In this story episode of The Outfall, we talk to two researchers on the front lines of using wastewater to analyze the epidemiology of a community. Wastewater surveillance for the Coronavirus has huge potential. Data suggests that each person infected will excrete millions, if not billions of viral genomes into the wastewater per day. We learn more about why this research is so important, what is going on now, and what the future of this research looks like.  Thanks again to our guests: Dr. Sean Norman, Associate professor in the Department of Environmental Health Sciences at the University of South Carolina. Learn more here. Dr. Ian Pepper, Environmental Microbiologists at the University of Arizona. Learn more here. Find us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOutfall  Find us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/the_outfall/?hl=en

In this story episode of The Outfall, we talk to two researchers on the front lines of using wastewater to analyze the epidemiology of a community. Wastewater surveillance for the Coronavirus has huge potential. Data suggests that each person infected will excrete millions, if not billions of viral genomes into the wastewater per day. We learn more about why this research is so important, what is going on now, and what the future of this research looks like.  Thanks again to our guests: <ul><li>Dr. Sean Norman, Associate professor in the Department of Environmental Health Sciences at the University of South Carolina. <a href="https://sc.edu/study/colleges_schools/public_health/faculty-staff/norman_r.php" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Learn more here.</a></li> <li>Dr. Ian Pepper, Environmental Microbiologists at the University of Arizona. <a href="https://west.arizona.edu/person/ian-pepper" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Learn more here.</a></li> </ul>Find us on Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/TOutfall" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/TOutfall</a> Find us on Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/the_outfall/?hl=en" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/the_outfall/?hl=en</a>

How Sewers Could Track COVID-19

This week we get to travel the world with no passports or luggage. Our adventure begins in Brest, France and then we travel back in time to Hong Kong during the SARs epidemic. Our travel guide is the wonderful Vera Bin San who is a marine biologist and a friend of Amy's. P-Traps, Masks, and the French Police somehow make it into this conversation. We have fun producing these weekly dispatches. It has made the world a bit smaller for all of us and that is a good thing. Send us a note if you want to join us for one episode. Check out Vera on her own YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2YqZKndK7HxCnbe06ZCEuw/featured Recorded April 9, 2020 Find us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOutfall  Find us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/the_outfall/?hl=en

This week we get to travel the world with no passports or luggage. Our adventure begins in Brest, France and then we travel back in time to Hong Kong during the SARs epidemic. Our travel guide is the wonderful Vera Bin San who is a marine biologist and a friend of Amy's. P-Traps, Masks, and the French Police somehow make it into this conversation. We have fun producing these weekly dispatches. It has made the world a bit smaller for all of us and that is a good thing. Send us a note if you want to join us for one episode. Check out Vera on her own YouTube Channel: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2YqZKndK7HxCnbe06ZCEuw/featured" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2YqZKndK7HxCnbe06ZCEuw/featured</a> Recorded April 9, 2020 Find us on Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/TOutfall" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/TOutfall</a> Find us on Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/the_outfall/?hl=en" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/the_outfall/?hl=en</a>

Dispatches from our Bunkers: Unmasking Vera

Freaking out? You may not be alone. We're all living in a moment of uncertainty and anxiety. One of the things we have done to help ourselves these past several weeks is to reach out to our friends in a continuing series of episodes we are calling Dispatches from our Bunkers. This week Kara Klemm with Yoga Keowee joins us to help calm us down. As people become more anxious as they self-quarantine at home, we discuss mindful meditation, a practice that has been proven to alleviate stress, depression and insomnia, as a way to cope. People often feel discouraged when they first give meditation a try, but then again they have never tried to meditate to the sounds of an influent pump station. After our discussion, Kara leads us in three-minute meditation to the sounds of a working wastewater treatment plant. This may be a world's first. Recorded April 2, 2020 A big thank you to Kara Klemm with Yoga Keowee. If you are nearby, please join her. You may even bump into David, Amy or I. Kara has led over 1500 hours of yoga teaching registered with the Yoga Alliance. She has instructed teacher trainings and given several specialized workshops to yoga teachers and students on the art of language, anatomy and physiology, Yoga 101, yoga nidra and meditation. She also holds a B.S. in Human Biology and Health from Cornell University has worked in medical sales, training and recruitment for the past 15 years. Find us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOutfall  Find us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/the_outfall/?hl=en

Freaking out? You may not be alone. We're all living in a moment of uncertainty and anxiety. One of the things we have done to help ourselves these past several weeks is to reach out to our friends in a continuing series of episodes we are calling Dispatches from our Bunkers. This week Kara Klemm with Yoga Keowee joins us to help calm us down. As people become more anxious as they self-quarantine at home, we discuss mindful meditation, a practice that has been proven<a href="https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/meditation/in-depth/meditation/art-20045858" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> </a>to alleviate stress, depression and insomnia, as a way to cope. People often feel discouraged when they first give meditation a try, but then again they have never tried to meditate to the sounds of an influent pump station. After our discussion, Kara leads us in three-minute meditation to the sounds of a working wastewater treatment plant. This may be a world's first. Recorded April 2, 2020 A big thank you to Kara Klemm with <a href="https://www.yogakeowee.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Yoga Keowee</a>. If you are nearby, please join her. You may even bump into David, Amy or I. Kara has led over 1500 hours of yoga teaching registered with the Yoga Alliance. She has instructed teacher trainings and given several specialized workshops to yoga teachers and students on the art of language, anatomy and physiology, Yoga 101, yoga nidra and meditation. She also holds a B.S. in Human Biology and Health from Cornell University has worked in medical sales, training and recruitment for the past 15 years. Find us on Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/TOutfall" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/TOutfall</a> Find us on Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/the_outfall/?hl=en" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/the_outfall/?hl=en</a>

Dispatches from our Bunkers: A Wastewater Meditation?

We are continuing to invite friends to join us in this series of episodes we are calling Dispatches from our Bunkers. This week David Baize Executive Director of the South Carolina Water Association joined us and discussed the behind scenes decision to cancel SCEC, South Carolina's largest water conferences in March. Next, David Ladner quizzes us with a one-of-a-kind water quiz. Also David, or otherwise known as TSTORM2000, one of our favorite listeners joins us for a one-of-a-kind water quiz. Recorded March 19, 2020 We appreciate all the positive feedback so far. Thank you! Find us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOutfall  Find us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/the_outfall/?hl=en

We are continuing to invite friends to join us in this series of episodes we are calling Dispatches from our Bunkers. This week David Baize Executive Director of the <a href="https://www.scwaters.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">South Carolina Water Association</a> joined us and discussed the behind scenes decision to cancel SCEC, South Carolina's largest water conferences in March. Next, David Ladner quizzes us with a one-of-a-kind water quiz. Also David, or otherwise known as TSTORM2000, one of our favorite listeners joins us for a one-of-a-kind water quiz. Recorded March 19, 2020 We appreciate all the positive feedback so far. Thank you! Find us on Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/TOutfall" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/TOutfall</a> Find us on Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/the_outfall/?hl=en" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/the_outfall/?hl=en</a>

Dispatches from our Bunkers: Cancelled Conference and Live Quiz

We were working on several of our normal monthly water stories, but then the pandemic hit. Instead of pausing, we decided it would be great to call each other, turn on our microphones and just hit record. We will continue to roll out our normal monthly stories and we will also supplement with this series we are calling Dispatches from our Bunkers. Today we share some personal stories and some of our favorite moments from Season 1. This was recorded on March 19, 2020.

We were working on several of our normal monthly water stories, but then the pandemic hit. Instead of pausing, we decided it would be great to call each other, turn on our microphones and just hit record. We will continue to roll out our normal monthly stories and we will also supplement with this series we are calling Dispatches from our Bunkers. Today we share some personal stories and some of our favorite moments from Season 1. This was recorded on March 19, 2020.

Dispatches from Our Bunkers: Unprecedented 

David brings us a personal 5-minute water short about his home town, Silver City, New Mexico. Silver City is in a big bowl that sets the stage for us to learn about its ditch. Yes, one of the town’s most endearing and characteristic features is a ditch. Not just any ditch, it’s a BIG ditch. In fact, that’s the official name: the Big Ditch. We hear directly from Silver City’s mayor, Ken Ladner. Enjoy.   Please subscribe and leave us a review on Apple Podcasts.  Find us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOutfall  Find us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/the_outfall/?hl=en

David brings us a personal 5-minute water short about his home town, Silver City, New Mexico. Silver City is in a big bowl that sets the stage for us to learn about its ditch. Yes, one of the town’s most endearing and characteristic features is a ditch. Not just any ditch, it’s a BIG ditch. In fact, that’s the official name: the Big Ditch. We hear directly from Silver City’s mayor, Ken Ladner. Enjoy. Please subscribe and leave us a review on Apple Podcasts.  Find us on Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/TOutfall" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/TOutfall</a> Find us on Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/the_outfall/?hl=en" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/the_outfall/?hl=en</a>

Short: The Making of the Big Ditch

In this episode, we share a story about a series of pictures. These pictures were not ordinary. In three days they spread around the world. The story starts deep in the sewers of Charleston, South Carolina. It's pitch black and divers are feeling for an obstruction. Mike Saia, communications manager with Charleston Water System, tells us the story.  We appreciate all the positive feedback so far. Thank you! Please subscribe and leave us a review on Apple Podcasts. Want to contact the show? Reach out at feedback@theoutfall.com. Find us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOutfall  Find us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/the_outfall/?hl=en

In this episode, we share a story about a series of pictures. These pictures were not ordinary. In three days they spread around the world. The story starts deep in the sewers of Charleston, South Carolina. It's pitch black and divers are feeling for an obstruction. Mike Saia, communications manager with <a href="http://www.charlestonwater.com/138/About-Us" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Charleston Water System,</a> tells us the story. We appreciate all the positive feedback so far. Thank you! Please subscribe and leave us a review on Apple Podcasts. Want to contact the show? Reach out at <a href="mailto:feedback@theoutfall.com">feedback@theoutfall.com.</a> Find us on Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/TOutfall" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/TOutfall</a> Find us on Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/the_outfall/?hl=en" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/the_outfall/?hl=en</a>

#08: A Picture is Worth a Thousand Wipes

It’s been a while since we produced one of our 5-minute water shorts. Well, the wait is over. This short begins with a discovery. We found out during one of our recording sessions that David has a treasure trove of water jokes he has been posting online. You can visit it here. Thanks again to @scotty_NoNo for joining us and teaching us a little about comedy!  We appreciate all the positive feedback so far. Thank you! Please subscribe and leave us a review on iTunes. Want to contact the show? Reach out at feedback@theoutfall.com. Find us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOutfall  Find us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/the_outfall/?hl=en

It’s been a while since we produced one of our 5-minute water shorts. Well, the wait is over. This short begins with a discovery. We found out during one of our recording sessions that David has a treasure trove of water jokes he has been posting online. You can visit it <a href="https://cecas.clemson.edu/ladnergroup/blog/water-jokes/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here.</a> Thanks again to <a href="https://twitter.com/Scotty_NoNo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@scotty_NoNo</a> for joining us and teaching us a little about comedy!  We appreciate all the positive feedback so far. Thank you! Please subscribe and leave us a review on iTunes. Want to contact the show? Reach out at <a href="mailto:feedback@theoutfall.com">feedback@theoutfall.com.</a> Find us on Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/TOutfall" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/TOutfall</a> Find us on Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/the_outfall/?hl=en" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/the_outfall/?hl=en</a>

Short: Misdirection and Surprise

In this episode, we are hunting water unicorns with Dr. Piers Clark. Piers is the founder and chairman of Isle Utilities. They have offices all over the world and what they do is help water utilities identify and adopt new technology and innovation.   Some of the companies discussed in this episode: Mango Materials  Ostara Nutrient Recovery Technologies Inc. NVP Energy  Graphene Enhanced Filtration - G2O Water Technologies] Biobullets  Untapped Learn more about Piers and Isle Utilities here.  We appreciate all the positive feedback so far. Thank you! Please subscribe and leave us a review on iTunes. Want to contact the show? Reach out at feedback@theoutfall.com. Find us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOutfall 

In this episode, we are hunting water unicorns with Dr. Piers Clark. Piers is the founder and chairman of Isle Utilities. They have offices all over the world and what they do is help water utilities identify and adopt new technology and innovation.   Some of the companies discussed in this episode: <ul><li><a href="http://mangomaterials.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Mango Materials</a> </li> <li><a href="https://ostara.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Ostara Nutrient Recovery Technologies Inc.</a></li> <li><a href="https://www.nvpenergy.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">NVP Energy</a> </li> <li><a href="https://g2o.co/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Graphene Enhanced Filtration - G2O Water Technologies</a>]</li> <li><a href="http://biobullets.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Biobullets</a> </li> <li><a href="https://www.untapped-inc.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Untapped</a></li> </ul>Learn more about Piers and Isle Utilities <a href="https://www.isleutilities.com/about/meet-the-team/piers-clark" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here.</a> We appreciate all the positive feedback so far. Thank you! Please subscribe and leave us a review on iTunes. Want to contact the show? Reach out at <a href="mailto:feedback@theoutfall.com">feedback@theoutfall.com.</a> Find us on Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/TOutfall" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/TOutfall</a>

#07: Bold Predictions and Companies that will Change our Water Future

We talk with George Greene, President of Water Mission, about the Bahamas. Water mission is unique in the world of NGOs with a powerful story. They are a nonprofit Christian engineering organization that designs, builds, and implements safe water solutions. Water Mission is on the ground providing emergency safe water solutions to communities that were devastated by Hurricane Dorian in the Bahamas. In the midst of this heartbreaking tragedy, we not only hear about the unique and costly challenges of providing clean, safe water to these communities, but how volunteers, engineers, and corporate partners are working to make a difference.  Learn more about Water Mission Here.

We talk with George Greene, President of Water Mission, about the Bahamas. Water mission is unique in the world of NGOs with a powerful story. They are a nonprofit Christian engineering organization that designs, builds, and implements safe water solutions. Water Mission is on the ground providing emergency safe water solutions to communities that were devastated by Hurricane Dorian in the Bahamas. In the midst of this heartbreaking tragedy, we not only hear about the unique and costly challenges of providing clean, safe water to these communities, but how volunteers, engineers, and corporate partners are working to make a difference. <a href="https://watermission.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Learn more about Water Mission Here.</a>

#06: Responding to Dorian: On the Ground with Water Mission

Curious? Want to know more about our water world and our infrastructure? The Outfall is about sharing stories about topics we don’t think about. Our goal is to be more fun than serious, more short than long, and hopefully more lively than dull.

"A dubious solution that plays fast and loose with Occam's razor. The prudent manner abides by the weather glass" - Mark Malsick, SCDNR Many in the Carolinas and throughout the world know Mark Malsick by his severe weather email. His email is wildly popular and gets forwarded around offices every time he sends one out. We discover who he is and his secret to his growing email list. We also discuss some of the tools he uses for his predictions and why sometimes he does not agree with the National Weather Service. Thanks again to Mark Malsick for making severe weather special. Sign up for Mark's Email's Here. Want to contact the show? Reach Robert at osbornerr@gmail.com Find us Twitter here.  Find us on Instagram here.

"A dubious solution that plays fast and loose with Occam's razor. The prudent manner abides by the weather glass" - Mark Malsick, SCDNR Many in the Carolinas and throughout the world know Mark Malsick by his severe weather email. His email is wildly popular and gets forwarded around offices every time he sends one out. We discover who he is and his secret to his growing email list. We also discuss some of the tools he uses for his predictions and why sometimes he does not agree with the National Weather Service. Thanks again to Mark Malsick for making severe weather special. Sign up for Mark's Email's <a href="https://public.govdelivery.com/accounts/SCDNR/subscriber/new?preferences=true" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Here.</a> Want to contact the show? Reach Robert at <a href="mailto:osbornerr@gmail.com">osbornerr@gmail.com</a> Find us Twitter <a href="https://twitter.com/TOutfall" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here.</a>  Find us on Instagram <a href="https://www.instagram.com/the_outfall/?hl=en" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here.</a>

#05: When Weather, Wit and a Gaggleplex of Clouds Collide...Mark Malsick

In the summer of 2017, a group of residents and environmental activist Erin Brockovich challenged Mount Pleasant’s water system claiming that the town’s water contained pesticides that might be causing brain cancer in children. Listen to Clay Duffie, General Manager of Mount Pleasant Waterworks, explain how the events unfolded, how they responded and his lessons learned.

In the summer of 2017, a group of residents and environmental activist Erin Brockovich challenged Mount Pleasant’s water system claiming that the town’s water contained pesticides that might be causing brain cancer in children. Listen to Clay Duffie, General Manager of Mount Pleasant Waterworks, explain how the events unfolded, how they responded and his lessons learned.

#04: 38 Days in a Media Firestorm: Is it the Water?

When David Werth started this lab over five years ago he literally bet the house by maxing out his credit cards and getting an instrumental loan to start the lab. His bet paid off. David is one of those guys that is full of passion when he is describing the lab. This is one of only a few labs in the world that conducts hundreds of physical hydraulic model studies for a variety of water intake and pump stations.  This episode explains why physical models are still important, why a dimensionless number holds a secret to scaling a model, and why water doesn’t always behave the way we think it will. View pictures of the lab here.

When David Werth started this lab over five years ago he literally bet the house by maxing out his credit cards and getting an instrumental loan to start the lab. His bet paid off. David is one of those guys that is full of passion when he is describing the lab. This is one of only a few labs in the world that conducts hundreds of physical hydraulic model studies for a variety of water intake and pump stations.  This episode explains why physical models are still important, why a dimensionless number holds a secret to scaling a model, and why water doesn’t always behave the way we think it will. <a href="https://medium.com/who-cares-about-infrastructure/where-art-and-hard-core-engineering-mix-fe6f72749ec5" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">View pictures of the lab here.</a>

#03: The Incredible Shrinking Hydraulic Laboratory

Our second water short has us searching for the mysterious Blue Ghost Firefly. This Firefly is found nowhere else in the world, but the Southern Appalachians and the largest population is in Western North Carolina. While all other species of firefly blink on and off as a mating ritual, the Blue Ghost emits a steady glow lasting from 30 seconds to a whole minute with a glow intensity so bright that they illuminate a circular patch of light on the ground beneath them. You can only see them from late May to early June when the males are looking for the females. Special Thanks to David Hart for the story idea and the Cradle of Forestry for the tour.

Our second water short has us searching for the mysterious Blue Ghost Firefly. This Firefly is found nowhere else in the world, but the Southern Appalachians and the largest population is in Western North Carolina. While all other species of firefly blink on and off as a mating ritual, the Blue Ghost emits a steady glow lasting from 30 seconds to a whole minute with a glow intensity so bright that they illuminate a circular patch of light on the ground beneath them. You can only see them from late May to early June when the males are looking for the females. Special Thanks to <a href="https://twitter.com/HartDP2000" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">David Hart</a> for the story idea and the <a href="https://cradleofforestry.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Cradle of Forestry</a> for the tour.

Water Short: In Search of the Blue Ghost Firefly

Dr. Ladner had a chance to talk with Layne Carter from NASA recently. During his 28 years at NASA, Mr. Carter has worked on the development, design, delivery, and operation of the ISS Water Recovery System (WRS), which includes the Water Processor Assembly (WPA) and Urine Processor Assembly (UPA). His current role is the ISS Water Subsystem Manager, for which he is responsible for the ongoing operation of the water management and WRS on ISS. In addition, he is the co-Lead for NASA’s Advanced Exploration Systems (AES) Wastewater Processing and Water Management team, which has the responsibility for developing the technologies to be used for NASA’s future manned missions.  On this episode, you will learn, 1. How urine is recycled so astronauts can drink it. Yes, drink it. 2. How the Russians are helping with the Station’s overall water balance, and3. How urine brittle, not to be confused with peanut brittle, was a problem NASA had to overcome.

Dr. Ladner had a chance to talk with Layne Carter from NASA recently. During his 28 years at NASA, Mr. Carter has worked on the development, design, delivery, and operation of the ISS Water Recovery System (WRS), which includes the Water Processor Assembly (WPA) and Urine Processor Assembly (UPA). His current role is the ISS Water Subsystem Manager, for which he is responsible for the ongoing operation of the water management and WRS on ISS. In addition, he is the co-Lead for NASA’s Advanced Exploration Systems (AES) Wastewater Processing and Water Management team, which has the responsibility for developing the technologies to be used for NASA’s future manned missions.  On this episode, you will learn, 1. How urine is recycled so astronauts can drink it. Yes, drink it. 2. How the Russians are helping with the Station’s overall water balance, and3. How urine brittle, not to be confused with peanut brittle, was a problem NASA had to overcome.

#02: Water Recycling inside the Space Station

This week we produced our first Water Short, a short podcast five minutes or less with one big idea. This week we ask a question: When you lose weight, through which orifice does it leave? It’s something we don’t typically think about, but you may find it interesting.

This week we produced our first Water Short, a short podcast five minutes or less with one big idea. This week we ask a question: When you lose weight, through which orifice does it leave? It’s something we don’t typically think about, but you may find it interesting.

Water Short Number 1: Every Breath You Take

Ron Rash

We talk with New York Times bestselling author Ron Rash. He is the author of Serena and Above the Waterfall, in addition to four prizewinning novels, including The Cove, One Foot in Eden, Saints at the River, and The World Made Straight. Water runs deep in his writing and he explains how he didn't quite realize it until others started to point it out to him. He talks to us about his grandmother's farm on the Blue Ridge Parkway and the beautiful stream. He shares how his grandmother would never let him go to the spring house. The young Ron loved to catch salamanders and crayfish as a child, but she would not let him disturb the salamanders in the spring house. She felt like they were the guardian spirits of the water.  When asked about his favorite water quote, he says it is, "A river is a vein in God's arm." Powerful, right?

We talk with New York Times bestselling author Ron Rash. He is the author of Serena and Above the Waterfall, in addition to four prizewinning novels, including The Cove, One Foot in Eden, Saints at the River, and The World Made Straight. Water runs deep in his writing and he explains how he didn't quite realize it until others started to point it out to him. He talks to us about his grandmother's farm on the Blue Ridge Parkway and the beautiful stream. He shares how his grandmother would never let him go to the spring house. The young Ron loved to catch salamanders and crayfish as a child, but she would not let him disturb the salamanders in the spring house. She felt like they were the guardian spirits of the water.  When asked about his favorite water quote, he says it is, "A river is a vein in God's arm." Powerful, right?

Conversation with Ron Rash

I had listened to one particular episode quite a while ago, then subscribed, then ignored this gem of a forum for conversations among knowledgeable experts in many water-related topics. Thanks to covid-19 and time to get caught up with podcasts, I have listened to one or two each day and will want to listen to many of these again.  A lot of unexpected and fascinating things to learn from these folks!

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