Rank #1: PK 002: Satchel Winn on how she gets commissions from online communities
Satchell Winn goes deep on the topic of getting private art commissions from online communities and forums.
Apr 28 2014
Rank #2: PK 177: Becoming a Children's Book Illustrator - Interview With Matt B Lewis.
Show Notes at: https://www.pencilkings.com/podcast-home/
“You have to be true to yourself, you have to have 100% commitment. If you’re gonna do it, you’ve just gotta do it. You can’t half hit the mark.” ~ Matt B Lewis.
Becoming a children’s book illustrator is a dream for many artists, but how can you turn this dream into reality and actually make a decent living from it?
In this week’s podcast, Australian children’s book illustrator, Matt B Lewis, reveals how he eventually decided to take the plunge and go freelance after 18 years as a civil servant - a totally unrelated career.
Although he never went to art school, Matt has always drawn every single day. And, one day in 2017, he decided to see if he really could turn his hobby into a viable career.
Having enrolled in the Illustration Lighthouse program in September 2016, he’d already realized how important it is to find the one thing you love doing most and concentrate on that.
So that’s exactly what he did. And, by October, he’d already written, illustrated and published his first book, Monsters in the Garden - a gift to his young daughter.
Another picture book for his son followed in February 2017, by which time Matt felt ready to start taking his new creative career to the next stage.
But how exactly did he go about doing this? You’ll find out in this week’s inspiring podcast interview.
Highlights From This Podcast:
- Why being self-taught needn’t be a barrier to your art career
- Why concentrating on the one thing you love doing most is so important
- How to find out about networking events in your local area
- Why determination and putting yourself out there are key factors in your success
- Why having a portfolio to show to prospective clients is crucial
- How to study and develop your skills as an artist
- How to quit the day job and finally start doing what you’ve always wanted to do.
Jan 17 2018
Rank #3: PK 115: How YOU Can Become a Great Artist in Just 2 Years
There's an art school out there that has been nicknamed 'The Charles Xavier School for Gifted Artists' and today we talk with its founder, Kevin Murphy.
Some of his students have, quite literally, gone from drawing stickmen to becoming accomplished artists in under 2 years.
Why are his methods so effective? Because they simplify the drawing process down to the core essence of observation, and put 100% of the responsibility for learning onto the students themselves.
Kevin doesn't hold back on any of his techniques in this blockbuster interview. So if you have been wondering how to approach your drawings, or even if you have what it takes to become a great artist, you'll find plenty of inspiration here.
Because, as Kevin himself says: "Great artists aren't born - they're taught."
Nov 09 2016
Rank #4: PK 184: From starting to pro level art in 7 months - what?!
Kristen's college professor told her she couldn't draw and after 10 years of believing that lie, she was inspired by the idea of showing her own work at an art convention.
The only problem was that she was starting literally from the beginning.
To get started with her art, she joined several different online courses and programs but kept running into the same problem...
The courses she was trying to learn from were too far ahead of where she needed to be. She lacked the foundation that would allow her to move forward and access the knowledge in the courses.
So she kept going backward to uncover the simplest techniques that would allow her to truly start right from the absolute beginning and in doing so realized the real first step she needed was learning how to hold the pencil.
About the same time as she had this realization to go back to the very beginning she began hearing about the Evolve program which promised to teach everything an aspiring art student would need - even how to hold the pencil.
But committing to something like this can be scary - unless you have one key insight that has been such a big part of Kristen moving so quickly through the program.
So what's Kristen's secret?
She knew that she could put in the work. If learning art came down to talent or having a special gift then it wouldn't work for her - but if all she had to do was follow the plan; she knew Evolve was something she could do.
After joining she got to work and has been handing in assignment after assignment, moving through the program without any hint of slowing down.
Just to give you an idea of how quickly she's been moving here's Kristen's timeline:
January: Got inspired by the desire to create work for an art convention March: Joined online courses and realized she needed to go back to discover a true starting point May: Joined Evolve and got busy December: Now working on professional level techniques and paintings
That's only 7 months from starting the program to now working on her first professional level pieces... all beginning with learning how to first hold the pencil and then applying herself every day to continue moving forward to her goal.
Dec 19 2018
Rank #5: PK 173: How to Make the Art You Really WANT to Make
Show Notes at: https://www.pencilkings.com/podcast-home/
“If you’re painting the things that you are interested in, you’re probably going to have a better result than if you’re trying to satisfy what you think somebody else is expecting to see.” ~ David Palumbo.
Are you itching to learn how to make the art you want to make?
If you’re pursuing a creative career, putting together a portfolio which best represents your work can sometimes be tricky.
Should you add the personal projects where you felt like you were truly expressing yourself as an artist...or should you include the pieces you think potential clients want to see?
It’s a lesson that professional artist and illustrator, David Palumbo, learned early on in his career.
At the time, the trend in fantasy illustration was for highly-rendered detailed pieces, but there was just one problem…because that’s not the style David felt most comfortable working in.
And, after a prospective client gave David’s painting of a dragon some negative feedback, he had an important realization which would influence his entire career.
He decided to use his personal projects to explore the style of painting he enjoyed most...and he’s never looked back.
So, if you’re stuck in that awkward dilemma between making the art you really enjoy...or forcing yourself to produce something you think will be commercially successful, you’ll find lots of useful insights in this week’s interview to help you move forwards.
It’s a fascinating journey into the creative process, and a reminder that artists invariably produce their best work when they’re truly enjoying making it.
Highlights From This Interview:
- How to develop your own unique style through personal projects
- How to get back into making art after a hiatus
- Why using your spare time to prepare for the next project is so important
- Why working as a freelance artist isn’t for everyone
- Why networking with other artists is crucial to building a career as an artist
- Why you should never lose track of what really motivates you as an artist
- How not to let the market or clients dictate the kind of art you really want to make
Dec 20 2017
Rank #6: PK 024: Dwayne Vance talks about what happens when depression hits, how it affects your ability to be an artist, and what the road to recovery looks like.
Dwayne talks about what happens when depression hits, how it affects your ability to be an artist, and what the road to recovery looks like.
Sep 24 2014
Rank #7: PK 159: How to Become a Better Artist...in Just 4 Months!
Show notes at: https://www.pencilkings.com/podcast-home/
“With what I’ve produced at the Evolve Art Academy, I’m very confident I could submit a portfolio to a prestigious art school and get accepted. Because that’s how much progress I’ve had.” ~ Michelle Lopez.
Want to know how to become a better artist...but just don’t know where to start?
Whether you’re a complete beginner or someone who wants to take their art skills further, we think you’ll find this week’s interview pretty interesting…
Because you’re about to hear how Evolve Artist student, Michelle Lopez, went from being a novice artists to one who gets paid for portrait commissions...in just four months!
Introduction and Overview
Your host, Mitch Bowler, introduces today’s guest, Evolve Artist Student, Michelle Lopez. In this chapter, you’ll hear why listening to Kevin Murphy’s Pencil Kings podcast interview inspired her to quit her job as an IT consultant and enrol at The Art Academy...and how she made incredible progress during her time there.
Why did Michelle Want to Learn how to Become a Better Artist?
Deciding upon a change of career can be pretty daunting at any stage of your life, but even more so when you’re taking a leap into the complete unknown. So what made Michelle decide to swap repairing computers for becoming a realistic painter?
In this section, you’ll hear how Kevin Murphy’s art program helped her develop confidence in her abilities and make real progress as an artist.
Why did Michelle Think The Art Academy was Right for her?
Like many aspiring artists, Michelle had already tried various college courses and community art groups to help her develop her creative skills...but they’d all fallen flat. So what made her decide this course was right for her...and did it meet her expectations?
[08:27-08:49]How did Michelle Know This Course was Right for her?
Thinking something is right for you and knowing something is right for you are two very different things...so how long did it take for Michelle to realize she’d definitely made the right decision by enrolling in The Art Academy?
How far did Michelle Travel to Take This Course?
Enrolling at The Art Academy wasn’t exactly like joining a class at her local community college for Michelle. Instead, she had a 10-hour journey to make from her home to New Jersey before she could get started. So, what was this experience like for her?
What Were Michelle’s First Weeks Like at The Art Academy?
Starting something new can feel like a daunting experience, but the team at The Art Academy made Michelle feel welcome from the moment she walked through the door.
So what were her first few weeks studying with Kevin like? In this chapter, you’ll hear how she want from drawing basic shapes and learning shading techniques to creating a fully-rendered drawing in less than two weeks.
What Were the Beginner Exercises Like for Michelle?
Because Michelle had already had some art lessons, you might have thought the beginner lessons would be too basic for her.
However, she discovered that she’d actually missed out on learning many of these fundamentals in previous classes...and that learning to be meticulous and patient was one of the best ways to improve her art skills.
How Many Hours did Michelle Study for Each day?
Once you really get into making art, it’s amazing how the hours fly by without you noticing. So how many hours each day did Michelle dedicate to drawing and painting while at The Art Academy?
Michelle Worked Hard...but did she Enjoy Herself, too?
Hard work and enjoyment don’t always go hand in hand, but Michelle found she had a completely positive experience while pushing herself to improve as an artist. You’ll find out why in this section.
Were There Ever Times When she Wanted to Quit?
Even though she had a positive experience, there were times when Michelle felt the pressure and wanted to quit.
So how did she get over this? And how did Kevin and his team help her push through those roadblocks and make real progress?
Why is This Program so Effective?
Kevin Murphy’s art program has a 100% success rate. So what makes his methods so much more effective than all the others out there?
What was Michelle’s Study Schedule Like?
Michelle made incredible progress in less than four months at The Art Academy, but what was her study schedule like during this time?
How Much Progress did Michelle Make?
Michelle entered The Art Academy as a beginner artist and left with a portfolio of work which she’s confident would get her into the most prestigious art schools in the country. Find out how she did it in this chapter.
How do People React to Michelle’s Work now?
Some of Michelle’s friends and family were sceptical at first when she first told them she was going away for a while to study art.
So what are their reactions like now? In this chapter, you’ll hear why Michelle now feels she’s on the right path to develop her career as an artist and has even started taking commissions for her work.
What’s Next for Michelle?
So, with four months at the Art Academy under her belt, what’s next for Michelle? In this section, you’ll hear how she plans to develop her skills further and work on her art career.
What Does Michelle Think of the Evolve Artist Realistic Art Program?
Michelle left her home town for four months to study at The Art Academy, but this just isn’t practical for everyone. So that’s why Pencil Kings has teamed up with Kevin Murphy to create the Evolve Artist Realistic Art Program - a new way to study that incorporates all the elements of his art education from the comfort of your own home.
But does Michelle think this will be just as effective for other people who want to know how to become a better artist? In this chapter, you’ll find out why she’s also decided to join this program and where to see examples of her progress on Instagram.
How to Find out More About the Evolve Artist Program
Ready to find out more about how to become a better artist by joining the Evolve Artist Program? This final chapter contains everything you need to know.
Sep 13 2017
Rank #8: PK 037: Thinking of starting a creative business? Comic artist Derek Rodenbeck walks us through the mental game of starting a t-shirt company.
Thinking of starting a creative business? Listen to the first steps that comic book artist Derek Rodenbeck is taking to get his t-shirt company off the ground.
Apr 15 2015
Rank #9: PK 128: Are you a Creative Introvert?
Are you a creative introvert? Today we look at how this affects you in social settings, and then go deep on what this means to your art and how you can work around any limitations that you might have. This is a very fascinating conversation that goes into the experiences that Cat and Mitch have both had with working with creative people to uncover the things that are holding you back.
00:00 - 01:18: Introduction
Cat Rose explains the idea behind www.thecreativeintrovert.com and how she drew on her own experiences as a creative introvert to help others.
01:19 - 03:23: Which Mindset Issues Make You a Creative Introvert?
Cat reveals the roadblocks she faced when she decided to swap her career as a web designer for a freelance career as an illustrator. Are you a creative introvert, too? Then you'll probably recognize many of the issues she talks about.
05:03 - 05:44: How can you Become More Aware of Your Energy Levels When Networking and Promoting Your art?
As an artist, you'll probably already know when the best times to work are. But what about the business side of promoting yourself to others? In this part of the interview, you'll learn how to get stuff done...without burning out.
05:48 - 09:04: What Were Cat's First 6 Months as a Freelance Illustrator Like?
Cat didn't find the going was easy when she decided to become a freelance illustrator. In this section, she gives her honest advice to anyone thinking of going down this route...and how to diversify and adapt if things don't quite go to plan.
10:40 - 11:30: The Tough Medicine You Might Have to Swallow as a Creative
After a while, Cat decided to concentrate on her site instead of being an illustrator. Find out why this part of her interview.
11:32 - 13:40: What has Cat Learned Since Starting her Site?
Cat has had lots of insight into being a creative introvert since starting her site, including a deeper understanding of 'Imposter Syndrome' and why even famous people such as actor, Tom Hanks, lack confidence sometimes.
13:50 - 17:45: How can you Become More Confident?
Ever heard the phrase 'Fake it till you make it'? In this part, Cat reveals why this expression makes her cringe, and reveals some super-actionable steps you can take right now to start building your confidence instead.
19:00 - 22:19: It's all About the Baby Steps
Sometimes, having that big vision or dream of becoming a successful artist or creative can seem overwhelming. Here, Cat reveals why taking small, baby steps can help you get closer to your goal.
22:20 - 34:53: The Key Steps you can Take Today
How does Cat help people who join her site? In this part, she reveals the key steps you can take as a creative introvert.
34:55 - 44:33: Cat's 'A-ha!' Moments
Cat has experienced many lightbulb moments since starting her site. Here' she reveals what these were.
44:44 - 46:54: Are you a Creative Introvert? Where to Find Cat Online
In this concluding part of her interview, Cat tells you where you can find her online and start taking action on whatever's holding you back as an artist and creative introvert.
Feb 08 2017
Rank #10: PK 166: How to Promote Your Art on Instagram.
Show Notes at: https://www.pencilkings.com/podcast-home/
“Even if you don’t know what you want to do, just keep doing, keep trying, keep learning. Listen to yourself, listen to your heart, listen to what you love...and eventually the pieces will come together.” ~ Donna Adi.
Want to know how to promote your art on Instagram to gain followers and attract the attention of the kind of clients you want to work with?
In this week’s interview, we talk to Donna Adi, a mixed media illustrator from Los Angeles. After working in the fashion industry for several years, she felt the urge to combine her love of fashion photography with illustration and animation and develop her own style of art.
And, since posting her work online since January 2017, she’s seen her audience on Instagram grow to a huge 75.8K followers, with clothing designers and many more clients approaching her for her fun images, which bring an animated twist to photos of people in various situations.
So, what motivates her to make art? And how did she overcome self-doubt and all the other hurdles faced by artists to carve out an exciting career doing what she loves?
You’ll find out in this week’s’ podcast...
Key Takeaways From This Interview:
- Why liking what you do...and loving what you do are two different things
- Why the moment when you discover what you really love doing is the moment when things start changing for you as an artist
- How to stay focused on your art - even when others don’t take your dream seriously
- Why copying the work of artists you admire can often be a great place to start
- Why you should make today the day you start following your true passion
- How to find your own voice as an artist - even if you’re just starting out
- Why inspiring others with your art can help fuel your own creativity
- How to promote your art on Instagram and other online channels
Nov 01 2017
Rank #11: PK 086: Why do creativity and depression often go together for many artists?
Creativity and depression often go together for many artists, but overcoming them isn't always as difficult as you might think. In this interview, concept artist Jonah Lobe talks openly about how he learned to control his anxiety attacks, and how artists can learn to beat their fear of failure and follow their true creative dreams.
Apr 20 2016
Rank #12: PK 004: Chris Kirkland on selling your artwork online
Chris Kirkland tells us what kinds of artwork are easiest to sell online, how much you should charge and how you can get your art up online and selling fast.
May 07 2014
Rank #13: PK 123: How to Balance Your Career With Your Creativity
Feeling stuck in a job that you know isn't right for you or doesn't allow you to maximize your creative talents?
Or perhaps you're struggling to find time for art in your busy schedule?
In this interview, illustrator, Liz Gera, reveals how she balances family life and a day job with making art and selling her work at conventions.
- How to make time for making art
- How to set goals and deadlines for your creative projects
- How to approach prospective clients for illustration jobs
- How to leave your 9-5 and pursue your real passion
Jan 04 2017
Rank #14: PK 174: How to Start a Comic Book - Interview With Comic Book Illustrator, Ryan Onorato.
Show Notes at: https://www.pencilkings.com/podcast-home/
“Take the time and get at least one book done for yourself, because I just think it’s more impactful. When you go to these cons and you want to talk to people, if you hand them a finished book rather than a script or inked pages, that finished product is definitely something that’ll be an ace in your pocket.” ~ Ryan Onorato.
If you want to know how to start a comic book (but seriously don’t know where to begin), this week’s interview with illustrator, Ryan Onorato, should give you all the steps you need to get going.
Having recently completed his first comic series, the wonderfully bizarre Pizza Tree, he’s got plenty of great advice to share about promoting yourself at comic conventions, networking with people who can help, and that pesky dilemma of juggling a full-time job with making art.
So, if you’ve spent the past year talking about making a comic book (but never actually got round to actually, y’know, doing it), then this interview just might be the motivation you’ve been looking for.
And, if learning how to start a comic book has always been high on your list of artistic achievements, then there’s never been a better time to start putting those words into action.
Because, even if you only have two hours to spare each night, you’ll be amazed at what you can actually get done - just ask Ryan.
Highlights From This Interview:
- How to develop your own creative style while still being influenced by other artists
- How to take inspiration for your comic book from the things which interest you most
- Why networking and making contacts with other creatives can help make your project happen
- How Ryan’s first job at a screenprinting studio influenced his current work
- How to set yourself soft deadlines to get your project off the ground
- Why overcoming your shyness could be crucial to your success as an artist
- How to handle rejection and never, ever let it stop you in your tracks
Dec 27 2017
Rank #15: PK 053: Learn the simple secret that one artist used to explore his creativity every single day for an entire year with James Cornette.
What does it really take to stick with the habit of drawing every day? The answer is so simple that it may surprise you. In this interview we find out what it took one artist to stick to his creative pursuits for 365 consecutive days.
Aug 26 2015
Rank #16: PK 104: The mindset behind leaving your job for a full time creative career.
Thinking about giving up your day job in favor of a creative career? In this podcast we cover the things that you need to consider before making the leap and how you can take small steps to minimize any risk you might face.
Steve Riederer had a career as a counsellor, but he found that his day job left him feeling drained and unfulfilled. However at night when he would spend time working on his art he'd feel full of energy and happy.
This got him thinking... what if...
What if I made the change?
Aug 24 2016
Rank #17: PK 131: How to Build a Successful Freelance Art Career...Without Burning Out!
Want to know how to build a successful freelance art career...without burning out?
In this week's interview, artist and illustrator, Diego Jourdan Pereira, shares his essential advice and tips from a long, established career in the creative industry.
Having broken out of his native Chile to live in several different countries and produce work for clients across the globe, he's learned stacks of valuable lessons along the way.
With a refreshing honesty and a no-nonsense approach to the reality of being a working artist, he sheds lights on what a freelance art career actually looks like...and how you can avoid the pitfalls many artists have to face.
- 00:00 - 02:23 - Introduction and Overview
- 03:37 - 06:08 - How did Diego get started as a freelance artist?
- 06:35 - 10:57 - What are the big takeaways from Diego's long freelance career?
- 11:50 - 13:02 - What is it really like to work as a freelance artist?
- 13:54 - 18:54 - How do you approach publishers and clients to find work
- 19:46 - 23:03 - Why are collaboration and teamwork so important in your art career?
- 23:38 - 31:18 - How has Diego built an established freelance art career and which lessons has he learned along the way?
- 32:35 - 35:17 - How can you avoid buring yourself out and still enjoy your creative career?
- 35:58 - 42:08 - What do Diego's latest creative projects look like?
- 42:36 - 43:39 - Where can you see Diego's work online?
- 43:40 - 45:18 - Conclusion
Mar 01 2017
Rank #18: PK 003: Kan Muftic tells the story of how he spent 12 months to become a concept artist
Kan Muftic tells us how he dropped a promising career to spend the next 12 months becoming a concept artist.
Apr 28 2014
Rank #19: PK 133: Want to Unlock Your Creativity? Get Reckless!
Ever have the feeling when you are staring at a blank piece of paper that you're not sure what to draw? Clark Huggins had this same problem. He found he was spending extra time and putting extra pressure on himself before he ever put his brush to the canvas - and he realized that all he wanted to be doing was making art.
To get around this he took out some index cards and wrote down different ideas and then shuffled the deck. He then chose 3 cards at random and went to work - leaving chance to decide what he was going to create.
What he found was that this process allowed him to jump immediately into the creation process and also to tap into truly new and unique ideas by combining elements that he would never have chosen on his own.
This discovery led to the creation of the Reckless Deck, where artists can use the exact same process Clark used to come up with new and unique creations.
The Reckless Deck is just about to go live on Kickstarter so you can pick up a deck for yourself and get busy creating your own unique creations.
00:37 - 02:29
Mitch introduces today's guest, Clark Huggins, who gives you a quick overview of what Reckless Deck is all about...and how you can use it to help unlock your creativity.
02:53 - 04:31
Why is Reckless Deck Such a Useful Tool for Artists?
Clark has taken Reckless Deck to comic conventions and other events across the US. What's the response been like from the public and how are artists using it to help them create original characters?
05:20 - 05:50
How can a Humble Deck of Cards Boost Your Creativity?
Why does Reckless Deck help you come up with character ideas so quickly? Clark explains the thinking behind his product in this chapter.
05:58 - 09:37
Where did the Idea to Make Reckless Deck Come From?
The idea of Reckless Deck came about through Clark's own experiences as an artist and his desire to start working on a new character as quickly as possible. Find out how this project came to life in this chapter.
09:49 - 13:23
What was the First Character Clark Created Using Reckless Deck?
Clark can still remember the first character he created using Reckless Deck. In fact, it's one he's revisited many times since! Find out more in this chapter.
13:33 - 20:01
How did Clark Start Developing His Idea?
Reckless Deck began life as a set of index cards Clark made for himself. So how did he develop this idea into a fully-fledged product that people can buy online? You'll discover all the hard work that went into Clark's idea (and how long this process took) in this chapter.
20:33 - 21:35
Why Should you Hire a Graphic Designer to Help With Packaging Your Product?
Many artists take it upon themselves to do all the graphic design work on their projects, but this doesn't always give you the professional look you want for a product and its packaging.
In this chapter, you'll learn why Clark - despite being fluent in using Photoshop - decided to hand his logo and packaging design over to a specialist.
22:07 - 23:08
How did Clark Find the Right Printing Company to Produce Reckless Deck
Finding the right printer at the right cost can sometimes be difficult. In this chapter, you'll hear why Clark chose to use a company in China, and why he was overjoyed with the results - especially when an unexpected issue actually added another feature to his project!
24:03 - 32:30
How did Clark Turn a Kickstarter Fail Into a Win?
Clark didn't have an overnight success when he first tried to launch Reckless Deck on Kickstarter. In fact, he had to go back to the drawing board to find out what makes a project successful and get noticed on this site. Find out how he learned from his mistakes and eventually got successfully funded in this chapter.
33:05 - 34:55
How Can You be The First to Hear About New Reckless Deck Products And Offers?
If you're excited by Reckless Deck and want to find out more about new releases and special offers, this is one part of the interview you won't want to miss.
35:48 - 36:57
What is it Really Like to Launch a Product Like Reckless Deck?
It's easy to listen to Clark talking and imagine the whole process behind making and launching Reckless Deck as being super-easy. But it wasn't. Discover the reality and hard work behind launching any new product successfully in this chapter.
37:45 - 39:00
How Can Reckless Deck Help You as an Artist?
Reckless Deck has already helped many concept and fantasy artists get past creative block and searching for ideas. Find out how it can help you too in this chapter.
39:01 - 42:37
Find Our About Special Offers and Swag for Pencil Kings Listeners
There are some exciting offers in the bag for anyone who's interested in finding out more about Pencil Kings and Reckless Deck. Find out how you can get your hands on some cool free stuff and special offers in this chapter.
42:39 - 44:00
Mitch and Clark wrap up their interview and reveal some more exciting things about Reckless Deck.
Shownotes & more info at: https://www.pencilkings.com/podcast/
Mar 15 2017
Rank #20: PK 100: The best bits from the Top 10 Pencil Kings interviews compiled into one handy podcast.
To celebrate reaching our 100th episode, we've taken the best bits from our most popular interviews and compiled them into one handy podcast.
Hear invaluable advice from artists working in all areas of the creative industry and get the answers to all your questions, such as:
- How to develop your own style
- How to land your dream creative job
- How to promote your art effectively and land more clients
- How to stay motivated and make real progress in your art career
- How to make the kind of art that really inspires and excites you
Featuring interviews with: Sycra Yasin, Will Terrell, David Luong, Ahmed Aldoori, and many more.
Jul 27 2016