Emmanuel:Yeah.	Alrighty. Hi!Lizzy:My name is Lizzie.Bobby:Bobby Pache.Andrea:Hi, my name is Andrea.Emmanuel:Emmanuel Santos.EmilyEmily.Emmanuel:And I worked with the Visitor Engagement team.Lizzy:Here at MoMA PS1.EmilySo the VE team is our Visitor Engagement team. And we're here to answer your questions and talk to you about art and have fun conversations.Bobby:You know, talking every day, being charming, et cetera.Andrea:It has shown me how long I can stand for one period of time.Emmanuel:I'd like to be in the coat room, having a nice place to sit while I draw, and then having people come over and bring their stuff, but then also notice me drawing and just like, "oh wow, you're an artist!" I'm like, "yeah, I am."EmilySo we're going to go on a tour together through the museum to look at some art, but also some really special spaces.Lizzy:Some spaces that are special to us on the VE team.Bobby:Cool.Andrea:Nailed it.Emmanuel:Perfect.

Emmanuel: Yeah. 	Alrighty. Hi! Lizzy: My name is Lizzie. Bobby: Bobby Pache. Andrea: Hi, my name is Andrea. Emmanuel: Emmanuel Santos. Emily Emily. Emmanuel: And I worked with the Visitor Engagement team. Lizzy: Here at MoMA PS1. Emily So the VE team is our Visitor Engagement team. And we're here to answer your questions and talk to you about art and have fun conversations. Bobby: You know, talking every day, being charming, et cetera. Andrea: It has shown me how long I can stand for one period of time. Emmanuel: I'd like to be in the coat room, having a nice place to sit while I draw, and then having people come over and bring their stuff, but then also notice me drawing and just like, "oh wow, you're an artist!" I'm like, "yeah, I am." Emily So we're going to go on a tour together through the museum to look at some art, but also some really special spaces. Lizzy: Some spaces that are special to us on the VE team. Bobby: Cool. Andrea: Nailed it. Emmanuel: Perfect.

Meet the Visitor Engagement Team

Emily:All right. You want to walk over with me, you can. This is a fun, creepy corner that people are very afraid of. So we're standing in the boiler, the old boiler room of MoMA PS1 right now in front of the large boiler that was set down here in 1902. That was then gold leafed by Saul Melman back in 2010 as part of our greater New York show.Bobby:And you have this massive furnace...Emily:It's the original boiler of the room. And then it was like abandoned and not used anymore.Bobby:Oh, so this is a Relic. It's very old. It's still very beautiful.Emily:It's fun. Because it's one of the only pieces you could also like totally interact with. So like you're allowed to open all the doors. I always touch the parts that are just old and grimy and not covered in gold leaf, just because gross.Bobby:And if you keep on looking at it, you obviously see that it's about halfway covered in gold leafing. And this is the work of Saul Melman. You can see gold a lot in Catholic artwork around deities and it's always associated with life. So with this piece, he wanted to bring the boiler back to life. So he used gold leafing to cover the surface and he also worked as a surgeon in the emergency room. So they think that "Central Governor" got his name because of that relation. "Central Governor" means the heart.Emily:He named the peace "Central Governor" after this kind of idea that the boiler was the heart of the building.Bobby:So, well by reinvigorating the heart you can kind of bring back to life, this museum. And that's what I think he was trying to do in some way.Emily:The gross fun details of this piece is that he didn't use any sort of like traditional glue or water based kind of like adhesive.Bobby:All the gold leaving was applied with his bodily fluids. That includes sweat, blood and urine.Emily:He used blood, sweat and tears, like literally.Bobby:I would say that this is definitely one of the visitor favorites.Emily:If you walk over to the piece and you look at the center where you see some lights, you'll notice these test tubes filled with a white liquid.Bobby:There's two vials. I don't don't know what they were used for, but Saul Melman has repurposed them and inserted his semen in it.Emily:People have gasped. People just will like give you blank stares. People just will kind of explode in laughter.Bobby:Yes that sounds weird, but there's this association with life.Emily:I think it kind of kicks them off into a good point of understanding how many strange things are here.Bobby:So, many people might think it's funny, but to me it kind of makes sense. It's outlandish, but once I look at the artwork as a whole, I feel like I understand it and appreciate it.

Emily: All right. You want to walk over with me, you can. This is a fun, creepy corner that people are very afraid of. So we're standing in the boiler, the old boiler room of MoMA PS1 right now in front of the large boiler that was set down here in 1902. That was then gold leafed by Saul Melman back in 2010 as part of our greater New York show. Bobby: And you have this massive furnace... Emily: It's the original boiler of the room. And then it was like abandoned and not used anymore. Bobby: Oh, so this is a Relic. It's very old. It's still very beautiful. Emily: It's fun. Because it's one of the only pieces you could also like totally interact with. So like you're allowed to open all the doors. I always touch the parts that are just old and grimy and not covered in gold leaf, just because gross. Bobby: And if you keep on looking at it, you obviously see that it's about halfway covered in gold leafing. And this is the work of Saul Melman. You can see gold a lot in Catholic artwork around deities and it's always associated with life. So with this piece, he wanted to bring the boiler back to life. So he used gold leafing to cover the surface and he also worked as a surgeon in the emergency room. So they think that "Central Governor" got his name because of that relation. "Central Governor" means the heart. Emily: He named the peace "Central Governor" after this kind of idea that the boiler was the heart of the building. Bobby: So, well by reinvigorating the heart you can kind of bring back to life, this museum. And that's what I think he was trying to do in some way. Emily: The gross fun details of this piece is that he didn't use any sort of like traditional glue or water based kind of like adhesive. Bobby: All the gold leaving was applied with his bodily fluids. That includes sweat, blood and urine. Emily: He used blood, sweat and tears, like literally. Bobby: I would say that this is definitely one of the visitor favorites. Emily: If you walk over to the piece and you look at the center where you see some lights, you'll notice these test tubes filled with a white liquid. Bobby: There's two vials. I don't don't know what they were used for, but Saul Melman has repurposed them and inserted his semen in it. Emily: People have gasped. People just will like give you blank stares. People just will kind of explode in laughter. Bobby: Yes that sounds weird, but there's this association with life. Emily: I think it kind of kicks them off into a good point of understanding how many strange things are here. Bobby: So, many people might think it's funny, but to me it kind of makes sense. It's outlandish, but once I look at the artwork as a whole, I feel like I understand it and appreciate it.

Central Govenor

Bobby:My favorite piece from the museum is by Richard Artschwager, and I like it because the story behind it.LizzieBefore we get into the piece, I want to back up real fast and give you some history of PS1. The building we're in is almost 130 years old. It was originally a public school building, the first public school in Long Island City.Bobby:This school only lasted for about 60 years.Lizzie:It functioned as a school until the mid 20th century when it closed, because it was sort of falling apart, and there was low enrollment in Long Island City at the time.Andrea:And that's when Alana Hies came along with the groundbreaking idea to use these abandoned public spaces, to present contemporary art exhibitions, which would focus on the newest art trends and promote new and emerging artists.Lizzie:So if you can imagine the building has been abandoned for quite a few years, it's in terrible shape. The paint is peeling.Andrea:Rooms still have seats in them. Some had desks, some had standing water.Lizzie:Flooded it in different places.Bobby:There was dust everywhere.Andrea:I mean, it was that bad.Lizzie:The first show that opens at PS1 is called Rooms. Rooms was an opportunity for artists to kind of create within the architecture of the museum and using that as their canvas.Andrea:That was the architecture of the building was as important as the work, or they were equally entwined. There's really not separate. And it's because they're meant to live in the building and age with the building and be the building.Lizzie:But there was a very short window of time before rooms opened. It was only about six weeks from when the firm, when Allana Hies the founder signed the lease on the building to when rooms opened. So she hired, or sort of begged a lot of the artists who were in the show to help with this cleanup process. And so they were really involved in sort of getting the building clean and up to code. The museum gets noticed by city council that they won't be able to open unless they have five marked exits throughout the entire building. Richard Artschwager went back to them and said, "One of the main sort of theme of this show that we're trying to do is that you really can't tell where the art begins in the building ends and vice versa. Having these illuminated exit signs would totally take the visitor out of that space".Bobby:And they were like "No exit signs, no open to the public".Lizzie:And so he said "Fine, you want your five exit signs here they are".Bobby:He was like, okay, I'll give you five exit signs. So he took five light bulbs. If you look up to the ceiling, you can see them. And right now we have three on display, exit, exit, exit, and they're right after the other. They're not spread out through the museum. So this is why I find it so funny instead of spreading them out, he decided to line them up in one hallway, leading to a wall, that's not even a proper exit.Lizzie:And he called it one of the art pieces in the show, 'Don't fight city hall'. I really liked that story because it really speaks to sort of the good humor of the like original artists who were in the room show.Bobby:And I like it so much because it's petty, it's humorous. And I find that very humane. I'm a Spanish man and petty runs in our veins.

Bobby: My favorite piece from the museum is by Richard Artschwager, and I like it because the story behind it. Lizzie Before we get into the piece, I want to back up real fast and give you some history of PS1. The building we're in is almost 130 years old. It was originally a public school building, the first public school in Long Island City. Bobby: This school only lasted for about 60 years. Lizzie: It functioned as a school until the mid 20th century when it closed, because it was sort of falling apart, and there was low enrollment in Long Island City at the time. Andrea: And that's when Alana Hies came along with the groundbreaking idea to use these abandoned public spaces, to present contemporary art exhibitions, which would focus on the newest art trends and promote new and emerging artists. Lizzie: So if you can imagine the building has been abandoned for quite a few years, it's in terrible shape. The paint is peeling. Andrea: Rooms still have seats in them. Some had desks, some had standing water. Lizzie: Flooded it in different places. Bobby: There was dust everywhere. Andrea: I mean, it was that bad. Lizzie: The first show that opens at PS1 is called Rooms. Rooms was an opportunity for artists to kind of create within the architecture of the museum and using that as their canvas. Andrea: That was the architecture of the building was as important as the work, or they were equally entwined. There's really not separate. And it's because they're meant to live in the building and age with the building and be the building. Lizzie: But there was a very short window of time before rooms opened. It was only about six weeks from when the firm, when Allana Hies the founder signed the lease on the building to when rooms opened. So she hired, or sort of begged a lot of the artists who were in the show to help with this cleanup process. And so they were really involved in sort of getting the building clean and up to code. The museum gets noticed by city council that they won't be able to open unless they have five marked exits throughout the entire building. Richard Artschwager went back to them and said, "One of the main sort of theme of this show that we're trying to do is that you really can't tell where the art begins in the building ends and vice versa. Having these illuminated exit signs would totally take the visitor out of that space". Bobby: And they were like "No exit signs, no open to the public". Lizzie: And so he said "Fine, you want your five exit signs here they are". Bobby: He was like, okay, I'll give you five exit signs. So he took five light bulbs. If you look up to the ceiling, you can see them. And right now we have three on display, exit, exit, exit, and they're right after the other. They're not spread out through the museum. So this is why I find it so funny instead of spreading them out, he decided to line them up in one hallway, leading to a wall, that's not even a proper exit. Lizzie: And he called it one of the art pieces in the show, 'Don't fight city hall'. I really liked that story because it really speaks to sort of the good humor of the like original artists who were in the room show. Bobby: And I like it so much because it's petty, it's humorous. And I find that very humane. I'm a Spanish man and petty runs in our veins.

Don't Fight City Hall

Andrea:Now I'm going to take you into the lobby and show you a little something that you probably would miss. Most grownups normally miss this installation, but the children usually always see it. Maybe it's because they're lower to the ground and that's one of the reasons they see it, or it just could be because their heads aren't as cluttered with information as adults. But this piece can be found after you enter the front doors, if you turn left, it's between the front door and the windows. So the artist that I'm going to talk about is Pipilotti Rist. Well, this installation, it's a little teeny tiny little video in the hole in the floor. Well, now it's really interesting because so many people when I try to point out, I don't think that they get that I'm trying to show them there's actually something installed in the floor. Now, usually it would be busier in a lobby and it would be loud and it would be hard to hear that. Where now, since it's quieter, you can hear it. And now I see more people where they're walking in and they're hearing this and they can't figure out where they're hearing the sound's coming from or the soundtrack. And you never think to look down on the floor, so I just usually like to go over and they're like, Oh" They're so surprised and it's really fun to watch that.

Andrea: Now I'm going to take you into the lobby and show you a little something that you probably would miss. Most grownups normally miss this installation, but the children usually always see it. Maybe it's because they're lower to the ground and that's one of the reasons they see it, or it just could be because their heads aren't as cluttered with information as adults. But this piece can be found after you enter the front doors, if you turn left, it's between the front door and the windows. So the artist that I'm going to talk about is Pipilotti Rist. Well, this installation, it's a little teeny tiny little video in the hole in the floor. Well, now it's really interesting because so many people when I try to point out, I don't think that they get that I'm trying to show them there's actually something installed in the floor. Now, usually it would be busier in a lobby and it would be loud and it would be hard to hear that. Where now, since it's quieter, you can hear it. And now I see more people where they're walking in and they're hearing this and they can't figure out where they're hearing the sound's coming from or the soundtrack. And you never think to look down on the floor, so I just usually like to go over and they're like, Oh" They're so surprised and it's really fun to watch that.

Selbstlos im Lavabad (Selfless in the Bath of Lava)

Cecily Brown

Emily:Okay. Cecily's on the other side and I was like, where is she? We're standing in front of Cecily Brown's piece on the second floor in stairwell B.Emmanuel:I refer it to like, as a mess, but like in a really good way, like it's a really nice mess on this wall in stair B.Emily:The more you spend with it, the more little details you see I'm going to want to use, I always use the word orgy. Am I allowed to use that word on this?Emmanuel:Massive orgy of naked bodies, like a literal orgy.Emily:You'll notice different bodies kind of intertwined and inter tangled in each other. Predominantly these male bodies, nude, kind of interacting at interesting angles and some not the most flattering.Emmanuel:Whenever I talk about that piece after the Torah has had its Gables. I talk about John Berger's the Ways of Seeing. He's a big art critic, and one of the things he speaks about is the difference between nudity and nakedness. The difference between nudity and nakedness is that nakedness is like a sort of like unawareness that people are observing you while you're without clothing. And nudity is the sort of this choice of wanting to be without clothes. So like, I like to imagine that honestly, Cecily Brown was going for that sort of nudity. The figures that she's painting, they are acknowledging that they're nude, they're enjoying their nakedness. They're enjoying being observed, essentially.Emily:She's really interested in previous art movements like abstract expressionism and kind of the idea that those are always such male centered practices and kind of movements within the art history canon. And so she's really kind of interested in taking that kind of male gaze and that aggression that's in them and kind of flipping it on its head. So it's kind of her opportunity to take a chance to say to these abstract expressionists artists that anything they can do, she can do better and kind of using them and their bodies themselves as the stepping stone to do that. Kind of using them as her own subject matter and treating them how they've treated women in the past.

Emily: Okay. Cecily's on the other side and I was like, where is she? We're standing in front of Cecily Brown's piece on the second floor in stairwell B. Emmanuel: I refer it to like, as a mess, but like in a really good way, like it's a really nice mess on this wall in stair B. Emily: The more you spend with it, the more little details you see I'm going to want to use, I always use the word orgy. Am I allowed to use that word on this? Emmanuel: Massive orgy of naked bodies, like a literal orgy. Emily: You'll notice different bodies kind of intertwined and inter tangled in each other. Predominantly these male bodies, nude, kind of interacting at interesting angles and some not the most flattering. Emmanuel: Whenever I talk about that piece after the Torah has had its Gables. I talk about John Berger's the Ways of Seeing. He's a big art critic, and one of the things he speaks about is the difference between nudity and nakedness. The difference between nudity and nakedness is that nakedness is like a sort of like unawareness that people are observing you while you're without clothing. And nudity is the sort of this choice of wanting to be without clothes. So like, I like to imagine that honestly, Cecily Brown was going for that sort of nudity. The figures that she's painting, they are acknowledging that they're nude, they're enjoying their nakedness. They're enjoying being observed, essentially. Emily: She's really interested in previous art movements like abstract expressionism and kind of the idea that those are always such male centered practices and kind of movements within the art history canon. And so she's really kind of interested in taking that kind of male gaze and that aggression that's in them and kind of flipping it on its head. So it's kind of her opportunity to take a chance to say to these abstract expressionists artists that anything they can do, she can do better and kind of using them and their bodies themselves as the stepping stone to do that. Kind of using them as her own subject matter and treating them how they've treated women in the past.

Untitled, Cecily Brown

Lizzie:So my name is Lizzie. I've been a Visitor Engagement Associate here for almost two years. My first experience at PS1 though was about four years ago at the Art Book Fair. It was still really warm, it's in September every year. And I just have this one memory of sitting out in the courtyard and air conditioning water from the window units in the offices on the third floor was like dripping on me because it was the only little square of space I could find. And just like people watching the massive crowds and I just moved to New York so I felt very cool. And so that's what I've always really loved about PS1. That's like in its bones and its history is this like alternative space. Yeah. It's a really fun place to visit and then maybe even more fun to work here.

Lizzie: So my name is Lizzie. I've been a Visitor Engagement Associate here for almost two years. My first experience at PS1 though was about four years ago at the Art Book Fair. It was still really warm, it's in September every year. And I just have this one memory of sitting out in the courtyard and air conditioning water from the window units in the offices on the third floor was like dripping on me because it was the only little square of space I could find. And just like people watching the massive crowds and I just moved to New York so I felt very cool. And so that's what I've always really loved about PS1. That's like in its bones and its history is this like alternative space. Yeah. It's a really fun place to visit and then maybe even more fun to work here.

The Courtyard

Emily:Hello, give me one second.Bobby:How do you think the sound is in here?Emily:Now we're standing on the third floor after exploring the William Kentridge piece. It's called Stair Procession and it's been here since 2000.Bobby:Once you're in this space, you have this large window that illuminates the walls and the walls are white. And then there's these black anamorphic figures. If you look closely, you can tell that it's made of construction paper, which again is a nod to [inaudible 00:00:40] being a school.Emily:William Kentridge grew up in South Africa, during the time of the apartheid. And his parents were lawyers that were working to help people and be able to free them from the horrors that were happening at that time. So that kind of really heavily influenced him and his artwork.Bobby:There's a theme of overlapping lines that kind of look like a cage. So this gate right here, which is normally used to divide the up and down, this fence, you kind of like looking at someone with a barrier between you.Emily:Really no matter what angle you look at the piece, you're looking at some characters through this caging of the staircase and it makes you see the dehumanization of these people during the apartheid and during this procession and movement.Bobby:Also, back in the day, I know it was back in school when I was a public schooler, it was divided by boys and girls. So boys had one staircase and girls had another staircase. What I really appreciate about the artist's interventions is that it really incorporate the space more than you think. It's not just artwork that's in a staircase, it's artwork that's in a staircase because it helps exemplify this feeling of segregation.

Emily: Hello, give me one second. Bobby: How do you think the sound is in here? Emily: Now we're standing on the third floor after exploring the William Kentridge piece. It's called Stair Procession and it's been here since 2000. Bobby: Once you're in this space, you have this large window that illuminates the walls and the walls are white. And then there's these black anamorphic figures. If you look closely, you can tell that it's made of construction paper, which again is a nod to [inaudible 00:00:40] being a school. Emily: William Kentridge grew up in South Africa, during the time of the apartheid. And his parents were lawyers that were working to help people and be able to free them from the horrors that were happening at that time. So that kind of really heavily influenced him and his artwork. Bobby: There's a theme of overlapping lines that kind of look like a cage. So this gate right here, which is normally used to divide the up and down, this fence, you kind of like looking at someone with a barrier between you. Emily: Really no matter what angle you look at the piece, you're looking at some characters through this caging of the staircase and it makes you see the dehumanization of these people during the apartheid and during this procession and movement. Bobby: Also, back in the day, I know it was back in school when I was a public schooler, it was divided by boys and girls. So boys had one staircase and girls had another staircase. What I really appreciate about the artist's interventions is that it really incorporate the space more than you think. It's not just artwork that's in a staircase, it's artwork that's in a staircase because it helps exemplify this feeling of segregation.

Stair Procession

Lizzie:Now we're standing inside underneath Meeting by James Turrell. I get asked all the time.Bobby:Is that really a hole in the wall?Lizzie:Is that a window?Bobby:Is there glass?Lizzie:Is that a door?Bobby:Is that a video?Lizzie:No. It is an actual hole in the ceiling that is open to the air, open to the elements.Bobby:Another question is what do you do when it rains. Of course we close it.Emmanuel:What's cool about it is that you get to see the sky for essentially what it is. You just see that pure color.Bobby:James Turrell played with line and perspective to fool your eye into making it look paper thin. The way that he did that was by shaving the plane of the ceiling to meet the edge of the hole. What he does, he frames the sky to make it look as if it's within reach, like this tranquility is in reach for you. Be happy. Who knows.Emmanuel:	Something I often notice is that there's this crazy, intense silence that happens when I go in there with ... It doesn't matter how big the group is. Once we hit Turrell, I've always noticed that people will just, like somebody hit the mute button or something. It's always interesting because it's like, now hearing that sort of sound I guess, or lack of, it really shows this strange power that Meeting has. It demands your focus.

Lizzie: Now we're standing inside underneath Meeting by James Turrell. I get asked all the time. Bobby: Is that really a hole in the wall? Lizzie: Is that a window? Bobby: Is there glass? Lizzie: Is that a door? Bobby: Is that a video? Lizzie: No. It is an actual hole in the ceiling that is open to the air, open to the elements. Bobby: Another question is what do you do when it rains. Of course we close it. Emmanuel: What's cool about it is that you get to see the sky for essentially what it is. You just see that pure color. Bobby: James Turrell played with line and perspective to fool your eye into making it look paper thin. The way that he did that was by shaving the plane of the ceiling to meet the edge of the hole. What he does, he frames the sky to make it look as if it's within reach, like this tranquility is in reach for you. Be happy. Who knows. Emmanuel:	 Something I often notice is that there's this crazy, intense silence that happens when I go in there with ... It doesn't matter how big the group is. Once we hit Turrell, I've always noticed that people will just, like somebody hit the mute button or something. It's always interesting because it's like, now hearing that sort of sound I guess, or lack of, it really shows this strange power that Meeting has. It demands your focus.

Meeting

Bobby:But the name of this piece is the Hole at P.S.1.Emmanuel:Also known as Fifth Solar Chthonic Wall Temple.Nora:What is, I don't even know what the word Chthonic means.Bobby:Neither do I, but I'm sure we'll know after this.Nora:I know. I guess we'll have to look it up.Lizzie:We're standing in front of the Hole at P.S.1 and it looks exactly like a hole in the wall. It's sort of almond shape. But if you look really far through the hole, you can actually see a very small opening out of the actual building.Emmanuel:Basically, he saw this hole poking through the wall. So at one point he decided what if I just make this hole bigger? And so he did.Lizzie:He was sort of interested in negative space as sculpture, so shaping objects so that they would sort of make sculpture out of the space that they were in. And that's exactly what he's done with the Hole at P.S.1. The building at the time, dusty, water everywhere. Again, they were trying to clean up this building that had been abandoned for so long.Bobby:So if you just imagine there's no white walls, everything's darker, everything's more dirty, it's less professional. It's less clean. It's less made for the public.Lizzie:When the sunlight would line up perfectly with the hole, there would be this huge beam of light that would come in through this hole. It would reflect off of the dust in the air and the water on the floor. It would sort of fill the space with these particles that you couldn't see until the light was shining perfectly into the hole.Bobby:There's also a lot of sexual reference in this piece.Emmanuel:It's supposed to give the sense that you're going through a birth canal.Bobby:Very vaginal and phallic, phallic being with the ray of light and vaginal with the almond shape of the hole.Lizzie:It's shining this new light into P.S.1. and it's this sort of symbolic rebirth of the building into this new space.Emmanuel:Chthonic or Chthonic, however you want to pronounce it, actually means that it's relating or pertaining to the underworld. So it was him trying to break out and trying to reach maybe Olympus or just break out of the underworld altogether.

Bobby: But the name of this piece is the Hole at P.S.1. Emmanuel: Also known as Fifth Solar Chthonic Wall Temple. Nora: What is, I don't even know what the word Chthonic means. Bobby: Neither do I, but I'm sure we'll know after this. Nora: I know. I guess we'll have to look it up. Lizzie: We're standing in front of the Hole at P.S.1 and it looks exactly like a hole in the wall. It's sort of almond shape. But if you look really far through the hole, you can actually see a very small opening out of the actual building. Emmanuel: Basically, he saw this hole poking through the wall. So at one point he decided what if I just make this hole bigger? And so he did. Lizzie: He was sort of interested in negative space as sculpture, so shaping objects so that they would sort of make sculpture out of the space that they were in. And that's exactly what he's done with the Hole at P.S.1. The building at the time, dusty, water everywhere. Again, they were trying to clean up this building that had been abandoned for so long. Bobby: So if you just imagine there's no white walls, everything's darker, everything's more dirty, it's less professional. It's less clean. It's less made for the public. Lizzie: When the sunlight would line up perfectly with the hole, there would be this huge beam of light that would come in through this hole. It would reflect off of the dust in the air and the water on the floor. It would sort of fill the space with these particles that you couldn't see until the light was shining perfectly into the hole. Bobby: There's also a lot of sexual reference in this piece. Emmanuel: It's supposed to give the sense that you're going through a birth canal. Bobby: Very vaginal and phallic, phallic being with the ray of light and vaginal with the almond shape of the hole. Lizzie: It's shining this new light into P.S.1. and it's this sort of symbolic rebirth of the building into this new space. Emmanuel: Chthonic or Chthonic, however you want to pronounce it, actually means that it's relating or pertaining to the underworld. So it was him trying to break out and trying to reach maybe Olympus or just break out of the underworld altogether.

The Hole at P.S.1, Fifth Solar Chthonic Wall Temple

Bobby:Hi, my name is Bobby Pache and I work with the Visitor Engagement Team here at MoMA PS1. So if I was to talk about my favorite space, it would probably not be any of these pieces I mentioned. I also really like the elevator, the elevators massive, kind of grandiose feeling. It kind of makes you feel small, even though I'm a six foot man that's 220 pounds. I feel really small on this elevator and it's because the elevator's probably the height, or maybe a little bit shorter of the actual floors. I remember one time there was a light show exhibit and they put lights in the elevator too so it had this awesome experience of the semi reflective metal material was reflecting these neon lights and you just have this fun, cute little moment in the elevator between floors.	So another artist that exhibited at MoMA PS1 was Jim Ferraro and he actually designed audio tracks to be played in the elevator, which was kind of awesome. So the visitors would come into the elevator, they would travel for a floor or two, and they'd actually be listening to some like interesting tracks curated by the artists. So it's this really nice way to like kind of enrich the experience no matter what part of the building you were in. Since we're on the elevator topic, another artist that we have to mention is this long name, Longmont Potion Castle. So the work that he inputted into the elevator was also audio, but they were prank calls. So you get into the elevator, you would just travel a floor or two and you would hear these kind of insane pranks that would be happening and you would leave the elevator laughing hysterically.

Bobby: Hi, my name is Bobby Pache and I work with the Visitor Engagement Team here at MoMA PS1. So if I was to talk about my favorite space, it would probably not be any of these pieces I mentioned. I also really like the elevator, the elevators massive, kind of grandiose feeling. It kind of makes you feel small, even though I'm a six foot man that's 220 pounds. I feel really small on this elevator and it's because the elevator's probably the height, or maybe a little bit shorter of the actual floors. I remember one time there was a light show exhibit and they put lights in the elevator too so it had this awesome experience of the semi reflective metal material was reflecting these neon lights and you just have this fun, cute little moment in the elevator between floors. 	So another artist that exhibited at MoMA PS1 was Jim Ferraro and he actually designed audio tracks to be played in the elevator, which was kind of awesome. So the visitors would come into the elevator, they would travel for a floor or two, and they'd actually be listening to some like interesting tracks curated by the artists. So it's this really nice way to like kind of enrich the experience no matter what part of the building you were in. Since we're on the elevator topic, another artist that we have to mention is this long name, Longmont Potion Castle. So the work that he inputted into the elevator was also audio, but they were prank calls. So you get into the elevator, you would just travel a floor or two and you would hear these kind of insane pranks that would be happening and you would leave the elevator laughing hysterically.

The Elevator

MoMA PS1's new podcast features interviews with musicians from Warm Up 2016. Curators sit down with a selection of artists to discuss their process, their inspiration, sounds that excite them, and what's to come.

At the beginning of the exhibition, you enter a bright, white gallery with a spare doorway at the center of the far wall, directly in front of you. Above the doorway, a mustard-yellow, vinyl banner extends wall-to-wall, and reads THE AIDS CRISIS IS STILL BEGINNING in bold, ketchup-red, all-caps, san-serif font. Below the yellow banner, the spare doorway frames a vintage wheeled derby car in the next room. Low on the walls, near the floor, a sharp, thin, red vinyl line runs the perimeter of the gallery. This red stripe, which might recall a racing stripe, refers to the derbycar. It runs throughout the exhibition.  In this next gallery, the derby car sits at the center on a white plinth or base. The bottom of the plinth is encircled by the same sharp, thin, red vinyl line that also runs the room’s perimeter. The plinth isn’t quite a standard rectangle; it is angled and leans backwards. The shape suggests the car’s forward movement and velocity. The top of the plinth, on which the car sits, is a dark gray.I’ll describe the other items in the room, and then return to the car for a more detailed description.On the gallery’s far wall, behind the car, hangs a small, framed newspaper clipping of a young Gregg Bordowitz racing another child in a derby car with the headline “To the Roar of the Crowd.” A navy blue first-place ribbon and red second-place ribbon flank the clipping.On the adjacent wall, to the car’s right, hangs an analog clock under vinyl letters that read “CAPE TOWN.” Directly across from this, on the wall to the car’s left, hangs another analog clock under vinyl letters that read “NEW YORK.”Face the wall where you entered, your back to the car, and two framed images hang to the left of the doorway. One is a flyer for the 2002 exhibition at the Museum of Contemporary art called Gregg Bordowitz: Drive. A graphic of the derby car predominates in the center.The framed image to the right of this features text from the artist under the heading “The Effort to Survive AIDS Considered from the Point of View of a Race-Car Driver.”The car’s shape recalls a phallus, with a long, straight shaft and rounded tip. It stands on sets of disk-shaped wheels at the nose and rear, about the size of dinner plates and attached to the car by protruding, rusty, brown metal wings. The body itself is composed of an aged, silver metal with a decal of three red lines running horizontally along both sides. The line loops around the rear and concludes with arrows at the car’s nose. The car is covered in a number of big, colorful decals with logos for pharmaceutical companies.If we stand directly in front of the car, the first wheel on the left side is red, with the word PATENTS written in arched, bold, white, all-caps, san-serif font. The back wheel is green with arched text that reads GENERICS in the same font. On the car’s right side, these same wheels swap positions, the green wheel at the front and the red wheel at the back.On top of the car, set back from the nose, a large, white, circular decal with a thin black border reads the number ‘40’ in a bold, black font. The metal wing connecting the front left wheel has a horizontal, white decal that reads HIV+ in a bold, red font, a sticker that reappears on the back right wing.

At the beginning of the exhibition, you enter a bright, white gallery with a spare doorway at the center of the far wall, directly in front of you. Above the doorway, a mustard-yellow, vinyl banner extends wall-to-wall, and reads THE AIDS CRISIS IS STILL BEGINNING in bold, ketchup-red, all-caps, san-serif font. Below the yellow banner, the spare doorway frames a vintage wheeled derby car in the next room. Low on the walls, near the floor, a sharp, thin, red vinyl line runs the perimeter of the gallery. This red stripe, which might recall a racing stripe, refers to the derbycar. It runs throughout the exhibition. In this next gallery, the derby car sits at the center on a white plinth or base. The bottom of the plinth is encircled by the same sharp, thin, red vinyl line that also runs the room’s perimeter. The plinth isn’t quite a standard rectangle; it is angled and leans backwards. The shape suggests the car’s forward movement and velocity. The top of the plinth, on which the car sits, is a dark gray. I’ll describe the other items in the room, and then return to the car for a more detailed description. On the gallery’s far wall, behind the car, hangs a small, framed newspaper clipping of a young Gregg Bordowitz racing another child in a derby car with the headline “To the Roar of the Crowd.” A navy blue first-place ribbon and red second-place ribbon flank the clipping. On the adjacent wall, to the car’s right, hangs an analog clock under vinyl letters that read “CAPE TOWN.” Directly across from this, on the wall to the car’s left, hangs another analog clock under vinyl letters that read “NEW YORK.” Face the wall where you entered, your back to the car, and two framed images hang to the left of the doorway. One is a flyer for the 2002 exhibition at the Museum of Contemporary art called Gregg Bordowitz: Drive. A graphic of the derby car predominates in the center. The framed image to the right of this features text from the artist under the heading “The Effort to Survive AIDS Considered from the Point of View of a Race-Car Driver.” The car’s shape recalls a phallus, with a long, straight shaft and rounded tip. It stands on sets of disk-shaped wheels at the nose and rear, about the size of dinner plates and attached to the car by protruding, rusty, brown metal wings. The body itself is composed of an aged, silver metal with a decal of three red lines running horizontally along both sides. The line loops around the rear and concludes with arrows at the car’s nose. The car is covered in a number of big, colorful decals with logos for pharmaceutical companies. If we stand directly in front of the car, the first wheel on the left side is red, with the word PATENTS written in arched, bold, white, all-caps, san-serif font. The back wheel is green with arched text that reads GENERICS in the same font. On the car’s right side, these same wheels swap positions, the green wheel at the front and the red wheel at the back. On top of the car, set back from the nose, a large, white, circular decal with a thin black border reads the number ‘40’ in a bold, black font. The metal wing connecting the front left wheel has a horizontal, white decal that reads HIV+ in a bold, red font, a sticker that reappears on the back right wing.

Drive

In this gallery, the thin, red, vinyl line continues along the perimeter. A neat row of six, medium-size, colorless self-portraits hang on adjacent walls, three on one wall and three on the other. Each portrait consists of graphite on paper, and was drawn on a different day in October of 1996—the year that a new lifesaving HIV medication became available. They are all self-portraits of the artist, who stares directly ahead, holding the gaze of the viewer. He made them while looking in a mirror.Moving along the wall from left to right, the first portrait depicts the artist, a white Jewish man, wearing a shirt with a casually lax collar, his head turned slightly to his right, showing only his left ear. He has short parted hair that’s cut close on the sides, the graphite darker around his ear to indicate an undercut. His thick brows slant toward each other, as if in frustration or concentration. The bridge of his nose is vertical and narrow with a bulging tip, almost like a deflated balloon. One nostril flares. His lips are tight. Across his collar and neck the artist has written the date: 10-2-96.The next portrait on this wall depicts the artist's head and neck as one, singular, rectangle-like shape protruding from his t-shirt collar. His head is turned to his left, in semi-profile, showing only his right ear. He has short, parted, combed-down hair filled in all over. Like the first portrait, his heavy brows lean toward each other, but only slightly. Wrinkle lines frame his eyes, mouth, and detail his neck. Sparse lines also indicate a sharp jaw. His lips are pursed, shorter in length than in the first portrait, his eyes closer together, his pupils big and dark. The date 10-4-96 is written across his chest.In the next portrait the artist looks straight-on, his head tilted upward, his brows arched and raised as if surprised, his lips parted so that his top teeth peek out. His hair is short and messy, his nose upturned, showing his dark nostrils. Brief lines frame his eyes and chin, and his cheeks are smooth and blank. No shirt or top is depicted. The date 10-5-96 is written across his neck.On the adjacent wall, the first portrait finds the artist again in semi-profile, his head turned to his left, revealing only his right ear. He leans his head slightly downward with his pupils raised, looking in front of himself. His hair is short and casually messy, and one long strand falls between his eyes. His brows are heavy. His nose is flattened, so that the curved wrinkle lines above his mouth seem to ripple from his nostrils. A trio of wrinkle lines stack on his forehead, and more wrinkle lines emphasize his eye sockets. His philtrum, the groove between his nose and upper lip, is pronounced with a single gesture. His lips are tight. Across the collar of his t-shirt, the artist has written the date 10-6-96.In the second portrait on this wall, the artist looks squarely at you with a blank expression. His short hair is swept back, and his jaw is handsomely defined, almost geometric and nearly in line with the width of his wide, nacked neck. His brows are heavy, angled toward each other slightly, and hook at his temples. The vertical bridge of his nose concludes with round nostrils and, below them, a small oval-shaped gesture defines his philtrum. Soft, sparse lines detail his forehead and cheekbones, and shading across the lower half of his face suggests a five o’clock shadow and pronounced chin. The date 10-9-96 is written across his neck.

In this gallery, the thin, red, vinyl line continues along the perimeter. A neat row of six, medium-size, colorless self-portraits hang on adjacent walls, three on one wall and three on the other. Each portrait consists of graphite on paper, and was drawn on a different day in October of 1996—the year that a new lifesaving HIV medication became available. They are all self-portraits of the artist, who stares directly ahead, holding the gaze of the viewer. He made them while looking in a mirror. Moving along the wall from left to right, the first portrait depicts the artist, a white Jewish man, wearing a shirt with a casually lax collar, his head turned slightly to his right, showing only his left ear. He has short parted hair that’s cut close on the sides, the graphite darker around his ear to indicate an undercut. His thick brows slant toward each other, as if in frustration or concentration. The bridge of his nose is vertical and narrow with a bulging tip, almost like a deflated balloon. One nostril flares. His lips are tight. Across his collar and neck the artist has written the date: 10-2-96. The next portrait on this wall depicts the artist's head and neck as one, singular, rectangle-like shape protruding from his t-shirt collar. His head is turned to his left, in semi-profile, showing only his right ear. He has short, parted, combed-down hair filled in all over. Like the first portrait, his heavy brows lean toward each other, but only slightly. Wrinkle lines frame his eyes, mouth, and detail his neck. Sparse lines also indicate a sharp jaw. His lips are pursed, shorter in length than in the first portrait, his eyes closer together, his pupils big and dark. The date 10-4-96 is written across his chest. In the next portrait the artist looks straight-on, his head tilted upward, his brows arched and raised as if surprised, his lips parted so that his top teeth peek out. His hair is short and messy, his nose upturned, showing his dark nostrils. Brief lines frame his eyes and chin, and his cheeks are smooth and blank. No shirt or top is depicted. The date 10-5-96 is written across his neck. On the adjacent wall, the first portrait finds the artist again in semi-profile, his head turned to his left, revealing only his right ear. He leans his head slightly downward with his pupils raised, looking in front of himself. His hair is short and casually messy, and one long strand falls between his eyes. His brows are heavy. His nose is flattened, so that the curved wrinkle lines above his mouth seem to ripple from his nostrils. A trio of wrinkle lines stack on his forehead, and more wrinkle lines emphasize his eye sockets. His philtrum, the groove between his nose and upper lip, is pronounced with a single gesture. His lips are tight. Across the collar of his t-shirt, the artist has written the date 10-6-96. In the second portrait on this wall, the artist looks squarely at you with a blank expression. His short hair is swept back, and his jaw is handsomely defined, almost geometric and nearly in line with the width of his wide, nacked neck. His brows are heavy, angled toward each other slightly, and hook at his temples. The vertical bridge of his nose concludes with round nostrils and, below them, a small oval-shaped gesture defines his philtrum. Soft, sparse lines detail his forehead and cheekbones, and shading across the lower half of his face suggests a five o’clock shadow and pronounced chin. The date 10-9-96 is written across his neck.

Self Portraits In Mirror

In this next gallery, the thin, red, vinyl line continues along the perimeter. Though most of the gallery is white, Bordowitz has painted a large section in the right-hand corner with red-ish brown paint, a color calling to mind a dark terracotta or rust, or blood. The color extends from the corner of the gallery to fill about one-third of the two adjacent walls. It stops abruptly with a sharp, clean edge. In this corner stands a short white sculpture of stacked paper plates coated in a thick white plaster. The sculpture stands about 3 feet or 1 meter tall, comparable to the height of a young child, on a disc-shaped platform of the same dark terracotta color. The platform’s rim is encircled by the same red line.The sculpture has a wide base and narrows at the top. The tip resembles a large bone protruding from the pile of plates.On the walls around the sculpture the artist has made a freehand drawing interpreting Scottish philosopher David Hume’s essays “A Treatise of Human Nature: Book II: The Passions.” The drawing is based on a diagram Bordowitz made in his notebook.The artist’s diagram consists of big, scratchy, all-caps text and wobbly curves and lines in mostly royal blue, with flashes of white and gray.An infinity symbol hovers at the center of the drawing, about two-thirds of the way up the wall.  Its curves are an overlapping of gray and blue and its intersection point is exactly where the walls meet. Down the center, bisecting the halves of the infinity symbol, a wobbly line extends from just above the symbol to about a third of the way to the floor, stopping at the top of the paper-plate sculpture. Here, the vertical line diverges into two wobbly horizontal lines extending about halfway across both walls' dark terracotta sections, creating an upside down T. At the top point of the upside down T, a skull is drawn, like the head of a scepter. Above the skull, near the gallery ceiling, the artist has written SYMPATHY, in a scratchy, white all-caps with royal blue accents. A series of words encircle the infinity symbol’s loops, including the words PRIDE, SELF, LOVE, and OTHER. Cradled inside both loops are the words HUMILITY and HATE. Along the T’s spine, the artist has written the word SENSATION. At the end points of the upside-down T’s horizontal line are written the words AGREEABLE and UNEASY. In the open space between the infinity symbol and the horizontal line are royal blue left and right handprints with white specks. The handprints, nearly parallel to one another, look at each other from their respective walls.On the left terracotta section, along its edge, a column of individual scribbles transitions from dark royal blue, to a brighter royal blue, to turquoise, to white, like a vertical color scale. In this same section, the words “BOOK II OF THE PASSIONS DAVID HUME A TREATISE OF HUMAN UNDERSTANDING NATURE” are written in large, all-caps, royal blue and surround the curve of the infinity symbol. The word “UNDERSTANDING” is struck through.On the right terracotta section, a column of word pairs run along the edge. The words in each pair are separated by greater than and less than symbols between them, resembling butterfly wings. The word pairs are: VICE&gt;

In this next gallery, the thin, red, vinyl line continues along the perimeter. Though most of the gallery is white, Bordowitz has painted a large section in the right-hand corner with red-ish brown paint, a color calling to mind a dark terracotta or rust, or blood. The color extends from the corner of the gallery to fill about one-third of the two adjacent walls. It stops abruptly with a sharp, clean edge. In this corner stands a short white sculpture of stacked paper plates coated in a thick white plaster. The sculpture stands about 3 feet or 1 meter tall, comparable to the height of a young child, on a disc-shaped platform of the same dark terracotta color. The platform’s rim is encircled by the same red line. The sculpture has a wide base and narrows at the top. The tip resembles a large bone protruding from the pile of plates. On the walls around the sculpture the artist has made a freehand drawing interpreting Scottish philosopher David Hume’s essays “A Treatise of Human Nature: Book II: The Passions.” The drawing is based on a diagram Bordowitz made in his notebook. The artist’s diagram consists of big, scratchy, all-caps text and wobbly curves and lines in mostly royal blue, with flashes of white and gray. An infinity symbol hovers at the center of the drawing, about two-thirds of the way up the wall. Its curves are an overlapping of gray and blue and its intersection point is exactly where the walls meet. Down the center, bisecting the halves of the infinity symbol, a wobbly line extends from just above the symbol to about a third of the way to the floor, stopping at the top of the paper-plate sculpture. Here, the vertical line diverges into two wobbly horizontal lines extending about halfway across both walls' dark terracotta sections, creating an upside down T. At the top point of the upside down T, a skull is drawn, like the head of a scepter. Above the skull, near the gallery ceiling, the artist has written SYMPATHY, in a scratchy, white all-caps with royal blue accents. A series of words encircle the infinity symbol’s loops, including the words PRIDE, SELF, LOVE, and OTHER. Cradled inside both loops are the words HUMILITY and HATE. Along the T’s spine, the artist has written the word SENSATION. At the end points of the upside-down T’s horizontal line are written the words AGREEABLE and UNEASY. In the open space between the infinity symbol and the horizontal line are royal blue left and right handprints with white specks. The handprints, nearly parallel to one another, look at each other from their respective walls. On the left terracotta section, along its edge, a column of individual scribbles transitions from dark royal blue, to a brighter royal blue, to turquoise, to white, like a vertical color scale. In this same section, the words “BOOK II OF THE PASSIONS DAVID HUME A TREATISE OF HUMAN UNDERSTANDING NATURE” are written in large, all-caps, royal blue and surround the curve of the infinity symbol. The word “UNDERSTANDING” is struck through. On the right terracotta section, a column of word pairs run along the edge. The words in each pair are separated by greater than and less than symbols between them, resembling butterfly wings. The word pairs are: VICE&gt;

Kairsergruft

In this final gallery, the thin, red, vinyl line continues along the perimeter. At the center of the gallery stands an elaborate vertical monument standing about 7 feet or 2 meters tall and surrounded, at its base, by neatly laid white sand bags that form a circle. The monument, combining religious and protest imagery, consists of a tall, wide, flat, column, curved inward around an elaborate scene made of fragile materials such as papier-mâché, bandages, polystyrene foam, chicken wire, and plaster of paris. The scene swells up on a craggy, foamy mountain with protruding, tambourine-like disks and large spheres.In the scene, a baby-size, winged cherub hovers near the top of the column and drives a long spear into a fully inverted, human figure with their arms and legs flailing and their back arched. The figure, representing a demon, wears casual pants and a long sleeve t-shirt.Beside the demon, slightly higher on the mountain of shapes but below the hovering cherub, sits a figure in a medical mask and casual pants, a long-sleeve t-shirt, and shoes. The seated figure holds a large, blank white protest sign that nearly touches the ceiling, extending above the curved column, and rests one foot on a large, protruding sphere about the size of a beach ball.The monument is predominately a cold white that verges on an icy purple, with abundant strokes of navy blue that suggest shadows and add dimension, like a three-dimensional graphite drawing. A flat, bright yellow shape similar to a torso with large, padded shoulders and topped by a basketball-sized sphere, looms over the scene, part of the curved column like the back of a throne and popping against its white and navy blue surroundings.Circle the monument, and a cluster of large spheres and piles of tambourine-like discs protrude from its otherwise smooth, curved back. At one point, a bare foot protrudes. While, like on the rest of the monument, white predominates, the back of the curved column features abundant swaths and splashes of bright yellow and navy blue. Foamy shapes gather at the base, touching the sandbags.Standing in front of the monument, the left wall of the gallery features a protruding row of white spheres all large but varied in size. While one sphere, about the size of a beach ball, is single, the others are clustered together like conjoined bubbles or bulbous clouds.To hear more from the artist on this work, scroll down the next audio track.

In this final gallery, the thin, red, vinyl line continues along the perimeter. At the center of the gallery stands an elaborate vertical monument standing about 7 feet or 2 meters tall and surrounded, at its base, by neatly laid white sand bags that form a circle. The monument, combining religious and protest imagery, consists of a tall, wide, flat, column, curved inward around an elaborate scene made of fragile materials such as papier-mâché, bandages, polystyrene foam, chicken wire, and plaster of paris. The scene swells up on a craggy, foamy mountain with protruding, tambourine-like disks and large spheres. In the scene, a baby-size, winged cherub hovers near the top of the column and drives a long spear into a fully inverted, human figure with their arms and legs flailing and their back arched. The figure, representing a demon, wears casual pants and a long sleeve t-shirt. Beside the demon, slightly higher on the mountain of shapes but below the hovering cherub, sits a figure in a medical mask and casual pants, a long-sleeve t-shirt, and shoes. The seated figure holds a large, blank white protest sign that nearly touches the ceiling, extending above the curved column, and rests one foot on a large, protruding sphere about the size of a beach ball. The monument is predominately a cold white that verges on an icy purple, with abundant strokes of navy blue that suggest shadows and add dimension, like a three-dimensional graphite drawing. A flat, bright yellow shape similar to a torso with large, padded shoulders and topped by a basketball-sized sphere, looms over the scene, part of the curved column like the back of a throne and popping against its white and navy blue surroundings. Circle the monument, and a cluster of large spheres and piles of tambourine-like discs protrude from its otherwise smooth, curved back. At one point, a bare foot protrudes. While, like on the rest of the monument, white predominates, the back of the curved column features abundant swaths and splashes of bright yellow and navy blue. Foamy shapes gather at the base, touching the sandbags. Standing in front of the monument, the left wall of the gallery features a protruding row of white spheres all large but varied in size. While one sphere, about the size of a beach ball, is single, the others are clustered together like conjoined bubbles or bulbous clouds. To hear more from the artist on this work, scroll down the next audio track.

Pestäule

In this episode, Jace Clayton (DJ /rupture) talks with Yulan Grant, a.k.a. SHYBOI, about Jamaican soundclash, the state of club culture in New York, #KUNQ, and her zine BD GRMMR.

Episode 4: SHYBOI

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Episode 1: Deantoni Parks

Juliana Huxtable

MoMA PS1 Associate Curator Jenny Schlenzka sits down with Juliana Huxtable to discuss Huxtable's interest in young rappers from Chicago, the dance party "Shock Value" she co-founded, and her gospel music influences.

Episode 3: Juliana Huxtable

Matt Werth sits down with Sherard Ingram, a.k.a. DJ Stingray, to discuss the man behind the mask, the birth of techno in Detroit, and Ingram's involvement with the mysterious electronic music duo Drexciya.

Episode 2: DJ Stingray

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