Sally Rooney

*** NEW INTRO: Carinn and Kate revisit this episode, their first ever, recorded six months and over 25 episodes ago. Everything after the 45 minute mark is original content unlike anything else out there. We hope you enjoy! Normal People: a slow, deep complicated *** Complicated Woman Rating - what makes Marianne complicated? *** The best scenes with Marianne. The best can mean sweetest, funniest, most badass, most growth. Anything we love. *** The cringiest scenes from Marianne. Cringy scenes make you squirm, but part of being a complicated woman is doing things that feel or come off as cringe-worthy. Sometimes it’s self-sabotage, sometimes it’s growth, but it’s always part of the process of becoming our complicated selves. *** Why Carinn gets in trouble for recommending this book. *** We play arm-chair therapist in What’s Your Damage, Heather? An homage to the iconic line in Winona Rider’s Heathers, we discuss how Marianne got to be who she is today. (37:07) *** We tell you What She Said, the segment where we share some of our favorite first person quotes from Sally Rooney, the author of Normal People. (44:47) *** Gaze into our Crystal Ball. Have you ever wondered where Marianne and Connell ended up after the book was over? We speculate on their status six months later and five years later. Kate gets very real and Carinn gets buck wild. (58:25) *** Kate and Carinn discuss the bliss and the weight of really “being seen”. Is it a mirror showing your true self or is it an anchor that won't let you move on and be free? (65:30) *** Supporting Characters. Which side character did you want more of? Which would you have cut completely? Our answers were Lorraine, Sadie, Lucas and Marianne’s brother, listen to find out where they fell and why. (71:26) *** Takeaways. Carinn says communication isn't always fun, but it's better than getting it as wrong as Marianne and Connell. Kate thinks transformative love has a profound impact on all your other relationships. (74:35) Follow us on Instagram and Facebook @popfictionwomen and on Twitter @pop_women. To do a full deep dive, check out our website at www.popfictionwomen.com Stay Complicated!! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

*** NEW INTRO: Carinn and Kate revisit this episode, their first ever, recorded six months and over 25 episodes ago. Everything after the 45 minute mark is original content unlike anything else out there. We hope you enjoy! Normal People: a slow, deep complicated *** Complicated Woman Rating - what makes Marianne complicated? *** The best scenes with Marianne. The best can mean sweetest, funniest, most badass, most growth. Anything we love. *** The cringiest scenes from Marianne. Cringy scenes make you squirm, but part of being a complicated woman is doing things that feel or come off as cringe-worthy. Sometimes it’s self-sabotage, sometimes it’s growth, but it’s always part of the process of becoming our complicated selves. *** Why Carinn gets in trouble for recommending this book. *** We play arm-chair therapist in What’s Your Damage, Heather? An homage to the iconic line in Winona Rider’s Heathers, we discuss how Marianne got to be who she is today. (37:07) *** We tell you What She Said, the segment where we share some of our favorite first person quotes from Sally Rooney, the author of Normal People. (44:47) *** Gaze into our Crystal Ball. Have you ever wondered where Marianne and Connell ended up after the book was over? We speculate on their status six months later and five years later. Kate gets very real and Carinn gets buck wild. (58:25) *** Kate and Carinn discuss the bliss and the weight of really “being seen”. Is it a mirror showing your true self or is it an anchor that won't let you move on and be free? (65:30) *** Supporting Characters. Which side character did you want more of? Which would you have cut completely? Our answers were Lorraine, Sadie, Lucas and Marianne’s brother, listen to find out where they fell and why. (71:26) *** Takeaways. Carinn says communication isn't always fun, but it's better than getting it as wrong as Marianne and Connell. Kate thinks transformative love has a profound impact on all your other relationships. (74:35) Follow us on Instagram and Facebook @popfictionwomen and on Twitter @pop_women. To do a full deep dive, check out our website at <a href="http://www.popfictionwomen.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">www.popfictionwomen.com</a> Stay Complicated!! See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

Normal People & Sally Rooney

Quick Cap #1 segmentsDare Me Trailer is released We’ve started watching The Morning ShowTaylor Swift Rolling Stone interview How mainstream is astrology?Jessica Knoll has a real Luckiest Girl Alive momentWhy you should be following Chanel Miller on InstagramStay complicated!Links:Dare Me trailer on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voAxyHv2NqcTaylor Swift in Rolling Stone https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/taylor-swift-rolling-stone-interview-880794/Astrology https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/10/28/astrology-in-the-age-of-uncertaintyChanel Miller white pantsuit power post https://www.instagram.com/p/B4nJG0xgXRD/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Quick Cap #1 segments<ul><li>Dare Me Trailer is released </li><li>We’ve started watching The Morning Show</li><li>Taylor Swift Rolling Stone interview </li><li>How mainstream is astrology?</li><li>Jessica Knoll has a real Luckiest Girl Alive moment</li><li>Why you should be following Chanel Miller on Instagram</li></ul>Stay complicated!Links:Dare Me trailer on YouTube <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voAxyHv2Nqc" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voAxyHv2Nqc</a>Taylor Swift in Rolling Stone <a href="https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/taylor-swift-rolling-stone-interview-880794/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/taylor-swift-rolling-stone-interview-880794/</a>Astrology <a href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/10/28/astrology-in-the-age-of-uncertainty" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/10/28/astrology-in-the-age-of-uncertainty</a>Chanel Miller white pantsuit power post <a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/B4nJG0xgXRD/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/p/B4nJG0xgXRD/</a>See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

Quick cap: Taylor Swift, Astrology, Dare Me

Nora Ephron

When Harry Met Sally: more complicated than you thinkComplicated Woman Rating - what makes Sally Albright complicated?Sally’s best scenes. The best can mean sweetest, funniest, most badass, most growth. Anything we love. (6:45)Sally’s cringiest scenes. Cringy scenes make you squirm, but part of being a complicated woman is doing things that feel or come off as cringe-worthy. Sometimes it’s self-sabotage, sometimes it’s growth, but it’s always part of the process of becoming our complicated selves. (38:30)We play arm-chair therapist in What’s Your Damage, Heather? An homage to the iconic line in Winona Rider’s Heathers, we discuss how these characters got to be the way they are. (45:35)We tell you What She Said, the segment where we share some of our favorite first person quotes from Nora Ephron, the screenwriter of WHMS. (53:00)Gaze into our Crystal Ball. Have you ever wondered where Harry and Sally ended up after the movie was over? We speculate on their status six months later and five years later. Kate gets very real and Carinn gets buck wild. (1:05:00)Supporting characters. Here, the best and worst of the married couple interviews and do you even like them? (01:15:00)Takeaway. Kate and Carinn discuss the thin line between love and hate and ponder whether wine drinkers and beer drinkers can ever really be friends. (01:19:00)Stay complicated!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

When Harry Met Sally: more complicated than you think<ul><li>Complicated Woman Rating - what makes Sally Albright complicated?</li><li>Sally’s best scenes. The best can mean sweetest, funniest, most badass, most growth. Anything we love. (6:45)</li><li>Sally’s cringiest scenes. Cringy scenes make you squirm, but part of being a complicated woman is doing things that feel or come off as cringe-worthy. Sometimes it’s self-sabotage, sometimes it’s growth, but it’s always part of the process of becoming our complicated selves. (38:30)</li><li>We play arm-chair therapist in What’s Your Damage, Heather? An homage to the iconic line in Winona Rider’s Heathers, we discuss how these characters got to be the way they are. (45:35)</li><li>We tell you What She Said, the segment where we share some of our favorite first person quotes from Nora Ephron, the screenwriter of WHMS. (53:00)</li><li>Gaze into our Crystal Ball. Have you ever wondered where Harry and Sally ended up after the movie was over? We speculate on their status six months later and five years later. Kate gets very real and Carinn gets buck wild. (1:05:00)</li><li>Supporting characters. Here, the best and worst of the married couple interviews and do you even like them? (01:15:00)</li><li>Takeaway. Kate and Carinn discuss the thin line between love and hate and ponder whether wine drinkers and beer drinkers can ever really be friends. (01:19:00)</li></ul>Stay complicated!See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

'When Harry Met Sally' & Nora Ephron

Emma Thompson

Laura Linney

Martine McCutcheon

Love Actually: love, actually, is complicated and Love Actually is complicated too.A fan favorite but also a critics’ favorite to bash. We face the attacks head on so we can put the cringe behind us and get to the really good stuff. (Starts at 2:06)Is this even a love story? Carinn argues that romance and love are two different things in the context of a relationship. Kate acknowledges that the movie celebrates love and relationships in all different forms, even if there are some depressing or darker aspects explored. In the end, they agree love is certainly all around. (At 14:46)Are there complicated women in Love Actually? Absolutely. Emma Thompson, Laura Linney, a young Keira Knightly, Martine McCutcheon. Enough said. (At 19:05)Best and worst storylines. Carinn plays hopeless romantic as she gushes on the Jamie and Aurelia story (and of course she ties it to a Taylor Swift lyric). Kate cringes at the iconic cue card scene where Mark declares his love for Juliette (“to me you’re perfect”) because, hello, it’s his best friend’s wife. Wtf!? For Kate, the stand-in porn stars may have cutest love story of all. Go figure. (At 35:08)Love is Everywhere. Especially as we listen to Hugh Grant's voice in the infamous opening clip. (At 49:29)  Stay complicated!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Love Actually: love, actually, is complicated and Love Actually is complicated too.<ul><li>A fan favorite but also a critics’ favorite to bash. We face the attacks head on so we can put the cringe behind us and get to the really good stuff. (Starts at 2:06)</li><li>Is this even a love story? Carinn argues that romance and love are two different things in the context of a relationship. Kate acknowledges that the movie celebrates love and relationships in all different forms, even if there are some depressing or darker aspects explored. In the end, they agree love is certainly all around. (At 14:46)</li><li>Are there complicated women in Love Actually? Absolutely. Emma Thompson, Laura Linney, a young Keira Knightly, Martine McCutcheon. Enough said. (At 19:05)</li><li>Best and worst storylines. Carinn plays hopeless romantic as she gushes on the Jamie and Aurelia story (and of course she ties it to a Taylor Swift lyric). Kate cringes at the iconic cue card scene where Mark declares his love for Juliette (“to me you’re perfect”) because, hello, it’s his best friend’s wife. Wtf!? For Kate, the stand-in porn stars may have cutest love story of all. Go figure. (At 35:08)</li><li>Love is Everywhere. Especially as we listen to Hugh Grant's voice in the infamous opening clip. (At 49:29) </li></ul> Stay complicated!See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

'Love Actually' & Emma Thompson & Laura Linney & Martine McCutcheon

Sleeping With Other People: When Harry Met Sally for a new generation **Complicated Woman Rating. What makes Lainey Dalton complicated? Carinn and Kate both agree Lainey is a solid 5 out of 5 rating. She hits all the marks, defying the romcom female lead at every turn. (00:35) **Lainey’s best scenes. It was hard to narrow the list of the best down or to even decide if the same scene was the best or the cringiest, but that’s all part of what makes this complicated (read: amazing!). (6:30) **Lainey and Jake’s first non-date date. Listen to Jake tell Lainey that “little girls are told that someday you’re going to find the one. What they don’t tell you is “the one” might be a complete f^$#ing d!$#head.”(13:43) **Lainey and Jake get into the topic of self-pleasure but Carinn is unsure at first about the new version of Sally’s orgasm scene. (16:35) **It’s going to happen! They are going to get together -- or are they? Kate and Carinn are split on the line: “I love you for free” but you listen to the scene and judge for yourself. (21:25) **This story might be as much about Lainey and Matthew as it is about Lainey and Jake. She confronts Matthew and we are crushed on so many levels. (27:43) **We play arm-chair therapist in What’s Your Damage, Heather? An homage to the iconic line in Winona Rider’s Heathers, we discuss how Lainey got to be the way she is. Clearly she is obsessed with unavailable men. What ARE daddy issues, anyway? (41:16) **We tell you What She Said, the segment where we share some of our favorite first person quotes from Leslye Headland, the writer and director of Sleeping With Other People. Kate pulls some mind-blowing quotes about why we can’t yet, as a culture, understand difficult women. (44:20)  **Gaze into our Crystal Ball. Have you ever wondered where Lainey and Jake ended up after the movie was over? Kate uncharacteristically goes dark on her prediction for five years out, but Carinn brings them back to the light. (54:16) **Takeaway. Carinn reminds us that love is a choice, but it’s so worth it. Kate agrees but thinks timing is everything and sometimes you have to be patient to get the payoff. (58:50) Stay Complicated! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Sleeping With Other People: When Harry Met Sally for a new generation **Complicated Woman Rating. What makes Lainey Dalton complicated? Carinn and Kate both agree Lainey is a solid 5 out of 5 rating. She hits all the marks, defying the romcom female lead at every turn. (00:35) **Lainey’s best scenes. It was hard to narrow the list of the best down or to even decide if the same scene was the best or the cringiest, but that’s all part of what makes this complicated (read: amazing!). (6:30) **Lainey and Jake’s first non-date date. Listen to Jake tell Lainey that “little girls are told that someday you’re going to find the one. What they don’t tell you is “the one” might be a complete f^$#ing d!$#head.”(13:43) **Lainey and Jake get into the topic of self-pleasure but Carinn is unsure at first about the new version of Sally’s orgasm scene. (16:35) **It’s going to happen! They are going to get together -- or are they? Kate and Carinn are split on the line: “I love you for free” but you listen to the scene and judge for yourself. (21:25) **This story might be as much about Lainey and Matthew as it is about Lainey and Jake. She confronts Matthew and we are crushed on so many levels. (27:43) **We play arm-chair therapist in What’s Your Damage, Heather? An homage to the iconic line in Winona Rider’s Heathers, we discuss how Lainey got to be the way she is. Clearly she is obsessed with unavailable men. What ARE daddy issues, anyway? (41:16) **We tell you What She Said, the segment where we share some of our favorite first person quotes from Leslye Headland, the writer and director of Sleeping With Other People. Kate pulls some mind-blowing quotes about why we can’t yet, as a culture, understand difficult women. (44:20)  **Gaze into our Crystal Ball. Have you ever wondered where Lainey and Jake ended up after the movie was over? Kate uncharacteristically goes dark on her prediction for five years out, but Carinn brings them back to the light. (54:16) **Takeaway. Carinn reminds us that love is a choice, but it’s so worth it. Kate agrees but thinks timing is everything and sometimes you have to be patient to get the payoff. (58:50) Stay Complicated! See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

'Sleeping With Other People' & Leslye Headland

Jennifer Nettles

Reese Witherspoon

Quick Cap #2 SegmentsUpdates from Quick Cap #1: Good news -- Carinn actually likes wine! (starts at :20)Bad news -- Carinn confirmed our worst fear: that astrology is apparently not mainstream. Say it isn’t so! (at 3:20)Casting For Daisy Jones and the Six has been announced and it’s sooo perfect. (at 7:45)The Morning Show (and Billy Crudup) still has our attention. (at 11:05)We discuss Reese Witherspoon playing against type with Bradley Jackson of The Morning Show. Was this a wrong choice or is her performance the vision all women need right now? (at 14:10)Lots of complicated ladies lead the Grammy nominations...Lizzo, Billie Eilish, Ariana Grande, and more! (at 21:14)Jennifer Nettles makes a bold statement for women at the Country Music Awards (at 22:03)Carinn &amp; Kate love declaring a theme song for their lives and they reminisce about a few of them including Kesha, Bleachers and the theme from Sesame Street (at 30:30)Stay Complicated!Links:See Complete List of Grammy Nominees here:https://www.grammy.com/grammys/news/2020-grammy-awards-complete-nominees-listSee Jennifer Nettles dress here:https://people.com/style/cmas-2019-jennifer-nettles-statement-dress/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Quick Cap #2 Segments<ul><li>Updates from Quick Cap #1: </li><li>Good news -- Carinn actually likes wine! (starts at :20)</li><li>Bad news -- Carinn confirmed our worst fear: that astrology is apparently not mainstream. Say it isn’t so! (at 3:20)</li><li>Casting For Daisy Jones and the Six has been announced and it’s sooo perfect. (at 7:45)</li><li>The Morning Show (and Billy Crudup) still has our attention. (at 11:05)</li><li>We discuss Reese Witherspoon playing against type with Bradley Jackson of The Morning Show. Was this a wrong choice or is her performance the vision all women need right now? (at 14:10)</li><li>Lots of complicated ladies lead the Grammy nominations...Lizzo, Billie Eilish, Ariana Grande, and more! (at 21:14)</li><li>Jennifer Nettles makes a bold statement for women at the Country Music Awards (at 22:03)</li><li>Carinn &amp; Kate love declaring a theme song for their lives and they reminisce about a few of them including Kesha, Bleachers and the theme from Sesame Street (at 30:30)</li></ul>Stay Complicated!Links:See Complete List of Grammy Nominees here:<a href="https://www.grammy.com/grammys/news/2020-grammy-awards-complete-nominees-list" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.grammy.com/grammys/news/2020-grammy-awards-complete-nominees-list</a>See Jennifer Nettles dress here:<a href="https://people.com/style/cmas-2019-jennifer-nettles-statement-dress/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://people.com/style/cmas-2019-jennifer-nettles-statement-dress/</a>See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

Quick Cap 2: Rocking Out and Rocking the Boat (Jennifer Nettles and Reese Witherspoon)

Phoebe Waller-Bridge

Fleabag Season One: the most complicated of all. **Fleabag is the most complex woman we've come across, the epitome of the modern complicated woman. Kate asserts that no one asks so much of us in terms of what we are willing to accept or tolerate in a character. (00:30). **We unpack Fleabag's crazy complicated relationships -- Godmother (6:30), Father (13:00), Hot arsehole guy (18:08), The Loan Guy (25:30), Claire (29:50), Boo (35:42) **What's Your Damage, Heather? For Fleabag, there's a lot of it. (41:10) **What She Said (43:50). The rabbit hole took us deep with Phoebe Waller-Bridge, who gives great interviews with so much openness and insight. We start with the narrative structure of Fleabag. **Carinn tells a very personal story about how Phoebe made her rethink some of the things she's said about motherhood. Can't imagine how this ties in to Fleabag? (50:36) (and note that tib-BU = taboo in Carinn's bad British accent). **Kate highlights PWB's fascination with female rage (56:56). And do you know the fate of the cafe's guinea pig in her one woman show? (1:00:04) **Supporting Characters. We want more of Claire, less of Jake but we also have two very surprising picks that excited both of us. (1:02:07). **Takeaways (1:10:05). Fleabag confirmed for Carinn that "art should comfort the disturbed and disturb the comfortable" and Kate found an unexpected role model in one of the characters. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Fleabag Season One: the most complicated of all. **Fleabag is the most complex woman we've come across, the epitome of the modern complicated woman. Kate asserts that no one asks so much of us in terms of what we are willing to accept or tolerate in a character. (00:30). **We unpack Fleabag's crazy complicated relationships -- Godmother (6:30), Father (13:00), Hot arsehole guy (18:08), The Loan Guy (25:30), Claire (29:50), Boo (35:42) **What's Your Damage, Heather? For Fleabag, there's a lot of it. (41:10) **What She Said (43:50). The rabbit hole took us deep with Phoebe Waller-Bridge, who gives great interviews with so much openness and insight. We start with the narrative structure of Fleabag. **Carinn tells a very personal story about how Phoebe made her rethink some of the things she's said about motherhood. Can't imagine how this ties in to Fleabag? (50:36) (and note that tib-BU = taboo in Carinn's bad British accent). **Kate highlights PWB's fascination with female rage (56:56). And do you know the fate of the cafe's guinea pig in her one woman show? (1:00:04) **Supporting Characters. We want more of Claire, less of Jake but we also have two very surprising picks that excited both of us. (1:02:07). **Takeaways (1:10:05). Fleabag confirmed for Carinn that "art should comfort the disturbed and disturb the comfortable" and Kate found an unexpected role model in one of the characters. See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

'Fleabag' Season One & Phoebe Waller-Bridge

Quick Cap #3: Coming in HOTIn this episode we shake it up a bit...we talk about anger and rage and snubs and poor choices then we bring it back to love and marriage and relationships. Come along for the ride.Female rage was a big part of the last decade of literature and fiction. Can it be useful, bring clarity and then harnessed for change? Hell yes. (Starts at :54)Movies that make us rage: Like a Boss and Bombshell. Both movies have massive female talent and star power involved, but both are written and directed by men. How does this still happen? Where are the womens’ perspectives? (8:58)Golden Globe nominations snub female directors, yet again. Only 5 women have been nominated for best director in the 77-year history of the Golden Globes. The Oscars are no better. Why is this? What can be done to flip the script? (18:20)Ironically, the series finale of The Affair sparks so many thoughts about love and marriage (no spoilers). (25:54)At Whitney's wedding, Noah tells his son that a woman being "a lot" means she's passionate and interesting, the kind of woman you can spend a lifetime with. (27:45)Helen and Whitney argue whether marriage should be the great adventure of one's life, then Carinn and Kate pick up the debate themselves. (31:30) Stay Complicated!Links:https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/24/books/women-writers-rage.html?fbclid=IwAR0jXdebDk87LQWQMAaFAgbPNowjNjC7Jzo9Mzh7OatMXD3sB1lm7x9RbjYhttps://www.wmagazine.com/story/nicole-kidman-margot-robbie-charlize-theron-bombshell-interviewSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Quick Cap #3: Coming in HOTIn this episode we shake it up a bit...we talk about anger and rage and snubs and poor choices then we bring it back to love and marriage and relationships. Come along for the ride.<ul><li>Female rage was a big part of the last decade of literature and fiction. Can it be useful, bring clarity and then harnessed for change? Hell yes. (Starts at :54)</li><li>Movies that make us rage: Like a Boss and Bombshell. Both movies have massive female talent and star power involved, but both are written and directed by men. How does this still happen? Where are the womens’ perspectives? (8:58)</li><li>Golden Globe nominations snub female directors, yet again. Only 5 women have been nominated for best director in the 77-year history of the Golden Globes. The Oscars are no better. Why is this? What can be done to flip the script? (18:20)</li><li>Ironically, the series finale of The Affair sparks so many thoughts about love and marriage (no spoilers). (25:54)</li><li>At Whitney's wedding, Noah tells his son that a woman being "a lot" means she's passionate and interesting, the kind of woman you can spend a lifetime with. (27:45)</li><li>Helen and Whitney argue whether marriage should be the great adventure of one's life, then Carinn and Kate pick up the debate themselves. (31:30) </li></ul>Stay Complicated!Links:<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/24/books/women-writers-rage.html?fbclid=IwAR0jXdebDk87LQWQMAaFAgbPNowjNjC7Jzo9Mzh7OatMXD3sB1lm7x9RbjY" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/24/books/women-writers-rage.html?fbclid=IwAR0jXdebDk87LQWQMAaFAgbPNowjNjC7Jzo9Mzh7OatMXD3sB1lm7x9RbjY</a><a href="https://www.wmagazine.com/story/nicole-kidman-margot-robbie-charlize-theron-bombshell-interview" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.wmagazine.com/story/nicole-kidman-margot-robbie-charlize-theron-bombshell-interview</a>See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

Quick Cap #3: The Decade In Female Rage, Lack of Women Directors, The Affair Ends With Love and Marriage

Taylor Jenkins Reid

Daisy Jones and The Six by Taylor Jenkins Reid: Women Who Rock **Our Complicated Woman. Daisy Jones is certainly nobody’s muse, and while she hits all the marks of a complicated woman, we can’t always feel her conflict as much as we would like. Do we really know Daisy or is it that she doesn’t even know herself? Or is it a limitation of the unique oral history, transcript-style structure? (Starts at 01:22) **The Daisy-Camila-Billy Love Triangle. Carinn thinks Daisy doesn't stand a chance against Camila, even with the rocky patches of her marriage with Billy. Listen to hear how parts of their story were inspired by Beyoncé’s Lemonade album. (13:47) **Daisy &amp; Billy: Is it a love story? Daisy is certainly in love with Billy, but does it go both ways? Carinn argues that Billy doesn’t love Daisy in any definition of the word while Kate sees a real connection between them, a passion akin to Bradley Cooper &amp; Lady Gaga or Lindsey Buckinham &amp; Stevie Nicks. (18:43)  **We play arm-chair therapist in What’s Your Damage, Heather? An homage to the iconic line in Winona Rider’s Heathers, we discuss how Daisy got to be the way she is. Clearly Daisy was neglected by her parents, always striving to find a place to belong and a meaningful connection. Daisy fills the void with drugs and alcohol, telling us that “I had all the things you can see and none of the things you can’t.” (33:33) **We tell you What She Said, the segment where we share some of our favorite first person quotes from Taylor Jenkins Reid, the author of Daisy Jones &amp; The Six. Carinn shares Taylor Jenkins Reid’s passion for capturing what it feels like to love from so many different perspectives. (37:10) **Kate pulls the perfect Taylor Jenkins Reid quote for this podcast about the depiction of complicated women in fiction and the need for our society to take female-driven content more seriously. Carinn argues that the critical thinking on these projects needs to shift away from men and we assure Taylor that we hear her and we're on it! (41:26)  **Author or Songwriter, but both, really? Kate is beyond impressed that Taylor Jenkins Reid not only writes about music so vividly, but actually wrote the lyrics to the entire Aurora album. Kate gets personal, confessing that when she wrote her novel it involved a songwriter and when it came time to write the lyrics for just a verse she had a total panic attack. Meanwhile, Taylor Jenkins Reid’s book is not just being turned into a TV show, but it will also have an accompanying album. (44:35) **We talk ambition. Carinn shares that Taylor Jenkins Reid’s biggest surprise on her career path has been the scope of her ambition. We’re inspired by her continual drive to push herself and by a women who proudly owns the fact that she wants more for herself. (46:55) **Gaze into our Crystal Ball. Taylor Jenkins Reid provides us a look decades into the future, but we debate whether Billy reaches out to Daisy after Camila dies. Carinn doesn't see a future love story that picks up where they left off, but Kate convinces her that Billy and Daisy could start anew (48:40)  **Takeaway. Using a quote from Karen, Carinn posits that love between two people is really found in the opposites, the ways two people are different. Kate wonders whether if she could ever be as good, and trusting, and dogged in her faith in another as Camila. They both agree that Daisy is the engine of this book, but Camila is the heart. (54:55) Stay Complicated! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Daisy Jones and The Six by Taylor Jenkins Reid: Women Who Rock **Our Complicated Woman. Daisy Jones is certainly nobody’s muse, and while she hits all the marks of a complicated woman, we can’t always feel her conflict as much as we would like. Do we really know Daisy or is it that she doesn’t even know herself? Or is it a limitation of the unique oral history, transcript-style structure? (Starts at 01:22) **The Daisy-Camila-Billy Love Triangle. Carinn thinks Daisy doesn't stand a chance against Camila, even with the rocky patches of her marriage with Billy. Listen to hear how parts of their story were inspired by Beyoncé’s Lemonade album. (13:47) **Daisy &amp; Billy: Is it a love story? Daisy is certainly in love with Billy, but does it go both ways? Carinn argues that Billy doesn’t love Daisy in any definition of the word while Kate sees a real connection between them, a passion akin to Bradley Cooper &amp; Lady Gaga or Lindsey Buckinham &amp; Stevie Nicks. (18:43)  **We play arm-chair therapist in What’s Your Damage, Heather? An homage to the iconic line in Winona Rider’s Heathers, we discuss how Daisy got to be the way she is. Clearly Daisy was neglected by her parents, always striving to find a place to belong and a meaningful connection. Daisy fills the void with drugs and alcohol, telling us that “I had all the things you can see and none of the things you can’t.” (33:33) **We tell you What She Said, the segment where we share some of our favorite first person quotes from Taylor Jenkins Reid, the author of Daisy Jones &amp; The Six. Carinn shares Taylor Jenkins Reid’s passion for capturing what it feels like to love from so many different perspectives. (37:10) **Kate pulls the perfect Taylor Jenkins Reid quote for this podcast about the depiction of complicated women in fiction and the need for our society to take female-driven content more seriously. Carinn argues that the critical thinking on these projects needs to shift away from men and we assure Taylor that we hear her and we're on it! (41:26)  **Author or Songwriter, but both, really? Kate is beyond impressed that Taylor Jenkins Reid not only writes about music so vividly, but actually wrote the lyrics to the entire Aurora album. Kate gets personal, confessing that when she wrote her novel it involved a songwriter and when it came time to write the lyrics for just a verse she had a total panic attack. Meanwhile, Taylor Jenkins Reid’s book is not just being turned into a TV show, but it will also have an accompanying album. (44:35) **We talk ambition. Carinn shares that Taylor Jenkins Reid’s biggest surprise on her career path has been the scope of her ambition. We’re inspired by her continual drive to push herself and by a women who proudly owns the fact that she wants more for herself. (46:55) **Gaze into our Crystal Ball. Taylor Jenkins Reid provides us a look decades into the future, but we debate whether Billy reaches out to Daisy after Camila dies. Carinn doesn't see a future love story that picks up where they left off, but Kate convinces her that Billy and Daisy could start anew (48:40)  **Takeaway. Using a quote from Karen, Carinn posits that love between two people is really found in the opposites, the ways two people are different. Kate wonders whether if she could ever be as good, and trusting, and dogged in her faith in another as Camila. They both agree that Daisy is the engine of this book, but Camila is the heart. (54:55) Stay Complicated! See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

'Daisy Jones and the Six' & Taylor Jenkins Reid

Ali Wong

Always Be My Maybe &amp; Ali Wong: complicated with role reversals **Pick Me!: We provide a refresher on the criteria we use to pick our media: 1) must feature a complicated woman; 2) has to be written by or directed by a woman (this movie is a rare gem that passes on both) and apparently an unofficial third category that it has to be a version of When Harry Met Sally! (01:30) **Complicated Woman Rating. Sasha Tran, is she really complicated? Carinn isn’t feeling her inner conflict, but Kate is all in. (8:50) **The Grand Gesture Speech: Sasha. Breaking with traditional romcom structure, Sasha, the woman, makes the Big Speech first, telling Marcus while she loves him as he is, but that he needs to do the same and accept her life and her success. (18:02) **The Grand Gesture Speech: Marcus. After dealing with his own issues and personal growth, Marcus can profess his love to Sasha. He’s finally ready to “hold her purse.” Yet again, Carinn &amp; Kate compare this to Harry and Sally and come out in different ways (21:46) **Hello Peril &amp; Keanu Reeves: Kate loves any scene with Marcus’ band and Carinn can’t get enough of Keanu Reeves' meta performance. (25:55) **We play arm-chair therapist in What’s Your Damage, Heather? An homage to the iconic line in Winona Rider’s Heathers, we discuss how Sasha got to be the way she is. Clearly Sasha was neglected by her parents growing up; they were always working and leaving her alone. She can’t sit still, fills her life with awards, deals and unavailable men. But does she really deal with this and evolve by the end? (28:52) **We tell you What She Said, the segment where we share some of our favorite first person quotes from Ali Wong, comedian and co-writer of Always Be My Maybe. **Carinn and Kate crush hard on her stand-up comedy specials for Netflix, Baby Cobra and Hard Knock Life. (33:00) **Carinn loves Wong’s candid talks about sex and relationships in her stand-up, but especially appreciates her jokes about cultural identity. (34:41) **Kate loves Wong’s response to a question about how she deals with being a stand up comic who is Asian and also female: shift your perspective, use your differences to your advantage. She also loves her comedic bits on being the breadwinner in her marriage. (37:10) **Speaking of her marriage, Carinn shares a touching, thoughtful, and of course funny, message from Wong’s Instagram page to her husband, which Carinn thinks is the ultimate compliment (40:06) **Gaze into our Crystal Ball. As usual, Carinn’s creativity shines through, essentially writing Always Be My Maybe Part 2, with Marcus becoming a mess of a rock star paralyzed by fame during his Hello Peril stadium tour, only to be saved by Sasha who has now experienced some failure of her own. Kate foretells an even bigger cooking empire for Sasha, including a Food Network gig and a multi-book cookbook deal. (41:25) **Takeaway. Carinn values Sasha not as a complicated woman, but for showing the complicated woman’s fantasy. Kate muses on the trouble with being truly seen by another in a relationship before you see yourself clearly. (51:30) Stay Complicated! Follow us on Instagram and Facebook @popfictionwomen and on Twitter @pop_women. To do a full deep dive, check out our website at www.popfictionwomen.com See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Always Be My Maybe &amp; Ali Wong: complicated with role reversals **Pick Me!: We provide a refresher on the criteria we use to pick our media: 1) must feature a complicated woman; 2) has to be written by or directed by a woman (this movie is a rare gem that passes on both) and apparently an unofficial third category that it has to be a version of When Harry Met Sally! (01:30) **Complicated Woman Rating. Sasha Tran, is she really complicated? Carinn isn’t feeling her inner conflict, but Kate is all in. (8:50) **The Grand Gesture Speech: Sasha. Breaking with traditional romcom structure, Sasha, the woman, makes the Big Speech first, telling Marcus while she loves him as he is, but that he needs to do the same and accept her life and her success. (18:02) **The Grand Gesture Speech: Marcus. After dealing with his own issues and personal growth, Marcus can profess his love to Sasha. He’s finally ready to “hold her purse.” Yet again, Carinn &amp; Kate compare this to Harry and Sally and come out in different ways (21:46) **Hello Peril &amp; Keanu Reeves: Kate loves any scene with Marcus’ band and Carinn can’t get enough of Keanu Reeves' meta performance. (25:55) **We play arm-chair therapist in What’s Your Damage, Heather? An homage to the iconic line in Winona Rider’s Heathers, we discuss how Sasha got to be the way she is. Clearly Sasha was neglected by her parents growing up; they were always working and leaving her alone. She can’t sit still, fills her life with awards, deals and unavailable men. But does she really deal with this and evolve by the end? (28:52) **We tell you What She Said, the segment where we share some of our favorite first person quotes from Ali Wong, comedian and co-writer of Always Be My Maybe. **Carinn and Kate crush hard on her stand-up comedy specials for Netflix, Baby Cobra and Hard Knock Life. (33:00) **Carinn loves Wong’s candid talks about sex and relationships in her stand-up, but especially appreciates her jokes about cultural identity. (34:41) **Kate loves Wong’s response to a question about how she deals with being a stand up comic who is Asian and also female: shift your perspective, use your differences to your advantage. She also loves her comedic bits on being the breadwinner in her marriage. (37:10) **Speaking of her marriage, Carinn shares a touching, thoughtful, and of course funny, message from Wong’s Instagram page to her husband, which Carinn thinks is the ultimate compliment (40:06) **Gaze into our Crystal Ball. As usual, Carinn’s creativity shines through, essentially writing Always Be My Maybe Part 2, with Marcus becoming a mess of a rock star paralyzed by fame during his Hello Peril stadium tour, only to be saved by Sasha who has now experienced some failure of her own. Kate foretells an even bigger cooking empire for Sasha, including a Food Network gig and a multi-book cookbook deal. (41:25) **Takeaway. Carinn values Sasha not as a complicated woman, but for showing the complicated woman’s fantasy. Kate muses on the trouble with being truly seen by another in a relationship before you see yourself clearly. (51:30) Stay Complicated! Follow us on Instagram and Facebook @popfictionwomen and on Twitter @pop_women. To do a full deep dive, check out our website at <a href="http://www.popfictionwomen.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.popfictionwomen.com</a> See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

'Always Be My Maybe' & Ali Wong

In Pop Fiction Women we deep-dive into the complicated women of books, movies and TV shows, along with the women that bring them to life behind the scenes. Think Fleabag and Phoebe Waller Bridge, Normal People and Sally Rooney, and so much more.In each episode you can expect us to:* Break down the protagonist as we ask what makes her complicated?* Identify the best scenes, which can mean sweetest, funniest, or most badass. Anything we love.* Recount the cringiest scenes. The ones that make you squirm. Sometimes it’s self-sabotage, sometimes it’s growth, but it’s always part of the process of becoming our complicated selves.* Play arm-chair therapist in What’s Your Damage, Heather? An homage to the iconic line in Winona Rider’s Heathers, we discuss how these characters got to be the way they are.* “What She Said” - the segment where we scour every essay and interview with the women behind the scenes and share some of our favorite first person quotes. Real life is as interesting as fiction here.* Look into our crystal ball and ponder where these characters are six months later and five years later. Typically, Kate gets very real and Carinn gets buck wild.* Provide a takeaway, aka that part in the podcast where we try to sound deep. We leave you with some parting wisdom, challenge each other with thought-provoking questions inspired by the work, and urge you to “stay complicated.”

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In Pop Fiction Women we deep-dive into the complicated women of books, movies and TV shows, along with the women that bring them to life behind the scenes. Think Fleabag and Phoebe Waller Bridge, Normal People and Sally Rooney, and so much more. In each episode you can expect us to: * Break down the protagonist as we ask what makes her complicated? * Identify the best scenes, which can mean sweetest, funniest, or most badass. Anything we love. * Recount the cringiest scenes. The ones that make you squirm. Sometimes it’s self-sabotage, sometimes it’s growth, but it’s always part of the process of becoming our complicated selves. * Play arm-chair therapist in What’s Your Damage, Heather? An homage to the iconic line in Winona Rider’s Heathers, we discuss how these characters got to be the way they are. * “What She Said” - the segment where we scour every essay and interview with the women behind the scenes and share some of our favorite first person quotes. Real life is as interesting as fiction here. * Look into our crystal ball and ponder where these characters are six months later and five years later. Typically, Kate gets very real and Carinn gets buck wild. * Provide a takeaway, aka that part in the podcast where we try to sound deep. We leave you with some parting wisdom, challenge each other with thought-provoking questions inspired by the work, and urge you to “stay complicated.”

Pop Fiction Women

Liz Feldman

Linda Cardellini

Christina Applegate

**Complicated Woman Rating (Jen &amp; Judy) Kate unpacks the many layers of grieving widow Jen, including her defining characteristic: anger. Carinn describes Judy a liar and a murderer, but acknowledges her other positive attributes, particularly as she relates to Jen. Both agree these two women are complicated and that their friendship is the heart of this show. (01:38) **Jen or Judy - who do we relate to more? Kate declares “it’s not even close” -- she feels like she's all Jen. Carinn relates to Jen’s anger (as we'll hear first hand later!) but notes that we each have a little Judy in us. (10:56) **Conflict is all around. Carinn observes that conflict is present in every element of this show: the characters, the setting, and the music. The cinematography and setting create brilliant visual tension. The music is also another level of conflict: dark scenes and content being narrated by old-fashioned upbeat songs. (16:11) **Scenes: love, lies, and manslaughter Kate discusses the pilot episode’s many plot reveals and reversals, including when Jen discovers that Judy is lying and Steve is not actually dead and that Judy is the one that killed Jen’s husband, Ted (19:09);  The episode on Ted’s birthday/celebration of life was full of surprises, but Carinn especially loves the tension of the notes in the balloons and what might be revealed, including Ted’s affair (27:58);  Kate recounts the scene where Jen and Judy confront Ted’s mistress and how the two of them help each other with their respective relationship issues, but in the end Carinn is pissed at Judy’s selfish reveal to Jen that Ted killed her to his mistress (32:33);  Carinn talks about the Friends of Heaven retreat, which brings poignant empathy for Judy who struggles with whether she is “broken” in the miscarriage workshop scene and shows another example of something that could only have been written by a woman (42:32);  Kate loves the scene where Jen finally confesses to Judy, which is more than just Judy finally coming clean, it turns out to be one of the most vulnerable scenes for Jen (49:08);  Carinn brings it home with a discussion of the finale when Jen evens the score as Steve floats face down in the pool. (53:53)  **What She Said - Liz Feldman. Kate reveals why Liz Feldman leaned into Jen’s anger, which turned out to be more than likable - it’s completely relatable. Carinn talks about a quote on Liz Feldman’s duality, which is so present in Jen and Judy, concluding that tapping into one’s duality is where the magic happens. (57:28) **Crystal ball. Carinn and Kate speculate about what’s coming for Jen &amp; Judy in Season Two, which will be released soon. (70:41) **Takeaways. Kate’s takeaway comes from another Liz Feldman quote about the secret to creating something authentic: find your wound and then try to find a way to express it. Carinn’s takeaway shines a light on friends and creative partners who act as mirrors, reminding you of who you are and who you've always been...like US! (75:50)  Follow us on Instagram and Facebook @popfictionwomen and on Twitter @pop_women. Email us at cjadebarry [at] gmail. To do a full deep dive, check out our website at www.popfictionwomen.com Stay Complicated! Subscribe or follow for new episodes every Wednesday See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

**Complicated Woman Rating (Jen &amp; Judy) Kate unpacks the many layers of grieving widow Jen, including her defining characteristic: anger. Carinn describes Judy a liar and a murderer, but acknowledges her other positive attributes, particularly as she relates to Jen. Both agree these two women are complicated and that their friendship is the heart of this show. (01:38) **Jen or Judy - who do we relate to more? Kate declares “it’s not even close” -- she feels like she's all Jen. Carinn relates to Jen’s anger (as we'll hear first hand later!) but notes that we each have a little Judy in us. (10:56) **Conflict is all around. Carinn observes that conflict is present in every element of this show: the characters, the setting, and the music. The cinematography and setting create brilliant visual tension. The music is also another level of conflict: dark scenes and content being narrated by old-fashioned upbeat songs. (16:11) **Scenes: love, lies, and manslaughter Kate discusses the pilot episode’s many plot reveals and reversals, including when Jen discovers that Judy is lying and Steve is not actually dead and that Judy is the one that killed Jen’s husband, Ted (19:09); The episode on Ted’s birthday/celebration of life was full of surprises, but Carinn especially loves the tension of the notes in the balloons and what might be revealed, including Ted’s affair (27:58); Kate recounts the scene where Jen and Judy confront Ted’s mistress and how the two of them help each other with their respective relationship issues, but in the end Carinn is pissed at Judy’s selfish reveal to Jen that Ted killed her to his mistress (32:33); Carinn talks about the Friends of Heaven retreat, which brings poignant empathy for Judy who struggles with whether she is “broken” in the miscarriage workshop scene and shows another example of something that could only have been written by a woman (42:32); Kate loves the scene where Jen finally confesses to Judy, which is more than just Judy finally coming clean, it turns out to be one of the most vulnerable scenes for Jen (49:08); Carinn brings it home with a discussion of the finale when Jen evens the score as Steve floats face down in the pool. (53:53)  **What She Said - Liz Feldman. Kate reveals why Liz Feldman leaned into Jen’s anger, which turned out to be more than likable - it’s completely relatable. Carinn talks about a quote on Liz Feldman’s duality, which is so present in Jen and Judy, concluding that tapping into one’s duality is where the magic happens. (57:28) **Crystal ball. Carinn and Kate speculate about what’s coming for Jen &amp; Judy in Season Two, which will be released soon. (70:41) **Takeaways. Kate’s takeaway comes from another Liz Feldman quote about the secret to creating something authentic: find your wound and then try to find a way to express it. Carinn’s takeaway shines a light on friends and creative partners who act as mirrors, reminding you of who you are and who you've always been...like US! (75:50)  Follow us on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/popfictionwomen/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Instagram</a> and <a href="https://www.facebook.com/popfictionwomen/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Facebook</a> @popfictionwomen and on Twitter @pop_women. Email us at cjadebarry [at] gmail. To do a full deep dive, check out our website at <a href="http://www.popfictionwomen.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">www.popfictionwomen.com</a> Stay Complicated! Subscribe or follow for new episodes every Wednesday See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

'Dead To Me' Season 1 & Liz Feldman, on Netflix with Christina Applegate and Linda Cardellini

Fleabag Season Two &amp; Phoebe Waller-Bridge: complicated in love **Complicated Woman: Fleabag. Our most complicated woman is back and we're unpacking the differences in Fleabag between the two seasons. Carinn and Kate surprisingly disagree on which version of Fleabag was closest to irredeemable. (01:59) and more at (48:56) **We check on Fleabag's relationship growth from season one. Godmother (08:24), Father, (11:04), Claire (16:11) **Meet the Priest. Every scene between Phoebe Waller-Bridge and Andrew Scott is electric, but we discuss a few of the most significant in Season Two. (26:33) **Feelings and the fox. Kate believes the most pivotal scene between Fleabag and Priest is in Episode 3. The fox seems to be a stand in for the priest conflicted feelings about celibacy and for Fleabag. When Fleabag turns to speak to the camera in her classic breaking of the fourth wall, the priest calls her out on it. He is literally the first person to actually SEE her. (27:25) **The Confessional Scene. Oh. My... you know the rest. (36:09) **The Wedding/Homily. The fox, the Alabama Shakes song, the sly and sad waive Fleabag gives to the camera: perfection. Love feels like hope. (44:40) **Things get heated. Between the Priest and Fleabag -- and Carinn and Kate!!! -- as they debate alcoholism, whether the end justifies the means and who had more responsibility in the bad choices that lead to the one fateful night between Priest and Fleabag. (48:56) **We play arm-chair therapist in What’s Your Damage, Heather? An homage to the iconic line in Winona Rider’s Heathers. Has Fleabag evolved from a “girl with no friends and an empty heart” to a woman in love? Can she ever learn to kneel? (63:47) **We tell you What She Said, the segment where we share some of our favorite first person quotes from Phoebe Waller-Bridge. **Kate shares a startling quote about how Phoebe-Waller Bridge wrote the part of Fleabag so she wouldn’t actually become her. (75:10) **Carinn shares a quote about Phoebe Waller-Bridge’s process, her enviable ability to throw it all away and the various places she finds inspiration that can unlock it all. (78:08) **Takeaways. Fleabag tells us at the outset that this is a love story, but there are so many including those of self-love. (87:50) Stay Complicated! Follow us on Instagram and Facebook @popfictionwomen and on Twitter @pop_women. To do a full deep dive, check out our website at www.popfictionwomen.com See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Fleabag Season Two &amp; Phoebe Waller-Bridge: complicated in love **Complicated Woman: Fleabag. Our most complicated woman is back and we're unpacking the differences in Fleabag between the two seasons. Carinn and Kate surprisingly disagree on which version of Fleabag was closest to irredeemable. (01:59) and more at (48:56) **We check on Fleabag's relationship growth from season one. Godmother (08:24), Father, (11:04), Claire (16:11) **Meet the Priest. Every scene between Phoebe Waller-Bridge and Andrew Scott is electric, but we discuss a few of the most significant in Season Two. (26:33) **Feelings and the fox. Kate believes the most pivotal scene between Fleabag and Priest is in Episode 3. The fox seems to be a stand in for the priest conflicted feelings about celibacy and for Fleabag. When Fleabag turns to speak to the camera in her classic breaking of the fourth wall, the priest calls her out on it. He is literally the first person to actually SEE her. (27:25) **The Confessional Scene. Oh. My... you know the rest. (36:09) **The Wedding/Homily. The fox, the Alabama Shakes song, the sly and sad waive Fleabag gives to the camera: perfection. Love feels like hope. (44:40) **Things get heated. Between the Priest and Fleabag -- and Carinn and Kate!!! -- as they debate alcoholism, whether the end justifies the means and who had more responsibility in the bad choices that lead to the one fateful night between Priest and Fleabag. (48:56) **We play arm-chair therapist in What’s Your Damage, Heather? An homage to the iconic line in Winona Rider’s Heathers. Has Fleabag evolved from a “girl with no friends and an empty heart” to a woman in love? Can she ever learn to kneel? (63:47) **We tell you What She Said, the segment where we share some of our favorite first person quotes from Phoebe Waller-Bridge. **Kate shares a startling quote about how Phoebe-Waller Bridge wrote the part of Fleabag so she wouldn’t actually become her. (75:10) **Carinn shares a quote about Phoebe Waller-Bridge’s process, her enviable ability to throw it all away and the various places she finds inspiration that can unlock it all. (78:08) **Takeaways. Fleabag tells us at the outset that this is a love story, but there are so many including those of self-love. (87:50) Stay Complicated! Follow us on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/popfictionwomen/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Instagram</a> and <a href="https://www.facebook.com/popfictionwomen/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Facebook</a> @popfictionwomen and on Twitter @pop_women. To do a full deep dive, check out our website at <a href="http://www.popfictionwomen.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">www.popfictionwomen.com</a> See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

'Fleabag' Season Two & Phoebe Waller-Bridge

Celeste Ng

Little Fires Everywhere &amp; Celeste Ng: Complicated Dueling Matriarchs **The Matriarchs — Mrs. Richardson and Mia Warren — could not be more opposite, one lives by her rules and regulations and the other is a free spirited artist living a nomadic life. (Starts at :40).  **Carinn relates to both of them and how they made her analyze the difference between power and control while Kate admits (sadly) she relates to Mrs. Richardson’s need to for order. (9:38)  **Are they complicated? Kate is frustrated by the lack of inner conflict and growth, but Carinn sees small changes and reflections that are significant given Mrs. Richardson's starting point. In the end, Kate did not feel either matriarch was that complicated but Carinn is focused on all the conflict and change in the story as a whole, something bigger than these two women. (17:07) **The Adoption Mess— the matriarchs, along with the entire town, takes sides between Bebe Chow and Mrs. McCullough. We weigh in on where we think the baby belongs. (34:25) **Scenes: Mia and Izzy’s connection ignites (45:17); Pearl falls under the spell of the Richardson’s and Kate and Carinn get heated over Pearl and her relationships with Tripp and Moody (49:25) **Mrs. Richardson calls out Mia Warren and Mia comes back swinging—we can’t wait to see Reese Witherspoon and Kerry Washington bring this to life in the TV adaptation (58:18) **The ending leaves Kate wanting more, but Carinn feels like it perfectly suits the story (1:04:48) **What She Said (1:10:44). Carinn is an enormous fan of Celeste Ng and shares the fascinating backstory of her connection with fire. (1:13:20) Kate loves her 2008 essay in defense of fiction. (1:16:40)  **Crystal Ball. Carinn went with more drama while Kate wanted a love story. Kate envisions Mia finding Joseph Ryan (Pearl's biological father) and falling in love with. Carinn had Pearl finding her father, realizing the life she could have had and turning against her mother. (1:22:27) **Takeaways. Kate takes away how important it is when writing for characters to experience deeply and to grow in such a way that readers can feel that too. Carinn’s takeaway retells a story about Celeste's father, his job and explosions. (1:27:48) Stay Complicated! Follow us on Instagram and Facebook @popfictionwomen and on Twitter @pop_women. To do a full deep dive, check out our website at www.popfictionwomen.com See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Little Fires Everywhere &amp; Celeste Ng: Complicated Dueling Matriarchs **The Matriarchs — Mrs. Richardson and Mia Warren — could not be more opposite, one lives by her rules and regulations and the other is a free spirited artist living a nomadic life. (Starts at :40).  **Carinn relates to both of them and how they made her analyze the difference between power and control while Kate admits (sadly) she relates to Mrs. Richardson’s need to for order. (9:38)  **Are they complicated? Kate is frustrated by the lack of inner conflict and growth, but Carinn sees small changes and reflections that are significant given Mrs. Richardson's starting point. In the end, Kate did not feel either matriarch was that complicated but Carinn is focused on all the conflict and change in the story as a whole, something bigger than these two women. (17:07) **The Adoption Mess— the matriarchs, along with the entire town, takes sides between Bebe Chow and Mrs. McCullough. We weigh in on where we think the baby belongs. (34:25) **Scenes: Mia and Izzy’s connection ignites (45:17); Pearl falls under the spell of the Richardson’s and Kate and Carinn get heated over Pearl and her relationships with Tripp and Moody (49:25) **Mrs. Richardson calls out Mia Warren and Mia comes back swinging—we can’t wait to see Reese Witherspoon and Kerry Washington bring this to life in the TV adaptation (58:18) **The ending leaves Kate wanting more, but Carinn feels like it perfectly suits the story (1:04:48) **What She Said (1:10:44). Carinn is an enormous fan of Celeste Ng and shares the fascinating backstory of her connection with fire. (1:13:20) Kate loves her 2008 essay in defense of fiction. (1:16:40)  **Crystal Ball. Carinn went with more drama while Kate wanted a love story. Kate envisions Mia finding Joseph Ryan (Pearl's biological father) and falling in love with. Carinn had Pearl finding her father, realizing the life she could have had and turning against her mother. (1:22:27) **Takeaways. Kate takes away how important it is when writing for characters to experience deeply and to grow in such a way that readers can feel that too. Carinn’s takeaway retells a story about Celeste's father, his job and explosions. (1:27:48) Stay Complicated! Follow us on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/popfictionwomen/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Instagram</a> and <a href="https://www.facebook.com/popfictionwomen/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Facebook</a> @popfictionwomen and on Twitter @pop_women. To do a full deep dive, check out our website at <a href="http://www.popfictionwomen.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.popfictionwomen.com</a> See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

'Little Fires Everywhere' & Celeste Ng

Christina Tosi

Quick Cap #4: The Affair's Real Life Dual Narratives, Christina Tosi and PFW's first live event!The theme of this episode is “adaptation”. We’re talking about a number of news items involving novels being adapted for the big and small screen and how we personally adapted to do our first Pop Fiction Women live event (at :28)The Affair. We discuss the explosive story around conflicting accounts from show creator Sarah Treem and star Ruth Wilson about whether a toxic work environment existed on set at The Affair. The two articles (linked below) read like an episode of the show with different points of view and the complete lack of an objective truth. (at 1:30)The Woman in The Window Trailer is out. The movie looks creepy and so is A.J. Finn’s sketchy recitation of his personal past. It stars Amy Adams and Julianne Moore, who are amazing, but we’re not sure if they are enough of a draw to get us into the theatre for this one. (At 14:30)Megan Abbott’s TV adaptation of Dare Me is a bonanza of women in front of the camera and behind the scenes. Women are in total control of this story and we are so here for it. (At 18:14)Christina Tosi, the brilliant baker and founder of MilkBar, has us totally inspired, not just by her delicious creations, but more importantly by her hustle, determination and ability to adapt. She is most comfortable when she is uncomfortable and we couldn’t agree more! (At 22:08)Pop Fiction Women had our first live event! Talk about adapting, on very short notice, we hosted a screening of Love Actually at the Wing in NYC. We talked about the movie, the podcast, and most importantly, we survived our first live chat to tell you all about it (31:00)Stay Complicated!Follow us on Instagram and Facebook @popfictionwomen and on Twitter @pop_women. To do a full deep dive, check out our website at www.popfictionwomen.comLINKS:Ruth Wilson and The Hollywood ReporterSarah Treem on DeadlineMegan Abbott Wants You To Feel EverythingChristina Tosi Uses Her Whole Brainhttps://www.christinatosi.com/https://open.spotify.com/episode/0ih8KMhitDGfb2Pog1kOtUSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Quick Cap #4: The Affair's Real Life Dual Narratives, Christina Tosi and PFW's first live event!<ul><li>The theme of this episode is “adaptation”. We’re talking about a number of news items involving novels being adapted for the big and small screen and how we personally adapted to do our first Pop Fiction Women live event (at :28)</li><li>The Affair. We discuss the explosive story around conflicting accounts from show creator Sarah Treem and star Ruth Wilson about whether a toxic work environment existed on set at The Affair. The two articles (linked below) read like an episode of the show with different points of view and the complete lack of an objective truth. (at 1:30)</li><li>The Woman in The Window Trailer is out. The movie looks creepy and so is A.J. Finn’s sketchy recitation of his personal past. It stars Amy Adams and Julianne Moore, who are amazing, but we’re not sure if they are enough of a draw to get us into the theatre for this one. (At 14:30)</li><li>Megan Abbott’s TV adaptation of Dare Me is a bonanza of women in front of the camera and behind the scenes. Women are in total control of this story and we are so here for it. (At 18:14)</li><li>Christina Tosi, the brilliant baker and founder of MilkBar, has us totally inspired, not just by her delicious creations, but more importantly by her hustle, determination and ability to adapt. She is most comfortable when she is uncomfortable and we couldn’t agree more! (At 22:08)</li><li>Pop Fiction Women had our first live event! Talk about adapting, on very short notice, we hosted a screening of Love Actually at the Wing in NYC. We talked about the movie, the podcast, and most importantly, we survived our first live chat to tell you all about it (31:00)</li></ul>Stay Complicated!Follow us on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/popfictionwomen/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Instagram</a> and <a href="https://www.facebook.com/popfictionwomen/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Facebook</a> @popfictionwomen and on Twitter @pop_women. To do a full deep dive, check out our website at <a href="http://www.popfictionwomen.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.popfictionwomen.com</a>LINKS:<a href="https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/ruth-wilson-left-affair-hostile-environment-nudity-issues-1263553" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Ruth Wilson and The Hollywood Reporter</a><a href="https://deadline.com/2019/12/the-affair-sarah-treem-response-ruth-wilson-accusations-1202815490/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sarah Treem on Deadline</a><a href="https://www.marieclaire.com/culture/a30213729/megan-abbott-dare-me/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Megan Abbott Wants You To Feel Everything</a>Christina Tosi Uses Her Whole Brain<a href="https://www.christinatosi.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.christinatosi.com/</a><a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/0ih8KMhitDGfb2Pog1kOtU" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/episode/0ih8KMhitDGfb2Pog1kOtU</a>See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

Quick Cap #4: The Affair's Real Life Dual Narratives, Christina Tosi and PFW's first live event!

Jessica Simpson

Brit Marling

Natalie Portman

Quick Cap #5: Fleabag monologues, Jessica Simpson's new book, Brit Marling's NYT essay, and Natalie Portman claps back at Rose McGowan **We can’t get enough of Fleabag. There were two monologues from Season Two that didn’t fit into our standard format -- we tried to let them go, but we couldn't.  Kate applauds the relatability of the speech on womanhood delivered by Kristen Scott Thomas on women's awards and women's pain.“Hair IS everything!” Fleabag says to Anthony after Claire gets a bad haircut -- and yes, Fleabag, we totally hear you. Carinn gets personal about her emotional hair journey, including cutting off seven inches of her own hair with some kitchen shears a few weeks ago.  -We dissect the New York Times Opinion piece by Brit Marling with the incendiary title, “I Don’t Want To Be The Strong Female Lead”. We couldn’t resist this teaser: “In pop culture, women are often objectified and disposed of. But even when we’re not being victimized, the alternative leaves much to be desired.” We unpack Brit’s fascinating journey from Goldman Sachs to Netflix darling The OA, and of course find a way to compare Brit's ideas of the hero's journey to Fleabag and Erica Barry from Something’s Gotta Give. We also dig DEEP into what it means to have masculine and feminine traits, pulling from astrology, Chinese philosophy and Tantric tradition. (19:57)-We recount the Natalie Portman vs. Rose McGowan Oscar’s feud over Natalie’s dress with a shout-out to the names of the snubbed female directors. Rose McGowan called out her “type of activism” as “deeply offensive” and hollow, but Natalie clapped back eloquently but with bite. (39:15)**Carinn stayed up way too late starting Jessica Simpson’s memoir, “Open Book”. It’s juicy, quirky and deep -- a rare combo! (48:20)Follow us on Instagram and Facebook @popfictionwomen and on Twitter @pop_women. Email us at cjadebarry [at] gmail. To do a full deep dive, check out our website at www.popfictionwomen.comStay Complicated!Subscribe or follow for new episodes every WednesdaySee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Quick Cap #5: Fleabag monologues, Jessica Simpson's new book, Brit Marling's NYT essay, and Natalie Portman claps back at Rose McGowan **We can’t get enough of Fleabag. There were two monologues from Season Two that didn’t fit into our standard format -- we tried to let them go, but we couldn't. <ul><li>Kate applauds the relatability of the speech on womanhood delivered by Kristen Scott Thomas on women's awards and women's pain.</li><li>“Hair IS everything!” Fleabag says to Anthony after Claire gets a bad haircut -- and yes, Fleabag, we totally hear you. Carinn gets personal about her emotional hair journey, including cutting off seven inches of her own hair with some kitchen shears a few weeks ago. </li></ul> -We dissect the <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/07/opinion/sunday/brit-marling-women-movies.html" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">New York Times Opinion piece</a> by Brit Marling with the incendiary title, “I Don’t Want To Be The Strong Female Lead”. <ul><li>We couldn’t resist this teaser: “In pop culture, women are often objectified and disposed of. But even when we’re not being victimized, the alternative leaves much to be desired.” We unpack Brit’s fascinating journey from Goldman Sachs to Netflix darling The OA, and of course find a way to compare Brit's ideas of the hero's journey to Fleabag and Erica Barry from Something’s Gotta Give. </li><li>We also dig DEEP into what it means to have masculine and feminine traits, pulling from astrology, Chinese philosophy and Tantric tradition. (19:57)</li></ul> -We recount the <a href=" https://m.eonline.com/news/1122437/rose-mcgowan-slams-natalie-portman-s-deeply-offensive-oscars-outfit" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Natalie Portman vs. Rose McGowan</a> Oscar’s feud over Natalie’s dress with a shout-out to the names of the snubbed female directors. Rose McGowan called out her “type of activism” as “deeply offensive” and hollow, but Natalie clapped back eloquently but with bite. (39:15)**Carinn stayed up way too late starting Jessica Simpson’s memoir, “Open Book”. It’s juicy, quirky and deep -- a rare combo! (48:20)Follow us on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/popfictionwomen/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Instagram</a> and <a href="https://www.facebook.com/popfictionwomen/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Facebook</a> @popfictionwomen and on Twitter @pop_women. Email us at cjadebarry [at] gmail. To do a full deep dive, check out our website at <a href="http://www.popfictionwomen.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">www.popfictionwomen.com</a>Stay Complicated!Subscribe or follow for new episodes every WednesdaySee <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

Quick Cap #5: Fleabag monologues, Jessica Simpson, Brit Marling, and Natalie Portman claps back

Nancy Meyers

Something’s Gotta Give &amp; Nancy Meyers: crying at your computer complicated **Quick Cap Intro: We’re trying something new in this episode! Before we get to Erica Barry and Something’s Gotta Give, we dissect the New York Times Opinion piece by Brit Marling with the incendiary title, “I Don’t Want To Be The Strong Female Lead”. We couldn’t resist this teaser: “In pop culture, women are often objectified and disposed of. But even when we’re not being victimized, the alternative leaves much to be desired.” We unpack Brit’s fascinating journey from Goldman Sachs to Netflix darling The OA, and of course find a way to compare Brit's ideas of the hero's journey to Fleabag and Erica Barry. We also dig DEEP into what it means to have masculine and feminine traits, pulling from astrology, Chinese philosophy and Tantric tradition. Something’s Gotta Give (starts at 22:30) **It all comes together. We start with a discussion of the similarities this movie has with When Harry Met Sally and Always Be My Maybe, with a little Sleeping With Other People thrown in. (22:30) **Complicated Woman Rating. Kate thinks Erica is “absolutely” a complicated woman, citing how other characters describe her and how she describes herself; Carinn agrees that her vulnerability and who she is when she’s falling in love is where she sees the paradox in her personality, but she sees this as too much of Harry’s story as he is the one who ultimately has to change (27:45). **Scenes. We discuss the movie's iconic speeches, starting with Erica Barry’s sister, Zoe’s (played by Frances McDormand) speech about dating for women over 50 (39:11); moving to the vulnerable speech Erica gives after running into Harry with another woman: “I don’t want my bearings, I’ve had my bearings my whole goddamn life!” (42:22); but then Harry’s speech at the end on the bridge in Paris, while fitting for his character, left us wanting more, with Carinn arguing that Harry needed to tell Erica why he was in love with Erica (47:50); Harry gets his unglued, emotional moment when he goes to watch her play (50:02); Erica and her daughter, Marin, have some great moments and discussions about love (51:58); Erica with Julian, the young, dashing Keanu Reeves...Kate finds it all very cringy, Carinn likes how the tables have turned (55:40); then we discuss the scene after they have sex and our thoughts on Harry’s reference to soulmates (60:10). **What’s Your Damage, Heather? We discuss how Erica got to be the way she is. Kate finds it very relatable, by being so strong and impervious she allowed herself to be closed off — she was content, but not open and vulnerable. She believes Erica uses her strength to separate herself and it can be isolating and lonely (61:33). Carinn laments that as a “fixer”, someone that friends come to with their deepest secrets, she sometimes feels isolated because she never gets her turn to be broken (65:00) **What She Said - Nancy Meyers. Carinn went down the rabbit hole of Nancy Meyers' personal life and just how autobiographical Something’s Gotta Give really is. Kate loves her perspective as a female filmmaker and how she makes movies with complicated women with real problems. Nancy Meyers is a Sagittarius, another fire sign, so of course we love her. (67:14) **Crystal ball. Six months after the final scene, Kate has Harry and Erica still together, but it’s hard to teach an old dog new tricks and she sees him falling down a Johnny Cash hole of depression and addiction; Carinn envisions a future five years out for Erica and Julian. Erica realizes HE was the one who got away, and fate brings them together when Marin has complications during her third pregnancy. (79:50) **Takeaways. Kate’s takeaway is that sometimes you need to cut your turtleneck off, meaning whatever is constricting you or holding you back, cut it open and let it go. Carinn ponders a quote — “fast love expires like milk, patient love sticks like honey” — and concludes everyone needs both (93:00).  Stay Complicated! Follow us on Instagram and Facebook and on Twitter @pop_women. Email us with questions, recommendations and criticism at cjadebarry at gmail.  Link to Brit Marling NYT article: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/07/opinion/sunday/brit-marling-women-movies.html See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Something’s Gotta Give &amp; Nancy Meyers: crying at your computer complicated **Quick Cap Intro: We’re trying something new in this episode! Before we get to Erica Barry and Something’s Gotta Give, we dissect the New York Times Opinion piece by Brit Marling with the incendiary title, “I Don’t Want To Be The Strong Female Lead”. We couldn’t resist this teaser: “In pop culture, women are often objectified and disposed of. But even when we’re not being victimized, the alternative leaves much to be desired.” We unpack Brit’s fascinating journey from Goldman Sachs to Netflix darling The OA, and of course find a way to compare Brit's ideas of the hero's journey to Fleabag and Erica Barry. We also dig DEEP into what it means to have masculine and feminine traits, pulling from astrology, Chinese philosophy and Tantric tradition. Something’s Gotta Give (starts at 22:30) **It all comes together. We start with a discussion of the similarities this movie has with When Harry Met Sally and Always Be My Maybe, with a little Sleeping With Other People thrown in. (22:30) **Complicated Woman Rating. Kate thinks Erica is “absolutely” a complicated woman, citing how other characters describe her and how she describes herself; Carinn agrees that her vulnerability and who she is when she’s falling in love is where she sees the paradox in her personality, but she sees this as too much of Harry’s story as he is the one who ultimately has to change (27:45). **Scenes. We discuss the movie's iconic speeches, starting with Erica Barry’s sister, Zoe’s (played by Frances McDormand) speech about dating for women over 50 (39:11); moving to the vulnerable speech Erica gives after running into Harry with another woman: “I don’t want my bearings, I’ve had my bearings my whole goddamn life!” (42:22); but then Harry’s speech at the end on the bridge in Paris, while fitting for his character, left us wanting more, with Carinn arguing that Harry needed to tell Erica why he was in love with Erica (47:50); Harry gets his unglued, emotional moment when he goes to watch her play (50:02); Erica and her daughter, Marin, have some great moments and discussions about love (51:58); Erica with Julian, the young, dashing Keanu Reeves...Kate finds it all very cringy, Carinn likes how the tables have turned (55:40); then we discuss the scene after they have sex and our thoughts on Harry’s reference to soulmates (60:10). **What’s Your Damage, Heather? We discuss how Erica got to be the way she is. Kate finds it very relatable, by being so strong and impervious she allowed herself to be closed off — she was content, but not open and vulnerable. She believes Erica uses her strength to separate herself and it can be isolating and lonely (61:33). Carinn laments that as a “fixer”, someone that friends come to with their deepest secrets, she sometimes feels isolated because she never gets her turn to be broken (65:00) **What She Said - Nancy Meyers. Carinn went down the rabbit hole of Nancy Meyers' personal life and just how autobiographical Something’s Gotta Give really is. Kate loves her perspective as a female filmmaker and how she makes movies with complicated women with real problems. Nancy Meyers is a Sagittarius, another fire sign, so of course we love her. (67:14) **Crystal ball. Six months after the final scene, Kate has Harry and Erica still together, but it’s hard to teach an old dog new tricks and she sees him falling down a Johnny Cash hole of depression and addiction; Carinn envisions a future five years out for Erica and Julian. Erica realizes HE was the one who got away, and fate brings them together when Marin has complications during her third pregnancy. (79:50) **Takeaways. Kate’s takeaway is that sometimes you need to cut your turtleneck off, meaning whatever is constricting you or holding you back, cut it open and let it go. Carinn ponders a quote — “fast love expires like milk, patient love sticks like honey” — and concludes everyone needs both (93:00).  Stay Complicated! Follow us on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/popfictionwomen/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Instagram</a> and <a href="https://www.facebook.com/popfictionwomen/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Facebook</a> and on Twitter @pop_women. Email us with questions, recommendations and criticism at cjadebarry at gmail. Link to Brit Marling NYT article: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/07/opinion/sunday/brit-marling-women-movies.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/07/opinion/sunday/brit-marling-women-movies.html</a> See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

'Something's Gotta Give' & Nancy Meyers

Glennon Doyle

In CARRY ON, WARRIOR Glennon Doyle saved herself from addiction, then in LOVE WARRIOR she saved her marriage, but now we deep dive into her new memoir, UNTAMED, where she lets it all go wild and untames her inner cheetah. *** Kate settles in on the couch and opens herself up to guidance and wisdom and Carinn shares much of her own personal journey to becoming untamed. *** We end with a debate about whether the untamed woman is tolerable in society. Untamed Carinn says no one likes her, and Kate thinks the world wants us back in our cages. But ultimately we believe this book is aspirational, and this podcast helps bridge the gap from caged to complicated to untamed. Show segments: *** Glennon hands us the “The Four Keys” on how to unlock yourself and become untamed. We examine and turn them all: FEEL, KNOW, IMAGINE and LET IT BURN. *** FEEL. "Pain is not tragic, pain is magic,” according to Glennon, but it's a process. (02:44) *** Control is one way we try to avoid the feeling. (16:43)  *** And what about all the productivity and keeping busy? Is it a coping mechanism to avoid feeling all the feelings or is it just how we’re wired? Glennon forces Kate &amp; Carinn to look inside themselves for these answers. (27:24) *** KNOW. Carinn figured out the second key, like Glennon, on the floor of her closet in her LA apartment. Kate is struggling to silence the mess in her brain long enough to hear the knowing and wonders if you can find it on a meditation app; and even if you find it, how the heck do you trust it? Little by little it seems. (37:49) *** IMAGINE. Carinn wants everyone to customize their pre-fabricated lives, like she does with adventure. Kate has a great imagination, but is fascinated by Glennon’s instructions about how to get from “not this” to “this instead” Moving from dreaming to doing requires putting pen to paper, speaking your truth out loud and finding expanders! (54:00)  *** Kate and Carinn stop to pause and worship at the altar of this profound insight from Liz Gilbert: “There is no such thing as one way liberation.” (67:39) *** Carinn wonders if there is a danger to having too good of an imagination? Do some people imagine themselves into the knowing without doing all the steps beforehand of feeling and knowing? (75:00) *** LET IT BURN. As two fire signs, the fourth key is our favorite. Carinn shares how she likes to burn down before imagining, but doesn’t recommend it! Kate thinks people get paralyzed with this step -- stuck in the abyss between imagining and burning it down. (80:13) *** Glennon hits home with her insightful comments about the view so many women hold of motherhood as martyrdom and challenges whether good mothers can break their children’s hearts in order to follow their own. (91:00) *** Carinn and Kate agree that Abby is a real highlight in the book. From Glennon’s description of feeling desire for the first time in her life to what Abby has taught her about love...it is all so good. (95:50) *** What didn’t we love? Carinn questions whether telling the book in hindsight sanitizes the story. Where is the actual mess? Are complaints about braids and a cute race scene as bad as it gets? (102:35) *** We end with a debate about whether the untamed woman is tolerable in society. Untamed Carinn says no one likes her, and Kate thinks the world wants us back in our cages. But ultimately we believe this book is aspirational, and this podcast helps bridge the gap from caged to complicated to untamed. (110:00) Follow us on Instagram and Facebook @popfictionwomen and on Twitter @pop_women. To do a full deep dive, check out our website at www.popfictionwomen.com. Stay Complicated! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In CARRY ON, WARRIOR Glennon Doyle saved herself from addiction, then in LOVE WARRIOR she saved her marriage, but now we deep dive into her new memoir, UNTAMED, where she lets it all go wild and untames her inner cheetah. *** Kate settles in on the couch and opens herself up to guidance and wisdom and Carinn shares much of her own personal journey to becoming untamed. *** We end with a debate about whether the untamed woman is tolerable in society. Untamed Carinn says no one likes her, and Kate thinks the world wants us back in our cages. But ultimately we believe this book is aspirational, and this podcast helps bridge the gap from caged to complicated to untamed. Show segments: *** Glennon hands us the “The Four Keys” on how to unlock yourself and become untamed. We examine and turn them all: FEEL, KNOW, IMAGINE and LET IT BURN. *** FEEL. "Pain is not tragic, pain is magic,” according to Glennon, but it's a process. (02:44) *** Control is one way we try to avoid the feeling. (16:43)  *** And what about all the productivity and keeping busy? Is it a coping mechanism to avoid feeling all the feelings or is it just how we’re wired? Glennon forces Kate &amp; Carinn to look inside themselves for these answers. (27:24) *** KNOW. Carinn figured out the second key, like Glennon, on the floor of her closet in her LA apartment. Kate is struggling to silence the mess in her brain long enough to hear the knowing and wonders if you can find it on a meditation app; and even if you find it, how the heck do you trust it? Little by little it seems. (37:49) *** IMAGINE. Carinn wants everyone to customize their pre-fabricated lives, like she does with adventure. Kate has a great imagination, but is fascinated by Glennon’s instructions about how to get from “not this” to “this instead” Moving from dreaming to doing requires putting pen to paper, speaking your truth out loud and finding expanders! (54:00)  *** Kate and Carinn stop to pause and worship at the altar of this profound insight from Liz Gilbert: “There is no such thing as one way liberation.” (67:39) *** Carinn wonders if there is a danger to having too good of an imagination? Do some people imagine themselves into the knowing without doing all the steps beforehand of feeling and knowing? (75:00) *** LET IT BURN. As two fire signs, the fourth key is our favorite. Carinn shares how she likes to burn down before imagining, but doesn’t recommend it! Kate thinks people get paralyzed with this step -- stuck in the abyss between imagining and burning it down. (80:13) *** Glennon hits home with her insightful comments about the view so many women hold of motherhood as martyrdom and challenges whether good mothers can break their children’s hearts in order to follow their own. (91:00) *** Carinn and Kate agree that Abby is a real highlight in the book. From Glennon’s description of feeling desire for the first time in her life to what Abby has taught her about love...it is all so good. (95:50) *** What didn’t we love? Carinn questions whether telling the book in hindsight sanitizes the story. Where is the actual mess? Are complaints about braids and a cute race scene as bad as it gets? (102:35) *** We end with a debate about whether the untamed woman is tolerable in society. Untamed Carinn says no one likes her, and Kate thinks the world wants us back in our cages. But ultimately we believe this book is aspirational, and this podcast helps bridge the gap from caged to complicated to untamed. (110:00) Follow us on Instagram and Facebook @popfictionwomen and on Twitter @pop_women. To do a full deep dive, check out our website at <a href="http://www.popfictionwomen.com" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">www.popfictionwomen.com</a>. Stay Complicated! See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

'Untamed' & Glennon Doyle

In the name of Christina Applegate, Linda Cardellini and the Liz Feldman we are in television HEAVEN. Consider this your hype episode, prepping you to binge the whole delicious season. Only MINOR spoilers as to what happens in the first episode. No major spoilers at all. Dead To Recap *** The cast's live Facebook table read last night sucked us totally back in. We were completely dazzled and needed to be back with these ladies asap. (1:07) *** Then we go back to revisit a tweet we received from the show’s creator, Liz Feldman. Some people would have been embarrassed, but we were thrilled that she listened to our podcast! Want to find out the plot twist she revealed? Listen here. (7:30) *** Now it’s time for Dead to Recap where we deep dive into a recap of this season’s brilliant, funny, and compulsive start. Jen and Judy are back together and they are dealing with the aftermath of Jen killing Steve.  In true Dead to Me style, there are straight lies, half-truths, f-bombs galore, grief, suspicion, frustration, tender moments and plenty of tears and wine. And the signature music is on fire! (12:53) *** Of course, it wouldn’t be this show without a surprising reveal. We won’t spoil it, but let’s just say we finally get to see what happened between Jen and Steve. And a classic Dead to Me twist comes in the last moment! We had superhuman strength stopping there! (39:25)  *** We conclude with a unanimous “must watch” and we’ll be back with a full episode after we binge the remainder of the season! Hurry up, we will see you back here soon! (42:40) Follow us on Instagram and Facebook @popfictionwomen or deep dive on our website www.popfictionwomen.com Stay Complicated!!! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In the name of Christina Applegate, Linda Cardellini and the Liz Feldman we are in television HEAVEN. Consider this your hype episode, prepping you to binge the whole delicious season. Only MINOR spoilers as to what happens in the first episode. No major spoilers at all. Dead To Recap *** The cast's live Facebook table read last night sucked us totally back in. We were completely dazzled and needed to be back with these ladies asap. (1:07) *** Then we go back to revisit a tweet we received from the show’s creator, Liz Feldman. Some people would have been embarrassed, but we were thrilled that she listened to our podcast! Want to find out the plot twist she revealed? Listen here. (7:30) *** Now it’s time for Dead to Recap where we deep dive into a recap of this season’s brilliant, funny, and compulsive start. Jen and Judy are back together and they are dealing with the aftermath of Jen killing Steve.  In true Dead to Me style, there are straight lies, half-truths, f-bombs galore, grief, suspicion, frustration, tender moments and plenty of tears and wine. And the signature music is on fire! (12:53) *** Of course, it wouldn’t be this show without a surprising reveal. We won’t spoil it, but let’s just say we finally get to see what happened between Jen and Steve. And a classic Dead to Me twist comes in the last moment! We had superhuman strength stopping there! (39:25)  *** We conclude with a unanimous “must watch” and we’ll be back with a full episode after we binge the remainder of the season! Hurry up, we will see you back here soon! (42:40) Follow us on Instagram and Facebook @popfictionwomen or deep dive on our website <a href="http://www.popfictionwomen.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.popfictionwomen.com</a> Stay Complicated!!! See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

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