Andrew Hosner

Known for its emphasis on figuration, surrealism, and pop culture, the New Contemporary Art movement has roots in the irreverent, high-energy counterculture of the ‘90s. Largely self-supported and community-driven, the movement has slowly taken shape beyond gallery walls, incorporating “lowbrow,” accessible, and socially-activated work by artists that tend to fall outside the mainstream. On today’s podcast episode, host and NOT REAL ART founder Scott “Sourdough” Power sits down with Andrew Hosner of Thinkspace Projects to discuss the curator’s leading role in the New Contemporary Art movement. As the co-founder, curator, and owner of Thinkspace, Andrew is an authority on all things street art and L.A. subculture. “We're blessed to know a lot of people,” he says. “We’ve got our toe in the subculture. If we’re able to help be that mouthpiece that helps expand that bandwidth for those folks and get them seen by the general public and let them live their lives through their creativity and their God-given gifts and stuff like that, that's a pretty special thing.”For nearly 20 years now, Andrew’s discerning eye for emerging talent, commitment to community building, and passion for pushing culture forward has resulted in an exceptional roster of lesser-known, mid-career, and established artists from all over the world (as well as a close-knit circle of loyal art-lovers that keep coming back for more). “In LA, a city that's probably got [a hundred things going on on any given night], we’re pretty blessed to have [so many people in] our community that are always showing up, month after month, to support us and our artists,” Andrew says. “We try to never lose sight of that.” In this episode, Andrew gives us a glimpse into Thinkspace’s history, charting its unconventional trajectory from a passion project to an internationally acclaimed gallery space. Tuning in, you’ll learn how Thinkspace’s focus on collaboration and community benefits both the gallery and the artists it supports. Don’t miss our conversation with the visionary curator behind Thinkspace Projects, Andrew Hosner. In Today’s Podcast Episode:Andrew Hosner discusses…How Thinkspace found a foothold in the up-and-coming L.A. art sceneThe history behind the gallery and their unconventional approachThe collaborative mindset that underpins Thinkspace’s marketing strategyHow Thinkspace’s focus on community benefits both the gallery and its artistsThe gallery’s process for working with international artists and galleriesArt as a spiritual product that benefits your health and well-beingThe juxtaposition of gentrification and economic development through artWhy he refers to his ever-expanding art collection as a “roadmap”Insight into his approach as an art dealer: “If I wouldn’t buy it, I won’t try and sell it to you.”Why it's better to have art on the walls than money in the bankFor more information, please visit http://notrealart.com/andrew-hosner

Known for its emphasis on figuration, surrealism, and pop culture, the New Contemporary Art movement has roots in the irreverent, high-energy counterculture of the ‘90s. Largely self-supported and community-driven, the movement has slowly taken shape beyond gallery walls, incorporating “lowbrow,” accessible, and socially-activated work by artists that tend to fall outside the mainstream. On today’s podcast episode, host and NOT REAL ART founder <a href="https://www.notarealartist.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Scott “Sourdough” Power</a> sits down with Andrew Hosner of <a href="https://thinkspaceprojects.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Thinkspace Projects</a> to discuss the curator’s leading role in the New Contemporary Art movement. As the co-founder, curator, and owner of Thinkspace, Andrew is an authority on all things street art and L.A. subculture. “We're blessed to know a lot of people,” he says. “We’ve got our toe in the subculture. If we’re able to help be that mouthpiece that helps expand that bandwidth for those folks and get them seen by the general public and let them live their lives through their creativity and their God-given gifts and stuff like that, that's a pretty special thing.”For nearly 20 years now, Andrew’s discerning eye for emerging talent, commitment to community building, and passion for pushing culture forward has resulted in an exceptional roster of lesser-known, mid-career, and established artists from all over the world (as well as a close-knit circle of loyal art-lovers that keep coming back for more). “In LA, a city that's probably got [a hundred things going on on any given night], we’re pretty blessed to have [so many people in] our community that are always showing up, month after month, to support us and our artists,” Andrew says. “We try to never lose sight of that.” In this episode, Andrew gives us a glimpse into Thinkspace’s history, charting its unconventional trajectory from a passion project to an internationally acclaimed gallery space. Tuning in, you’ll learn how Thinkspace’s focus on collaboration and community benefits both the gallery and the artists it supports. Don’t miss our conversation with the visionary curator behind Thinkspace Projects, Andrew Hosner. In Today’s Podcast Episode:Andrew Hosner discusses…<ul><li>How Thinkspace found a foothold in the up-and-coming L.A. art scene</li><li>The history behind the gallery and their unconventional approach</li><li>The collaborative mindset that underpins Thinkspace’s marketing strategy</li><li>How Thinkspace’s focus on community benefits both the gallery and its artists</li><li>The gallery’s process for working with international artists and galleries</li><li>Art as a spiritual product that benefits your health and well-being</li><li>The juxtaposition of gentrification and economic development through art</li><li>Why he refers to his ever-expanding art collection as a “roadmap”</li><li>Insight into his approach as an art dealer: “If I wouldn’t buy it, I won’t try and sell it to you.”</li><li>Why it's better to have art on the walls than money in the bank</li></ul>For more information, please visit <a href="http://notrealart.com/andrew-hosner" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://notrealart.com/andrew-hosner</a>

Andrew Hosner of Thinkspace Projects: Spreading The New Contemporary Art Movement

Kiley Ames

Our individual and collective histories are composed of fragments—bits of information we piece together in different ways. According to former professional athlete, multidisciplinary artist, and NOT REAL ART 2022 grant winner Kiley Ames, these fragments can be rearranged and reinterpreted to create personalized perceptions of reality.Using small, distinct brushstrokes to illustrate her philosophy on fragments, Kiley paints in an Impressionistic style that prioritizes light, color, and texture. “[Painting] is a very tactile experience, and I want people to get up close to it and see it [from] far away and look at it from the side,” says Kiley, who often invites patrons to her studio at the Beacon Arts Building in Inglewood, California. “I love for people to see my work in person […] the way I paint is incredibly difficult to see online, regardless of how great the photos are.”On today’s podcast episode, host and NOT REAL ART founder Scott “Sourdough” Power sits down with Kiley to discuss the importance of authenticity, how she developed her unique style, and why she ultimately embraces duality in both work and life. Kiley also shares her thoughts on freelancing at the Annie Leibovitz Studio for the better part of a decade: “When you see someone like Annie [Leibowitz] or Irving Penn or Van Gogh, you only see the final piece or the final photograph,” she says. “You don’t see all the ones that weren’t chosen.” In short? Even great artists don’t get it right the first time.A self-professed latecomer to the art world, Kiley embraced an expressive style after realizing that “good art” isn’t necessarily photorealistic. “[Photorealistic art] is beautiful, but I also realized that it wasn’t representative of who I am,” she says. “ It took me a really long time to break out of that because you get rewarded for creating something that looks like something else.” Subjective, evocative, and dreamy, Kiley’s style evolved from exploration and experimentation, traits she encourages in other emerging artists. Tune into our conversation with Kiley Ames on the player below, then head over to our 2022 grant winner’s exhibition to see her winning work.Key Points From This Episode:The welcoming community and support system that Kiley found at Beacon Arts Building.Challenges with networking in the art world and how Kiley has built relationships.Why it’s difficult to properly appreciate her paintings in pictures or online.How Kiley found her artistic voice and developed her unique visual style.Some insight into who Kiley is and how she embraces duality.What being a professional athlete taught her about discipline and redefining success.A look at Kiley’s creative process (which doesn’t involve sketchbooks!)Her most recent body of work and what it represents, and what she’s working on now.Kiley’s take on why lawmakers are focused on drag shows and not gun control.Ways that art can facilitate less combative discussions about very serious issues.Advice for navigating the art world, staying on budget, and applying for artist grants.The impact COVID had on Kiley as an artist, and how the ocean helped her personally.Lessons and personal reflections from Kiley’s experience of working with Annie Leibowitz.Words of wisdom for young artists: learn to fall in love with the process!Why artists shouldn't restrict themselves to just one medium.The stories that Kiley is trying to tell through her work and her approach to titles.For more information, please visit http://notrealart.com/kiley-ames

Our individual and collective histories are composed of fragments—bits of information we piece together in different ways. According to former professional athlete, multidisciplinary artist, and NOT REAL ART 2022 grant winner <a href="https://www.kileyames.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Kiley Ames</a>, these fragments can be rearranged and reinterpreted to create personalized perceptions of reality.Using small, distinct brushstrokes to illustrate her philosophy on fragments, Kiley paints in an Impressionistic style that prioritizes light, color, and texture. “[Painting] is a very tactile experience, and I want people to get up close to it and see it [from] far away and look at it from the side,” says Kiley, who often invites patrons to her studio at the <a href="https://www.beaconartsbuilding.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Beacon Arts Building</a> in Inglewood, California. “I love for people to see my work in person […] the way I paint is incredibly difficult to see online, regardless of how great the photos are.”On today’s podcast episode, host and NOT REAL ART founder <a href="https://www.notarealartist.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Scott “Sourdough” Power</a> sits down with Kiley to discuss the importance of authenticity, how she developed her unique style, and why she ultimately embraces duality in both work and life. Kiley also shares her thoughts on freelancing at the Annie Leibovitz Studio for the better part of a decade: “When you see someone like Annie [Leibowitz] or Irving Penn or Van Gogh, you only see the final piece or the final photograph,” she says. “You don’t see all the ones that weren’t chosen.” In short? Even great artists don’t get it right the first time.A self-professed latecomer to the art world, Kiley embraced an expressive style after realizing that “good art” isn’t necessarily photorealistic. “[Photorealistic art] is beautiful, but I also realized that it wasn’t representative of who I am,” she says. “ It took me a really long time to break out of that because you get rewarded for creating something that looks like something else.” Subjective, evocative, and dreamy, Kiley’s style evolved from exploration and experimentation, traits she encourages in other emerging artists. Tune into our conversation with Kiley Ames on the player below, then head over to our <a href="https://notrealart.com/exhibition/2022-grant-winner-exhibition/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">2022 grant winner’s exhibition</a> to see her winning work.Key Points From This Episode:<ul><li>The welcoming community and support system that Kiley found at Beacon Arts Building.</li><li>Challenges with networking in the art world and how Kiley has built relationships.</li><li>Why it’s difficult to properly appreciate her paintings in pictures or online.</li><li>How Kiley found her artistic voice and developed her unique visual style.</li><li>Some insight into who Kiley is and how she embraces duality.</li><li>What being a professional athlete taught her about discipline and redefining success.</li><li>A look at Kiley’s creative process (which doesn’t involve sketchbooks!)</li><li>Her most recent body of work and what it represents, and what she’s working on now.</li><li>Kiley’s take on why lawmakers are focused on drag shows and not gun control.</li><li>Ways that art can facilitate less combative discussions about very serious issues.</li><li>Advice for navigating the art world, staying on budget, and applying for artist grants.</li><li>The impact COVID had on Kiley as an artist, and how the ocean helped her personally.</li><li>Lessons and personal reflections from Kiley’s experience of working with Annie Leibowitz.</li><li>Words of wisdom for young artists: learn to fall in love with the process!</li><li>Why artists shouldn't restrict themselves to just one medium.</li><li>The stories that Kiley is trying to tell through her work and her approach to titles.</li></ul>For more information, please visit <a href="http://notrealart.com/kiley-ames" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://notrealart.com/kiley-ames</a>

NOT REAL ART 2022 Grant Winner Kiley Ames: Fragments of Perception

Did you know that the US government spends just $5 per person per year on the arts? Or that over 50 countries have a Department or Ministry of Culture, but the US doesn’t? In fact, the US has less government support for the arts per person than any other developed nation. These uncomfortable truths surface in The Art of Making It (2021), a fascinating documentary that follows a diverse group of young artists as they navigate an increasingly fraught art-world ecosystem. Directed by Kelcey Edwards, The Art of Making It includes interviews with six artists—Jenna Gribbon, Gisela McDaniel, Chris Watts, Hilde Lynn Helphenstein, Sebastian Errazuriz, and Felipe Baeza—at pivotal points in their careers. On today’s podcast episode, host and NOT REAL ART founder Scott “Sourdough” Power discusses The Art of Making It, unpacking what the film gets right, where it flounders, and how it could’ve done better. “[The film] did a fabulous job of celebrating the world we love, some of the artists, and the art that we love,” says Scott on the documentary’s high points. “It did a great job of level setting, and being relatable and relevant to those of us who sometimes might think we're crazy that we're in this business. But nope, everybody is feeling the same pain. Everybody’s dealing with the same problems and challenges. It was a wonderful movie in terms of watching very fashionable, presumably smart, and successful people talk about something that we all love: art, artists, the art world, and all the problems that vex us and stress us out.”Scott goes on to discuss his main criticism of The Art of Making It: “It did a horrible job of offering any viable, real solutions to the problem or innovations for the problem,” he says. “That is where this movie fails miserably. It does a fantastic job of bringing the problems, identifying the problems, [and] clarifying the problems. It does a horrible job of offering any possible solutions whatsoever.” Still, the film has valuable art-world insights for those in need of a refresher. “If you haven't seen The Art of Making It, you need to see it,” says Scott in his final verdict. “It should be required watching for anybody that works in the art world.” Key Points From This Episode:A look at some of the amazing cast and crew behind The Art of Making It.What The Art of Making It did incredibly well (and what it didn’t do so well).Scott unpacks his main critique of the film: many problems, no solutions!The reason why there tends to be very little disruption in the art world.Why the art world needs to evolve, innovate, and become more accessible.How The Art of Making It could have done a better job of inspiring change.For more information, please visit http://notrealart.com/the-art-of-making-it

Did you know that the US government spends just $5 per person per year on the arts? Or that over 50 countries have a Department or Ministry of Culture, but the US doesn’t? In fact, the US has less government support for the arts per person than any other developed nation. These uncomfortable truths surface in <a href="https://theartofmakingitfilm.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">The Art of Making It</a> (2021), a fascinating documentary that follows a diverse group of young artists as they navigate an increasingly fraught art-world ecosystem. Directed by Kelcey Edwards, The Art of Making It includes interviews with six artists—Jenna Gribbon, Gisela McDaniel, Chris Watts, Hilde Lynn Helphenstein, Sebastian Errazuriz, and Felipe Baeza—at pivotal points in their careers. On today’s podcast episode, host and NOT REAL ART founder <a href="https://www.notarealartist.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Scott “Sourdough” Power</a> discusses The Art of Making It, unpacking what the film gets right, where it flounders, and how it could’ve done better. “[The film] did a fabulous job of celebrating the world we love, some of the artists, and the art that we love,” says Scott on the documentary’s high points. “It did a great job of level setting, and being relatable and relevant to those of us who sometimes might think we're crazy that we're in this business. But nope, everybody is feeling the same pain. Everybody’s dealing with the same problems and challenges. It was a wonderful movie in terms of watching very fashionable, presumably smart, and successful people talk about something that we all love: art, artists, the art world, and all the problems that vex us and stress us out.”Scott goes on to discuss his main criticism of The Art of Making It: “It did a horrible job of offering any viable, real solutions to the problem or innovations for the problem,” he says. “That is where this movie fails miserably. It does a fantastic job of bringing the problems, identifying the problems, [and] clarifying the problems. It does a horrible job of offering any possible solutions whatsoever.” Still, the film has valuable art-world insights for those in need of a refresher. “If you haven't seen The Art of Making It, you need to see it,” says Scott in his final verdict. “It should be required watching for anybody that works in the art world.” Key Points From This Episode:<ul><li>A look at some of the amazing cast and crew behind The Art of Making It.</li><li>What The Art of Making It did incredibly well (and what it didn’t do so well).</li><li>Scott unpacks his main critique of the film: many problems, no solutions!</li><li>The reason why there tends to be very little disruption in the art world.</li><li>Why the art world needs to evolve, innovate, and become more accessible.</li><li>How The Art of Making It could have done a better job of inspiring change.</li></ul>For more information, please visit <a href="http://notrealart.com/the-art-of-making-it" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://notrealart.com/the-art-of-making-it</a>

‘The Art of Making It’ Film Review: How the Art World Lost Its Soul

Tex Hammond

It’s been said one man’s trash is another’s treasure. Today’s podcast guest, emerging artist Tex Hammond, transforms discarded items like wood, glass, Styrofoam, and cardboard into stunning works of art. “I want to learn how to [make my own canvas and paper] and repurpose things like that because it’s less wasteful and there is no downside to it,” says the LA-based artist, who uses unconventional surfaces in his colorful, eco-conscious work. Bursting with scribbles, doodles, and blobs of paint, Tex’s work is heavily influenced by artists like Picasso, Jackson Pollock, and Jean-Michel Basquiat, who took a childlike approach to artmaking. In today’s podcast episode, host and NOT REAL ART founder Scott “Sourdough” Power sits down with Tex to chat about the young artist’s brief but prolific career. At just 16 years old, Tex boasts an impressive resume that would make any professional artist envious. He is the youngest artist ever to exhibit at the LA Art Show, where his entire inventory sold out two years in a row. Over three years, he’s held three solo shows, donating the proceeds to charitable organizations like The Tree Academy, Miles 4 Migrants, and PS ART. His work has also been featured on HBO’s The Hype.Inspired by graffiti, music, and video games, Tex incorporates elements of pop and youth culture into his eco-conscious work. A doodler as a child, Tex fell in love with portraiture at 10 years old after he drew his mother eating pizza at the Los Angeles County Museum of Art. While his current work is abstract, it clings to the contours of figuration, of portraiture. In the interview, Tex shares insight into his practice, the trajectory of his career, and what it means to find your purpose. “[If I knew that] I could be happy, live comfortably for the rest of my life, and paint whenever I needed to, I would choose that,” he says. “All of the other stuff is just [an illusion].”Key Points From This Episode:How Tex is constantly innovating and exploring new mediums as his practice matures.Ways that he upcycles and repurposes unconventional materials.When he first knew that he was an artist and the role his mom has played in his career.An understanding of what Tex means when he refers to his “spiritual hand.”Insight into the special, supportive relationship he has with his mom.The story of how Tex was first “discovered” after his first show in LA.Why Tex believes that being true to your vision is important.How his work takes inspiration from classic art genres.Whether or not Tex identifies with being an “old soul” or “mature for his age.”His opinion of AI, social media, trending content, and the state of the world.How Tex uses painting as a form of escape from the chaotic world around him.Reflecting on privacy versus fame in relation to success.What Tex believes it means to find your purpose and elicit an emotional response.His growing interests in travel, architecture, film, and more.For more information, please visit http://notrealart.com/tex-hammond

It’s been said one man’s trash is another’s treasure. Today’s podcast guest, emerging artist <a href="https://www.texhammond.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Tex Hammond</a>, transforms discarded items like wood, glass, Styrofoam, and cardboard into stunning works of art. “I want to learn how to [make my own canvas and paper] and repurpose things like that because it’s less wasteful and there is no downside to it,” says the LA-based artist, who uses unconventional surfaces in his colorful, eco-conscious work. Bursting with scribbles, doodles, and blobs of paint, Tex’s work is heavily influenced by artists like Picasso, Jackson Pollock, and Jean-Michel Basquiat, who took a childlike approach to artmaking. In today’s podcast episode, host and NOT REAL ART founder <a href="https://www.notarealartist.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Scott “Sourdough” Power</a> sits down with Tex to chat about the young artist’s brief but prolific career. At just 16 years old, Tex boasts an impressive resume that would make any professional artist envious. He is the youngest artist ever to exhibit at the LA Art Show, where his entire inventory sold out two years in a row. Over three years, he’s held three solo shows, donating the proceeds to charitable organizations like The Tree Academy, Miles 4 Migrants, and PS ART. His work has also been featured on HBO’s The Hype.Inspired by graffiti, music, and video games, Tex incorporates elements of pop and youth culture into his eco-conscious work. A doodler as a child, Tex fell in love with portraiture at 10 years old after he drew his mother eating pizza at the Los Angeles County Museum of Art. While his current work is abstract, it clings to the contours of figuration, of portraiture. In the interview, Tex shares insight into his practice, the trajectory of his career, and what it means to find your purpose. “[If I knew that] I could be happy, live comfortably for the rest of my life, and paint whenever I needed to, I would choose that,” he says. “All of the other stuff is just [an illusion].”Key Points From This Episode:<ul><li>How Tex is constantly innovating and exploring new mediums as his practice matures.</li><li>Ways that he upcycles and repurposes unconventional materials.</li><li>When he first knew that he was an artist and the role his mom has played in his career.</li><li>An understanding of what Tex means when he refers to his “spiritual hand.”</li><li>Insight into the special, supportive relationship he has with his mom.</li><li>The story of how Tex was first “discovered” after his first show in LA.</li><li>Why Tex believes that being true to your vision is important.</li><li>How his work takes inspiration from classic art genres.</li><li>Whether or not Tex identifies with being an “old soul” or “mature for his age.”</li><li>His opinion of AI, social media, trending content, and the state of the world.</li><li>How Tex uses painting as a form of escape from the chaotic world around him.</li><li>Reflecting on privacy versus fame in relation to success.</li><li>What Tex believes it means to find your purpose and elicit an emotional response.</li><li>His growing interests in travel, architecture, film, and more.</li></ul>For more information, please visit <a href="http://notrealart.com/tex-hammond" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://notrealart.com/tex-hammond</a>

Tex Hammond: Discovering Your Artistic Vision

Ashfaq Ishaq

What’s the best way to spark meaningful social transformation? Today’s guest, Dr. Ashfaq Ishaq, believes he has an answer: “If you are looking at social justice or equity or the environment, [creativity and empathy are important for all of these things],” he says. “Through the arts, we can cultivate creativity and grow mutual empathy.” On today’s podcast episode, host and NOT REAL ART founder Scott “Sourdough” Power sits down with Dr. Ashfaq Ishaq to discuss his role as founder and executive chairman of the International Child Art Foundation (ICAF), an organization that fosters the imagination of children and infuses it with empathy. The ICAF organizes and produces several programs intended to create the next generation of empaths, including their flagship after-school program, Arts Olympiad, and the World Children’s Festival, a three-day celebration of creativity, diversity, and unity. “The [World Children’s Festival] should be such a positive experience that it becomes transformative for the children,” says Dr. Ishaq. “Only a positive, transformative experience can wash away the adverse childhood experiences that a child may have suffered from – These children see each other and they can co-imagine and co-create art and communicate with each other through the universal language of art so that they can become empowered to disrupt the generational transmission of trauma.”In today’s episode, Dr. Ishaq shares the ICAF’s origin story, what it means to foster future generations of creative empaths, and how the universal language of art can empower children to disrupt generational trauma. Scott and Dr. Ishaq also discuss the role of sports and STEM programs in holistic education, why we should be a nation of creators rather than consumers, and what you can do to support “a brighter, more peaceful, prosperous, and sustainable future.”Tune into today’s episode with Dr. Ashfaq Ishaq for a fascinating conversation about coloring outside the lines. Key Points From This Episode:Insight into Ashfaq’s vision and the work ICAF does to democratize creativity.How empathy makes creativity morally positive rather than morally neutral.Ways that ICAF seeks to address serious issues like transgenerational trauma.Why Ashfaq believes that we don’t value children’s creativity as a society.Capitalism as an outdated model and why we need to build a nation of empathic creators.What inspired Ashfaq’s interest in creativity and how ICAF counters the “fourth-grade slump.”The power of imagination and holistic STEAMS education that includes art and sports.What it means to develop a nation of creators rather than consumers.The need for imagination and creativity in order to use AI effectively.A look at why Ashfaq says that he is “disappointed in American artists.”An overview of his background in economics and what led him to create ICAF.How imagination enhances human discovery in a creative-empathic future.The importance of expanding on our overly simplistic definition of creativity.Benefits of cultivating design-thinking and collective creativity in corporations.Ways that you can support the International Child Art Foundation.For more information, please visit http://notrealart.com/ashfaq-ishaq

What’s the best way to spark meaningful social transformation? Today’s guest, <a href="https://ashfaqishaq.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Dr. Ashfaq Ishaq</a>, believes he has an answer: “If you are looking at social justice or equity or the environment, [creativity and empathy are important for all of these things],” he says. “Through the arts, we can cultivate creativity and grow mutual empathy.” On today’s podcast episode, host and NOT REAL ART founder <a href="https://www.notarealartist.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Scott “Sourdough” Power</a> sits down with Dr. Ashfaq Ishaq to discuss his role as founder and executive chairman of the <a href="https://www.icaf.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">International Child Art Foundation</a> (ICAF), an organization that fosters the imagination of children and infuses it with empathy. The ICAF organizes and produces several programs intended to create the next generation of empaths, including their flagship after-school program, <a href="https://www.icaf.org/mission/arts-olympiad" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Arts Olympiad</a>, and the <a href="https://www.icaf.org/mission/world-childrens-festival" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">World Children’s Festival</a>, a three-day celebration of creativity, diversity, and unity. “The [World Children’s Festival] should be such a positive experience that it becomes transformative for the children,” says Dr. Ishaq. “Only a positive, transformative experience can wash away the adverse childhood experiences that a child may have suffered from – These children see each other and they can co-imagine and co-create art and communicate with each other through the universal language of art so that they can become empowered to disrupt the generational transmission of trauma.”In today’s episode, Dr. Ishaq shares the ICAF’s origin story, what it means to foster future generations of creative empaths, and how the universal language of art can empower children to disrupt generational trauma. Scott and Dr. Ishaq also discuss the role of sports and STEM programs in holistic education, why we should be a nation of creators rather than consumers, and what you can do to support “a brighter, more peaceful, prosperous, and sustainable future.”Tune into today’s episode with Dr. Ashfaq Ishaq for a fascinating conversation about coloring outside the lines. Key Points From This Episode:<ul><li>Insight into Ashfaq’s vision and the work ICAF does to democratize creativity.</li><li>How empathy makes creativity morally positive rather than morally neutral.</li><li>Ways that ICAF seeks to address serious issues like transgenerational trauma.</li><li>Why Ashfaq believes that we don’t value children’s creativity as a society.</li><li>Capitalism as an outdated model and why we need to build a nation of empathic creators.</li><li>What inspired Ashfaq’s interest in creativity and how ICAF counters the “fourth-grade slump.”</li><li>The power of imagination and holistic STEAMS education that includes art and sports.</li><li>What it means to develop a nation of creators rather than consumers.</li><li>The need for imagination and creativity in order to use AI effectively.</li><li>A look at why Ashfaq says that he is “disappointed in American artists.”</li><li>An overview of his background in economics and what led him to create ICAF.</li><li>How imagination enhances human discovery in a creative-empathic future.</li><li>The importance of expanding on our overly simplistic definition of creativity.</li><li>Benefits of cultivating design-thinking and collective creativity in corporations.</li><li>Ways that you can support the International Child Art Foundation.</li></ul>For more information, please visit <a href="http://notrealart.com/ashfaq-ishaq" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://notrealart.com/ashfaq-ishaq</a>

Dr. Ashfaq Ishaq: Harnessing Creativity for Positive Social Change

Ann Morgan

Some artists are rebels at heart. Today’s guest, Jo-Ann Morgan, found her inner iconoclast as professor emeritus of African American studies and art history at Western Illinois University. Jo-Ann is also a professional fiber artist and one among six winners of NOT REAL ART’s 2022 artist grant. Established in 2019, the grant is awarded annually to six working artists who push the boundaries of what’s possible in the art world. Today, host and NOT REAL ART founder Scott “Sourdough” Power sits down with Jo-Ann Morgan to discuss the evocative fiber work that netted her a spot as one of last year’s grant winners. “I usually don't like to talk about work until it's done,” says Jo-Ann, whose elaborate wall hangings are lovingly stitched in remembrance of violence victims. Works like “Daddy Changed the World” and “Elegy for Elijah” commemorate George Floyd and Elijah McClain, who both recently died at the hands of police in separate encounters. Similarly, "Lady Corona Comforts the Children" depicts a maternal apparition who watches over the children separated from their parents at the US/Mexico border. “There's always something going on that is worthy of remembering,” says Jo-Ann, who adopted her signature social justice art after becoming an art historian. “I learned a lot from researching the African American artists of the late sixties,” she says, explaining her urge to rebel against the dominant “Western traditions” typically taught in art school. The artists she studied as a historian made a concerted effort to avoid “Neoclassical art, to develop their own vocabulary, way of working, themes, subject matter that was germane to the African American experience.”A full-time working artist, Jo-Ann is also the author of The Black Arts Movement and the Black Panther Party in American Visual Culture and Uncle Tom’s Cabin as Visual Culture. Tune into today’s episode with Jo-Ann Morgan to hear about the artist’s ongoing series of wall hangings intended to honor the 19 student victims at Robb Elementary in Uvalde, Texas. Key Points From This Episode:Introducing visual artist and NOT REAL ART grant winner, Jo-Ann Morgan.How Jo-Ann returned to artmaking during the pandemic.What drew her to apply for the NOT REAL ART Grant.Jo-Ann’s art background and why she feels compelled to rebel against Western art standards.What she learned from researching African American artists of the late sixties.How the art world has evolved since Jo-Ann studied fine art.Insight into Jo-Ann’s art-making process.What drew her to the world of academia and teaching art history.Her journey from artmaking to academia and back.How the Black Lives Matter movement inspired the content of her art.Jo-Ann describes her piece, Elegy for Elijah.Why she typically doesn’t like to talk about work until it's complete.The collection she’s working on in honor of the 19 child victims of the Uvalde school shooting.Jo-Ann elaborates on her creative process and workflow.An observation about her fellow art history students, who didn't appreciate art or artists.For more information, please visit http://notrealart.com/jo-ann-morgan

Some artists are rebels at heart. Today’s guest, Jo-Ann Morgan, found her inner iconoclast as professor emeritus of African American studies and art history at Western Illinois University. Jo-Ann is also a professional fiber artist and one among six winners of NOT REAL ART’s 2022 artist grant. Established in 2019, the grant is awarded annually to six working artists who push the boundaries of what’s possible in the art world. Today, host and NOT REAL ART founder <a href="https://www.notarealartist.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Scott “Sourdough” Power</a> sits down with <a href="https://www.picturingblackpower.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Jo-Ann Morgan</a> to discuss the evocative fiber work that netted her a spot as one of last year’s grant winners. “I usually don't like to talk about work until it's done,” says Jo-Ann, whose elaborate wall hangings are lovingly stitched in remembrance of violence victims. Works like <a href="https://www.picturingblackpower.com/images?pgid=kphi5tj5-0970a0cb-d43c-470c-94c9-bc21c74a0c03" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">“Daddy Changed the World”</a> and <a href="https://www.picturingblackpower.com/images?pgid=kphi5tj5-eb9285a5-82af-44fd-9c0d-123deacd4670" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">“Elegy for Elijah”</a> commemorate George Floyd and Elijah McClain, who both recently died at the hands of police in separate encounters. Similarly, "Lady Corona Comforts the Children" depicts a maternal apparition who watches over the children separated from their parents at the US/Mexico border. “There's always something going on that is worthy of remembering,” says Jo-Ann, who adopted her signature social justice art after becoming an art historian. “I learned a lot from researching the African American artists of the late sixties,” she says, explaining her urge to rebel against the dominant “Western traditions” typically taught in art school. The artists she studied as a historian made a concerted effort to avoid “Neoclassical art, to develop their own vocabulary, way of working, themes, subject matter that was germane to the African American experience.”A full-time working artist, Jo-Ann is also the author of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Movement-Panther-American-Routledge-Research/dp/1138605921" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">The Black Arts Movement and the Black Panther Party in American Visual Culture</a> and <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Uncle-Toms-Cabin-Visual-Culture/dp/0826220770" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Uncle Tom’s Cabin as Visual Culture</a>. Tune into today’s episode with Jo-Ann Morgan to hear about the artist’s ongoing series of wall hangings intended to honor the 19 student victims at Robb Elementary in Uvalde, Texas. Key Points From This Episode:<ul><li>Introducing visual artist and NOT REAL ART grant winner, Jo-Ann Morgan.</li><li>How Jo-Ann returned to artmaking during the pandemic.</li><li>What drew her to apply for the NOT REAL ART Grant.</li><li>Jo-Ann’s art background and why she feels compelled to rebel against Western art standards.</li><li>What she learned from researching African American artists of the late sixties.</li><li>How the art world has evolved since Jo-Ann studied fine art.</li><li>Insight into Jo-Ann’s art-making process.</li><li>What drew her to the world of academia and teaching art history.</li><li>Her journey from artmaking to academia and back.</li><li>How the Black Lives Matter movement inspired the content of her art.</li><li>Jo-Ann describes her piece, Elegy for Elijah.</li><li>Why she typically doesn’t like to talk about work until it's complete.</li><li>The collection she’s working on in honor of the 19 child victims of the Uvalde school shooting.</li><li>Jo-Ann elaborates on her creative process and workflow.</li><li>An observation about her fellow art history students, who didn't appreciate art or artists.</li></ul>For more information, please visit <a href="http://notrealart.com/jo-ann-morgan" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://notrealart.com/jo-ann-morgan</a>

NOT REAL ART 2022 Grant Winner Jo-Ann Morgan: The Fiber Artist Paying Tribute to Victims of Violence

Some people are problem-solvers by nature. With 15 years of experience in the tech industry and a background in art business, today’s guest, Badir McCleary, knows how to fix nearly any problem the art world throws at him.On today’s podcast, host Scott “Sourdough” Power sits down with Badir—a longtime friend of NOT REAL ART—to discuss how the entrepreneur’s problem-solving skills helped him forge a unique, multifaceted career in the arts. Growing up, Badir was “really good at taking things apart and putting them back together,” a skill his parents cultivated at every opportunity. “That gave me the confidence that I could get into something and problem-solve,” he says early in the interview. “That’s where my creativity in tech and also my problem-solving in art comes from.”Based in Los Angeles, Badir is the founder of Art Above Reality, a full-service art consulting and curatorial firm focused on “vision, history, and people.” In 2015 he co-founded Gallery 38, a contemporary gallery that catered to artists of color, along with the Gallery 38 Mural Program, which brought those same artists into the community. With a background in curating, consulting, and writing, Badir is uniquely positioned to face the challenges of a changing industry. Above all, he champions soft skills, like respect, leadership, and the ability to listen: “I pride myself on being that type of person,” he says. “Always being able to listen. Someone always has something to teach you.” In today’s episode, Badir elaborates on the skills he learned while earning his MA in art business from Sotheby’s Institute of Art. He also shares his thoughts on the distinction between public art and “real art,” the importance of creating opportunities for artists to be seen, and how artist-run spaces allow artists to establish new definitions of art.While Badir is already a near and dear friend, we’re excited to announce he’ll join us as a collaborator on the production of Video Stories, an upcoming new series from NOT REAL ART. Tune into the episode to find out more about Video Stories and hear our conversation with the always fascinating Badir McCleary.Key Points From This Episode:The immense value of listening and continuous learning.How Badir’s tech background informs the way he serves those in the art world.Insight into his career journey and the story of when he first fell in love with art.Badir’s ability to appreciate, analyze, and provide solutions to problems in the art world.What the Sotheby’s Institute taught him about art history, business, and management.The importance of having a common language to truly communicate and connect.Reflecting on the role of etiquette, responsibility, and respect in the art world.What the words “create what you want to create” mean to Badir.Exploring the distinction between public art and so-called real art.A look at Video Stories, the collaborative project Badir is creating with Not Real Art.How Not Real Art and the Not Real Art Grant provide artists with “opportunities to be seen.”Why Badir is in favor of artist-run spaces that allow artists to define art for themselves.Bonding over our shared love for educating and enlightening art lovers.Why it’s important to check your prejudices at the door: not all collectors wear Gucci!What to expect from Video Stories, which showcases Badir’s love for public art.For more information, please visit http://notrealart.com/badir-mccleary

Some people are problem-solvers by nature. With 15 years of experience in the tech industry and a background in art business, today’s guest, <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/badir-mccleary-60a9bb8/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Badir McCleary</a>, knows how to fix nearly any problem the art world throws at him.On today’s podcast, host <a href="https://www.notarealartist.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Scott “Sourdough” Power</a> sits down with Badir—a longtime friend of NOT REAL ART—to discuss how the entrepreneur’s problem-solving skills helped him forge a unique, multifaceted career in the arts. Growing up, Badir was “really good at taking things apart and putting them back together,” a skill his parents cultivated at every opportunity. “That gave me the confidence that I could get into something and problem-solve,” he says early in the interview. “That’s where my creativity in tech and also my problem-solving in art comes from.”Based in Los Angeles, Badir is the founder of <a href="https://artabovereality.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Art Above Reality</a>, a full-service art consulting and curatorial firm focused on “vision, history, and people.” In 2015 he co-founded <a href="https://gallery38.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Gallery 38</a>, a contemporary gallery that catered to artists of color, along with the Gallery 38 Mural Program, which brought those same artists into the community. With a background in curating, consulting, and writing, Badir is uniquely positioned to face the challenges of a changing industry. Above all, he champions soft skills, like respect, leadership, and the ability to listen: “I pride myself on being that type of person,” he says. “Always being able to listen. Someone always has something to teach you.” In today’s episode, Badir elaborates on the skills he learned while earning his MA in art business from Sotheby’s Institute of Art. He also shares his thoughts on the distinction between public art and “real art,” the importance of creating opportunities for artists to be seen, and how artist-run spaces allow artists to establish new definitions of art.While Badir is already a near and dear friend, we’re excited to announce he’ll join us as a collaborator on the production of Video Stories, an upcoming new series from NOT REAL ART. Tune into the episode to find out more about Video Stories and hear our conversation with the always fascinating Badir McCleary.Key Points From This Episode:<ul><li>The immense value of listening and continuous learning.</li><li>How Badir’s tech background informs the way he serves those in the art world.</li><li>Insight into his career journey and the story of when he first fell in love with art.</li><li>Badir’s ability to appreciate, analyze, and provide solutions to problems in the art world.</li><li>What the Sotheby’s Institute taught him about art history, business, and management.</li><li>The importance of having a common language to truly communicate and connect.</li><li>Reflecting on the role of etiquette, responsibility, and respect in the art world.</li><li>What the words “create what you want to create” mean to Badir.</li><li>Exploring the distinction between public art and so-called real art.</li><li>A look at Video Stories, the collaborative project Badir is creating with Not Real Art.</li><li>How Not Real Art and the Not Real Art Grant provide artists with “opportunities to be seen.”</li><li>Why Badir is in favor of artist-run spaces that allow artists to define art for themselves.</li><li>Bonding over our shared love for educating and enlightening art lovers.</li><li>Why it’s important to check your prejudices at the door: not all collectors wear Gucci!</li><li>What to expect from Video Stories, which showcases Badir’s love for public art.</li></ul>For more information, please visit <a href="http://notrealart.com/badir-mccleary" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://notrealart.com/badir-mccleary</a>

Badir McCleary: The Consultant Creating Opportunities for Artists To Be Seen

Mary Lai

Pablo Picasso once said, “Everything you can imagine is real.” While the imagination is a powerful—and necessary—tool for artists, today’s guest believes success takes more than simply having a dream; it requires a solid game plan to become a reality.“The key to manifesting a dream is by daily actions,” says Los Angeles designer Mary Lai, who joins host Scott “Sourdough” Power on today’s podcast episode to discuss her two-decades-long career in the arts. A tireless source of positive energy, Mary creates colorful work—murals, sculptures, digital art, mixed media—that reflects her can-do attitude and sunny disposition. Prior to working as a fine artist, Mary built a decade-long career in NYC as a fashion accessories designer, even creating an award-winning namesake handbag collection. While the time she spent as a designer offered Mary invaluable insight into commercial art, she feels more at home with her current role in fine art. “I don’t think I would have felt as fulfilled doing handbags as I am now,” she tells Scott. “After all those years and experiences, I’m at a point where I can find that balance [between commercial and conceptual art].”Mary also shares her experience as an artist-in-residence at the W Hotel in Westwood, LA, where she recently launched Unlock Your Dreams, a characteristically colorful installation that blends inspirational fantasy with elements of playful nostalgia. The installation celebrates the power of inclusivity, optimism, and individuality, encouraging viewers to follow their own path, in their own way. “I wanted the theme to be ‘unlock your dreams,’” says Mary, “because I wanted to [show] that dreams can come true by creating these doors and opportunities for yourself.”Tune into our conversation with Mary Lai, who sheds light on the importance of community, collaboration, and failing your way to success.Key Points From This Episode:How the opportunity to be an artist-in-residence at the W came about.Why artists need to learn to “wear multiple hats.”Finding a balance between commercial and conceptual art.Dispelling the misconceptions that many artists have about overnight success.Insight into Unlock Your Dreams, the theme for the body of work Mary created for the W.Why Mary believes it’s important to lift other artists up and showcase their work.A behind-the-scenes look at the process of creating work for this artist-in-residence program.The inspiration for Mary’s Dream Portal sculpture, which employs augmented reality.Benefits of collaborating with other artists to bring your vision to life.What it means to be an artist-in-residence (and whether it included a stay in the penthouse!).How Mary’s graphic design experience influences her artmaking practice.Artists as magicians and the emotion and soul it brings to their work.Why having journalist Lisa Ling at the opening night was so special for Mary.Art as an essential service that reflects the culture of the time it was created.A look at Mary’s high school experience and when she knew she was going to be an artist.What’s next for Mary, where you can see her work, her definition of success, and more!For more information, please visit http://notrealart.com/mary-lai

Pablo Picasso once said, “Everything you can imagine is real.” While the imagination is a powerful—and necessary—tool for artists, today’s guest believes success takes more than simply having a dream; it requires a solid game plan to become a reality.“The key to manifesting a dream is by daily actions,” says Los Angeles designer <a href="https://www.marylai.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Mary Lai</a>, who joins host <a href="https://www.notarealartist.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Scott “Sourdough” Power</a> on today’s podcast episode to discuss her two-decades-long career in the arts. A tireless source of positive energy, Mary creates colorful work—murals, sculptures, digital art, mixed media—that reflects her can-do attitude and sunny disposition. Prior to working as a fine artist, Mary built a decade-long career in NYC as a fashion accessories designer, even creating an award-winning namesake handbag collection. While the time she spent as a designer offered Mary invaluable insight into commercial art, she feels more at home with her current role in fine art. “I don’t think I would have felt as fulfilled doing handbags as I am now,” she tells Scott. “After all those years and experiences, I’m at a point where I can find that balance [between commercial and conceptual art].”Mary also shares her experience as an artist-in-residence at the W Hotel in Westwood, LA, where she recently launched <a href="https://www.marylai.com/w-hotel" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Unlock Your Dreams</a>, a characteristically colorful installation that blends inspirational fantasy with elements of playful nostalgia. The installation celebrates the power of inclusivity, optimism, and individuality, encouraging viewers to follow their own path, in their own way. “I wanted the theme to be ‘unlock your dreams,’” says Mary, “because I wanted to [show] that dreams can come true by creating these doors and opportunities for yourself.”Tune into our conversation with Mary Lai, who sheds light on the importance of community, collaboration, and failing your way to success.Key Points From This Episode:<ul><li>How the opportunity to be an artist-in-residence at the W came about.</li><li>Why artists need to learn to “wear multiple hats.”</li><li>Finding a balance between commercial and conceptual art.</li><li>Dispelling the misconceptions that many artists have about overnight success.</li><li>Insight into Unlock Your Dreams, the theme for the body of work Mary created for the W.</li><li>Why Mary believes it’s important to lift other artists up and showcase their work.</li><li>A behind-the-scenes look at the process of creating work for this artist-in-residence program.</li><li>The inspiration for Mary’s Dream Portal sculpture, which employs augmented reality.</li><li>Benefits of collaborating with other artists to bring your vision to life.</li><li>What it means to be an artist-in-residence (and whether it included a stay in the penthouse!).</li><li>How Mary’s graphic design experience influences her artmaking practice.</li><li>Artists as magicians and the emotion and soul it brings to their work.</li><li>Why having journalist Lisa Ling at the opening night was so special for Mary.</li><li>Art as an essential service that reflects the culture of the time it was created.</li><li>A look at Mary’s high school experience and when she knew she was going to be an artist.</li><li>What’s next for Mary, where you can see her work, her definition of success, and more!</li></ul>For more information, please visit <a href="http://notrealart.com/mary-lai" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://notrealart.com/mary-lai</a>

Mary Lai: What It Means To Unlock Your Dreams

Michael Massenburg

If you’re a regular listener of the Not Real Art Podcast, you’ll likely agree that art has the ability to educate, entertain, provoke thought, and illicit a wide range of emotions. Today’s guest believes that, as long as you can make a viewer feel something, you’re on the right path! Joining us is Michael Massenburg, an African American teaching artist and community organizer. Born in San Diego, raised in South Central Los Angeles, and based in Inglewood, Micheal says that he began his career at the Watts Towers Arts Center in Los Angeles, influenced by the Watts Rebellion, the Black Art Movement of the 1960s, and the 1992 Los Angeles Uprising. His socially-informed practice speaks to historical, cultural, and personal narratives and incorporates a diverse range of materials, combining painting, collage, photography, and assemblage to explore the African diaspora experience in the Americas. Michael is also what you would call an “artivist” (or an art activist), devoting much of his time to art education, lectures, and community organizing. In today’s episode, Michael shares how travel helped shape his perspective, why he believes that he was called to be an artist, and why labels like “Black art” are important. We also discuss how his former arts organization, The Collective, carried the torch for Black artists, and why Michael believes that artists and educators can be a voice for those who have had their own voices suppressed. Tune in for all this and more!Key Points From This Episode:Memories from Michael’s childhood and how his upbringing inspired his love for travel.Some of the first journeys he made as an artist, including a life-changing trip to Haiti.The “three Americas:” Indigenous people, immigrants, and those brought over as property.How traveling shifted Michael’s perspective on what it means to be an African born in America.Spiritual Nature, Michael’s exhibition about the African diaspora experience in the Americas.Why he chooses to create work about community, family, sociopolitical issues, and history.Unpacking Michael’s belief that artists and educators are the voice of the people.The story of how he realized that he was called to be an artist.How Michael gained his knowledge of business and entrepreneurship.The influence that Charles White had on Michael’s decision to study at Otis.How The Collective carried the torch for Black artists who are no longer with us.Michael’s take on the significance of labels like “Black art.”An experience in Barcelona that made Michael recognize art as a common language. A look at the Future of Dreams project that he created with a collaborator in Columbia.The importance of traveling “without entitlement.”Ways that Michael believes artists can minimize the problems of the world.For more information, please visit http://notrealart.com/michael-massenburg

If you’re a regular listener of the Not Real Art Podcast, you’ll likely agree that art has the ability to educate, entertain, provoke thought, and illicit a wide range of emotions. Today’s guest believes that, as long as you can make a viewer feel something, you’re on the right path! Joining us is Michael Massenburg, an African American teaching artist and community organizer. Born in San Diego, raised in South Central Los Angeles, and based in Inglewood, Micheal says that he began his career at the Watts Towers Arts Center in Los Angeles, influenced by the Watts Rebellion, the Black Art Movement of the 1960s, and the 1992 Los Angeles Uprising. His socially-informed practice speaks to historical, cultural, and personal narratives and incorporates a diverse range of materials, combining painting, collage, photography, and assemblage to explore the African diaspora experience in the Americas. Michael is also what you would call an “artivist” (or an art activist), devoting much of his time to art education, lectures, and community organizing. In today’s episode, Michael shares how travel helped shape his perspective, why he believes that he was called to be an artist, and why labels like “Black art” are important. We also discuss how his former arts organization, The Collective, carried the torch for Black artists, and why Michael believes that artists and educators can be a voice for those who have had their own voices suppressed. Tune in for all this and more!Key Points From This Episode:<ul><li>Memories from Michael’s childhood and how his upbringing inspired his love for travel.</li><li>Some of the first journeys he made as an artist, including a life-changing trip to Haiti.</li><li>The “three Americas:” Indigenous people, immigrants, and those brought over as property.</li><li>How traveling shifted Michael’s perspective on what it means to be an African born in America.</li><li>Spiritual Nature, Michael’s exhibition about the African diaspora experience in the Americas.</li><li>Why he chooses to create work about community, family, sociopolitical issues, and history.</li><li>Unpacking Michael’s belief that artists and educators are the voice of the people.</li><li>The story of how he realized that he was called to be an artist.</li><li>How Michael gained his knowledge of business and entrepreneurship.</li><li>The influence that Charles White had on Michael’s decision to study at Otis.</li><li>How The Collective carried the torch for Black artists who are no longer with us.</li><li>Michael’s take on the significance of labels like “Black art.”</li><li>An experience in Barcelona that made Michael recognize art as a common language. </li><li>A look at the Future of Dreams project that he created with a collaborator in Columbia.</li><li>The importance of traveling “without entitlement.”</li><li>Ways that Michael believes artists can minimize the problems of the world.</li></ul>For more information, please visit <a href="http://notrealart.com/michael-massenburg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://notrealart.com/michael-massenburg</a>

Michael Massenburg: Artists are the Voice of the People

One essential trait that differentiates us from animals is creativity—you could say it’s what makes us human. Today’s podcast guest believes creativity not only cultivates connection, better health, and critical thinking but can also “help humanity save itself.” In today’s episode, host and NOT REAL ART founder Scott “Sourdough” Power introduces 2022 NOT REAL ART grant winner Ellamaria Foley-Ray, a visionary artist who combines ceramics, literature, anthropology, and quilt-making to magical effect. The annual grant, established in 2019, provides financial backing and creative support to working artists across the US who challenge the meaning of “real art.”“[The phrase] ‘not real art’ has Western, colonial, oppressive tones that define some creatives as legitimate art-makers and the rest of us as imposters who fail at making ‘real art,’” says Ellamaria, whose work explores African culture across the continent and throughout the diaspora. Treating clay like cloth, the professor of African American studies and visual anthropology creates ceramic quilt sculptures that chronicle the rich history of African art, expression, and storytelling the world over. “When I carefully listen to my internal ancestral voices and consider ways to bring clay to cloth, I’m no longer interested in making ‘real art,’ but in creating ceramic quilts that touch viewers from the inside out,” she continues. As both a visual artist and anthropologist, Ellamaria strives to educate viewers on the complex cultural aesthetic of Africans across the globe in the 21st century. The Denver artist incorporates quilting into her practice “as a way to talk to ancestral women,” who were considered keepers of the domestic craft. Instead of traditional cloth, Ellamaria sculpts with clay because it speaks to her soul: “I am using clay because that is how I write the narratives I tell,” she says.Viewing artmaking as a “portal to healing,” Ellamaria encourages adults to “come home” to their creativity: “Life is calling us to come back to that space where we are creating beauty, to come home to who we are as poets, novelists, playwrights, dancers, comedians, sculptors, and painters,” she says before adding, “Life is calling us to do this in an attempt to help humanity save itself.” Tune into today’s episode on the player below to hear our conversation with NOT REAL ART grant winner Ellamaria Foley-Ray.In Today’s EpisodeEllamaria Foley-Ray discusses…Winning the NOT REAL ART grant and her subsequent plans for the awardHer current body of work, which is inspired by civil rights leader Rachel Noel and writer Octavia ButlerThe power of ancestry, storytelling, and creativity for healingHow her deep emotional connection to clay beganHow she balances teaching with studio timeWhy the pandemic brought so many people back to their creativityHer advice for staying healthy, safe, and curiousHow art and fiction offer opportunities to solve social justice problemsThe ceramic quilt she wants to make nextFor more information, please visit http://notrealart.com/ellamaria-foley-ray

One essential trait that differentiates us from animals is creativity—you could say it’s what makes us human. Today’s podcast guest believes creativity not only cultivates connection, better health, and critical thinking but can also “help humanity save itself.” In today’s episode, host and NOT REAL ART founder <a href="https://www.notarealartist.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Scott “Sourdough” Power</a> introduces 2022 NOT REAL ART grant winner <a href="https://www.eafoley-ray.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Ellamaria Foley-Ray</a>, a visionary artist who combines ceramics, literature, anthropology, and quilt-making to magical effect. The <a href="https://notrealart.com/grant/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">annual grant</a>, established in 2019, provides financial backing and creative support to working artists across the US who challenge the meaning of “real art.”“[The phrase] ‘not real art’ has Western, colonial, oppressive tones that define some creatives as legitimate art-makers and the rest of us as imposters who fail at making ‘real art,’” says Ellamaria, whose work explores African culture across the continent and throughout the diaspora. Treating clay like cloth, the professor of African American studies and visual anthropology creates ceramic quilt sculptures that chronicle the rich history of African art, expression, and storytelling the world over. “When I carefully listen to my internal ancestral voices and consider ways to bring clay to cloth, I’m no longer interested in making ‘real art,’ but in creating ceramic quilts that touch viewers from the inside out,” she continues. As both a visual artist and anthropologist, Ellamaria strives to educate viewers on the complex cultural aesthetic of Africans across the globe in the 21st century. The Denver artist incorporates quilting into her practice “as a way to talk to ancestral women,” who were considered keepers of the domestic craft. Instead of traditional cloth, Ellamaria sculpts with clay because it speaks to her soul: “I am using clay because that is how I write the narratives I tell,” she says.Viewing artmaking as a “portal to healing,” Ellamaria encourages adults to “come home” to their creativity: “Life is calling us to come back to that space where we are creating beauty, to come home to who we are as poets, novelists, playwrights, dancers, comedians, sculptors, and painters,” she says before adding, “Life is calling us to do this in an attempt to help humanity save itself.” Tune into today’s episode on the player below to hear our conversation with NOT REAL ART grant winner Ellamaria Foley-Ray.In Today’s EpisodeEllamaria Foley-Ray discusses…<ul><li>Winning the NOT REAL ART grant and her subsequent plans for the award</li><li>Her current body of work, which is inspired by civil rights leader Rachel Noel and writer Octavia Butler</li><li>The power of ancestry, storytelling, and creativity for healing</li><li>How her deep emotional connection to clay began</li><li>How she balances teaching with studio time</li><li>Why the pandemic brought so many people back to their creativity</li><li>Her advice for staying healthy, safe, and curious</li><li>How art and fiction offer opportunities to solve social justice problems</li><li>The ceramic quilt she wants to make next</li></ul>For more information, please visit <a href="http://notrealart.com/ellamaria-foley-ray" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://notrealart.com/ellamaria-foley-ray</a>

NOT REAL ART 2022 Grant Winner Ellamaria Foley-Ray: ‘Come Home’ to Your Creativity

The NOT REAL ART podcast celebrates creative culture and the artists who make it. NOT REAL ART is fresh, fun and inspiring. It contains material not suitable for pretentious art snobs. Guests include the world-class artists, designers and creatives who drive the $2T creative economy.NOT REAL ART is hosted by L.A. based art world insiders Man One and Sourdough who bring their devil-may-care attitude to discussing their mutual love — and hate — for the contemporary art world, creative culture, and everything in between.If you're an an arts professional or creative culture enthusiast, NOT REAL ART is for you!

Such a great podcast! Love hearing the stories and topics shared !

Love it!

Very casual and deep at the same time.  Just sit back and genuinely enjoy conversations about art.

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The NOT REAL ART podcast celebrates creative culture and the artists who make it. NOT REAL ART is fresh, fun and inspiring. It contains material not suitable for pretentious art snobs. Guests include the world-class artists, designers and creatives who drive the $2T creative economy. NOT REAL ART is hosted by L.A. based art world insiders Man One and Sourdough who bring their devil-may-care attitude to discussing their mutual love — and hate — for the contemporary art world, creative culture, and everything in between. If you're an an arts professional or creative culture enthusiast, NOT REAL ART is for you!

Not Real Art

Michael Oates Palmer

Today on the show we are lucky to have award winning screenwriter, world traveler, melomaniac, gourmand, political junkie, social justice activist and all around great human, Michael Oates Palmer! Michael has worked as a writer on countless TV shows and films, building an unpredictable and varied career over the last twenty years. With many interests and a voracious curiosity for the world around him, Michael has managed to stay astride of his inspiration and keep moving on, even through failure and difficult periods. We chat about journalling practices, the creative process, travel and why the research that goes into new work is one of his favorite parts of the job. Michael also shares some of his deeper philosophies on being at home in the world, round table conversations and the connection between curiosity and empathy. With a huge heart and big mind dedicated to creativity and positive impact, our guest really shows how it is possible to follow your abilities and passions while at the same time thinking about something larger than oneself. This conversation covers everything from film and TV, to music, politics and the geography of the US. For a truly wonderful chat, be sure to tune in to the Not Real Art Podcast today! Key Points From This Episode:  The TV show Michael is currently working on. The current abundance of great TV shows. Why Michael loves research and learning about new things. Travel, wandering and broadening experiences for ones craft. Popularity, quality and how these can exist simultaneously. The importance of differing opinions and meaningful disagreements. Why Anthony Bourdain and Leonard Cohen were such compelling characters. Michael's own creative process and the long winding journey of craft. Is it a better time to be a film and television writer than before? The love of the journey, working on passion projects and staying excited. New Orleans parade lines, dancing and abandoning the ego. Letting it all in, curiosity and a connectedness to the world. Impactful art and protest in a baffling world. The Trojan's horse theory and the benefit of nourishing entertainment. And much more!   Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode: Michael Oates Palmer — https://www.instagram.com/oatespalmer/ Emmy Awards — https://www.emmys.com Robert Redford — https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000602/ Three Days of the Condor — https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/three_days_of_the_condor Condor — https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/condor/s01 Lord of the Flies — https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7624.Lord_of_the_Flies Mr Mercedez — https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/mr_mercedes Silicon Valley — https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/silicon_valley Breaking Bad — https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/breaking_bad Wes Anderson — https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0027572/ Aaron Sorkin — https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0815070/ The West Wing — https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/the-west-wing Picasso — https://www.pablopicasso.org/ Guernica — https://www.pablopicasso.org/guernica.jsp Allen Toussaint — http://allentoussaint.com/ Betty Harris —  https://thevinylfactory.com/news/betty-harris-lost-soul-queen-of-new-orleans-compilation/ Michael's Grandmother's Art — Anthony Bourdain — https://www.mashed.com/94441/untold-truth-anthony-bourdain/ Kitchen Confidential —  https://www.amazon.com/Kitchen-Confidential-Updated-Adventures-Underbelly/dp/0060899220 Leonard Cohen — https://www.leonardcohen.com/ Old Filth Trilogy —  https://www.europaeditions.com/book/9781609452285/old-filth-trilogy-boxed-set Jennifer Egan —http://jenniferegan.com/ A Visit From The Goon Squad —  https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7331435-a-visit-from-the-goon-squad John Steinbeck —  https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/literature/1962/steinbeck/biographical/ Travels with Charley — https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/5306.Travels_with_Charley Writers' Guild — https://www.wga.org/ Stripes — https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083131/ Bill Murray — https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000195/ Game of Thrones —  https://www.hbo.com/game-of-thrones Broadcast News — https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/broadcast_news Tender Mercies — https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/tender_mercies Sundance — http://www.sundance.org/festivals/sundance-film-festival Susan Lucci — http://susanlucci.com/ Michael Keaton — https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000474/ Birdman — https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2562232/ Warren Zevon — http://www.warrenzevon.com/ Straight Outta Compton — https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/straight_outta_compton Pableaux Johnson — http://pableaux.com/ Molly Ivins — https://mollyivinsfilm.com/ The Big Short — https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1596363/ Get Out — https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/get_out Sullivan's Travels — https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/sullivans_travels Man One — http://www.manone.com/ Man One on Twitter — https://twitter.com/ManOneArt Scott “Sourdough” Power — https://www.instagram.com/sourdoughpower/ Not Real Art Conference — https://www.notrealartconference.com/ Not Real Art on Instagram — https://www.instagram.com/notrealartofficial/

Today on the show we are lucky to have award winning screenwriter, world traveler, melomaniac, gourmand, political junkie, social justice activist and all around great human, Michael Oates Palmer! Michael has worked as a writer on countless TV shows and films, building an unpredictable and varied career over the last twenty years. With many interests and a voracious curiosity for the world around him, Michael has managed to stay astride of his inspiration and keep moving on, even through failure and difficult periods. We chat about journalling practices, the creative process, travel and why the research that goes into new work is one of his favorite parts of the job. Michael also shares some of his deeper philosophies on being at home in the world, round table conversations and the connection between curiosity and empathy. With a huge heart and big mind dedicated to creativity and positive impact, our guest really shows how it is possible to follow your abilities and passions while at the same time thinking about something larger than oneself. This conversation covers everything from film and TV, to music, politics and the geography of the US. For a truly wonderful chat, be sure to tune in to the Not Real Art Podcast today! Key Points From This Episode: <ul> <li>The TV show Michael is currently working on.</li> <li>The current abundance of great TV shows.</li> <li>Why Michael loves research and learning about new things.</li> <li>Travel, wandering and broadening experiences for ones craft.</li> <li>Popularity, quality and how these can exist simultaneously.</li> <li>The importance of differing opinions and meaningful disagreements.</li> <li>Why Anthony Bourdain and Leonard Cohen were such compelling characters.</li> <li>Michael's own creative process and the long winding journey of craft.</li> <li>Is it a better time to be a film and television writer than before?</li> <li>The love of the journey, working on passion projects and staying excited.</li> <li>New Orleans parade lines, dancing and abandoning the ego.</li> <li>Letting it all in, curiosity and a connectedness to the world.</li> <li>Impactful art and protest in a baffling world.</li> <li>The Trojan's horse theory and the benefit of nourishing entertainment.</li> <li>And much more! </li> </ul> Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode: Michael Oates Palmer — <a href="https://www.instagram.com/oatespalmer/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/oatespalmer/</a> Emmy Awards — <a href="https://www.emmys.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.emmys.com</a> Robert Redford — <a href="https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000602/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000602/</a> Three Days of the Condor — <a href="https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/three_days_of_the_condor" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/three_days_of_the_condor</a> Condor — <a href="https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/condor/s01" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/condor/s01</a> Lord of the Flies — <a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7624.Lord_of_the_Flies" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7624.Lord_of_the_Flies</a> Mr Mercedez — <a href="https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/mr_mercedes" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/mr_mercedes</a> Silicon Valley — <a href="https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/silicon_valley" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/silicon_valley</a> Breaking Bad — <a href="https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/breaking_bad" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/breaking_bad</a> Wes Anderson — <a href="https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0027572/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0027572/</a> Aaron Sorkin — <a href="https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0815070/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0815070/</a> The West Wing — <a href="https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/the-west-wing" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/the-west-wing</a> Picasso — <a href="https://www.pablopicasso.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.pablopicasso.org/</a> Guernica — <a href="https://www.pablopicasso.org/guernica.jsp" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.pablopicasso.org/guernica.jsp</a> Allen Toussaint — <a href="http://allentoussaint.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://allentoussaint.com/</a> Betty Harris — <a href="https://thevinylfactory.com/news/betty-harris-lost-soul-queen-of-new-orleans-compilation/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> https://thevinylfactory.com/news/betty-harris-lost-soul-queen-of-new-orleans-compilation/</a> Michael's Grandmother's Art — Anthony Bourdain — <a href="https://www.mashed.com/94441/untold-truth-anthony-bourdain/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.mashed.com/94441/untold-truth-anthony-bourdain/</a> Kitchen Confidential — <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Kitchen-Confidential-Updated-Adventures-Underbelly/dp/0060899220" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> https://www.amazon.com/Kitchen-Confidential-Updated-Adventures-Underbelly/dp/0060899220</a> Leonard Cohen — <a href="https://www.leonardcohen.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.leonardcohen.com/</a> Old Filth Trilogy — <a href="https://www.europaeditions.com/book/9781609452285/old-filth-trilogy-boxed-set" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> https://www.europaeditions.com/book/9781609452285/old-filth-trilogy-boxed-set</a> Jennifer Egan —<a href="http://jenniferegan.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://jenniferegan.com/</a> A Visit From The Goon Squad — <a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7331435-a-visit-from-the-goon-squad" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7331435-a-visit-from-the-goon-squad</a> John Steinbeck — <a href="https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/literature/1962/steinbeck/biographical/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/literature/1962/steinbeck/biographical/</a> Travels with Charley — <a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/5306.Travels_with_Charley" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/5306.Travels_with_Charley</a> Writers' Guild — <a href="https://www.wga.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.wga.org/</a> Stripes — <a href="https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083131/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083131/</a> Bill Murray — <a href="https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000195/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000195/</a> Game of Thrones —  <a href="https://www.hbo.com/game-of-thrones" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.hbo.com/game-of-thrones</a> Broadcast News — <a href="https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/broadcast_news" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/broadcast_news</a> Tender Mercies — <a href="https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/tender_mercies" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/tender_mercies</a> Sundance — <a href="http://www.sundance.org/festivals/sundance-film-festival" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.sundance.org/festivals/sundance-film-festival</a> Susan Lucci — <a href="http://susanlucci.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://susanlucci.com/</a> Michael Keaton — <a href="https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000474/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000474/</a> Birdman — <a href="https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2562232/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2562232/</a> Warren Zevon — <a href="http://www.warrenzevon.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.warrenzevon.com/</a> Straight Outta Compton — <a href="https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/straight_outta_compton" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/straight_outta_compton</a> Pableaux Johnson — <a href="http://pableaux.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://pableaux.com/</a> Molly Ivins — <a href="https://mollyivinsfilm.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://mollyivinsfilm.com/</a> The Big Short — <a href="https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1596363/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1596363/</a> Get Out — <a href="https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/get_out" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/get_out</a> Sullivan's Travels — <a href="https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/sullivans_travels" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/sullivans_travels</a> Man One — <a href="http://www.manone.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.manone.com/</a> Man One on Twitter — <a href="https://twitter.com/ManOneArt" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/ManOneArt</a> Scott “Sourdough” Power — <a href="https://www.instagram.com/sourdoughpower/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/sourdoughpower/</a> Not Real Art Conference — <a href="https://www.notrealartconference.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.notrealartconference.com/</a> Not Real Art on Instagram — <a href="https://www.instagram.com/notrealartofficial/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/notrealartofficial/</a>

Ep. 55: Making Television + Sharing the World with Artist Michael Oates Palmer

Ben Goretsky

Our guest today for the show is the one and only Ben Goretsky! Ben is the brains behind 3D Retro and DesignerCon, and today we will talking all about DesignerCon 2019! Ben gives us some insight into just how sleep-deprived and excited he is and we talk about the somewhat controversial but ultimately wonderful move to Anaheim from Pasadena. We talk about what's new, VIP tickets and why this year's event is going to be an all-round kick-ass time! Ben explains some of the great initiatives that are coming to light in 2019 and bringing back some galleries and exhibitions from exile and near-death! He offers some great advice to new vendors and hopefuls for next year, pretty much oozing excitement around the amount of good stuff that is going to be on show very soon. Warning! Listening to this episode will result in you definitely wanting to attend! Listen in to hear all this and more! For more information about artists, links and resources from this episode, please visit https://notrealart.com/designercon2019/. Key Points From This Episode:  The history behind the Sourdough alias! Work in the trenches of preparing for the upcoming DesignerCon. Moving the event from Pasadena to the new venue in Anaheim. The things that Ben is most excited about this time around. VIP tickets, big toy companies and the bigger and better DesignerCon. Bringing back vital and almost forgotten galleries from L.A.'s history. The number of things to see at the show and taking it all in, over time. Ben's recommendation to first time vendors and artists. The wonderful opportunity to meet artists in the flesh. Some of the success stories of motivation and inspiration that come out of the event. A big thanks to the amazing sponsors of this year's DesignerCon. The extra special art show that is happening exclusively at the event. Looking forward to Ben's appearance at the Not Real Art Conference next year! The effect of parenthood on art collection and appreciation.  

Our guest today for the show is the one and only Ben Goretsky! Ben is the brains behind 3D Retro and DesignerCon, and today we will talking all about DesignerCon 2019! Ben gives us some insight into just how sleep-deprived and excited he is and we talk about the somewhat controversial but ultimately wonderful move to Anaheim from Pasadena. We talk about what's new, VIP tickets and why this year's event is going to be an all-round kick-ass time! Ben explains some of the great initiatives that are coming to light in 2019 and bringing back some galleries and exhibitions from exile and near-death! He offers some great advice to new vendors and hopefuls for next year, pretty much oozing excitement around the amount of good stuff that is going to be on show very soon. Warning! Listening to this episode will result in you definitely wanting to attend! Listen in to hear all this and more! For more information about artists, links and resources from this episode, please visit <a href="https://notrealart.com/designercon2019/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://notrealart.com/designercon2019/</a>. Key Points From This Episode: <ul> <li>The history behind the Sourdough alias!</li> <li>Work in the trenches of preparing for the upcoming DesignerCon.</li> <li>Moving the event from Pasadena to the new venue in Anaheim.</li> <li>The things that Ben is most excited about this time around.</li> <li>VIP tickets, big toy companies and the bigger and better DesignerCon.</li> <li>Bringing back vital and almost forgotten galleries from L.A.'s history.</li> <li>The number of things to see at the show and taking it all in, over time.</li> <li>Ben's recommendation to first time vendors and artists.</li> <li>The wonderful opportunity to meet artists in the flesh.</li> <li>Some of the success stories of motivation and inspiration that come out of the event.</li> <li>A big thanks to the amazing sponsors of this year's DesignerCon.</li> <li>The extra special art show that is happening exclusively at the event.</li> <li>Looking forward to Ben's appearance at the Not Real Art Conference next year!</li> <li>The effect of parenthood on art collection and appreciation. </li> </ul>

E72: All About DesignerCon 2019 with Ben Goretsky

Kevin Zinger

It's an honor to have the one and only Kevin Zinger on the show today! Kevin is an entrepreneur who has been driving the skate, surf, and punk rock cultures in San Diego for years. He manufactures clothing, manages bands, produces films, curates art exhibitions, and even has a syndicated radio show! Kevin grew up in Southern California dreaming to be a pro surfer, and while he made cash from his sponsorships each month he was smart enough to realize early on that it wasn't going to be viable as a career choice. His surfing did introduce him to bands like The Offspring, Pennywise, and Sublime, in their fledgling phases though. He began to bring bands like these to his hometown to play at packed venues he was too young to get into for 5 dollars a ticket! Keven shares how this early love for organizing gigs became the center of multiple passion projects that linked art, music, and fashion — while earning him a living too! He has some great stuff to share with us today about how doing what you love may not always make you a millionaire but why that shouldn't stop you. We also get into Kevin’s love for surfing and boxing, hearing the central place they occupy in his life, and he doesn’t leave out some of the gnarly bangs and scrapes he has experienced along the way. Kevin also shares some of the wicked new films he is producing as well as artists he is working with, so hit that play button and get ready for the ride! For more information about artists, links and resources from this episode, please visit https://notrealart.com/kevin-zinger/. Key Points From This Episode:  The special thing about art and how Kevin and Scott can’t get enough of it. How Kevin fell in love with art while immersed in the different subcultures in California. The central place of art and passion in Kevin’s self-made multifaceted career. How Kevin got into organizing gigs working with bands like Pennywise and The Offspring. What defines the word ‘artist’ and how it’s broader than making conventional art. Why being able to occupy different worlds is central to Kevin’s career. Honesty and hard work are key factors to Kevin’s success. More than making millions, Kevin is trying to help artists not have to get a day job. A discussion of the actual profit that Kevin would make by organizing a seemingly big event. Typical artist profits and exploitations, and the reality that all that glitters isn’t gold. The central role that surfing and boxing have in Kevin’s mental health and productivity. Being a surfer was key to the connections Kevin made in the early days of his career. How Kevin nearly lost his ear in a horrific surfing accident crashing into a novice longboarder. What Kevin’s dad taught him and did to become his biggest life inspiration. How Scott and Kevin’s natures saved them from partying hard but not ruining their lives. The details of a binge drinking session with Scott’s friends and Man One in Chicago. A discussion about Kevin’s two new graffiti documentaries. Kevin’s perspectives about profit and relevance in his new documentaries. What stopped Scott making an art film about Kevin Feldman’s Boeing 747 at Burning Man. Scott’s take on Burning Man’s ephemerality, surreality, and communal spirit. Why Kevin hasn’t been to Burning Man yet but might go still. A blow-by-blow account of a crazy art experience Scott had involving drones at Burning Man. What makes Amigo The Devil the best songwriter Kevin has found in decades. 

It's an honor to have the one and only Kevin Zinger on the show today! Kevin is an entrepreneur who has been driving the skate, surf, and punk rock cultures in San Diego for years. He manufactures clothing, manages bands, produces films, curates art exhibitions, and even has a syndicated radio show! Kevin grew up in Southern California dreaming to be a pro surfer, and while he made cash from his sponsorships each month he was smart enough to realize early on that it wasn't going to be viable as a career choice. His surfing did introduce him to bands like The Offspring, Pennywise, and Sublime, in their fledgling phases though. He began to bring bands like these to his hometown to play at packed venues he was too young to get into for 5 dollars a ticket! Keven shares how this early love for organizing gigs became the center of multiple passion projects that linked art, music, and fashion — while earning him a living too! He has some great stuff to share with us today about how doing what you love may not always make you a millionaire but why that shouldn't stop you. We also get into Kevin’s love for surfing and boxing, hearing the central place they occupy in his life, and he doesn’t leave out some of the gnarly bangs and scrapes he has experienced along the way. Kevin also shares some of the wicked new films he is producing as well as artists he is working with, so hit that play button and get ready for the ride! For more information about artists, links and resources from this episode, please visit <a href="https://notrealart.com/kevin-zinger/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://notrealart.com/kevin-zinger/.</a> Key Points From This Episode: <ul> <li>The special thing about art and how Kevin and Scott can’t get enough of it.</li> <li>How Kevin fell in love with art while immersed in the different subcultures in California.</li> <li>The central place of art and passion in Kevin’s self-made multifaceted career.</li> <li>How Kevin got into organizing gigs working with bands like Pennywise and The Offspring.</li> <li>What defines the word ‘artist’ and how it’s broader than making conventional art.</li> <li>Why being able to occupy different worlds is central to Kevin’s career.</li> <li>Honesty and hard work are key factors to Kevin’s success.</li> <li>More than making millions, Kevin is trying to help artists not have to get a day job.</li> <li>A discussion of the actual profit that Kevin would make by organizing a seemingly big event.</li> <li>Typical artist profits and exploitations, and the reality that all that glitters isn’t gold.</li> <li>The central role that surfing and boxing have in Kevin’s mental health and productivity.</li> <li>Being a surfer was key to the connections Kevin made in the early days of his career.</li> <li>How Kevin nearly lost his ear in a horrific surfing accident crashing into a novice longboarder.</li> <li>What Kevin’s dad taught him and did to become his biggest life inspiration.</li> <li>How Scott and Kevin’s natures saved them from partying hard but not ruining their lives.</li> <li>The details of a binge drinking session with Scott’s friends and Man One in Chicago.</li> <li>A discussion about Kevin’s two new graffiti documentaries.</li> <li>Kevin’s perspectives about profit and relevance in his new documentaries.</li> <li>What stopped Scott making an art film about Kevin Feldman’s Boeing 747 at Burning Man.</li> <li>Scott’s take on Burning Man’s ephemerality, surreality, and communal spirit.</li> <li>Why Kevin hasn’t been to Burning Man yet but might go still.</li> <li>A blow-by-blow account of a crazy art experience Scott had involving drones at Burning Man.</li> <li>What makes Amigo The Devil the best songwriter Kevin has found in decades.</li> </ul>

Kevin Zinger: Make The Wave You Ride

Welcome back to the Not Real Art Podcast where we get to wax lyrical about all things art and all things not. Today we are making east coasters super jealous about LA weather and reminding everyone just how unpredictable and adaptable Mother Earth is despite our best, or worst, efforts. Our cynical hosts pitch some ideas for TV shows and books set in a not too distant dystopia and come to the conclusion that humans are generally just greedy animals that don't care about much else. We ruminate on stand-up comedy and what it takes to be funny in public before discussing drinking with the Irish and the professional sport of slapping. From there the conversation turns to Man One's vivid memory of his dad drunk and what it is like being drunk in front of your family. We also discuss fake IDs and the new laws that are being implemented in terms of licenses and 'real ID's and the after effects of 9/11 on this and gun laws. For all this and a bunch more good stuff, be sure to tune in!  Key Points From This Episode:  Comparing the climate of LA to the east coast. Mother nature is unpredictable, the universe is big and scary. Some ideas for new sci-fi books and tv shows. Stand-up comedy before you die. The league of slappers and rules to the world's greatest sport. How to laugh more in this world. The one time Man One's dad got drunk. Fake IDs and getting drunk in front of your family. The new 'real ID's' that are coming into use soon. When America got sucker-punched in 2001. Guns, guns and more guns. And much more!  Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode: Dave Chappelle — https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0152638/ Will Smith — https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000226/ Vice — https://www.vice.com Jorge Gutierrez Episode —  https://notrealart.com/new-blog/2019/3/10/emmy-award-winning-artist-jorge-gutierrez Robin Williams — https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000245/ Man One — http://www.manone.com/ Man One on Twitter — https://twitter.com/ManOneArt Scott “Sourdough” Power — https://www.instagram.com/sourdoughpower/ Not Real Art Conference — https://www.notrealartconference.com/ Not Real Art on Instagram — https://www.instagram.com/notrealartofficial/

Welcome back to the Not Real Art Podcast where we get to wax lyrical about all things art and all things not. Today we are making east coasters super jealous about LA weather and reminding everyone just how unpredictable and adaptable Mother Earth is despite our best, or worst, efforts. Our cynical hosts pitch some ideas for TV shows and books set in a not too distant dystopia and come to the conclusion that humans are generally just greedy animals that don't care about much else. We ruminate on stand-up comedy and what it takes to be funny in public before discussing drinking with the Irish and the professional sport of slapping. From there the conversation turns to Man One's vivid memory of his dad drunk and what it is like being drunk in front of your family. We also discuss fake IDs and the new laws that are being implemented in terms of licenses and 'real ID's and the after effects of 9/11 on this and gun laws. For all this and a bunch more good stuff, be sure to tune in!  Key Points From This Episode: <ul> <li>Comparing the climate of LA to the east coast.</li> <li>Mother nature is unpredictable, the universe is big and scary.</li> <li>Some ideas for new sci-fi books and tv shows.</li> <li>Stand-up comedy before you die.</li> <li>The league of slappers and rules to the world's greatest sport.</li> <li>How to laugh more in this world.</li> <li>The one time Man One's dad got drunk.</li> <li>Fake IDs and getting drunk in front of your family.</li> <li>The new 'real ID's' that are coming into use soon.</li> <li>When America got sucker-punched in 2001.</li> <li>Guns, guns and more guns.</li> <li>And much more!</li> </ul> Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode: Dave Chappelle — <a href="https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0152638/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0152638/</a> Will Smith — <a href="https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000226/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000226/</a> Vice — <a href="https://www.vice.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.vice.com</a> Jorge Gutierrez Episode — <a href="https://notrealart.com/new-blog/2019/3/10/emmy-award-winning-artist-jorge-gutierrez" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> https://notrealart.com/new-blog/2019/3/10/emmy-award-winning-artist-jorge-gutierrez</a> Robin Williams — <a href="https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000245/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000245/</a> Man One — <a href="http://www.manone.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.manone.com/</a> Man One on Twitter — <a href="https://twitter.com/ManOneArt" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/ManOneArt</a> Scott “Sourdough” Power — <a href="https://www.instagram.com/sourdoughpower/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/sourdoughpower/</a> Not Real Art Conference — <a href="https://www.notrealartconference.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.notrealartconference.com/</a> Not Real Art on Instagram — <a href="https://www.instagram.com/notrealartofficial/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/notrealartofficial/</a>

Ep. 46: Waxing Poetic About Death + Other Fun Stuff

Karen Fiorito

In this episode of Not Real Art, we welcome Karen Fiorito! Karen is a political artist and activist, focussing on issues around the environment, animal welfare and the government. We are so excited to share this conversation, as Karen unpacks a lot of inspiring and useful information around her activism and artistic practice and how the two are so closely linked. She was a recent recipient of the Not Real Art grant and she talks about her reflections on this as well as her tips for applying for grants more broadly. We discuss some of her history, spending time in LA and now living in San Diego, away from the big city. This geographic change has had a big impact on Karen's work and she shares exactly how it has brought her activism into more stark contrast! We also talk about her highly viral and controversial billboard depicting Trump and the apocalypse and how she has experienced her fair share disappointments and setbacks, being called 'not a real artist'. This is why Karen is such a favorite around here, she is the perfect example of someone who breaks the mold of the art establishment and is making impactful work on a big scale. For this great chat, be sure to tune in with us today! For more information about artists, links and resources from this episode, please visit https://notrealart.com/karen-fiorito-visual-artist/. Key Points From This Episode:  How Karen won the Not Real Art grant at the conference recently! Moving to LA and then San Diego after that and comparing the experiences. The influence of a more natural environment in San Diego on Karen's work. The 'Trumpocalypse' Billboard that Karen did in 2017 and its aftermath. Karen's creative process and her practices around deadlines and goals. Tips for applying for grants and Karen's success rates in this regard. Karen's lifelong experiences of being dubbed 'not real art'. Working with Shepard Fairey and other amazing prominent street artists. Some information on Karen's latest, female-focussed work. The journey towards activism and the important steps in this process. Karen's relationship with her parents and their feelings around her art career. Edward Bernays' work and the model for propaganda and public relations. The artistic need for support, community and infrastructure. 

In this episode of Not Real Art, we welcome Karen Fiorito! Karen is a political artist and activist, focussing on issues around the environment, animal welfare and the government. We are so excited to share this conversation, as Karen unpacks a lot of inspiring and useful information around her activism and artistic practice and how the two are so closely linked. She was a recent recipient of the Not Real Art grant and she talks about her reflections on this as well as her tips for applying for grants more broadly. We discuss some of her history, spending time in LA and now living in San Diego, away from the big city. This geographic change has had a big impact on Karen's work and she shares exactly how it has brought her activism into more stark contrast! We also talk about her highly viral and controversial billboard depicting Trump and the apocalypse and how she has experienced her fair share disappointments and setbacks, being called 'not a real artist'. This is why Karen is such a favorite around here, she is the perfect example of someone who breaks the mold of the art establishment and is making impactful work on a big scale. For this great chat, be sure to tune in with us today! For more information about artists, links and resources from this episode, please visit <a href="https://notrealart.com/karen-fiorito-visual-artist/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://notrealart.com/karen-fiorito-visual-artist/</a>. Key Points From This Episode: <ul> <li>How Karen won the Not Real Art grant at the conference recently!</li> <li>Moving to LA and then San Diego after that and comparing the experiences.</li> <li>The influence of a more natural environment in San Diego on Karen's work.</li> <li>The 'Trumpocalypse' Billboard that Karen did in 2017 and its aftermath.</li> <li>Karen's creative process and her practices around deadlines and goals.</li> <li>Tips for applying for grants and Karen's success rates in this regard.</li> <li>Karen's lifelong experiences of being dubbed 'not real art'.</li> <li>Working with Shepard Fairey and other amazing prominent street artists.</li> <li>Some information on Karen's latest, female-focussed work.</li> <li>The journey towards activism and the important steps in this process.</li> <li>Karen's relationship with her parents and their feelings around her art career.</li> <li>Edward Bernays' work and the model for propaganda and public relations.</li> <li>The artistic need for support, community and infrastructure.</li> </ul>

E76: Karen Fiorito, Contemporary Visual Artist

Welcome back to the Not Real Art Podcast! Today we have a great friend, creative powerhouse and generally lovely citizen of the world on the show, none other than Anne Martin of Sugar Press Art! Anne is here to share her own creative journey, how she found her niche helping other artists get their work out there and why she is living the dream, doing exactly what she should be doing! Since art school, when she started realizing that she was always highly involved in her friends' and peers' artworks, Anne was destined to find her place in the publishing world, championing the work she loved and believed in. In our conversation, we talk about Sugar Press, how the agency started and its founding principles, before Anne breaks down some of her concerns for emerging artists, exposure deals and some tips for copyrighting and cataloging one's work. She shares about some of the artists she is excited to be working with at Sugar Press and the recent KAABOO event they hosted! For this and a whole lot more, join us for this great show! For more information about artists, links and resources from this episode, please visit https://notrealart.com/anne-martin-sugar-press-art/. Key Points From This Episode:  A little bit about Sugar Press Art, what they do and their three-year history! Some of Anne's early work in the publishing and art world. The holistic and collaborative approach that Sugar Press has adopted. Artists' responsibility to work on the marketing side of their career. Legal concerns and the frequency of uncredited use of artworks by big brands. Exposure bucks and how brands exploit artists to work for free. The price of copyrighting and cataloging pieces correctly. Some of the artists that Sugar Press is currently working with. The rise of legal psychedelics and how this impacts art openings. Sugar Press' event called KAABOO and some of the highlights from the exhibition. The constant instability of art prices and investing in expensive pieces. Big conglomerates that are buying up small independent galleries in New York. The project that Anne and Sourdough worked on together recently. Anne's concerns about showing art out of commission-based spaces.  

Welcome back to the Not Real Art Podcast! Today we have a great friend, creative powerhouse and generally lovely citizen of the world on the show, none other than Anne Martin of Sugar Press Art! Anne is here to share her own creative journey, how she found her niche helping other artists get their work out there and why she is living the dream, doing exactly what she should be doing! Since art school, when she started realizing that she was always highly involved in her friends' and peers' artworks, Anne was destined to find her place in the publishing world, championing the work she loved and believed in. In our conversation, we talk about Sugar Press, how the agency started and its founding principles, before Anne breaks down some of her concerns for emerging artists, exposure deals and some tips for copyrighting and cataloging one's work. She shares about some of the artists she is excited to be working with at Sugar Press and the recent KAABOO event they hosted! For this and a whole lot more, join us for this great show! For more information about artists, links and resources from this episode, please visit <a href="https://notrealart.com/anne-martin-sugar-press-art/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://notrealart.com/anne-martin-sugar-press-art/</a>. Key Points From This Episode: <ul> <li>A little bit about Sugar Press Art, what they do and their three-year history!</li> <li>Some of Anne's early work in the publishing and art world.</li> <li>The holistic and collaborative approach that Sugar Press has adopted.</li> <li>Artists' responsibility to work on the marketing side of their career.</li> <li>Legal concerns and the frequency of uncredited use of artworks by big brands.</li> <li>Exposure bucks and how brands exploit artists to work for free.</li> <li>The price of copyrighting and cataloging pieces correctly.</li> <li>Some of the artists that Sugar Press is currently working with.</li> <li>The rise of legal psychedelics and how this impacts art openings.</li> <li>Sugar Press' event called KAABOO and some of the highlights from the exhibition.</li> <li>The constant instability of art prices and investing in expensive pieces.</li> <li>Big conglomerates that are buying up small independent galleries in New York.</li> <li>The project that Anne and Sourdough worked on together recently.</li> <li>Anne's concerns about showing art out of commission-based spaces. </li> </ul>

E74: Anne Martin of Sugar Press Art

On this episode, we have a conversation about the role that a partner plays in the life of an artist, and Sourdough and Man One both share stories about their experiences with their wives as people who have encouraged them in their artistic pursuits and how this has fundamentally enabled them to do what they love. In light of their upcoming 25th anniversary, Man One talks about how his wife Laura had supported him from before they got married and cheered him on as a new artist trying to make ends meet for his family. Getting married to her came very naturally to him and he admits to being incredibly lucky to have found the right person early in his life. We also talk about contemplating fatherhood, raising kids, religion and how certain values of religion are more important than adhering to a set of restrictive rules. Join us for this behind the scenes look at the people and issues that shape our art!  Key Points from This Episode:  Introducing Man One’s awesome new website called Portraits by Man One.   He and his wife Laura’s upcoming 25th anniversary and a bit about their love story.  Being purposeful about providing for his family with his art from the beginning.  How his wife has always supported his art and stuck by him through harder tim Why he would not want to be married to another artist and how they complement each other.  Having clarity in his decision making and not living with regrets and what-ifs.  The importance of accepting your spouse for who they are and not trying to change them.   Where Sourdough was born and growing up in a racially segregated area. More about Sourdough’s dating history and how a long-distance relationship served him well.  Getting to a place where he felt comfortable being a dad.  How being a parent could change a couple’s perspective on things like religion.  Why having a similar religious background helped Man One and Laura.  How religion can be restrictive and exclusive and learning to only take the best of it.    Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode: Portraits by Man One — https://www.portraitsbymanone.com/ Man One — http://www.manone.com/ Man One on Twitter — https://twitter.com/ManOneArt Scott “Sourdough” Power — https://www.instagram.com/sourdoughpower/ Not Real Art Conference — https://www.notrealartconference.com/ Not Real Art on Instagram — https://www.instagram.com/notrealartofficial/

On this episode, we have a conversation about the role that a partner plays in the life of an artist, and Sourdough and Man One both share stories about their experiences with their wives as people who have encouraged them in their artistic pursuits and how this has fundamentally enabled them to do what they love. In light of their upcoming 25th anniversary, Man One talks about how his wife Laura had supported him from before they got married and cheered him on as a new artist trying to make ends meet for his family. Getting married to her came very naturally to him and he admits to being incredibly lucky to have found the right person early in his life. We also talk about contemplating fatherhood, raising kids, religion and how certain values of religion are more important than adhering to a set of restrictive rules. Join us for this behind the scenes look at the people and issues that shape our art!  Key Points from This Episode: <ul> <li>Introducing Man One’s awesome new website called Portraits by Man One.  </li> <li>He and his wife Laura’s upcoming 25th anniversary and a bit about their love story. </li> <li>Being purposeful about providing for his family with his art from the beginning. </li> <li>How his wife has always supported his art and stuck by him through harder tim</li> <li>Why he would not want to be married to another artist and how they complement each other. </li> <li>Having clarity in his decision making and not living with regrets and what-ifs. </li> <li>The importance of accepting your spouse for who they are and not trying to change them.  </li> <li>Where Sourdough was born and growing up in a racially segregated area.</li> <li>More about Sourdough’s dating history and how a long-distance relationship served him well. </li> <li>Getting to a place where he felt comfortable being a dad. </li> <li>How being a parent could change a couple’s perspective on things like religion. </li> <li>Why having a similar religious background helped Man One and Laura. </li> <li>How religion can be restrictive and exclusive and learning to only take the best of it.  </li> </ul> Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode: Portraits by Man One — <a href="https://www.portraitsbymanone.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.portraitsbymanone.com/</a> Man One — <a href="http://www.manone.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.manone.com/</a> Man One on Twitter — <a href="https://twitter.com/ManOneArt" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/ManOneArt</a> Scott “Sourdough” Power — <a href="https://www.instagram.com/sourdoughpower/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/sourdoughpower/</a> Not Real Art Conference — <a href="https://www.notrealartconference.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.notrealartconference.com/</a> Not Real Art on Instagram — <a href="https://www.instagram.com/notrealartofficial/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/notrealartofficial/</a>

Ep. 60: The Secret Behind Every Successful Artist

Kelly Vaught

In this episode Sourdough and Kelly Vaught from BeCore join in conversation about everything from parenting and core values to experiential marketing and politics. Starting off, Kelly shares with us what he is most grateful for and his personal philosophy for a happy, meaningful life. His family is incredibly important to him and he dishes out some of his tried and tested parenting advice and reflects on his own childhood experiences and how they have shaped him. We discuss the role of liberal arts in teaching critical thinking, what the world actually needs from politicians, forging meaningful connections with people and the need for advertising folk to grasp and engage with contemporary culture. We reimagine a society where the measure of success is holistic and where people’s contribution to all spheres of life is a more interesting consideration than just what they do as a job and the money they get from doing it. Don’t miss out on this insightful conversation with people who speak your language. For more information about artists, links and resources from this episode, please visit https://notrealart.com/kelly-vaught/. Key Points From This Episode:  A reflective overview of Kelly’s parents and growing up in a very religious household. Dealing with his mother’s mental illness, dropping out of school and moving out at age 16. Being excommunicated from his religious network and the tough lessons he learned. How Kelly’s childhood experiences informed his perspective on raising his own kids. The importance of building confidence and adaptability into his children. The critical role of arts in teaching critical thinking and problem solving. Combing liberal arts and science to find solutions for the existential problems of humankind. The need for politicians to adopt a human-centered approach to government. Recognizing who ‘your people’ are and not wasting time investing in those who are not. What the dissolution of the ego entails and how harmony is the foundation of success. Unequal distribution of resources and population growth as two major concerns in our collective unconscious. Doing work that matters, experiential marketing and engaging the younger generations. Red Bull as an example of a company that supports and engages with arts and culture. Artists’ role in stimulating conversations around social issues and challenging the status quo. The interesting space where art and AI meet and the future of artistic presentation. And much more! 

In this episode Sourdough and Kelly Vaught from BeCore join in conversation about everything from parenting and core values to experiential marketing and politics. Starting off, Kelly shares with us what he is most grateful for and his personal philosophy for a happy, meaningful life. His family is incredibly important to him and he dishes out some of his tried and tested parenting advice and reflects on his own childhood experiences and how they have shaped him. We discuss the role of liberal arts in teaching critical thinking, what the world actually needs from politicians, forging meaningful connections with people and the need for advertising folk to grasp and engage with contemporary culture. We reimagine a society where the measure of success is holistic and where people’s contribution to all spheres of life is a more interesting consideration than just what they do as a job and the money they get from doing it. Don’t miss out on this insightful conversation with people who speak your language. For more information about artists, links and resources from this episode, please visit <a href="https://notrealart.com/kelly-vaught/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://notrealart.com/kelly-vaught/.</a> Key Points From This Episode: <ul> <li>A reflective overview of Kelly’s parents and growing up in a very religious household.</li> <li>Dealing with his mother’s mental illness, dropping out of school and moving out at age 16.</li> <li>Being excommunicated from his religious network and the tough lessons he learned.</li> <li>How Kelly’s childhood experiences informed his perspective on raising his own kids.</li> <li>The importance of building confidence and adaptability into his children.</li> <li>The critical role of arts in teaching critical thinking and problem solving.</li> <li>Combing liberal arts and science to find solutions for the existential problems of humankind.</li> <li>The need for politicians to adopt a human-centered approach to government.</li> <li>Recognizing who ‘your people’ are and not wasting time investing in those who are not.</li> <li>What the dissolution of the ego entails and how harmony is the foundation of success.</li> <li>Unequal distribution of resources and population growth as two major concerns in our collective unconscious.</li> <li>Doing work that matters, experiential marketing and engaging the younger generations.</li> <li>Red Bull as an example of a company that supports and engages with arts and culture.</li> <li>Artists’ role in stimulating conversations around social issues and challenging the status quo.</li> <li>The interesting space where art and AI meet and the future of artistic presentation.</li> <li>And much more!</li> </ul>

Ep. 51: Gratitude, Contribution + Experiential Marketing with Kelly Vaught of BeCore

Kristin Juel

On today's episode of the Not Real Art Podcast, Sourdough is joined by Kristin Juel, who runs Juel Concepts, an artist management company for musicians with an exciting small roster of youngish indie musical artists including Hamish Anderson andRuby Velle &amp; the Soulphonics. Kristin and Sourdough actually worked together for quite a few years a while back at Kaiser Permanente and have been friends for more than 15 years! They chat about their history together, life in brand management and the commitment it takes to make it in the creative world today. They discuss the tools of the trade, her team at Juel Concepts and just how exciting it is getting to work with people with as much talent as her current artist roster. Kristin has strived to build a family environment with her company and close knit team, and she unpacks the challenges and rewards she has faced in this pursuit. The conversation also covers networking, promotion and why it is so important to be able to articulate yourself when talking about your own art. For all this and a whole lot more, be sure to tune in! For more information about artists, links and resources from this episode, please visit https://notrealart.com/kristinjuel/ Key Points From This Episode:  Where the Sourdough moniker comes from. The work Kristin and Scott did together from 2004 to 2013. Brand strategizing with musicians and Kristin's eclectic career. The long and hard path to a successful creative life. Working with Hamish Anderson. Finding the right people to partner with Kristin's amazing, global team. Is it the best time in history to be an artist? The intangibility of most of today's music world. Transparency, honest communication and real time feedback. Kristin's work process and the flow of her company. Musical prodigies, hard work and the balance between practice and talent. Networking, self-promotion and explaining your craft. Building a strong peer-group and support structure. And much more!  

On today's episode of the Not Real Art Podcast, Sourdough is joined by Kristin Juel, who runs Juel Concepts, an artist management company for musicians with an exciting small roster of youngish indie musical artists including Hamish Anderson andRuby Velle &amp; the Soulphonics. Kristin and Sourdough actually worked together for quite a few years a while back at Kaiser Permanente and have been friends for more than 15 years! They chat about their history together, life in brand management and the commitment it takes to make it in the creative world today. They discuss the tools of the trade, her team at Juel Concepts and just how exciting it is getting to work with people with as much talent as her current artist roster. Kristin has strived to build a family environment with her company and close knit team, and she unpacks the challenges and rewards she has faced in this pursuit. The conversation also covers networking, promotion and why it is so important to be able to articulate yourself when talking about your own art. For all this and a whole lot more, be sure to tune in! For more information about artists, links and resources from this episode, please visit <a href="https://notrealart.com/kristinjuel/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://notrealart.com/kristinjuel/</a> Key Points From This Episode: <ul> <li>Where the Sourdough moniker comes from.</li> <li>The work Kristin and Scott did together from 2004 to 2013.</li> <li>Brand strategizing with musicians and Kristin's eclectic career.</li> <li>The long and hard path to a successful creative life.</li> <li>Working with Hamish Anderson.</li> <li>Finding the right people to partner with</li> <li>Kristin's amazing, global team.</li> <li>Is it the best time in history to be an artist?</li> <li>The intangibility of most of today's music world.</li> <li>Transparency, honest communication and real time feedback.</li> <li>Kristin's work process and the flow of her company.</li> <li>Musical prodigies, hard work and the balance between practice and talent.</li> <li>Networking, self-promotion and explaining your craft.</li> <li>Building a strong peer-group and support structure.</li> <li>And much more! </li> </ul>

Ep. 47: No Shortcuts: Special Guest Kristin Juel, Founder of Juel Concepts

Ken Feldman

Today is a rare episode because we have the cofounder of Big Imagination, Ken Feldman, joining us. The Big Imagination Foundation is a 501(c)3 non-profit organization that aims to incubate bold, visionary projects that inspire the world to dream big. As their 747 Project for Burning Man proves, their artistic pursuits are literally and figuratively larger-than-life and out of the box and to accomplish these groundbreaking projects, they rely on radical collaboration and community support while also providing opportunities for education and participation. On today’s show, Ken answers all the questions we have about this magnificent creation, including how he came up with the idea, how hundreds of people collaborated to make it happen, what the experience is like for Burning Man visitors and why it entails so much more than self-expression on a grand scale. We also talk more generally about the misconceptions about Burning Man and why this event is really about community and celebrating the diversity of art. We get into the details of how and where they managed to acquire the plane, how they went about taking it apart and reassembling it and what the future has in store for him personally and for The 747 Project. This is undoubtedly a spectacular episode, so be sure to join us! For more information about artists, links and resources from this episode, please visit https://notrealart.com/kenfeldman/. Key Points from This Episode:   Ken’s first Burning Man project and how it led to him and Jon becoming friends and partners. How Ken came up with the concept of turning a 747 into a giant art car. Building the Charlie the Unicorn car with very little resources and why it was so successful. How their 747 project was a team effort for with over 1000 volunteers. Burning Man as a great art experiment that engages with the question of what art is. The significance of the size of the 747 and why it appealed to the imaginations of people. What getting into the plane looks like and the emotional experience visitors go through. A true story of how building a pink unicorn saved a guy’s life. A few interesting analogies for describing Burning Man to someone who hasn’t been. Some of the criticisms against Burning Man; lack of racial diversity and the high cost. How Black Rock City started as a joke that got massively out of control. Acquiring the plane from a bone yard and how Boeing responded to the project. How Ken’s background in airspace and his love for building things culminated in this project. The new plans in store for The 747 Project and how it is going to reach millions of people. The complicated process of taking apart and reassembling the 747 and moving it 500 miles. A hopeful projection of Ken’s next couple of months following the 747 Project. When Ken would consider being part of another project of this scope. A vision for honoring The 747 Project by making a film documentary about it. And much more!  

Today is a rare episode because we have the cofounder of Big Imagination, Ken Feldman, joining us. The Big Imagination Foundation is a 501(c)3 non-profit organization that aims to incubate bold, visionary projects that inspire the world to dream big. As their 747 Project for Burning Man proves, their artistic pursuits are literally and figuratively larger-than-life and out of the box and to accomplish these groundbreaking projects, they rely on radical collaboration and community support while also providing opportunities for education and participation. On today’s show, Ken answers all the questions we have about this magnificent creation, including how he came up with the idea, how hundreds of people collaborated to make it happen, what the experience is like for Burning Man visitors and why it entails so much more than self-expression on a grand scale. We also talk more generally about the misconceptions about Burning Man and why this event is really about community and celebrating the diversity of art. We get into the details of how and where they managed to acquire the plane, how they went about taking it apart and reassembling it and what the future has in store for him personally and for The 747 Project. This is undoubtedly a spectacular episode, so be sure to join us! For more information about artists, links and resources from this episode, please visit <a href="https://notrealart.com/kenfeldman/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://notrealart.com/kenfeldman/</a>. Key Points from This Episode:  <ul> <li>Ken’s first Burning Man project and how it led to him and Jon becoming friends and partners.</li> <li>How Ken came up with the concept of turning a 747 into a giant art car.</li> <li>Building the Charlie the Unicorn car with very little resources and why it was so successful.</li> <li>How their 747 project was a team effort for with over 1000 volunteers.</li> <li>Burning Man as a great art experiment that engages with the question of what art is.</li> <li>The significance of the size of the 747 and why it appealed to the imaginations of people.</li> <li>What getting into the plane looks like and the emotional experience visitors go through.</li> <li>A true story of how building a pink unicorn saved a guy’s life.</li> <li>A few interesting analogies for describing Burning Man to someone who hasn’t been.</li> <li>Some of the criticisms against Burning Man; lack of racial diversity and the high cost.</li> <li>How Black Rock City started as a joke that got massively out of control.</li> <li>Acquiring the plane from a bone yard and how Boeing responded to the project.</li> <li>How Ken’s background in airspace and his love for building things culminated in this project.</li> <li>The new plans in store for The 747 Project and how it is going to reach millions of people.</li> <li>The complicated process of taking apart and reassembling the 747 and moving it 500 miles.</li> <li>A hopeful projection of Ken’s next couple of months following the 747 Project.</li> <li>When Ken would consider being part of another project of this scope.</li> <li>A vision for honoring The 747 Project by making a film documentary about it.</li> <li>And much more! </li> </ul>

Ep. 57: Ken Feldman + The Transcendence of The 747 Project

Michael Ornstein

Today on the Not Real Art Podcast we are joined by a true Renaissance man! Painter, actor, writer, husband, father and a whole lot more, none other than Michael Ornstein! Michael has managed to build an amazing creative life and career through his natural passion and curiosity for expression. He tells us about how he tries to keep himself out of his painting, the lessons he learned in his first acting classes and the big role his parents had on his ideas around art and creativity. We also discuss moving around the country, raising a family and why he prefers to visit LA for work and focus on one thing at a time. For Michael, his array of talents and interests means that there is a rotating quality to where he puts his energy at any given time. Sometimes his painting is leading him, other times he is giving acting most of his energy and he would not have it any other way. For a great chat with a truly inspiring person in command of a bunch of different crafts, tune in today! For more information about artists, links and resources from this episode, please visit https://notrealart.com/michael-ornstein-actor-artist/ Key Points From This Episode:  Moving around and getting down to some good work out of the big cities. Appreciating road trips and some of the beautiful highways around the country. The art scene in Cleveland and its connection to other surrounding areas. Dangers around the intelligentsia telling young artists what they should be doing. Michael's early experiences of open studio art in New York City. A little bit about Michael's parents and his family history. Starting acting class and getting out on stage at 12 years old. Why Michael considers himself a painter before all else. The central role of movement in performance and acting roles. Serious schools and building from the basics and foundational skills. Simplicity, tools, artistic freedom and why Michael is so prolific! The human element, history and representing real life and emotion through art. Michael's hopes for teaching and educating in the future! Combatting the problems we face with creativity and inventiveness. The array of jobs that any artist needs to have in order to survive. The meaningful work and experience that Michael is having on the set of Mayans M.C. Allowing the different mediums of expression to lead at the appropriate times.  

Today on the Not Real Art Podcast we are joined by a true Renaissance man! Painter, actor, writer, husband, father and a whole lot more, none other than Michael Ornstein! Michael has managed to build an amazing creative life and career through his natural passion and curiosity for expression. He tells us about how he tries to keep himself out of his painting, the lessons he learned in his first acting classes and the big role his parents had on his ideas around art and creativity. We also discuss moving around the country, raising a family and why he prefers to visit LA for work and focus on one thing at a time. For Michael, his array of talents and interests means that there is a rotating quality to where he puts his energy at any given time. Sometimes his painting is leading him, other times he is giving acting most of his energy and he would not have it any other way. For a great chat with a truly inspiring person in command of a bunch of different crafts, tune in today! For more information about artists, links and resources from this episode, please visit <a href="https://notrealart.com/michael-ornstein-actor-artist/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://notrealart.com/michael-ornstein-actor-artist/</a> Key Points From This Episode: <ul> <li>Moving around and getting down to some good work out of the big cities.</li> <li>Appreciating road trips and some of the beautiful highways around the country.</li> <li>The art scene in Cleveland and its connection to other surrounding areas.</li> <li>Dangers around the intelligentsia telling young artists what they should be doing.</li> <li>Michael's early experiences of open studio art in New York City.</li> <li>A little bit about Michael's parents and his family history.</li> <li>Starting acting class and getting out on stage at 12 years old.</li> <li>Why Michael considers himself a painter before all else.</li> <li>The central role of movement in performance and acting roles.</li> <li>Serious schools and building from the basics and foundational skills.</li> <li>Simplicity, tools, artistic freedom and why Michael is so prolific!</li> <li>The human element, history and representing real life and emotion through art.</li> <li>Michael's hopes for teaching and educating in the future!</li> <li>Combatting the problems we face with creativity and inventiveness.</li> <li>The array of jobs that any artist needs to have in order to survive.</li> <li>The meaningful work and experience that Michael is having on the set of Mayans M.C.</li> <li>Allowing the different mediums of expression to lead at the appropriate times. </li> </ul>

Ep. 68: Impact Culture with Michael Ornstein

Jeff Tremaine

Today on the show we are joined by Jeff Tremaine. Jeff is most famously known for the Jackass Series. He has also directed several music videos and commercials, including “Epic Night,” a 2014 Super Bowl commercial for Bud Light, which was one of the most talked about spots of the entire year and won numerous awards. In April 2014, Jeff launched his own production company, Gorilla Flicks, which houses all of his feature film and television projects. He has a new movie coming out on March 22nd, The Dirt, on Netflix. In this episode Jeff shares more about his inspiration behind choosing his latest project, how he went about seeking out support from the band, and what the pitch was like to Netflix. We also dive into some of the most challenging and most interesting projects that Jeff has done, and what his personal hobbies are that help him unwind. Jeff is an all around awesome dude, so stay tuned and don’t miss out on our incredible conversation! For more information about artists, links and resources from this episode, please visit  https://notrealart.com/jeff-tremaine-talks-motley-crue-big-brother-jackass/ Key Points From This Episode:  What Jeff listens to when he’s stuck on the freeway. The one album or band that takes Jeff down memory lane. Of all the concerts, the one that stands out the most for Jeff. The premier of Jeff’s new film, The Dirt. How having a creative job satisfies the artist inside of you. Importance of always learning and adding tools to your toolbox. Jeff’s inspiration behind wanting to do The Dirt The story of how Jeff and his wife first met. Support that Jeff received from Mötly Crüe to do the movie. What was most important when pitching The Dirt to Netflix. How Jeff built a team surrounded by people that he trusts. Why the first pitch of Jackass the series was a complete failure. The hardest production campaign Jeff has done. Fun fact: Jeff directed the safety video for American Airlines. Jeff’s favorite way to unwind and shut off from work.  

Today on the show we are joined by Jeff Tremaine. Jeff is most famously known for the Jackass Series. He has also directed several music videos and commercials, including “Epic Night,” a 2014 Super Bowl commercial for Bud Light, which was one of the most talked about spots of the entire year and won numerous awards. In April 2014, Jeff launched his own production company, Gorilla Flicks, which houses all of his feature film and television projects. He has a new movie coming out on March 22nd, The Dirt, on Netflix. In this episode Jeff shares more about his inspiration behind choosing his latest project, how he went about seeking out support from the band, and what the pitch was like to Netflix. We also dive into some of the most challenging and most interesting projects that Jeff has done, and what his personal hobbies are that help him unwind. Jeff is an all around awesome dude, so stay tuned and don’t miss out on our incredible conversation! For more information about artists, links and resources from this episode, please visit <a href="https://notrealart.com/jeff-tremaine-talks-motley-crue-big-brother-jackass/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> https://notrealart.com/jeff-tremaine-talks-motley-crue-big-brother-jackass/</a> Key Points From This Episode: <ul> <li>What Jeff listens to when he’s stuck on the freeway.</li> <li>The one album or band that takes Jeff down memory lane.</li> <li>Of all the concerts, the one that stands out the most for Jeff.</li> <li>The premier of Jeff’s new film, The Dirt.</li> <li>How having a creative job satisfies the artist inside of you.</li> <li>Importance of always learning and adding tools to your toolbox.</li> <li>Jeff’s inspiration behind wanting to do The Dirt</li> <li>The story of how Jeff and his wife first met.</li> <li>Support that Jeff received from Mötly Crüe to do the movie.</li> <li>What was most important when pitching The Dirt to Netflix.</li> <li>How Jeff built a team surrounded by people that he trusts.</li> <li>Why the first pitch of Jackass the series was a complete failure.</li> <li>The hardest production campaign Jeff has done.</li> <li>Fun fact: Jeff directed the safety video for American Airlines.</li> <li>Jeff’s favorite way to unwind and shut off from work. </li> </ul>

Ep. 44: Jeff Tremaine Talks Motley Crue, Big Brother + Jackass

Milton Esterow

Today we have a very special episode in store! We are so lucky to welcome the one and only Milton Esterow to the show, for his first podcast appearance ever! His work at ARTnews set the standard of investigative journalism in the art world, being one of the foremost writers and critics in his field. Growing up in Brooklyn and starting out in 1945 at the New York Times, Milton has seen more than most and his perspective on art and creativity is invaluable to a younger generation. Having found his niche in cultural news, Milton bought ARTNews in 1972 and ran it as publisher and editor-in-chief for 42 years, building it into the world’s largest circulated arts magazine. Milton has won numerous awards and accolades, is a prolific author and renowned voice in the art world. In our conversation, we cover a huge amount of knowledge, with Milton sprouting multitudes of anecdotes and stories from his amazing career. For this great chat with a beautiful human being, be sure to listen in today! For more information about artists, links and resources from this episode, please visit https://notrealart.com/milton-esterow/. Key Points From This Episode:  Milton's lifelong mission with the artworks that were stolen by the Nazi's in World War II. How Milton learned to play a shofar for a very special occasion! Milton's early interest in writing and art from his school days. Perspectives on objectivity and the requirement to serve readers. Questions of authenticity and a crazy story about a Picasso knock-off! Demystifying art and creativity and leveling art for world everyone's benefit. The trends that come and go in the art world; today's gold might turn to dust. Critics do not make or break careers; time reveals all greatness. An unusual art collector who paired Van Gogh with Frank Sinatra. Art as a means to gaining a fuller enjoyment of life than would be otherwise possible. Milton's thoughts and reflection on the art world at present. A few special dinner stories from over the years from Milton! Milton's memories of Alfred Hitchcock on the set of The Wrong Man. The beginnings of Milton's work at ARTnews and the legacy he has created. Milton's own collection and his passion for great photography. Secrets to a long and healthy life from a 91 year old! Advice to young artists around the struggle and difficulty of finding success. 

Today we have a very special episode in store! We are so lucky to welcome the one and only Milton Esterow to the show, for his first podcast appearance ever! His work at ARTnews set the standard of investigative journalism in the art world, being one of the foremost writers and critics in his field. Growing up in Brooklyn and starting out in 1945 at the New York Times, Milton has seen more than most and his perspective on art and creativity is invaluable to a younger generation. Having found his niche in cultural news, Milton bought ARTNews in 1972 and ran it as publisher and editor-in-chief for 42 years, building it into the world’s largest circulated arts magazine. Milton has won numerous awards and accolades, is a prolific author and renowned voice in the art world. In our conversation, we cover a huge amount of knowledge, with Milton sprouting multitudes of anecdotes and stories from his amazing career. For this great chat with a beautiful human being, be sure to listen in today! For more information about artists, links and resources from this episode, please visit <a href="https://notrealart.com/milton-esterow/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://notrealart.com/milton-esterow/</a>. Key Points From This Episode: <ul> <li>Milton's lifelong mission with the artworks that were stolen by the Nazi's in World War II.</li> <li>How Milton learned to play a shofar for a very special occasion!</li> <li>Milton's early interest in writing and art from his school days.</li> <li>Perspectives on objectivity and the requirement to serve readers.</li> <li>Questions of authenticity and a crazy story about a Picasso knock-off!</li> <li>Demystifying art and creativity and leveling art for world everyone's benefit.</li> <li>The trends that come and go in the art world; today's gold might turn to dust.</li> <li>Critics do not make or break careers; time reveals all greatness.</li> <li>An unusual art collector who paired Van Gogh with Frank Sinatra.</li> <li>Art as a means to gaining a fuller enjoyment of life than would be otherwise possible.</li> <li>Milton's thoughts and reflection on the art world at present.</li> <li>A few special dinner stories from over the years from Milton!</li> <li>Milton's memories of Alfred Hitchcock on the set of The Wrong Man.</li> <li>The beginnings of Milton's work at ARTnews and the legacy he has created.</li> <li>Milton's own collection and his passion for great photography.</li> <li>Secrets to a long and healthy life from a 91 year old!</li> <li>Advice to young artists around the struggle and difficulty of finding success.</li> </ul>

E73: Milton Esterow: A Life Dedicated to ARTNews

Karen Frost

Today on the show we’re joined by the highly talented Karen Frost who is a television producer, fellow podcaster and spiritual advisor. Karen is a creative executive at JuVee Productions, Viola Davis and Julius Tennon’s production company that is focused on developing the content of marginalized and emerging writers. In this episode, you will hear all about the podcast Drunken Church Ladies, which she co-hosts with her wife and her personal struggles with breaking out of religious traditions to find her own spiritual path. Karen is passionate about redefining God and what it means to be spiritual, fully committed to creating a society that is wholly inclusive and one that can reconstruct ancient ways that no longer serve the greater good of all. She shares about the obstacles she has had to overcome as a queer person of color, the mental shift she had to make to finally get into the entertainment industry and what the spiritual center, Bodhi, meant to her in the process. Some of the other topics we cover include dry counties, filtering through scripts, the massive advancement of the LGBTQ community, the importance of faith and the conflicting voices around climate change. There is a ton of wisdom to get out of this episode, so be sure to join in on the conversation! For more information about artists, links and resources from this episode, please visit https://notrealart.com/karen-frost-advocating-for-love/ Key Points From This Episode:  Thoughts on drinking wine while podcasting and Karen's show, Drunken Church Ladies. Settling into the podcasting process and Karen's unique segmented structure. Breaking out of religious traditions and the lack of spaces to explore spirituality. Karen’s mission to redefine God and to reconstruct religious narratives. How JuVee Productions helped Karen to find her own voice as a queer person of color. Working with Viola Davis and her role at JuVee Productions. Learning faith in LA's worst economic period! Being introduced to a new way of faith at Bodhi and the essence of what they believe. Realizing that she needed to get rid of internal biases to get into the entertainment industry. Creating stories that are like both mirrors and windows. More about Karen's producer role and how they help artists to develop and refine their ideas. Being sent hundreds of scripts and the criteria for them to warrant a second look. Recording all new ideas, her creative process and why Karen believes in rigorous outlining. Mormons, memberships and, moonshine in dry counties. Diversity and unexpected friendships as some of the best things about spiritual centers. Thanksgiving at Viola’s house and the incredible authenticity she demonstrated. Steering clear of works that perpetuate stereotypes and the kind of narratives to avoid. The massive progress there has been made in terms of LGBTQ rights. Views on the creation of an inclusive country and letting go of what no longer serves us. The importance of patience in the re-birth of the US and why we need antagonists. Climate change, capitalism and the impact that a single person can have. The diverse mentalities and philosophies in the US and the need for new paradigms. 

Today on the show we’re joined by the highly talented Karen Frost who is a television producer, fellow podcaster and spiritual advisor. Karen is a creative executive at JuVee Productions, Viola Davis and Julius Tennon’s production company that is focused on developing the content of marginalized and emerging writers. In this episode, you will hear all about the podcast Drunken Church Ladies, which she co-hosts with her wife and her personal struggles with breaking out of religious traditions to find her own spiritual path. Karen is passionate about redefining God and what it means to be spiritual, fully committed to creating a society that is wholly inclusive and one that can reconstruct ancient ways that no longer serve the greater good of all. She shares about the obstacles she has had to overcome as a queer person of color, the mental shift she had to make to finally get into the entertainment industry and what the spiritual center, Bodhi, meant to her in the process. Some of the other topics we cover include dry counties, filtering through scripts, the massive advancement of the LGBTQ community, the importance of faith and the conflicting voices around climate change. There is a ton of wisdom to get out of this episode, so be sure to join in on the conversation! For more information about artists, links and resources from this episode, please visit <a href="https://notrealart.com/karen-frost-advocating-for-love/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://notrealart.com/karen-frost-advocating-for-love/</a> Key Points From This Episode: <ul> <li>Thoughts on drinking wine while podcasting and Karen's show, Drunken Church Ladies.</li> <li>Settling into the podcasting process and Karen's unique segmented structure.</li> <li>Breaking out of religious traditions and the lack of spaces to explore spirituality.</li> <li>Karen’s mission to redefine God and to reconstruct religious narratives.</li> <li>How JuVee Productions helped Karen to find her own voice as a queer person of color.</li> <li>Working with Viola Davis and her role at JuVee Productions.</li> <li>Learning faith in LA's worst economic period!</li> <li>Being introduced to a new way of faith at Bodhi and the essence of what they believe.</li> <li>Realizing that she needed to get rid of internal biases to get into the entertainment industry.</li> <li>Creating stories that are like both mirrors and windows.</li> <li>More about Karen's producer role and how they help artists to develop and refine their ideas.</li> <li>Being sent hundreds of scripts and the criteria for them to warrant a second look.</li> <li>Recording all new ideas, her creative process and why Karen believes in rigorous outlining.</li> <li>Mormons, memberships and, moonshine in dry counties.</li> <li>Diversity and unexpected friendships as some of the best things about spiritual centers.</li> <li>Thanksgiving at Viola’s house and the incredible authenticity she demonstrated.</li> <li>Steering clear of works that perpetuate stereotypes and the kind of narratives to avoid.</li> <li>The massive progress there has been made in terms of LGBTQ rights.</li> <li>Views on the creation of an inclusive country and letting go of what no longer serves us.</li> <li>The importance of patience in the re-birth of the US and why we need antagonists.</li> <li>Climate change, capitalism and the impact that a single person can have.</li> <li>The diverse mentalities and philosophies in the US and the need for new paradigms.</li> </ul>

E71: Advocating for the Religion of Love with Karen Frost

We are taking this episode to catch all our listeners up on what we have been up to recently and chat about a few things on the top of our minds. We run through the new movie about Mötley Crüe and Sourdough's experience meeting Jeff Tremaine, the man behind the Jackass franchise. From there, the conversation turns to photography, cameras and early experiences of taking analog photos. We look back at a history of racking film and cologne and the profitable way you could make these work for you as a young graffiti artist with some industry. We also discuss what sex positions our parents might have been in when we were conceived. After which, we turn to hip hop, music, and cultural development in the last 30 years. We discuss the art of sampling and how this opened up a universe of music for hip hop heads and lament the current state of hip hop and why it's impossible to stay up to date with everything these days. For this and a whole lot more, join us today on the Not Real Art Podcast!  Key Points From This Episode:  New mics in the studio! Jeff Tremaine of Jackass, Mötley Crüe and The Dirt. First cameras and photography practices these days. Racking film and developing photos of illegal activities. Making a living from stealing cologne. Favorite sex positions and imagining your own conception. The overlap between metal and hip-hop fashion. Music tastes growing up and coverage on TV. Discovering artists through hip hop samples. The art form of sampling and mainstream appreciation. Families that twerk together stay together! Staying relevant, in-the-know and the newest music on Soundcloud. Hip-hop we loved and hated over the years. Art's relationship to the time and zeitgeist. The resurgence of vinyl, personal soundtracks and living in a bubble. And much more!  Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode: Michael Jackson — https://www.michaeljackson.com Joe Rogan — https://www.joerogan.com Howard Stern — https://www.howardstern.com KCRW — https://www.kcrw.com Patreon — https://www.patreon.com Jeff Tremaine — https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0871860/ Johnny Knoxville — https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0424216/ Jackass — https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0264263/ Mötley Crüe — https://www.motley.com The Dirt — https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0800325/ Van Halen — http://www.van-halen.com James Brown — http://www.jamesbrown.com George Clinton — https://georgeclinton.com De La Soul — http://www.wearedelasoul.com The Turtles — http://theturtles.com Prince — https://www.princeestate.com Billie Eilish — https://www.billieeilish.com KXLU — https://kxlu.com Public Enemy — https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/public-enemy Man One — http://www.manone.com/ Man One on Twitter — https://twitter.com/ManOneArt Scott “Sourdough” Power — https://www.instagram.com/sourdoughpower/ Not Real Art Conference — https://www.notrealartconference.com/ Not Real Art on Instagram — https://www.instagram.com/notrealartofficial/

We are taking this episode to catch all our listeners up on what we have been up to recently and chat about a few things on the top of our minds. We run through the new movie about Mötley Crüe and Sourdough's experience meeting Jeff Tremaine, the man behind the Jackass franchise. From there, the conversation turns to photography, cameras and early experiences of taking analog photos. We look back at a history of racking film and cologne and the profitable way you could make these work for you as a young graffiti artist with some industry. We also discuss what sex positions our parents might have been in when we were conceived. After which, we turn to hip hop, music, and cultural development in the last 30 years. We discuss the art of sampling and how this opened up a universe of music for hip hop heads and lament the current state of hip hop and why it's impossible to stay up to date with everything these days. For this and a whole lot more, join us today on the Not Real Art Podcast!  Key Points From This Episode: <ul> <li>New mics in the studio!</li> <li>Jeff Tremaine of Jackass, Mötley Crüe and The Dirt.</li> <li>First cameras and photography practices these days.</li> <li>Racking film and developing photos of illegal activities.</li> <li>Making a living from stealing cologne.</li> <li>Favorite sex positions and imagining your own conception.</li> <li>The overlap between metal and hip-hop fashion.</li> <li>Music tastes growing up and coverage on TV.</li> <li>Discovering artists through hip hop samples.</li> <li>The art form of sampling and mainstream appreciation.</li> <li>Families that twerk together stay together!</li> <li>Staying relevant, in-the-know and the newest music on Soundcloud.</li> <li>Hip-hop we loved and hated over the years.</li> <li>Art's relationship to the time and zeitgeist.</li> <li>The resurgence of vinyl, personal soundtracks and living in a bubble.</li> <li>And much more!</li> </ul> Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode: Michael Jackson — <a href="https://www.michaeljackson.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.michaeljackson.com</a> Joe Rogan — <a href="https://www.joerogan.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.joerogan.com</a> Howard Stern — <a href="https://www.howardstern.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.howardstern.com</a> KCRW — <a href="https://www.kcrw.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.kcrw.com</a> Patreon — <a href="https://www.patreon.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.patreon.com</a> Jeff Tremaine — <a href="https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0871860/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0871860/</a> Johnny Knoxville — <a href="https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0424216/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0424216/</a> Jackass — <a href="https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0264263/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0264263/</a> Mötley Crüe — <a href="https://www.motley.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.motley.com</a> The Dirt — <a href="https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0800325/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0800325/</a> Van Halen — <a href="http://www.van-halen.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.van-halen.com</a> James Brown — <a href="http://www.jamesbrown.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.jamesbrown.com</a> George Clinton — <a href="https://georgeclinton.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://georgeclinton.com</a> De La Soul — <a href="http://www.wearedelasoul.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.wearedelasoul.com</a> The Turtles — <a href="http://theturtles.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://theturtles.com</a> Prince — <a href="https://www.princeestate.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.princeestate.com</a> Billie Eilish — <a href="https://www.billieeilish.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.billieeilish.com</a> KXLU — <a href="https://kxlu.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://kxlu.com</a> Public Enemy — <a href="https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/public-enemy" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/public-enemy</a> Man One — <a href="http://www.manone.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.manone.com/</a> Man One on Twitter — <a href="https://twitter.com/ManOneArt" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/ManOneArt</a> Scott “Sourdough” Power — <a href="https://www.instagram.com/sourdoughpower/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/sourdoughpower/</a> Not Real Art Conference — <a href="https://www.notrealartconference.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.notrealartconference.com/</a> Not Real Art on Instagram — <a href="https://www.instagram.com/notrealartofficial/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/notrealartofficial/</a>

Ep. 45: Going All The Way

Nina Hiken

Welcome back to the show creators and creatives! Today our guest is interior designer, Nina Hiken of Nina Hiken Designs! Nina has a passion for bringing beauty into spaces through the use of color and texture and we chat about client relationships, current projects and the previous career Nina had in education. For Nina, every job is an opportunity to solve problems and unify themes for a client and she is fully focussed on bringing their dreams and personality alive through interior design. We discuss this approach in contrast to signature design styles and why she feels that, for now, she is very happy to work in strict adherence to client needs. She also believes that matching well with clients is imperative to good results, something she has grown to sense early on. Nina unpacks her adoration of color and the tactile, sensory feel of different materials, she also opens up about some of her dream projects for the future! We discuss Feng Shui, societal norms around cleaning up and the effect that our environments have on our headspace. For this and a whole lot more from a wonderful guest, be sure to listen in! For more information about artists, links and resources from this episode, please visit https://notrealart.com/nina-hiken-design/. Key Points From This Episode:   Nina's experience firing a client after early problems that were unsolvable. One of the most exciting projects that Nina has been working on recently. The work that Nina did on Scott's own home and the fun she had on the project. Distinguishing between interior design and interior architecture. Bringing both spheres of the brain into play with interior design. Nina's design language and how she currently focusses on the client first. A sense of matching with clients and being selective of clients and jobs. The importance of play and bringing emotion into whatever is being created. Color and surface materials; how Nina works from these two fundamental points. The influence of public art and beauty on societal mindsets. Nina's career as a teacher and her experiences in the classroom. Feng Shui and the rules of good energy in any space. Japanese practices around school kids and tidying and cleaning spaces. Homogeneity and style coherence in neighborhoods. The advice Nina would give a younger version of herself! Listening to inner intuition and our internal dialogue's clear messages. Spec-work in Nina's field; walkthroughs and communication early on. Nina's use of apps and new technologies in her design work and portfolio.  

Welcome back to the show creators and creatives! Today our guest is interior designer, Nina Hiken of Nina Hiken Designs! Nina has a passion for bringing beauty into spaces through the use of color and texture and we chat about client relationships, current projects and the previous career Nina had in education. For Nina, every job is an opportunity to solve problems and unify themes for a client and she is fully focussed on bringing their dreams and personality alive through interior design. We discuss this approach in contrast to signature design styles and why she feels that, for now, she is very happy to work in strict adherence to client needs. She also believes that matching well with clients is imperative to good results, something she has grown to sense early on. Nina unpacks her adoration of color and the tactile, sensory feel of different materials, she also opens up about some of her dream projects for the future! We discuss Feng Shui, societal norms around cleaning up and the effect that our environments have on our headspace. For this and a whole lot more from a wonderful guest, be sure to listen in! For more information about artists, links and resources from this episode, please visit <a href="https://notrealart.com/nina-hiken-design/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://notrealart.com/nina-hiken-design/</a>. Key Points From This Episode:  <ul> <li>Nina's experience firing a client after early problems that were unsolvable.</li> <li>One of the most exciting projects that Nina has been working on recently.</li> <li>The work that Nina did on Scott's own home and the fun she had on the project.</li> <li>Distinguishing between interior design and interior architecture.</li> <li>Bringing both spheres of the brain into play with interior design.</li> <li>Nina's design language and how she currently focusses on the client first.</li> <li>A sense of matching with clients and being selective of clients and jobs.</li> <li>The importance of play and bringing emotion into whatever is being created.</li> <li>Color and surface materials; how Nina works from these two fundamental points.</li> <li>The influence of public art and beauty on societal mindsets.</li> <li>Nina's career as a teacher and her experiences in the classroom.</li> <li>Feng Shui and the rules of good energy in any space.</li> <li>Japanese practices around school kids and tidying and cleaning spaces.</li> <li>Homogeneity and style coherence in neighborhoods.</li> <li>The advice Nina would give a younger version of herself!</li> <li>Listening to inner intuition and our internal dialogue's clear messages.</li> <li>Spec-work in Nina's field; walkthroughs and communication early on.</li> <li>Nina's use of apps and new technologies in her design work and portfolio. </li> </ul>

E75: Interior Designer Nina Hiken

Welcome back to the show everybody, today is an extra special episode as we take this chance to talk about the upcoming Sneakertopia event! Man One is taking part in the exhibition and he explains his involvement and what he knows about what will be happening. The pop-up sneaker museum will be celebrating everything related to the culture, its history and the current landscape of the art form. This leads into a conversation in which we talk about our own experiences of sneaker culture and collecting, the industry at large, the intersection of music, design and sport and some cultural landmarks to do with sneakers! We talk RUN DMC, documentaries, famous collections, and sneaker hoarding. For all this and more, join us today for this great episode! For more information about artists, links and resources from this episode, please visit https://notrealart.com/sneakertopia-los-angeles-pop-up-museum/. Key Points From This Episode:  Pop-up museums and the exciting prospect of the new Sneakertopia initiative. Man One's work for the event and what he will be taking part in. The brief that they gave Man One and the new territory he will be covering. The size of the sneaker industry and how much it has grown in the last decades. Excessive collecting, hoarding and the right amount of sneakers to purchase. How Man One got into hip hop culture through breakdancing. Fashion first, utility and pragmatism second! The fusion of form and function. The focus at the Sneakertopia exhibit and the experience they are trying to create. Some recent documentaries that focus on hip hop fashion and sneakers. The monumental event that was RUN DMC's My Adidas! The sneaker cleaning and maintenance industry; stores, products, and services. The low-down on tickets, dates and running times for the Sneakertopia event!  

Welcome back to the show everybody, today is an extra special episode as we take this chance to talk about the upcoming Sneakertopia event! Man One is taking part in the exhibition and he explains his involvement and what he knows about what will be happening. The pop-up sneaker museum will be celebrating everything related to the culture, its history and the current landscape of the art form. This leads into a conversation in which we talk about our own experiences of sneaker culture and collecting, the industry at large, the intersection of music, design and sport and some cultural landmarks to do with sneakers! We talk RUN DMC, documentaries, famous collections, and sneaker hoarding. For all this and more, join us today for this great episode! For more information about artists, links and resources from this episode, please visit <a href="https://notrealart.com/sneakertopia-los-angeles-pop-up-museum/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://notrealart.com/sneakertopia-los-angeles-pop-up-museum/.</a> Key Points From This Episode: <ul> <li>Pop-up museums and the exciting prospect of the new Sneakertopia initiative.</li> <li>Man One's work for the event and what he will be taking part in.</li> <li>The brief that they gave Man One and the new territory he will be covering.</li> <li>The size of the sneaker industry and how much it has grown in the last decades.</li> <li>Excessive collecting, hoarding and the right amount of sneakers to purchase.</li> <li>How Man One got into hip hop culture through breakdancing.</li> <li>Fashion first, utility and pragmatism second! The fusion of form and function.</li> <li>The focus at the Sneakertopia exhibit and the experience they are trying to create.</li> <li>Some recent documentaries that focus on hip hop fashion and sneakers.</li> <li>The monumental event that was RUN DMC's My Adidas!</li> <li>The sneaker cleaning and maintenance industry; stores, products, and services.</li> <li>The low-down on tickets, dates and running times for the Sneakertopia event! </li> </ul>

E70: SNEAKERTOPIA

Our guest today is Albert Cleophus Willis, artist, designer, music producer and resident of the fourth dimension! Working as a multidisciplinary artist over the last four decades has provided Cleophus with an obvious wealth of experiences and lessons, way too much to fit into one podcast. His continuing journey through new ideas, traversing inspiring and unchartered territories and a commitment to practicality and making ends meet are just some of the ways in which our guest has kept himself busy over his life time. We chat about his three dimensional work, daily routines, art school and portraiture. We also ruminate on the digital age and the computer as a creative tool, its pros and cons. Cleophus opens up about the artist as a rebel and someone who breaks the status quo while the world around them is trying to categorize everything and he shares openly about the wealth of creativity that is present in his family and amongst his siblings. There is also a surprising moment in the conversation where Cleophus admits to working under an alias that we all might know! For all this great stuff and a whole lot more, tune in with us today, on the Not Real Art Podcast! For more information about artists, links and resources from this episode, please visit https://notrealart.com/cleophus/. Key Points From This Episode:  The array of work Cleophus has done over four decades. Creation of three dimensional artworks and legacy portraits. Influences, early years and finding a path to a career in art How he became an award winning producer at Motown Records! The digital age, undoing mistakes and using digital tools Artists as rebels and non-conformists; going against the grain and breaking the rules. A creative family, his upbringing and growing up with dyslexia. Parenting and allowing space and structure for kids to grow into their passion. How Cleophus came to design the cover for a Ray Charles album. Art by design and why Cleophus primarily considers himself a designer. Working under an alias; selling art online that did not interfere with his career. The Art Master company and how Cleophus ended up parting ways with them. Print on demand, Instagram filters and the rise of amateur art. Cleophus' hopes for the future, keeping on with the artist mentality he believes in. And much more! 

Our guest today is Albert Cleophus Willis, artist, designer, music producer and resident of the fourth dimension! Working as a multidisciplinary artist over the last four decades has provided Cleophus with an obvious wealth of experiences and lessons, way too much to fit into one podcast. His continuing journey through new ideas, traversing inspiring and unchartered territories and a commitment to practicality and making ends meet are just some of the ways in which our guest has kept himself busy over his life time. We chat about his three dimensional work, daily routines, art school and portraiture. We also ruminate on the digital age and the computer as a creative tool, its pros and cons. Cleophus opens up about the artist as a rebel and someone who breaks the status quo while the world around them is trying to categorize everything and he shares openly about the wealth of creativity that is present in his family and amongst his siblings. There is also a surprising moment in the conversation where Cleophus admits to working under an alias that we all might know! For all this great stuff and a whole lot more, tune in with us today, on the Not Real Art Podcast! For more information about artists, links and resources from this episode, please visit <a href="https://notrealart.com/cleophus/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://notrealart.com/cleophus/</a>. Key Points From This Episode: <ul> <li>The array of work Cleophus has done over four decades.</li> <li>Creation of three dimensional artworks and legacy portraits.</li> <li>Influences, early years and finding a path to a career in art</li> <li>How he became an award winning producer at Motown Records!</li> <li>The digital age, undoing mistakes and using digital tools</li> <li>Artists as rebels and non-conformists; going against the grain and breaking the rules.</li> <li>A creative family, his upbringing and growing up with dyslexia.</li> <li>Parenting and allowing space and structure for kids to grow into their passion.</li> <li>How Cleophus came to design the cover for a Ray Charles album.</li> <li>Art by design and why Cleophus primarily considers himself a designer.</li> <li>Working under an alias; selling art online that did not interfere with his career.</li> <li>The Art Master company and how Cleophus ended up parting ways with them.</li> <li>Print on demand, Instagram filters and the rise of amateur art.</li> <li>Cleophus' hopes for the future, keeping on with the artist mentality he believes in.</li> <li>And much more!</li> </ul>

Ep. 54: The Fourth Dimension with Artist Cleophus

Devona Stimpson

Today on the podcast we welcome Devona Stimpson, artist, creative, entrepreneur and all-round inspiring human! Devona is truly a twenty-first century artist, who understands what it take to survive in the world as a creative force and leverage her and others' talents for success. In our conversation we talk about the strong links that exist between art and entrepreneurship, the importance of community and building a team, how to connect with the right people and work with inspiring collaborators and improving your communication and conversation around your own work. We also discuss some of the artists that Devona is currently inspired by, being of service, Devona's creative agency gangSTAR and more! For more information about artists, links and resources from this episode, please visit https://notrealart.com/devonastimpson/. Key Points From This Episode:  Today's artist as a combination of entrepreneurship and creativity. Devona's thoughts on our recent Not Real Art Conference. Water cooler moments for artists and entrepreneurs and the importance of community. The collaboration that blossomed out of Devona's time at the conference. Devona's schedule and how she fits everything in! The ideas of creating fate and being of service to people you want to work with. Social skills, hygiene and the art of articulating your work. gangSTAR Creative, their mission and what motivates Devona to help other artists. Artists that Devona admires and follows on social media. Some of Devona's favorite podcasts currently! Devona's own art and what inspires her colorful work. And much more! 

Today on the podcast we welcome Devona Stimpson, artist, creative, entrepreneur and all-round inspiring human! Devona is truly a twenty-first century artist, who understands what it take to survive in the world as a creative force and leverage her and others' talents for success. In our conversation we talk about the strong links that exist between art and entrepreneurship, the importance of community and building a team, how to connect with the right people and work with inspiring collaborators and improving your communication and conversation around your own work. We also discuss some of the artists that Devona is currently inspired by, being of service, Devona's creative agency gangSTAR and more! For more information about artists, links and resources from this episode, please visit <a href="https://notrealart.com/devonastimpson/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://notrealart.com/devonastimpson/</a>. Key Points From This Episode: <ul> <li>Today's artist as a combination of entrepreneurship and creativity.</li> <li>Devona's thoughts on our recent Not Real Art Conference.</li> <li>Water cooler moments for artists and entrepreneurs and the importance of community.</li> <li>The collaboration that blossomed out of Devona's time at the conference.</li> <li>Devona's schedule and how she fits everything in!</li> <li>The ideas of creating fate and being of service to people you want to work with.</li> <li>Social skills, hygiene and the art of articulating your work.</li> <li>gangSTAR Creative, their mission and what motivates Devona to help other artists.</li> <li>Artists that Devona admires and follows on social media.</li> <li>Some of Devona's favorite podcasts currently!</li> <li>Devona's own art and what inspires her colorful work.</li> <li>And much more!</li> </ul>

Ep. 52: A New Breed of Artist with Devona Stimpson

Michael Moore

Welcome back to the Not Real Art Podcast! Joining me is Michael Moore, a creative-to-the-core who fabricates amazing pieces of art as a side hustle. He works a full time job, but he is a true creative polymath who plays music while also making industrial and military-style gadgets with random materials he puts together in imaginative ways. Michael chats about splitting his time between working in the steel mines and creating objects from the inspiration he draws from various places. Being a multidisciplinary artist, he talks about his love for playing the guitar and being part of the band Digital Hair and reveals a few of his favorite musicians. Like a true artist, Michael explains why his art is not about making money and why he is more interested in getting greater exposure and sharing his work with other parts of the world. We talk about the difference between coming up with something truly original and simply replicating what others are doing and conclude that there is probably a place for both. We get into the difficult topic of pricing and making a living as an artist and look at it from all different angles. Be sure to join this conversation where we once again celebrate the rise of the creative class! For more information about artists, links and resources from this episode, please visit https://notrealart.com/dreaming-up-gadgets-with-michael-moore/ Key Points from This Episode:  The whimsical nature of his artworks and how they inspire curiosity and playfulness. Examples of his eclectic pieces, naming them and getting attached to each. The Indiana economy and working in the ovens of the steel mill. Michael’s many hobbies, including hunting, riding his motorcycle, writing and recording. Feeding the soul and the need for artists to develop and maintain a creative outlet. Being part of Digital Hair and what performances meant to him emotionally. Finding his inspiration in junk yards, old buildings and in weird beat up objects. The validation of having one of his artworks praised by Jeff Tweedy. The continuum between artists and entertainers and their relationship to originality. Why there needs to be greater community in the independent art community. Not Real Art as a platform for artists to get their story told. Demystifying the money issue, pricing and why artists should not undercharge. Advice for people who are starting out on an art form. And much more!  

Welcome back to the Not Real Art Podcast! Joining me is Michael Moore, a creative-to-the-core who fabricates amazing pieces of art as a side hustle. He works a full time job, but he is a true creative polymath who plays music while also making industrial and military-style gadgets with random materials he puts together in imaginative ways. Michael chats about splitting his time between working in the steel mines and creating objects from the inspiration he draws from various places. Being a multidisciplinary artist, he talks about his love for playing the guitar and being part of the band Digital Hair and reveals a few of his favorite musicians. Like a true artist, Michael explains why his art is not about making money and why he is more interested in getting greater exposure and sharing his work with other parts of the world. We talk about the difference between coming up with something truly original and simply replicating what others are doing and conclude that there is probably a place for both. We get into the difficult topic of pricing and making a living as an artist and look at it from all different angles. Be sure to join this conversation where we once again celebrate the rise of the creative class! For more information about artists, links and resources from this episode, please visit <a href="https://notrealart.com/dreaming-up-gadgets-with-michael-moore/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://notrealart.com/dreaming-up-gadgets-with-michael-moore/</a> Key Points from This Episode: <ul> <li>The whimsical nature of his artworks and how they inspire curiosity and playfulness.</li> <li>Examples of his eclectic pieces, naming them and getting attached to each.</li> <li>The Indiana economy and working in the ovens of the steel mill.</li> <li>Michael’s many hobbies, including hunting, riding his motorcycle, writing and recording.</li> <li>Feeding the soul and the need for artists to develop and maintain a creative outlet.</li> <li>Being part of Digital Hair and what performances meant to him emotionally.</li> <li>Finding his inspiration in junk yards, old buildings and in weird beat up objects.</li> <li>The validation of having one of his artworks praised by Jeff Tweedy.</li> <li>The continuum between artists and entertainers and their relationship to originality.</li> <li>Why there needs to be greater community in the independent art community.</li> <li>Not Real Art as a platform for artists to get their story told.</li> <li>Demystifying the money issue, pricing and why artists should not undercharge.</li> <li>Advice for people who are starting out on an art form.</li> <li>And much more! </li> </ul>

Ep. 58: Dreaming Up Gadgets with Michael Moore

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