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Into the Bytecode

Into the Bytecode is a podcast about the ideas shaping crypto. Sina Habibian previously worked on ecosystem development at the Ethereum Foundation.Website for other episodes: intothebytecode.xyzNewsletter for updates: bytecode.substack.comTwitter: twitter.com/sinahab

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Jango & Nnnnicholas: Juicebox, programming internet-native organizations

This is my conversation with Jango and Nnnnicholas from Juicebox Protocol. Juicebox is a playful but ambitious project: the DAO operates as a full-stack instantiation of the protocol it's building, and fully reconceptualizes the relationship between contributors and shareholders. It has powered projects like SharkDAO, ConstitutionDAO, and AssangeDAO in the past.Timestamps:0:00 intro1:37 an alternative to traditional org structures9:53 philosophical alignment27:30 the key mechanisms of the Juicebox Protocol35:51 fundraising mechanics and the extensibility of Juicebox v246:05 a DAOs’s origins shape its culture54:46 guiding principles for compensation1:02:06 working backwards from the future1:12:11 the subtraction philosophy and Ethereum as the Big Bang1:31:25 StudioDAO and models for permissionless DAOsRelevant links:Jango - https://twitter.com/me_jangoNnnnicolas - https://twitter.com/nnnnicholasJuicebox - https://juicebox.money/Nouns - https://nouns.wtf/StudioDAO - https://www.studiodao.xyz/Juicecast podcast about StudioDAO - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-9-kenny-from-studiodao/id1623504302?i=1000576149672

1hr 39mins

28 Sep 2022

Rank #1

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Nadia Asparouhova: on public goods & peer production

Nadia Asparouhova is an independent researcher. She previously wrote about her research on open-source communities in "Working in Public", and more recently, has been researching the history of and approaches to philanthropy - which she defines with this phrase “if venture capital is risk capital for private goods, philanthropy is risk capital for public goods”.In this conversation, we talked about public goods from this broader perspective. We talked about how previous generations have thought about this question, and how the tech ecosystem outside of crypto are grappling with this today. We talked about the second-order effects of wealth booms which have happened in both tech and crypto, how peer production happens, and the role that intrinsic versus extrinsic rewards might play in the development of crypto protocols.Timestamps:0:00 intro2:01 working as an independent researcher6:09 understanding wealth booms in tech and crypto13:01 the unique perspectives of each successive community25:46 the right (and wrong) question to ask34:41 the landscape of public goods provisioning39:22 innovative philanthropic funding models45:35 the first wave of open source communities and crypto54:42 different classes of stakeholders1:05:00 research methodology and tools for thoughtRelevant links:Nadia Asparouhova - https://twitter.com/nayafiaNadia’s website - https://nadia.xyz/“Working in Public” - https://www.amazon.com/dp/0578675862/Gitcoin - https://gitcoin.co/

1hr 15mins

31 Aug 2022

Rank #2

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Julien Niset: Argent, building on StarkNet, and a primer on account abstraction

Julien Niset is the cofounder and Chief Science Officer at Argent, a crypto wallet that's used and loved by many people in the crypto ecosystem.In this conversation, we talk about how Argent has evolved to get to where it is today. How Julien sees user experience evolving broadly in the ecosystem, and what the flow of a new person interacting with a crypto application for the first time might look like in the future.Another topic we get into deeply is L2s, how Julien and Argent have thought about the topic of EVM equivalence and compatibility, and why they ultimately chose to build on ZK Rollups like ZkSync and StarkNet.And lastly, we dive into what has been like to build on StarkNet, what the early community feels like today, what it's been like to write code in Cairo, and as a bit of a snapshot into this experience we do a deep dive into what account abstraction looks like on StarkNet.Timestamps:0:00 intro1:56 leaning into zk rollups and account abstraction7:29 scaling the self-custody experience13:20 what onboarding users to crypto will look like in 3 years20:24 some of the friction points that still need to be abstracted33:52 L2s and the trade-offs between different rollups39:45 is breaking EVM-equivalency worth it?48:01 Julien's experience in the StarkNet ecosystem58:24 a primer on account abstraction1:15:38 session keys1:28:17 starting a sensible wallet set up from scratchRelevant links:Julien Niset: https://twitter.com/jnisetArgent - https://www.argent.xyz/StarkNet - https://starkware.co/starknet/zkSync - https://zksync.io/Topology - https://www.topology.gg/

1hr 34mins

24 Aug 2022

Rank #3

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Pedro Gomes: WalletConnect v2, account abstraction, and building a communications protocol

Pedro Gomes is the cofounder of WalletConnect, a communications protocol that enables wallets and apps to securely connect and interact.In this conversation, We talked about WalletConnect v2 and its architecture, account abstraction, potential downstream effects of a crypto-native chat protocol, and other topics.Timestamps:0:00 intro8:00 developing the user experience before creating the product10:23 account abstraction and the spectrum of security and convenience20:39 WalletConnect APIs and “Log in with Ethereum”28:55 how WalletConnect works37:45 light clients and generalized messaging protocols45:36 the politics of making big changes to the Ethereum protocol50:14 connecting wallets with WalletConnect ChatMentioned in the show:WalletConnect - https://walletconnect.com/EIP2938 (account abstraction) - https://eips.ethereum.org/EIPS/eip-2938WalletConnect APIs - https://docs.walletconnect.com/2.0

1hr 2mins

11 Aug 2022

Rank #4

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Bonus: Zeitgeist season three

Zeitgeist is a laboratory for building crypto-native products/protocols, and is what I've been working on alongside this podcast.We've come together for two seasons in the past with teams you'll be familiar with from this podcast like Sound.xyz and Coordinape, and are bringing together a new cohort of teams for season three later this year. If you're building a new crypto-native product/protocol, get in touch by August 26 to participate: zeitgeist.xyz


10 Aug 2022

Rank #5

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Josh Stark: the Ethereum Foundation & Atoms, Institutions, Blockchains

Here is my conversation with Josh Stark.Josh has a long history in the Ethereum ecosystem going back to the early days of the community. He cofounded one of the first L2 scaling protocols with Counterfactual. He also cofounded ETHGlobal which is a much-loved series of hackathons/events that brings the community together and which acts as an entry point into the ecosystem for many people. And nowadays and most relevant to our conversation, he works in a leadership capacity at the Ethereum Foundation.In this conversation, we talked about two topics: one being the Ethereum Foundation, and two being the question of why blockchain is matter — this being something that Josh has spent a lot of time thinking about and which he's written about in a long form piece titled Atoms Institutions Blockchains.Timestamps:3:50 subtraction7:22 creating a self-sufficient crypto ecosystem12:33 the property of ‘hardness’ for blockchains17:47 understanding decentralization23:11 Atoms, Institutions, Blockchains26:00 blind men and an elephant33:06 our civilization’s infrastructure43:33 digitally-native hardness59:38 how the EF operates1:06:21 challenges with decentralized coordination1:12:08 infinite players have nothing but their namesMentioned in the show:Atoms, Institutions, Blockchains: https://stark.mirror.xyz/n2UpRqwdf7yjuiPKVICPpGoUNeDhlWxGqjulrlpyYi0

1hr 16mins

14 Jun 2022

Rank #6

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0age: Seaport, and protocol development with OpenSea

0age is the Head of Protocol Development at OpenSea, and this was a conversation about Seaport, the new marketplace protocol for buying and selling NFTs.0age takes us through a tour of the Seaport protocol, talking about how it's architected; how conduits and zones work; and we even get into the low level gas optimization work they've done on the contracts. I hope this can be a helpful resource for anyone looking to understand the Seaport protocol or anyone who's building with NFTs more broadly. I also consider 0age to be a true veteran of the space, and hearing him talk through the design of the protocol can be an educational experience in its own rights.Timestamps:1:42 why build Seaport10:20 the Seaport architecture12:44 EIP712 signatures14:17 the global concept of a nonce16:02 EIP1271 and bulk listings17:18 the Executor and conduits25:08 zones, additional rules that can be applied on top of an order29:47 implementing English auctions via zones32:17 layers of the stack36:05 fulfillment40:42 gas optimizations and understanding the low-level behavior of the EVM58:40 the interaction between OpenSea the product and Seaport the protocol01:07:06 criteria based items, and partial fills01:17:50 ideas to build on top of Seaport

1hr 22mins

2 Jun 2022

Rank #7

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Charles St.Louis: Element Finance, and voting vaults as a primitive

Charles St.Louis is the COO at Element Finance, a protocol for fixed and variable rate yield markets and previously the governance architect at MakerDAO. In this conversation, we talked about Element’s governance system - with a particular focus on voting vaults, a powerful new primitive that decouple the relationship between capital and voting power and allow much more expressiveness in how users are given a governance voice in the ecosystem.Timestamps:2:54 MakerDAO’s arc of decentralization7:51 how Maker influenced Element’s design10:22 the Governance Steering Council21:25 voting vaults29:10 L1 and L2 for governance33:23 qualitative evaluation for contributions37:50 the ElFiverse and NFTs in the Element community42:24 on being a protocol delegateMentioned in the show: The Governance Steering Council - https://medium.com/element-finance/the-governance-steering-council-63aea7732262 Voting Vaults - https://docs.element.fi/governance-council/council-protocol-smart-contracts/voting-vaults The Elfiverse - https://elfiverse.element.fi/


24 May 2022

Rank #8

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Henri Stern: Privy, building for data privacy and security

Here is my conversation with Henri Stern who is building Privy.Henri was previously a research scientist at Protocol Labs and worked on Filecoin’s consensus protocol. And after many years of thinking through problems related to data privacy and security, he recently co-founded a new company called Privy where they provide a suite of API tools to store and manage user data off chain.In this conversation, we talked through a set of topics that Henri has a unique point of view on — starting with the question around the seeming trade-off between privacy/security on the one hand and UX/convenience on the other. We talked about principles he has in mind in designing an off-chain data system; how privy does encryption and key management; how they do permissioning; and how they think about data storage.Timestamps: 2:30 - designing the product/protocol roadmap 10:30 - privacy/security vs. convenience 19:27 - building an web3 application 23:20 - decentralizing Privy 32:09 - key management architecture 46:11 - verifiability, transparency as a disinfectant 59:02 - building a product with private data 1:07:08 - cofounder relationship

1hr 15mins

19 May 2022

Rank #9

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Matthew Chaim: Songcamp, immersive digital theatre

Matthew Chaim is building a laboratory experimenting at the edges of music and web3.It's called Songcamp, and right now they're running their third immersive experience. They're coming together with a group of musicians, visual designers, developers, and at the end of this process, will be releasing new music under the moniker of a single headless artist called Chaos.I've been personally completely nerdsniped by Songcamp and think it’s one of the most beautiful corners of our web3 ecosystem.Timestamps: 1:08 - Songcamp a web3 laboratory 3:27 - songwriting camps 6:30 - imaginative language and lore 11:12 - incentive alignment 20:55 - selection and curation 30:31 - immersive digital theatre 36:18 - having fun 38:03 - the power of IRL 43:01 - what’s next 51:37 - economic models for internet-native collectives


5 May 2022

Rank #10