The role of the GC has come a long way since the days when everyone only wanted to work for big law firms.GCs have now evolved into a more strategic and important role within organizations, where lawyers are doing more of the legal work and interacting with the business. For the role to continuously improve, lawyers must stay endlessly curious, evaluate what they’re doing and improve upon it, and learn how to delegate.This week, we're joined by Sterling Miller, CEO and Senior Counsel at Hilgers Graben PLLC. Sterling’s diverse professional experience has enabled him to strategically adapt to each position, embrace change, and disrupt the legal department.In this interview, we delve into what it takes for the GC to chart a more strategic path within their organization.Join us as we discuss: [08:23] How the GC role has evolved [21:34] How lawyers can be more productive[26:01] How to foster innovation and diversity in the legal departmentCheck out these resources we mentioned during the podcast:Sterling MillerHilgers Graben PLLCPERSUITHear more stories by following Innovative Legal Leadership on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast platform.Listening on a desktop &amp; can’t see the links? Just search for Innovative Legal Leadership in your favorite podcast player.

The role of the GC has come a long way since the days when everyone only wanted to work for big law firms. GCs have now evolved into a more strategic and important role within organizations, where lawyers are doing more of the legal work and interacting with the business.  For the role to continuously improve, lawyers must stay endlessly curious, evaluate what they’re doing and improve upon it, and learn how to delegate. This week, we're joined by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/sterlinglmiller/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sterling Miller</a>, CEO and Senior Counsel at <a href="https://hilgersgraben.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Hilgers Graben PLLC</a>. Sterling’s diverse professional experience has enabled him to strategically adapt to each position, embrace change, and disrupt the legal department. In this interview, we delve into what it takes for the GC to chart a more strategic path within their organization. Join us as we discuss: <ul><li>[08:23] How the GC role has evolved </li><li>[21:34] How lawyers can be more productive</li><li>[26:01] How to foster innovation and diversity in the legal department</li></ul>Check out these resources we mentioned during the podcast: <ul><li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/sterlinglmiller/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sterling Miller</a></li><li><a href="https://hilgersgraben.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Hilgers Graben PLLC</a></li><li><a href="https://www.persuit.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">PERSUIT</a></li></ul>Hear more stories by following Innovative Legal Leadership on<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/innovative-legal-leadership/id1561049844" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/38y9ttpYcoeDWbVILtRpIP?si=LfxR-TgnQNWOlkn8CmWUQw" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or your favorite podcast platform. Listening on a desktop &amp; can’t see the links? Just search for Innovative Legal Leadership in your favorite podcast player.

Sterling Miller - Hilgers Graben: The Art of Embracing Opportunities

If lawyers and the legal function are going to thrive in tomorrow’s workforce, they need to be tech-savvy, forward-thinking, and able to project manage. The legal landscape is in a constant state of evolution, and teams must embrace that change to stay ahead.  They need to push alternative ways of doing things and work differently.  This week, we're joined by Shane O’Connor"&gt;Shane O’Connor, General Manager of Strategy and Operations at the Commonwealth Bank of Australia"&gt;Commonwealth Bank of Australia. Shane’s extensive experience across different functions in the banking industry has enabled him to tackle challenges head-on, question the status quo, and implement positive disruption within his organization. In this webinar, we delve into what it takes to initiate change within an organization.  Join us as we discuss:   - [07:40] How Shane created the legal ops function at Commonwealth Bank - [14:18] Shane’s problem-solving process and how he implemented a rollout - [20:53] Strategies for winning the hearts and minds of lawyers - [24:36] What proper change management looks like  Check out these resources we mentioned during the podcast:  - Shane O’Connor"&gt;Shane O’Connor - Commonwealth Bank of Australia"&gt;Commonwealth Bank of Australia - PERSUIT"&gt;PERSUIT  Hear more stories by following Innovative Legal Leadership on Apple Podcasts"&gt; Apple Podcasts, Spotify"&gt;Spotify, or your favorite podcast platform.  Listening on a desktop &amp; can’t see the links? Just search for Innovative Legal Leadership in your favorite podcast player.  

If lawyers and the legal function are going to thrive in tomorrow’s workforce, they need to be tech-savvy, forward-thinking, and able to project manage. The legal landscape is in a constant state of evolution, and teams must embrace that change to stay ahead. They need to push alternative ways of doing things and work differently. This week, we're joined by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/shane-o-connor-195b824/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Shane O’Connor"&gt;Shane O’Connor</a>, General Manager of Strategy and Operations at the <a href="https://www.commbank.com.au/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Commonwealth Bank of Australia"&gt;Commonwealth Bank of Australia</a>. Shane’s extensive experience across different functions in the banking industry has enabled him to tackle challenges head-on, question the status quo, and implement positive disruption within his organization. In this webinar, we delve into what it takes to initiate change within an organization. Join us as we discuss:  - [07:40] How Shane created the legal ops function at Commonwealth Bank - [14:18] Shane’s problem-solving process and how he implemented a rollout - [20:53] Strategies for winning the hearts and minds of lawyers - [24:36] What proper change management looks like Check out these resources we mentioned during the podcast: - <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/shane-o-connor-195b824/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Shane O’Connor"&gt;Shane O’Connor</a> - <a href="https://www.commbank.com.au/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Commonwealth Bank of Australia"&gt;Commonwealth Bank of Australia</a> - <a href="https://www.persuit.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">PERSUIT"&gt;PERSUIT</a> Hear more stories by following Innovative Legal Leadership on<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/innovative-legal-leadership/id1561049844" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Apple Podcasts"&gt; Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/38y9ttpYcoeDWbVILtRpIP?si=LfxR-TgnQNWOlkn8CmWUQw" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify"&gt;Spotify</a>, or your favorite podcast platform. Listening on a desktop &amp; can’t see the links? Just search for Innovative Legal Leadership in your favorite podcast player.

Shane O’Connor – Commonwealth Bank: Successful Change Management in Legal

Unbeknownst to many, mass arbitration is actually something that recently evolved in the legal landscape as an alternative to large class action lawsuits.  What should companies be aware of, and how can they deal with mass arbitration successfully?  This week, we're joined by Maui Gevero"&gt;Maui Gevero, Senior Manager of Legal Advisory at PERSUIT"&gt;PERSUIT.  We dive into what mass arbitration is and how companies can proactively address challenges arising from this.  Maui also shares his views on where the system loopholes are and what companies should do to test different approaches to handling mass arbitrations. He also leaves us with some tips regarding what companies requiring legal consultation must do.  Join us as we discuss:   - The definition of mass arbitration (00:10) - Maui’s best examples of mass arbitration cases (02:44) - Three steps that companies should follow related to mass arbitration (07:18)   Hear more stories by following Innovative Legal Leadership on Apple Podcasts"&gt; Apple Podcasts, Spotify"&gt;Spotify, or any podcast platform.  Listening on a desktop &amp; can’t see the links? Just search for Innovative Legal Leadership in your favorite podcast player.

Unbeknownst to many, mass arbitration is actually something that recently evolved in the legal landscape as an alternative to large class action lawsuits. What should companies be aware of, and how can they deal with mass arbitration successfully? This week, we're joined by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmcge/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Maui Gevero"&gt;Maui Gevero</a>, Senior Manager of Legal Advisory at <a href="https://www.persuit.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">PERSUIT"&gt;PERSUIT</a>. We dive into what mass arbitration is and how companies can proactively address challenges arising from this. Maui also shares his views on where the system loopholes are and what companies should do to test different approaches to handling mass arbitrations. He also leaves us with some tips regarding what companies requiring legal consultation must do. Join us as we discuss:  - The definition of mass arbitration (00:10) - Maui’s best examples of mass arbitration cases (02:44) - Three steps that companies should follow related to mass arbitration (07:18) Hear more stories by following Innovative Legal Leadership on<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/innovative-legal-leadership/id1561049844" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Apple Podcasts"&gt; Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/38y9ttpYcoeDWbVILtRpIP?si=LfxR-TgnQNWOlkn8CmWUQw" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify"&gt;Spotify</a>, or any podcast platform. Listening on a desktop &amp; can’t see the links? Just search for Innovative Legal Leadership in your favorite podcast player.

Maui Gevero – PERSUIT: Successfully Navigating Mass Arbitration

A lot has happened since Inderpreet Sawhney"&gt;Inderpreet Sawhney became General Counsel and Chief Compliance Officer at Infosys"&gt; Infosys in 2017. After globetrotting through several firms and businesses, she now oversees an in-house team that is witnessing incredible advances in generative AI firsthand.  And like many other GCs and legal professionals, she’s curious to see how these innovations will redefine value in the field.  Inderpreet gives us her insights into what generative AI could mean for future lawyers, and some do’s and don’ts when transitioning from big law firms to in-house teams.   Join us as we discuss:  - How the role of GC has evolved from tactical to strategic (8:12) - Generative AI and its impact on relationships with outside counsel (14:27) - The evolution of the young lawyer’s traditional training ground (25:03)  Check out these resources we mentioned during the podcast:  - Infosys Topaz"&gt;Infosys Topaz   Hear more stories by following Innovative Legal Leadership on Apple Podcasts"&gt; Apple Podcasts, Spotify"&gt;Spotify, or any podcast platform.  Listening on a desktop &amp; can’t see the links? Just search for Innovative Legal Leadership in your favorite podcast player.  

A lot has happened since <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/inderpreet-sawhney-2a8b47/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Inderpreet Sawhney"&gt;Inderpreet Sawhney</a> became General Counsel and Chief Compliance Officer at<a href="https://www.infosys.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Infosys"&gt; Infosys</a> in 2017. After globetrotting through several firms and businesses, she now oversees an in-house team that is witnessing incredible advances in generative AI firsthand. And like many other GCs and legal professionals, she’s curious to see how these innovations will redefine value in the field. Inderpreet gives us her insights into what generative AI could mean for future lawyers, and some do’s and don’ts when transitioning from big law firms to in-house teams. Join us as we discuss: - How the role of GC has evolved from tactical to strategic (8:12) - Generative AI and its impact on relationships with outside counsel (14:27) - The evolution of the young lawyer’s traditional training ground (25:03) Check out these resources we mentioned during the podcast: - <a href="https://www.infosys.com/services/data-ai-topaz.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Infosys Topaz"&gt;Infosys Topaz</a> Hear more stories by following Innovative Legal Leadership on<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/innovative-legal-leadership/id1561049844" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Apple Podcasts"&gt; Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/38y9ttpYcoeDWbVILtRpIP?si=LfxR-TgnQNWOlkn8CmWUQw" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify"&gt;Spotify</a>, or any podcast platform. Listening on a desktop &amp; can’t see the links? Just search for Innovative Legal Leadership in your favorite podcast player.

Inderpreet Sawhney: Infosys — AI’s Impact on the Lawyers of Tomorrow

Nobody loves the billable hour. For too long, law firms have viewed it as a necessary evil, partly because the right technology just hadn’t shown up yet.   But now, ChatGPT and large language models have entered the public scene. And Jim Delkousis"&gt;Jim Delkousis, Founder and CEO at PERSUIT"&gt;PERSUIT, is loving every minute of it. Today, he’s watching AI breathe new life into his vision of a legal industry that values outcomes over time.  Don’t miss this exclusive peek into how Jim’s career path inspired him to start PERSUIT and why he’s excited about an AI-driven legal industry.     Join us as we discuss:  - An overwhelming introduction to a powerful international firm (5:03) - Realizing the need for a transparent legal marketplace (19:40) - Why AI will drive the cost of knowledge creation to zero (30:51)  Hear more stories by following Innovative Legal Leadership on Apple Podcasts"&gt; Apple Podcasts, Spotify"&gt;Spotify, or any podcast platform.  Listening on a desktop &amp; can’t see the links? Just search for Innovative Legal Leadership in your favorite podcast player.  

Nobody loves the billable hour. For too long, law firms have viewed it as a necessary evil, partly because the right technology just hadn’t shown up yet. But now, ChatGPT and large language models have entered the public scene. And <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jim-delkousis/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Jim Delkousis"&gt;Jim Delkousis</a>, Founder and CEO at <a href="https://www.persuit.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">PERSUIT"&gt;PERSUIT</a>, is loving every minute of it. Today, he’s watching AI breathe new life into his vision of a legal industry that values outcomes over time. Don’t miss this exclusive peek into how Jim’s career path inspired him to start PERSUIT and why he’s excited about an AI-driven legal industry.    Join us as we discuss: - An overwhelming introduction to a powerful international firm (5:03) - Realizing the need for a transparent legal marketplace (19:40) - Why AI will drive the cost of knowledge creation to zero (30:51) Hear more stories by following Innovative Legal Leadership on<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/innovative-legal-leadership/id1561049844" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Apple Podcasts"&gt; Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/38y9ttpYcoeDWbVILtRpIP?si=LfxR-TgnQNWOlkn8CmWUQw" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify"&gt;Spotify</a>, or any podcast platform. Listening on a desktop &amp; can’t see the links? Just search for Innovative Legal Leadership in your favorite podcast player.

Jim Delkousis: PERSUIT —The Power of Value-based Pricing

Like many young attorneys, Cynthia Lareine"&gt;Cynthia Lareine, Director of Community Development at PERSUIT"&gt;PERSUIT, experienced the relentless grind early in her legal career. Feeling the pressure to always say “Yes,” she survived a culture that viewed clocking out as a sign of weakness.  But today, she’s channeling her drive and experience to help advance PERSUIT’s mission to drive better outcomes in the legal industry.  In this episode, we revisit Cynthia’s passionate interview as she talks about how she thinks innovation will help transform relationships and bring about real value to the field.  Join us as we discuss:  - How childhood discrimination influenced Cynthia’s career path (3:44) - The pressures endured by junior associates at large firms (10:02)  - How working with the African legal community led her to PERSUIT (23:00)  Hear more stories by following Innovative Legal Leadership on Apple Podcasts"&gt; Apple Podcasts, Spotify"&gt;Spotify, or any podcast platform.  Listening on a desktop &amp; can’t see the links? Just search for Innovative Legal Leadership in your favorite podcast player.  

Like many young attorneys, <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/cynthia-lareine-33941018/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Cynthia Lareine"&gt;Cynthia Lareine</a>, Director of Community Development at <a href="https://www.persuit.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">PERSUIT"&gt;PERSUIT</a>, experienced the relentless grind early in her legal career. Feeling the pressure to always say “Yes,” she survived a culture that viewed clocking out as a sign of weakness. But today, she’s channeling her drive and experience to help advance PERSUIT’s mission to drive better outcomes in the legal industry. In this episode, we revisit Cynthia’s passionate interview as she talks about how she thinks innovation will help transform relationships and bring about real value to the field. Join us as we discuss: - How childhood discrimination influenced Cynthia’s career path (3:44) - The pressures endured by junior associates at large firms (10:02)  - How working with the African legal community led her to PERSUIT (23:00) Hear more stories by following Innovative Legal Leadership on<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/innovative-legal-leadership/id1561049844" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Apple Podcasts"&gt; Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/38y9ttpYcoeDWbVILtRpIP?si=LfxR-TgnQNWOlkn8CmWUQw" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify"&gt;Spotify</a>, or any podcast platform. Listening on a desktop &amp; can’t see the links? Just search for Innovative Legal Leadership in your favorite podcast player.

Cynthia Lareine: PERSUIT — Bridging Client and Law Firm Values

Litigation is like war. Long, drawn-out, and unpredictable. Which is why many law firms are reluctant to quote fixed fees for these types of matters.  But David Falstein"&gt;David Falstein, VP of Product at PERSUIT"&gt;PERSUIT (and former lawyer and legal sourcing expert at J&amp;J), thinks that’s really just an excuse to delay inevitable change. And he gives a compelling argument as to why AFAs can be a winning proposition for clients and firms, alike.  Tune in as we revisit this insightful discussion with David about transparent pricing in fixed fee arrangements.  Join us as we discuss:  - Debunking the uncertainty around alternative fee arrangements (13:34) - Challenges to transitioning to a fixed fee model in law firms (24:30) - Why billable hours are a mental health nightmare (30:49)  Hear more stories by following Innovative Legal Leadership on Apple Podcasts"&gt; Apple Podcasts, Spotify"&gt;Spotify, or any podcast platform.  Listening on a desktop &amp; can’t see the links? Just search for Innovative Legal Leadership in your favorite podcast player.  

Litigation is like war. Long, drawn-out, and unpredictable. Which is why many law firms are reluctant to quote fixed fees for these types of matters. But <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-falstein-851b7037/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">David Falstein"&gt;David Falstein</a>, VP of Product at <a href="https://www.persuit.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">PERSUIT"&gt;PERSUIT</a> (and former lawyer and legal sourcing expert at J&amp;J), thinks that’s really just an excuse to delay inevitable change. And he gives a compelling argument as to why AFAs can be a winning proposition for clients and firms, alike. Tune in as we revisit this insightful discussion with David about transparent pricing in fixed fee arrangements. Join us as we discuss: - Debunking the uncertainty around alternative fee arrangements (13:34) - Challenges to transitioning to a fixed fee model in law firms (24:30) - Why billable hours are a mental health nightmare (30:49) Hear more stories by following Innovative Legal Leadership on<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/innovative-legal-leadership/id1561049844" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Apple Podcasts"&gt; Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/38y9ttpYcoeDWbVILtRpIP?si=LfxR-TgnQNWOlkn8CmWUQw" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify"&gt;Spotify</a>, or any podcast platform. Listening on a desktop &amp; can’t see the links? Just search for Innovative Legal Leadership in your favorite podcast player.

PERSUIT: David Falstein — The Alternative Fee Arrangement Myth

There’s a lot of excitement and some trepidation around the introduction of AI in the legal ecosystem.  One thing that everyone can agree on is that it’s imperative for legal functions across organizations - regardless of size - to start thinking about their AI strategy.  The real value comes from learning what’s working and initiating those conversations early on.  In this special webinar recap hosted by PERSUIT’s Senior Manager of Legal Advisory Maui Gevero"&gt;Maui Gevero, we discuss how AI is rapidly changing the legal landscape. Listen in as Maui leads the discussion featuring  Chris Grant"&gt;Chris Grant, David Cunningham"&gt;David Cunningham, and Sean Monahan"&gt;Sean Monahan, who share what they’ve learned about how companies should approach the AI conversation.  Join us as we discuss:  - What your firm’s overarching AI strategy should be (09:57) - Where Generative AI would have the greatest impact (33:01) - A good way to approach the AI conversation with outside counsel (49:52)  Hear more stories by following Innovative Legal Leadership on Apple Podcasts"&gt; Apple Podcasts, Spotify"&gt;Spotify, or any podcast platform.  Listening on a desktop &amp; can’t see the links? Just search for Innovative Legal Leadership in your favorite podcast player.  

There’s a lot of excitement and some trepidation around the introduction of AI in the legal ecosystem. One thing that everyone can agree on is that it’s imperative for legal functions across organizations - regardless of size - to start thinking about their AI strategy. The real value comes from learning what’s working and initiating those conversations early on. In this special webinar recap hosted by PERSUIT’s Senior Manager of Legal Advisory <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmcge/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Maui Gevero"&gt;Maui Gevero</a>, we discuss how AI is rapidly changing the legal landscape. Listen in as Maui leads the discussion featuring  <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisagrant/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Chris Grant"&gt;Chris Grant</a>, <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidbcunningham/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">David Cunningham"&gt;David Cunningham</a>, and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/smonahan02/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sean Monahan"&gt;Sean Monahan</a>, who share what they’ve learned about how companies should approach the AI conversation. Join us as we discuss: - What your firm’s overarching AI strategy should be (09:57) - Where Generative AI would have the greatest impact (33:01) - A good way to approach the AI conversation with outside counsel (49:52) Hear more stories by following Innovative Legal Leadership on<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/innovative-legal-leadership/id1561049844" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Apple Podcasts"&gt; Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/38y9ttpYcoeDWbVILtRpIP?si=LfxR-TgnQNWOlkn8CmWUQw" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify"&gt;Spotify</a>, or any podcast platform. Listening on a desktop &amp; can’t see the links? Just search for Innovative Legal Leadership in your favorite podcast player.

How AI Will Disrupt the Future Legal Landscape

The hourly bill is a relic in the age of AI.   Accelerated change is driving unparalleled efficiency in the legal industry. So it’s time for law firms to stop valuing time and effort over outcomes.   Also, it’s just a crappy way to work.  In this special webinar recap, PERSUIT’s Director of Legal Advisory, Laura Spalding"&gt;Laura Spalding, and Legal Advisory Manager, Cassieoppia Snowden"&gt;Cassieoppia Snowden, present an overview of alternative fee arrangement (AFA) models. From the benefits to practical applications, Laura and Cassieoppia unpack why law firms should adopt AFAs and put the hourly bill in a museum.      Join us as we discuss:  - Why law firms need to move away from hourly billing (4:20) - A breakdown of AFA families and their respective models (14:51) - Why scoping is the biggest barrier to adopting AFAs (45:00)  Hear more stories by following Innovative Legal Leadership on Apple Podcasts"&gt; Apple Podcasts, Spotify"&gt;Spotify, or any podcast platform.  Listening on a desktop &amp; can’t see the links? Just search for Innovative Legal Leadership in your favorite podcast player.  

The hourly bill is a relic in the age of AI. Accelerated change is driving unparalleled efficiency in the legal industry. So it’s time for law firms to stop valuing time and effort over outcomes. Also, it’s just a crappy way to work. In this special webinar recap, PERSUIT’s Director of Legal Advisory, <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/lauraspaldinglawyer/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Laura Spalding"&gt;Laura Spalding</a>, and Legal Advisory Manager, <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/cassieoppia-snowden-365aa6143/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Cassieoppia Snowden"&gt;Cassieoppia Snowden</a>, present an overview of alternative fee arrangement (AFA) models. From the benefits to practical applications, Laura and Cassieoppia unpack why law firms should adopt AFAs and put the hourly bill in a museum.    Join us as we discuss: - Why law firms need to move away from hourly billing (4:20) - A breakdown of AFA families and their respective models (14:51) - Why scoping is the biggest barrier to adopting AFAs (45:00) Hear more stories by following Innovative Legal Leadership on<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/innovative-legal-leadership/id1561049844" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Apple Podcasts"&gt; Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/38y9ttpYcoeDWbVILtRpIP?si=LfxR-TgnQNWOlkn8CmWUQw" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify"&gt;Spotify</a>, or any podcast platform. Listening on a desktop &amp; can’t see the links? Just search for Innovative Legal Leadership in your favorite podcast player.

Unlocking the Power of Value-Based Pricing: An Introduction to AFAs

Chris Grant

There was a time when Chris Grant"&gt;Chris Grant, Head of Legal Engagement at HSBC"&gt; HSBC, started to second-guess his career path in law. A lack of innovative tools and collaboration to help streamline efficiencies gave him a chronic case of wanderlust as he bounced between in-house and private practice.  But now that forward-thinking tech vendors and AI technologies are finding their feet, the future that Chris was waiting for is finally here.  Chris gives an exclusive peek into the legal operations of one of the largest financial institutions in the world and how he and his team are meeting aggressive change head-on.  Join us as we discuss:  - (5:43) Why innovators aren’t exclusive to in-house or private practice - (10:31) 3 things that need to change in the industry going forward - (18:19) How to measure ROI for new legal initiatives - (27:46) The power of conversation and the future of legal ops  Check out these resources we mentioned during the podcast:  - Legal Geek"&gt;Legal Geek  Hear more stories by following Innovative Legal Leadership on Apple Podcasts"&gt; Apple Podcasts, Spotify"&gt;Spotify, or any podcast platform.  Listening on a desktop &amp; can’t see the links? Just search for Innovative Legal Leadership in your favorite podcast player.  

There was a time when <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisagrant/?originalSubdomain=uk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Chris Grant"&gt;Chris Grant</a>, Head of Legal Engagement at<a href="https://www.hsbc.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> HSBC"&gt; HSBC</a>, started to second-guess his career path in law. A lack of innovative tools and collaboration to help streamline efficiencies gave him a chronic case of wanderlust as he bounced between in-house and private practice. But now that forward-thinking tech vendors and AI technologies are finding their feet, the future that Chris was waiting for is finally here. Chris gives an exclusive peek into the legal operations of one of the largest financial institutions in the world and how he and his team are meeting aggressive change head-on. Join us as we discuss: - (5:43) Why innovators aren’t exclusive to in-house or private practice - (10:31) 3 things that need to change in the industry going forward - (18:19) How to measure ROI for new legal initiatives - (27:46) The power of conversation and the future of legal ops Check out these resources we mentioned during the podcast: - <a href="https://www.legalgeek.co/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Legal Geek"&gt;Legal Geek</a> Hear more stories by following Innovative Legal Leadership on<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/innovative-legal-leadership/id1561049844" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Apple Podcasts"&gt; Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/38y9ttpYcoeDWbVILtRpIP?si=LfxR-TgnQNWOlkn8CmWUQw" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify"&gt;Spotify</a>, or any podcast platform. Listening on a desktop &amp; can’t see the links? Just search for Innovative Legal Leadership in your favorite podcast player.

Chris Grant: HSBC — Forget About the Input; Price for Output

Innovative Legal Leadership is the podcast dedicated to the world’s most innovative General Counsel and their leadership teams. In this show, you’ll hear best practices in running a Fortune 500 inhouse legal department: the challenges, wins, roadblocks and what lies ahead.

Thanks to large language models like ChatGPT, legal ops has seen incredible accelerated change over the last nine months. And some teams are still struggling with how much they can reasonably integrate these tools into their processes.  Gregg McConnell"&gt;Gregg McConnell, Global Director of Legal Operations and Innovation at Corteva"&gt;Corteva, thinks they shouldn’t be afraid to hop on the AI train. But embracing this innovation could bring on a whole new set of challenges for the legal ops teams of the future if they’re ill-prepared.  Gregg shares his insights on AI technology’s impact on legal operations and where he looks to find the next great disruptor.     Join us as we discuss:  - (8:18) What the ideal GC and legal ops partnership looks like - (20:33) Corteva’s internal uses of AI, including a unique set of chatbots  - (32:33) How AI will ultimately impact legal ops roles and workflow  Hear more stories by following Innovative Legal Leadership on Apple Podcasts"&gt; Apple Podcasts, Spotify"&gt;Spotify, or any podcast platform.  Listening on a desktop &amp; can’t see the links? Just search for Innovative Legal Leadership in your favorite podcast player.  

Thanks to large language models like ChatGPT, legal ops has seen incredible accelerated change over the last nine months. And some teams are still struggling with how much they can reasonably integrate these tools into their processes. <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/greggmcconnell/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Gregg McConnell"&gt;Gregg McConnell</a>, Global Director of Legal Operations and Innovation at <a href="https://www.corteva.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Corteva"&gt;Corteva</a>, thinks they shouldn’t be afraid to hop on the AI train. But embracing this innovation could bring on a whole new set of challenges for the legal ops teams of the future if they’re ill-prepared. Gregg shares his insights on AI technology’s impact on legal operations and where he looks to find the next great disruptor.    Join us as we discuss: - (8:18) What the ideal GC and legal ops partnership looks like - (20:33) Corteva’s internal uses of AI, including a unique set of chatbots  - (32:33) How AI will ultimately impact legal ops roles and workflow Hear more stories by following Innovative Legal Leadership on<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/innovative-legal-leadership/id1561049844" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Apple Podcasts"&gt; Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/38y9ttpYcoeDWbVILtRpIP?si=LfxR-TgnQNWOlkn8CmWUQw" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify"&gt;Spotify</a>, or any podcast platform. Listening on a desktop &amp; can’t see the links? Just search for Innovative Legal Leadership in your favorite podcast player.

Gregg McConnell: Corteva — Always Look for the Next Disruptor in Legal Ops

ChatGPT and similar large language models are already making a historic impact on law firms and in-house legal teams alike. So what does the future hold for day-to-day work practices in the industry, and how will we weigh the value of time going forward?   In this special episode, we recap our extraordinary webinar with Shannon Thyme Klinger"&gt;Shannon Thyme Klinger, Chief Legal Officer at Moderna"&gt;Moderna.   Jim and other members of the PERSUIT team join Shannon to address the future of AI in legal, as well as answer some burning questions from our audience.  Join us as we discuss:  - Risk management and compliance concerns with ChatGPT (10:43) - Why AI applications will be essential for legal teams (17:51)  - PERSUIT’s ChatGPT study on RFP proposal analysis (25:22) - How large language models will redefine time’s value (38:44)  Check out these resources we mentioned during the podcast:  - The Implications of ChatGPT for Legal Services and Society"&gt;The Implications of ChatGPT for Legal Services and Society  Hear more stories by following Innovative Legal Leadership on Apple Podcasts"&gt; Apple Podcasts, Spotify"&gt;Spotify, or any podcast platform.  Listening on a desktop &amp; can’t see the links? Just search for Innovative Legal Leadership in your favorite podcast player.  

ChatGPT and similar large language models are already making a historic impact on law firms and in-house legal teams alike. So what does the future hold for day-to-day work practices in the industry, and how will we weigh the value of time going forward? In this special episode, we recap our extraordinary webinar with <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/shannon-thyme-klinger/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Shannon Thyme Klinger"&gt;Shannon Thyme Klinger</a>, Chief Legal Officer at <a href="https://www.modernatx.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Moderna"&gt;Moderna</a>. Jim and other members of the PERSUIT team join Shannon to address the future of AI in legal, as well as answer some burning questions from our audience. Join us as we discuss: - Risk management and compliance concerns with ChatGPT (10:43) - Why AI applications will be essential for legal teams (17:51)  - PERSUIT’s ChatGPT study on RFP proposal analysis (25:22) - How large language models will redefine time’s value (38:44) Check out these resources we mentioned during the podcast: - <a href="https://clp.law.harvard.edu/knowledge-hub/magazine/issues/generative-ai-in-the-legal-profession/the-implications-of-chatgpt-for-legal-services-and-society/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Implications of ChatGPT for Legal Services and Society"&gt;The Implications of ChatGPT for Legal Services and Society</a> Hear more stories by following Innovative Legal Leadership on<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/innovative-legal-leadership/id1561049844" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Apple Podcasts"&gt; Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/38y9ttpYcoeDWbVILtRpIP?si=LfxR-TgnQNWOlkn8CmWUQw" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify"&gt;Spotify</a>, or any podcast platform. Listening on a desktop &amp; can’t see the links? Just search for Innovative Legal Leadership in your favorite podcast player.

Shannon Thyme Klinger: Moderna — How Generative AI Will Transform Legal

In early 2021, I. Stephanie Boyce"&gt;I. Stephanie Boyce made history as the first woman of color to become President of The Law Society of England and Wales"&gt;The Law Society of England and Wales (LSEW) in its 200-plus years. During her tenure, she was instrumental in pushing for new socio-economic initiatives, including the ACT (Achieving Change Together) task force. Although her time as acting President is over, her work to advance the DEI discussion by putting words into action is just beginning.  The President of the Leicester University Law Society"&gt;Leicester University Law Society and Board of Trustees member for JUSTICE"&gt;JUSTICE shares her incredible insights on in-house legal challenges and the future of DEI.  Join us as we discuss:  - Stephanie’s journey to becoming President of LSEW (3:25) - ACT and other group-driven DEI initiatives (10:05) - Being a steady voice in leadership during times of crises (17:42)  Check out these resources we mentioned during the podcast:  - I. Stephanie Boyce"&gt;I. Stephanie Boyce - The Law Society of England and Wales"&gt;The Law Society of England and Wales - LSEW Race for Inclusion Report"&gt;LSEW Race for Inclusion Report - Achieving Change Together"&gt;Achieving Change Together (ACT) - Solicitors Regulation Authority"&gt;Solicitors Regulation Authority  Hear more stories by following Innovative Legal Leadership on Apple Podcasts"&gt; Apple Podcasts, Spotify"&gt;Spotify, or any podcast platform.  

In early 2021, <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/i-stephanie-boyce-a4757062/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">I. Stephanie Boyce"&gt;I. Stephanie Boyce</a> made history as the first woman of color to become President of <a href="https://www.lawsociety.org.uk/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Law Society of England and Wales"&gt;The Law Society of England and Wales</a> (LSEW) in its 200-plus years. During her tenure, she was instrumental in pushing for new socio-economic initiatives, including the ACT (Achieving Change Together) task force. Although her time as acting President is over, her work to advance the DEI discussion by putting words into action is just beginning. The President of the <a href="https://luls.org.uk/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Leicester University Law Society"&gt;Leicester University Law Society</a> and Board of Trustees member for <a href="https://justice.org.uk/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">JUSTICE"&gt;JUSTICE</a> shares her incredible insights on in-house legal challenges and the future of DEI. Join us as we discuss: - Stephanie’s journey to becoming President of LSEW (3:25) - ACT and other group-driven DEI initiatives (10:05) - Being a steady voice in leadership during times of crises (17:42) Check out these resources we mentioned during the podcast: - <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/i-stephanie-boyce-a4757062/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">I. Stephanie Boyce"&gt;I. Stephanie Boyce</a> - <a href="https://www.lawsociety.org.uk/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Law Society of England and Wales"&gt;The Law Society of England and Wales</a> - <a href="https://www.lawsociety.org.uk/topics/research/race-for-inclusion-the-experiences-of-black-asian-and-minority-ethnic-solicitors" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">LSEW Race for Inclusion Report"&gt;LSEW Race for Inclusion Report</a> - <a href="https://www.lawsociety.org.uk/campaigns/social-mobility/achieving-change-together-social-mobility" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Achieving Change Together"&gt;Achieving Change Together</a> (ACT) - <a href="https://www.sra.org.uk/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Solicitors Regulation Authority"&gt;Solicitors Regulation Authority</a> Hear more stories by following Innovative Legal Leadership on<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/innovative-legal-leadership/id1561049844" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Apple Podcasts"&gt; Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/38y9ttpYcoeDWbVILtRpIP?si=LfxR-TgnQNWOlkn8CmWUQw" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify"&gt;Spotify</a>, or any podcast platform.

I. Stephanie Boyce: JUSTICE — Everyone Deserves a Seat at the Table

The growth in demand for legal services has been flat for more than a decade.   Can AI help to change this trend and disrupt the way that law firms work?  This week we're joined by Maui Gevero"&gt;Maui Gevero, Senior Manager of Legal Advisory at PERSUIT"&gt;PERSUIT. We dive into some trends that have significantly impacted demand in the legal industry, and how law firms are expanding their teams faster than they’re growing demand.  Maui also shares his views on why the traditional law firm business model no longer works, and how AI and machine learning will enable GCs to eventually phase out the billable hour format and be more outcome-driven.  Maui and Jim also talk about:   - Demand and supply: Trends that have impacted law firms [00:45] - Why law firms are expanding faster than the market demand [3:38] - Why the traditional law firm business model is no longer relevant [10:07] - Why and how law firms need to think about their AI strategy [33:30]  Check out these resources we mentioned during the podcast:  - Maui Gevero"&gt;Maui Gevero - PERSUIT"&gt;PERSUIT Hear more stories by following Innovative Legal Leadership on Apple Podcasts"&gt; Apple Podcasts, Spotify"&gt;Spotify, or any podcast platform.  Listening on a desktop &amp; can’t see the links? Just search for Innovative Legal Leadership in your favorite podcast player.  

The growth in demand for legal services has been flat for more than a decade. Can AI help to change this trend and disrupt the way that law firms work? This week we're joined by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmcge/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Maui Gevero"&gt;Maui Gevero</a>, Senior Manager of Legal Advisory at <a href="https://www.persuit.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">PERSUIT"&gt;PERSUIT</a>. We dive into some trends that have significantly impacted demand in the legal industry, and how law firms are expanding their teams faster than they’re growing demand. Maui also shares his views on why the traditional law firm business model no longer works, and how AI and machine learning will enable GCs to eventually phase out the billable hour format and be more outcome-driven. Maui and Jim also talk about:  - Demand and supply: Trends that have impacted law firms [00:45] - Why law firms are expanding faster than the market demand [3:38] - Why the traditional law firm business model is no longer relevant [10:07] - Why and how law firms need to think about their AI strategy [33:30] Check out these resources we mentioned during the podcast: - <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmcge/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Maui Gevero"&gt;Maui Gevero</a> - <a href="https://www.persuit.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">PERSUIT"&gt;PERSUIT</a> Hear more stories by following Innovative Legal Leadership on<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/innovative-legal-leadership/id1561049844" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Apple Podcasts"&gt; Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/38y9ttpYcoeDWbVILtRpIP?si=LfxR-TgnQNWOlkn8CmWUQw" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify"&gt;Spotify</a>, or any podcast platform. Listening on a desktop &amp; can’t see the links? Just search for Innovative Legal Leadership in your favorite podcast player.

Maui Gevero  –  PERSUIT: Killing the Billable Hour Through Positive Disruption

Twitter v. Wachtell.   What can we expect to happen? And what does it mean for the future of the billable hour?   Join PERSUIT’s CEO (and former Biglaw partner) Jim Delkousis as he shares:    - Why the case will settle quickly - Why Wachtell has so much at stake in the matter (besides a mere $60M) - How the case exposes legal procurement’s “black box” and why that needs to change  Check out these resources we mentioned during the podcast:  - Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen &amp; Katz"&gt;Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen &amp; Katz  Hear more stories by following Innovative Legal Leadership on Apple Podcasts"&gt; Apple Podcasts, Spotify"&gt;Spotify, or any podcast platform.  Listening on a desktop &amp; can’t see the links? Just search for Innovative Legal Leadership in your favorite podcast player.  

Twitter v. Wachtell.   What can we expect to happen? And what does it mean for the future of the billable hour?  Join PERSUIT’s CEO (and former Biglaw partner) Jim Delkousis as he shares:   - Why the case will settle quickly - Why Wachtell has so much at stake in the matter (besides a mere $60M) - How the case exposes legal procurement’s “black box” and why that needs to change Check out these resources we mentioned during the podcast: - <a href="https://www.wlrk.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen &amp; Katz"&gt;Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen &amp; Katz</a> Hear more stories by following Innovative Legal Leadership on<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/innovative-legal-leadership/id1561049844" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Apple Podcasts"&gt; Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/38y9ttpYcoeDWbVILtRpIP?si=LfxR-TgnQNWOlkn8CmWUQw" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify"&gt;Spotify</a>, or any podcast platform. Listening on a desktop &amp; can’t see the links? Just search for Innovative Legal Leadership in your favorite podcast player.

Twitter v. Wachtell: How it will end…and what comes next?

As general counsels and their legal teams sally forth into the age of AI, the lasting impact large language models could have on the industry is a hotly debated topic.    Catheryn O’Rourke"&gt;Catheryn O’Rourke, General Counsel &amp; Company Secretary at Reckitt"&gt; Reckitt, is cautiously optimistic about the potential for AI to abolish “soul-crushing” work. But she keeps herself grounded by leaning on technological experts to help guide her team’s AI strategy.  Tune in to hear Catheryn’s insights into innovative tools like ChatGPT and why she thinks GCs are steadily becoming the champions of calm and confidence in the C-suite.  Join us as we discuss:  - Why getting comfortable with uncertainty is critical to the GC role (11:39) - The ongoing evolution of GCs and their impact on the boardroom (23:46) - Leaning on knowledgeable experts to forecast an AI strategy (37:55) - Shifting to balance ESG efforts with business needs (43:56)  Hear more stories by following Innovative Legal Leadership on Apple Podcasts"&gt; Apple Podcasts, Spotify"&gt;Spotify, or any podcast platform.  Listening on a desktop &amp; can’t see the links? Just search for Innovative Legal Leadership in your favorite podcast player.   

As general counsels and their legal teams sally forth into the age of AI, the lasting impact large language models could have on the industry is a hotly debated topic.   <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/catheryn-o-rourke-395098143/?originalSubdomain=uk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Catheryn O’Rourke"&gt;Catheryn O’Rourke</a>, General Counsel &amp; Company Secretary at<a href="https://www.reckitt.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Reckitt"&gt; Reckitt</a>, is cautiously optimistic about the potential for AI to abolish “soul-crushing” work. But she keeps herself grounded by leaning on technological experts to help guide her team’s AI strategy. Tune in to hear Catheryn’s insights into innovative tools like ChatGPT and why she thinks GCs are steadily becoming the champions of calm and confidence in the C-suite. Join us as we discuss: - Why getting comfortable with uncertainty is critical to the GC role (11:39) - The ongoing evolution of GCs and their impact on the boardroom (23:46) - Leaning on knowledgeable experts to forecast an AI strategy (37:55) - Shifting to balance ESG efforts with business needs (43:56) Hear more stories by following Innovative Legal Leadership on<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/innovative-legal-leadership/id1561049844" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Apple Podcasts"&gt; Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/38y9ttpYcoeDWbVILtRpIP?si=LfxR-TgnQNWOlkn8CmWUQw" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify"&gt;Spotify</a>, or any podcast platform. Listening on a desktop &amp; can’t see the links? Just search for Innovative Legal Leadership in your favorite podcast player.

Catheryn O’Rourke: Reckitt — Can Legal Teams Slay Soul-Crushing Work With AI?

As Elon Musk prepares to go toe-to-toe with legal giant Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen &amp; Katz over $90 million in billed fees, this high profile case raises several questions about outcome-based legal fees and how corporate legal teams determine a fair and reasonable price in sourcing their outside counsel.     Did Wachtell overstep in their mad scramble to bill a $60 million premium right before Musk closed his Twitter acquisition?   Did the board abdicate their duty to shareholders by not questioning Wachtell’s terms?  How will this impact how the legal industry measures the value of legal services in the future?  Jim Delkousis chimes in with his thoughts on why Musk’s suit matters to the legal industry, and not necessarily for the primary reasons that it’s making headlines.  Join us as we discuss:  - 3 big questions the lawsuit raises (3:01) - Justifying ROI and determining market value (8:04) - Who was looking out for Twitter’s best interests (12:56)  Check out these resources we mentioned during the podcast:  - Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen &amp; Katz"&gt;Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen &amp; Katz  Hear more stories by following Innovative Legal Leadership on Apple Podcasts"&gt; Apple Podcasts, Spotify"&gt;Spotify, or any podcast platform.  Listening on a desktop &amp; can’t see the links? Just search for Innovative Legal Leadership in your favorite podcast player.  

As Elon Musk prepares to go toe-to-toe with legal giant Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen &amp; Katz over $90 million in billed fees, this high profile case raises several questions about outcome-based legal fees and how corporate legal teams determine a fair and reasonable price in sourcing their outside counsel.    Did Wachtell overstep in their mad scramble to bill a $60 million premium right before Musk closed his Twitter acquisition? Did the board abdicate their duty to shareholders by not questioning Wachtell’s terms? How will this impact how the legal industry measures the value of legal services in the future? Jim Delkousis chimes in with his thoughts on why Musk’s suit matters to the legal industry, and not necessarily for the primary reasons that it’s making headlines. Join us as we discuss: - 3 big questions the lawsuit raises (3:01) - Justifying ROI and determining market value (8:04) - Who was looking out for Twitter’s best interests (12:56) Check out these resources we mentioned during the podcast: - <a href="https://www.wlrk.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen &amp; Katz"&gt;Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen &amp; Katz</a> Hear more stories by following Innovative Legal Leadership on<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/innovative-legal-leadership/id1561049844" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Apple Podcasts"&gt; Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/38y9ttpYcoeDWbVILtRpIP?si=LfxR-TgnQNWOlkn8CmWUQw" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify"&gt;Spotify</a>, or any podcast platform. Listening on a desktop &amp; can’t see the links? Just search for Innovative Legal Leadership in your favorite podcast player.

Twitter v. Wachtell: A Reckoning for Firm Sourcing?

Mark Gregory

This week we're joined by Mark Gregory"&gt;Mark Gregory, General Counsel &amp; Corporate Affairs Director at Rolls-Royce"&gt;Rolls-Royce   We dive into his career as the longest serving exec at Rolls-Royce and the unique perspective it gives him on how his team, and the industry as a whole, are evolving in response to a rapidly changing marketplace. Mark talks about the historic misalignment of interests between in-house teams and their outside firms and why an ecosystem approach is the only way to fix it.   Mark also shares his take on how AI will help in doing so, as well as how AI and other technologies will empower GCs to be more effective strategic advisors to the business.   Join us as we discuss:   - How stepping outside his comfort zone led him to his current role [14:17] - Bridging the gap between today’s and tomorrow’s lawyers [23:11] - How A.I. and automation will help GCs modernize their function [26:52] - The impact of holding your position through drastic changes like Covid &amp; A.I. [35:23]  Check out these resources we mentioned during the podcast:  - Mark Gregory"&gt;Mark Gregory - Rolls-Royce"&gt;Rolls-Royce  Hear more stories by following Innovative Legal Leadership on Apple Podcasts"&gt; Apple Podcasts, Spotify"&gt;Spotify, or any podcast platform.  Listening on a desktop &amp; can’t see the links? Just search for Innovative Legal Leadership in your favorite podcast player.  

This week we're joined by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-gregory-rr/?originalSubdomain=uk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Mark Gregory"&gt;Mark Gregory</a>, General Counsel &amp; Corporate Affairs Director at <a href="https://www.rolls-royce.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Rolls-Royce"&gt;Rolls-Royce</a> We dive into his career as the longest serving exec at Rolls-Royce and the unique perspective it gives him on how his team, and the industry as a whole, are evolving in response to a rapidly changing marketplace. Mark talks about the historic misalignment of interests between in-house teams and their outside firms and why an ecosystem approach is the only way to fix it. Mark also shares his take on how AI will help in doing so, as well as how AI and other technologies will empower GCs to be more effective strategic advisors to the business. Join us as we discuss:  - How stepping outside his comfort zone led him to his current role [14:17] - Bridging the gap between today’s and tomorrow’s lawyers [23:11] - How A.I. and automation will help GCs modernize their function [26:52] - The impact of holding your position through drastic changes like Covid &amp; A.I. [35:23] Check out these resources we mentioned during the podcast: - <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-gregory-rr/?originalSubdomain=uk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Mark Gregory"&gt;Mark Gregory</a> - <a href="https://www.rolls-royce.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Rolls-Royce"&gt;Rolls-Royce</a> Hear more stories by following Innovative Legal Leadership on<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/innovative-legal-leadership/id1561049844" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Apple Podcasts"&gt; Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/38y9ttpYcoeDWbVILtRpIP?si=LfxR-TgnQNWOlkn8CmWUQw" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify"&gt;Spotify</a>, or any podcast platform. Listening on a desktop &amp; can’t see the links? Just search for Innovative Legal Leadership in your favorite podcast player.

Mark Gregory — Rolls-Royce: Fixing the Legal Ecosystem Using AI

Sarah Flint

Modernizing a large legal department isn’t an easy task.  What’s your strategy?    Buy tech? Build tech? Experiment until something sticks?  This week, we sat down with Sarah Flint"&gt;Sarah Flint, Director of Legal Operations and Technology at HubSpot"&gt;HubSpot to see how it’s being done at one of the world’s biggest CRM companies.  Join us as we discuss:   - Hubspot’s recent wins and challenges in legal ops [8:08] - If legal ops need to come from a legal background [11:47] - What role generative AI has played [15:08] - Forming your ESG Pillars around your company culture[20:27]  A critical part of building for the future of your organization, and tackling changes in AI and ESG is to have the conversation about being aligned with your vendors.  Asking them how they are moving forward and how they can pivot with you and your organization will have the edge as these new developments in AI and ESG continue to evolve.   Hear more stories by following Innovative Legal Leadership on Apple Podcasts"&gt; Apple Podcasts, Spotify"&gt;Spotify, or any podcast platform.  Listening on a desktop &amp; can’t see the links? Just search for Innovative Legal Leadership in your favorite podcast player.  

Modernizing a large legal department isn’t an easy task. What’s your strategy?   Buy tech? Build tech? Experiment until something sticks? This week, we sat down with <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarah-flint-28a1445/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sarah Flint"&gt;Sarah Flint</a>, Director of Legal Operations and Technology at <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/hubspot/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">HubSpot"&gt;HubSpot</a> to see how it’s being done at one of the world’s biggest CRM companies. Join us as we discuss:  - Hubspot’s recent wins and challenges in legal ops [8:08] - If legal ops need to come from a legal background [11:47] - What role generative AI has played [15:08] - Forming your ESG Pillars around your company culture[20:27] A critical part of building for the future of your organization, and tackling changes in AI and ESG is to have the conversation about being aligned with your vendors. Asking them how they are moving forward and how they can pivot with you and your organization will have the edge as these new developments in AI and ESG continue to evolve. Hear more stories by following Innovative Legal Leadership on<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/innovative-legal-leadership/id1561049844" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Apple Podcasts"&gt; Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/38y9ttpYcoeDWbVILtRpIP?si=LfxR-TgnQNWOlkn8CmWUQw" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify"&gt;Spotify</a>, or any podcast platform. Listening on a desktop &amp; can’t see the links? Just search for Innovative Legal Leadership in your favorite podcast player.

Sarah Flint: HubSpot — Embracing AI & ESG in Transformative Legal Operations

Rozan Simoni"&gt;Rozan Simoni spent his early childhood in Albania under a despotic Soviet regime. Soon after the Berlin Wall fell, U.S. Secretary of State Jim Baker came to visit Rozan’s country. The young Albanian boy never forgot two simple words that Baker uttered that day:  “Freedom works.”  Today, as General Counsel and Corporate Secretary - North America at COFCO International"&gt;COFCO International, Rozan is paying it forward by giving his colleagues the autonomy they need to reach their potential.  In this captivating episode, Rozan shares how his journey to the U.S. shaped his outlook on mentorship and why he’s excited about the future of AI innovation in legal.    Join us as we discuss: - Mentorship and giving young lawyers autonomy (5:53) - Leaving a positive impact on internal relationships (17:27) - How AI will allow firms to respond to client needs much faster (26:41)   Hear more stories by following Innovative Legal Leadership on Apple Podcasts"&gt; Apple Podcasts, Spotify"&gt;Spotify, or any podcast platform.  Listening on a desktop &amp; can’t see the links? Just search for Innovative Legal Leadership in your favorite podcast player.  

<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/rozansimoni/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Rozan Simoni"&gt;Rozan Simoni</a> spent his early childhood in Albania under a despotic Soviet regime. Soon after the Berlin Wall fell, U.S. Secretary of State Jim Baker came to visit Rozan’s country. The young Albanian boy never forgot two simple words that Baker uttered that day: “Freedom works.” Today, as General Counsel and Corporate Secretary - North America at <a href="https://www.cofcointernational.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">COFCO International"&gt;COFCO International</a>, Rozan is paying it forward by giving his colleagues the autonomy they need to reach their potential. In this captivating episode, Rozan shares how his journey to the U.S. shaped his outlook on mentorship and why he’s excited about the future of AI innovation in legal.   Join us as we discuss: - Mentorship and giving young lawyers autonomy (5:53) - Leaving a positive impact on internal relationships (17:27) - How AI will allow firms to respond to client needs much faster (26:41) Hear more stories by following Innovative Legal Leadership on<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/innovative-legal-leadership/id1561049844" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Apple Podcasts"&gt; Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/38y9ttpYcoeDWbVILtRpIP?si=LfxR-TgnQNWOlkn8CmWUQw" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify"&gt;Spotify</a>, or any podcast platform. Listening on a desktop &amp; can’t see the links? Just search for Innovative Legal Leadership in your favorite podcast player.

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