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Kevin Tumlinson, Bestselling and Award-Winning Thriller Author, talks to authors and entrepreneurs to get their behind-the-scenes story. Each week, you can tune in to a full hour of wisdom and insight from some of the most intriguing people on the planet. It's all about the story here.

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Kevin Tumlinson, Bestselling and Award-Winning Thriller Author, talks to authors and entrepreneurs to get their behind-the-scenes story. Each week, you can tune in to a full hour of wisdom and insight from some of the most intriguing people on the planet. It's all about the story here.

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Kevin does an amazing job at having on guests that highlight all aspects of writing, indie publishing, and being an author in the 21 century. He is always a joy to listen to and surely one of the best writing podcasts out there!

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I LOVE the Worldslinger Podcast. Not only does Kevin Tumlinson bare his heart and soul about the writing process, but he also provides very informative and useful content specific to writers and "will-be" writers. I really like the two-part format of an interview with a contemporary author, coupled with a followup segment where Kevin elaborates further on the subject and ties up any loose ends. Good to see Kevin getting the success he deserves.

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51 Ratings
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Very informative

By Andre Stedkin - Feb 26 2019
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Kevin does an amazing job at having on guests that highlight all aspects of writing, indie publishing, and being an author in the 21 century. He is always a joy to listen to and surely one of the best writing podcasts out there!

Fantastic Podcast

By James91710 - Feb 21 2019
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I LOVE the Worldslinger Podcast. Not only does Kevin Tumlinson bare his heart and soul about the writing process, but he also provides very informative and useful content specific to writers and "will-be" writers. I really like the two-part format of an interview with a contemporary author, coupled with a followup segment where Kevin elaborates further on the subject and ties up any loose ends. Good to see Kevin getting the success he deserves.

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Kevin Tumlinson, Bestselling and Award-Winning Thriller Author, talks to authors and entrepreneurs to get their behind-the-scenes story. Each week, you can tune in to a full hour of wisdom and insight from some of the most intriguing people on the planet. It's all about the story here.

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What does it take to write a book? The bare minimum comes down to "the tool that lets you write." In this episode, Kevin talks about some of his experiences with writing using only the resources he had on hand, including a few found items.

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Kevin Tumlinson:          00:00                Hey slingers, welcome back to another Wordslinger Wednesday. Uh, we're gonna jump right into a whole bunch of ideas that I've been kicking around about the basics of what you need to get started in this business. So stick around. We'll talk about that next.

Announcer:                   00:19                It's the word slinger podcast. Where's story matters? Build your brand, right, your book. Redefine who you are. It's all about this story here. What's yours? Now here's the guy who invented pants, optional. Kevin Tumlinson, The Wordslinger.

Singer:                          00:41                Wordslinger!

Kevin Tumlinson:          00:44                Well, I am Kevin Tumlinson, the Wordslinger. Thank you for tuning into another Wordslinger Wednesday. Uh, I guess that's what we're going to call this. It's the, it's a Wednesday episode of the Wordslinger podcast. And if you are tuning in and expecting to hear a guest interview, uh, I am very sorry, but, uh, that's not what we do here. At least not on Wednesdays, not on this particular style of episode. If you've been tuning in for the past couple of weeks, you've, you've probably discovered that I am a, I've been splitting up the episodes between interviews and a, this little word, uh, afterword word, wisdom, whatever you want to call it. Uh, so I've kind of been experimenting with the format a little is what we're, what we're saying here. So right now, um, I'm experimenting even further. Actually I'm a tinkering with a, this is, this is going to be an audio only podcast today.

Kevin Tumlinson:          01:42                So if you have become accustomed to being able to find this on Youtube, actually you're probably not listening at all right now because I'm not gonna, I'm not going to do a video. And there's a couple of reasons for that. One. Um, I got incredibly frustrated today as I recorded this episode once already and then everything fell apart and I was unable to a series of, uh, freakish instances. How are you Siri? That's hilarious. Uh, a series of really things like that just happened, technical glitches, goofy things that happened, uh, caused it to not just not work. And there just comes a point where I start to question what the value, I'm not seeing a lot of subscriptions on Youtube. It's just not for this, this format doesn't work on Youtube is what I've determined or maybe it does and I'm not doing it right.

Kevin Tumlinson:          02:44                Yeah, there could be all kinds of things, but I am, I've decided to sort of fall back on my strength. I'm may very well not do any video episodes. Um, going forward. The frank truth is I was just recording myself doing this show this way. Anyway, so there you have it. Um, so that, but that is not what today's Wordslinger Wednesday or Wednesday word is about taking what vote. Hey, tell me what you think I should call this. Um, this, this part, this type of episode I'm leaning towards, I'm leaning towards a couple of things, but I'd love to hear what you have to say. Pop on over towards, on your podcast.com hit the contact button or leave this in the show notes of this episode. [inaudible] and just tell me what you think. Um, I should call the shelf at a couple people chime in. Um, and, uh, Eh, yeah, I think, I think I got a general direction. So anyway, so this, this week, this Wednesday I wanted to talk to you about something that's, that's Kinda been, it's come up a couple times. I had a whole conversation with Roland in Zelle a few days ago, uh, that, that was sort of on it kind of went to this place. Um, but the, uh, and I'm sorry, I keep clearing my throat and ear. I'll try to hit the mute button like this.

Kevin Tumlinson:          04:07                That way you don't hear me cough in your ear. Um, anyway, I had this conversation and it's something I've been thinking about for awhile. I've been trying to kind of pull together a blog post on this topic. It's actually a little tougher than you might think to, uh, discuss this topic because I don't want to oversimplify it and I don't want to overcomplicate it. So I'm trying to find the medium, middle ground here, but the idea is what are, what is the absolute minimum you need to, uh, to have a author career? Um, now what I've decided for this episode at least is to focus just on the writing portion of this. So the minimum you would need to actually write and publish your book. Um, so none, there's none. There is no component for marketing in this. There's no advice on, um, you know, uh, anything other than anything beyond sort of the mechanics of actually writing.

Kevin Tumlinson:          05:05                And so, uh, that's going to simplify this just a little and then a, in a future episode, if you are particularly if you're interested in this, um, I'll expand on this topic, but so to tell you, uh, to kind of get you into the right head space here, uh, the conversation I had with, uh, Roland involved, um, this idea of authors sort of constantly being on the lookout for a, a, an all in one solution for everything that they need. So they want something that, that helps them, uh, you know, map out the book, plot the book, uh, build the characters, build the settings, uh, you know, write the scenes, tag the scenes, uh, organize everything into chapters. Uh, do all the editing, fine, all the grammar. And the other issues as, yeah. And then, you know, reorganize the book, spin it out as a, um, uh, well an ebook in whatever format they want, uh, and or published that Ebook to all the various storefronts.

Kevin Tumlinson:          06:09                And you know, the reality is that that's becoming much closer to a reality. It's becoming more real a that something like that could exist. Uh, specifically we were talking about an APP that is making the rounds, but uh, this, all of that stuff could apply to scrivener, which is my writing tool of choice. But what, what kind of came out of this was some, some thinking about, you know, isn't necessarily the best plan in the world to have an all in one tool. I mean, it can be, it depends on the tool. Um, but let's just talk about Scrivener for a second. I love Scrivener and Scrivener was the, the sort of break-over tool for me because for one, I'd spent most of my career writing a copy for clients and an employee in employers and for myself, uh, in Microsoft word. So the word is the, it's the tool of choice for no matter what industry you're in, if you're going to create written words on a page, Microsoft word is going to come into play at some point in that process.

Kevin Tumlinson:          07:20                Uh, you can't work in any professional industry in this, on this planet without word, uh, factoring in somewhere. So word was, uh, my first choice when it came to, you know, writing my books. Now I had written books and I had written other than lots of things in a tools outside of Word, uh, especially in the years before Word existed. And yeah, that I am that old. Um, but eh, you know, word became the tool of choice. And so I, you know, that's what I fell back on. So for me, um, Scrivener represented a way to write in a new fun environment if you'll permit that. Um, that wasn't word. So what was happening for me was I was spending, you know, eight, 10, 12 hours a day writing copy in Microsoft word and then a stop and buy a coffee shop on my way home from an office or something.

Kevin Tumlinson:          08:18                And putting another couple of hours in, in Microsoft Word, and it just felt like more work. It took the soul out of me. Uh, I didn't feel creative anymore. I felt, you know, drained of energy. I felt like here I am slugging away one, you know, two more hours out of my day, four more hours out of my day spent in this wretched software. You know, and I actually like word quite a bit. It's the most powerful writing software to my knowledge. I mean, I, I've used practically everything and this is the word is really robust, uh, sometimes too much. So, um, but Scrivener represented to a whole new way of thinking about my writing. It was nonlinear. It allowed me to, uh, uh, write in scenes and within chapters, just like files within a folder, reorganize all that stuff. Funny to this scene would be work better in chapter three than it does in chapter 10.

Kevin Tumlinson:          09:10                Uh, this chapter would make a better chapter seven, then chapter three, a. So I'm able to reorganize on the fly if I want or, uh, after the book is done, I can retool it and restructure it and uh, that's great. I also liked the cork board. That was probably the first thing that attracted me to Scrivener was the stupid cork board, which I don't even use now. But I had a, I had come in after an era of, uh, doing a whole lot of, uh, screenwriting for documentary mostly and uh, to keep all the stuff organized. I used an actual cork board with, um, through three by five note cards. So being able to do that virtually was comfortable. So that was one of the first things that attracted me to scrivener. Uh, also it has a story and that it was created by an author.

Kevin Tumlinson:          10:09                That's always a hook for me. I'm going to get into that in a future episode. But, um, anyway, so Scrivener was a tool that, that was comfortable and fun for you use. Now here's the deal. Scrivener for the longest time, uh, was only available, I believe it was only available on a Mac. And so, but then it became available on PC, uh, but it wasn't as good for a long time. I think now they've solved a lot of these problems and then eventually it wasn't available on Ios where I really wanted it. So there were times where even Scrivener was kind of frustrating to me and I branched out and tried other things, tried Ulysses, which I really did like. Uh, and then they went to a paid model and I didn't like that. Uh, among other things, there was also a couple of other factors in me switching away from Ulysses.

Kevin Tumlinson:          10:56                Um, but there's, you know, there's been a lot of those little apps, so I've been thinking about this for awhile now. What is the, um, ultimately, you know, what does it come down to when you are, uh, when you're looking at the, uh, what it takes to do this work? Does it take a scrivener? Does it take a Microsoft word? You know, these are, these are software platforms that are actually quite expensive. Um, so you don't necessarily want to drop a bunch of cash to get into this when you don't know if you're going to succeed. Um, and you know, granted, most people can afford some something, you know, they can't afford one of these apps. Scrivener's like 40 bucks. So, um, I say that so cavalier, but not everybody has 40 bucks through it. Something like this. So bare minimum though, let's just face facts.

Kevin Tumlinson:          11:52                There is that old method of sitting down with a pad and Pencil and scribbling out your book in Longhand. I still know authors who do this, you know, I know plenty of authors who do it. Uh, it's sort of almost shocking to me that there are that many people who write their books long hand and my hand cramps up just thinking about it, but there, but there is some appeal in that for me. I've written longhand short stories, articles, all kinds of things. I carry around a mole skin notebook pretty frequently. I've got lots and lots of journals all around me. Uh, so there's been plenty of writing that way in my life. Um, and that is one way to go. And in fact I have a story. So, um, a couple of years ago I was just sort of thinking, pondering the nature of being a writer and the accessibility of it.

Kevin Tumlinson:          12:46                Um, and I decided I would, I would do a little experiment. I like to keep my eyes open. I like to keep my eyes open for resources. I'm, I'm a very resource oriented guy. Okay. So I thought, well I'm a resource wearing a guy. I'm always looking for like where was the last time I saw a coat hanger or a screwdriver or something in case I've locked myself out of a car or you know, I need to fix something or whatever. And I keep that stuff in my head, a sort of a little, a buffer of that stuff. So I thought, well, I'm going to start looking for the materials. I would need to have a writing career. Just, just, I just spent like a couple of days doing this. Like I'm just going wherever I go, I'm to look around and say, okay, I could use that. I could use that.

Kevin Tumlinson:          13:30                I do this as a matter of course anyway. Um, I'm always kind of keeping my eyes open in case there's a, you know, in case I need a, that, that rock or that brick or that, uh, you know, uh, whatever. And this is how I find a lot of money by the way. So keeping my eyes open for things that would help me. Right. I took one of my regular morning walks, I'm going, I'm heading for I a doughnut shop actually, where I tend to sit and do a little bit of reading and writing. Uh, not anymore. I don't live anywhere near this place. Um, and oddly enough, I don't think I ever bought a donut from this place, but while walking through another parking lot to get there, I spotted someone had dropped a ballpoint pen like that, the writing and implement, I will pick that up.

Kevin Tumlinson:          14:22                And uh, I went ahead and pick that up and then I get to the, uh, the donut shop in order my coffee and they'd give me a receipt. And they, for some reason they gave me this super long receipt, not a lot on it. And it was, uh, the backside of it was entirely blank. So, uh, I'm thought, well, there are some paper, I have a pin, I'm going to write something. So I, I spent a few minutes writing out, uh, basically something that became the front end of a blog post. Um, and uh, you know, I handled, I had a good time with this. I mean, I, this is a kind of fun exercise, right? Yeah. I thought, well, okay, so that's handwritten. Now how would I get that to a digital world now I had my phone with me, so of course I could sit there and type it in, you know, bit by bit on my phone.

Kevin Tumlinson:          15:10                I thought, you know, that's kind of cheating. I brought that with me. Uh, if I didn't have that with me, how would I do this? Now that the answer there is, it wasn't an immediate thing with my phone. I could immediately publish. I can instantly publish. I got another story about that coming up. But without the phone. I had to think of some other way, you know, if I were, if I were just completely broke and they only means I had was this, you know, this pan I found on the ground and any scrap of paper I could pick up, how would I go about turning that into a writing business? Um, and the answer for me, uh, on this particular trip was, um, once the sun was up, once the world was active and moving, I, uh, walked to a local library was very close to where I was once I was in the library.

Kevin Tumlinson:          16:05                Uh, they had several computers that I could sit at for free. And, uh, once you're sitting in a computer to get all kinds of options, now I wanted to publish this, right? So I, I used, um, uh, Google docs, you know, which is a free office, Microsoft office level tool. And I typed up what I'd written in and I kind of finished it and you know, and then I did the copy and paste and I could have easily done used anything else. I was, since I was blogging this, I could've just written in the blog platform, there are a million free blog platforms. Um, so that may not, like I went from finding a penalty ground and using a receipt to sitting down in front of your computer and publishing what I'd written and it didn't cost me anything more than the cup of coffee I'd paid for.

Kevin Tumlinson:          16:55                And I could easily have skipped that and just written this on, uh, any scrap of paper and I didn't even need the pen or the paper really could have just gotten to the library and sat down and started writing. So, um, now that's a blog post, but the same thing applies. Google docs, for example, will let you spit out that, uh, your work as a word document or an RTF file. Guess who uses that? You can actually upload that to, um, draft to digital, convert your manuscript that you've created into a, in a pub and a Mobi file, a distributed worldwide right from there. Um, and, uh, start making some money on this thing that you, you know, wrote wall front of abusing opinion out in the parking lot, or skip the pen and then just go straight in and write your, uh, your and Google docs.

Kevin Tumlinson:          17:50                Um, uh, fast forward now. I went to a conference in Orlando. You've heard this story before if you've listened to the show for awhile, but I was in a conference in Orlando and had some time between conferences. I had multiple conferences going on and a couple of days and decided I would go do Disney world. Actually, I basically had one day, like one day and decided I'm going to go to Disney world today. So I went to Disney world, had a great time, didn't want to take care of a bunch of crap with me. So I had my phone and that was it. Um, so I am, uh, standing in line for the flight of passage ride, which is the, if you go to animal kingdom, they have a whole avatar world. For some reason Disney owns avatar. Now for some reason, despite this movie being, you know, forever old and only one movie and wasn't even all that great, they have an entire section of a park in Disney world dedicated to it.

Kevin Tumlinson:          18:53                And I have to admit the park itself is much cooler than the movie. Um, so I'm waiting for this ride. It's a three hour wait. So I took my phone out and I had recently had a conversation with Michael LaRonn. Now you can benefit from that conversation cause uh, I did an interview with him on this topic later. Um, and he told me, and you could find that go towards in your podcast at comp type Michael LaRonn, L. A. R. O. N. N. Um, he told me that he'd started writing all of his books using his iPhone and typing using his thumbs on the screen. And that blew my freaking mind. So I wanted to play with this. So I started doing a lot of stuff on my phone. I started writing blog posts, I started writing copy, um, marketing copy for draft to digital. And I decided, well, what if I applied this to fiction?

Kevin Tumlinson:          19:50                So I started while whiteness line, I wrote a little short story using nothing but the iPhone and my thumbs right went much faster than than you would think. It actually went very well. Um, but from that phone I was able to, uh, you know, I wrote it in Scrivener, I was able to output that as a word document, uh, to a Dropbox. I was able to upload that word document too. Um, drafted digital and from draft to digital I could convert it to all the a ebook formats and a I went on a Canva and use their little free ebook cover thing and made a cover for it, uh, complete with an original image and everything. And then I wrote the description and I wrote all the metadata stuff and uh, you know, chose the title and ha got it all pulled together and I got all the way to the point where I could've pushed publish and stop there because I wanted to go back and edit, maybe expand, do some other things with this story.

Kevin Tumlinson:          20:49                So the point there was in that three hours, three hour window of standing in line, because I was by myself, I didn't have anybody to talk to. Everybody had their loved ones and family with them. Everybody's laughing and having a good time and I'm feeling a little lonely. So I write a short story and made me feel much better. And uh, and by the time it was all done, I could have pressed, pressed publish on that and put it out into the world where it could have started making me some money. And so I would have turned that, that waiting time into writing time, uh, all that took was a smart phone. So I love that idea because years ago I used to write using a palm pilot and if you don't, if you're not old enough to remember these, the personal digital assistants, PDAs, they were the precursor of the iPhone.

Kevin Tumlinson:          21:43                Most of you, I think it probably lived through that era. But, uh, I had a palm five, which was a fairly fancy palm pilot and I had a little keyboard for it. I even at one point had a little digital, a laser generated keyboard, laser projected keyboard. It would project the keys onto a table top surface and I could type that way. Uh, that didn't work, all that great. So I didn't use it much, but I did have a little, a little thing that the, that the PDA snapped into the palm pilot snapped into then how to keyboard. It was a great keyboard. I really wished I could get one like it for my iPhone. Um, cause it all folded up is perfect. But man, I, I mean I love the idea of a folding keyboard. I've got like a dozen of them and I still can't find one.

Kevin Tumlinson:          22:32                That's that I really love. Uh, but I was able to, uh, you know, wherever I was, I, this was, I had laptops but they weren't very battery efficient. Uh, and, and this was small and portable and I carried it in my pocket. So wherever I was, I could stop and do some, some writing. And I wrote lots of articles, blog and I, this was pre blog. No one knew what a blog was, but I was, I was basically, you know, writing a blog, um, uh, sort of web journal and, um, you know, I did a lot of short stories, things like that. And it was all mobile. Well that, that thing is just like there's a little monochromatic screen and doesn't even have Internet access. It's just, it was just an organizer basically. But it gave me this tool and that shaped a lot of how I do my work now.

Kevin Tumlinson:          23:21                Um, but the idea is to look around, uh, the, the bare minimum that you need for this as a, as a pad and pencil. You need to be able to get this stuff online these days. Uh, but even that is kind of, you know, it's kind of Iffy, like you don't necessarily have to publish online. Um, there are ways to go about this where you never touched the internet at all, but I, uh, I don't know why are you the efficiency of that? But the real point here is you can create a career from almost literally nothing. It just takes, you know, looking around and figuring out how do I get my words on the page. Um, now we've talked about writing, Eh, uh, as in sitting down with a pad and pencil or sitting down with the keyboard. Um, but it's equally as effective to go ahead and just dictate what your writing.

Kevin Tumlinson:          24:21                Um, I read Kevin j Anderson's book, I think it was like the millionaire writer or something. Hold on just a second. I'm to take a little sip of water. Hold on. Mm hmm. That is lubricating. Um, he wrote a Kevin J. Anderson, he was talking about one of his favorite things to do, which is to, um, to go hiking on the trails near his home in Colorado. And while he's doing that, he carries a little voice recorder with him. He dictates his books as he goes. Now. That's fantastic. I've never really gotten into that, but I could see how it would work. And I was talking to actually Roland Denzel about that very idea. He likes to use dragon. Um, and he has a PC and a, you know, I never got into the whole dragon thing. Uh, you know, I kind of played with it when they first introduced it years ago and I played with, I played with a few times since.

Kevin Tumlinson:          25:20                Uh, I just don't feel all that comfortable, especially sitting in front of my computer. I'm dictating. It just doesn't work as well for me. It's not the same vibe from me. However, I could see how I'm doing it on the go, walking and talking. Uh, I think that might work well for me now to do that. You could use a voice recorder or you could use your mobile phone. Um, now if you're using a text to our speech to text software, things can get a little tricky. Um, but uh, but there are ways to make that work. Uh, but you know, I, I like, um, I don't use this yet for narrating a book, but I've used a service called Timmy, which is spelled t e m i.com. It is a service that will, it uses the same sort of software basically that will translate your, your words into text automatically and a cost you about six, $6 an hour, about 10 cents a minute actually.

Kevin Tumlinson:          26:23                So, um, I've played around with it a little. I was going to use it for our transcriptions for the show. Uh, it's not perfect, especially when you've got more than one voice recorded, so you have to, you will have to do some editing. But, uh, if you don't, if you have a Mac and therefore can't get the dragon software, uh, or if you don't like, you know, dealing with that, that sort of thing, uh, this is another option so you can, so you don't even have to be able to type or write, you know, physically right to write a book. You can just narrate it. Now, one of the advantages then is if you do it right, um, you could even have your audio book, uh, sort of prerecorded. I don't see how you could do that really, uh, fresh without editing, but, uh, you know, stranger things have happened.

Kevin Tumlinson:          27:13                Um, but it does give you kind of used to the idea of reading your work out loud and if you're going to do that, you, you very well could record your own audio books. You could get really good at this stuff. So the point there is a, there are no real limitations here. Um, and if there are limitations, you know, they're usually extenuating circumstances and you can, you, you can find a way to work around those. Uh, what it takes is looking around seeing what resources you have and putting those resources to work. I've had people tell me I could never ride on my cell phone, even with a keyboard. Know I love my Bluetooth keyboard with my phone. I love to write that way. Um, cause it's hyper portable, you know, I mean I can be anywhere. Um, but I've had people tell me I could never ride on the phone and the screen's too small.

Kevin Tumlinson:          28:04                I'm blown away by that very statement. Given that I used to have a word processor that a little strip of monochromatic LCD screen and that I basically could see about half a sentence at a time. And I wrote entire books on that word processor. So to tell me that they phoned screen is too small. Um, you know, I think it's just a matter of adjusting, Eh, the point is there is a way, and you might have to compromise a little on what you think it means to be a writer, but you can get this done. So the bare minimum, the bare minimum to right is a, to find a tool that works for you in that means it works for you, physically, works for you in terms of your budget works for you in terms of productivity. Uh, but it's out there. You do not have to spend a lot of money on software of any kind apps of any kind equipment of any kind.

Kevin Tumlinson:          29:03                You know, there are some people who buy a Mac so that they can use scrivener and vellum, you know, um, Scrivener's available in pcs, like I said, but you know, vellum isn't, um, you know, you the, I applaud you, um, if you've got the budget to do that, do it. I do. So I do. Um, but maybe you don't, uh, I went to the flea market this past weekend and I saw hundreds of small laptops and the, and large laptops that people were selling for like less than 25 bucks. Some were selling for more. Uh, but a lot of, a lot of these were working laptops that people were, sounded like $25, not the latest and greatest. Of course you might have to reformat them. You know, I, there will be some blemishes on them, you know, uh, it, so you can, you can do this. I mean, am I first laptop came from the flea market.

Kevin Tumlinson:          29:58                I paid $20 for it. It was a monochromatic green screen, Tandy laptop, clamshell laptop. This is the first laptop I owned, you know, so, um, the point there is there are more resources out there and then you're probably aware of or that you're thinking about. And it doesn't take that much to actually do this. So, uh, and I ran you through a whole process of getting that, you know, book onto, um, you know, into distribution using drafted digital. I'm biased towards draft to digital, but, uh, you know, there are a lot of other ways to do this too. So that's it. That's the basics. That's all it takes. And I know you can do it. Uh, cause I've seen, you know, a few thousand of you do it. You're not, if you are still struggling to write your first book, um, then you know, I just want you to know there are no real barriers and if you are already writing, um, and you're thinking about, you know, you maybe you feel a little inadequate.

Kevin Tumlinson:          30:57                I don't have a Mac. Maybe they should do virtual Mac pay, pay a monthly fee so I can use vellum. Uh, you know, maybe I should, uh, save up and buy a new Mac book pro or whatever. Um, it's fine if you do that, but it's not necessary. And that's the point I'm trying to make. So, uh, I'm at time, a little over an hour, so I'm going to go ahead and wrap this up. Uh, if you have questions about this or anything else, please hop on over to words on your podcast.com. Let me know what you're thinking. Ah, let me know you think of this and this format and everything else that's going on. Make sure you subscribe to the show on Itunes, stitcher, Google, play. Uh, Spotify. I'm everywhere now. Um, even on youtube though. Heck man, I may not, I may not do the show this way on youtube anymore. Let me know what you think about that too. So

Kevin Tumlinson:          31:52                anyway, I am happy we had this time chat. God bless each and every one of you. Make sure you subscribe and I'll see you all though. This Friday. See you Friday with a whole new episodes talking to GP James. You're not going to want to miss that. So I'll see you then.

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 Kevin Tumlinson:          00:01                Hey slingers, welcome back to another week of the Wordslinger Podcast. Today we're going to be talking about bootstrapping your writing career. So stick around and hear what I have had to say next,

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Kevin Tumlinson:          00:59                I don't know. We'll come up with something. I'm gonna, I'm probably going to be working on that for awhile. The whole name of the, uh, the episodes till I get the right thing, it's gotta be the right thing. Um, so anyway, on today's Solo slinger, we are a, we're going to be talking about bootstrapping your writing cruise. A favorite topic of mine really, because bootstrapping is a kind of at the core of everything I love about entrepreneurship, about startups, about, you know, all the, all these, uh, all these, uh, enterprises out there that started with basically nothing and built, built their way up. I highly recommend. By the way, just as a side note, there is a podcast, but on my MBA, NPR, a guy, Roz is the host, it's called how I built that. And it is a fantastic, it's, it's in some ways it's similar to this show.

Kevin Tumlinson:          01:52                Uh, the interview, um, episodes of this show. It's a lot more highly polished then, uh, the words on your podcast, but he talks to the people behind the brands that you know in love. So He's talked to folks who founded companies like I'm listening to the one about Zappos, the shoe retailer online. Uh, he did, uh, an interview with the guy who started honest tea. Um, and a whole bunch of others. I mean, just some really fascinating stories. I'm going through them one by one, even the ones that I, that normally wouldn't appeal to me. I listened to the interview with the, the woman who started dry bar, which is about the blow drying places that actually helped a women, uh, style their hair or you buy blow drying. Um, so listening to these things, it's been incredible to me how much I'm able to learn from these like case studies of startups in most of these people started with absolutely nothing.

Kevin Tumlinson:          02:50                Uh, if you've listened to words on your podcast for a while, I am a, I kind of have a similar approach. I don't just interview authors, interview really anybody, uh, would the idea of we can learn from all these different entrepreneurs and industries. It's, it's, there's, there are resources out there that we may not know about, uh, but that may be useful to us as indie authors. So, um, that is, that's kind of what this episode is about. The, well, it's sort of what it's about. So the idea of bootstrapping is, um, you build your business from the ground up using just the resources. You have a, you, you do it yourself. You're, you're this plucky entrepreneur who basically goes out and, you know, figures out what they need to know, what they need to have and you achieved that. Um, that has always appealed to me.

Kevin Tumlinson:          03:43                It's very, it's very individual approach, individualized approach to a building. Any sort of business I think is authors though. It's just, it just fit. It's just oddly appropriate for authors to, uh, to think about how they can bootstrap their careers. Um, now I did this and I gotta tell you, I, I don't think I still operate. Like I'm bootstrapping my career even though now these days I make, I make plenty of money, I make really good money doing this. Um, I still operate as if I don't have any money, is if everything is dependent on me. Um, and I think that works to my advantage now where I bootstrap, uh, I kinda came in so early on. Let me just walk you through, uh, Kevin Tomlinson's writing career. So I mean I'd been writing my whole life writing is actually kind of the easy part for me.

Kevin Tumlinson:          04:38                Um, that's the thing that I never really had that much trouble with. I didn't have some trouble early on with, um, writing long format stuff. I had to develop a bit of a discipline around that so that I could write full length books. But you know, the actual writing was never, um, was never all that much of a burden for me. Um, it just, you know, I, I learned a few skills early on and I applied those skills and learn a few more skills, applied those skills and just kept going. So, so, uh, we're bootstrapping came in for me was when I decided I wanted to start publishing fulltime or well, I wanted to start publishing long format stuff. I pulled together enough discipline, we'll say to write that first book. Uh, well let's, let's skip ahead. Because I had a traditional contract and that didn't work out so hot.

Kevin Tumlinson:          05:32                I didn't like the deal is going to cost me money out of pocket that I didn't really didn't have. Um, so, uh, I ditched that and I eventually, I fast forward a little bit to 2008. I D publish. Okay. So we're going to talk about indie publishing as a career and uh, and how I bootstrapped my own indie publishing career that sets this, that sets the stage. Okay. Uh, so two, eight, I write another book and, um, let's start looking around to find out what it's going to take them to publish this thing. I had encountered early versions of CreateSpace and KDP, whatever they were called at the time. They were called something different. I didn't care. I been, I had encountered those. I started hearing stories about folks like Amanda hocking and, uh, you know, people who were making a lot of money, uh, publishing as indie publishers.

Kevin Tumlinson:          06:26                Um, so I knew I knew some of what I needed. I knew that I needed, um, a cover designer. I knew that I needed someone to do my layout. I knew that I needed someone to build a website. Uh, you know, there were all these elements to the career. Now before this, I had done a lot of web design, um, even had a small business doing web design. Uh, so I had that as a skillset and as a part of that, I had gotten into graphic design. So I had that. I had photography skills and video skills. So, uh, right away I was able to utilize some of my existing skillset to, uh, to get started. Uh, so let's just focus on the website for a second. I built a website. I, um, you know, for awhile it was hosting, I was paying for a server and then a whole bunch of other stuff and I was hosting everything myself.

Kevin Tumlinson:          07:18                Uh, I don't do that now. I use Squarespace. Now. I'm not an affiliate Squarespace. Maybe I should be, but I like Squarespace. I like how secure it is. And I like how simple the interface is, how easy it is to build a stunning website. And if you go to Kevin [inaudible] dot com or words slinger, podcast.com, you'll get to see one of the websites I've built on that platform. So that'll give you kind of an idea of what you can do there. Um, so I built a site, I created graphics for it. I created copy for it. Things that I do thinks they were part of my career. So I'm using my skills, um, I needed to cover. So I went and I looked at other covers that were in the same genre. This is something I tell, I tell authors to do this. Even if you're aren't going to build your own covers, go, go into bookstores, go on to Amazon, find covers that are, that are, uh, for books in the same genre as what you write and uh, try to get your cover to look like those.

Kevin Tumlinson:          08:20                You don't have to mimic that design exactly, but you should spend some time making sure your book fits in on the shelf beside those books that it resembles those books enough that, uh, someone looking at them might say, okay, this is a professionally printed book. I'm going to buy it. Um, so I did all of that. I did the research, I had designed to cover, used my skills. Now I had to learn a few new skills because of this, you know, which is now, now we're getting into the real meat of, uh, this idea of bootstrapping. Um, it's not just about using the resources you have. It's about being willing to go out and find and cultivate new resources and new skills. So that you can fill in any gaps that you have. A, that includes meeting people who might be able to help you out, um, night if you don't have design skills, uh, web design or graphic design.

Kevin Tumlinson:          09:17                And if you're not a good copywriter, a don't fret, there are services out there, but what we're talking about right now is how to basically do this for free, um, or with the cost of time. So I would recommend that, uh, you know, once you've kind of done your research, let's just start with the cover. Once you've done your research, I found out what kind of cover you need, what it needs to look like. Um, and if you can't afford to hire a designer, then I would start looking around for ways to build that cover a yourself. Now I've talked about Canva in the past. A Canva has a, uh, uh, design, a cover design template that you can use for free. I do recommend that, uh, it gives you a lot of control. You can, you can, uh, choose from a photo library that they have on the site.

Kevin Tumlinson:          10:06                They've got some free photos. You can use stock photos, uh, you know, that keeps you from having to fall back on things like Microsoft paint, which I think paints around anymore. But they know using like a cheesy graphic editing suite of some kind or drawing program probably is not going to be the best bet for you. It's also not a good bet to just take a photo of a, of something on your, on your camera phone and just use that raw as your cover photo. Um, you're gonna want to, you're going to want a little more professionalism will say you're going to a little more finesse. Uh, I say that because just recently I was looking over someones covers. They literally took a picture. They took a picture of their front yard. There's like this White Pole, uh, in their front yard with this crappy looking light, just sort of dangling off of it, like it's been damaged in high wind or something.

Kevin Tumlinson:          11:05                Uh, their grass hadn't been moan in awhile. Apparently. Uh, the house looked pretty bad in pretty bad shape. So you know, now that maybe that's perfectly fine for whatever it is you're trying to do with this guy was writing a fantasy story. So, uh, it just didn't fit, I don't even know what he was going for there, I guess because there were trees don't know. I don't know, which makes me wonder if there's this sort of blind spot when it comes to this sort of thing. And I think to sort of compensate for that blind spot, you might want to consider bringing some folks in to, uh, to critique your work, you know? Um, so okay, you can, you can pick stock photos and, and you have techs treatments and things in Canva. There are other applications out there that let you do this as well.

Kevin Tumlinson:          11:59                If you happen to have access to Photoshop, that's great. If not, there are free graphics editing suites out there like gimp and gimp shop, g I m p Shop, uh, is one. It's very similar to Photoshop and the way it operates. Uh, there are tutorials online for all of these things. And so that brings me to another aspect of this. If there is a skill you need and you can't afford to pay someone else to do it, it's just down to you or nothing. Um, that is a perfect time to hop on youtube and a and start looking for tutorials on how to do certain things. Um, maybe you won't find a tutorial for how to build a book cover in gimp shop. You might not find that, but search for it anyway. A book cover design search for you know, base, you know, basic tutorials on how you use gimp or Photoshop or Canva or whatever.

Kevin Tumlinson:          12:51                Uh, they're out there. And so the, the idea here is that you are reaching out, learning a new skill, reaching young, adding something to your repertoire of resources that will allow you to, uh, to step up your game later, if that makes sense. Um, so there is that, there is a, the, so that's the cover design aspect of this. Uh, I'm going to say, by the way, and May, and I'll try to remember to get to the news story about this, uh, later. But, uh, you might consider focusing at first on ebooks because first of all, there's very little overhead involved with ebooks. Uh, you know, aside from things like cover, design, layout, all that, which, you know, we're, we're gonna talk about how you can, uh, do that stuff for free. But, uh, you know, the, right now there's a, there's a paper shortage, which I'll talk about a little later, but print is expensive in that there is overhead.

Kevin Tumlinson:          13:54                Uh, in order to get a proof copy, you have to pay, you know, a certain amount, like three or four bucks. Usually. Some people don't, don't have that kind of cash. I mean, honestly, some people don't have just random cash to throw at things like that, you know, to pay for it. Cause it's not going to be like three bucks. It's going to be like three bucks plus $15 in shipping, you know, or whatever. Um, if you can't afford that, it's completely fine with an ebook. You don't have those costs. Um, so I would say if you're in the position where you really just legitimately don't have the resources to uh, to spend on anything, uh, focus first on ebooks. Uh, you know, the writing part of this is a discipline, something you're going to have to come back to your everyday. We talked, I think last episode about the idea of, you know, writing anywhere with whatever resources you have available.

Kevin Tumlinson:          14:46                Um, you can write with pen and paper and that sort of thing. Libraries will give you access to computers. So you know, you really don't have any limitations here. You can find a way to write your book. Uh, and if you find a way to write your book you're going to have a way to publish it. And using a tool like drafted digital makes that a lot easier cause you can do your, your conversion, your ebook conversion, print layout, uh, all that stuff for free. Uh, so if you've used the free cover designer on Canva and use the free Ebook, lay out and print layout on draft to digital and then you use the free distribution on draft to digital. I mean your investment is really just been time. And that's, that's a big key component, uh, to bootstrapping. Um, so those are, those are some major things for the actual book, for the actual generation of the book.

Kevin Tumlinson:          15:40                And we've talked about that kind of thing before. So this is almost more of a review of that. Uh, but now we want to talk a little bit more about once you've, uh, once you've written the book, once you've managed to design a cover, uh, I didn't quite throw in web design specifically, but you know, there are a lot of free tools out there for web design, wordpress blog spot. Uh, you know, half a dozen of them. So if you can't afford to pay for a website, there are plenty of free web options out there. Uh, I think wix may have a free option. So look into those. Uh, but you might also look into drafted. Digital's a books to read platform, which has, um, like our author pages, um, book tabs, reading lists, you know, these are, you know, this is a way for you to have a web presence without having to pay a dime for it.

Kevin Tumlinson:          16:34                Um, I'd advice is going to come at you from all over the place about, you know, whether or not you should own your content, which you should. Uh, but we don't, we don't claim your rights over anything you put up there, so you're, you're free to do, use our stuff anyway you want. It didn't cost you any money and you might consider using a platform like blogspot or, uh, a wordpress to build a blog and another side, uh, you might also consider making sure you have a presence on medium, which has a lot of, um, there are a lot of people who visit that site and read content on it as I can share content on that site. So if you're putting your content there, it can help with your discoverability. So these are some ways for you to have a web presence. And, uh, I think, I think right now, where are our total, uh, money output for our overhead is a zero, right?

Kevin Tumlinson:          17:29                It's zero to some undefined number. You can put throw as much money as you want this. Um, but I love getting as close to zero as possible. So, uh, so okay, so far we've discussed, um, writing the book doesn't cost you anything. You can do that, you know, by hand, you can do it in a library. Uh, so you don't even have to have the investment of equipment if you happen to have an iPhone or an iPad or a small laptop or desktop computer, you know, and that you're covered, you can write on those things and publish from those things. But the library will, will allow you to, uh, publish from there, you know, from their computers. You can do it from there. Um, Dropbox is a free, you can have a free account on Dropbox, so you can store your book in Dropbox or Google drive is also free.

Kevin Tumlinson:          18:16                A Google drive has a, you know, it's attached to the Google docs and the, the whole Google office suite. And that's all free software. So love free. Um, okay. So now let's talk a bit, a little bit more our, let's get into a different aspect of a bootstrapping your career and that's going to be, um, we're going to talk a little bit about marketing and a little bit about how to run your, the business aspect of your writing career. Um, let's talk about business a little. So, uh, you wanna, you know, you're going to be making money hopefully from the sale, the sale of books. So you're going to want to track this stuff. Now there are tools out there. Uh, they'll let you do all kinds of things, check your reports and all that. What I like about, um, recently, uh, Ktp, um, has introduced a Beta for a new sort of book report.

Kevin Tumlinson:          19:14                You know, there was book report, which was a plugin that will let you sort of slice and dice the, uh, the data from a Amazon's reporting, uh, into something readable and digestible. Uh, but they, uh, they just raised the price on that to like 20 bucks a month. Um, of course, it's free up until you make your first thousand dollars in a, in sales and once you hit thousand dollars, I f I kind of feel like, you know, 10 or 20 bucks a for something like that is, it shouldn't be that big a deal. But I can understand why people don't want to pay that. Um, well, the good news is that, you know, you don't have to anymore KTP has introduced this a reporting tool. It's in Beta when you go to your KDP account and you click on reports, um, there's a little thing right now at the top that says, try out the Beta.

Kevin Tumlinson:          20:02                You can click on that. And I've been playing with it now for a couple of weeks and I am really impressed. I'm really impressed with how it works. There's some things I wish it did that it doesn't do, but it's, it's, it's really up there. Uh, it's really quite powerful. So, and it makes it very easy to read your, uh, you know, your figures. You can see your sales, uh, sales of unit, sales of Patriots. You can see an estimated a royalty. Do, um, you know, you can even a move around day by day and see what you made, you know, yesterday, day before, et cetera. See what your current day sales are. A so there's a lot to that. And that's a free tool for being in the, uh, the kindle direct publishing a ecosystem drafted digital has a very similar report reporting tool that tells you all your sales and all your, all the different platforms that you distribute to through draft two digital.

Kevin Tumlinson:          20:56                So you can see all your reports, you can see royalties do, you can see royalties, pain, um, and there's a whole bunch of little prebuilt charts that you can pull up, uh, to see how things are going. You can check sales by storefront in sales by country and things like that. So, uh, that is very handy and that's part of running your business to, so there's no overhead to that either if you do it this way. Uh, and if you use something like Google sheets or if you happen to have Microsoft Excel or whatever, you can, you know, you can throw this stuff into a spreadsheet and generate charts. And what have you. It's not really my bag. Uh, but you can, you can do all that. Um, I ride, I do highly recommend, by the way, the Google office stuff. Uh, just, it works very well.

Kevin Tumlinson:          21:41                It's universally compatible no matter what device you're on. A, I do like the word processor. I mean the fact is it's just a great office suite for no money. It's compatible with practically everything. Uh, it has, it has its downsides. There are, there are always going to be things that are not perfect. Um, let, Microsoft Office doesn't, isn't perfect either. So, uh, so there's all of that. And then, um, okay, so that's, you know, more of the business size. You want to also manage your accounting and, and things. Um, I recommend, you know, having a, a getting one of the, there, there you can, whatever your bank is. I use an online bank called simple bank is now owned by Bba compass. Uh, they merged about two years ago when I got it. It wasn't, it was an independent. Um, I like it because it's a, for one, it's, it pays me sort of a dividend or we'll just call it interest, pays me interest on whatever is in there like once a quarter.

Kevin Tumlinson:          22:48                And it's not much. It's like, it's like 0.002% or something, but, uh, you know, it's good for a quarter every now and then. Uh, but that's not, that's not really why I like it. I like it cause it is just like the name of Claude is very simple, very straightforward. Uh, everything's accessible online. I can do transfers. Uh, it's got a great app. It's well designed. Okay. I like well-designed. Uh, and there are no fees for having it. So, uh, I don't like banks. Go figure. I'm not a big fan of the banking system. Uh, I have bank accounts, but I like to use services like USAA. We have USAA accounts. Uh, I used to have a Texas Dao, a credit union account. Um, I now I use simple. So you know, I like alternatives to the banks because banks tend to do things like charge fees, you know, charge you a fee for having an account if your balance is lower than what they like.

Kevin Tumlinson:          23:44                They charge you a, if you want to transfer money out, they charge you a fee. A S, uh, simple really doesn't have those fees. Uh, so I would, I would encourage you to find a banking solution like that, even if it's only for your author business. And I encourage you to have an account, a separate from your personal account for your author business, pay yourself a salary if you must. Um, I would actually try, I would, I would advise you to here's financial advice from someone who, by the way, not a financial advisor and not all that great with money historically, uh, getting much better with money. But here's the, here's some words linger financial advice. Um, use an APP called Acorn, which I will give you a code for that actually, uh, if I can find it real quick. But, um, if you use acorn, you can, there's acorns.com.

Kevin Tumlinson:          24:43                Um, don't go there. I'm going to give you a code, but if you use acorn, you can actually, um, half money rolled over into this account based on your spending. So it does this roundup thing. So, uh, you use your debit card for example, and you go off and you pay a dollar 50 for something and Acorn, we'll, we'll round that up to $2 and put the 50 cents into an investment for you on your, on your behalf. Um, and then you can also add money to this, right? You can have a recurring, uh, amount of income go into it, or you can, um, just do one time, uh, uh, you know, one time investments and that sort of thing. But what happens is you can choose how you want this money invested. Uh, and just, I just let them do everything on autopilot and that allows that money to grow fairly quickly over time.

Kevin Tumlinson:          25:41                Um, it's, it's, it's pretty remarkable how well it's done for me. Uh, so here's what I'm going to do. I've got a, uh, I've got a URL. It's acorns.com/invite/, h, r, h, t, y, F, and those, those letters are all upper case. So acorns.com/invite/h, r, h, o, t, y. F. If you go and you do that, I get some money, uh, and you get some money, I think it's like five bucks for me and five bucks for you. Uh, so, uh, go, go sign up for that. I'm going to put that on the show notes so that you've got it. Um, that way you can start investing your money. So my recommendation is, you know, uh, have a separate banking account for your, your business. Uh, and then if you're, you know, if this is side money for awhile, take all that side money, put it back into the business.

Kevin Tumlinson:          26:43                So take a big chunk of it and put it in something that invests in grows. And then I use the rest for things like, as you get enough to pay someone to do your covers, stop making your own covers and start paying someone to do a stop painting. You know, you the lay on all that stuff's for free, but the things that you really should be paying someone for things like book covers and maybe some other graphic design, web design, copywriting, uh, to help market your work. And then you can start, you know, as it really grows, you can start investing in things like promotions and PR and that sort of thing. There are a lot of promotions out there you can do as part of your business. This is the marketing side. Start looking for ways you can share, um, you know, trade a mailing list and things with a newsletters rather with, uh, with other authors in your genre.

Kevin Tumlinson:          27:32                A, you do want to build a newsletter and the way you, uh, the way you do this, by the way, start with the people you know and email them and ask them. You're going to want to set something up where they can download this. And I, I think, uh, you can, uh, book funnel as a way to do this, but there is some overhead with book funnel. Uh, maybe at first is just offered to give someone a book. You will email them a link or a file or whatever if they will, uh, give you permission, add them to a mailing list and then use, I used to recommend a MailChimp, but I can't do that anymore since they, they're switching gears, making, uh, making it much more expensive to use them. Um, mailer lite is a good one. So may go to mailer lights, set up an account and s and just start asking people permission to add them to your mailing list and then ask them to, you know, start sending them emails.

Kevin Tumlinson:          28:26                But in every email, ask if they'll share your email with someone who might be interested. That's a way to start growing. And then go on Facebook, Twitter, everywhere you have a following and you want to offer something, offer some Freebie. I recommend writing an original short story. If you're a fiction writer or an original article or something. If you're a nonfiction writer, something that is related to your book but is not necessarily your book. Maybe it's the first chapter, you know, maybe some bonus content. Um, but offer what we call a top of funnel offer. You want to offer something for free that gets people interested in and gets them on your mailing list and then why when they're on your mailing list, don't spam them with buying my book all the time, but instead, uh, email them with some personable content as I call it, content that is engaging on a more personal level.

Kevin Tumlinson:          29:19                You don't have to share personal details about your life. You don't have to, you can. Um, I kind of recommend getting too personal or get your recommended against getting too personal, but, um, you can share things like, you know, hey, I was just in St Louis for example, I was just in St Louis with my wife and we went to the zoo. Did you know the disease is free? Is the Saint Louis, did you know that they also have other really cool free staff? Uh, it was very inspiring. Are probably right about that by the way. Speaking of writing or, uh, thanks to everybody for being such a great, uh, you know, presence in my life, being a friend. Um, I have my book. Kevin's adventures in Saint Louis is available right now. Uh, if you get a chance, go pick up a copy. If you've already read it, I'd appreciate a review, uh, until, until next time, you know, and then you, uh, you write to them with some frequency, either once a month.

Kevin Tumlinson:          30:20                I do it once a week, but some people advise against that and I can see why, uh, but you know, keep up with them and treat every email you write to them as if it's a personal email, as if it's you're emailing a friend. Okay. Uh, and then invite them to write back saying, Hey, what's your favorite travel destination? Where's the last place you went? Have you ever been the Saint Louis? What would you do in St Louis if you were back there? Um, and then when they respond to you respond to them, every email, every time you get an email from somebody on your mailing list, you write back, you'd be kind and you are profusely thankful and grateful. And, uh, you know, you treat them like, you know, like the heavenly angel that they are.

Kevin Tumlinson:          31:07                Uh, so that's part of the marketing. Um, so I think we've covered a lot here and a, um, I mean where we're at time. So I want to go ahead and wrap up, but, uh, I hope that this was coherent and a hope that it was useful, but it just kind of in closing, let's see if we can wrap it up and I don't have notes so bear with me here. But the idea here to bootstrap your writing career, um, is to first figure out what resources you have that can go into this Gaba hose up. Make a list, okay. Um, if you don't, if there's something you don't have or don't know and you need it, the neither. Go out and cultivate the skill. Learn the skill you use. Use tools like youtube. Ask Your friends, ask anybody. You can think of a, if you happen to know somebody who does this stuff, ask them to teach you or give you some advice.

Kevin Tumlinson:          31:58                They may offer to do it for you for free. Um, offered to make a meal or buy drinks or uh, take care of someone's dog or whatever to get them to do something you need for free. Okay. You give something in exchange for word, but a whatever it takes, go off and figure out how do I get what I need to do, what I need to do. Um, so learn new skills, meet new people, go off and, and research things as deeply as you can. So you know how to, you know how to do the as much of this yourself as possible or you know what's going to go into it so you know what to expect. You know what to look for, that sort of thing. Um, get your business in, get a separate account for your author money. Uh, you know, the old adage is pay yourself first.

Kevin Tumlinson:          32:47                That's, that's great. I think in this case, paying yourself first is putting every dime you make from your writing career back into your writing career as much as possible. Take 10% of it and put it into acorn. Uh, and, uh, I would appreciate it if you'd use my link. And let me give you that to you again. acorns.com/invite/all caps, h, r, h, t, y, f, you's Acorn, a wheel. I think you get five bucks and I get five bucks. And I like that deal. Uh, but the reason I say you use that is one, it's safe. I've been using it now for a couple of years. Uh, I've really watched my money grow. Uh, in fact, I've, every quarter I up the amount that I have going in on a recurring basis, but the roundups alone have netted me probably a few thousand dollars. So a really worthwhile to put your money in there and it's a, it's FDI, ca, uh, backed and everything, so your money is safe.

Kevin Tumlinson:          33:46                Um, anyway, that's my plug. That's the only sort of sponsorship thing. Uh, but, but you know, do well, put your money to work for you is what I'm saying. And then, uh, you know, use, um, the free resources that are out there. Drafted digital has got a ton of free resources. There's no obligations involved there. Uh, the, uh, Google drive and Google docs and Google, you know, Google office, that's all free for you. Use Dropbox has a free Dropbox account. You can use Google drive and Dropbox. Pretty much the same. So, uh, take a look at both and uh, just you know, what you need to do is make, uh, make yourself a list of everything you need and put it up against your list of everything you have and everything that you're capable of and where there are deficiencies, makeup plan right now to go off and build up against those deficiencies, find, find resources.

Kevin Tumlinson:          34:40                So, um, I think that's it. And A, and I'll talk about this more of course in the future. This is one of my favorite topics, so, but if you need a little more advice, a little more guidance, a, if this was not quite enough to, uh, to help you out, reach out to me. Go to a ward slinging. I'll be one of your resources. How's that go towards on your podcast.com this show and other shows like it, by the way, are definitely resources. You can learn a lot from podcasts. And that's where I think a go to word singer, podcast.com. Hit the contact button, email me with any questions you have or if you can leave a question on the comments on this, uh, on this episode and I think this is episode one 86 maybe. Let me check that. I'm going to double check that real quick.

Kevin Tumlinson:          35:28                But, um, the point here is, uh, you can leave a comment onwards, slinger podcast.com on the show notes for this specific episode and a and I will get it and I will, uh, answer your questions and it is going to be in fact episode one 86. Um, but otherwise that's going to do it. Uh, we are, we're out of time. Hope you got a lot out of this episode. Let me know and I'm going to have more stuff like this and if there are specific things you'd like to learn about in the future, uh, you can, you can let me know about that stuff too. I'm happy to try to, uh, I'll, I'll, you know, if it's something that can be an entire episode, I'm happy to try and make that happen. Um, but otherwise I'm here for you and, uh, I hope, uh, I hope,

Kevin Tumlinson:          36:14                I hope so. God bless you. Thanks for tuning in to another. We can words on your podcast. I'll be around and I make sure you tune in Friday for our interview this week and I'll see you then.

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 Speaker 1:                    00:00                Hey slingers today I'm talking to Joe j, a con Raf about the transition from traditional to MD, maybe even back again. So stick around and find out what we chat about that. Hey, you looking for a jump on your own indie author career, but kinda confused about where to start. I've got the place for you. Check out draft two digital. That's where you're going to be able to convert your manuscript, distributed worldwide, online, and get help the whole way from the best author support there is. Trust me on this one. So go check out drafted digital@drafteddigital.com slash word slinger.

Speaker 2:                    00:37                It's the word slinger podcast where story matters. Build your brand, right, your book. Redefine who you are. It's all about this story here. What's yours? Now here's the guy who invented pants, optional cabin Tomlinson. No words. Slinger.

Speaker 1:                    01:00                What? Slinger. Well, I am Kevin Thompson, the word slinger. Uh, I am, uh, I'm thrilled that you're here today. This has been a little bit hectic week for me, man. I yesterday, me, Mark Lafave and Dan would all, did the D Two d ask us anything, uh, on Facebook? Primarily, but it's going to be showing up on our blog. Uh, I still got a couple of things I got to do as far as blog posts, uh, transcripts, that sort of thing. Uh, but that is going to be available for everyone to, to check checkout and listening on. Uh, there was some great advice in that thing. You're going to want to definitely tune into that. And we were giving away, now this is gonna by the time you hear this, uh, the, this is going to be closed, but we were giving away free author consultations, 30 minute author consultations with either me, mark or Dan, um, assigned randomly by the way.

Speaker 1:                    01:58                Yeah. And Yeah, somehow I ended up with the lion's share. I've got like, uh, it's something like four to one. It for these things like I get four, they get one. Uh, but uh, we ended up, um, having a great time with that. It, it was a very effective, a a you a webinar thing. We're going to be doing more of those. We're aiming to do one of those a month, I think, uh, still pulling some things together. We learned some lessons on this. Uh, can't wait to apply those, but, uh, heck man, I may do my own. Ask me anything at some point in the future. Let me know if you'd be interested in that. Uh, and maybe even the author consulting thing too. We'll see. Um, but, uh, let me know if you would have an interest in anything like that. Word slinger themed, uh, pop on over to words on your podcast.com.

Speaker 1:                    02:46                Uh, hit the contact button or a lead me something on the, uh, comments for this show, which is by the way, uh, episode one 91. Just go search for one 91 in little search, hit thinker, podcast.com a having a little glitch right now with that, by the way. So it may be directing you to my homepage, and if it does, just click on words like your podcast in the, in the menu up top, and you can use the search box from there. So, sorry about that. Uh, I did something I thought was clever and somehow I redirected all my links, so I gotta I gotta hop in and fix that. Uh, among all the other things that I'm doing. So, uh, so today we're chatting with Joe Conrad. You may know him as j a con wrath or half a dozen other Om nom de Plume Rooms, pinned names.

Speaker 1:                    03:38                Um, but, uh, I had a great conversation with him about, you know, he's transitioned from the traditional world to s to self publishing. Uh, why he's doing that. I had a chance to participate in a promotion he did, uh, last last week. It kinda ran through the weekend. Um, and it was a f it was a Freebie thing, you know, we were giving, it was me in like 29 other authors, him included giving away free copies of a book in our catalog. And, uh, you know, uh, it was interesting the way he handled it cause uh, there was a button there that would allow you to click and, uh, put every single one of those books in your cart on Amazon, which I thought was very clever. Um, there were some glitches. There were some hangups, uh, more people jumped in on this than he had expected. You know, most of the people participating had lists in the like 25 to 40,000 range.

Speaker 1:                    04:34                Um, I, me included. And so he got like, you know, he was, there was enough bandwidth on that page to accommodate I think, 100,000 visits and he got 500,000 in the first like hour of the, uh, of the Promo. And it just kept happening. And it kept, basically it was a like a denial of service attack on his site orchestrated by those of us participating. Uh, cause we all sent out our emails around the same time. So, uh, that was interesting. And it Kinda like he had to manually watch that every hour or something. It reset is reset the site, make sure everything reappeared. So, uh, lots of lessons learned from that too, apparently. So that that'll change next time. But the, the promotion went great. I mean, all of us ended up in the top, uh, like top 100, top 50 of Amazon's free list. Um, you know, on the, that's Amazon store by the way. And we all like ended up number one in our categories. Um, and our various categories. So that was a, so really a great promotion. I'm going to, I'm looking forward to see what happens, what the sort of play through is gonna be for that. Um, because it was 30 novels, uh, people were just grabbing, you know, so the chances of someone reading my novel out of the

Speaker 3:                    05:58                30, uh, might be a little slim. You never know. Um, but it still, it was interesting to get it out there. Uh, I'm, I'm intrigued by that. We talk just a little bit about that in this interview. So, um, but I'm going to go ahead and let's just roll us right in. I want to make sure you get the full blast thing here and then stick around afterwards. We'll have, uh, a couple of news bites for Ya. Uh, and I'll see you on

Speaker 4:                    06:25                your side.

Speaker 3:                    06:28                Hey, welcome to another week of the word slinger podcast. This is one of our, our infamous interview episodes. I love bringing on guests who, uh, wanted to, uh, bringing on guests who know what they're talking about. And this guy certainly does. I'm talking to Joe Conrad. You may know him as Jay Conrad, he's a thriller writer. We get a lot of those around here. Joe. Um, and a lot of us, there are a lot of us and surprisingly we, we all seem to do pretty well. Um, that must mean there's a big enough pie to go around. But welcome to the show.

Speaker 5:                    06:58                Hey, thank you for having me Kevin.

Speaker 3:                    07:00                Man. Uh, I've been looking forward to having you on the show for a while now. You kind of, you held me at arms length for awhile. I ghosted you. You didn't go. It's because you actually reached back out to me. So you saved me the trouble of a followup begging or any of those, unlike every girl I dated in high school who did not save me that trouble. Um, so you've got something new and I, I'm, I'm excited to talk about it cause I, you know, you have a blog post on this. I read through that. Uh, some of it's intriguing. One thing in particular, it's really intriguing me and it may be a non event for you. What we'll see. Uh, but why don't you tell us a little bit about what you got coming up?

Speaker 5:                    07:41                Well, I've got a couple cool things coming up for anybody watching or listening to this who doesn't know who I am. My name is Joe Konrath. I ran into the name of j a con wrath. I've also written under the name Jack Kilborne. I got started in the legacy publishing world, which is way way back in the 90s and naughties when you actually had to send out snail mail to agents and publishers to try to get them to read your query letter. And I did that for a decade and I wrote over a million words and I wrote 10 novels and I got over 500 rejections. And then finally I got an agent in about 1999 and I wrote a few more books with her that she couldn't sell. Finally she sold one called whiskey sour in 2003 and then from 2003 up to 2009 I was a legacy published author.

Speaker 5:                    08:41                I was a having hardcovers put out worldwide and paperbacks and I was making, you know, a decent living, meaning about 30 to 40 grand a year. Whites still worked. But uh, you know, for all intents and purposes I'd made it because that's what all the writing books and magazines told you is making it. You finally get your book in bookstores. Right. Well then the Kendall came along Amazon with his picks, Pesky ebook reader and what they did was they opened up an opportunity for authors to self-publish. Right now I first heard about this because I had website still do Jay Counter F. Dot com contracted with a k and I had free PDFs on my website of the books that had been rejected by hundreds of publishers. Yeah. And I thought, you know, I'm not not selling, I'm never going to sell them. Why don't I, uh, just make them free on the webpage.

Speaker 5:                    09:44                Right. What happened was I got a lot of fans reading my paper stuff that they were finding in bookstores wanting to put these on their new kindle device and can't I sell them in the kindle store? And back then it was called DTP, not Caitlin, it was digital text platform. So I was one of the first authors to say, all right, I'm not selling these anyway. Why the hell not and throw them up there for 99 cents. And this is back in 2009 April of 2009 and the first month I made enough to cover my mortgage. Nice. Now it's always a completely unexpected. I mean I thought this was going to be like a pathway drug. Oh read this book for cheap and then go and buy my real books that are in bookstores. Uh, I started uploading more of these rejected books and started making more money and by the next year I was suing my publishers to get my rights back from the books that had already been published. And then I was able to launch 10 books at once and that was the first month I made $100,000. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3:                    10:56                Your story by the way. And I, I made a bit of an error cause I kinda left into this like everybody is going to know your story. Uh, but it is hard for some of us. There's a circle of us who follow everything you're doing and say thank you. You know, you're, your journey and adventure, uh, is very informative.

Speaker 5:                    11:18                It was, I made a lot of mistakes and took a lot of chances and I blogged about it. I started my blog, a newbie's guide to publishing back in 2005. Right? So I was very pro traditional publishing and pro self promotion and marketing and I shared a lot of my experiences. I did a book tour that, you know, I spent 60 days on the road. I had 500 bookstores, we called it the j Konrath no six tour. Okay. Uh, which my nor I will ever do again. Ah, I, I blogged a lot about book signings and doing book events and going to conferences and doing all these things that we were told that we had to do as authors. And then the kindle was invented and my blog shifted focus from this is how to self promote as a legacy published author too. Well, you know what?

Speaker 5:                    12:20                You really don't need these gatekeepers and you can make a couple of bucks yourself and maybe pay your electric bill, maybe pay your rent, maybe buy yourself a car or house. And uh, that's, that's how it turned out for me. I was completely right place right time because I had a back list of crap that nobody wanted and I didn't think it was crap. I knew what they were good books and Amazon just opened up and I was able to release a lot at once, early on in the game and I sold millions of books. Yeah. And that's the bulk of your career then has been India at this point since then. Yes and no. I think I'm what's called a hybrid. I think so, yeah. It makes sense. Well, what happened was there was an Amazon program called Amazon encore, right? That got started right after KTP got started or DDP got started and this was a small publishing wing of Amazon that looked at independently published books from self focused authors and said, you know what, why don't you let us publish them and we can give you a little boost.

Speaker 5:                    13:36                Right. And they reached out to me because one of my books and said, hey, we're interested in this. I said, well, I'm not like a Newbie. Can you Google me and learn who I learn who I am before we continue this conversation? And I, at this point, I'd sold a couple hundred thousand regular paper books. And they got back to me pretty quick and said, oh, we're sorry for bothering you. And I said, no, no, no, no, you're not bothering me at all. Uh, the first series I wrote was for a publisher called Hyperion and there were all books about a cop named Jack Daniels. They were all named after drinks, whiskey, sour, bloody Mary, Rusty Nail and so on. You're catching the theme. So Amazon wanted to publish one of my new books and I said Hyperion, who had published the first six Jack Daniel's books dropped their mystery line after I signed to the second three book deal.

Speaker 5:                    14:36                So those books got no promo. They got no advertising, they got no co-op, they were very poorly released. And once your sales declined, once they're on the downward downward, a trek in the publishing. Nobody else wants to pick up a series or an off like that. Right. So I could not sell a seventh Jack Daniel's novel, but Amazon encore approached me and I said, hey, how about I give you another Jack Daniel's book that the publishers don't want? And they said, great. So I was the first traditionally published author published by Amazon, and the book has sold a couple hundred thousand copies. It turned out really well. I did a CQL for them. I did three more books for them with a co-writer of mine, a good friend and boss Peterson the Chandler series. And those have sold very well on Amazon. And then I was the first German published Amazon author too because Amazon realized encore was working with me.

Speaker 5:                    15:36                And then they started other imprints like Thomas and Mercer and Montlake for different genres. And then they went into different countries and they looked at the properties they already own. And they contacted me and said, well, you know this first book we did with you shake and you want to do this in Germany. And I said, absolutely. Do you have a translator? And they said no. And I said, well, I do, because I had a fan from Germany email me and say, I love your books. I'd love to translate one. And I say, I don't know anything about that. I wouldn't even know how to correct that. Is that right? Did he just write gibberish? I don't know. Right. Uh, but he talked me into doing it for very cheap at and I did it and he turned out to be a very good translators. Names Peter's me. And I told him I was on low.

Speaker 6:                    16:24                All right. Uh, I've already got that relationship with him. He already knows my work fast. We can throw that up. So I became the first Amazon crossing published author because of that. And I'm very proud of this as you could. I loved being at the beginning of something. Right. And now I'm at tortoise. Now I had a dinosaur in the middle of something and it's evolved way beyond what I even understand at this point. Right. Yeah, go ahead. I'm sorry. Can I say something?

Speaker 3:                    16:57                I was just going to interject. I was going to say a, you know, we, after, after having followed you for, for all this time, um, I, I get what you're saying cause I, I, you know, I Kinda, I kind of regret that because I started publishing with Amazon in 2008 somehow managed to miss out on the whole explosion of authors getting picked up and getting deals and all that. I, I somehow manage to avoid all that. So, uh, listen to your story. I'm like, I get to hear what the, what could have been kind of deal.

Speaker 6:                    17:29                Those are the, what could have been is you could have signed an unconscionable contract for your life plus 70 years noncompete clauses and next option clauses, which would have kept your hands tied, prevented you from self publishing anything. Right. And ultimately they would have tanked your career just like they very much to take mine and we wouldn't even be talking right now. It's a good thing that you never got an offer because there are no good offers unless it's what I call money. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. If you money is when the publisher comes in and says, we're going to give you six or seven figures. Right. And you're saying, well fine, that's, it's fun because you can do whatever you want with it. You can just grow up my career. You can put swastikas all over the cover. Doesn't matter to me. I wouldn't recommend that, but it doesn't matter to me because you just gave me enough money that I no longer care about if the book succeeds. But usually authors care.

Speaker 3:                    18:32                Yeah. I think I would care. Um, and clearly you cared. I mean you've, you fought pretty hard to get, you know, the books that were out there, you know, you fought hard to get those, the rights back, right?

Speaker 6:                    18:43                Yes, it was. It was difficult. It was, yeah. They did not want to give them up, especially when the ebook boom started. But uh, so I do not recommend lawsuits on either side of, well them, it allows me to work from home and spend all day wearing a bathrobe.

Speaker 3:                    19:03                Yeah. Yeah. That's hard to, it's hard to beat. That's worth it. In the end.

Speaker 6:                    19:08                I've got my bathing suit on and I just periodically go into the hot tub and get out of that tub and the hot tub and it's beautiful.

Speaker 3:                    19:16                Those are, those are good days. I mean, I do enjoy the freedom. Uh, I have, you know, I do want to work wherever I feel like doing it, whatever. I feel like doing it, you know? That's, that's pretty handy.

Speaker 6:                    19:29                It is. But is your boss a jerk?

Speaker 3:                    19:32                My boss can be a complete jerk. Yeah. That's my wife. She hates my boss. Sometimes.

Speaker 6:                    19:39                Me, I'm, I'm my, my wife is a different sort of boss. My wife's, my wife runs the family and runs everything right. But when I met, when I met my boss is because I'm self employed. I my boss.

Speaker 3:                    19:54                That's what I mean. I, I mean me, I'm the big jerk in this scenario. Yeah. No, I'm not the wife. I'm just the big jerk boss. My wife, my wife is much better. Boston. I am, she gets things done. She's that one. She's the one that gets the trains to the station on time. You know, you use the, uh, the aphorism. What's that? No, she doesn't see now we've had this, she and I've had this conversation. I, uh, when I first started doing this, I felt somewhat offended that she would read maybe one book, you know, but she's, she's not really a, that's not her, her role in this. Like she's the one who facilitates me writing. I have other readers.

Speaker 6:                    20:37                No, it's good. It's good. Have some,

Speaker 3:                    20:39                it is good to have some. Yeah. Uh, so your, I want to talk a little bit about your sort of pro, I want to get to the new stuff that's coming out. I've got new stuff coming up. Yeah. It's interesting. Uh, but I know there are people out there listening who are probably going to be interested in, in sort of your process because especially since you are coming over, you've come over from the traditional world. Like what changed between traditional still in Indy a for you as far as your work work in progress or process?

Speaker 6:                    21:10                Well, yeah. Okay. First of all is, uh, the difference in speed and um, a rush to market is night and day. It's glacial the legacy public. Soon you have a deadline that's usually a year or 18 months away. You turn in what you think is a polished manuscript, but it turns out to be a first draft. Yeah. And then you go through an editing process, which can last a couple of weeks to a couple of months. They actually mail you your manuscript back. There's no, you know, Microsoft word doc where they have the review but not, and you can accept or or reject suggestions. It is actual red line ink that if you don't like something you write stat, which means Nope, I don't want, I don't want to use that. And you send that back to them and you may have to go back and forth a couple of times mailing it, snail mail, snail mail again.

Speaker 6:                    22:15                And then you go through a proofing process and then you go through another person process where they send you what the pages look like after they've been typeset. You don't have to read your book for the 80th time, which is always a joy. Yeah. Because you'll catch it the 80th time, the 79 times you missed that title, but 80 oh by that point you don't, you'll catch that type of immediately and then once they accept it, it's another 12 months to publication. So you're talking a two year, sometimes longer process from a, you having a book too. The book actually getting out there, right. Uh, with shaken, which was the first book I did with Amazon. I wrote you taking the nine days. Yeah, I had a deadline. I had other things going on. I still have some legacy deals at this point. I was still writing under the name Jack Kilborne so I couldn't devote the time to shaking that I wanted to.

Speaker 6:                    23:12                And I asked Amazon for more time and they said, well, we really got the machine rolling. We can't do that. I'm like, all right, well a lot of coffee and no sleep and I can knock out 70,000 words in a, in a week and some change. And I did Amazon publishing like Thomas and Mercer and Mountlake and all of their imprints, they don't, yeah, edit. Right. They'll proof. They'll help you with typos? Well, they don't give you suggestions. They don't say, well you know what, your protagonist is kind of a jerk. Maybe can you give him a dog or something to make them more likable? Nope. They pretty much let you let you do what you want to. Yeah. By the time I'd gotten to that point, I had already written 18 novels. So, uh, I have a pretty good idea if a book is working or not.

Speaker 6:                    24:03                And my wife is my first reader and she'll usually read it while I am in the process of it. So she's reading it as I write it and if I do anything wrong, she immediately lets me know and I can fix it before I even get to the end. And she usually reads the end about 20 seconds after I write the end and she's already caught up to that point. So these days I don't have to deal with an editor. I still of course use a proof reader who is excellent, who takes about a week to really go through it and fines just damn near everything. She's really good. Uh, her name is Sharice graves' grammar rules is her website. There is a link to it on the sidebar of my blog and she's terrific, really fast, really professional. So in this new improved self publishing world, you can get a book from idea to for sale. Okay. In a month, six weeks. Uh, and that's a huge difference. Plus of course keeping 70% as opposed to six to 8%. Right. That you would get of covered price with paperback books, 10 12.5 to 15% of a hardcover book. But even that ease $20 hardcover book, if you've sold over 15,000 copies, you get the 15%, you're making three bucks, six, five, four 50. It's four 50. I don't know, I was an art major,

Speaker 6:                    25:44                four 50 for a $20 book as opposed to, uh, five bucks for a $6 book. Right. It's a no brainer.

Speaker 7:                    25:52                Yeah. Yeah. One of the things that attracted me to big difference. Yeah. That's um, you look riveted by the way. I am. I am riveted. I'm hanging on every syllable of what you're saying. Check your messages. A little while ago, I went looking for your, uh, the link you said was there for your copy editor is what you were looking for? Yes. Yes. I've never understood. That's why I don't understand. Okay. I should get into it. Is there a head to head version of candy crush there? Kevin?

Speaker 3:                    26:44                This, this is why I do, I come up with being big ideas and I just throw them out there like chump change. Just you take it, you take, so let's, we're kind of combing up on time so I want to make sure we're talking about the new stuff. So what's, what's in the Pike right now? Cause it, and you've got, there's some interesting little things happening with it. Not just, it's not just that you've got a new series or something like you're doing something kind of experimental.

Speaker 6:                    27:12                I'm, I'm doing two things that are experimental, uh, and again, cut me off. Yes, if I rent it along or don't cut me off, let me go and just some of the earlier boring shit I said. And then you'll still be, you'll still be under under your time time limit. Okay.

Speaker 3:                    27:28                I got a whole dog eating ice section

Speaker 6:                    27:34                right above my head. I'm surprised you didn't hear it. And that's a great snack for dogs, dogs and eating ice low-calorie and it gives them that chewing satisfaction. Yup. And I'm all for it normally, but not right above my head during a podcast. Kind of like two experimental things that I'm trying and I love experiments. I just love them. I love piracy. Yeah. Uh, I, I used to get on my blog and say, steal it, steal it, put it on pirate. I put it on pirate bay myself and I would host my own Dorrance uh, demon oid and uh, I would, I'd be like, yeah, go ahead, pirate it. I don't see how it could possibly hurt my sales and it doesn't. Right. Something a lot of authors are worried about and I love doing experiments. So I got two experiments going on right now.

Speaker 6:                    28:23                One is last year I decided to write a big book. And by big books, the sucker wound up being about 180,000 words. Right. By comparison, my first books were maybe 65,000 words. So this is free books wrote a big book, spent a year on it and I thought this has blockbuster potential. This is a big idea. It's called what happened to Lori? And it's about what happened to Lori. Is she dead or is it a lot worse and it's a lot worse. And I've got a phone call I'm going to, I shouldn't even have my phone here, let's put it over there.

Speaker 6:                    29:04                So what happened to Lori? And it was a big book and I gave it to my agent and I said, what did you, what do you think of it? And she said, I don't know, it's experiment until I invented some punctuation with this. Yeah. I put a lot of clothes hangers in it and I basically tried to write it like clickbait, meaning keep posing more questions to keep the readers turning the pages. Yeah, to get the answers and then trickle out the answers like crumbs. But then hit them with even more intriguing questions. We'll shoot dye, find out on page 70 not that bad, but that's page 27 will blow your mind. That kind of crap. A fun. It was fun. It was fun to write and hopefully it's fun to read. Well, my agent was lukewarm on it. She sent it out. Every publisher she sent it to do is look warm on it, right.

Speaker 6:                    29:57                Nobody thought it was a big book. And I said, well shit, okay, fine. Nobody thinks it's a big book. Let's do what I can do with it. So when I did this, I split it into two books, book one and book two and I do bude book one for free. Right. So I've never premiered a novel. I've made novels free all the time after they've been available for awhile. But I never premiered a novel free. And I got a permafree on Amazon by going through the steps that you need to do in order to do that.

Speaker 7:                    30:31                The process.

Speaker 6:                    30:33                Yep. And got a permafree everywhere. And it launched a, I think on the SIF, so about 10 days ago. 11 days ago. Two weeks ago. Yeah. And I've gotten rid of a couple of 10,000 copies, which is great. Been in the top hundred pretty consistently on the Amazon free list. And I'm getting a lot of good reviews and I'm getting a lot of shitty reviews which I expected because it's a very polarizing book and the idea is giveaway part one for free and then part two I'm only charging 99 cents for it so it's essentially 180,000 word. Super novel for a buck.

Speaker 7:                    31:13                Yeah, it, it happens. It's massive. Yup. I hear that all the time from my wife with my writing. Yes. Not what she likes. She likes, she likes them big. Yeah, like some big in this book right now is currently like number three in crime thrillers and numbers, conspiracy thrillers. I like it. It is doing very well. What did you do to promote it? I mean being free has to help but I know that that's not going to get you to the top 10 all time.

Speaker 6:                    31:53                No, no. He usually does and usually bookbub is what pushes you up to the number one spot. I've had the lucky experience of being one and free and paid a couple of times in the last couple of years on on Amazon and it's lovely when it happens. In this case, it was first of all making an announcement. If you're a writer, you have to have a newsletter and you need to um, be actively trying to get more people to sign up for your newsletter, have a link on your website, have a link in the back of all of your ebooks for people to sign up. So first was an announcement and that got me in the top hundred and then I would, social media is some Facebook posts, some, some blog posts, Twitter posts. Yeah. And then I started using some of the non bookbub advertisers. Yeah. Uh, and there are a lot of them, you know, free submit for free or 25 bucks or 100 bucks I think makes sense.

Speaker 6:                    32:53                Was 200 bucks that when it hasn't gone yet. And uh, then it's just been, you know, be active in social media, let people know about it, respond to emails and, and people on Facebook and Twitter and ask kindly, can you review it? Even if you hated it. I'm, I'm all about the hate. And it's consistently stayed in the, in the top hundred and it's doing pretty well. And book too. I've got a blog called what happened to laurie.com with a countdown clock on it and book two will be released on August 30th for the bargain price of 99 cents. And we'll see if this is enough buzz to get both of them on the lists and uh, you know, maybe actually get it talked about and get people discussing it and get people really interested in reading what happened already.

Speaker 7:                    33:47                Yeah. So, um, you're debuting that and I and says that's not going to be its permanent price though, right?

Speaker 6:                    33:52                Uh, well I'm devaluing the first book is free. The second book. Yes. It will be tribute at 99 cents. I don't know,

Speaker 7:                    34:02                to start off a lot of book four. That's the two of those volumes together. That's a lot of book for 99 cents, man.

Speaker 6:                    34:10                Here's the, here's the mentality, and it may sound weird, but I've experimented with price a lot. Yeah. And I found that four 99 five 99 is a good price for an average size thriller, which is what I write. And that's the sweet spot in between how many sales you get versus how much you make per book. 99 cents you will sell more books, but you're making 35% rather than 70% so you're making 32 cents a book, 33 cents a book for a 99 cent book as opposed to if you bumped it up to two 99 you'd make 70% of that. Right. Which is, you know, but almost two bucks, right? Uh, I didn't want this to be about the money. I've tried so hard to make money and I made some money. I've been extremely lucky. Everything. The one, the one takeaway from my entire story is I got lucky. I got really, really lucky with a couple of times. I got really lucky in this case. I spent a year on this book. I thought it would be big. My agent and publishers did not think it would be big. And now I just want to see how many people I can get to read it. Right. Okay. And that would mean, go ahead.

Speaker 7:                    35:33                Oh, I was going to ask, is that, is that at least in part about sort of an, I told you so. Yeah, maybe I'm not a petty man, but maybe, maybe there's some of that. It's proof. It's not Petty's proof of concept, proof of concepts. There's that, that there's all,

Speaker 6:                    35:55                I've never done it before. I'm always releasing books at four bucks, five bucks, six bucks. Let's try to release one for free and 99 cents and, and see actually what it does and see if it can take off. And if this fails, it's real easy on publish both parts. I stick it together as one big book and I make it exclusive on kindle unlimited and it's a reset. You know, all the reviews are gone. Uh, all of the other platforms it's on are gone. And now it's just a brand new, 180,000 word book, uh, with, with no reviews for five 99 and then I can do that the normal way, but why not play with it for a couple of months and see what it does.

Speaker 7:                    36:40                Yeah. And you've got a third book in progress.

Speaker 6:                    36:45                If this goes well, I'll do a third book. I'd be foolish not to you. You of course you want to, you want to follow success with, with more of the same until people get sick of you. Um, but the, the other interesting thing I'm doing right now if we have some time

Speaker 7:                    37:01                is do we have some time? Yeah. I've got about three minutes to ask my wife. Three minutes is all I need. Go ahead.

Speaker 6:                    37:12                Last year I did a newsletter swap, which I organized and I got a couple best selling author buddies and said, look, you promote my free book in your newsletter to your subscribers, upper vote, promote your free book in my newsletter. And those work really well because you're reaching a lot of people

Speaker 6:                    37:32                and these people aren't necessarily aware of you, but they are engaged readers. People who sign up for newsletters are engaged. They want to know about deals, right? And if it's a writer who's writing in a similar genre, then why not tell your fans, hey, you know, there's this, this Guy Kevin and I really love to stuff and he's got a free book. Why not try it out? So I tried this last year and it worked well. You know, we all got on that path 106 sales lists for, for both paid and for free. And then I wrote, Lorena took a year of my life and I didn't do anything. I kind of disappeared into my little writer's cave. And then this year came around and I'm thinking about how to promote Laurie and I thought, there's gotta be a way to do this better. Then doing a swap. So I've got about 20 big authors together and I said to them, you want to all do a swap, but we can't do individual books because if you, or a subscriber to my newsletter and you got an email and it had 20 separate book covers in it with 20 in it, right?

Speaker 6:                    38:36                You're going to, you're not gonna even get to the last one. You're going to be like, okay, I'll try that one. Maybe I'll try that one. I'll try that one. I don't know. I don't think that'd be very effective because if you're going to do a swap to keep it under five Walters, but in this case I thought, what if there's a landing page? Right? So I bought the URLs, www.free thriller books that come and free thriller, ebooks.com and I made a page for that and I've got, it's still in Beta stage. You've got all the book covers listed on the site and then you've got a button that says add all to Amazon cart.

Speaker 7:                    39:16                Nice.

Speaker 6:                    39:18                Okay, so now I send out a newsletter and I don't have to put 20 links in it. I put one link free thriller, ebooks.com and I sent it out to my fans and say, I've got a free book around here. And so to 19 other authors and they're awesome. Check them out. And then they go and rather than shop, they been just press the button, buy them all. And you've got them all. Of course, every other author also was sending out to their newsletter lists. Yeah. So if you've got a, a good newsletter list of 10 or 20 or 30,000 people, and then you have other authors who have 10 or 20 or 30,000 people that subscribed to their list and you get 20 of them together. Yeah. You're reaching a lot of people. You're reaching no whole bunch of people. Yeah. So that's what I'm trying on the 21st of June.

Speaker 7:                    40:09                It's a novel approach. Uh, Joe, I've seen approaches similar to this and in fact I've participated in some that put everything on a landing page. That part is not new, but this idea of add them all to the cart. That is a, that is pretty impressive.

Speaker 6:                    40:27                Smart. What was wonderful about the landing page too is it's not just we're promoting it in our newsletters. It's great if you and I did a swap, your newsletter readers get to see me, my newsletter readers get to see you lead. We've maybe doubled our, our, our views in this case with 20 people you've got 20 times, but also because there is a URL for the landing page, there's free thriller, ebooks.com we can all promote it online, Twitter, uh, Facebook on blogs. Okay. Instagram, Pinterest, Reddit, tumbler, you can do this and all of that. And it just doesn't have to be the authors doing that. I've got 15,000 Twitter followers when I say, hey, a thriller, ebooks.com some of them are going to retweet and to their followers and maybe some of them will retweet. So it's more than just a newsletter. It's also the potential of reaching a lot more people than just our newsletters. Right,

Speaker 7:                    41:31                right. Yeah. Then you extend your reach. They extend their rehab. Now that's very smart, man. I'm a, I'm fully on board and we'll be hitting you up, uh, directly after we stop recording. Absolutely. You should. And not leave that.

Speaker 6:                    41:47                The website is changeable. Yeah. So it can be cheap. Thriller, ebooks.com where all the books are on sale for 99 cents during a promo. It could be cheap horror, ebooks free or books free romance books.

Speaker 7:                    42:03                I like, I like where you're going with all of it

Speaker 6:                    42:07                and we all have it under controlling. It's free, it's free. You don't have to pay hundreds of dollars to a service to send it out. And I love those services, but I have to be picked for them. Sometimes. You're not.

Speaker 7:                    42:18                I, I have a, I have a real hangup with having to beg somebody to take my money. It just doesn't sit well with me. So bookbub, I love bookbub. I can, I can attribute a lot of my success to bookbub. Sure. But I avoid it if I can, because I, I'd rather get, I'd rather get more organic traffic so that I'm not begging somebody to take my dollars.

Speaker 6:                    42:41                When when you have that power, you have the ability to pick and choose and ultimately that's better for everybody. Yeah. Uh, it's unfortunate. Yeah. It's exclusive. Exclusionary. Yeah. No, don't get me wrong, but it's better because they're getting the Creme de la creme of the books that have already been vetted. And so their readers, the people who subscribe to their list, of which I'm one of them, I know that I'm getting vetted books. They're like a gatekeeper, right. Become a gatekeeper.

Speaker 7:                    43:08                Well, W but we specifically got into this business to avoid gatekeepers. There's nothing wrong with vetting, and it really is about the readers and the biggest benefit of a book funnel and a book funnel. Bookbub and services like that, um, is that book funnel. I love brick wall too. I've had Damon on the show. He lives about a mile away from me. He's a great guy. Um,

Speaker 6:                    43:38                he comes over to drink all the time.

Speaker 7:                    43:40                No, he doesn't drink. He's, he's a freak of nature in the, in the writing world.

Speaker 6:                    43:47                This is, this is 30 year old macallan

Speaker 7:                    43:49                right here I have a I and it's not 30 year old Avalon, 18 year old macallan in the other room. Not as good. But uh,

Speaker 6:                    43:56                oh I can't even remember the last time I had an 18 year old in my mouth.

Speaker 7:                    43:59                Yeah. And on that note we're going to go ahead. This is coffee. It's cold brew coffee. I just looked at your old macallan. Jesus. Is that, is that Conrad Money? I to spend it on bookbub. Ended up throwing back 30 years. He's got the life bathroom. We

Speaker 6:                    44:29                can make this a two part or Kevin, I'm having fun.

Speaker 7:                    44:32                Uh, what, that's very tempting but I got to, I got something else coming up, but I would love to have you on again. No, no, nope. I knew, I knew I was going to blow my one. I'm not even gonna promote this when this goes live. You wouldn't be the first. Um, so, all right man. We're going to go and wrap it up though. So tell, tell everybody where they can find out all this glory that you've talked about online.

Speaker 6:                    45:03                The easiest thing is to just Google Jack Daniels

Speaker 7:                    45:08                and you'll eventually get a link to me. Is that true?

Speaker 6:                    45:13                Yeah. Write a series about Jack Daniel's and Jack Daniel's books to make it a little,

Speaker 7:                    45:17                there you go. A little bit more specific and you don't have to remember who I am. By the way, have they ever asked you, have they ever talked to you at all? Okay, we got that. Go ahead. So way back when I first

Speaker 6:                    45:29                got it, got my first deal, I got a letter from the Jack Daniels P oh, their legal team that said, we are, uh, we have just heard that you have a series featuring or a character named Jack Daniels. Uh, we are very honored by that, but we would like to make sure there's a brand distinction. So if you wouldn't mind, can you please put a disclaimer in the book saying that we're not affiliated? It was the nicest legal letter ever written by, by anybody because it was polite. It asked, it didn't make demands. There was no, we're going to sue you. So I was like, yeah, I'm, you know, I'm a fan of the brand. Obviously it's a damn good Tennessee sip and whiskey. And of course I did that. No problem. My publisher had no problem doing that too. Still couple years later, somebody else wrote a book with Jack Daniel's in the title and they got the exact same letter I got, but at this point the Internet and social media was in full swing. You know, back in 2003 when I got this letter and now it's now it's the 2000 tens and they posted this letter and it went viral and they sell eight. They sold a shit ton of their book because they posted this letter, this Genteel, beautiful, can you please do this for us? A demand. And it was a demand from Jack gainers and I'm thinking, Shit, why did I post that letter? Hundreds of thousands,

Speaker 7:                    47:07                that stupid letter, it's not too late, I believe. I don't know. I was just thinking, you know, I would do the disclaimer, but I would word it as a, the fine people at Jack Daniels, I disclaim this. Basically, it's just an endorsement at that point. Hardly endorsed Jack Daniel's. Terrific. I'm big fan of gentleman, Jack. I like a gentleman. Jack's nice and smooth. That's my try to Sinatra select. Yes, I have seen it. I didn't know if it was going to be worth the hundred bucks. You've twisted my arm. It wasn't hard. Anyway, drink more. You and I need to do that together. I know I got other guests coming, man. I had a respect for them. I have, I'm going to, I'm sitting here thinking, can I, can I text them now? Now they're all good. They're all begging for more. All right man. Stick around for a second

Speaker 3:                    48:24                there. You're probably hearing the Groovy Burbage music you made dancing place at will and if you stick around I'll share something fascinating on the other side of the break. Uh, but Joe, thank you so much for being a part of the show, man. Thank you Brandon. All right, see you later everybody. Hey, how are you doing on money? I know it's a touchy subject, but uh, I got some that may help you out. See I'm using an app called acorns and it helps me manage some investing. Uh, put some money back, get a little interest. It's Kinda nice to watch my money grow. So I want to share that with you. Go to Kevin tumlinson.com/acorns and you'll get some free money. See you there. Oh, I hope you got a lot out of the interview with Joe Conrad. I know I did. Uh, uh, not only did I, uh, learn a few things, things

Speaker 1:                    49:21                from his talk, I managed to a kind of a pickup, a promotion that was very useful to me and hopefully a relationship that's going to benefit me and Joe going forward. So a green interview. So let's jump into this week's news. I got a couple of items I think you'll find interesting. This first one comes from scripts blog. Uh, headline is introducing scripts, snapshots, a new way to discover the best nonfiction books. Uh, this is an interesting thing. It's been popping up all over the place and, uh, I'm only kind of just learning about it and figuring it out, but, uh, it is intriguing. Uh, from there post it says we're excited to introduce new, uh, introduced snapshots and new content offering that helps readers discover nonfiction books on Scribd. The literary literary equivalent of a movie trailer snapshots are created by script and designed to offer key insights of a book in about 15 minutes to spark subscriber's interest in reading the book in its entirety.

Speaker 1:                    50:22                Snapshots are available exclusively on Scribd in both text and audio format. And with the script membership, this is an interesting kind of thing. I mean, I, I know what they're going for here. Um, I don't know if this is going to apply to like everything in there, a nonfiction library. I kind of doubt it. Uh, they're probably gonna pick some, uh, bestsellers that are out there. Um, but I, I am interested to see where they go with this, uh, moving forward now. Right now. Um, you know, the only way to do this I believe is if you are going to script directly. I, I don't really have a lot of details on how long it takes to get into the program, but I think it's something that all of us should start paying attention to. Um, and uh, you know, there, it's meant to help the readers, honestly, um, as a nonfiction reader.

Speaker 1:                    51:14                So you're going into nonfiction to learn something and this would be a great way to sort of, you know, help a reader to sign on what to read next, especially if you're, you know, you're going to typically be pretty busy. Um, this is a way to get a little preview of a nonfiction book so that you can, uh, determine whether or not that's going to be, it's going to work for what your objectives are. So pretty impressive. Um, I'm going to be looking into that a little further, um, down the road. So just kind of see how it shapes up and it's giving me some ideas, by the way, for some, uh, something similar.

Speaker 1:                    51:52                What can I say? That's just a, the way things work. Uh, next up, a p calls for closer regulation of Amazon and Google. Uh, now this is, this is something, frankly, it's interesting that this is even necessary, but in today's world, uh, social media sites, big tech sites, they are, um, kind of imposing their will on people. Now, this kind of follows on the heels of a, some things that are happening with like youtube content creators of all kinds, really, uh, where the big tech companies may be clamping down a on them. But let me read, let me read from the article. The Association of American publishers, AAP is calling on US authorities to more closely regulate dominant online firms such as Amazon warning, they risk causing quote, irreparable damage unquote to creative industries. Um, I'll read the next set to, cause this is this, this will help explain this a little better, but you know, filing with the federal trade commission over, it's recent, it's recent on, well, they've missed a word or something here on competition and consumer protection.

Speaker 1:                    52:59                The AAP stressed big tech platforms exercise extraordinary market power in the markets for books, book distribution and Internet search. Um, so what's happening is, you know, these, these tech companies are, uh, kind of using their muscle and might as private platforms to dictate what content can be promoted, what, you know, what content appears to people. Um, and uh, and also with, in the case of like Amazon, you know, they're, they kinda dictate terms as well. Um, this list line who will help blue 12 page filing highlighted the market power of Amazon and Google threats to competition, non transparency of algorithms and the linking of distribution services to advertising. Uh, the, uh, the AAP actually stays, no publisher can avoid distributing through Amazon. And for all intents and purposes, Amazon dictates the economic terms with publishers paying more for Amazon services each year and receiving less in return.

Speaker 1:                    54:03                This is, uh, an ongoing problem and this is not just, it's not just limited to Amazon and Google. I mean, this is happening a on basically every big tech platform. They are starting to, um, basically control the content and control how that content can be marketed and control how much money can flow through, you know, the control, what you can charge for things. Uh, this is a little bit of an unfair system all around, especially for content creators. I mentioned the whole youtube thing. Uh, you know, Youtube and Twitter and, uh, a lot of companies out there, youtube basically, there was an email leaked recently, um, in which they were, and I'm not gonna get political about this, I'm just letting you know this happened. Um, but they were discussing internally how to block content from certain conservative content creators, ways to tweak the algorithm so that, that those conservatives and any controversial youtubers that they didn't, you know, care for their content wouldn't appear as often in searches.

Speaker 1:                    55:06                Um, it would still be there. It could, it still could appear, but it would get less promotion, less attention, and basically, you know, they're using their platform to suppress speech. Um, now you, whatever your beliefs are about, um, you know, this is, these are privately owned companies. They have the right to do whatever they want with, uh, with their services block, whatever content they want or whatever. Uh, this suit from the AAP or this nice suit, this, this plea from the AAP to us, law makers ties in with this idea. Um, how, how much control should these companies have over the content that goes onto their sites. Now, there are already laws in place that, that are supposed to protect these companies from the content itself. So if someone says something controversial, uh, says something inflammatory uses, he says something that incites violence. For example, on a youtube video, uh, Google can't be sued for that content.

Speaker 1:                    56:03                Um, but the sort of flip side of this is Google may say, uh, we're not going to allow anybody that has an opinion different than ours to post content. And that sounds extreme, but it's happening. Uh, that sort of thing is happening. Um, now what the, this AAP plea is all about a to you as law makers is more about controlling the costs and of doing business with the services, the prices, you know, Amazon may dictate prices to these people. Uh, the book industry kind of went through this already. Traditional publishing sued, uh, Amazon for the right to keep their prices. At what they wanted them to be. Amazon was more than happy by the way, to let this go, to let them control their prices. Uh, because they started pricing themselves out of certain categories basically. I mean, they, they're, they're uh, they went crazy and started charging like, you know, $20 for an ebook or something or charging more for ebooks than they charged for print books.

Speaker 1:                    57:07                Um, and then pointing to that, that data to say that, you know, ebook sales are on the decline and that this trend is finally over and what they're proving by that is anybody's guess. But these are the things that have been happening. So, um, so a lot of this, this is all big stuff. This is all stuff we need to be paying attention to. Cause there, there are real world consequences to consider in all of this that go well beyond just making money by selling books. There are connotations, uh, that you know, is in terms of our, uh, freedoms in the u s especially a freedom of speech in particular a constitutional rights or civil rights, that sort of thing. So this is a, this is all, all this stuff, this time together and the right to do business, you know, the right to control our business, uh, is tied with this.

Speaker 1:                    57:58                You know, Amazon in particular has a lot of control over our lives and a lot of control over our businesses and that they shut you down. You know, if Amazon and Google decide they're not gonna allow you to do business on their platforms anymore, what can you do? And there goes, most of most of the world, there goes your business worldwide. So anyway, those are the things that are happening in the news right now. You can find links to all of that in the show notes. This episode, uh, episode one 91. It works on your podcast.com. Go check it out and let me know what you think. Maybe I'm wrong and stuff. Tell me, tell me how wrong I am popping the comments and letting me know. But, um, anyway, beyond that, hope you're enjoying the word, your podcast. Remember to subscribe, go to iTunes, stitcher, Google play anywhere you're finding this podcast.

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Speaker 3:                    59:22                got something truly useful, inspirational, something inspirational, informative, educational, or entertaining out of this episode. And, uh, hope you have a wonderful weekend ahead. God bless you. I'll see you all next time.

Speaker 4:                    59:40                [inaudible]

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Rank #4: WPC-120 - The Very Necessary Life of Kristine Kathryn Rusch

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KRISTINE KATHRYN RUSCH
AUTHOR OF THE RUNABOUT

New York Times, Wall Street Journal, and USA Today Bestselling writer, Kristine Kathryn Rusch, blogs on the publishing industry every Thursday at her website kriswrites.com. She writes science fiction, mystery, fantasy, mystery, and romance as Rusch, noir mystery as Kris Nelscott, and fractured fairy tale romances as Kristine Grayson. Her novel, A Dangerous Road written as Kris Nelscott, is in development as a feature film. She also runs several companies, including a publishing company. She works and occasionally sleeps, surrounded by the obligatory writer's cats, in Oregon. 

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Rank #5: WPC-121 - Who's Afraid of the Big, Bad Data with Brian Meeks

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BRIAN MEEKS
AUTHOR THE PROSPEROUS WRITER'S GUIDE TO MAKING MORE MONEY

Brian D. Meeks is a full-time author who resides in Iowa when he’s not traveling. He writes across mystery, thriller, YA, science fiction, and humor/satire fiction genres. He has a degree in Economics from Iowa State University only because they didn’t offer Snarkology, his preferred major. Seven years as a data analyst in the auto insurance industry gave him the skills that have been key to his success in marketing his books and finding an audience. He really likes it when people send him pictures of their cats or guinea pigs. 

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Rank #6: WPC-116 - Writing Into the Dark with Dean Wesley Smith

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DEAN WESLEY SMITH
AUTHOR OF WRITING INTO THE DARK

Dean Wesley Smith is a bestselling author with over 21 million books in print. He is considered one of the most prolific writers working in modern fiction and has written just about everything. Seriously. 

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Rank #7: WPC-145 - Explosive Author Marketing with Jonny Andrews

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JONNY ANDREWS
FOUNDER OF AUTHOR PLATFORM ROCKET

With over 15 years in online marketing experience Jonny Andrews has been in digital publishing before Amazon released the Kindle.

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Draft2Digital Announces Author Pages and Book Tabs D2D started 2018 by announcing we were going to focus on beefing up our offering at Books2Read.com, and by paying particular attention to tools that will help with author discoverability. To that end, we just announced our new discoverability tools: D2D Author Pages and D2D Book Tabs. These two new resources will showcase both the author and the author’s work (books that is) to new and existing readers. Think of Author Pages as either your author-themed web presence, if you don’t have an author website, or as your book store for your existing site. Book Tabs are product pages that give readers everything they need to make their book buying decision, including a link that sends them to everywhere your book is sold online. These tools are incredible, and you can learn more about them on the official blog post, now with more video walk-thrus! — http://bit.ly/WPC145-D2DAuthorPages

Digital Manga Overtakes Print Manga, which no one ever seems to be able to pronounce correctly, is hugely popular worldwide, but particularly in Japan. And for the first time, digital sales of manga have outpaced print sales. Digital sales were up 17.2% from the previous year, versus print sales falling 14.4% over last year’s numbers. What makes this interesting is that manga is currently underserved in digital markets. As the rise in popularity starts to indicate a shift in interest from consumers, this could lead to opportunities for some willing and able digital publishers out there. Notably, Amazon’s Comixology acquisition could lead to its dominance in yet another digital publishing field. — http://bit.ly/WPC145-Digital-Manga

No room for pirates in Switzerland When you think of Switzerland, you think of pirates. No? You probably should, because internet piracy is huge in Switzerland, and impacts a lot of authors. The Swiss Federal Supreme Court is considering dialing back on its previous 2010 decision, which barred anti-piracy agencies from having access to the IP addresses of file servers used by internet pirates. The original ruling made Switzerland something of a safe harbor for pirates, but it also landed Switzerland on the US government’s watchlist, which is sometimes used to limit commerce with Swiss businesses online. Changes to the Swiss policy, which I’ll admit has some holes (heh), could help crack down on one of the biggest thorns in the sides of authors. — http://bit.ly/WPC145-Switzerland-Piracy

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Rank #8: WPC-104 - Better eBook Marketing with Tom Corson-Knowles

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TOM CORSON-KNOWLES
AUTHOR OF THE KINDLE PUBLISHING BIBLE

Tom Corson-Knowles is the international bestselling author of The Kindle Publishing Bible and 26 other books. He is also the founder of EBookPublishingSchool.com, a free self-publishing training course for authors, and TCK Publishing, an independent book publisher that specializes in publishing and marketing ebooks, print books and audiobooks online. 

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Rank #9: WPC-105 - Writing SciFi and Fantasy with Maggie Hogarth

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MAGGIE "M.C.A" HOGARTH
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Daughter of two Cuban political exiles, M.C.A. Hogarth was born a foreigner in the American melting pot and has had a fascination for the gaps in cultures and the bridges that span them ever since. She has been many things—web database architect, product manager, technical writer and massage therapist—but is currently a full-time parent, artist, writer and anthropologist to aliens, both human and otherwise. She's also in her second term as Vice President of SFWA (The Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America). 

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Rank #10: WPC-112 - Going Global with Joanna Penn

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JOANNA PENN
CO-AUTHOR OF AMERICAN DEMON HUNTERS: SACRIFICE

Joanna Penn is a New York Times and USA Today bestselling author of thrillers under J.F.Penn. She also writes inspirational non-fiction for authors and is an award-winning creative entrepreneur and international professional speaker. Her site, TheCreativePenn.com is regularly voted one of the top 10 sites for writers and self-publishers.

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Rank #11: WPC-128 - The Multifaceted Life of Mary Robinette Kowal

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MARY ROBINETTE KOWAL
AUTHOR OF GHOST TALKERS

Mary Robinette Kowal is the author of historical fantasy novels: Ghost Talkers, and The Glamourist Histories series. She is also a three time Hugo Award winner. Her short fiction appears in Uncanny, Tor.com, and Asimov’s. Mary, a professional puppeteer, lives in Chicago.

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Rank #12: WPC-133 - You can't edit a blank page with Chuck Manley

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CHUCK MANLEY
AUTHOR OF THE PARAGONS TRILOGY

C.Steven Manley has been and done quite a few things in his life. Now, he writes books and tries in vain to keep up with his children. 

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Rank #13: WPC-147 - Freewriting with Adam Leeb

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ADAM LEEB
CO-FOUNDER OF ASTROHAUS

Adam Leeb is the Cofounder of Astrohaus, the makers of the Freewrite Distraction-Free writing tool. He is a product designer and mechanical engineer (MIT graduate)

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THIS WEEK’S INDIE PUBLISHING NEWS:

Bezos Reveals Amazon Prime has 100M Members — In Amazon’s annual shareholder letter, CEO Jeff Bezos gave the typical call for the company to live up to “ever-rising customer expectations,” and touting Amazon’s high standards at every level. The letter also contained some interesting news in the form of information that all the world has wondered about: Just how many subscribers does Amazon Prime have? The number, as it turns out, is 100 million. Meaning Amazon not only makes around $9.9-billion per year on the service, it also has the eyes of a hundred million vetted customers, willing to spend even more money with the retail giant. I’m not sure what to do with this knowledge, now that I have it. But I’m impressed, Jeff. *slow clap* — http://bit.ly/147-Bezos

ALLi is Betting on Blockchain — If you’ve followed news about Bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency, then you may have some vague knowledge of what “bitcoin” and “cryptocurrency” mean. And you might also have heard of Blockchain. The idea, in the simplest terms, is that blockchain is a sort of digital ledger for transactions made with cryptocurrencies, like bitcoin. If that didn’t clear anything up, think of it as a more or less foolproof way to do a digital transaction, much more in line with the way you’d do a physical transaction. In other words, if I pay for your physical book, you get your money and I get the book. I can’t then replicate the book with a few mouse clicks and resell it, keeping the original and maybe repeating the process. Blockchain would effectively prevent anyone from being able to sell a digital version of your book, without at least giving up their digital version. It’s a way to make digital products more like their physical counterparts. And the Alliance of Independent Authors sees this as a great way to give authors a more complete ownership of their intellectual property, allowing authors to have more control, and be less dependent on giants such as Amazon KDP. They’re calling it Self Publishing 3.0, and they’ve released a white paper that gives the full details.  — http://bit.ly/147-blockchain

Amazon Wins First Arbitration — In September 2017 Amazon filed for arbitration against at least five authors and businesses accused of violating Amazon’s terms of service, essentially scamming the system to make quite a bit of money. Amazon has won the first of these arbitrations, against a British business owner. Amazon has asked the court to enter judgement in line with the January award issued by American Arbitration Association. Jake Drya, the UK business owner, is ordered to pay damages after arbitration determined he knowingly manipulated KDP, violating their TOS. Dryan’s business was doing crazy stuff, including publishing duplicates of books that were already available, using bots to increase page views. All of which violates Amazon’s TOS.— http://bit.ly/147-Amazon

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Rank #14: WPC-142 - Author anywhere with Michael La Ronn

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MICHAEL LA RONN
AUTHOR OF OLD DARK

Michael La Ronn is the author of over 30 science fiction & fantasy books including the Android X series, Modern Necromancy series, and the Galaxy Mavericks series. He writes from the great plains of Iowa and has perfected the art of balancing writing with a full-time job and family, writing 5-7 books per year.

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THIS WEEK’S INDIE PUBLISHING NEWS:

Offset printing for indie authors? Indies have risen to success thanks to a handful of technologies that make their work more accessible to readers, from ebooks to publishing on demand. Now, writer Joel Friedlander thinks that the future for Indies will include access to a technology that has traditionally been more … well … traditional. Is offset printing the future of indie authors? Friedlander thinks so. The tech is becoming increasingly available and accessible, which means some adventurous indie publishers are reaching out to use it, more and more. Of course, 99% of people, to completely make up a number, can’t tell the difference between offset and laser printing without studying both very closely, side by side. So is it worth the extra cost? Or will the cost come down to something affordable for everyone?  https://www.thebookdesigner.com/2018/02/offset-printing-future-indie-authors/

Washington Post is Evolving the Bestseller List — It’s been a complaint for Indies since day one: Bestseller lists often refuse to include sales results from sources such as Amazon.com, where ebook sales could skyrocket some lesser known and unknown authors well past traditionally published giants. The Washington Post is the first to recognize this for the error that it is. They’re revamping their bestseller list to include data not just from Bookscan, but from Amazon as well. What will this mean for indie authors? Are lists still relevant? https://lunch.publishersmarketplace.com/2018/02/washington-post-revamps-bestsellers-becomes-amazoned/

Book Marks could be the Rotten Tomatoes for literature  — Literary Hub is launching a new section for their site, called Book Marks, that is aimed at helping readers “find books they will love by giving them access to the critical discourse that is an essential part of our ecosystem.” That from John Freeman, LitHub’s executive editor. In other words, Book Marks will aggregate reviews from all over the web, and crowdsource readers to improve on recommendations. Will this help new and unknown authors reach a new audience? Or will it just end in tears and gnashing of teeth for everyone? http://www.independentpublisher.com/article.php?page=2075&urltitle=Literary%20Hub%20Launches%20a%20New%20Book%20Review%20Aggregator%20Site%20BOOK%20MARKS

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Rank #15: Ask for what you want with bestselling thriller author James Rollins

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James Rollins is the author of the bestselling Sigma Force series Sandstorm, Map of Bones, Black Order, The Judas Strain, The Last Oracle, The Doomsday Key, The Devil Colony, Bloodline, The Eye of God, The 6th Extinction, The Seventh Plague, and The Demon Crown; six individual adventure thrillers; the blockbuster movie novelization, Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull; the Tucker Wayne Series; the Order of the Sanguines Series; and the Jake Ransom middle grade series. The fourteenth Sigma Force Adventure, Crucible, debuts January 8th, 2019.

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Website:: http://www.jamesrollins.com

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Facebook:: https://www.facebook.com/sigmaforce

YouTube Channel:: https://www.youtube.com/user/authorjamesrollins/videos

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Apr 26 2019

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Rank #16: WPC-168 - Your Career as Writing Inspiration with George Mercer

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For more than three decades George Mercer worked as a national park warden in Canada, including both east and west coasts, the North and the Rocky Mountains. For eight of those years, George worked as a Park Warden and Monitoring Ecologist in Gulf Islands National Park Reserve, British Columbia. George continues to be passionate about parks and protected areas, weaving elements of mystery and suspense into Dyed In The Green, the first fiction series about Canada’s iconic national parks.

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Twitter Handle:: @egeorgemercer
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Jan 18 2019

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Rank #17: WPC-171 - Short fiction with Dylan Powell

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William Dylan Powell is an award-winning author who writes crime stories, mystery fiction and books about Texas. He lives in Houston. Powell's work has been featured in Ellery Queen's Mystery Magazine, Alfred Hitchcock's Mystery Magazine, the Best American Mysteries 2018 and a host of fine truck stop bathroom walls across the Texas badlands.

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Website:: www.texasmischief.com

Amazon Author page:: https://www.amazon.com/William-Dylan-Powell/e/B001JP89AI

Twitter Handle:: @texasmischief

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THIS EPISODE OF THE WORDSLINGER PODCAST IS SPONSORED BY:
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Support us on Patreon: https://patreon.com/wordslingerpodcast

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Feb 08 2019

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Rank #18: Social Media is BS with B.J. Mendelson

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B.J. Mendelson is a world-renowned speaker and author of the cult-classic, "Social Media Is Bullshit" from St. Martin's Press. He is also a comic book writer and author of the new book, "Privacy: And How We Get It Back" from Curious Reads.

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Website(s): http://www.bjmendelson.com
Twitter handle(s): @BJMendelson
Amazon Author page: https://www.amazon.com/B-J-Mendelson/e/B007P6TQLG/

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THIS EPISODE OF THE WORDSLINGER PODCAST IS SPONSORED BY:
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Pick something up to read that will be tough to put down—Archeological Thrillers, Science Fiction, YA Fantasy and more, at https://kevintumlinson.com/books

Apr 19 2019

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Rank #19: WPC-113 - Writing in the Margins with Shivani Bhargava

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SHIVANI BHARGAVA
CEO & FOUNDER OF THE RIGHT MARGIN

Shivani Bhargava is the CEO & Founder of TheRightMargin, a goal-driven writing app that helps you finish what you write. Bay Area born, Boston bred, Shivani has spent most of her professional life in health tech. After being the product manager of PatientsLikeMe in Cambridge, MA, she moved back to CA in 2014 and immediately caught the startup bug. 

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Website(s): https://www.therightmargin.com

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Facebook: https://business.facebook.com/therightmargin

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May 05 2017

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Rank #20: WPC-102 - The Portable Life with Kevin Tumlinson

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KEVIN TUMLINSON
AUTHOR OF THE COELHO MEDALLION

RV life has its ups and downs, and there can be times when even the most enthusiastic RVer wants to chuck in the towel. But the recent lifestyle change that Kevin and his wife, Kara, have embarked on are about more than just the place they call home—they're about changing the very nature of who they are. Join Kevin in this special Wordslinger Podcast episode, and pick up a few tips and tricks about the RV life.

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Amazon Author page: https://www.amazon.com/Kevin-Tumlinson/e/B007POXGEG/

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Dec 09 2016

46mins

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