the accusation of attempted rape leveled at Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh by Christine Blasey Ford. The Guys have a lot of differences of opinion on this issue, though they do agree on the importance of a process that is fair to both Professor Ford and Judge Kavanaugh.

Next is a discussion of President Trump’s call to release intelligence related to the Russia investigation. Jay advances that argument that President Trump is lying when he said he hasn’t read the documents and that the president is timing his order for maximum media impact and the greatest political benefit.

After that, the Guys talk about the latest in the ongoing trade war with China. Mike points out that the best possible outcome for the United States would be President Trump being right about his risky, unorthodox strategy. Jay adds that even if Trump is right regarding China, his trade strategy with our EU and Canadian allies still seems highly suspect.

Then Mike and Jay discuss an important federal court ruling on political contribution disclosure rules. Mike thinks the ruling is both an example of what happens when Congress delegates too much authority to regulators, as well as a win for transparency. Jay agrees on the delegation issue, but has his doubts about the wisdom of the ruling, as well as whether it will be affirmed on appeal.

Our listener mail question this week comes from Don, who asks if terms limits might make government more responsive and effective.

Help Mike decide the topic of his next book by taking this super-quick one question survey. (The survey is open until Friday, September 28.)

Listener support helps make The Politics Guys possible. If you’re interested in supporting the show, go to politicsguys.com/support.

Sep 22 2018
1 hour 14 mins
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Rank #11: Saadia Madsbjerg on Changing the Status Quo with Innovative Finance

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Mike talks with Saadia Madsbjerg, a Managing Director at the Rockefeller Foundation. Ms. Madsbjerg's work focuses on innovative finance solutions that change the status quo and raise private sector investment capital to further the Foundation’s goals of building greater resilience and promoting inclusive economies. In this episode, Mike and Ms. Madsbjerg discuss what the Rockefeller Foundation does, why government programs alone can't meet the economic needs of communities across the globe, the importance of private sector involvement in helping to build more resilient and inclusive economies, and the challenges of developing partnerships with the private sector. We hope you'll check out the sponsors of today's show: SeatGeek. Politics Guys listeners get $20 dollars off their first SeatGeek purchase. Just download the SeatGeekor go to https://www.seatgeek.com and enter promo code POLITICSGUY Casper. Politics Guys listeners get $50 dollars toward any mattress purchase by going to https://www.casper.com/tpg and using promo code tpg. Listener support helps make The Politics Guys possible. If you’re interested in supporting the show, go to http://www.politicsguys.com and click on the Patreon link.
Aug 23 2017
32 mins
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Rank #12: Overturned Courts, Market-Based Healthcare, Affirmative Action, Political Correctness, Politicizing Weather

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This week, Mike and Jay respond to lister questions and comments: if the Ninth Circuit is really the most overturned appellate court (it depends on how you measure), whether we think market-based reforms can lower health care costs (sometimes), if there's ever a case to be made for affirmative action and political correctness (Mike is much more emphatically 'yes' on this than Jay is, as you might expect), whether or not Mike and Jay are wrong for not calling Donald Trump and Jeff Sessions racist (we don't think so), and why 'politicization' is such a dirty word when it comes to weather (Mike says it's not - or at least it shouldn't be, while Jay disagrees). In this episode, Jay recommends SCOTUSBlog (http://bit.ly/2yxjHc2), which Mike also likes and has used for many years. Empirical SCOTUS (http://bit.ly/2yxrmau) is another great site Jay recommends for data on the Supreme Court. We hope you'll consider checking out the sponsors of today's show, who with your help make it possible for us to keep on doing what we do: Brooklinen. Politics Guys listeners get $20 off AND free shipping by using promo code 'tpg' at http://www.Brooklinen.com Bombfell, where Politics Guys listeners get $25 dollars off their first purchase by going to http://www.bombfell.com/tpg ZipRecruiter. Politics Guys listeners can post jobs on ZipRecruiter for FREE. Just go to http://www.ZipRecruiter.com/politicsguy Listener support helps make The Politics Guys possible. If you’re interested in supporting the show, go to http://www.politicsguys.com and click on the Patreon link.
Oct 11 2017
55 mins
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Rank #13: Kurt Andersen on Fantasyland: How America Went Haywire

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Mike talks with journalist and best-selling author Kurt Andersen about his most recent book, 'Fantasyland: How America Went Haywire: A 500-Year History'. Mike and Kurt discuss America's founding by 'a nutty religious cult', the long history of American pseudo-empiricism, the dynamic equilibrium between fantasists and realists that made American great, how the fantasists ended up in the driver's seat, ways in which the 1960s empowered the modern right, Donald Trump as a 21st century P.T. Barnum, and lots more. Kurt Andersen on Twitter Listener support helps make The Politics Guys possible. If you’re interested in supporting the show, go to politicsguys.com/support.

May 02 2018
57 mins
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Rank #14: PG48: Jobs!, Trump’s Bad Week, A Win For Unions

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This week, Mike and Jay start out by talking about some good news – the March jobs report, which continues a trend of good economic news. After that, they look at Bernie’s chances following some big caucus wins, Donald Trump’s very bad week, and how a divided Supreme Court gave a big(ish) win to public … Continue reading "PG48: Jobs!, Trump’s Bad Week, A Win For Unions"
Apr 03 2016
38 mins
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Rank #15: PG122: Healthcare, Budget Resolutions, Travel Ban 3.0, The Honest Ads Act

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This week, Mike and Jay start by looking at the bipartisan Senate proposal to stabilize Obamacare markets in the wake of President Trump halting cost-sharing subsidies to insurers, as well as the clever way state insurance regulators are dealing with this major change to the Affordable Care Act. After that, it's a primer on budget resolutions: when they started, what they were intended for, and why they're not almost meaningless ... with one major exception. Mike argues that legislating through budget resolutions is a Very Bad Idea, and says that it would be better if the Senate dropped this facade along with the filibuster. Jay agrees, and also feels that the Senate tradition of Blue Slips - where home state Senators have an effective veto over federal judicial nominations in the state - also no longer makes sense, a position Mike holds as well. Then it's a look at the latest Trump travel ban, which has been blocked by two federal judges. Both Mike and Jay believe that while the travel ban is bad policy, it's not unconstitutional and expect the Supreme Court to eventually uphold it. Finally, the Guys look at the 'Honest Ads Act' a bipartisan (just barely) Senate proposal intended to make it much harder for foreign governments to use social media ads to influence U.S. elections. Mike's Recommended Reading: - The Drug Industry’s Triumph Over The DEA | http://wapo.st/2xVeOd7 - American Rust. Philipp Meyer | http://amzn.to/2xXfrmw Jay's Recommended Reading: - The White-Minstrel Show. Kevin Williamson | http://bit.ly/2xWtZmc We hope you'll check out the sponsor of today's show: Blue Bottle Coffee. Sign up for a free trial of fresh, delicious Blue Bottle Coffee right now at http://www.bluebottlecoffee.com/TPG Listener support helps make The Politics Guys possible. If you’re interested in supporting the show, go to http://www.politicsguys.com and click on the Patreon link.
Oct 21 2017
52 mins
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Rank #16: PG75: How Trump Won, Putrid Polls, & The Future of the Parties

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Essentially all of the pre-election polls were wrong, and the Politics Guys start out by explaining why that was. Mike points out that the only people who got it close to right were political scientists, using election predictions based on fundamental conditions. (Mike also offers his apologies for ignoring his profession’s own models and getting … Continue reading "PG75: How Trump Won, Putrid Polls, & The Future of the Parties"
Nov 13 2016
55 mins
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Rank #17: G7 Meet, Masterpiece Cakeshop, Immigration, Trump's Pardons

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Mike and Jay open with a look at the G7 meeting in Quebec, Canada. They agree that President Trump's protectionism is bad policy, though Jay still thinks that the president might be using his tough talk as a negotiating tactic and may not impose long-term tariff barriers. Mike says that President Trump's call to readmit Russia to the group is a horrible idea because, unlike the G7 countries, Russia is not a real democracy.

Then it's a discussion of the Supreme Court's 7-2 ruling in the Masterpiece Cakeshop case. The Guys agree that this was a very narrow ruling (in scope, not vote split) and that the Court should have addressed the key free expression issue that was raised. Although Mike is a strong supporter of LGBTQ rights, he thinks the concurrence of Justices Gorsuch and Thomas, which argues that forcing the baker to create a cake for a same-sex wedding is a form of unconstitutional compelled speech, makes some strong points.

After that, it's immigration - first the move by House GOP moderates to force a vote on allowing Dreamers to stay in the country legally, and then a discussion of rising illegal border crossing arrests, the wisdom of the Trump administration's 'family separation' and 'zero tolerance' policies, and a big-picture look at what U.S. immigration policy should be.

Finally, Mike and Jay talk about President Trump's commutation of Alice Marie Johnson's sentence and his view that he can pardon himself, if he so chooses.

Listener support helps make The Politics Guys possible. If you’re interested in supporting the show, go to politicsguys.com/support.

Jun 09 2018
1 hour 1 min
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Rank #18: Chick-Fil-A, Trump’s Taxes, Democratic Fundraising, Podcast Politics

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Mike & Jay open the show with a discussion of recent controversies surrounding Chick-Fil-A. Mike believes that decisions to not allow the chicken chain into certain venues are based on the company’s support for anti-gay discrimination and its own internal anti-gay policies. Jay, on the other hand, sees this as an attack on religious belief.

Next is a look at the standoff between the Treasury Department and the House Ways and Means Committee concerning Donald Trump’s income taxes. Mike and Jay both think that the law requires Treasury to hand over the president’s returns and that eventually that will happen. Mike believes that this is important for policy reasons, as there may well be some significant conflicts of interest that could be identified through an examination of Trump’s returns. But politically both Guys see it as a potential loss for Democrats, no matter what the returns might contain.

After that, Mike and Jay review the first quarter Democratic presidential candidate fundraising totals. Mike was surprised at how far in front Bernie Sanders was, and also by the strong showing of Pete Buttigieg. Jay thinks that Elizabeth Warren’s weak showing is most likely a result of her decision to eschew big-donor fundraising events. Jay also points out that we shouldn’t make too much of these numbers, as in every presidential primary there are flashes in the pan who start strong but fade fast.

Finally, Mike talks about some findings from his research on ideology, bipartisanship, and demographic representation in the political podcast world.

Listener support helps make The Politics Guys possible. If you’re interested in supporting the show, go to patreon.com/politicsguys or politicsguys.com/support.

Apr 17 2019
33 mins
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Rank #19: Patrick Deneen on Why Liberalism Failed

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Mike talks to Patrick Deneen, a Professor of Political Science at the University of Notre Dame. In his book Why Liberalism Failed, Deneen argues not only that liberalism has failed (which you probably picked up from the title) but more importantly, he argues that it failed because it was based on a fundamentally unsound understanding of human beings.

In this talk, Mike and Professor Deneen discuss the individual autonomy, liberalism & capitalism, how liberalism’s success led to its failure, virtue ethics & Judeo-Christian values, education, Alexis de Tocqueville, Wendell Berry, and lots more.

Patrick Deneen on Twitter

Recommended Reading

Articles The World Is Better Than Ever. Why Are We Miserable? (Andrew Sullivan on Steven Pinker and Patrick Deneen)Can Democracy Save Us? (Ryszard Legutko's review of Why Liberalism Failed.)The Dead End of the Left? Augusto Del Noce’s Critique of Modern Politics.

BooksThe Revolt of the Elites and the Betrayal of Democracy. Christopher Lasch The True and Only Heaven: Progress and Its Critics. Christopher Lasch The Culture of Narcissism: American Life in an Age of Diminishing Expectations. Christopher LaschThe Demon in Democracy: Totalitarian Temptations in Free Societies. Ryszard Legutko The Crisis of Modernity. Augusto Del NoceThe Age of Secularization. Augusto Del NoceThe World-Ending Fire. Wendell BerryDemocracy in America. Alexis de Tocqueville 

Listener support helps make The Politics Guys possible. If you’re interested in supporting the show, go to politicsguys.com/support.

Jan 09 2019
47 mins
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Rank #20: PG84: Immigration Ban, NSC Reorg, Fake News, Border Walls, Jay’s Defenders

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Donald Trump has been busy issuing executive orders, with his move to ban immigration from a number of Muslim countries perhaps the most controversial. Mike and Jay look at this, as well as President Trump’s orders that froze government hiring, stopped foreign aid to groups providing abortion counseling, withdrew the US from the Trans Pacific … Continue reading "PG84: Immigration Ban, NSC Reorg, Fake News, Border Walls, Jay’s Defenders"
Jan 29 2017
52 mins
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