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Knife Collection Videos, Bark River, Boker/Burnley Flipper, Steel Will, Benchmade, the Les George VECP and More — The Knife Junkie Podcast (Episode 87)

On the mid-week supplemental episode of The Knife Junkie podcast, Bob talks about knife collection videos — his and one from Jimmy Slash — as well as the Bark River Knives Kitsune, the Boker / Burnley Flipper, Steel Will Knives (Screamer and the Scylla) and another Gold Class Benchmade Proper, all in the Knife Life News segment.

Bob also talks about his new to him Les George VECP that he bought from Singapore. He gushes over the knife, and also describes the experience of buying a knife from another country. And he wraps up the show talking about a recent visit to a barber shop and how he showed some barbers how to sharpen blades, razors and sheers — or was it they showed him? Anyway, a fun story.

Links to stories, podcast episodes mentioned and the knives covered in the podcast can be found below.

Bark River Knives Kitsune, the Boker / Burnley Flipper, Steel Will Knives (Screamer and the Scylla) and another Gold Class Benchmade Proper -- and that's just in the Knife Life News segment. Lots to enjoy on The Knife Junkie Podcast.
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Announcer 0:03

Welcome to the Knife Junkie podcast your weekly dose of knife news and information about knives and knife collecting. Here's your hosts Jim Person and Bob The Knife Junkie DeMarco.

Jim Person 0:16

Hello Knife Junkie and welcome to episode number 87. It's the midweek supplemental show where Bob and I chat knives, knife news, talk about his collection videos all kinds of knife related stuff. Welcome to the podcast. I'm Jim Person. And I'm Bob DeMarco. Welcome to the podcast. Sorry about all that rambling I did there Bob. I was just so excited to get into the show. I I didn't do our normal intro. But anyway, we've got a lot to talk about. kind of want to talk about some video stuff collection videos. Also knife life news segment this week, some knife related news that we want to talk about. Also, you finally have an update on your less George VCEP that you're getting from or got from Singapore. You finally got that You're going to talk about that as well as the, the experience of buying that as well. So I think that should be someone interesting. So another jam packed show this week.

Bob DeMarco 1:09

Yeah, yeah, Indeed, indeed. Well, so I'll get into it. Straight away. I wanted to talk a minute about collection videos on YouTube. They're very, very popular. And as you know, Jim, I recently did a I've done two of the three projected Cold Steel collection videos that I'm doing. The first one was my folders. That came out a couple weeks ago. Second was my fixed blades, neck knives and belt knives. And then the third will be tomahawks, sword canes, machetes and swords like the other cool. The other cool stuff. Yeah, the Warhammer category. Yeah, all the stuff that they make that's, you know, sort of beyond the pale for most knife companies but is just their bread and butter. Those have been very popular. I put those out. I mean, that People have been asking me to make a cold steel collection video for a little while. So I guess I wasn't surprised but it took me a while to work up to it. But I was that I don't know cuz it's like you gotta you gotta well because I have them spread out I have them some of them in Bug Out Bag something you know my car by the bed and the dresser here there. So you have to bring them all together and of course I don't want to leave any out and and I did. I left out my my little key ring Cold Steel recon one. But anyway, so So I did that video. I did those two videos and they were they're quite popular. And then Jimmy slash one of my favorite YouTubers. I actually got started watching him because he's really into big cold steals. And he's really into entry demo and he has a he has a sprawling collection of custom and ademco and then just a sprawling collection in general. So in doing my videos, I was starting to feel like Geez, this is this is getting out of hand. You know I have a lot And and how do I how am I supposed to justify all of these knives now? And you know that's kind of the that's sort of the thing the the collectors guilt that creeps up on me every once in a while and and then I tuned into Jimmy slashes collection via he he recently has been doing his State of the collection series kind of doing the same thing. And oh my gosh, his collection is intense. He's his collection. Some of his knives he just leaves in the box. He's got so many. And so this started to make me feel like I think I'm okay.

Jim Person 3:37

I need to get some more knives.

Bob DeMarco 3:39

Yeah, I can fit mine pretty much all in this case.

Jim Person 3:41

What's your problem, Bob? Come on, man.

Bob DeMarco 3:44

It's time to catch up. Jimmy slash I love you. I'd love to have you on the show. I reached out to him on Instagram slid into his DMs and I haven't heard back from him. So I'm trying to figure out another way to reach out to him. Anyone knows he has his email let me know. But what a great question. He has and his his collection videos are fun. Everyone's collection videos are fun, Jim. So I'm going to do you know how I did this collection selection the daily videos over the past summer and fall. Yeah, well, I think I'm going to do I stopped kind of four fifths of the way through, there were some more knives and I and then I sort of lost steam on that and was working on some other projects. And now I've been picking back up on the videos but I'm more into the little bit longer form. So I'm thinking I'm going to do a collection video of all of my folders and not including the cold steel folders, all of my kind of non Cold Steel sort of premium things and just do one big video, have it as a catalog and then start start moving some because getting this new visa which I'm going to talk about in a while, has, has got me leaning more towards those kind of

Jim Person 4:55

Alright, so not gonna finish up the the daily collections selection videos where you took one knife at a time but move more toward a specialized collection of videos.

Bob DeMarco 5:07

Well I wouldn't like to say I'm not going to finish that because I feel like I kind of need to play but right now my my video ambitions I don't have much time for it but my video ambitions are more in the in the slightly longer form. So but we'll see

Unknown Speaker 5:23

see where that goes. If you have a suggestion for something you'd like to see on The Knife Junkie, his YouTube channel which is at The Knife Junkie dot com slash YouTube, give us a call at 724-466-4487 724-466-4487 let Bob know what type of video or videos you would like to see on the Knife Junkie YouTube channel

Announcer 5:45

you're listening to the Knife Junkie podcast and now here's The Knife Junkie with the Knife Life News

Bob DeMarco 5:51

A favorite fixed blade knife company bark river knives is coming out with a new Japanese inspired knife hot on the the heels of their Shinigami knife which came out last year. That was a nine inch sort of upswept tanto blade for the outdoors, which is kind of a funny combination but what a you know, bark river knives, they make exceptional outdoor knives and so they put that in the sort of Japanese format and had this incredibly successful nine inch Shinigami. Now they have a super small version of that a 3.7 inch upswept small Japanese style work knife looks kind of like a tanto a traditional tanto called the Kitsune a and Kitsune a incidentally means Fox. And this is a great great looking little knife and so, so what I think is cool and interesting. When they take knives down into this smaller format. This is more like an EDC format 3.7 inches, it's almost four inches so it's it's a smaller fixed blade, something that Carry on you every day. I like when they come down into this format that they switch to CPM 154, nice stainless steel. I love 154 whether it's cm or CPM, it's great for sharpening it stays nice and sharp. And you know, it has great corrosion resistance. It's a great steel, it's a great, great steel. It kind of people kind of look sideways at it sometimes because it's, it's a great steel, but it's not the greatest, you know, it's not, it's not your m 390, or your 20 cv. But 154 to me is the most realistic working steel so they have that in this. And of course, as usual, it's got that beautiful bark river knives, convex grind, and it'll come in a variety of handle and bolster materials. Beautiful, beautiful knife. I'd love to get one of these.

Jim Person 7:49

So a couple of makers, manufacturers that we, you know, regularly talk about but it doesn't seem like we've talked about them too much in the last couple of weeks, weeks Mark river that you just talked about, but also bokor and then still steel wheel that we'll get to in a minute so interesting that some knives are constantly in the news somewhat in the news every you know, every you know, just funny how it works out

Bob DeMarco 8:14

well this time of year to you know everyone's release right and right and many of the companies are getting lots of publicity through the knife purveyor videos that you're seeing on YouTube this time of year at the SHOT Show and whatnot. So anyway, I wanted to talk a little bit about steel will they have they have two new knives Well, they have a number of new knives coming out that are just really cool looking and I know recently they've come out with to me seemed a little bit run of the mill and a little bit deadish so I've been I've been talking a little bit of smack about steel will recently but they're 2020 releases are gorgeous. And two of them I want to I want to talk about one of them is the screamer which is a funny name to me. When I was a kid screamer meant something. So this is a three flipper and it's kind of in the mode of the cut jack. It's got a similar handle but a little bit more stylized, it looks a little bit more ergonomic and it's got this beautiful super functional yet aesthetically, you know, challenging and pleasing blade. It's got a subtle harpoon shape on the front to drop point with that with a harpoon. And it's got this really nice looking opening hold that kind of looks like an angry eye to me. But this thing, it's it's D two, it's kind of in the in their their D two line of things, but it's a G 10 handle and Backspacer and though it looks very stylish, when it comes down to the blade and the blade profile, it looks all utility. So yeah, this is the screamer it's definitely one I want to check out. The other one I really want to check out is called the Scylla. And actually it's got to be there. There are two main reasons I want to check it out. I am a longtime lover of the Odyssey. Homer's Odyssey and Silla was was one of the beasts you know celyn character this character this was the Odysseus had a choice. He could he could steer the boat close to care of this was which was a giant Whirlpool monster or close to the cliffs near sillas cave and so it was this giant six headed monster with long necks and and huge teeth and she would shoot her her head out of the her heads out of a cave and grab men off the ship. So silho is just a nasty nasty monster and the new steel will Scylla is a really cool looking sort of looks like the screamer elongated, but the cool part about it is that it has thumb studs that that allow you to wave it out. So it has an elongated Tang that looks kind of like a friction folder. But there are thumb studs at the end of it and it is a locking knife and those thumb studs at the end of that long Tang helped cam out the blade like So it's a, it's a brand new take on the wave feature. It's called the Scylla, which is just cool. And it's a beautiful looking blade in my 3.7 sort of preferred blade area, you know, in terms of size. So I'm really looking forward to those two releases from steel will.

Jim Person 11:17

Sounds good. Well, you know, I think your history teachers would be proud of you, you're probably have to touch base with them and play some excerpts from the podcast to let them know how you've taken their history lessons and teachings with you throughout your life.

Bob DeMarco 11:30

Well you know, and you know what, Jim, it's like, at a certain point, I was tired of reading these stories my daughters liked and since they also like, stories about heroes and monsters, I was like, Hey, I could I could get them into the Odyssey. I just have to have to save them, you know, bring the language to their level and, and so I got back into it that way.

Jim Person 11:49

Alright, what's next another knife you wanna talk about

Bob DeMarco 11:51

next is the bokor Burnley flipper. Lucas Burnley is a you know knife maker of renown that everyone knows and and Boker really his first boker collaboration, I think it was the first. The quakin really sent him into the stratosphere. Lots of people have that knife. It's beautiful, simple and functional. And he's made a number of knives with them and see CRKT and I'm sure other knife makers, as well as his own custom shop. And as I've spoken about on this podcast in the past, he did something called the Burnley 365 project a few years ago, which I attempted to emulate and failed at, but it was a new and new and cool knife design every day drawn in his notebook for 365 days. And so this new Limited Edition bokor Burnley flipper called the 2028 Afex which is a cool name or collection 2028 afex limited to 500 serial numbered pieces is from that is a design from that Burnley 365 project and it's a beautiful 3 point nine inch you know I love those nearly four inch blades 3.9 inch drop drop point blade with on either side these fillers that act as opening holes and inlaid carbon marble carbon fiber just beautifully sculpted titanium handle. It's It looks like a winner to me. So yeah m 390 steel, sort of a neutral neutral handle grip and it comes with a nylon sheath. Yes, you can pop it on your belt a venture thing but you know poker makes a lot of knives and a lot of very attractive knives but I generally kind of don't gravitate towards buying their knives but this one definitely looks like something I'd like to have.

Jim Person 13:38

Sounds like a possible plan.

Bob DeMarco 13:41

Yeah, yeah. Possible plan.

Jim Person 13:44

Are they already open for purchase or something I imagined they would go quick. You know, if it's a five only 500 run.

Bob DeMarco 13:51

That's exactly not only it Not only that, but they will be pricey, you know, and elusive. And so, but it is an attractive looking And who knows maybe maybe that design trickles down stream and it goes into their more you know into the bokor plus line or something that is more affordable. Speaking of affordable

Jim Person 14:10

transitioning from that to benchmade

Bob DeMarco 14:14

speaking of affordable I just have to mention that benchmade is doing another proper gold class and it now I'm not sure what the price is but the last time the price was to me outrageous but this I gotta say is a beautiful looking proper. I do I generally am not a fan of the gold class. As you know I'm not a fan of too many different patterns materials next to each other on a knife. I call it the the Mr. furley effect Mr. furley from Three's Company. He always had these crazy leisure suits with clashing patterns and to me you have Damascus next to mocha tie Next, you know next to carbon fiber and it's like all these different patterns. It's dizzying on the but for some reason this this new proper This class proper looks good to me. And maybe it's because the hardware the screws are 24 karat gold plated and, and it's got Maroon linen. micarta and to me I have no maroon linen mycarta but you know, I love my kartha and I love Maroon so to me that's beautiful. And then it's got this gold golden silver sold mocha tie, bolster. So and then and then it goes into this crazy damn steel. The moon in pattern neck is munion is one of Oden's Raven ravens, so it's like, you know, so anyway, it all looks beautiful together where ordinarily I'd say this is the Mr. furley effect, but but it is gorgeous. And but I'm sure I won't be paying the several hundreds of dollars, they're going to be asking for it.

Jim Person 15:45

Well, gold and Maroon sounds nice. I don't have a picture of it right in front of me, but that that part sounds pretty

Bob DeMarco 15:52

well, I would say if you're a benchmade Gold class collector, this is definitely This is one you would want

Announcer 15:58

and now that we're caught up with knife life news. Let's hear more of The Knife Junkie podcast.

Jim Person 16:04

All right back on the Knife Junkie podcast kind of wrap up there of some of the knife life news if you want to find more news in the knife industry you can go to The Knife Junkie comm slash news The Knife Junkie comm slash news we aggregate feeds from lots of different places where you can catch some up to about 20 different stories at a time curated right there on our web page at The Knife junkie.com slash news. So next segment, if you will next topic bomb that we want to kind of talk about or get you to talk about is is really two part it's the less George VCEP that you got from Singapore. So before you start talking about the knife, how you love it or how you hated whatever. I want to talk about the buying experience because you got this from Singapore. We've heard you talk about this for a couple of weeks. you wondered if you'd ever get it would it really come through kind of walk us through the experience of buying something from from overseas, if you will.

Bob DeMarco 16:57

Okay, well, just right from the start. I have to say My my trepidation in in this buying experience had nothing to do with the seller he was awesome responsive quick you know everything you want out of a out of someone you're buying a knife from online This was on blade forums. You know he sent me the tracking and everything. My misgiving was knowing that this awesome beautiful knife that I just spent you know a pretty penny on. This is the this is a generation one less George V SAP with stonewashed titanium handle that is absolutely gorgeous. And a black CTS xHp blade, you know, PVD coated blade with an incredible incredible mirror polish that the that the previous owner put on this, my trepidation was that this knife was going to be going through many different hands and X ray machines. And, you know, I was worried that that the less virtuous of the custom customs agents or or maybe The Knife Junkie who's an actual junkie sees this on an X ray machine in some airport between here in Singapore and decides it's got to come home with him. So, in in this buying experience, or actually in looking at other ads this guy had put up for, for selling knives. He had mentioned that he was in Singapore and that it takes 12 days Be patient. I was like 12 days, that's not so bad, I can do that. So I bought the knife and he very, you know, responded very quickly with a tracking number for Singapore Air. And so I started tracking its progress. And the progress was slow, going from airport, kind of in the in in Asia. And then I got this the mysterious but the last the last day to timestamp for travel was it said reached its destination country. And that was that I remember that was on the 28th and I was like okay, so that means it's somewhere in America.

Jim Person 18:57

Okay, the 28th of January. Yes,

Bob DeMarco 18:59

yes. 20th of January. And so I thought, wow, okay, so it's, it's in the States, I hope whoever takes over and starts sending me information. And of course they didn't. And so I just sort of was was patient and sort of like trying to be Zen about it like, Hey, man, it's just money. And, you know, I'll wait several weeks before I email the guy back and see if he if he knows anything, you know, I'm pretty I'm pretty cool that way, I guess. But anyway, 12 days later, the thing shows up. So it was actually 12 days in the states to a day and it arrives at my door. Of course, I wasn't at home, so I had to go to the post office the next day to pick it up. So I breathed the sigh of relief and, and just grateful that the thing arrived. But I also had to, you know, had to make myself Remember, you know, most people along the way are just doing their jobs, right? Well, they're just doing their jobs and they're just moving packages. They probably don't have the time where with all or the or the moral latitude to open up packages to see if there's anything you want. So I had to relax myself I remember just relaxing right and the breath Yeah, trust but verify. And so yeah, take a deep breath the thing arrived and oh my gosh, this has been a Grail for me for a long time. And now I know why. I mean it wasn't just how beautiful it looks because it's a beautiful design. And few years back, I picked up the pro tech rockeye auto which is a an affordable version of this knife basically. But this is so beautifully constructed. And this was it's cool to know this is one of the first examples of a midtech Les George was one of the first guys with this with the VCEP to make a midtech knife. So this went through his hands he sharpened it and all the rest and it is beautiful and it is I have to be 100% honest it is a more it is a similar but more pleasing experience to open and close and to have to this knife as my Sebenza and I love my....

Jim Person 21:07

So just describe the night for me.

Bob DeMarco 21:09

Well, it's got a long, longesh neutral handle neutral meaning there's only one finger choil and it's right at the front and then it's got a downward guard. All sculpted in this titanium the titanium is flat with beautiful chamfers and then the blade itself is a swedge drop point with a long thumb ramp that does not curve upward like an Emerson thumb ramp, but extends straight and flat off the spine of the handle about I don't know, half an inch, three quarters of an inch with with nice with six nice, big jimps, big scallops for your thumb. It's very grippy but does not in any way tear up your thumb. Perfect jimping

Jim Person 21:58

and why was this Such a grale night for you, but what was it about it? What is it about it?

Bob DeMarco 22:04

Well, originally it was the look. Everything about this knife is beautiful to me. All the proportions, all the lines, everything about it. And it's also simple and utilitarian. And once I got it in hand in the form of the rockeye auto from Pro tech, I realized really that it feels as good in hand as it looks. And then I always wanted a Les George version of it to have the original because there were so many people when this first came out, that gushed about it on YouTube, they call it the sebenza killer. Is this the sebenza killer? You know, is this the knife that finally dethrones the greatest? And, you know, of course, there's no definitive answer to that it's all subjective, but to me, this knife hits every spot, visually, the way it feels when you open and close it the way it feels when you grip it and use it and yeah This This knife is way, way up there,

Jim Person 23:02

right do that open one more time for us.

Bob DeMarco 23:06

That's open and then it's got this beautiful hydraulic they call it an a hydraulic field that's sort of like you get a little bit of very smooth resistance when you close it due to the My favorite pivot system, which is phosphor bronze washers just get that nice strong grippy feel I love it

Jim Person 23:28

well look for a video on the Knife Junkie YouTube channel soon that Knife junkie.com slash YouTube and be sure to subscribe and click the little bell notification so that you don't miss any of the Knife Junkie his videos go to The Knife Junkie dot com slash Y T subscribe,

Announcer 23:44

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Bob DeMarco 23:48

So one last thing, Jim. I just wanted to I just wanted to tell you that last weekend I got the opportunity to go to my barber shop and teach show some barbers A little bit about sharpening blades. And one of our first interview guests on the show, good friend of Kurt Zepeda is transitioning over that way. He's been barbering a couple of times a week just on the weekends. And he wants to make that his encore career someday. And he's been going he's been doing this at the barber shop that I've been going to for a few years, which is full of really very talented barbers. It's the coolest blade. You know, they all have giant beards and lots of tattoos, but they're cutting the hairs of senators and business magnates it's kind of neat. But anyway, you get a wicked haircut there I went there to show them how to sort of strap knives and and show them what I know about sharpening scissors and once I got there I realized these guys man they live by their blades. Their blades happened to be hinged chisel cut chisel edge blades that you know that cut hair, but these guys knew a lot and and I was it ended up Just me kind of showing them how I sharpen knives and blades and what they can do to kind of maintain their, their shears in their razor blades. But it was a very interesting experience we've had, you know, we had super steel Steve on and he's another man who lives by his blades. He's a chef, you know. And so he has real life experience with the performance of different steals and different edges and different blades and different, you know, and how it, how it works for him in his career. And here I'm surrounded by barbers this past weekend. And it's a totally different kind of blade. You know, the scissors I just don't think of them often. But they all had their sweet Japanese and German shears that costs the same amount as a Hinderer, you know? And we were we were just waxing poetic about steals and edges and blades and that kind of thing. It was really such a cool experience.

Jim Person 25:52

Did they were they able to teach you some things as well?

Bob DeMarco 25:55

Yes, they were. Yes, they were indeed. You know, I got to seize up close. get to see some of their shares and some of the most impressive ones were hollow ground on the inside it was so cool I I have a couple of pair of barber shears one of them has got to be 50 years old and they're just gnarled up and the other is a cheap pair that I got a few years back you know so so some of the some of the shares these guys have ridges man they're gorgeous and they haven't sharpened they have a guy who comes by and puts beautiful edges on them I was inspecting their their edges and realized they don't they don't have stand to learn much from me but

Jim Person 26:33

it was just kind of cool experience to talk knives and sharpening Yeah, well and like said they like super steel Steve that you mentioned which was Episode Number 80 of the Knife Junkie podcast if you want to hear that you missed it The Knife Junkie dot com slash eight zero like I said he and they barbers live by their their knives, their shares their scissors and razors. Right, right. You get a haircut while you're there.

Bob DeMarco 26:59

I didn't. But a missed opportunity. I will be I will be going back for one. Yeah. And they do great beard trims do and you ever get a straight razor shave Jim?

Jim Person 27:09

No, I have not. I mean I used to use I used to use a an actual razor when I shave but I'd never got one at the barbershop now.

Bob DeMarco 27:17

So sometime it's definitely worth the the experience. It's, as you know, right now in the winter, I have a beard but when it comes off in the spring, which I do every year, I'm going to go there and we're going to have them take it off because I love a straight razor shave. But I haven't had one at this place yet. So look forward to that

Jim Person 27:35

something on the bucket list. Yep. All right. Hey, I think that's gonna about wrap it up for us here on this week's episode of The Knife Junkie podcast. If you want to visit our friends at knife magazine. com you can see the list of upcoming knife shows and things that you want to visit. Don't forget blade show is coming up this summer and I just saw an email. what this past week or so about dates that tickets were going to go on sale so stay tuned lots of stuff going to be happening at blade this year.

Bob DeMarco 28:05

Well we're going to be there Jim and we're going to be wandering around meeting all the people in person that we've talked to on this podcast and and meeting others. I'm so looking forward to it. Because everyone I've met on this show has just been cool in their own way. And we've had great conversations. And it's been such a great experience for me. I look forward to actually shaking their hands and looking at their knives in person and, and, you know, I'm going to have to buy one at least one knife while I'm there.

Jim Person 28:31

Now there you heard it, folks. At least one. Start saving your shekels. Yeah, that's right. All right. That's it for this week the midweek Episode Number 87 of the Knife Junkie podcast we so much appreciate you listening. And if you are not subscribed yet and you happen to have been referred this podcast from a friend or you just found us please it means the world to us if you would subscribe. Leave us a rating and a review. Let us know what you like what you don't like give us some criticism, some feedback. We'd love for you to subscribe and rate and review the podcast so for Bob The Knife Junkie DeMarco I'm Jim the knife newbie person. Thanks for listening

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Jim Cooper of Sharp by COOP Photography — The Knife Junkie Podcast (Episode 86)

Jim Cooper of Sharp by COOP Photography is this week’s featured guest on The Knife Junkie Podcast (episode #86).

Cooper is in an envious spot for many knife junkies … he’s got new knives coming to him on an almost daily basis that he gets to look at and admire, and then photograph in a beautiful way. As he says in the interview, “that itch gets scratched every afternoon.”

He goes through his lighting technique, his four-part process of running a knife photography business, what his daily cardboard cutting knife is and how he became fascinated with knives — and more.

Jim Cooper of Sharp by COOP Photography is this week's guest on The Knife Junkie Podcast. Beautiful knives and beautiful pictures of knives! Does it get any better?
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Jim Cooper 0:00

purchasing of knives is really it has to strike me in it comes very rarely, but that's because that itch is scratched every afternoon. These knives come to my door I get to own them for two three days a week handle them. I photograph them I inspect them their mind for a little while and then I shut them back away and the glory is I don't have to purchase that knife to enjoy it

Announcer 0:29

Welcome to the Knife Junkie podcast your weekly dose of knife news and information about knives and knife collecting. Here's your host Jim Person and Bob The Knife Junkie DeMarco

Jim Person 0:43

Hello Knife Junkie and welcome to episode number 86 of the Knife Junkie podcast, I'm Jim Person

Bob DeMarco 0:49

and I'm Bob The Knife Junkie DeMarco, welcome to the podcast,

Jim Person 0:52

Episode 86. As I said of The Knife Junkie podcast it's our weekly interview show The Knife Junkie Podcast the place for knife newbies and Knife Junkies to learn all about knives and knife collecting and we get a chance on the interview show to hear Bob talk to knife designers, knife makers, manufacturers knife reviewers anyone who loves knives and Bob, not that this isn't a knife lover, but this is a different twist, if you will for interview show today. It's not a knife maker, not a designer, but a knife photographer. That's very interesting.

Bob DeMarco 1:25

Yeah, yeah,

Bob DeMarco 1:26

the pre eminent knife photographer in the in the business right now. Jim Cooper, he's known as sharp by coop, you'll see that watermark on his photography, which is very identifiable. He has definitely his own style and it has become the way to photograph knives for merchandising. The way he sets up His photography. The viewer can sort of see the whole knife as if they're holding it in their hands but we'll get to that later. Sharp by COOP has his photography, you know, makes me drool for these knives. So, yeah

Jim Person 1:58

Well and that's the reason he Photographs them for makers and manufacturers because they want you to drool over them to buy them so

Bob DeMarco 2:05

Exactly. I mean it's a visual thing if you can't be in a knife shop and not too many of us have custom knife shops in our neighborhood. You can't be there holding it and you know, inspecting it, you can do so through these photographs. Plus they're just beautifully and artfully arranged lit and shot.

Jim Person 2:23

Well speaking about I think you said merchandise, that type of thing a couple of pages that we'd like for you to visit on the Knife Junkie website before you get into the interview The Knife junkie.com slash knives that's a page that we have that has some of the most recent nice for sale from some of our affiliate relationships with companies like like knives ship free etc. That's The Knife Junkie dot com slash knives, but we've also created a merchandise area on the website, The Knife junkie.com slash shop. You can get your Knife Junkie merchandise as well as other knife related shirts and hats and mugs and all that kind of stuff at The Knife Junkie dot com slash shop.

Bob DeMarco 3:03

I'll tell you what I'm getting first Jim. I'm getting the sort of baseball t shirts the three quarter length sleeve t shirts that I used to wear in the 70s and 80s as a little kid bombing around the neighborhood well I can wear one of those now with the with the Knife Junkie logo on it or don't take doll for an answer on the front and I love them. Jim you did a beautiful job designing all this stuff. Definitely check it out.

Jim Person 3:26

Thanks sir The Knife junkie.com slash shop if you'd like to go check out and look and see what we're talking about. So what do you say we get into that interview with Jim Cooper sharp by coop right now.

Bob DeMarco 3:37

Let's do it.

Announcer 3:37

Got a question or comment? Golden Knife Junkie is listener line at 724-466-4487.

Bob DeMarco 3:44

I'm here with Jim Cooper, or as you may know him sharp by coop, the preeminent knife photographer out there in the knife world and I'm honored to have him on Knife Junkie Jim, welcome to the show.

Jim Cooper 3:56

Thanks for having me, Bob. Thank you for your listeners for listening.

Bob DeMarco 3:59

You know, it's funny, I realized I remember realizing at one point that all of these amazing nice pictures with the sort of, well all these amazing nice pictures that have a signature sort of style to them are all coming from the same place. I started looking at the watermark down, you know, on the the bottom right or whatever and I just wow, this guy really knows how to photograph knives and seems to have a passion for it. Why knives, Jim, you're obviously a talented photographer. explain your path to this, this position here.

Jim Cooper 4:35

Thanks for asking. And I'm, and I want you to ask me about that logo at some point because it a little interesting there. That's about how that evolved. I would in regards to you know, you claim I'm a good photographer. Well, I'm a I'm a I'm a pretty good photographer of other things, but I'm a very good photographer of nice. That's my specialty and I and I often tell people I'm a big fish in a small pond because when You mentioned that your professional photographer everybody says, Well, my cousin does weddings. And this is not me. You know, I photograph metal objects and and and that's what I focus on. So I'm a specialist in that regard.

Bob DeMarco 5:14

So why why knives? Do you have a personal love? I mean, it's obvious you have some sort of personal affinity. How did you discover that?

Jim Cooper 5:22

Well, no different than you. I started the photography came after my love of knives. And I was very fortunate in the late 90s. I, my brother in law, his name is James ciello. He, he moved out to Arizona and he partnered with a fellow and they he was a really talented machinist. And him and James Lozano have created something called James brothers and it was a an automatic folder they made out of CNC aluminum in spring loaded was fast as heck. And he'd been working on machine shop and obviously he shipped me a gift. piece of check out what I'm making now. And it was this kick ass spring loaded automatic. I was like, Whoa, that's the coolest thing I've ever seen. And he said, Yeah, we're marking them. They're about $250 and I just about fell off my chair. Really a knife that costs $250 well to it none nice person that sounds like a Lafayette. They went on to for a number of years. It ended up being desert nighthawks after it was James brothers, and they made a model called a Cheyenne. Some of your longtime listeners may know this. They stopped making them probably early 2000s. But I still have a one or two. But it was that knife, that automatic knife that works so well and was so lethal. You know, when we talk about an automatic, it's a switchblade, you know, and so that that cemented my statue. And so then I asked him up, could I get a couple more and so I purchased a few and again his wedding gifts and I gave him to my best friend and

Jim Cooper 7:05

grew from there. I can keep going but I'll let you

Bob DeMarco 7:07

were they illegal at the point you

Jim Cooper 7:10

Who knows

Bob DeMarco 7:11

in Connecticut or wherever

Bob DeMarco 7:12

you are

Jim Cooper 7:17

you know, you stop completely at every stop sign.

Bob DeMarco 7:20

I know that's that's the thing I'm like you know luckily I don't get in too many desktops with the cops so you know if on occasion I venture out with a with an automatic knife so be it.

Jim Cooper 7:31

Yeah among friends.

Bob DeMarco 7:33

Exactly. So you have this automatic knife from the James brothers and is that when you decided geez I need to take a picture of this thing it's so compelling

Unknown Speaker 7:43

nope one of my friends was a was come to find out he, he belongs with me and local wrong club that I belong to and I showed him this and he goes Why did you know that I collect knives. I said no. And he collects a bunch of old traditional you know grandpa's pocket knife. He must have 30 of them. like a Whoa. So he invited me over and we opened and closed him and I ended up getting him one of those knives. Guess what, he's he's been my best man at my wedding three years later so we really built a friendship. He said by the way, I'm going to wish a show a local show up in Waterbury, Connecticut about 45 minutes away and it's on a Sunday. Would you join me? Yeah, wow, that sounds really cool. So I I did I went up there and I wandered around and I was just, you know, the first time you ever go to a real nice show, you just can't believe what you've seen and it's so focused, you know it look at the smile on your face. I know it and I ended up leaving there with a $35 Columbia River knife and tool kiss folder. You know that Yeah,

Bob DeMarco 8:45

I know exactly. It's ubiquitous folder. It's got one side.

Unknown Speaker 8:50

And that was all I spent that day. But the but was that boy, I love all that stuff there and I'm going to tell you that a second portion of the story I stopped at a custom purveyor. And it was a woman, Graziano shock and she had a host of custom knives in her case, and one in particular all it was so beautiful. It looked like a bird with wings and it had a clump beak and it was the most beautiful knife and I call my buddy from the other side. I said you got to come over. Well, it was a wolf and loerchner wings folder, Wolfgang Loerchner and the custom knife world is the top five most renowned custom knife builder does it all with files and stuffing folder? And I said, What is this cost? She says $2800 Oh my god. Yeah, it was unobtainable. Well guess what? That knife now is? I said 2800 that knife is easily 428,000 Whoa, yeah. The other that investment? Yeah, yeah. And and his work is continues to be renowned and I love the Man I love his knives, but I'll never forget that particular one particular knife was so beautiful Google bird wings loercherner l er er ch is not lorchner not as I thought for so many years. It's not because he's pronounced it that way. But the wings folder from Wolfgang Loerchner that cemented that was it I just had to get involved in customers

Bob DeMarco 10:27

So was that the moment you started building your okay so your roster is amazing the people that you've photographed you know it is a literal who's who and and counting You know, they're they're going to be more people who are constantly coming to you because of how you how you do this. Who are some of the people you photographed? Like you like your most the ones you're the craziest about the proudest about?

Jim Cooper 10:54

Wolfgang Lochner would probably capitalist because I've met him and he's personal friend. Michael Walker, my top five names and I say within this and I'm talking about customers, these are makers that are knives or sell upwards of 10 grand. Well upwards of 10 grand. So, Wolfgang Loerchner, Ron Lake, Ron lake just sent me brownies and pickles.

Jim Cooper 11:20

This is the friendship that we have. That's cool. Yeah. Michael Walker, there's a European phone in European standout Jurgen j er jergens sky now his work is impeccable and it's beautiful. And it's unobtainium and they're $20,000. Right? And Ron Appleton arrays. Ron Appleton is Ray Appleton son. His work is just it's maybe makes five pieces a year and every one of them is over 20 grand. The one maker who I'd love to meet and we all know about and he's setting the world on fire with his knives is Bob Kramer. Oh, right. The chef's knife, man Yeah, and I've never photographed above Kremlin knife but if I was telling you who's the five top six most collectible knife makers in the world, Kramer would have to be there. I mean his knives. Look at one of his use knives just auction for 23 $230,000 I heard about that.

Bob DeMarco 12:16

I did not hear about that.

Jim Cooper 12:17

Yeah, his chef's knife that he had made personally for Anthony Bourdain. You know, the chef on TV. Yeah, well, he died. And so his estate that knife went up for sale. It was Anthony ordains personal knife from from Bob Kramer and any rate, so it was auctioned, and it went for astronomical $230,000. So there you go. Wow.

Bob DeMarco 12:41

So okay, so how how has floating around in this rarefied air affected your taste in knives or your your collection? I'm assuming you have an amazing collection. I don't mean to be presumptuous, but I can't help but imagine you have a sweet collection.

Unknown Speaker 12:57

Oh, you're, you're correct. And I probably I've probably owned 150 handmade knives custom knives over the course of time but right now I probably own 50 to 60. You know how it is knives they come they go. Here's the phrase that I use. Now I my purchasing of knives is really it has to strike me and it comes very rarely. But that's because that itch is scratched every afternoon. These knives come to my door. I get to own them for two three days a week, handle them. I photograph them I inspect them their mind for a little while and then I should back away in the glorious I don't have to purchase a knife to enjoy it.

Bob DeMarco 13:42

This is something that I mean you are in such an enviable spot because this is a common theme that just keeps coming up. I'm like I act as if I'm a curator in the Bob DeMarco knife museum. And it takes a lot of discipline for me to unload knives because there's something about each one that I have That I, that I love, and I'm way down there in the production world, I have a couple of customers, but, you know, so I mean, these are things that are, or you would assume, way less hard to get attached to because their production, their run of the mill, if you will, you know, and some of them I customize or this or that, but trying to sell some amazing work of knifer that you have, I can't, you know, can't fathom that.

Unknown Speaker 14:24

Well, you know, there is an intrinsic value to the human that's behind those individual makers. And, and by all means they that's inescapable and it's real. However, though, and however, is this humans behind those factory nuts, there's people that designed it, there's people that are making it making their living with those knives in there, you know, so you can't just say it's just a production knife. It's not spinning, spit out of a machine without some type of no interaction with the knife community. So it's making people happy. But, boy, there's nothing like support and some maker in their little garage shop and what they're doing and yeah, and if you've had one on one interactions with a person just like you and I are right now you feel some bond. Yeah, you feel some bonds. So, um, you know, the handful of customers that you have, I'm sure if you've met those makers, you like, I've never letting this thing go.

Bob DeMarco 15:18

That's exactly right. And one of them I got to pick up in his very shop and that was, that was a great experience, too. So, so you're in this enviable position of being able to sample and review all of these amazing blades as they come in for you to photograph and send out. What have you learned in handling all of these masterpieces about about your own tastes and knives and also where where the knife world is, is kind of going and what people are into right now.

Unknown Speaker 15:46

Yeah, I get a huge variety. And certainly I've seen the utmost in quality. So I've got a pretty distinct tie as to what you know what, this is really good and close. That said not everybody makes everybody's trying to shoot for the most precision. tightest fit the most perfection. One of my friends of friends he's he's our nicest guys ever met pete prine out in Oregon and his knives are without question rough. Rough he sells every single one because I think his clients that come up to his table love him they like his knives is no question as to handmade knife because this doesn't the scales a little fatter on this side than that side. You know and, and Pete if you're out there Forgive me but I love you. But I you know I just use you as an example. I am so impressed every time I is what got published on cover knives illustrated knives annual and he sells everything. So like so there's a nice example. Wolfgang Loerchner and or Jurgen Steinow, this stuff is so precise. Yeah, down a microscopic level.

Bob DeMarco 16:57

This other gentleman's it's the beauty of imperfection. Yeah,

Jim Cooper 17:01

yeah, yeah, there you go. So there's runs the gamut.

Bob DeMarco 17:05

So the knife comes to your door, some amazing knife comes to your door. Tell me about your process. Explain that. What do you go through? And how do you figure out how to shoot these and then and then talk about your style you have sort of a triptych style to tell me about that.

Unknown Speaker 17:20

Oh, good. Thank you for asking. That's important. I'm gonna tell you that. I've learned that my knife photography is four parts or equal parts. And the first one is the actual shooting and capturing of the knife is my job is in capturing under the light and I'll talk about that in a second. But that's, that's the shooting. I can do that in a show. I do my studio. And there's work involved with that mirrors, lights, all that stuff that science. The second part is I take those files, and I disappear up two floors up to my office, where we're interviewing and I edit them through paint, iMac display and Photoshop and I spent time merging your viewers if they know my Work Go Go to knife gallery dot com and you'll see all everything that I've ever done three images like you said triptych, there's usually two or three images of the same knife and I edit them so then there's the shooting and then the Edit. The inescapable part of what I do is I'm also a shipping company. I'm a shipping every knife that comes in comes in a cardboard box even a separate I'm going to spend I spent a lot of time and unpacking and putting aside I print and then I've got a Reeboks everything and I've got a label and so I'm a shipping department. Yeah, well the low end of this year. And the final portion that is just as important as maybe the most important is all communication that I do with the client. And ultimately to get that knife in the hands of editors and to on Facebook on my Instagram away all that stuff behind the scenes to dialog. Communication and typing. So those four things are the biggest aspects. And you can't do it without all four, all four. They're all equal,

Bob DeMarco 19:09

Well, why do why do makers send their knives to you in particular,

Unknown Speaker 19:15

I've developed my style that is very visual. It's a single image talk. First let me tell why I single image of composite image and photography in general is still and will always be here to stay. The podcasts we're listening to right now is dynamic, it's moving. Videos are dynamic, they're moving, you have to hit the pause button, if you will, and you can back up you can, but it's constantly moving. So you gotta you gotta kind of pay attention, a single image, a photograph, whether magazine or on your computer, screen the phone, you can take your time you're going to study and you go at your own pace and you can come back, come back to it, and it's there. It's not shifting, you can really spend your time so the Always be an opportunity to always be a place for single images. Because it's it's just the most common way to view something and stable, that composite image thing that I do. And I won't lay claim that I invented this, this format. I probably did. Eric akeley from point seven was probably the first one that I saw do it and others early 2000s. And everybody's doing some form of it. I've certainly capitalize on this display format. But the great thing about these composite images is that you don't have to shift from one if you're on a computer, you click out of one image about you go to another energy click out. We've all been to the websites and you click out they've got six shots and they're all you click in, click up. Whereas I like looking at a single image and you scan around it you go Oh, look at the back spine, look at the close side and point out that I always shoot a caught my core view which is the knife that's open With a fixed blade it's in. Usually it's not diagonal from upper right down the left

Bob DeMarco 21:05

Just to maximize your speed.

Jim Cooper 21:07

Yeah. So and then that then if it was a folder, you want to show the other side of the folder, you want to show what the folder looks like closed. And then, of course, the backside of a folder is generally some area of some cool stuff. Yes. So if you can incorporate the back spine, the closed view, the other side of the knife, in the main view, you've got four big ingredients for the you got 95% of the knife in one rectangle,

Bob DeMarco 21:34

right? It's almost like you're holding in your hand turning.

Jim Cooper 21:38

That's why it's effective. Because people I just I just like to, you know, there's neither long and thin so you have all this extra real estate around it. If you put it in a rectangle, no matter how you shoot, it's always going to be a rectangles long and thin. So you've got these triangles on either side. That's either dead space, you can fill it with stuff. And to this, am I guilty of sometimes overfilling that bottle. Yeah, me and everybody else.

Bob DeMarco 22:04

But what are you feeling it with another high definition image of this night that someone might be interested in buying, you mentioned the stillness of it, and I can still see pictures. We have this old weapons book that my brother and I used to fight over when we were kids. And you know, I still have a version of that now here a modern edition of it and I can look at these pictures, these images and I can remember them from just staring at them when I was you know, 10 years old, I can remember them, there's There is something about a still image and then by putting those other aspects of the knife in that same image, you're kind of given that the effect of a moving picture because you're able to look at the handle from the side and then from the from the spine side and get the contours and stuff like that. I noticed you usually put the point like especially if it's a sword or something, sometimes you'll you'll show the hilt and and then the And then in the back and you just kind of get an impression of the whole knife.

Jim Cooper 23:05

I often send people as you know, usually when we look at a knife, custom knife usually is what I'm photographing. But any knife, you look at it quickly on a side view, that's the core view. But the first thing you do is you pull it up to your eye, you start looking closely at the details we love, we love the details, because that's where the mechanics lie. That's where all the little stuff is intricacy that's hidden so the overall shape of the knife has to be pleasing and we like that boy then we draw it up and so that's where I I'd like to think I Excel is a try to show those details that the people if they had it in the hand where would they turn it? How would they roll it they want to look at this and not have a home Look at that. Yeah, yeah, that's, that's it.

Bob DeMarco 23:47

So as someone who has knives and has photographed them and taking video of them and you know, I've photograph for Instagram, look at my new knife kind of thing. Yeah, it's not it's not easy. Especially if you're just doing it on iPhone but I look at your photography and after I'm done drooling over the knife that you've so you know, nicely captured. I'm struck by the light, you know you have amazing even light and and that's so great for showing off details like, you know in materials and that kind of thing. Explain how you how you use light so well.

Jim Cooper 24:28

Good. Yeah, it says a very valid question. I learned long ago that the best way to photograph these knives is to have them shoot them with a diffuser background. May your viewers must have seen some type of light tent. Mine is literally an angle 45 degree angle from the back of my table up to the top of my head. And it's a diffuser material you can buy especially you can buy it at a artists supply stores draftsman is developed. So I like to state that as you need. You need Three light sources to get the quality image that I have three light sources. One is an overall abundant light source that lights the whole knife itself and, and usually that's the one that I position so that the blade itself is is the right temperament the right brightness. So it can't be too bright. It depends if it's a Damascus blade is gonna you gonna brighten up the heck out of it. But if it's a shiny polished blade, hello, you're going to turn turn it down a little, the second light, this is the important thing as a much smaller focused beam. And if you look closely at my, my images, you'll see that I always point a lot probably get 30% more light at the handle. handles are always light absorbing material. Usually like especially in a fixed blade, they're always something you know, the blade is shiny and then the hardest thing to photograph is that dark handled

Bob DeMarco 25:53

shiny black kurta or Yeah, yeah,

Jim Cooper 25:56

it's so you gotta see you turn it up on one And you turn it down on the other end. So if you have two light sources, you can you can, you can meet that and then you play a little bit in Photoshop to, which is not a sin. As matter of fact, Photoshop is a wonderful tool that

Bob DeMarco 26:15

It's only a sin if you're a Luddite,

Jim Cooper 26:18

right, but two lights is net, where's that third light source, you know, I'm just identifying I got one big one. And then I get the small one and they're both behind the diffuser, they're coming in from behind the coming on the knife pointing kind of at me, Well, I have an array of reflectors, and they're literally plexiglass mirrors. If you've seen pictures of my work of setup, you will see that I've got all these mirrors that we could throw around. And if you look at one of the fixed blade or any of the things you'll see a highlight on the inside of the knife, you'll see a highlight light beam, that's it that shows that the handle contours and that's always that third light source which is reflected light. It's reflected from the other two and by adding angling that your and I angle it up and down and any number of ways you can you can position that light and really call it fill lighting and that's the difference that's why the knife is always very clear because otherwise you get that bring bright light at the coming on without that fill light you got a big deep shadow

Bob DeMarco 27:19

right and you're going to get flares on the blade and stuff yeah like it just from from an extreme novices point of view when you're shooting something with a you know hollow grind and an A and A What do you call it like a satin finish kind of it you know you want to show all of the contours of that blade but then it starts to blow out the like you said the handle material everything else so you got a camps that's interesting. So you have a light handle or a handle light. Like Yes, I love that. You were mentioning before and and I have to ask because I'd be remiss if I didn't. You mentioned how you're shipping, a shipping agency as well. You're constantly department, shipping department, you're constantly opening up boxes. What are you doing it with? I know you're not using. You're not using the beautiful Birdwing?

Unknown Speaker 28:11

Well, now, I'd like to. I have a it is a handmade knife. It's it was it was given to me. It's a friction folder. That's my my main choice of friction folder and by a gentleman named habeer shallow, who is now making knives in in in Arizona, and he's making chef's knives but he made a he made a folder of friction folder and post them a few years ago and as you said, I liked him. I went out to dinner with him once he's just a well spoken guy. Not a big maker at all, but I just liked him enough. I said, I'm like I need a knife. And this and you just nailed it. What do I use a knife for? I'll tell you what. 90% of the time that I need a knife is for opening cardboard boxes, right? I mean, I'm just we're product oriented. And me. That's all So I need a cardboard knife box so

Jim Cooper 29:04

a cardboard box knife yeah

Bob DeMarco 29:06

well so so why okay all right so then Then what is it why you can you mentioned 90% of everything we do is is

Jim Cooper 29:13

copening packages

Bob DeMarco 29:14

can be covered with a small clip joint which is our fascination with with evermore you know I'm not even getting to price but ever ever more innovative folding knives for instance ever more beautiful fixed blades with with exotic materials. It's not pure materialism but it's also not art because it can be used What is it? What is our fascination with these things?

Jim Cooper 29:39

You know, funny I wrote some notes down and I was going to send them to you but I didn't but I here and and says right here, why are knives appealing? That's it so I was hoping you'd ask what is it? And first from the first word I use is their sinister. They are primarily used to cut flesh. cardboard they were designed to cut flesh. Whoa.

Jim Cooper 30:05

Stand Clear Of The Closing door.

Jim Cooper 30:08

You know? So So that said, we know that the swipe you have to apologize sometimes when people when I tell people I shoot handmade knives they take they go Oh, that's nice as they take a step. There's there's just something very sinister about that. But that said, we like risk. Those of us that like knives are very real conservative, we like a little bit of risk were a little challenging. So there I like that sinister thing. The second thing is anybody that has a good sense of engineering and design skills that you can study and I can go Wow, look at look at the way that was manufactured and I love engineering. folding knives are abundant with engineering with the locking in the full Island, the billions of things that go on there, but they're not limited, but the mechanics are so Feeling, there's just there's so much appeal and it's sinister, but yet there's mechanics involved engineering, and then we look and we look at the skill of the, whether it's a production knife. The, whether it's a handmade knife is, you know, how, how wonderful did this person make it? Or did they they leave file marks in it just to show those handmade or is it polish to the degree? And last two notes I wrote here, it's just simply that because they're dangerous, and yet they're artful. Yes, yes. That artful,

Bob DeMarco 31:32

especially the, the, the knives you're shooting, I would, I would also say that, at least with some knives, the, the curviness it's kind of anthropomorphic, it might be kind of remind us of humans or remind us of, you know, women or whatever, you know, just just the curves might. And also its primitive. It was the very first tool and there's probably something by this point, that's in our epigenetics that just like draws me to it, just like there. Things that push us away from snakes you know make us recoil from snake there's something that draws us to the blade.

Jim Cooper 32:06

absolutely absolutely so I I'm like you I just I just find it appealing who doesn't like just opening and closing some folder that's well designed yeah oh there's just something about that

Bob DeMarco 32:18

yeah yeah and i mean that's that's the same kind of appeal that that guns have for me though I'm way way way less a gun guy than a knife guy but I you know I like to shoot it's fun but I also really appreciate the the mechanism the machining you know, it's just beautiful. So, in your so how many years have you would you consider yourself a denizen of the knife world if you will?

Jim Cooper 32:42

2020 Oh, I started I started in 1999. So here we go. So

Bob DeMarco 32:47

when those 20 years Yeah, tell me like what the trends you've seen and like in big arcs what the trends have been and and kind of give me your, your opinion

Unknown Speaker 32:58

The thing that the two things and you know everybody's sort of the we'll call it tactical that started in that started even before I came in apparently the 90s that is growing everybody said out of the tactical market so bubble, it's gonna blow up there and nobody's gonna it's not and it just keeps growing and growing and growing for every reason that we just described all the mechanics all of the cool stuff it's every time I open up a new maker that I've never heard of and I see this is a you know, I don't like calling them tactical knives I've kind of nicknamed them myself and I'd rather hear I call them urban folders. Ah, because tactical sounds like it's just a it's a weapon type of thing. Where is just an urban folders like, you know, I'm not out on the ranch. Yes, right. You know, this is something I can kind of conceal a little bit. I could walk around, it's I live. I live in Connecticut. I live in an urban area, I put it in my pocket, but I pull it out. So I like the term urban folder and it can be a walk, it can be a frame lock. It could be every definition of what you used to be called tactical, but I just don't like that. Yeah, so you'll hear me saying and refer on my website, you know, he's got his urban folder. You can call it a tactical if you want, but I like I'm trying to make it I'm trying to dumb it down a little bit

Bob DeMarco 34:13

Well, in a sense, if you think about it, no one's going to use any of the folders, you photograph in a tactical sense. They'll they'll get a cold steel, you know, do whatever they need for that kind of business and then they'll pick up their R J Martin when they're going to the dinner party or whatever.

Jim Cooper 34:29

Well, going further. I in the last probably six, eight years, chefs knives have really, really, really just exploded, and brilliant. It's brilliant because they, they're simpler. The simpler is that it can be a three piece enough. I've long heard that term. It's a three piece not two scales in a blade down the middle with a couple of rivets, it can be and then they can be as intricate as imagine now, the key is how how useful they are. And that every American household, every household, yes, can use a chef's knife. So there they are, and they're designed where they designed cut fruit cut flesh cut whatever. We all there's the ultimate tool and now that the custom field has, has found that people are liking quality and willing to we are food is our nourishment that we're willing to spend hundreds of dollars on a single implement a tool in the kitchen that broadens that market to nationwide.

Bob DeMarco 35:32

Yeah, and it's a great excuse for someone who who might be a closet knife guy to be like, honey, it's a kitchen. Okay, all right. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. I always look at a chef's knife as as harder to make and I'm no knife maker, but you know, you have to get them thin, thin, thin, thin, and flexible and fully flat ground and all of that that to me like

Bob DeMarco 35:53

takes takes the skill level up.

Jim Cooper 35:55

I minimize a sense of simple thing.

Unknown Speaker 35:59

handful of makers out there rolling their eyes right now because they're said that fitness is and I'm the first one to know because I look at my hand Oh my gosh. And so then they put these crazy crazy Damascus patterns off even in the chef's steel and and the subtle shapes sculpting in the handle very subtle sculpting and on and each one. It's it's just, it's so impressive that you can there's so many takes on the same item so it's energized the field. It's given a lot new, a lot more new people a chance to purchase a hand a handmade knife and who knows and maybe they've got this great chef's knife. I want to get one of those urban folder

Bob DeMarco 36:43

Yes, I hear he makes urban folders.

Bob DeMarco 36:49

Slip joints also kind of seem like that kind of you know the fact that all all the major manufacturers have come out with their modern slip joints. To me that's also another way to end invite people who might have the knife thing in them but not you know, but sort of latent, invite them into the fold, you know, Oh look, it's a slip joint, like your grandfather, you know, you know that

Bob DeMarco 37:10

and they're like, oh yeah. And then suddenly people are carrying knives, it doesn't matter what they're carrying. They just need to be carrying a knife so I don't have to loan one to them. You know

Jim Cooper 37:19

the slip joint traditional knives, we like to refer to that. They've become so precise, so beautiful, but so friendly. So user friendly. Everybody's got grandpa's tackle box knife, you know, they're, you know, in their back pocket. And there's plenty of good production knives that are that are cheap, but then you see these handmade ones that the makers make, and they're just you look at ego, how do they fit those three blades in there? They're 10 thousandths of an inch apart and they don't touch. Oh, it's, it's masterful. Yeah. So that that's part of the appeal as well and but, but because of that, that simple, very friendly, you pull out a little it's almost like a Boy Scout knife though. Everybody has a Boy Scout. Click, click Yeah, so the traditional knives have grown largely, chef's knives have grown. Of course, the urban folders of designs will milus but that's the good old American boy. Just continues continues to continue. Everybody's got to have a good old American, because once you got a big honkin bully in your hand, you go, I want one of these

Bob DeMarco 38:24

god, I was looking through a bunch of your images and you have photographs. I'm a huge, huge Bowie fan and you could photograph some amazing amazing Bowie's there's just they're just people out there making some amazing, incredible work. But I agree every household needs a big old Bowie

Unknown Speaker 38:43

You need at least one and there was a master Smith that I wish I've lost touch with him. I hope he's still doing well. Robin Hudson is his name. He retired but I remember him saying he talked about he hit like a 14 inch boy and he says Eddie had a big headliners, and he says I wear it all the time. So what do you do? Well, I can open up a bag of chips with I can reach the top, I can reach the book at the top of the bookshelf. He had all these auxiliary uses for this big honkin bowie that had nothing to do with you know the sandbar fight.

Jim Cooper 39:20

It was this tool of choice, the

Bob DeMarco 39:22

A Reacher and a grabber and I

Jim Cooper 39:25

could cut my sandwich in half and I can open the cardboard box and you know, you can choke up on a big knife and make a little task but you can't make a little knife do a big task

Bob DeMarco 39:34

So that's what I when I was in college, I worked in a kitchen and that's exactly what those guys all said. You know, there we had an array of knives that would get taken off and sharpened every week, but it was always the 10 inch regular chef's knives that got dull. And you learn very quickly at least I did in that kitchen like you know you don't cut things with a little knife. You use the big knife, you know you choke up and so where do you see things heading Okay, so we talked about the trends over the last 20 years. What do you think the next trend is going to be? Or where do you think you see things in the next 20 years? Wow.

Jim Cooper 40:11

The pause of my voice is simply because I haven't given it that much thought. I can't say that I'm seeing it'll be more of the same I'm going to be as just as surprised as you. Okay.

Bob DeMarco 40:25

Sometimes I wonder if we haven't hit peak urban folder?

Jim Cooper 40:28

Well, what or what I'm seeing a lot more of is, is is is singular usage of CNC machine. When I see singular usage, smaller individual guys that know they're making CNC machines affordable, so a maker can actually wanted his own studio, RJ Martin for years, has CNC equipment. The genius in CNC stuff is that it's repeatable. You could program it, and you can it's replicable it never hand finished. A knife, it's just makes the parts repeatable for it. There's so much finishing that needs doing and the science and the smarts that it takes to amazing program any CNC will supplant the I want a handmade knife I don't want a CNC. Well guess what? That man's got a college degree

Jim Cooper 41:18

program in that little CNC urban folder of yours. And I'm impressed with that, too. So I've never I've never dismayed at seeing that makers are using CNC in some form because I know that took some real smarts

Bob DeMarco 41:30

and and let's be honest, handmade is a very, very deep hole. I mean, you could Yeah, man. You could say like, oh, it has to be made with files or no, it has to be like made with emery board. Like, how handmade does it have to meet this guy thought it up program, this damn machine, you know, had it spit out raw parts. You know, he could have done that or he could have just, you know, contracted that job out to a waterjet or whatever. Yeah, you go. So so in a way you know, keeping it in house is keeping it in house. We're on the same page there totally, totally, totally. Well, it's kind of exciting. It's like, in a way, it's like, you know, Steven Spielberg said years and years ago, I remember reading him saying, like, the next generation of filmmakers will be making them in that garage is going to be, you know, young kids. And you know, he was absolutely right, you know, yeah. So it's kind of the same thing. It's like people, people who with a drive in a vision, who, you know, who have the know how it's I think of Brian Nadeau, you know, he does all of that out of his house. You know, he's act like he had to alter his house to fit the machine in there. Like, that is dedication. But the truth is that the handmade knife is things are amazing. And but

Jim Cooper 42:41

yeah, well Brian's Brian's a brilliant, it's just that his smarts and programming and his skills and his attention to details, and in design is is superb. You know, we can't we can't let this conversation slip by without mentioning how forged in fire Oh, How much how important that has become to our current culture and to end but I mean, I every time I turn around, there's another maker and or blacksmith I've never heard of. And wow, are they getting involved? And then the viewers that are that are admiring this reality, Jim, it's it's drama. We could poke holes in the show, but truth is, it's doing more more good than harm.

Bob DeMarco 43:21

It's the greatest TV show ever created. Okay, so let me tell you, this is it. Let's go back 15 years I'm on the couch with my wife watching Project Runway. You're watching watching fashion designers come up with their designs and kind of hash through the the creative process. And of course, they're stabbing each other in the back and I'm like, they should make something like this, but knives. You know, that'll be the day Why don't you make that show? And I'm like, yeah, and here we are. And I'm grateful for that show. I gotta say I do. I do really love that show. We had. We've had Jay Nielsen on the show to Talking about judging and also talking about his own forging. Yeah, he does eautiful stuff. But what I love about it is that it's still on its there five seasons in or so five or six seasons in and people are watching it. People are loving it. And to me that's just a great sign that just means more knife people, you know?

Unknown Speaker 44:19

Yeah, it has all the ingredients for successes has a lot of danger involved as a lot of skills as luck. Very human element. And it's got competition. Yeah, you know, we love competition. We love watching competition.

Bob DeMarco 44:32

Sure. And it also destigmatizes the knife itself, you know, it's not jumping out of anyone's belt and stabbing, you know,

Bob DeMarco 44:38

it is it is a an absolutely essential tool and, and it's great to see these people putting them together. Hey, before we wrap you wanted me to ask you about your logo. Tell me about the sharp by coop logo.

Unknown Speaker 44:53

It's easy to put a text watermark on any image and just say shop talk via this that not do that for dealers that I photograph for, but at some point I wanted to you know just I'm brand aware. So I, I reached out and I found a design company it's called 99 designs and I went with them and it was a brilliant as an Australian company that jobs out to a world market and I heard them I said it here's what they asked her portfolio. What do you want to do? What do you want to do? You know, so I said, I'm a photographer I want to show knife in and so this company called 99 designs said, Okay, we'll submit it and it's a contest and you choose at the end of a week, which logo that's cool. I said, Oh, okay, so I I did the entry level the lowest budget $300 logo. I was like, you know, in the world of logos 300 bucks. I can afford three. Yeah, my work I had. I'm not whining I had at the end of three days. 110 different logo. From 50 different artists, they're from Indonesia they were from India they were from England, they're from the US they were from all over everybody spending time my head hurt by looking at all these designs and trying to figure it all up. Finally, you know, I ended up you know, settling down and yeah, all these people these talented people gave spent a lot of time and I had to tell I had to tell 149 of them no you know, I'm sorry, but I ended up working with one guy and then you're allowed a couple of revisions and you sound like to tell it and one of the things that you'll know my my business name is sharp by kuip photography. What do you think about when you think about sharp a nice pointy edge? You look closely at my logo and the point is buried it's gone it's gone. But I love that because that you know it's got a camera and it's gotta s buard bowie, you know, the Great American bowie, but it shoved that it's that statement that you took a knife and went pow!

Bob DeMarco 47:05

the table deeply buried it and

Unknown Speaker 47:07

it just buried in the table and it makes a statement. I'm here. This is my knife, you know, I mean, so that statement is is I just thought sharp or not because it was so many decided they had a little point there there was embedded in the words. Something about that one and I didn't realize it until later. I don't know, I kept coming back to that. And I said, You know what? I like this one the best and all of a sudden I realize it's the only one that doesn't have a point. Funny Yeah,

Bob DeMarco 47:33

yeah. I like the concept of making people kind of come compete like that. And and, you know, you get to select from that.

Unknown Speaker 47:42

You know that I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna make some people mad or I'm going to make some people really happy because I talked to a very noted graphic designer and he said 99 designs. He said that's he worked for graphics companies that we take our clients work, we send it to 99 designs. We pay them pennies, they come back with a bnuch, and then we turn around we show our clients. he says we look like heroes. And he says, I didn't tell you that and I was he rolled his eyes I said Wow. So they have different tiers. I bought the lowest tier $300 you can go up to like $1,000 but you, you really get some better graphic work, but it's still unlimited selection. So there's an endorsement for that 99 designs.

Bob DeMarco 48:25

So Jim, what are the first of all, I want to find out how knife makers can get in touch with you and how they can retain your services if it's the right fit and and what are your What are your stipulations what what exactly do you photograph? I'm not going to send you my production zt to photograph What are you going to what do you take?

Unknown Speaker 48:45

I'm happy to photograph that ZTE every day as long as you're willing to pay. So I people often will tell me that they don't know if I have a knife worthy of your skills and I was like the only Where you're going to get yourself on the map is to start you know, if you can't do it yourself you gotta send it to a professional I I'm glad that I'm their first choice. That said, one of my digital skills because I work with a computerized just literally in the last two months I rebuilt my website so that it's mobile friendly. And my my website, I have two websites, but the the one my business website is like I'm interested in getting and I photograph is sharp by coop.com. And I'm so proud that I made this website out of WordPress, and I made it mobile friendly, it looks great. And it's it has inflammation there. And, you know, I learned from reading about website design that said, you need to have like a single button that says, here's where you go start here. And so I got a button that says let's get started. And you click on that and that's where it Okay, what's the steps Oh, first review my pricing. Then send me your information and then review my shipping. Little Three, and you got to know what you're up for pricing because it is a whole sword cost more than a folder, you want five prints uh I'll have to sell them to you that's this is the extra. And then I asked for a form that fills out all the information from the maker and about the knife and this is what I said to the editors. And then lastly, I have all shipping guidelines because knife makers are notorious for making quality knives but are not a shipping and stuff will come poking through the box and I want to give them guidelines on how to do it correctly.

Bob DeMarco 50:33

Right well I have to say from my perspective, when I see a knife makers or when I see a picture by you a photograph by you and I see a beautiful knife I I gotta say I take it a little more seriously. I think, you know, knife makers should make themselves you know, save up if that's what it takes. And that's definitely a great marketing tool because you look at that. You see the amazing photography that that allows you to see every detail The blade you've worked so hard on and then you see sharp by cooping I like okay, legit. Well at least that's how I feel.

Unknown Speaker 51:07

Well thank you and those people have stepped up there. They're proud of the work it shows that they're there. They're trying to make a stand. And the good news is I you know, you see my, my Instagram is my first hundred and three thousand followers right now. And but I made sure that I send out to 10 editors of international magazines and USA magazines. I'm usually covered everywhere somewhere. But my Facebook is concurrent with my Instagram, everything that gets posted in Instagram goes on Facebook. So and then lastly, I put her on I've been a I've been involved with knife forums for 20 years to that's how I got started with this whole thing that started on a knife forum. So stuff is going to get seen and I I it's amazing in our social in our digital life that people still the place the highest value. I want to see my knife in I want to see it in a magazine. Is this amazing? Still we hold on to that that's that's the holy grail of promotion right

Bob DeMarco 52:08

it's not an emerald doesn't just disappear it's there.

Jim Cooper 52:12

Yeah, yeah, it's it's real. I mean we see it on a screen and it's it's it's good and it is it's valuable because maybe more people gonna buy it on the screen but but there's something something very tactile about flipping the pages and senior their knife in the pages of a magazine. So that's, that's totally important.

Bob DeMarco 52:30

Well, there you have it, everybody. Jim Cooper sharp by coop thank you so much for coming on The Knife Junkie podcast that I love your photography. It's been great getting to know you and finding out what, what drives you and what's behind these beautiful images.

Jim Cooper 52:44

Bob, it's a pleasure.

Jim Cooper 52:45

Thank you for reaching out to me. I love talking to Pete. I love the knife people. It doesn't matter who they are. It's so impressive. People they're interested in quality. They just like me and you and it's it's a pleasure. I'm mostly unavailable at a show you people going to go to blade no way I'm going to lock the door I've got so I get so busy in a show and that I have to focus that's when my work starts. So it's it's unfortunate I want to say hi to you viewers out there now because you're not gonna see me then there's a couple of gatekeepers My wife is a gatekeeper and Bob if you stepped up I'd say

Bob DeMarco 53:23

all right, well, they heard it everybody. I will be a blade show and I will be stepping up just for a quick moment though. I know you got work to do. All right, Jim Cooper. Thank you sir. It's been a pleasure.

Jim Cooper 53:34

Cheers. Thank you so much.

Announcer 53:36

Do you use terms like handled the blade ratio Walk and Talk hair popping sharp or tank like when you are a dork and a Knife Junkie?

Jim Person 53:45

Back on episode 86 of the Knife Junkie podcast as we said bombuh interesting interview today not a not an a knife maker manufacturer but someone heavily and deeply involved in the knife industry.

Bob DeMarco 53:56

A serious Knife Junkie with with an enviable position in the knife world, you know, he has an opportunity to hold, inspect and own these beautiful knives from all these amazing makers for a week at a time. I mean, and oftentimes, that's all you need with something. And I don't, I don't mean to cast aspersions on on any given knife, but oftentimes I'll buy something and be like, this is a great knife and I'll carry it for a week and then it will reside in my collection to take up a certain role. Well, that's kind of just, if I could just hold an own an eye for a week, I might not, you know, acquire so many and have so many my collections. So he's in a very enviable position plus, he gets to hold handle and inspect knives from the top custom makers. I mean, these are knives that take a month to build. And he gets to have these in his possession for a short while and to me that's like, it's like being able to go visit a museum with famous art in it. You know you get to take in this work for a while you don't have to own it and possess it but you can you can soak it up and appreciate it and learn what you need to from it you know and then he puts it back in a in a bonded envelope and send it back

Jim Person 55:13

well you know what you need to do or you know what we need to do or we what we need our listeners to do. They need to send you a bunch of knives not for free but just send you so that you can have for a week or so to do a video review talk about here on the podcast that way you know they're getting some publicity for themselves and for their knife. You're getting inventory to showcase on your YouTube channel and then you get to scratch that itch.

Bob DeMarco 55:38

Well that's right. it's like our good buddy Stu. You know he's he's got stone and steel up in Vermont his his knife company and he sent me recently the ZT0223. After he heard me you know, kind of talking sideways about it on the show. He said check it out. You might you might it might change your opinion and it most definitely did. I did a little bit view on it send it back to him had it for a week carried it for for you know the lion's share that week and yeah that was a cool experience

Jim Person 56:08

well if you'd like to check out some of these videos that Bob is talking about The Knife Junkie dot com slash YouTube and be sure to subscribe to The Knife Junkie his YouTube channel just go to The Knife Junkie dot com slash y t subscribe Definitely you need to be subscribed to his YouTube channel so you don't miss any of the videos. Alright Bob that's going to wrap it up for show number 86 final final word

Bob DeMarco 56:30

final final word is just keep it sharp man.

Jim Person 56:35

Alright. sounds good. Thanks everybody for listening to the Knife Junkie podcast for Bob The Knife Junkie DeMarco, I'm Jim the knife newbie Person. Thanks for listening.

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Rank #3: Condor Tool and Knife, Al Mar Knives, Shirogorov, Cold Steel, Strider SMF and the Bayonet — The Knife Junkie Podcast (Episode 85)

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Condor Tool and Knife, Al Mar Knives, Shirogorov, Cold Steel, Strider SMF and the Bayonet — The Knife Junkie Podcast (Episode 85)

On the mid-week supplemental episode of The Knife Junkie podcast, Bob talks about a new folder in the Condor Tool and Knife 2020 lineup, Al Mar Knives back with updated versions of their classic models and Shirogorov collaborates with Lee Williams to update the 110 model.

He also recaps his first two weeks with his Strider SMF, his Cold Steel collection and in the “First Tool” segment, Bob covers the Bayonet.

Links to stories, podcast episodes mentioned and the knives covered in the podcast can be found below.

On episode 85 of The Knife Junkie Podcast, Bob talks Condor Tool and Knife, Al Mar Knives, Shirogorov, Cold Steel, Strider SMF and features the Bayonet in 'The First Tool' segment
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Announcer 0:03

Welcome to the Knife Junkie podcast your weekly dose of knife news and information about knives and knife collecting. Here's your hosts Jim Person and Bob The Knife Junkie DeMarco.

Jim Person 0:17

Hello Knife Junkie and welcome to the midweek supplemental episode of The Knife Junkie podcast. I'm Jim Person.

Bob DeMarco 0:23

And I'm Bob DeMarco. Welcome to the podcast.

Jim Person 0:26

Welcome to the Knife Junkie podcast that is the place for knife newbies and Knife Junkie to learn all about knives and knife collecting and Bob and other jam packed show this week we're going to take a look at some knife life news coming up. We've got an update on the collection, including a couple of weeks now with your Strider SMF. So we want to get an update about that some cold steel news and even a first tool segment that we're going to talk about. So let's let's dive into it. Without any further ado.

Bob DeMarco 0:55

All right, let's do it. Well, one of the first things I wanted to talk about was what's coming out From Condor Tool and knife out of El Salvador in 2020, what a great brand. They've really worked their way up from a few very simple and simple knives and a small catalog to a very expensive catalog with some pretty amazing tools I got involved with them when I first start, started seeing them bring out some Filipino machete style blades. They started as a machete company, which makes sense for El Salvador. But anyway, this year, they are premiering their second folder. It's the Blue River hunter folder. And it's cool, it's it, you know, Condor, if you know them, they're a big outdoor knife company. So to see them kind of venture into the folder line is kind of like seeing tops venture into the folder line and imagine they're maybe you know, five years behind tops or whatever. So now they're coming out with a blooper hunter folder, Blue River hunter folder. It's a 3.02 inch drop point. blade is for 440C we all know and love 440C I know they're a lot more modern and fashionable steals but that's a great steal. It's a thumb stud liner lock. And here's the cool thing. It sort of retains some of the Condor, naturalist outdoor kind of vibe in that it has a walnut walnut handles with reconstituted turquoise inlay in the handle. So, we'll see about that. I haven't seen any, any YouTube videos on that yet. So I look forward to seeing about that. One other thing from Condor that really stuck out to me was they have this this new knife which is very Cornelly if that's a word named bushcraft, bliss. bushcraft, you know, doing you know carving sticks and making bowls and spoons and and traps and all the things you do in the outdoors to survive with your knife with wood. And there's this new knife from them called the bushcraft bliss but really when you look Look at it, it's it looks like a tactical knife it First of all, it comes in a kydex sheath. And second of all it's sort of a clip point drop point. They totally abandon the Scandi grind on this one and it's a full flat ground knife and then it's got a sort of tactical looking handle and that it's contoured and has good retention on both a thrust and slash. But it's got this big jumped thumb ramp and it looks more like a circular saw gym it's got this these three giant check it things that pop out to grip your thumb I'm interested interested to see what people say about that when they get their hands on it. So way more tactical combat looking than bushcraft. And so that just kind of raised my raise my awareness for a second there. They also have the king kukri machete which is a giant 12 and a half inch kukri blade. It's 1075 they seem to do every in 1075 and it's got this these giant fullers carved out of the side so that it's sort of machete weight, but it has the strength and heft of a knife. And it looks pretty big. And then the last one that really got me was the last Roman and it's a knife based on Roman blade found on one of London's last riverbeds, you know, London was a colony of Rome. And so when you dig under London, you find all these Roman artifacts and this was a knife found under London. It's got a beautiful, beautiful shape. And so I just have to get that out of sentimentality. It's that ethnic pride thing. Oh, it's Italian. I'll get that

Announcer 4:43

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Bob DeMarco 4:47

one of the progenitors of the folding tactical knife genre, Al Mar knives kind of slipped a little bit behind the times there And so now they're coming back with some some kind of revamps on their, on their classics. The first they had had this ultra light series that was really cool actually my brother got my dad one the eagle, it's an impressive knife. It's super light, but it's a long four inch blade and it's got a liner list micarta handles, black looks all business superlight Alomar make some cool knives, right? So they're updating this, this line the the ultra light line and making the titanium line titanium frame locks with D two, and which is I would choose something else than the two but that'll work and then they're also coming out with an frn model of it with 8cr13MOV which kind of seems like they're still a little bit behind the times but I'm glad they're trying to update their their stuff here. Ball Bearing pivots, that's good flipper tabs instead of thumb studs. Okay, I don't know about that. But there you go. So The next is the SEER knife, that's a classic of theirs. But this is the updated seer 2020 series stands for survival escape something and evade, as you can tell I didn't go to seer school anyway. So this is the classic seer knife but they updated it with D2 and it's got a G 10 handle and now it's a flipper with a spring assist. Like again just a little bit behind the times people come on spring assist is gone. No one wants that anymore especially on a $200 knife, but they redeem themselves by bringing back the honey Jake bone series. Now this is a series of I always love these they look they're like half tactical half a traditional before traditional knives ever had a resurgence and they come in two and a half 3.15 and four inch blades you know they have three variations. And it's AUS8 steel to drop point But it's it's got this beautiful bolstered handle with a long elegant honey jig bone handle and I love that I love bone handles, the jigging, it looks just like an old case or, or a GEC Great Eastern cutlery. So yeah it's it's that is a cool Knife of all these knives all these new Al Mar knives coming out the ones that are by far the most interesting are the honey jigbone knives in my in my opinion,

Announcer 7:27

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Bob DeMarco 7:30

so Lee Williams custom knife maker created this kick stop flipper mechanism. It's something that's come up. It came up a few weeks ago on Friday, Thursday night knives we talked about the kickstart it's a when the knife when the blade is closed on the flipper with the kickstart mechanism. You see a tab protruding out the out the backside just like you would on a normal flipper, but then when you flip it and the knife is actuated the flipper is hidden on the inside. So it's a pretty cool and, you know, slightly more complex mechanism. And Shirogorov teamed up with Lee Williams to kind of revamp their 110 model 110 standing for the millimeters of the length blade length of it. And yeah, so they made it so it's a 4.33 inch, very slender long drop point blade. And the handle sort of looks the same as the old one except they've they've placed some scallops and some very strategic places for gription but really the the main, you know, main thrust of this revamp is the Lee Williams kick stop opening mechanism. It's still running on their classic single row bearing system which is super smooth according to Alex Tisso I don't have a Shirogorov, though. I need to change that at some point. But this knife looks really cool. I gotta say for me, you know, I love a four inch blades. So make it 4.33. And I'm especially in and I love innovative mechanisms on knives. And so if I ever you know where to have a kickstart knife, it should be this one. Let's see, oh, I wanted to mention two other things. They're only making 300 of them. And it comes in sapphire blue, Amber brown and anchor gray in terms of the in terms of the anodization and the blue ones right now are live. So you can go get on their list right now

Announcer 9:30

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Bob DeMarco 9:33

A few years back, I had a SMF, a Strider SMF. And it was a Lego version. That's the blocky square handled version. And it also had a full flat ground blade. That knife was cool, but it wasn't it. There were things about it that irked me, for that Lego that square handle. It was a little too big for my hand and then the blade I just could never get sharp enough and I think it was because it was very thick behind The Edge and and maybe I wasn't as good at sharpening back then so I got rid of it and then I regretted it immediately and I had for years and then talking with Zelrick a couple weeks ago on the show, he said he had an SMS because I said, if you ever look into sell one, he had one hollow ground, beautiful and concealed carry version that means it's thinner and more contoured better for my smaller hands. You know, and, and this knife showed up, I've had it for two weeks, I've been carrying it almost every day for two weeks. And I absolutely love it the hollow grind, and the seas and the contour into the handle, make all of the difference with the SMF for me, because my hands aren't huge, but they're not small either. They're kind of in that middle point where most big knives feel good but that SMF with the Lego handle was just a little too much for me. So it's been exciting and and this knife is solid as a rock gym. It's making me feel Like I have to double down on my on my reduce and refine I hate I hate to keep bringing up epic snow snuggle bunnies mantra here but I really like I have... I have.... I want another Strider now now I want another one. So I think I need to I need to focus.

Jim Person 11:18

Okay, so you need to get rid of some to add another Strider so it's kind of altering changing your collecting philosophy or collecting thinking maybe a little bit

Bob DeMarco 11:28

I think maybe a bit and then just after doing the cold steel folder video I decided I need I need to focus with the cold steel, I need to focus on what their strengths are. And to me, it's those giant blades Nolan also make so I'm thinking I'm going to get rid of my smarts, a few of my smaller blades but

Jim Person 11:46

Okay, interesting. So the reducing and... and well, the refining continues and hopefully they reducing part of it will continue.

Jim Person 11:49

Ooh, call it like you see it.

Jim Person 11:58

All right. We'll keep A an eye on The Knife Junkie is reduced and refined efforts of course here on the Knife Junkie podcast.

Announcer 12:05

And now for a look at historical innovation and knife design. It's time for The Knife Junkie, the first tool

Jim Person 12:12

Back on episode number 85 of the Knife Junkie podcast, you'll find links to everything we've discussed on this episode of the podcast at The Knife junkie.com slash eight five. That's The Knife Junkie dot com slash 85. And Bob, one of my favorite segments we have again this week, the first tool and you're going to have a chance to chat about the bayonet,

Bob DeMarco 12:36

the first tool Yes, indeed, Jim, this is just for you.

Jim Person 12:39

I'm so special.

Bob DeMarco 12:41

Well, this is actually my favorite segment too. Because, you know, all of these knives that we buy today came from somewhere. It's like you me, Jim, we are the latest, you know, installment of generation after generation after generation of people going back way throughout history. So I want to talk about the band that Because it's a universal weapon, east, west, all around the world, this weapon has been used. And really what it is, is a knife afixment to the end of a rifle to turn it into a spear. And it came about during the Age of the musket, when it took a Coon's age to reload a rifle or reload a musket. So in the case that you shoot a volley, you know, in the old days, people lined up the head, very civilized warfare, they'd shoot a volley and maybe they'd reload and shoot again, but if the opposing side rushed them, the idea is you fix a bayonet, and suddenly you have a spear or a pike, and you can go after the opponent in with a melee weapon. So let's start with the history of this thing. And the terminology bayonet. A lot of people think that it comes from Bayonne in France, that they own it that they own, but we do know that bandits predate the French use of bayonets. That's just like most other things. Things like pasta makes me bristle a little bit but the Chinese did it first. They did it with a something they called the son and mother gun which is a big breech loading musket, but they created a 22 inch bayonet to fit it was a plug band at now plug bayonet has a tapered handle that you fit right into the hole right into the breach of your of your barrel. So these, this this Chinese son and mother gun was a giant breech loading musket and you fired it and then if you could not reload it, in the time it took to take three and a half meters. If someone was rushing towards you, you attach the bayonet and you hold it like a spear. So this was a weapon that was developed in the you know it to sort of make up for all the shortcomings of early firearms. The first being the plug so you stuck it into the barrel itself, but that also, you know, doing that preclude The use of the gun itself. So if you have a bayonet stuck in there, you can't fire the rifle. And that could be a that could be a big problem. So the socket band that was created, and it was created by someone named Hugh MacKaye, who, who was on who was fighting up in in the Highlands of Scotland, and they were fighting against the Jacobites, and the Jacobites fired one volley from their rifles, dropped them and then attacked the opposing army Hugh McKay's army with swords and axes and destroy and killed them all. I'm sorry, I don't mean to laugh about that, but they didn't have time to fix bayonets. They thought they were going to be civilized and reload and they would return volley but it turned into a melee quickly, and these people didn't have time to fix bayonets. So they and when they did with the with the plug bayonets, they would fall out frequently. So this gentleman created the socket bayonet that it fits over the barrel and you can still fire while shooting and it has this outward canting blade that curves forward. So that was adopted by most European armies and this is in the 1700s they started to adopt these triangular blades that created wounds that were very difficult to heal and actually incidentally later on with the Geneva Convention a triangular blades were outlawed because the the wound is so grievous Yeah, yeah, and it's it's hard to stitch and then it tears easily because it's a weird shaped wound. They're not outlawed by American law. But yeah, if you want to fight a war with it, it's it's against the rules. So later came the sword ban that now this is when the bayonet was starting to well, the use of them was starting to edge a little bit and they wanted to make a weapon make a bayonet that that could be used as both A short sword and as a bayonet if needed, and right around this time people were carrying these. They could be used for both thrusting and slashing more like a glave. glave is is like a spear with a blade. Okay. Yeah, it's not just for thrusting but you can with it. So that that was a that was a main benefit of these short sword bayonets. And then, you know, the bayonet is is a constantly evolving thing because it's kind of a stopgap measure. You know, and and as the challenges the battlespace change, the stopgap measure has to change. So they they after after the sword, the short sword ban it, they sort of moved along to these Multi Purpose bayonets. Oftentimes they had saw teeth on the back and they would they would give these two engineers I mean regular field soldiers would have these two but they were for constructing you know, barbed wire posts and me even butchering livestock, but but you know, other other defensive needs. encampment needs

Jim Person 18:02

I was gonna say more more than a fighting weapon right an overall around tool.

Bob DeMarco 18:07

Yeah, yeah that you could make camp with and then if you needed it in the in the thick of things you could use it but interestingly enough the German army and this is kind of ironic to me but the German army towards the 19th towards the 20th century discontinue to the use of sought back band that's because it created it created like an unnecessarily severe wound upon pulling it out, you know you've imagined you've got a sharp blade on one side of puncturing tip on the front, and then a saw back it was just created a gnarly wound and out of some sort of sense of civility in battle, which is probably all but gone. They outlawed that. Another interesting multipurpose ban that was the travel ban that this is something I'm sure many people have seen. It looks like a travel literally a large long trial attached to the end of a rifle. This thing was created by the American army by a lieutenant colonel Edmund rice. And it was created by Springfield Armory, incidentally, the very famous Springfield Armory. But this trial shaped bayonet was a giant sort of triangular band that that was flat on the side that face the barrel and then fluted on the backside also created grievous horrible nasty wounds, but was used more for for as a trial, you know, in in spreading, you know, in creating forts, you know, to spread concrete and all these other things to dig. It was an entrenchment tool that sort of ended up being you know, falling by the wayside eventually, because of its It was kind of a, an awkward and large bulky kind of item, but it had its dual uses. So, as time moves on, really what we've learned about the band net is that in most band that charges that's when a whole, you know, group of soldiers bandits in charge, most of the time in Napoleonic wars and the American Civil War and and in other accounts, the opposing enemy just turned and ran. Really? Yeah, yeah, we're finding that in the Napoleonic Wars, fewer than 2% of the victory of the casualties were the result of bayonets in a bayonet charge. And in the Civil War, the American Civil War, less than 1%. So really, this thing was a deterrent. It was like, it was better at gaining ground than it wasn't killing, because people saw this, you know, saw groups of people running at them with sharp sharpened spikes in the age of the firearm, and they're like, holy crap, and they turned and ran and ground was gained. So it's kind of a psychological weapon.

Jim Person 20:47

Yeah, absolutely. Especially if they were screaming when they were running.

Jim Person 20:52

You know, that's interesting, because that's not what I saw in the movies.

Bob DeMarco 20:55

Yeah, no, no, never happens. Like that. Doesn't

Jim Person 20:57

right. That's cool. Not cool, but that's interesting fact.

Bob DeMarco 21:02

Well, so now years later, it's still awake. There was there was one bayonet charge by the American US Marine or a US Army in, in Korea, where were a bunch of soldiers led by Lewis l millet attacked a bunch of positions, artillery positions with bayonets. And and they killed a bunch of guys and a 20 out of 50 of them were killed by a bayonet. So that was kind of the last big use of the bayonet, but I must say, let's flash forward to 2004 or five. My brother in law, James was in Iraq, and he was in the he was in the CAG group, and they were kind of civilian affairs, and they would kind of they would move into a town before the occupying force and kind of get hearts and minds aligned. And he was in the situation one day where he forgot his bayonet and he's like, when do you ever use a bayonet. it's a pain in the butt getting in and out of the Humvee with a band that he left it back at base. And this was the one day that his group was surrounded by an angry crowd of Iraqis, for whatever reason, and the order was given to fix bayonets as a psychological to turn it was like a

Jim Person 22:20

I brought my unvisible one today

Bob DeMarco 22:22

exactly, he didn't have it with him. And actually it ended up getting stolen. He said, apparently, things always get stolen. In the military, especially when, when the Marines and the army are grouped together and like things go missing strangely so his went missing, but he ended up giving me his sheath and bought a new bayonet for it. So the bayonet is not a completely outdated thing. It is still a good psychological deterrent, but it has had an interesting and storied history.

Announcer 22:51

And that's this week's look at knife history with the first tool. And now back to The Knife Junkie podcast

Jim Person 22:57

again, Bob, I gotta say, you know History was one of my, you know, more favorite sport, not sports subjects in school, not saying I was very good at it, but it was one that I enjoyed more than math, or others or science. But I again, I just I really liked the first tools just as you know, hearing some of the history and little stories behind it. So a great, great segment there the first tool?

Bob DeMarco 23:21

Well, Jim, I'm ashamed to say, I wasn't interested in history, stupidly until I was in college, and I was studying art history and then learned about history through looking at the art that was created at that time. And now it'd be cool to go to a course that taught history through weaponry. Wouldn't that be cool? You can learn about the world's events through the lens of cool knives and swords. But hey, dare we dream?

Unknown Speaker 23:45

Sounds like a course you'll have to create a local community college.

Bob DeMarco 23:49

Oh wait, I think that's Harvard on the line. I have to take this

Jim Person 23:50

Okay. I'll let you go. Hey, we always try to do look at some of the live shows but quite honestly, we're running a little bit long on time. And we kind of hit them all pretty much last week. So nothing new I think has been added Plus, you can easily go online to knife magazine.com slash events, if you want to get the update on the live show there. So we'll we'll get back to it next week and look at some of the dates and places of the live shows only one in February. So we're really going to be looking at March shows anyway. So a lot of stuff we've covered here on this episode of the Knife Junkie bond cast, Bob, final thoughts as we wrap up this episode.

Bob DeMarco 24:31

Well, Jim, all I can really think about is this incoming Kris Tilite from cold steel. So that's my final word. I'll let you know what happens when it comes in. I'm going to have a clenched between my teeth.

Unknown Speaker 24:42

Of course it's a new knife, why should I think anything other than your thoughts would be there?

Bob DeMarco 24:47

Also my beautiful wife, my children, of course.

Jim Person 24:49

Oh, absolutely. It goes without saying.

Jim Person 24:52

All right, that's gonna do it. Let's get out of here Episode Number 85 of the Knife Junkie podcast again, The Knife junkie.com slash 85 you'll find links and show notes and everything right there on that page so for Bob The Knife Junkie DeMarco I'm Jim Person saying thanks for joining us.

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Matt Martin of Vehement Knives — The Knife Junkie Podcast (Episode 84)

Matt Martin of Vehement Knives is this week’s featured guest on The Knife Junkie Podcast (episode #84).

Matt talks about his journey in knife making, which included making a move, as well as the lows and highs of making knives. He also has an interesting perspective of selling out of his knives in under 10 minutes, why he chose one purveyor to sell his production knives and the one book that helped him begin his career.

He and Bob also discuss several knives specifically, including the MACV SOG Knife, the Grunt and the Tunnel Rat.

Find Vehement Knives website, Facebook page and private Facebook sales group “GFYFB.” And find Matt on the “Behind the Blade Podcast” on SoundCloud and on Apple Podcasts.

Matt Martin of Vehement Knives joins Bob DeMarco on Episode 84 of The Knife Junkie Podcast to talk about knives, knife making and more!
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Matt Martin 0:00

let's not kid ourselves and think that we're anything more than what we actually are. We're not important to society we're not celebrities, but you get that moment of feeling like a rock star when your ship flies off the shelves and that is just a it's a good feeling and it is what I would say is it's not anywhere near relaxing. I feel like now we have to live up to so it's like every night has to be better than the last otherwise people will be like guys resting on his laurels you know

Announcer 0:33

Welcome to the Knife Junkie podcast your weekly dose of knife news and information about knives and knife collecting. Here's your hosts Jim Person and Bob The Knife Junkie DeMarco

Jim Person 0:46

Welcome to the Knife Junkie podcast episode number 84. I'm Jim Person and I'm Bob The Knife Junkie DeMarco, welcome to the show. The Knife Junkie podcast is the place for knife newbies like myself and Knife Junkie Like you to learn all about knives and knife collecting and hear from knife designers, knife makers, knife manufacturers, YouTube knife reviewers, anyone who loves knives. That's what we're all about here on the knife junkie podcast and our Sunday weekend show is the interview show Bob a knife maker we're going to hear from today.

Bob DeMarco 1:18

Yeah, Matt Martin of vehement knives. He's a guy who came onto my radar screen through bark river knives. You know, I love those knives and I love Mike Stewart's videos and the bark river shop tour videos. And then he started popping up in them here in there because he collaborated on a number of knives with bark river knives. And I loved the work they were doing. The first one that I saw from Matt Martin was the Mac v SOG. knife, a classic combat bowie knife. And anyway, he makes a lot of really beautifully interpreted modern versions of classic combat knives. And I had Talk to him. And you did. Yeah, we at length.

Jim Person 2:04

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Bob DeMarco 2:20

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Jim Person 2:21

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Announcer 2:42

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Bob DeMarco 2:50

I'm here with Matt Martin of vehement knives of Michigan. He is a fixed blade combat knives specialist. I would say he makes some of the most beautiful comments. Inspired knives out there today Matt Welcome to the Knife Junkie podcast it's great to have you

Matt Martin 3:05

Oh thanks for having me. It's a big honor to be honest with you guys.

Bob DeMarco 3:08

You came onto my radar safe two or three years back watching one of the mike Stewart videos you know what's new from bark river and I had heard of you guys before but but kind of seeing it in that video kind of mainstreamed you for me. It was a combat knife it was the Mac v SOG. And you got to tell me where where did your love for combat knives come from?

Matt Martin 3:32

Well, I mean we can put a finer point on it even still with just the Mac v SOG profile. I mean that is there are lines I can't remember his rank I want to say was a major Baker, the original designer of the Mac v SOG. Back in the 60s, but there are lines on that knife that are unparalleled. I think in the rest of the combat knife world there's a lot of style put into something at a time when people were focused on K bar maybe Mark tues even Randall model ones and This thing just comes out of left field. And it's got this menacing profile it has curb appeal that hadn't been seen yet. So as a kid coming up in the knife world surrounded by sock specialty knives that I couldn't afford, you'd see him in the mall in the glass case. That was what I wanted to achieve when I started filing away steel and trying to replicate this very complex shape. So going back to we had a joke OFF AIR about Moby Dick. That was my white whale. How do I capture the lines of the song profile and to this day, I still haven't put a harpoon in that bastards back.

Bob DeMarco 4:35

So it was the Mac v SOG. In particular, that kind of launched you on your on your knife making. I'm not going to call it a journey your life in knife making.

Matt Martin 4:45

It's a journey. But yeah, it is also the life in 100% I would say 100% that was the knife that jumped out at me that I always wanted to be able to capture that level of style, not necessarily replicate that life as I mature. As a maker that that level of,

Bob DeMarco 5:02

well I fell in love with the Mac v SOG. early in life as well. I saw it in two movies in particular. The first one was a movie called uncommon valor where you know a group of misfits get back go back to Vietnam to rescue their buddies like a mid 80s movie

Matt Martin 5:18

with Randall "Tex" Cobb he's got a hand grenade around his neck. Yes, sir. Yes,

Bob DeMarco 5:23

yeah. And there's a there's a scene where they're they're prepping for their mission and they're all kind of showing one guy's you know, showing off his his hand to hand skills one guy shown his explosive skills. This other guy's showing people how to how to take out a century and he creeps up on one of his buddies and he pulls out the the the SOG six inch you know, Mac v SOG of that knife and, you know, stick it in the back of the head and scramble the brain. I remember that was shocking for a 12 year old to hear however old I was, and then I saw it in Terminator two, when she jams it in the table. I'm like, What is that spectacular knife with those peaks. It's the peaks on the back. In their eyes bordering on superfluous to the design, it doesn't help it perform any function but boy does it just give that knife of look like you said it's memorable and uncommon valor it's memorable and T two and there it is. There's that. So I am going to go out on a limb here and say that the swale and the two peaks actually do have or could have I don't know if they had a purpose in the original design of it, but they can be used in reverse grip for trapping. If you're if you're doing something where you're kind of grabbing someone else's arm to immobilize them and you trap it between your arm and the back of the blade those those swells up if you will help retain that arm.

Matt Martin 6:42

I agree with that wholeheartedly. Sometimes I wonder and I know there's a term that I'm forgetting before we put purpose after the fact. idea when I was doing knife combative, combative straighting under the hood, I'll go Academy. That was something that we focus a lot on obviously the warrior knife, the Alomar, one You're from the same school of knife combatives and it's a lot of inverted grip basing a lot of trapping and stuff in the techniques. So I agree with that. It's something that I subscribed parenthetically with the D on the end putting it in past tense. But I, I don't know if that was the initial intent. I think it's just something we as knife guys picked up on and gravitated towards.

Bob DeMarco 7:23

It's like the military they have backronym like Patriot missile. I will bet you it was named Patriot missile before they figured out what those letters stood for.

Matt Martin 7:33

Absolutely, absolutely.

Bob DeMarco 7:35

So you started filing away literally started. You were inspired by the Mac v SOG. And explain what happened after that and how you came to now be a knife maker of acclaim.

Matt Martin 7:48

I can't speak to that part. I think it's dumb luck and obstinance you know, some amount of stubbornness just to not give up when you're making garbage, nice shaped objects and then be like, no, this is this is getting cool. You just haven't seen how bad it was when I started. That's I think that's really how that goes. But as far as everything else went, I ordered one book I ordered how to make knives with Bob loveless and Richard Varney, you know, Busta Rhymes keys in there and everything to this was the book, it was a tome, something important to me. And that's kind of where it all kicked off. I realized it was so much more to the knife world that was it my local mall, in those five glass cases. That's when the veil came off of the rabbit hole opened up.

Bob DeMarco 8:33

Okay, so I look at all of your knives now. And then I see daggers and I see drop point kind of pilot looking knives and I saw a recurve tanto. A while back, what is what is the underlying theme of all these knives?

Matt Martin 8:49

It's a pretty complex question. without it being we really specialize in what we call field knives. But if you look into our back catalogue, you're going to see some things a little bit more outrageous. Or To be honest, if you see a picture of a knife that I made on any given day where I was like, Hey, I'm possessed by Raja Bell and I just want this big sexy but nasty recurve for no other reason that I want the challenge of grinding it and finishing it and making it pop. I'll be completely Frank right here. I'm really not one of these like a mall Ninja, everybody's stabbing target. That's not really who I am. In nor do I feel like I'm a constant target where I need to defend myself with a bladed instrument all the time. In fact, my number one defense blade is a paramilitary to that I keep in my pocket. It's also my number one Amazon box opening blade and my number one apple peeling blade. So when it comes to our patterns, they're fun. And there's something about the knife that is a tool, but be when you get into the higher end. It's just fun. And it just appeals to people's aesthetic. They see it they go man that night gives me a feeling that knife reminds me of watching uncle Baba beller with my dad on Saturday morning sitting on brown carpet and they want to relive that experience through something tangible and I think that's the service if you want to call it at night because provide

Bob DeMarco 10:11

in particular I think I just sort of realized as you were talking your knives do something do a great service to these classic design cues from old military and field knives but they upgrade them in not just in materials and in attention to detail because they're handmade but also in design, you know you are tweaking, you are not just taking old patterns and and just making them in new materials. You are changing the designs to the daggers are really something else in that in that sense. So I mean to me, you're taking these classic knives and your classic come up a bit. You know I have this old K bar that I love but you know I scrutinize it and there are things that are left lots of things that are off you know, it was machine made for for Service quick and and so that's what happens but you're taking these things in classroom on puppet

Matt Martin 11:05

that's like Sir Isaac Newton, you know standing on the shoulders of giants and so it's easy to pick the ball up where wasn't even fumbled. It was just resting in the end zone for decades and I walked by and I pick it up and I'm able to walk it back to the opposite ends and so it that's a very easy thing and it's just little baby exercises we go through like how can we make this more contemporary more appealing to today's market but still have that? That attachment that nostalgic attachment that our customers are looking for?

Bob DeMarco 11:37

So how does your shop work is it how many benefits

Matt Martin 11:40

helping you out?

Unknown Speaker 11:43

I my wife does all the weather work. I've actually dealt with leather work longer than I've been doing it for it but at some point nice took priority and I didn't want to do anymore so she does. She has her own companies in vendor leather works and she does all of our shoes as well as I mean, five, six days a week custom work for other customers also. And then we have one shop and Jane, we've been through a few, I would say that we hit the biggest home run with this guy. And he's kind of like a cricket in Times Square, I can show him something once. He can repeat the process, the only places that I'm not very eager to give up the reins are going to be in the actual bevel grinding. And in the kind of rudimentary handle shaping, he can finish the map that I lay out the handle shape, but neither one of us wants him to do the rough shaping as of now

Bob DeMarco 12:36

Okay, okay, so then take take me through, take me through the birth of a knife as a design through, you know, so it hasn't even been designed yet through production

Unknown Speaker 12:47

The entire thing can be summed up in one word, and that word is obsession. So it could be a movie, it could be a book, it could be anything I tell you, I've read Churchill's secret warriors and that's by Daniel Lewis. And in that they talk about the beginning of the OSS basically as we know it now is this special boat service when it started and or is he so we for Britain knows us and America but the special boat service and Anders Lassen period of fair being sucks well that knife got so burned into my head, even though I appreciated the knife previously, that I had to go to the shop and make it so in that now we begin the process now we begin the design process. So that's hours of sketching and handier with an eraser that I am a pencil when it comes to making the designs and then we start off with a basic custom knife and start with a bar steel, precision ground set up to screw with it and trace that pattern onto the knife.

Bob DeMarco 13:48

I'm sorry, back up you said I prefer precision ground because I don't like to screw with it. What does that mean has a non knife my ground? I don't know.

Matt Martin 13:54

Okay, yeah. When you receive material from the mill, it's going to have a middle skin on it and milski Some cats leave on which I think is inappropriate. Speaking euphemistically, but, but some people like myself like to have that bright steel revealed, and it has to be surface ground to a specific dimension. And that means that my, my steel is completely flat. By the time I receive it, by the time we go to make it into a knife, it's precision ground to thickness. And that's what I do, you know that so that's the first step is either I have a surface grinder, they have a surface Grindhouse, or I can order the steel ground from the gotchu. If that makes sense. Yes, to Father God. And then from there, it's just, I mean, this is where it gets into work. I think all knife makers do the same shit. I don't know where those are. But you draw the knife on the cars do you blank it out with a grinder and then you you turn it into something that's gonna last you near anybody we've ever talked to.

Bob DeMarco 14:56

So from knife to knife, each one is hand Made soup to nuts. So even though you're you might be replicating the same design, say your version of the fairborn Sykes or or the Mac v SOG. Each one is going to be a little bit unique because it's been cut out from a blank from the start. Is that what you're saying?

Unknown Speaker 15:17

You can ask my mom or my wife, inherently flawed individuals. So yes, every knife is going to be different from one to the other because I'm not a machine. And even on our midtech knows, I still hand grind those but we get a waterjet we have the machine, but even those are going to have variances from life. I might be hung over that. Maybe I'll make it right to itself but I honestly I have never hung my hat on consistency. Just because it's like a fingerprint people should be able to pick up their knife blindfolded and know that it's their knife because they grew up familiar to that handle shape or that balance.

Bob DeMarco 15:55

Yeah, yeah, that was that was Spoken like a true artists make it right to itself. Yes, like internal logic of a movie. It's, you know, it's a lunkhead who sits there says this isn't real. This is so unrealistic. It's like well, either the movie maker hasn't done this job and there's no internal logic or you're alone head. And so what you're saying is, you are not a machine. You're not trying to replicate each time. You're going for the best example in that steel of that knife at that time.

Matt Martin 16:24

Hundred percent. Yeah.

Bob DeMarco 16:25

So when you decide when you come up with a new knife, a new knife design, for instance, the runt was a big one. Is that is the runt a?

Matt Martin 16:36

There's a G in front of that "r". Oh, grunt

Bob DeMarco 16:41

Oh, dude, I'm sorry.

Matt Martin 16:42

Oh, you should see the look on your face. It was such an epiphany.

Bob DeMarco 16:45

Yeah, I wrote I

Bob DeMarco 16:46

wrote it down is run because it's little. How do you like them apples? grunt I'm gonna I'm gonna write this down. So with the grunt it was that a midtech because that that is one that I've been Seen get a wider distribution.

Unknown Speaker 17:03

It started as a customer as they do, and it came a bit tech and to be honest, it's one of our earliest designs. In my opinion, it's a pretty mature design. I'm surprised that it got the traction that it got. And we are going to be reintroducing a new version with you know, kind of this year's design, if you will. We're going to scoop it up a little bit my opinion and but yeah, it's it's a midtech now, and I do believe midtech it will stay because people seem to really enjoy that model. It but the fun part is is even on a midtech It doesn't mean you can't take that extra collective out and give it that custom finish. And I think that's what people appreciated that price.

Bob DeMarco 17:44

do you think that if one of your other designs took off, like say the grunt did, but that knife was, say a larger, more complex affair? Would you be more likely to want to see the That just be a mid tech thing. And, and then you save for the lower numbers, you do all that stuff yourself,

Unknown Speaker 18:08

you know, at this stage in my career, what I want to do, and this is going to get into the weeds a little bit as I have a tendency to do, but at this stage in my career, I would like to wake up, have a cup of coffee, design a knife, prototype that knife, maybe make a small run of not exceeding 50 of them, and then move it into midtech and that way, we have that bread and butter coming in all the time. And that affords me the opportunity. This is gonna sound very San Franciscan but to be creative, you know what I mean? And to kind of just do that thing that I like to do those, those 16 hour Nuys, I don't get the money out of it. I'm not comfortable getting the money out of but if I can build that, that process in where we can midtech it all of a sudden now it's a product that people are happy with, but the Passion is already on to the next bottle or the next.

Bob DeMarco 19:03

I see you're right. Yeah, the you do not want to lose the fire in your belly because you keep getting orders for something I got a guy get keep making more of this damn knife. I'm so sick of this knife, but I keep getting these orders. Yes, that seems like, Well, that seems like the way that to remain fresh, right? You you gauge the popularity of a custom. If it seems like a reasonable risk, you have a mid tech made of that and you move on and see what what might catch on next to

Unknown Speaker 19:28

100%. Ultimately, my goal is to have a small but mighty, a team of mid tech makers where I can go in and put out fires answer questions may be performed, the more difficult tasks of the build or the more complicated tasks on the bill. And otherwise, it's fairly autonomous. And these guys are making knives in the Vehement building under the Vehement brand to the Vehement standards. And at the same time, I'm at the drafting table or I'm on my own grinder, making the next one making sure that these guys have job security ahead of them too.

Bob DeMarco 19:59

Yes. Yeah, well, let me ask you this. How did you meet Mike Stewart he kind of seems to have mastered that process over and over again Actually, he seems like a great sort of mentor.

Unknown Speaker 20:12

You know, we wouldn't even be in Michigan if it wasn't for like the rest of his family. She reached out to me one day, unsolicited on one of the bazillion you know, knife groups on Facebook. And he said, Hey, why don't you come out here and kind of see how we do things. And he introduced me to our complete distributor network. We were in with Blue Ridge knives because of Mike we became very close friends with their quote of nice ship for us now passed away. Very unfortunately there because actually, when we moved up here, him and his wife Wendy brought Chinese food dinner to our house on the first night. So I mean, and then of course, Jason down at DLT trading, and through that process, I mean, like just contacted me on Facebook. And then here we are. There's a lot of yada yada yada between those two margins, but it was unreal. And he shed a lot of light on it. I learned a lot of design cues from him from him because Mike is a historian. First and foremost, that's so I would say that I met Mike at the perfect time in my career, I've met him too early, I wouldn't have cut my teeth, and I'd be strictly on his coattails. And if I met him too late, I'd be too much like him to ever listen to him.

Matt Martin 21:31

Yeah, it was it was just a perfect storm. And we're very grateful to the

Bob DeMarco 21:35

perfect timing. He's uh, He's, uh, he just seems like such a cool character. You know, I watch his videos and and i watch and watch the videos from around the shop. It just seems like a really cool outfit. Large and small, kind of at the same time. You know?

Matt Martin 21:50

It has that feeling you get when you're inside the walls. You're like, this is a hell of an operation. And then it's also you're answering every message on Facebook. All right. A very large and small well book.

Bob DeMarco 22:02

So he

Bob DeMarco 22:04

Mike Stewart was the guy who started blackjack cutlery is that right and then and then they sold it it got sold and and but I managed to score a blackjack model one dash seven I think it is it's kind of like their Randall

Matt Martin 22:20

The only black jack I have buddy

Bob DeMarco 22:22

Yeah. With the with the yellow micarta handle you know that oh god man, that is a man. I love that knife and it's so bark River. It's nice and convex ground. So when you collaborated with them on the Mac v SOG. Was that your first collaboration with them?

Matt Martin 22:39

Yes.

Bob DeMarco 22:41

So on that I remember. I was curious. I was like, will this have a convex grind? And and it did. And it's not surprising because bark river knives does an amazing convex grind so incredibly sharp but also robust at the same time. But what kind of design changes did you have to take your work through or do you have to take your work through when you do collaborations?

Matt Martin 23:09

How do I

Unknown Speaker 23:16

swing for it I there isn't much outside of what makes Vehement knives Vehement Knives is what makes our knives what I my opinion and the feedback that I've gotten from our customers and supporters and everything is in the details, right? So on our choices, they're going to be fully radius they're going to be mere polish, there's going to be this this lock to your hand when you hold certain things. So what we do is we give bark river, the design, I spend, I don't know four 610 hours with their engineers to put it into CAD. I help them you know, develop the design process but I don't short anything or have to alter anything. When it comes to design. It's how far bark rubber Takes within you know, a reasonable ability to turn a profit to finish the night and if they don't spend the extra three hours per knife that's their prerogative. You know, you don't you don't dumb it down for them in any means they're very capable but it's in those little nuances that you'll see the diff erence between a bark river back macv sog and a Vehement knives macv sog

Matt Martin 24:21

so it's just the time spent on every individual knife

Bob DeMarco 24:24

got you got

Bob DeMarco 24:25

you because yeah, I mean it's a more intimate process in your shop at the moment. So I don't know if this is you know, something that most fixed blade makers encounter but I'm sure this is a question you hear all the time what about folders? And and when I asked you that I'm not just saying your knife maker you have to make folders to be relevant. What I'm because there are people who actually feel that way, by the way, but what I'm actually saying is there are some knives now bless George has made a few and and these are knives that are folders but are evocative of knives from a different era with all of the updated kind of style cues. Rick Hinderer does it with his ex ma teens in the in the Parker rising and the end the walnut stock he uses it seems like fertile ground that's what I'm getting at especially with sort of resurgence in the last five to seven years of people's love for traditional knives, you know, be that hunting knives or, or slip joints, that kind of thing. How would you see a vehement folder what what would that unit what would it look like?

Matt Martin 25:35

Clipoint lock back

Bob DeMarco 25:38

tell me how you really feel.

Unknown Speaker 25:40

That's look like I've got a ton of sketches. It's a little race stuff, but you know, carrying the same paradigm that we have with the fixed blades, it has to have that the storage it to it. It's not it's not a book 110 folder, it's a VM at night, if that makes you feel like you're holding a buck 110 folder. Without any of the inconveniences that come with a Buck 110 folder. So that's, that's really where we're at. And the only reason we haven't touched on it, I mean, I have the designs drawn. I've even tried to get them midtech with let's say machine shops to deal with those companies are unreliable at best, right? until you find that sweetheart and then you never let them out of your sight. But as it sits right now, I'm still on Tinder. But I know I honestly we have this albatross hanging around our neck, which is the queue we have a backlog. We have an accepted orders in earnest since 2016. And I'm very proud to announce that we are within 39 I'm sorry, closer to 40 about 39, 38 knives, but we're in the 30s from exhausting that queue that we've been carrying for years. And so it's it's like once that's done, we start making knives again, new remodels and I get that breathing room. I get that living space. Then I will circle back to folders but as it sits right now, I mean holy hell ... humblebrag if you will just we just dropped 125 knives on DLT trading calm, and they sold sold out in less than 10 minutes.

Bob DeMarco 27:19

What?

Unknown Speaker 27:19

Yeah, that's so I don't need to make folders.

Bob DeMarco 27:23

Dude, that's that's funny because you're you just said that I'm like, Oh, I started writing down dlt

Bob DeMarco 27:29

go check out dlt Yeah, right.

Bob DeMarco 27:32

Well, I'll tell you what, man hey you snooze, you lose. That's that's pretty awesome man congratulations. That's like, you know, having a record and and, and touring and having it sell out. I me an, you know and it

Unknown Speaker 27:42

Bob it is, it totally is. I mean, look, if you saw Bob loveless in line at the grocery store at any given moment, he'd be an old man and a funny hat. So let's not shoot ourselves and think that we're anything more than what we actually are. We're not important to society. We're not celebrities, but you get that moment of feeling like a rock star when you're Shit flies off the shelves. And that is just a it's a good feeling. And it is what I would say is it's not anywhere near relaxing. I like now we have to live up to that. Like every night has to be better than the last. Otherwise people will be like He's resting on his laurels, you know? And I can't have that.

Bob DeMarco 28:21

Yeah, well, it's a judge now. This experience is a judge judging you. You know, how are you going to come out with this next patch? How good is it going to be It better be as good or better than the last so yeah, your success is is looming over you judging you. But you know what, you know, you need the good thing to strive for. You need the scary thing to run from two what model was that? That sold in 10 minutes? Was that the runt

Bob DeMarco 28:43

the grunt right. Yeah,

Matt Martin 28:45

he's got a speech impediment. He can't pronoucs "G's" in the front of words.

Bob DeMarco 28:50

I thought it was silent.

Matt Martin 28:51

It is. It's Scandinavian

Unknown Speaker 28:55

It was a tunnel rat. So we we've had multiple successful drops at the tunnel rat. Sub 10 minutes on every drop that we've done, sell through grunts perform equally as well. Although it's been so long since I've delivered a batch of drugs that I have no idea

Bob DeMarco 29:13

right? The tunnel rat though described that knife.

Matt Martin 29:17

It's a you know what, I'll give you the history of that night I went to we used to attend every single Park river grind and even we live in Colorado. And I came up and I fell in love with the blackjack model 15 jet pilot or air or something of that effect. And I found a blank and Mike knows that of a scavenger and you almost has to check my pockets when I go to this. But But I walked into Mike's office and I said hey, I found a 1516 you know jet pilot night. I'm going to take this blank and go make it into something else. I just liked kind of the silhouette of cast. And so I took that knife and I reground it and I changed the guard and a change the handle and and I brought it back to Mike and it goes oh this is awesome. He's like that was a terrible Silly night for us that's going to be a home run for you with these. Wow. And so at that point he got the blessing from the current owner of the blackjack label. Even though Mike still makes all the noise there's a brand you know that that is owned by another party and he said hey can Matt use the waterjet profile for this to make his own and you know, the gentleman said oh hundred percent no problem. And that was kind of how it was born. So again, even more contemporarily I saw a classic knife and I grabbed it and I altered it to make it our own and then it became what it is.

Bob DeMarco 30:37

I love how you altered the blade. And I think it might be knowing what the name is but it definitely looks like the kind of blade you put in your teeth and you know while you're while you're gearing up to do whatever you're doing,

Unknown Speaker 30:48

Bob that's the feeling we sell more than anything else. It's that feeling that's our target is to give you that puts you in that that place so that when your car camping, you're like yeah, but I think This

Bob DeMarco 31:00

I got this baby

Bob DeMarco 31:04

Well, I'm the tunnel rat there's one it's got sort of a commando style handle like that kind of coke bottle and I'm assuming it's like oval in cross section but it's got that that coke bottle handle but I've also seen pictures I'm actually looking at one right now with a sort of that sort of horse hoof Bowie shape. I don't know

Bob DeMarco 31:25

exactly how you can like build Yes,

Bob DeMarco 31:27

yes, yes. Yes, exactly. That is handsome. I mean that that. So when you make a knife like that, so it's got a single pin in the middle of the handle. Is that is that a totally different blade going into that? Or are you just altering the tank to fit that kind of handle?

Matt Martin 31:45

what it comes down to the brand's? basically all I do is cut off the threaded section. And then seated in there, we had a customer I wish I could share this right now but we had a customer who was a expert Tech you actually the X rays, all his knives to kind of sum it up I believe and he was really surprised at how much Tang is actually in that knife and how fitted it is to the channel. But that's that's what we do we just cut off the threads and then sink it in there and then hand wrap the face of the the handle block until it matches up with the whole and everything fits.

Bob DeMarco 32:23

Man. Well I'm not trying to get your industry secrets here but just I don't know just a beauty and then I've seen the one. What is it? It's one of your models that has a gigantic fuller it almost comes to the cutting edge. Does that ring a bell or was that a one off?

Unknown Speaker 32:42

Quite a bit of one-offs. you might be thinking of the jet pilot knife that we rebooted. Was it like a black wash finish?

Bob DeMarco 32:47

Yes, I believe it was had that sort of the stack leather and all that.

Matt Martin 32:51

Yep, that's the that was a one off that we were just playing around with harkening back to the 1957 marbles jet pilot survival knife was dead, believe it or not underbid by camillus by seven cents a unit and camillus in Ontario ended up winning the contract in perpetuity. So the designer of the night never got the government contract. And the jet pilot knows that you see today by Ontario camillus. Those were designed right here in Gladstone in the 50s. And the contract was sniped. So, after I learned that I became obsessed with that blade, and I said, I have to make a jet pilot survival knife, you know, just to bring it back home.

Bob DeMarco 33:31

Well, yeah, I mean, obviously at that point, it's a moral imperative, or somehow the universe steered you that way, right. Yeah, it's a little Whoo. But it's I think it's probably true. What is your what is the hardest part of this whole enterprise? What's the hardest part of running a knife company? I mean, you're a small but you know, American business. What's, what's the hard part,

Matt Martin 33:52

the hardest part? The hardest part is making decisions that caused me to move away from my dearest friends and even further From my family, in the name of being able to push this business a little bit farther, the second hardest part is taking my entire life out of my garage out of my layer. Well, my friends used to ride their bikes up and we drink beer and listen to rock and roll. And it was more of a hangout spot. And now it's a business. I would say the hardest part is maturing and making personal sacrifices to further the business. It's cost me

Matt Martin 34:33

a tremendous amount of what I helped do back home. That's the hardest part.

Bob DeMarco 34:38

Wow. Well, you know, you can't have anything really valuable without that kind of sacrifice. I mean, if you're building something and you're building something meaningful, those sacrifices will repay you. And it looks like they already have I mean, the work you're you're producing and, and it seems like meeting Mike Stewart and moving to Michigan has really put everything in kind of ultra mode for you. And I'm not going to tell you you made the right decision but I gotta say you're making some fantastic knives.

Matt Martin 35:07

Appreciate it. Yeah, no meeting Mike was an octane booster for sure. But the reality is, is if I just rode bikes with my buddies and got drunk in the garage for the rest of my life yeah, we turned out a decent night here and again, but all I would leave my daughter is a motorcycle and empty beer cans. So you know what I mean? This we have to do something for the next generation and the only way I can see to do that is to build a brand that is marketable long after you know my ass is in the ground.

Bob DeMarco 35:35

So do you like the knife industry, the knife world in general, is it a good place to to operate?

Unknown Speaker 35:42

You know, I'm not a people person, per se. Anyway, so I have a lot of good friends in the industry. In the industry, so I mean, it's a microcosm of society. Yeah, but overall, I've got to meet some people that are my absolute heroes and sit outside in the pit at blade show and knock back at jug of moonshine with these guys, while other people were lined up to talk to them. And I go man, I've got it pretty good not everybody gets to meet their heroes not everybody gets to absorb the energy that these legends kind of put out. Put, you know too much esoteric ness onto it. But yeah, yeah, I do like it's my life

Matt Martin 36:22

inextricably tied together.

Bob DeMarco 36:24

Yeah. Well, I mean, you can't help but feel that when you're around masters of whatever the craft is, you know, and yet you They say it's dangerous to meet your heroes because you might be disappointed. I've through this podcast met a lot of people like yourself, who are my knife heroes, you know, like people who are doing things that, you know, you see me like, God, I wish I made that. As someone who makes things, you know, look at that, like God, wow. You know, And to me, that's the ultimate compliment. So it you know, it is always a pleasure to meet people who Who are, you know far along and have you know have made a go of, of the knife world or of making knives and selling them and, and? Well, anyway you get my idea.

Unknown Speaker 37:13

You know what I don't mean to cut you off but what is amazing to me is the guys who started at the same time who were my friends from the early days when we would call each other and be like, I can't do this anymore. watching them grow in two legends now is an amazing healing. I Brian Efros I don't know if you're familiar with the Efros Brian and I met at a usual suspects network gathering many years ago and we hit it off immediately. And we've been friends ever since. And I can tell you many phone calls of him calling me and me calling him saying I can't do this anymore or still in fishtails house business. Oh, we're killing it. Oh, we're so hand over fist. It's all BS. You know? And then now I, you know, I just talked to him yesterday, and he just had a new baby. So congratulations to the fo standing and seeing the accomplishments and the milestones that he's reached and seeing where his clientele is it seeing where his knives are, there's nothing that you can can that would give me the same rush as seeing these people grow into next generations legends. And that's amazing. We could be I could be talking about my buddy like he's the next Tom Mayo. You know what I mean? It's unreal. It's a fantastic.

Bob DeMarco 38:34

Yeah, especially, you know, Brian Efros has been on my radar a lot recently. been following him on Instagram for about a year. And man, I reached out to him to come onto the podcast to at some point, I'd love to speak with him, making some beautiful stuff, but that's great that you are seeing your contemporaries rise as you rise and what do you see in 10 years for Vehement and or what do you see for the future of vehement

Unknown Speaker 39:01

I know we're going to be here, but I couldn't tell you what tangent my obsession goes on after next month, either. I mean, I may be like, you know what, we can only do slip joints from now on who knows. And that's part of my manic minds. I have no clue. I just know that. Like, right now I'm in the middle of a bunch of Lovelace knives, which I enjoy making but I

Matt Martin 39:24

don't enjoy selling.

Bob DeMarco 39:25

Those are the little double edged ones.

Unknown Speaker 39:28

We've got we're doing drop hunters and shoot j=knives. We're kind of dancing around Bob's catalog right now. Okay, but I'm doing it for fun. A lot of them are people who contact me they're like, Oh, this customer of yours really likes your knives. Here's my budget. Will you make him something they don't know. They're not the wiser and I go well, this guy would probably really appreciate a drop hundred shoot knife or something like that. And then I'm not having to sell it market it because I feel kind of skeezy that way like there's a difference between standing on the shoulders of giants and standing behind them with knock off So it's, I'm not comfortable with it, but I like making them because it extends my ability. It makes my toolbox a little more.

Bob DeMarco 40:09

I get what you mean, I get what you mean by saying you're you like making them you don't like selling them. Yeah, it's because it's not exactly your design, but right. But yeah, yeah, there are a couple of people. Well, there's one shop in particu lar that makes outstandingly, beautiful other people's, that I follow on Instagram. And I've often thought, like, I go to the website, and I'm like, well, that's just about as much as the real thing. So I think I'll just hold out for the real thing,

Unknown Speaker 40:37

the guy that you're probably talking about, I've called numerous times, and I'll be like, I won't say his name, just because it's not the most favorable light that we've painted so far, but he's a hell of a guy. The guy is an amazing knife maker. And I've had to call him and say, why isn't this mere polish it What am I doing wrong? How do I get this right? And he's very forthcoming with his information and he does specialize in lovelace knives and I would say hands down, you know it will say it just in case we're not talking about the same. Zach Buchannon can never not open up Okay, okay, Zach can make a loveless knife better than Bob ever could

Matt Martin 41:14

He's amazine at it. He's just a phenomenal maker and a great guy, but he's what, whose catalog is not limited but specializes in the lovelace catalog. But he does such a fantastic job and you won't pay Lovelace prices.

Bob DeMarco 41:29

But in a way the loveless catalog is kind of like the Great American Songbook. It's a it's a bunch of great tunes that everyone from Billie Holiday to Frank Sinatra to whomever sang and cover and get to get to put their English on and to me you know there there are certain knife designs that have kind of reached that status to me the the your version of it was the big bear but the loveless fighter the double edge. Oh my good lord. I mean, is that not the coolest knife Ever. I mean ever with a sub hilt.

Matt Martin 42:02

Oh my god. yeah

Matt Martin 42:02

Yeah. I mean, it's a maker, you have to go down that path you have to say what can I do? And it's to me it's like I treat him as rites of passage. Like once you know, then you can go back to your shop and do the things you do hopefully with a little bit more glow to it, right?

Bob DeMarco 42:18

Yep, yep. It's also like being a painter and and doing your copies of dega or whomever you know, like doing master you know? Okay, so I'm going to I'm going to do a Vermeer today I'm going to try and paint Vermeer Of course I'll never paint Vermeer, but in trying you learn so much, it's got to be the same thing. The other day. I was I was like thinking about talking with you and and I was like, how would I sum up his outfit and and I wrote it on the back of this card. You know, I always have a little card, and I forgot about it until now. But when I asked you where do you see vehement in the future you said, Well, you know, it's hard to forecast beyond a month because of your whims. And I remembered I labeled your your vehement knives as a boutique traditional combat knife, I tell you

Bob DeMarco 43:06

I mean, is that

Bob DeMarco 43:07

not right?

Matt Martin 43:09

not to put too fine a point.

Bob DeMarco 43:13

I mean, in a way you're like, you're like the sorry. You're like Coco Chanel with you. And you'll pump out a couple of really like outrageously awesome things. And then when you want to mass produced you do it you figure out okay, all right, I'm gonna stop with that analogy there, but you get my point right.

Matt Martin 43:36

I guess. Perception is reality. So I was hoping you'd be like, like Mad Max with a drinking problem. Like

Bob DeMarco 43:46

you know what, man, you know what? Like, like, it's funny because I see this all the time. You look at the art and then you look at the artist and I love to see you know, you know, I see interviews with you and I see interviews with other knife makers. And there's a lot of character and there's, there's you know, there's a lot of gravity there and and and and rough around the edges and then you look at the knives and it's like refined, you know, this kind of is a real emergent theme for me artist and art you know are different than the person who creates the thing is not the thing and vice versa and

Matt Martin 44:24

it's complimentary contrast and that that's we try to impose that even on the works themselves. You know, I would say the earliest example of this is back not to just keep revisiting Bob loveless and shopping read liners on a knife is complementary contrast that stands out right. So a lot of times and more of our standard finishes we like to counter Polish one surface versus another you know, so that they're the scratch lines are running perpendicular to each other just to make things pop a little bit on a on a rough Tiger lips you know apocalyptic looking knife will throw a mirror Polish soil in there, just just to give that little pop. And that is that, you know, if I was going to be so arrogant to consider myself an artist, that's where the artist is in the work. It's you want to put that contrast in there because I recognize that there's a contrast between my works in my personal.

Bob DeMarco 45:20

Yes. And an element of surprise is absolutely necessary for a force. For something that approaches art. I'm not going to call a knife fired because it's got purpose other than other than being appreciated, you know. So how do you how do you get a vehement knife? How does one, how does one find and actually acquire one? I know there aren't tons of them? Because they're all handmade. So what's the best way to get in touch with you? What's the best way to get get our hands on your work?

Unknown Speaker 45:49

That's the $64,000 question. It's not by design. It's not by throttling productivity and keeping scarcity and being this kind of vaporware that nobody can get you After the secret handshake, it's just we make it as fast as we can. I mean up until the time that we went live. I mean, I'm grinding in the shop. The best way to get a Vehement knife is going to be get on DLT tradings mailing lists the we've we've pared everything way down to one dealer, this one mouth to feed, it makes it much easier, get on their mailing list. Otherwise, Facebook is antiquated. as that's getting is our number one source for real time updates in our group, the vehement syndicate. And if you join the syndicate, we kind of have a program going and you know, we keep it pretty small. It's only about 2500. Members, we have well over 10,000 on our fan page, but our group, we keep small, we keep it intimate, and the syndicate has its privileges, we call it ship. And that's where we announced release dates. That's when we announce upcoming models, and we have our own private sale group. GFYfB Go fork yourself Facebook, because they, they were coming down on knife sales pretty hard and we wanted to separate all our groups from sales. But in there, you'll see a few sold. Secondary prices are astronomical I would pay as much as people are paying for one of my knives, but that's just what the market does. But yeah, so I would say the best place is honestly get into the habit syndicate on Facebook. And that's where you're gonna get the most real time information for release dates and drops.

Bob DeMarco 47:29

Well Matt Martin, congratulations for your success thus far on Vehement knives. I think you're, you're killing it and just, I mean, I just drool over the stuff you're putting out. I follow you on on Instagram and on I see what I can get on YouTube and I love looking at pictures of your work. I think you're doing awesome stuff. And I really like the niche that you're filling. And I think you're you're doing it the right way. Thank you so much for coming on the Knife Junkie podcast. It's been a pleasure.

Unknown Speaker 47:56

Thank you so much, Bob. And thanks Jim for hiding in the shadows over there and making this all work I appreciate it. And yeah much success to you guys and your podcast going into the future.

Bob DeMarco 48:06

Thank you sir.

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and we're back on the Knife Junkie podcast episode number 84. show notes about everything Bob and Matt talked about can be found at The Knife Junkie dot com slash 84 The Knife Junkie dot com slash eight four as well as links to Matt's Facebook page along with the Vehement syndicate on Facebook along with we have a nice website and the podcast behind the blade podcast. We'll have links to all that in the show notes. Bob, a good conversation with Matt, you said you've followed him for a while. What was your takeaway from actually now talking to the man?

Bob DeMarco 48:51

Well, you know, I follow a lot of knife makers who are starting their businesses or have started them and are making a goal at it and definitely Matt Martin is making a great go out of added. But the thing that really struck me is he's got, he speaks like an artist. He's got the soul of an artist. I went to art school. Eight years of art school, and I know how art artists speak and he kind of has that soul, you know, he gets latched on to something that fascinates him and consumes him and he works on something and create something. And then when he's done with it, he moves on to something else that consumes him. And that just struck me as sort of an artistic temperament. So it was great to kind of connect with him on that level.

Jim Person 49:37

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On the mid-week supplemental episode of The Knife Junkie podcast, Bob has a change of heart about the Zero Tolerance (ZT) 0223 and discusses the Strider SMF from Mick Strider. The Knife Junkie also salivates over the 2020 knives from TOPS, including the Yukon Hawk, a filet knife, the Night Spike and the Storm Vector, as well as new for 2020 knives from Ka-Bar.

In addition, Bob and Jim listen to two voicemails from listeners covering knife storage options and a listener’s favorite knives of 2019 (the Gerber Fastball and the Spartan Harsey), which had Bob drooling again! And let’s not forget the story about “Avocado Hand”!

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Announcer 0:03

Welcome to the Knife Junkie podcast your weekly dose of knife news and information about knives and knife collecting. Here's your hosts Jim Person and Bob The Knife Junkie DeMarco.

Jim Person 0:17

Hello Knife Junkie and welcome to the midweek supplemental episode of Knife Junkie podcast. I'm Jim the knife newbie person

Bob DeMarco 0:24

And I'm Bob DeMarco Welcome to the show

Jim Person 0:26

The Knife Junkie Bob you are him indeed.

Bob DeMarco 0:31

It is I indeed

Jim Person 0:32

The midweek supplemental episode of The Knife Junkie podcast where Bob gets a chance to, I'm gonna use my favorite word that I learned from Bob bloviate about knives. And if you don't know what that means, I don't either but I just love saying it. But Bob gets a chance to talk about knives and that's what we're gonna do tonight.

Bob DeMarco 0:49

It's kind of onomatopoetic, which is a hard word to say, but it's kind of it is what it sounds like. It's going on at length like a bag of hot air

Jim Person 0:57

like Wow, that's really a stretch For you, isn't it? Hey, we got a good show coming up for you today. Going to hear a couple of voicemails from listeners. We've promised to do that. So as long as you keep calling and leaving messages, we're going to keep playing them coming. That's right, mom's got a chance to talk about a knife he's had the opportunity to review the zt 0223 that money stew gave him to on loan to review and then we had just had the Super Bowl but going to talk about avocados and the Wall Street Journal so what does that mean? We'll find out we're gonna see what new knife is in mom's hand most recently wink wink the Strider SMF and we're going to have our knife life news segment. Of course, we'll also have some knife shows to take a look at and then our featured segment tonight Bob's gonna have a chance to talk about Mick Strider and Strider knives. So a jam packed show Bob.

Bob DeMarco 1:59

Yep, yeah. Indeed, actually, I'm going to talk a little bit more specific, specifically about the history of the SMF after receiving it, which I was going to leave as a surprise, but I guess that's not the possibility now, Jim, is it? You're like my wife you're full of spoilers, man. No kidding. But I'm going to talk a little bit about the SMF because after getting it back in hand, I used to have one and then I just bought one from Terrell. Zelick 42. And it's a it's a different model and oh my gosh, it's a revelation so made me do a little little tiny bit of research about it. It's an interesting knife.

Jim Person 2:34

Well, did you want to go and talk about your new Strider while while you while you broach the subject and I spoiled the spoiled the news?

Bob DeMarco 2:41

Well, you know what I think I want to talk first if you don't mind, let's go with with what you laid out and we'll we'll get back to that. That'll be kind of like a cliffhanger for people. Okay, but first, I want to urgently say that the zero tolerance 0223 I need to say that I gave it an unfair Jake now I don't know what in what show but I know it's been a couple of times on the Knife Junkie podcast, I've sort of lambasted the design of the 02 to three, kind of calling it things like superfloris or like busy or, or whatever and and having having mentioned my dissatisfaction with this knife, the 223 was kind of the big release for zero tolerance in 2019. One of our awesome listeners stew who's got a knife company up in Vermont called stone and steel and he goes around to different gun and knife shows up in New England and sells knives. Anyway, he got in touch with me said I think maybe you really need to get the two to three in hand before you make such severe and harsh judgments on such a lovely knife. Now he didn't say that like that. But that's that was what I inferred from this. So he sent me this knife. I've had it for nearly a week. I told him I would keep it for a week. He was very generous. He'll in his note to me to say, by the way, this is a loner. So check it out, make a video and please send it back because I love it so much. And I see why actually, when this knife was released, I remember looking at it and just kind of dismissing it and thinking boy, zero tolerance really lost their compass. It's a Tim galleon design Tim galleon works for Ki USA, I believe he's an in house designer, as well as a custom maker in his own right. And this knife is a tribute to military combat knives to our current bayonet. Also, you can see some influence of the K bar and the blade. And in looking at it on paper, it looks like there's a lot going on in the design. But then when you get it in hand, you know, to me, okay, I just made a video of this Jim. So this will post in the next week or so, a review of this just from carrying it for a week or so. And to me, there's one Too many design flourishes on it. But that being said, it's definitely not a deal breaker. This knife is extremely sharp, it's got great action has a wonderful feeling the hand it's like the perfect thickness and then this wraparound g 10 over the top of the handle the spine of the handle. I wrote off as a gimmick, you know, just because it's fun to make snap judgments sometimes. But in hand, boy, that g 10 going over the top and creating sort of a solid handle feel is great. So So this knife I just I just want to say here and now I definitely made a snap judgment due to my first impressions of the design of this knife, just aesthetically and then getting it in hand. You know, change me 180 degrees. I really dig this knife now.

Jim Person 5:47

Yeah. What's the one thing that you were surprised by?

Bob DeMarco 5:51

I was surprised that in person. The design looks great. I love the way it looks when I'm holding it in my hand. But it was making me angry when I was looking at it on paper for some reason. So polarizing design, you might say, but really getting an in hand and feeling the solidity of it. But also it's a you know, it rides beautifully in the pocket. It's not a very big knife. So you get a lot of blade for the size but, yeah

Jim Person 6:19

what was the you said there was one too many design flourishes. So you still have one additional design flourish you don't like?

Bob DeMarco 6:26

Yeah, okay, so so of the design flourishes, I would say the overall handle shape especially towards the tail end is, looks a little funky but in hand in reverse grip, the tail end of the knife is perfect for for locking your thumb on. So design flares, that's the first one the second one would be the G 10. Going over the top of the handle and third would be the sort of shell extractor shape of the forward part of the handle. The fourth would be the holes drilled in the handle there five little superfluous holes in the ricasso drilled in the fifth would be The cut through fuller and then the six would be the large notched jumping on top. So it's it's a busy looking thing, but in real life It seems fine to me like I said my I just wants to get rid of those five holes drilled into the ricasso other than that beauty.

Jim Person 7:18

All right. So the Z t 0223 is now on the knife junkies List of purchases?.

Bob DeMarco 7:26

It is not because The Knife Junkie his list of purchases has been too long for too long. So it's not there yet but i do dig it

Jim Person 7:34

alright so a great knife and review video that will be on the Knife Junkie YouTube channel at The Knife Junkie dot com slash YouTube Knife Junkie dot com slash YouTube and you can check that out and get to see it more in person if you will. And leave your comments to mom about if you agree or disagree with all these design flourishes and his change of tune about the zero 223 All right, let's move on. Let's get some feedback from our listeners, Bob going to the listener line, which by the way, you can call and leave a message 24 hours a day, seven days a week. That number is 724-466-4487 724-466-4487. There's not a voice mail message from The Knife Junkie so you won't hear him when you call. It'll just be a quick message with a recording to leave a message. But do so and we'd love to play your your comments on the air on an upcoming podcast. And one of these the first one Bob is from Dave from Connecticut, who was one of those that actually somehow got lost in our systems he had been a few months ago when he had called and we actually did a segment on the Thursday night knives show with this topic you wanted to know about knife storage and get some ideas how folks store their knives. So we use that for a Thursday night knives segment. Let's hear that now. And then I want to come back and get your thoughts on it.

Dave from Connecticut 9:07

This is Dave from Connecticut, a question I'd like to ask you for your show to consider as a question is the same one I emailed to you, but I think it's been a while because I think my email may end up in your journal. Anyway. Maybe you could do a show the best way to store life collections, because I found that with well over 100 folders that it is a challenge to keep them all in one place. Keaton readily available Keaton safe time in the wrong hands, etc, all at the same time. So I've seen a number of solutions. I have a few of my own and just wondering what you guys think. Okay, best of luck and great show.

Jim Person 9:51

Okay, Dave, thanks so much for that, that comment. And again, apologies for taking so long to get to it. Just one of those things, but nice Storage Bob, I know that's something you and I talked about in the early days of putting this podcast together. I was like, you know, as the knife newbie, that's kind of a question I had, how do you store these things after you buy two or 10 or 20? So yeah, a lot a lot of good suggestions and ideas.

Bob DeMarco 10:18

Yeah, I think a lot of people approach it. You know, in their different ways. I've seen it you know, a lot of it depends on where you're planning on taking your collection but in terms of size, I personally have found that a craftsman or otherwise you know, Husky or something like that, a metal tool chest with the ball bearing drawers and the in the top hatch is the way for me to go. I have a craftsman, it's got six drawers and a and a top of that swings open and I put some of that. You know that stuff you put under carpet or you putting into your cutting board that kind of cushions and stops things from moving around. Well, I I love Some outlined all the drawers with that so that the knives can can Nestle securely in the drawers without moving around when I open the drawers and without getting scratched up on the, on the metal surface of the drawers so to me that's that is my preferred way because I can also open up the drawer or open up the top and get a good view of a good number of knives at once. And I'm seeing the full sides of them. Whereas the second very, very, very popular option. I've always had that problem with it that you can't see the side to the knife and that's the Pelican case. Pelican cases are these awesome airtight or air I can regulate the air pressure inside for flight and they're waterproof cases that were originally designed for electronics and you know we use that a lot in video and those those kind of applications but a lot of people also store their knife collections and Pelican cases and you can get the The foam inserts that are optimized for plucking and and creating spaces for knives. And it's a great it's a great sort of innovative way to store your knives, but I have two main problems with them. The first one I just told you about is when you slip a knife into a pelican case, all you're seeing is the butt end or the or the top end, you can't see the full knife, you know, from the side. And to me, that's just something I like when I'm looking at my collection. That's a personal thing. My second problem with the Pelican case is that it's so very portable. You know, it's just a case with a great ergonomic handle, you know, that makes the whole thing seem like you can pick it up and walk right off with it.

Jim Person 12:39

Grab it and go.

Bob DeMarco 12:40

Yeah, exactly. Now, granted, you could take a tool chest, but it just takes a little more doing you know what I mean? So I love the Pelican idea. And I think it's probably a really great thing for the knives themselves to keep them secure from the elements. But the portability and the fact that you can really get a good view of the knives kind of bothers me. Now the third and final option that I'll cover and then of course there are many many many other ways to store knives but I think this is another popular way is now I'm not sure what to call these but they're like storage boxes you get at Bed Bath and Beyond and and you know you might you might store your winter clothes in them and put them in the attic. Well that's what we do in this house but you know the big plastic storage bins with the roads, right? That is what I keep my knife boxes in. I keep all the boxes to all the knives I have in case I decide to resell them. But I know that a lot of people like to store their knives either in cases or in the boxes they ship in and then keep those in those kind of plastic containers because they they supply a decent amount of protection from water damage anyway, and they're kind of a neat way to stack and stash things especially if you have a high volume of knives. Not all space to storm. Yeah, exactly, yeah. Okay.

Jim Person 14:04

So you have other storage options, we'd love to hear from you call the listener line at 724-466-44877 724-466-4487. And let us know what your favorite way to store your knives is.

Bob DeMarco 14:20

I'd be remiss if I didn't add right here that a good friend of the podcast and to Thursday night knives, Alex Tissot of Alex's knife box. Well, his whole channel and his whole you know, online identity is based around his knife storage, and he's, he's discussed it on the show. He has a sort of cool, clandestine way of storing his knives in a big leather. What do you call it kind of footstool slash coffee table thing that actually opens up and then has, you know, you can put safes and stuff inside so he has all of his amazing beautiful knives sort of hidden in plain view and And kind of unobtrusive in a piece of furniture that gets otherwise used

Jim Person 15:05

in a box, which is a knife box since Alex's knifebox. Exactly. Wow, he's smart. All right, thanks Dave for that question, get us thinking about knife storage options and another voicemail that we got from Tori Murphy, who was relaying back to a request from Episode Number 65 was The Knife Junkie his top 10 most carried knives of 2019 and he had some thoughts that really made The Knife Junkie go Hmm So let's use that is

Tori Murphy 15:42

Hey guys, Tori Murphy murph news on Instagram, just getting caught up listen to the podcast regarding Episode 55 you guys talking about best times of the year things like that. And I think you guys were pretty spot on with your taste. I don't have much of the same taste. So despite didn't do anything for me. But the job was basketball for me the probably, surprisingly eye opener, especially convert over the years they've dwindled as far as quality. It seems like they're trying to come back a little bit more American made there. They're focusing more on that. I was really surprised by that one. I ended up picking up a Spartan horsy folder that's lived in my pocket since I picked it up. And honestly, those are my two for the year. But for the rest of years, I was I was really impressed with the rest of the list. So get out there keep me sharp.

Jim Person 16:35

All right, Bob. So interesting comments there from Tori. And I know you were just like going, Oh,

Bob DeMarco 16:41

well, both knives resonated for two different reasons. He mentioned the Gerber fastball, and for me the fastball was the first knife I'd seen in the past couple of years coming out of Gerber that I said nice move and it felt good because in the 70s growing up, my dad had a Gerber It was sort of it was sort of a 110 ish Gerber but it had a sleeker more modern profile and it came in a beautiful leather case and he kept it way up on his bookshelf and whenever I could kind of grab it I would and and i coveted that thing and I always thought Gerber man someday when I'm older, I'm going to have a Gerber and you know, they sort of fell off a little bit, but now they're making their return and I think the fastball, what a great way to do that. And then he mentions the Spartan halsy, which is a knife that is on my short drool list. I love that knife. It is beautiful. Anything that bill Harvey lays his hand to his beautiful as far as I'm concerned, every knife I've ever seen him. He designed a Gerber knife that was cheap and not great, but it was beautiful. He has he has the eye in the hand. And so that's part and Harvey that's what I want to get my hands on. So when I heard him mention that I felt jealous, not envious. I want him to have one two. Okay, but I feel jealous. All right.

Jim Person 17:57

Well, good for Tori, calling in and Getting some feelings there from The Knife Junkie. So anyway, thanks to Dave and Tory both for calling and leaving messages on the listener line again please give us a call leave your comments your thoughts your questions. love to hear from you love to get some additional voices on The Knife Junkie podcast

Announcer 18:18

have a knife you want featured or reviewed. Call The Knife Junkie. 24 seven the listener line at 724-466-4487 and let us know

Jim Person 18:28

hey, Bob, Super Bowl last weekend Did you have a chance to get some chips and some dip? Or maybe some guacamole?

Bob DeMarco 18:36

Yeah, yeah, I did all of those things. But I The reason I The reason I really wanted to mention this bring this up is that I saw something hilarious and knife oriented because we got to keep it that way. Oh, absolutely. In the Wall Street Journal and it was here was the headline Super Bowl means avocado hand is back with a vengeance. And it made me think avocado man what is that again? Oh yeah, that's That's an ailment that afflicts hipsters making their avocado toast but who have no idea how to DC than avocado. And this was going around I remember a couple years back it was like this thing that was going around social media and the sidebar of the of the news websites where people were, you know, avocados for some reason after being on earth for several billion years, we're really hitting stride a couple of years ago with avocado toast and other avocado things. So people were cutting a lot of them and you know, you, you you, you stick the knife and you drag it around the the seed, you spin it and you open it up. And then you have to get the seed out of the one side and of course, it's kind of like golf ball shaped and everything is slimy in there. So how do you do that? Well, people were taking the point of their knives and trying to stab it and I really appreciate the spirit

Bob DeMarco 19:51

of the thrust by such

Bob DeMarco 19:53

but but in this case it was it's the wrong surface. A hard, slick rounded surface is the wrong thing to stab at so what you want to do so well so people were getting avocado hand which meant they were stabbing at the pit, the blade glanced off the pit and goes through the avocado which is very soft and through the hand. So it was a condition that was actually being recognized I believe by the AMA. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but it was a term that was getting serious play in the in the medical circles. Anyway, I'm here to tell you that if you if you don't know how to take the seed out of an avocado, I'm sure if you're listening to The Knife Junkie podcast you you probably know but after you you spend the avocado and you take the half away that does not have the seed. You just take the edge of the knife and you lightly hack into it and lightly hack the edge of it the straight edge of your blade into the seed and then you just turn it like a clock and it'll pop right out. So that's the way to do it. That's the way to avoid avocado hand

Jim Person 20:53

but if you want to read that article and learn more will have a link in the show notes at The Knife Junkie dot com slash 83 Three, Knife Junkie calm slash eight, three,

Announcer 21:03

you're listening to the Knife Junkie podcast. And now here's The Knife Junkie with the nightlife news.

Bob DeMarco 21:09

Alright, Jim. So the last couple of shows, we've been talking about revelations from the 2020 SHOT Show all the companies are coming out and showing what they're going to be featuring in their 20 2020 lineups. And I thought that was winding down and then I saw the tops releases, and you know, I love tops knives. So I have to tell you what, what I'm what I'm thinking from what I see here. As always, lots of cool things from tops, they're doing some new things. It seems like every year they challenge themselves in a way that, you know, just pushes their product line and expands the kind of people who their knives appeal to they started off as low speed high drag, you know, knives for operators, and no doubt they still make those kind of knives but they've also expanded into camp knives, outdoors knives, and even EDC. So this year A couple of things that are really turning my eye are they have this Yukon Hawk they have two new axes coming out this year. The Yukon Hawk is the smaller of the two it's got a almost five inch blade with a very uniquely shaped handle that really maximizes the leverage of an axe. I like that they're going into into x making they've been doing that for a few years now with their using their sort of signature, quarter inch thick 1095 crow van What a great material. And, you know, their their whole recipe for making a knife translates beautifully into making axes. In terms of chopping, we're talking about chopping, let's talk about the best idea or the beast. Yeah, I'm not sure how it's pronounced but since I don't see too as I'm going to call it the best year and it is a they call it the spiritual successor to the day. The chetta as you remember, was the big giant sort of cleaver a machete chopper designed by Leo Espinosa that came out last year. Well, this is like imagine a kukri but all the curves are straight lines. So it's a big inward turning chopper without curves. So it's two straight lines. It is a menacing unique looking thing and it also looks like it might present a challenge to sharpen in the in the elbow of the blade, but you know, it just looks like a brutal piece of outdoors like the equipment there. They have a great looking fillet knife coming out that that is built on the on the lioness platform that looks cool. They have something new this year, which is they're calling it the muli Skinner and saw and it's a combo for hunters. So you have a knife for skinning that looks somewhat reminiscent to the text Creek, but a little more spelt. And then you have the Muley saw that goes with it. And that's you know, for The sort of song applications you would need during hunting and they fit in complimentary sheath. And it's a cool little to tooled package to others that really jumped out at me, Jim, this one, I'm going to have to figure out how to get this really quickly. It's called the storm vector, storm vector.

Bob DeMarco 24:20

Cool name. It's a giant 12.7 inch seaux. It's it looks like it might be real, it's like machete length, but it's more like just a big giant Viking sacks. And you know, that's right up my alley. And I've never seen tops do something like this. It's got a very ergonomic looking handle curvy and looks like it provides great grip. And that terminates into this wildly Angular and creepy looking sacks blade. So I love that. And then the last knife from tops that I wanted to mention was no sorry, two more knives from tops. You know, every year they do an employee knife. Design Competition. You might remember Craig Powell mentioning that, well, this is the third year they've done that and what they've come up with or what one of the, one of the employees of tops came up with is a four and a half inch clip blade. It's very simple. It's called the trail seeker. It looks very simple, but extremely useful. And I gotta say, it's pretty handsome looking knife too. So it's cool that they do that. I think it's great gives the way to build morale and let let the let them take a little bit more ownership of the stuff they're making, right? two quick things, the unzipper also built on the lioness platform, except it's got an inverted blade, meaning the top edge where the spine of the blade normally is is sharp, and that is for very specialized kind of self defense uses. Interesting it's kind of trendy and interesting, but really takes a lot of getting used to and I i would hazard to say quite a bit of training to make that effective. But for those of you who do that, I have no doubt tops makes Great one. And then finally and I would say this is probably the one that they're leading with this year is the night spike. It's this very attractive or it sounds creepy saying that but it's a very nice looking recur tanto that is long and spiky and thin and it's got about half of the top edge is sharpened or sharpen a bowl. And really it's built to be a throwing knife, but it looks like a knife I would love to just have and just kind of wear on my belt. It's a five and a half inch knife that is really set up to throw. But I say sharpen it and wear it in the small your back

Jim Person 26:39

or keep it with

Bob DeMarco 26:40

you. That's right The night the night spike I'm not throwing that away.

Jim Person 26:44

So a lot of knives there from tops that you wanted to hit. Yeah.

Bob DeMarco 26:49

Thank you for indulging me but you know every year they just they make so many knives and as I mentioned when I spoke with Craig Powell, it always amazes me that they have such Huge and broad product line and then when you go to the major retailers, they almost always have it all available except for the things that they've retired you know a good.

Jim Person 27:11

Alright, so tops but also quickly some new knives from K-bar that you want to do.

Bob DeMarco 27:16

Yes, real quickly the Becker bK 18 that's another Ethan Becker knife but this one's a little bit smaller. It's a four and a half inch 4.6 inch, a harpoon style kind of clip point blade, I would call it him It looks kind of like a harpoon style bow. But this is unique in that it's it's set up with a polymer sheath and it's got a tan coding and to me it just looks a little more tactical than camp. And I always kind of think of Ethan Becker stuff is outdoors and camping. This list looks a little more stabby and adventure some. And then the other knife from K-bar that is very interesting to me, is the new Gunny knife. It's the last project that arlie Urmi as you know him as Gunny. He was the drill sergeant In Full Metal Jacket very involved in the knife community before his death and he worked on this it's a beautiful big looking outdoors knife 9.75 inches it's a 1095 it's got a big leaf shape recurved to me the reason I like it so much is it's evocative kind of a wrong you know of a Filipino barong with with some with some fresh English put on it, but it's a very attractive looking knife so I think they're gonna, they're gonna hit the ground running with that one.

Announcer 28:30

And now that we're caught up with a knife life news, let's hear more of The Knife Junkie podcast.

Jim Person 28:36

All right back on The Knife Junkie podcast,

Jim Person 28:37

kind of a featured segment one of the chance to talk a little bit more in depth about the Strider, s m f. So I'll just let you bloviate

Bob DeMarco 28:47

Well, thank you as you know, I got my new SMF from Terrell Todd, you know misael Rick 42 we were talking on the last Thursday night knives are a couple of weeks back and He was mentioning we were talking about striders. And he mentioned his nice little collection. I said, if you're ever looking to unload one I've been looking for an SMF for a while, and boy did he have one for me that he was looking to get rid of an SMF it's a concealed carry. That means it's thinner than your average Lego SMF. And it's a handle is contoured, and it really rides in pocket beautifully. He sent it to me, I got it. today. I've been so excited about it. And I've been doing a little research about it. And I just wanted to I just wanted to bloviate about it. The SMF was actually originally designed for the first Special Operations Command unit of the of the Marine Corps called detachment one and so this was an outfit that that it was the first outfit in the Marine Corps to be issued a knife. In 40 years since World War Two the last knife that was issued was the marine Raider stiletto along thin sort of Fairburn, Sykes inspired murdery sort of dagger thing. Not great for utility great for great for a couple of tasks. And so this, this group thought they might be doing some covert operations. So they decided they wanted a folding knife, something robust, like a fixed blade knife, but something that could fold so they could move about slightly more discreetly. So that's, that's what they ended up making it. So mixed writer designed, designed the SMF. And they ended up making 100 300 versions of the knife. They made this is interesting 150 for these operators in the Marine Corps, and then they made 150 for civilians, and they made the civilian version with black g 10. Whereas the military version was a coyote Brown, and they put serial numbers on the civilian version. And yeah, yeah, and and so the whole purpose of Doing that was to sort of offset the cost to the Navy of commissioning these knives

Jim Person 31:07

and nice Yeah,

Bob DeMarco 31:09

yes. And and in doing so created a rabid fan base for this knife. It this this knife was as one general mentioned, selected by built for and issued to the United States Marine Corps. SOCOM detachment one.

Jim Person 31:25

That's pretty cool. You said that so well.

Bob DeMarco 31:27

Didn't that sound cool? And now I have one. I'm very excited. So yeah, I've got the holy triumvirate back together. That's the Hinderer Strider Chris Reeve sort of triumvirate so I'm going to see how that works for me.

Jim Person 31:41

Okay. What? Explain that again for me real quick, the triumvirate

Bob DeMarco 31:45

oh well it's these are the three royal holy knives of tactical knife you know legacy Okay, so So everyone well in the knife world for a long time, they were considered the three greatest Folding tactical knives, the Chris Reeve sebenza the Xm 24 or Xm 18 by Rick hinderer and the Strider SMF or sng

Jim Person 32:10

which now you have to complete Yes. All right, cool.

Bob DeMarco 32:14

All is good now All right.

Jim Person 32:16

So a little bit of kind of first tool-ish segment they're a little bit of history but I was kind of cool story there to learn how it came about and offsetting the cost to the military that's that's kind of cool.

Bob DeMarco 32:27

Yeah, because you know, they they need whatever

Jim Person 32:31

Yeah, well, we won't go there but yeah, nice, nice nice touch or thought or marketing ploy or whatever. Yeah. All right.

Announcer 32:38

You know you're a Knife Junkie. If you love your knives more than your kids.

Jim Person 32:43

Hey, before we get out of here last minute or two of the show do want to remind you we try to cover some nice shows to put on your calendar only one in February. If you want to go to Las Vegas be nice and warm there. If you happen to be in the in the north. Be my good time to get away. If it were a 28 the sun March 1 that's in Las Vegas, the Las Vegas custom knife maker show. Several shows in March not going to get a chance to cover all of them. But March six and seven, go to Troy, Ohio for the spirit of the blade custom knife show. Then Friday, March 13 to Saturday, March 14, that's the track rock hammer and that's going to be in blairsville, Georgia, North Carolina, the Tar Heel cutlery club show that's going to be Friday and Saturday, March 20 and march 21. Arkansas knife show that's a big one that's going to be Saturday, March 21. That's going to be in Little Rock, Arkansas, the Dalton Georgia knife road show March 27 and 28 and then the Bunker Hill nightclub show March 27 and march 28. Also Friday and Saturday, as in gun free Illinois. And again, thanks to our friends at knife magazine that puts together an awesome list of knife shows and knife club events, which is where we're pulling this information from the knife magazine.com slash events So Bob as we wrap up this midweek supplemental episode of The Knife Junkie podcast episode number 83, you can find show notes for and links to things that we've mentioned here at The Knife Junkie dot com slash eight three, turn it over to you for the final word from The Knife Junkie.

Bob DeMarco 34:16

Well I would say this do check in with our Thursday night knives because oftentimes we break out some of the things we mentioned right here in this podcast and we get a chance to open them up and really talk about so definitely check out Thursday night knives and comment, engage and let's let's get the conversation going.

Jim Person 34:33

Yeah, and if you're listening to this podcast when it drops as they say on Wednesdays, Thursday night knives is tomorrow night. But if you're listening after the fact on Thursday, join us tonight. If you're listening on a Friday or Saturday hey go to The Knife Junkie comm slash live. That's Li ve we have an archive of all the past episode of Thursday night knives right there that you can listen and watch. All right, thanks for listening and joining us on the Knife Junkie podcast. for Bob The Knife Junkie DeMarco I'm Jim Person saying thanks for joining us

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Slicey Dicey 0:00

I hate that when people say I bought a knife and I didn't like it so I returned it that's really crappy to do to the retailer interesting you know like if you bought it something's wrong with it then return it but if you bought it and you just made a bad choice Yeah, you may have a bad choice

Announcer 0:16

Welcome to the Knife Junkie podcast your weekly dose of knife news and information about knives and knife collecting. Here's your hosts Jim Person and Bob The Knife Junkie DeMarco

Jim Person 0:30

Hello Knife Junkie and welcome to episode number 82 of the Knife Junkie podcast I'm Jim Person.

Bob DeMarco 0:36

And I'm Bob DeMarco. Welcome to the Knife Junkie podcast.

Jim Person 0:38

The Knife Junkie podcast is the place for knife newbies and Knife Junkie to learn about knives and knife collecting and hear from the knife designers, the knife makers, manufacturers reviewers and anyone who loves knives and that's what we're all about here on the Sunday weekend. edition of the Knife Junkie podcast and Bob, another great show today. A YouTube youtuber that were gonna talk to

Bob DeMarco 0:40

Yep, one of my go to knifer viewers slicey dicey. Bryan ball, he's a comedian. He's a bike expert, podcaster and reviewer of those products but he's been doing. He's been doing knife reviews for going on three years as slicey dicey, and he's just burning it up and he he's got a great sort of rotation in and out of his collection. I'm going to, you're going to see he's a very disciplined fellow he can, he can let knives come and go and in a way that is difficult for some like myself, but I think maybe that discipline is part of the success of his channel. It's it's been around for not too long, but it's doing great and of course it's his personality and his and what he brings to the reviews himself, but also he maintains this discipline, keeps his collection somewhat limited and lets the knives flow in and out so he can review and bring us all information.

Jim Person 2:04

Alright, sounds good we'll get to that interview coming up next but first I want to remind you about The Knife Junkie comm slash knives. That's a page on the Knife Junkie website that features knives for sale. So if you're in the market for a new knife, be sure to check out that page. The Knife junkie.com slash knives and who knows, maybe you'll find your next knife right there.

Announcer 2:27

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Bob DeMarco 2:34

I'm here with Brian Paul. You know him as slicey dicey on YouTube, preeminent knife reviewer and also a man into bikes comedy and a lot of other things but we're here to talk to slicey dicey Brian about knives How you doing, sir? Thanks for coming on The Knife Junkie podcast.

Slicey Dicey 2:51

Thank you very much for having me. It's cool. I do believe this is my knife podcast debut. I think so. Maybe I've done one. Yeah, but I did my own for half a minute. But I think this is my first guest appearance.

Bob DeMarco 3:04

Well, we were just talking before we rolled that you you've done a lot of bike podcasting, so you're no stranger,

Slicey Dicey 3:09

yeah. And comedy podcasts and stuff. Yeah, everybody, everybody podcasts now it's the wave of the future I hear.

Bob DeMarco 3:16

Yeah. And you know what, it's so funny because it's actually right from the past. It's just like radio on demand. Yeah. Yeah. So it just goes to show we're not we're not, you know, we can handle long form. We're not lucky.

Slicey Dicey 3:26

I was a sports broadcaster for a couple years too, so.

Bob DeMarco 3:30

Oh, really?

Slicey Dicey 3:31

Yes. Yeah... I spend a lot of time listening to the sound of my own voice.

Bob DeMarco 3:34

And is it as fantastic as

Slicey Dicey 3:36

Oh, it gets old? gets old quick. Yeah, it's like now I'm kind of tired of the sound of my own voice. So it's weird how like, I don't know how long you guys been doing this, but like your voice changes unintentionally.

Bob DeMarco 3:47

Oh, really? What do you mean?

Slicey Dicey 3:48

Yeah, he like you kind of like your radio voice just becomes how you talk. Right? You know, and it's weird. I've noticed that since I think my rate my sports talk show was 9098 ninety Nine. Since then, like, I still have tapes of my old shows, and it's like my voice is totally different now than it used to.

Bob DeMarco 4:08

Well, I want to talk about your channel that you just posted a video where I was flabbergasted and you are obviously touched and blown away but these, this viewer of yours sent you three magnificent gifts

Unknown Speaker 4:21

one of the best ones in my pocket today actually, it's actually what I was carrying today. So yeah, I should put it in a safe and never touch it, but it's too good not not to carry around

Bob DeMarco 4:32

and and and the story behind your personal connection to it is amazing. But so tell me tell me what this gentleman sent you.

Unknown Speaker 4:40

So this is a they sent me a spyderco coochie and a Spyderco embassy. They're not in range of where I can grab them right now, which they're both really cool too. I didn't know the embassy existed, because I'm not really in the autos because I live in New York. So I never even knew that thing existed. And that was really cool. And then the coochies great actually carried it last night on office park. It's a great little, you know, nice gentleman's night. But uh, yeah, he sent me this hender Xm 18 with the Flying Tigers were hog scale on it and I used to be in the Flying Tigers and I just assumed must be knew that. But he did not. It was just he knew I was in the Air Force but he didn't know that and it was just forget the fact that it's a very expensive knife. Just that just yeah, that got me

Bob DeMarco 5:27

Explain what is the Flying Tigers insignia

Unknown Speaker 5:29

the Flying Tigers as they started World War Two. They were volunteers that fought for China before we actually entered the war, pre pro harbor and they were just volunteers and they eventually got incorporated into the Army Air Corps and then you know, the Air Force. And they have just moved they moved around a whole lot. When I was with them. They were Pope Air Force Base, and we were what they called a composite wing. I think I said it called it combined wing on my thing, but it's composite wing and And that meant we had c 130s F16s and A10s and we were the only Squadron allowed to have nose art in the nose art was this you know that typical you know with the with the Tigers teeth and all that we were the only squadron on the winge allowed to do that. And it looked pretty crappy on the 130s looked okay on the F 16s looks awesome on A10s and that's still when you see a picture of an 810 it usually has the Tigers teeth on it

Bob DeMarco 6:28

oh it's such a gnarly looking plane and to have those teeth

Slicey Dicey 6:31

yeah cuz the guns coming out of the mouth and it because that's just a flying gun. Yeah and most useful plane in the inventory. That's why they're still around they keep threatening to kill it. They never do. But uh, yeah, I was in command and control there. So I sat in a bunker I didn't fly, but I just sat in the bunker and kind of coordinated stuff basically was my my job.

Bob DeMarco 6:51

So is this where your love for knives began? in the armed forces?

Unknown Speaker 6:55

No, not really. Honestly. I had a sidearm. You know, we were always Armed but I'm just a nine mil I didn't even had I mean I was qualified on am 16 but I was terrible at it I can't shoot a long gun to save my life four times Mark four times over marksman and the handgun though. I couldn't couldn't shoot a long gun to save my life. I'm very right hand and very left eye dominant. So it's it's pretty difficult but a handgun I can shoot with both eyes open and I do good. But um, no, not really. I was in for four years. I got out for two. I was doing a sports talk show and racing mountain bikes a little bit. And then I went back in the Air Force, and I guess that's kind of where I started to get into knives. I was over in Germany and we were doing a joint exercise was the Special Operations guy and one guy just were like Special Operations guys. And they, one of them just he had a cool knife like it was an automatic and open it up and I said Oh, that's cool. He goes here you want it and it got issued to me hearing it and he handed it to me turned out to be a benchmade AFO Sweet. Um, I didn't know that I didn't know anything about knives at the time. So this was probably 2003 four. And I kept it around and you know, I had other I had other knives I had my dad's, you know, Swiss Army knife, that kind of stuff. But uh, no, I really, really wasn't that into them until only about three let me know I guess now about four years ago. Yeah, that's when I really started getting into I finally went out and bought myself a CRKT m 16 of some variant. Mm hmm. And I don't remember which one it was. There's so many and, and I liked that. That was cool. But I think the one that finally got me I did a video about the knife that broke me as I bought a Spyderco Mannix 2 lightweight and and I was like you know, these things are pretty cool. And I really got into it then and started buying more. And then I started the channel in November, two years ago and wow. And it took off and it became a thing and I was like, Well, I'm guess I'm gonna put some effort behind this.

Bob DeMarco 9:05

It sure has become a thing. I mean, you came on my radar probably not too long after you started because I'm always trolling for nice videos you know? Yeah me too how it is and yes, all the sudden here you were and doing cool stuff too. I mean, now at this point you you have your we ekly live show on Sunday nights brews and blades.

Slicey Dicey 9:25

Yeah, that's been a lot of fun.

Bob DeMarco 9:27

And you also have the battle to the death seires.

Slicey Dicey 9:32

Yeah, and which I can't I

Unknown Speaker 9:34

can't put in the title or the description. I get demonetized i can i can say it. I can say it and they're fine with it. But

Bob DeMarco 9:44

now I'm trying to think of how you write it out. Do you do I just

Unknown Speaker 9:47

don't write it out. I just say whatever verses whatever. Okay, and then I just say it in the video but yeah, it's just they're weird little rules like the funniest one I ever got. demonetized was the WE Malice because I put we knives malice and they demonetised it by took the word knives out of it. And it was fine. We have so much malice, you know, it's all good. Yeah, it's like knives. It's like the knives and the malice. I guess I hit two words they don't like yeah so

Bob DeMarco 10:16

triangulated and then with the we it sounds like you're trying to organize. Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 10:20

yeah. I didn't think about that. Yeah, you're right. They probably thought I was trying to organize a protest or something.

Bob DeMarco 10:26

So okay, I'm trying to get to the very heart of it. There was a moment where you like before you bought that Spyderco lightweight, Mannix and and you started getting into them for some reason or another. Was there a okay. Just lay background for you. For me. It's martial arts and aesthetics. I love the thickness of them. And then I also like the weapon Enos of them because I've been doing Kali for a long time. And then what was the what was the Was it an actual need, which I don't have it's more of a fan fascination.

Slicey Dicey 10:55

I just like mechanical things and I You know working on bikes all the time out in the garage and I got tired of having you know crappy knives and stuff and I just needed a good knife and I bought that I'm 16 and it was alright but I I'm one of those kind of guys I do research about products after I buy them. So I went down to like, I don't know like a Bass Pro Shops that came our way out here. They're gone now. It was one of these big you know, box store things and I bought the M 16. And then I got then I got home and I looked on YouTube and looked up videos and I found you know, guys like nothing fancy and you know Shibez and stuff like that and I started watching the videos and and then I do believe I think it might have been Gideons tactical, I think maybe did a review about the manage to lightweight and about how amazing it was. And that was the first knife I ordered online. And I got it and I love it still have it. Just a great knife. Very excited that they're coming out with a new one with that new steel and it kind of sucks. But excited to see that.

Bob DeMarco 12:01

Is that the SPY27?

Slicey Dicey 12:03

Yeah, don't mean good or not, but I'm okay. It's another it's just used to get another man. It's too late. Wait, so Yeah, fine. But yeah, and I got into that, and then I started watching more and more of the videos, I bought a couple more, and then actually told the story before on my live show and stuff. But uh, in November of 2017, my dog died. And her last act on this earth was to bite my hand quite badly. She was already drugged up halfway through the process of having her foot down and she didn't know what she was doing. But I hurt my hand enough that I couldn't really type and the bike industry shuts down november december anyway. And that's was my main occupation at the time. So I had nothing else to do and I was sitting around watching nice videos, I thought, you know what I could maybe I could do that. I mean, maybe I could, I could do that. I've been a broadcaster before you know and I know about reviewing stuff. I'm going to prop been reviewing products for 24 So like, I know the basics of it. So I went down to Best Buy and bought a crappy, you know, table mount thing for my iPhone and, and shot a few videos and two months later, I had like 1000 subs. And I was like, Well, I guess this is the thing now I have a nasty habit of turning job turning a very good hobbies into jobs. Hmm. So that's kind of what I've done with this and it's it's kind of taken off and and I really like I like the people I've I've had I expected more bad reactions than I've gotten by a by a long margin. I don't fit the demographic 100% so I wasn't sure how that was going to go and

Bob DeMarco 13:46

what do you perceive the demographic?

Slicey Dicey 13:48

Well, I'm not I'm not into guns. And you know, I don't I don't carry a gun. I just don't. I used to and I just don't like it anymore. You know, I'm I'm not I'm not Particularly GOP oriented, and I would consider myself a moderate, but I'm not like a super, you know, Republican kind of guy. And that's just how I assumed everybody was going to be. And it's not, you know, every it's very wide range people, you know, going to blade show was great. Everybody was cool. Like, I didn't have any run ins with anyone. It was, it was great. And it was really eye opening. And it was just like, yeah, we're all just, we're all just folks who like sharp things.

Bob DeMarco 14:28

Yeah, it's a it's an amazing cross section of people who are in denial I find just because that's my background in training, I find a lot of arts people in the arts gravitate towards Yeah, words, knives as as tools and as things of beauty and amazing engineering. And you really can be surprised.

Slicey Dicey 14:49

My wife's a photographer, we were at an art show and no bonusing one of her friends and his show this, you know, beautiful photography. And that was one of the few places where somebody walked up to me and said, Hey, what's that your pocket? You know, they saw the pocket clip and then they had a Spyderco something or other in their pocket too. And it was, it was kind of cool.

Bob DeMarco 15:06

Yeah, it's probably creepy. But if I can identify it, I'm like, oh, how do you like your Kershaw leek? And I like Yeah, why are you looking at my pants, man? Yeah, it's like I noticed the clip. All right,

Unknown Speaker 15:16

yeah, I had to one time scared the hell out of me. I thought for sure I was in a lot of trouble. Um, I was pumping gas and cop pulled up at the pump across started pumping gas. And I was carrying a knife that is it's a so in my town. There's a three inch blade limit in the city of Rochester, but it's only like a violation. If you get a ticket for it's like a traffic ticket. It's not a big deal. But I knew I had a three and a half inch knife in my pocket. And he pulled up and was he's pumping his gas and he looked at me and he goes, is that a hinder? And I was like, yeah, and he goes, Can I see it? And I thought I'm screwed. And I pulled it out. was a three and a half inch Hinderer and he just took me took that it flipped a couple times because I mean this really cool I've been thinking about getting more and more they work the money I'm like, Yeah, they are and he's like, Okay, cool. Here you go and handed it back to me like yeah, no intention to do anything. He just wanted to see it. Yeah,

Bob DeMarco 16:13

yeah, yeah.

Slicey Dicey 16:15

It was funny

Bob DeMarco 16:16

one enthusiast from another he recognized that Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 16:19

it does recognize that the Hinderer clip which is very distinctive, ya know what they are? Yeah.

Bob DeMarco 16:24

So how how has having this channel and obviously, having the channel must inspire acquisitions, whether it's you buying or people or companies offering to send stuff to you, whatever, how has running this channel and being responsible for putting out content changed your collecting philosophy or or built collecting philosophy?

Slicey Dicey 16:48

I would say it's eliminated by collecting philosophy. I mean, I don't I have. I probably only own I know this only only I can say this in this podcast when anybody rolling their eyes. I think I only own about maybe, maybe 50 at the most. And probably only, like, you know, 13 or 14 are for me, it's mostly for the channel. And I don't keep really expensive stuff very often anymore. Because like I said, I turn hobbies into jobs. So I keep track of the videos that people watch. And people on my particular channel, don't watch the videos of the four or $500 knives, they just, they just don't so I usually try and keep most of my stuff under under 200 like maybe 250 I have a couple that I go over here now and then, you know, just to let people know that Yeah, I know that stuff exists, but um, a lot of stuff doesn't stay around very long. I guess maybe under 300 I guess it's better. Yeah, like 300 and under like I have several of those budgets. And those get those get watch but anything over like 300 bucks, just nobody watches the videos. So I used to have a lot more expensive stuff and like when I do knife sales people always say hey, you know why you sell now you said you love it

Bob DeMarco 18:09

well you love that man I did but

Slicey Dicey 18:11

I did but I need to buy more to create more content so I gotta feed the beast as I always say and you know I do sell a lot of stuff that I like you know, I mean, I know the first one I did that with was one of the channel was pretty young I bought a sebenza and it was great. But I'm holding it in my hand going I can buy four more knives to review for this so I sold it and you know bought four more knives to review and I have to do that a bit less now because now I can just ask nicely and companies will loan stuff to me or sometimes give them to you which is great. And if if they do I always I always say so. But I've been doing this long enough that getting a free knife doesn't affect me as far as bias and all that stuff because like it. I have a I have a $7,000 recumbent trike in my garage right now. Like it. It takes A lot more than a $200 knife to make me you know, change my mind about something, right? I have a review philosophy I've always had and I stick to it.

Bob DeMarco 19:10

If you had to boil down your criteria for judging a knife, you know whether it's worth your money or you know,

Unknown Speaker 19:18

I'd say it's ergonomics for me primarily is the thing that I care the most about. If it's not comfortable to use, you're not going to use it. Steel matters a whole lot. But you know, some some companies do a really good job with subpar steel. Some do not. But overall you know, is def good steel is ergonomic. Is it fun to use, you know is that is not necessarily fidgety? But you know, just fun to use overall. And then does it carry Okay, I would say is my forte, those are the really only four things I really, I really care about. I bring it up in reviews because other people care a lot but you know at a slightly off center blade or something doesn't really bother mean that much for something that I'm going to get for myself? It's annoying. But it's not something that really just makes me completely want to throw something in the bin. You know, people get so mad. You know, people get so weird the way it is. quarter, whatever off center, it doesn't matter. No it doesn't matter, stop it or send it back to the company and get it fixed. Well, I don't I'm just going to send the whole thing back and I don't want another one.

Bob DeMarco 20:25

Yeah, they're dead to me now.

Slicey Dicey 20:27

Yeah. I hate that. When people say I bought a knife and I didn't like it. So I returned it that's really crappy to do to the retailer. Interesting. You know, like, if you bought it, something's wrong with it, then return it right. If you bought it and you just made a bad choice. Yeah, you made that choice. resell it. Don't, don't put it back on them.

Bob DeMarco 20:45

Exactly. Send it along. Someone else will get it. You know who will like it and want to use it and they'll get a deal and that always feels good to do. You know, I've been I've been on a little blade forums, tear. I don't want to call it a tear. It's just a couple of recent purchases.

Slicey Dicey 21:01

I had to quit blade forums. I don't I don't go on there anymore. Why for that reason so mad. I would just also mad about stuff. Yeah.

Bob DeMarco 21:08

Oh, you mean getting involved in conversation?

Slicey Dicey 21:10

Yeah.

Bob DeMarco 21:11

So So let me ask you how important our knife world scandals, I mean

Unknown Speaker 21:17

oh my god, it's it is I guess the one that I had I had to comment on was this HRC thing because it went everywhere, not just blade forums, not just YouTube, it was everywhere. And that one I had to I had to kind of comment on a little bit but I try and stay out of them. You know, especially if it involves like an individual person. You know, I don't want to get I don't want to get into that.

Bob DeMarco 21:46

You mean if people are piling on a maker or something like that?

Slicey Dicey 21:49

Yeah, it's usually like an individual guy. It's usually like this might like I'm not even gonna say the names but we know four or five names that have come up in the scandals in recent years and and yeah, a couple of them. I'm I'm pretty mad at them. They were friends of mine, and I don't talk to them anymore. But I just don't I just don't talk about it publicly. Like there's no, there's no point in it, you know? Yeah.

Bob DeMarco 22:10

So what was your feeling about the HRC police issue?

Slicey Dicey 22:17

I think that perhaps, perhaps the companies that spend hundreds of thousands of dollars hiring metallurgists and whatnot, maybe they know what they're doing. And maybe you shouldn't have a giant fed about it. That was kind of my summary of it. Yeah, some steals, they run softer. But some companies were doing that on purpose. They knew they were running too soft, but that's the way they wanted it. And if you don't like it, then don't buy it. You don't need to have a big giant

about it. You know,

Bob DeMarco 22:52

did you engage? You said this was one of the things that you had to chime in,

Slicey Dicey 22:57

Yeah, I made a video about it, but

Bob DeMarco 23:00

How did that go? What was the reception like?

Slicey Dicey 23:03

Okay, because I know all those guys and I'm friends with them. And I know I know that I know their hearts in the right place. But I guess what upset me the most about that wasn't what they found what they found is great information to know. Absolutely. And I do stand behind it, it's a worthwhile thing they're doing. What offended me was the Glee you know, just we found something wrong. We're smarter than everybody else. Let's make a bunch of memes and put them on Instagram. That was cool. You know that was just childish and and that's basically what I said in the video is like yeah, you found some good information people to have but you know, maybe benchmade did it that way because they wanted to and maybe you shouldn't have taken a victory lap you know over it. And that rubbed me the wrong way because my review philosophy is always that I'll do if I if I review something I know it's going to be badnesses knives, whatever I do. I know it's gonna be bad review. I don't ambush anybody. I let them know ahead of time. What I'm sorry. What do you mean like the company? Yeah. I'll contact the company and say, Hey, this is I don't like this, this is gonna be a bad review. And if, and if if they give me their side, I'll put that in the review doesn't mean I'm going to change what I said, right? But I'll put their side in it, you know, and that's, that's all you gotta do. Yeah, that that is an amazingly fair and like level headed approach. I think it's just purely professional approach. Like I just I think everybody should do that. I was taught that I worked for Wired and wired.com told me that like that was they taught me how to review things. And I'd already been reviewing things for a hired by them, but they're the ones lander cainy, book editor mind, great guy. He's the one who taught me how to properly do things. And he taught me to do that. And he also taught me one thing that I will always remember. And it's, um, if you I sent in a phone review that had a bunch of like battery drain tests and all kinds of really technical stuff in it, and he cut it all out and he said, uh, if you Put super technical stuff and reviews, the 25 people who care are just going to tell you that you did it wrong. Still don't do it. And that's the way I've always been with review stuff. But that rings true, man. Yeah, it's just that nobody cares. And the people who do care are going to tell you that your testing was wrong, because it doesn't agree to what they want to think. So just don't just don't do it. And other people do it better than me. I also don't play a game that I don't think I can win. And those guys, there's Cedric and ADA, you know, super steel Steve, other guys, they do so much better job, it's still testing than I ever will. So why, why should I do it?

Bob DeMarco 25:38

Right? It can be fun, you know, to watch a reviewer using the knife, you know, for a minute cutting cardboard, or cutting wood or whatever, but after a while it that that grows tiresome.

Unknown Speaker 25:50

I mean, I enjoy the videos. I'm just saying they're better at it than I am. And they catch so much flak. Oh, you know that. It's just like, I'm not gonna deal with that. Like I said, the 25 People who care while tell you did it wrong and right, I just don't, I just don't want to get into it. So I don't,

Bob DeMarco 26:06

I have to say it never would have occurred to me personally to contact the company to say I'm about to put this thing up forever online that's lambasting in your, your hard work. And but it's a very, I like that.

Unknown Speaker 26:20

I'm up front, and I say, I'm not gonna change my mind. Yeah. Like, I've already made my decision, but you should know, do you have an opinion about it? And that's better than putting it up and then asking for their, their response later. You know, and in in the knife community, I've done that three or four times and all three times they haven't wanted to say anything. They've been like, no. Okay, that's all right

Bob DeMarco 26:43

Who do you think does it best Who are your favorite knife companies in terms not just in terms of product but in terms of, you know, they're out there. They're forward facing, their outward facing look

Unknown Speaker 26:55

to deal with I would say Benchmade's always been very responsive, very responsive to me. Spyderco most of the time is when they're busy. They're busy though. That's kind of just because everything goes you know, through Sal and Eric. So when they're busy, the Ferrun forage guys always respond to me immediately. trm is fantastically easy to get ahold of. Yeah, I would say those guys.

Bob DeMarco 27:21

So knives, bikes comedy. We're going to get to the comedy in a second. But you now right for knives illustrated. Yeah, I just started actually, I just so tell me about that.

Unknown Speaker 27:31

So oddly enough. One of our very good friends is his couple we hang out with and I guess I could best describe her as a drinking buddy. And she posted a picture on Facebook of her holding knives illustrated like a copy. They were in a weird town somewhere and it was like on the newsstand. So she was like, hey, the my magazines on here and I'm like, What do you mean? That's your magazine? I never knew that's what she did. Like I knew that she was a magazine editor, but I didn't know what magazine. It was. Then she was like, Yes. Knife illustrated, like, I'm slicey dicey on YouTube and she was like, What? And then it just worked out. So yeah, it's a it's we both work from home from a magazine company, which is based in California, I believe. And we live three blocks from each other. So it's in New York. So um, yes, cool. I'm writing a few articles for the June July issue. It's you know, it's pretty it's way ahead, but um, yeah, the SHOT Show is show have a few articles and and then yeah, it's gonna be a thing.

Bob DeMarco 28:30

What kind of articles or topics do you hope to tackle?

Slicey Dicey 28:35

Well, I'm doing an interview with Marian Halpern from trm and this one, I'm doing a review some kitchen knives, which I'm having to learn a lot about kitchen knives. And then they have a knives one on one monthly columns. And I'm doing like helping people put together a basic tool kit for maintaining your knives. So it's me stuff like that. Reviews, interviews, knives, one on one stuff, and yeah, they've been previously more of a fixed blade sort of oriented magazine, but that's all changing.

Bob DeMarco 29:03

So do you think? Do you think in general, that's where things are right now? folders? Mostly? Or?

Slicey Dicey 29:09

I mean, for me it is I don't I don't have that much interest in fixed plays. And like I said, other people do better. It's the same thing again. So like, right, right. People asked, Why don't review fix plays like because other people do better. And it's I don't want to play catch up. And you know, 45 freakin years old. I don't want to. I think I've learned everything I can learn. Nothing. My brain is full. Sometimes.

Bob DeMarco 29:32

Right? Right. So stick to what you know. And what Yeah,

Slicey Dicey 29:34

yeah. Don't Don't play games. You can't win.

Bob DeMarco 29:37

Well, okay, so you mentioned trm. And I hope this isn't a leading question, because I am not trying to get a specific answer out of you. But that reminded me I wanted to ask you what your favorite knife over 2019 was,

Unknown Speaker 29:50

oh, the I did a video about it. So it's not a leading question. Yeah, the atom. The trm atom is just a phenomenal movie. It's funny whenever I show that knife, that And I'm less than others, but usually when I ever show a knife that's kind of hard to get your hands on, people get a bit upset, like so there's a small amount that they're like that but I have to wait three months to get one. Well, yeah, but it's still great. And they're working on that they're getting it faster. I know like they've posted on Instagram, they've got a couple new big giant CNC machines and all that stuff. And yeah, Maryann told me that they're hoping to have their weight their waitlist down to like less than three months and stuff like six months and you know by middle of next year and and I have confidence they'll get that done. I mean, right now there it's not that bad. I ordered a nerd. I went to nerd about three months ago and I guess arrives tomorrow and I don't get anything special from them at all like I don't I just want to specify that and neither does Shibez because we're the two that kind of make them all sell out. And we don't get anything special for them we pay retail we get on the waitlist just like they might give us some free scales or something. But like we don't we don't get to bumped into some guy

Bob DeMarco 30:58

you're not shilling for TRM

Slicey Dicey 30:59

no Some guy who just messaged me on instagram today and said, Would you be willing to sell your tea or Adam? And I said, Nobody goes, Oh, but come on, you can just call up and get another one. No, I can. No, I can't. And it's like, I have to get on the waiting list just like you guys. And he was like, What? It was, like, he like he didn't believe me. I was like, No, I bought mine, I paid I paid the full whatever it was 220 whatever it was to get it, and it was worth it.

Bob DeMarco 31:24

So what about that knife? The Adam in particular? I mean, because I need to get one of those and but I have not gotten on a list and I am one of those hits. So this is a this is a testament to your reviewing that people watch your review. And before it's even done, they're trying to they're trying to order it. So yeah, that's that's a testament to your your reviewing ability.

Slicey Dicey 31:45

And people get mad at me about what I like about is basically I'm not a heavy user, and I don't try to like portray myself as that. I mean, I use a knife a lot, but it's kind of cardboard and stuff I'm not doing you know, I'm not out chopping down sequoas but what I like about it That really slicey blade they're very well put together. It's a total gimmick you know that you can change the scales and make it look however you want but it's a cool gimmick. You know, it's it's, it's fun and it's easy and now like mine I have four sets scales for my Adam and I do swap them around a fair bit and I just, I just really like it. The action is great. It's not like a fun fidgety thing but it's just a really useful frickin knife and it fits my hand really well. It's really light and slim and easy to carry. And I just I love it.

Bob DeMarco 32:31

It has a utilitarian beauty to me it's very simple. Yes, it's sleek. You know I can go from one extreme to the other like give me as many finger grooves and choices as you can give me you know in the in the curvy is weirdest blade you can give me or give me clean. You know and beautiful and something about that Adam, to me and to my eye that is so far their most their their their most refined in terms of proportion and stuff.

Slicey Dicey 32:59

Exactly. That's what was going to say, proportionally it's, it's the best looking one.

Bob DeMarco 33:03

Yeah. So the nerd that is that a slip joint?

Unknown Speaker 33:06

No the nerd is basically you know, the Atlas the little slip joint. Yeah, whichever one of those which I love I, whenever I go to Europe, that's what I always carry. That's the only knife I take with me. It's awesome. But um, it's basically a locking Atlas. Okay, ever about that size? So I don't know if it's exactly the same. I'll find out tomorrow.

Bob DeMarco 33:25

And it's got it's got a thumb opening system. That's more of a dimple than a hole is that Yeah,

Slicey Dicey 33:31

yeah. Okay. Yeah. In the end, that's kind of their thing. Now they do that little

Bob DeMarco 33:37

thing. It's got you got the Three Rivers together. So, what are you looking forward to 2020 knife wise. I'll give you the quick and dirty of me. I know this is not your in your wheelhouse at all. But to me, I'm really looking forward to the giant, wavy bladed Kris cold Steel's coming out.

Slicey Dicey 33:59

Oh, I'm Going to get one. Like, I don't, I probably won't own it for long. But yeah, I got I gotta try one.

You know, it's like Why not?

Unknown Speaker 34:09

Thank you. Someone in that category. I want the the new inexpensive formax scout. Yeah, I'm definitely going to get one of those. Yeah, I have a benchmade the new bug out with the carbon spec tak filete, orgasmic whatever they call it, you know? stuffily Yeah, whatever it was, um, carbon fiber that doesn't look like carbon fiber. Yeah, I'm gonna try that. And I think those are the only two that I have. Oh, I have my Brian Nadeua void after I just gave that speech, but not reviewing stuff over $300. But that's an exception. It's Brian Nadeau . They're amazing. And I didn't really want to join. So I got one.

Bob DeMarco 34:50

Sounds like this is one for you.

Unknown Speaker 34:52

Yeah, this is for me. I'm really excited about getting that that should be arriving in the next week or two. So I've seen a lot of this Crk T and Kershaw stuff looks pretty cool. Yeah, I got I'm terrible at remembering like some other names because they make no sense to me. But um, but the what's the the zero the one that I can't remember. There's ones that CRKT I really liked the look of and a couple of the Kershaw's local I kind of want one of the Kershaw Balisongs.

Bob DeMarco 35:20

Yeah, the blade looks really nice something about that.

Slicey Dicey 35:24

Yeah, something like that blade and like in my first knife that I had as a kid was a battle song that my father bought me at a county fair. He made bad decisions.

Bob DeMarco 35:34

That was one of the good ones though.

Slicey Dicey 35:36

Yeah, no, but it was luckily it was a piece of crap and is sharp as a butter knife. So I didn't. I didn't ever cut myself with it. But I'm hoping I still had muscle memory from being 12 years old. You know, I don't know, but I got it when I was 12. I probably fell apart. By the time I was like 15 I don't remember what even happened to it. I remember there was spray paint involved at one point, but it was it was fun. fiddle around with and fun to impress my friends with you know, of course that was that was before the internet yes so I didn't have videos you know show me how to do it so I just learned from like watching movies

Bob DeMarco 36:12

I you know, you will feel it in your hand and it'll come right back. My wife and I experienced something similar to that we got our hands on one and I've seen her do it seeing her flip it around like she was in high school. I was like, Oh,

Slicey Dicey 36:24

yeah, I really that's it's not better like 120 bucks. Yeah, like that. Yeah, it looks pretty nice for that. So that's that's pretty tempting. I never thought I'd be attend to I balisong I actually don't i don't like all the flippy dues and those guys annoy the crap out of me at blade show. I was very glad this year blade show they they squash to that they they threw some kids out for walking around flipping knives around me so we have a place for that.

Bob DeMarco 36:51

It's the parking lot. Yeah, you know, I've never been to blade show this will be our first year going. But who's that? I think I was talking to Nick Shabazz and he was talking About Bali boys. He was Bali Bros. Bali bros walk out and and you know, no doubt is it is some very impressive skill involved.

Slicey Dicey 37:10

Oh, absolutely. But, but take it outside.

Bob DeMarco 37:12

Yeah, I would imagine in it in a crowded Hall though. Yeah, it's probably not the place to be doing that.

Slicey Dicey 37:18

Yeah, it's a it's a bit annoying.

Bob DeMarco 37:20

So, one thing I noticed from your channel right off the bat was your sense of humor. Not that you're making funny review videos, but I could just, I don't know, sense your sense of humor and then discover a little while later that you also have a career in comedy. Your stand up comedian.

Slicey Dicey 37:38

Yeah, that's, that's becoming like quickly my it's almost my primary job now. Yeah, it's a it was a fun hobby. I always wanted to be David Letterman was a little kid. I'd always stand up and watch Letterman and I always just wanted to do that and screw Jay Leno. I was like Letterman and I Never had an opportunity to do it. I lived in the boonies and grown up and which was a great place to grow up but not knocking it, playing in the woods, all that stuff, shooting guns and all that fun stuff. But then I moved around a lot and I just never had a chance to and I moved here to Rochester 11 years ago and I went into a coffee shop but they have a sign up saying that there's an open mic, you know, next week or the next night, we went and watched it I didn't go up the first time I went I watched it and I did a lot of public speaking for bike stuff. So I'd been in front of crowds that didn't bother me. And I watched this open mic and I thought well, okay, I won't be the worst. You know, like there was really terrible people on it. And I was like, I I'm going to be better than that. And I spent a week and wrote five minutes and went out and did okay, actually a lot of people have bad experiences the first time I've actually my went my went all right, I was happy I got I got a couple big laughs couple jokes didn't do good at all. I knew to cut those out immediately and I tried to do dirty stuff and I'm not good at I don't do that anymore. I do dark stuff, but I really do anything that dirty. And then I just I got addicted to it, you get that first big laugh and it's just like, you know, you're hooked, you know. And then within within like four or five months I was hosting at the comedy club and wow. And it was kind of like slice he just kind of took off and then it got out of hand and it kind of stagnated for a while for a couple years because my mother went to the nursing home and I was, you know, I was focused on her and all that and I stopped going on the road and still not back on the road, but I'm doing a lot more stuff regionally locally, you know, that kind of thing.

Bob DeMarco 39:40

Well, I have always had a fascination with stand up comedy and the fortitude it takes to get up in front of a crowd and and proclaim, I am funny, and you know, listen to me and you're gonna laugh and and really, you know, when you can walk up there and make people laugh. I mean, what it is That's like a gift, you know? And actually you just recently put up about was it about a 20 minute set? Yeah. You to my, one of my usual feature sets. Yeah. Oh, man, people should check it out. It's hilarious. And and the thing I mean, I have,

Slicey Dicey 40:14

it has some swears in it.

Bob DeMarco 40:15

It has some swears. That's all right. We're all adults. We can we can get through that. But but the the whole German thing cracked me up

Slicey Dicey 40:23

then that and that is that was a conversation that we had with those in the Air Force. We are command and control. We always make fun of the cops, because the cops were like, it was a joke. You know, you're as vantagescore that, that test you take when you're in high school that your military application test or whatever, you know, yeah, the lowest score in the Air Force was the police because the Air Force has the highest minimum. But the lowest minimum was was the police so we always made fun of them. And I just made that joke. I was like one of them's gonna say, hold Obree sheis and and we laughed it for like days, and then I just remembered that. So that was actually one of the first jokes ever told on stage. And I keep that in my back pocket. I know it's guaranteed to get a laugh, so I try not to use it because it's so old, but I'll pull it out when I have to.

Bob DeMarco 41:14

But also the sign. You're not children. Yeah. Am I remembering that correctly?

Unknown Speaker 41:21

Right. I'm sorry. And I'm trying to think of the wrong joke. I didn't do that. I didn't do the whole job realizing that did I know this was I know you're talking about the signs? Yeah, yeah. German people are weird. I love the country, but man, they're not there are people we have some close friends, some close family friends and, and I love just comparing idiosyncrasies, you know, between between cultures, because man, they got them and, and we do too. They pointed out to me, why do you eat with one hand under the table? like okay, well, yeah, they hate that. They hate that. Yeah, I could. The biggest thing I got yelled at the last was in Germany as I walked out of the restaurant with my soda can Oh, they want it back because they want to deposit. They're cheap. No, they're just cheap. It's not there. They're cheap. And oh, this old dude just start yelling at me. I'm like, What are you yelling? Oh, yeah, stupid Can I do like chug half a can a Fanta that I did not want to chug and give just to give him the can back and I walked around burpin for the next hour, it was just like, Can I just give you the five cents? I don't care. There are people.

Bob DeMarco 42:24

So where do you see the future of the slicey dicey channel? Where do you want to take this,

Slicey Dicey 42:29

um, I would still like to do some form of podcasts that don't know what it's going to be every time I get a partner to do it with it's hard to time things out. So there's gonna be a lot more integration, I hope with knives illustrated. So you may be seeing some of my videos on their channel and I want to do a bit more EDC stuff, I think, you know, pens and wallets and that kind of stuff. I used to a bit but you know, people didn't watch it. So I kind of got away from it. And I talked about starting a second channel to do that, that may still be what I do, but I don't think so. I think I'm just gonna, I think if I do an EDC video, you're going to see I try and do one video a day. I miss it sometimes, but I try to. So days I do EDC stuff, you'll see two videos that day instead of you know, instead of I'm not gonna knock any the knife content out, but I would like to do that. And also because I just want to check out more cool EDC stuff so

Bob DeMarco 43:25

yeah, yeah. And and

Unknown Speaker 43:27

it's partly self serving. I will not deny that. But you know, it's like, I mean, I want to get free wallets. Exactly. But it's been nice now to have a bit of an influence that I'm big enough now that between Instagram and, and the YouTube channel that I feel appreciated. You know, people ask my opinion. I get prototypes sent to me. I can't even show people you know, that's cool. You know, just what do you think about it, just flip it around for you know day and give it send it back to us and that's cool. I've got one downstairs right now. Actually. But um, I very much enjoy that I want to keep getting that way. I want to do more with merchandising and stuff and we have the little t shirts and stuff down below the videos, but I want to do more with that. Maybe I'll design a knife someday. I don't know, like I always said, No, I'm never gonna do that. And then then Ben from blade HQ, Ben that used to be a blade hQ Ben Banters. He just did one. Um, I kind of thought, you know, maybe, maybe I could, maybe I could do that. But I would I would. I would probably get a second collaboration. You know, like that was with most common questions when it was ama things that people asked me is like, if you could design a knife, who do you work with? Like I call the guys at Ferrum Forge. Give them a rough a rough sketch, have them make it work, and then send it out to somebody else. So it would be a three way collab, you know, be like slicey, dicey Ferrum, forge CVV. Somebody, you know, thing

Bob DeMarco 44:55

that seems to make sense, especially if you're going to be doing it overseas and the language you can't understand. If you get in touch with someone like Ferrum forge who already has like a well worn relationship and not only that, but like serious CAD shops and they can just send

Slicey Dicey 45:10

Yeah, it's the CAD chops. I don't have no clue how to do any of that stuff. Like I know what I like, I don't know how to make it work, you know, and that's it. Same thing with bicycles. People have asked me to design bikes before and I'm just like, now I don't do that. Like, like we have, but you review like, you know, 3040 bucks a year. How do you like yeah, I know what I know what I like. Yeah. I don't know how to make it do it. You know, it's a it's a completely different thing. It's like racecar driver. He doesn't know how the engine work. Right, right doesn't care. You know, it's just it's weird

Bob DeMarco 45:39

that you drive that Honda to work every day. Bob, why can't you put one together yourself?

Slicey Dicey 45:44

Yeah, yeah, you put 200,000 miles an hour to change the third cylinder on the left hand bank right but

Bob DeMarco 45:51

that hasn't come up in the last hundred thousand miles. Yeah. So I want to ask you for a knife story, something something funny or or harrowing or whatever, but before before you tell me that I want to do a little speed round with you, if you don't mind. So I have 15 questions and then and

Slicey Dicey 46:09

15?

Bob DeMarco 46:10

Yeah, it's a it's a it's an either or until we get to the last one. Okay? goes a little bit something like this fixed or folder

Slicey Dicey 46:18

folder

Bob DeMarco 46:19

flipper or thumb stud,

Slicey Dicey 46:21

thumb stud

Bob DeMarco 46:22

washers or bearings

Slicey Dicey 46:24

bearings

Bob DeMarco 46:25

tip up or down,

Unknown Speaker 46:27

oh down. What cool who's whoever answered up in this in this question?

Bob DeMarco 46:31

tip up that gets tip up gets a lot of people people like tip up.

Unknown Speaker 46:35

I'm sorry, tip up, that's what I meant. I'm totally fricking off here.

Bob DeMarco 46:39

I think I think I knew that's what you meant.

Slicey Dicey 46:41

Tip up, Tip up. That's what I meant. It seemed like I'm shown on the thing I know. I listen to this tip up. Got me. I'm a moron. So

Bob DeMarco 46:46

But God heard you

tanto or Bowie.

Slicey Dicey 46:51

Whoo. That's a good one.

Yeah, Bowie.

Bob DeMarco 46:55

Okay, hollow ground or flat ground

Slicey Dicey 46:57

Hollow.

Bob DeMarco 46:58

Full size or small

Slicey Dicey 47:01

Hmm

small I guess

Bob DeMarco 47:04

gentleman's knife or tactical

Slicey Dicey 47:06

Oh gentleman's

Bob DeMarco 47:08

automatic or Balisong. Oh forget about New York State for a second oh

Slicey Dicey 47:13

oh Balie's are legal here now

auto

Bob DeMarco 47:17

ok zt or we

Unknown Speaker 47:21

Uh, is Civi included in the WE conglomerate or I'm just looking at the we line

Bob DeMarco 47:26

all right let's look at maybe this makes it easier just at the WE line

Slicey Dicey 47:31

zt

Bob DeMarco 47:31

okay. Steel will or reel steel

Slicey Dicey 47:37

You're gonna get me in a lot of trouble ... Umm, Steelwill,

Bob DeMarco 47:41

okay, milled or spring clip

Slicey Dicey 47:44

Oh spring clip

Bob DeMarco 47:45

carbon fiber or micarta.

Slicey Dicey 47:47

Oh micarta

Bob DeMarco 47:49

finger choil or choil free.

Slicey Dicey 47:51

I like I like me that choil

Bob DeMarco 47:54

form or function.

Slicey Dicey 47:56

Oh function.

Bob DeMarco 47:57

All right. Then. Now the last one. to a point right you don't want Yeah, totally. Okay. So the last question is what is the one knife that you would keep for the rest of your life? If If all knife production ceased and you can only keep one

Unknown Speaker 48:12

go but I have or that I could I could obtain?

Bob DeMarco 48:15

Let's let's do both.

Slicey Dicey 48:18

Okay, I have what I have. It would probably be the atom of what I could obtain it would be a Gareth bull shamwari. Wow, I got was somebody some mean spirited person Loaned me one and it ruined me. Like it's

Bob DeMarco 48:38

good. So you can get so we drop when you win. Oh, yeah.

Unknown Speaker 48:42

Yeah. Yeah, it's not gonna they're not gonna be able to get my credit card soon enough for that.

Bob DeMarco 48:46

They might have a hard time keeping those in. Well,

yeah, that's

Slicey Dicey 48:49

Yeah, that's not a company I don't really have a hookup with so I'm gonna have to like buy one start working on I already told White Mountain to make sure they give me one.

Bob DeMarco 48:57

I love that those companies are there to bring up The knives we could never you know or not maybe not never but that are so hard to get your hands on

Unknown Speaker 49:05

it is pretty much never with the shamwari I mean like you like he makes like what, like 100 over a year or something like that. I don't know. I'm just throwing a number out there but it's not many. Yeah. And they're really expensive and they take a long time to get after you pay for. Oh really? Yeah, but oh god is beautiful knife. Yeah, he just sent me the most basic medium size worker finish one. And I remember I remember the guys name, but oh my god, it was so nice.

Bob DeMarco 49:32

Well, I have to get my hands on one someday just to just to touch it and and and hold it. That's what I'm actually looking forward to blade show for besides meeting all these amazing people I've met over the past year and you know seeing the knives but it's actually holding that it's like their knives like I've never had held a Beg knife. I want to hold it a beg knife.

Unknown Speaker 49:50

Yeah, it is. It's it's cool but it also hurts your soul. Because like you can't afford them. You know, like I sit down in the pit which is like where everybody hangs out. You know, before and after the shows with Dr. Frankie and Eugene Kwan and Shabazz and all these guys who get by they go there and spend you know, thousands of dollars on stuff and, and they're all flipping around. They're like amazing knives, you know, like, fit like it was the fit23 came out there and they all got that that ckfh guys so good. And like, you know and they all they've all got like various konagarisus and all kinds of stuff like that and you're like I bought a Spyderco native cheap you know, it's it's funny but you know that's what my that's what my viewers like and that's what I'm gonna stick with it like production stuff so that's what I'm going to give them

Bob DeMarco 50:40

a man I like production stuff too. I you know, I have two customers to my name and and yeah, I could sell I have a collection. I could sell a lot of it and get a few customers but then I just keep coming back to those kind of production.

Slicey Dicey 50:54

Well if I bought a custom it'd be the most boring custom that that company ever made. So why do Like I think moco ty is hideous you get the Mr furley effect when you have mocchi next to carbon fiber next to the mask is it reminds me of those those I've said this before on the live show we're on some videos that it's like that It reminds me of those posters you'd see at the mall where you had to stand back and you saw sailboat you know, no, yeah. And that's what I'm in a group on Instagram and a bunch of other reviewers and they'll post their you know, fancy customs and all the say sailboat. You know? Yeah, it's just like I don't like it. I would just buy it like I just know I just want one like, you know, grade some carbon fiber, maybe some micarta maybe a Damascus blade, but probably not. You know, it's just like, I don't want anything. I don't want anything crazy. So why spend the money?

Bob DeMarco 51:44

I think I just hit this perfect. Medium. I recently sent spanto Xm 18 three and a half inch to Josh at razor edge and had him hollow grind it and and sharpen it and it is so sharpen is my absolute sharpest knife now and then we're talking about a hinder you know, yeah. So maybe maybe that's it, you know, instead of that

Slicey Dicey 52:07

How much did that run you?

Bob DeMarco 52:09

a couple hundred bucks. It was not bad at all and did such a beautiful job. I mean like really if you scrutinize it and really look at the lines, everything's perfect. He did a great job and it's super sharp. So maybe that's maybe that's the future for me instead of you know, seeking out custom knives and getting the plainest because I like you I'm not so crazy for those materials, the real fancy aerials maybe it's getting the hinders the striders the other knives that I really like, and then having them tweaked to to my my liking anyway, sir. I asked you for a knife story. Anything come up?

Slicey Dicey 52:46

Oh, I was trying to I was trying to think of one and then I forgot for a minute. Um, the cop one was good. That's probably my best one. That is a good one. I guess I can. I can tell you an injury story. Everybody has Yes, please. So I had a viper Dan and I don't mind calling out Viper for this because my knife broke and you guys wouldn't fix it but um I was turning a screw on it and I was trying to take it apart and the screw snapped and my I had the blade out didn't have it taped up like an idiot because most knives you have to worry about the screws snapping off and it didn't just like strip out it's snapped off and yeah, I still have the scar from it and i think i think that was like two or three weeks into the channel so that's Yeah, that's like a year that I still can't crack that knuckle. Really? Yeah When all the way to the bump.

Bob DeMarco 53:42

I think you might have a case

Unknown Speaker 53:44

Yeah, I don't can't think of any other good knife stories. I have one that's but not it's too off color from blade show but that's that's too off color. I guess the coolest slicey dicey store I have is um I got recognized in a Hardee's in Atlanta. For show that was kind of cool from my voice. Really? Yeah. Cuz I was on my phone yelling at my bank. And I was in line at Hardee's. And this guy kept looking at me and I thought he was annoyed that I was because I was being quite. I was quite angry at my bank at that moment. So I was yelling at my bank. And then I kind of angrily hung up the phone and then he turned around and said, Are you slicey dicey on YouTube? And I was like, Oh, yeah, actually, I am. He's like, Oh, cool. Can you sign my shirt? So he was wearing like a blade HQ shirt. So I like signed his shirt. It was kind of cool man. And I got recognized here in Rochester wants from slices. I see the guy didn't the lay. Yeah, I didn't know I lived here. And now like, we hang out, exchange nice stories. He was wearing the same boots as me and I was like, Oh, nice boots. And then he was like, are you slicing ice? I was like, Yeah, he goes. Oh, I didn't know you lived here. I'm like, yeah.

Bob DeMarco 54:52

redwing iron Rangers.

Slicey Dicey 54:54

No. Keen targy twos. Oh, yeah. there I'm a fets right now. Actually.

Bob DeMarco 55:00

Well, Brian, thank you so much for coming on The Knife Junkie podcast. It's been a pleasure to talk with you. I've watched so many hours of your videos. You're another one of these guys that I feel like I already know you going into meeting you. But, man, obviously I don't and it's been a pleasure.

Slicey Dicey 55:17

I had one guy told me once he listens to my videos as he goes to sleep, which I'm not 100% sure about that.

Bob DeMarco 55:24

That is weird. That is weird. But now you know, it was weird, especially.

Slicey Dicey 55:28

It was weird on multiple levels. So yeah,

Bob DeMarco 55:32

start putting some subliminals in those videos.

Slicey Dicey 55:34

Do knife ASMR videos. Those ones where they just

I just I don't know. I think I think I think I'm missing out.

Bob DeMarco 55:48

Well Slicey Dicey, . Thanks for coming on.

Slicey Dicey 55:49

Thank you very much.

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Jim Person 55:55

Always cool when we have YouTube reviewers on the podcast. Baba, you know, different perspective and different things we learn from them. What was your main takeaway and your conversation with slicey?

Bob DeMarco 56:09

Well, I mean, I think he has a background of reviewing products and that's a great format with which to approach reviewing knives. But I think, you know, obviously, he's got this sick love of knives, which we can all relate to. But Brian approaches this like a job. And in doing so, he and this is something I keep coming back to, he's been able to maintain a discipline and also, you know, create a, an online identity create a identity for himself in the knife world and also, you know, earn a tidy, tidy bit from that. So, I don't know he's kind of inspirational, as well as informational, if you will.

Jim Person 56:47

What did he call it? It was a jobbie or something like that, you know, turning the hobby into a job. Yeah, yeah, jobbie. Though. That was pretty cool. Yeah. All right. Want to ask you a favor, if you could. We don't ask. A whole lot of favors.

Bob DeMarco 57:02

Sounds like, like what I say to my daughters I ask so little of you.

Jim Person 57:05

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TKT’s Rootkit, Emerson, Kizer, Cold Steel, Kershaw and the First Tool: Automatic Knives — The Knife Junkie Podcast (Episode 81)

On the mid-week supplemental episode of The Knife Junkie podcast, Bob covers top stories in Knife Life News, including Todd Knife and Tool’s WE Knives Rootkit, the Emerson Mini Sheepdog, Kizer’s new releases at SHOT Show and the Cold Steel 4-Max Scout.

Bob also highlights his first week with his new Kershaw Launch 9 automatic knife, which leads into a “First Tool” segment covering highlights in the history of automatic knives. And Jim rounds out the show with a look at some of the upcoming knife shows.

TKT's Rootkit, Emerson, Kizer, Cold Steel, Kershaw and the First Tool: Automatic Knives all on The Knife Junkie Podcast (Episode #81)
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    • FEBRUARY SHOWS

      LAS VEGAS CUSTOM KNIFE MAKERS SHOW WITH THE LAS VEGAS ANTIQUE ARMS SHOW

      Friday, February 28 – Sunday, March 1

      Westgate Resort & Casino, Las Vegas, NV



    • MARCH SHOWS

      SPIRIT OF THE BLADE CUSTOM KNIFE SHOW

      Friday, March 6 – Saturday, March 7

      Miami County Fairgrounds, Troy, OH

      All knives displayed will be 100% custom/handmade!
    • TrackRock Hammer-In

      Friday, March 13 @ 9:00 am – Saturday, March 14 @ 5:00 pm

      Trackrock Campgrounds & Cabins, 141 Trackrock Camp Rd., Blairsville, GA

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      Friday, March 20 – Saturday, March 21

      Yadkin VFW Building, 3047 US Hwy 21, Hamptonville, NC

      Free Admission!
    • The Arkansas Knife Show

      Saturday, March 21 @ 9:00 am – 5:00 pm

      Statehouse Convention Center, 101 E Markham St., Little Rock, AR

      The Arkansas Knife Show is held at the Statehouse Convention Center in downtown Little Rock.
    • Dalton Georgia Knife Roadshow

      Friday, March 27 – Saturday, March 28

      North Georgia Trade and Convention Center, 2211 Dug Gap Battle Rd., Dalton, GA
    • Bunker Hill Knife Club Show

      Friday, March 27 – Saturday, March 28

      Alton-Wood River Sportsmen’s Club, 3109 Godfrey Rd., Godfrey, IL

      NEW Show location for 2020!

Knife show information courtesy of Knife Magazine.

Please call the listener line at 724-466-4487 or email bob@theknifejunkie.com with any comments, feedback or suggestions on the show, and let us know what you’d like to hear covered next week on The Knife Junkie Podcast Supplemental edition.

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Announcer 0:03

Welcome to the Knife Junkie podcast your weekly dose of knife news and information about knives and knife collecting. Here's your hosts Jim Person and Bob The Knife Junkie DeMarco

Jim Person 0:16

Welcome to the Knife Junkie podcast episode number 81. I'm Jim Person

Bob DeMarco 0:21

and i Bob The Knife Junkie DeMarco Welcome to the podcast.

Jim Person 0:24

The Knife Junkie Podcast the place for knife newbies and Knife Junkie to learn about knives and knife collecting. This is our midweek supplemental edition of the podcast where we get to dive deep into some of the knife stories in the news, but also coming up this week we have a first tool segment and we'll also give it a preview or give some dates of upcoming knife shows at the end of this month, as well as February and looking into March a little bit. So Bob a a full show again this week on their supplemental

Bob DeMarco 0:55

indeed its supplemental is always a good excuse to kind of wax poetic about the new knives coming out that I just, I can't keep my eyes off or that I think are important

Jim Person 1:06

right now you can use any any new knives in your hands or future

Bob DeMarco 1:11

I do actually will I have both new knives in my hands and and I got the launch nine the Kershaw automatic the little diminutive automatic last week and it hasn't left my pocket in that time. I'll get to that in a second what I what I did want to mention in terms of new knives though, are new knives out on the market and come not quite out yet but coming from WE knives and Todd knife and tool is the root kit which is coming out this new knife the rootkit is so cool, it's got it's got sort of the leaf shaped blade of the recent of their most recent release but it has instead of that sort of wedge shaped handle. It has a contoured handle it still has sort of the futuristic lines to it milled in into the carbon fiber. But it just looks like an amazing kind of low profile, but sizable blade sort of carry in any case, we talked about that a bit. Thursday Night knives with Teryl, half of the design team of that Teryl Todd, you know him as Zelrick it's just, it's just a cool knife. I can't wait to get my hands on it.

Jim Person 2:27

That was last Thursday, January 23. edition of Thursday night knives which is The Knife Junkie live video show that you can see on both YouTube as well as The Knife Junkie Facebook page, where you can watch it on our website The Knife Junkie dot com slash live and on that page, The Knife Junkie dot com slash live you'll also find an archive of the past shows so if you happen to miss one, catch him right there on The Knife junkie.com website.

Announcer 2:56

You're listening to the Knife Junkie podcast and now he The Knife Junkie with the nightlife news,

Bob DeMarco 3:03

as you know, this is SHOT Show season. And so a lot of knife makers are coming out with their new designs for 2020 and presenting them at SHOT Show. And a lot of that news is trickling back to our neck of the woods here. And there are, you know, I'm going to be talking about some of these new releases for weeks. But one that you know, I'm very excited for is the new Emerson releases, and they're only coming out with two new knives in 2020. And they're actually an expansion of an existing line, the sheepdog line. Those were the first knives that they came out with, there's a bow e version and a drop point version. Those were the first Emerson's to to have a flipper and I believe run on bearings. In any case, they were one of the first anyway. And so this this is an Emerson knife that has three ways of opening it. Of course you have the wave because it's an Emerson, you have the thumb disk You have the flipper. And what they're coming out with now is the sheep dog Mini. And these are mini versions of the sheep dog. As you may imagine they've been reduced

Jim Person 4:11

hence the name.

Bob DeMarco 4:11

Yeah, hence the name. They've been reduced in size to an overall of 7.1 inches. I believe they're three and a quarter inch blades. And I'm sitting here I'm staring at them and I never I got to be totally honest. I'm a huge Emerson fan as you know, never cared for the for the sheepdog line. Something about the lines on them didn't agree with my eye but I'm sitting here staring at the mini versions and they are both both the bully and the drop point are very compelling and look like awesome knives. And so maybe this will be how I did my feet in in the sheepdog line. But yeah, so you know, the real unique selling proposition of the of these knives are the three opening features same steel Same g 10. Same setup as usual, same titanium liners, but just small,

Jim Person 5:07

just less lines for you to look at. So maybe that's the reason you like it.

Bob DeMarco 5:10

Maybe that sometimes you know, you take a knife you stretch it out. It looks weird or you condense it. It looks weird. In this case condensing this knife made it look better in my opinion. And you know I'm just shallow and I care about looks.

Jim Person 5:23

You said it, not me.

Speaking of SHOT Show, Kizer. They also had some new releases.

Bob DeMarco 5:31

Yeah, yep. Well, you know, last week we talked about a couple of new kaisers one of them with the Lundquist the new Lundquist, what was that called the the airfoil or the or the something having to do with airplanes now I forget.

Jim Person 5:47

the mind is the first thing to go.

Bob DeMarco 5:49

It is indeed that went a while ago. So but now that SHOT Show has begun. We've seen everything that has is coming out with and there are some pretty cool ones and I just wanted to highlight a few of them. And the one that I think is getting the most press because it was first up on the knife news article and it seems to this image seems to be going around but it's the new inversion by Dirk Pinkerton, Dirk Pinkerton is going to be coming on the podcast sometime in the near future. He's got some really great designs from through Kaiser, and then others have his own custom shop. But this inversion is really cool because it's kind of kind of a call style knife. It looks like the blade is put in the handle backwards you have if you just look at the handle, you have the sort of typical contours and curves you'd see on the spine of modern tactical knife, you know kind of swells up and then there's a little dip for your thumb and then on the on the posterior side there's a big swell and then a groove. It just looks like a regular tactical knife. The blade comes out of the top and then suddenly you realize the handle is what's inverted. So when the subtly Hawk build beautifully wardenclyffe blade pops out of this titanium frame lock flipper and you hold it in the traditional manner with your finger and that finger groove the edge will be up instead of down. And this facilitates certain ways of really fighting I mean it's kind of like a an edge up call style of fighting or an edge in if you have it in reverse grip and you hold this knife the handle in the natural manner and you haven't reverse grip well the edge will be facing in and that's useful in some, you know, very specific kind of trapping and knife fighting techniques that I know from Philippines and I'm sure there are other reasons why that is practical. I just love it because it's a gorgeous knife. It's got this beautiful sort of stair stepped milled pattern and the blade is is a knockout, but useful. Not so sure. But great. Great for the design design category in my collection.

Jim Person 8:11

Okay, so like it for aesthetics and looks and you know maybe how it feels but for for usefulness low on the scale.

Bob DeMarco 8:21

Well...

Jim Person 8:22

at least for The Knife Junkie

Bob DeMarco 8:23

extremely useful in those knife fights I get in Oh Exactly, yes on a weekly basis. So if I keep it on man shop, I've lost count. So the theme this year with Kizer seems to be kind of dipping back into the stable and bringing back designers that they've had success with in the past and getting new knife knife designs from them, but also reaching out to some newer designers or other designers that they haven't worked with. Just going through the large list of new knives I have to say. And this is just kind of my gut reaction. I do like kaisers and I have a few I'm down to one And then a Tangra. But I do like kaisers. But they tend to start looking the same to me kind of like benchmade. Like after a while. I can't keep them all straight and they all kind of have a semi unique titanium frame lock look, but after a while, so this selection is kind of hopelessly Lizer to me a lot of unique designs, but they're like, Oh, yeah, okay, that makes sense. There's this one, the Raja by Sebastian Irwan, that looks really cool. This is what a standout design to me. It has a very Angular wardenclyffe blade, kind of in that stouts scout style of who's that custom maker that Alex t likes so much? Well, if you're listening to this, you probably know what I'm talking about. It's got a very Angular blade, but it's got a very curvy, ergonomic looking handle. So I like the juxtaposition of the curvy in the in the Angular. So that that's it that looks like a winner. There's a knife that looks like a totally looks like a folding kitchen knife actually called the slicer by Michael Yalovick that looks cool. Good night. Yeah, exactly. bunch of others. There's one by a designer they have five four new knives by this designer as Oh coming out and one of them called the Justice looks just like the big lighter just sort of reminds me of the very, very popular Kizer big lighter so it looks like it might be sitting on the same shelf with that. There's another one that came out that I wrote WTF next to and and it's by designer named Carlos else Elsner and it's a good looking blade. This is not a in any way in my impugning that this design, but it's called the assassin -- Oh my -- and it's 3.15 inches so to me there are a couple of problems with this first of all, you don't name a knife the assassin. It's just a little bit like n so sir, yes, Judge well What were you carrying on that evening? I was carrying a pocket knife, sir. What's that for? It's for work, sir. What's that knife called? It's called the assassins or it just doesn't look good. So three inches. Yeah, yeah. And it's only three inches so that assassins gonna have to work hard, right. So, but anyway Carlos Elsner did design a beautiful knife I just take exception to the name. So that's that's pretty much it from Kizer. Don't get me wrong, there are tons of other knives but those are the ones that really jumped out at me.

Jim Person 11:31

Well, maybe speaking about their design language that a lot of them look similar or have the same style or whatever, maybe, maybe that's intentional. Maybe they're good sellers. And so they want to kind of pattern other knives after them. Does that make sense?

Bob DeMarco 11:47

You know what, Jim? It does make sense. And actually, I think they were guilty of that earlier on maybe four years ago or so. Four or five years ago now. I mean, legitimately all of those knives look different. Some of them even have been Different handle material but to me, the difference is predictably Kaiser. I look at him like of course that's a Kizer knife if I had to guess I'd probably say, yes, that is different, but it's in a different in a Kizer kind of way. But you know, but

Jim Person 12:14

there's nothing wrong with that being able to kind of know who the maker is just my. Yeah, seeing certain things about it or styles or whatever. I'm here. Don't you do the same with some of your other knife brands?

Bob DeMarco 12:26

Well, yeah, for sure. Actually. I cannot disagree with you on that.

Jim Person 12:29

Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so the knife, the knife newbie is right.

Bob DeMarco 12:33

Yes. Mark it down. That's right. Well, we

Jim Person 12:36

will move we'll move on quickly. Before you find some way to get out of that one. Hey, Cold Steel. You want to mention that one really briefly?

Bob DeMarco 12:44

Oh, yeah. I just wanted to mention that I've seen a number of videos have you know, I know I've been talking Cold Steel to death because I'm so excited about their two new Kris blades coming out the Voyager XL and the Tilight six inch but I've been seeing a lot of the 4-max scout online especially Jimmy slash and a couple of other couple of other people. I've seen it Oh a cold steel video itself with Andrew demco on it anyway, as you know the formax is the beefiest folder on the in the lineup over there Cold Steel, they're plenty that are larger, but this is kind of the stoutest if you will, and it's got a four inch blade hence the name formax. But in watching this video with Andrew demco I learned that the max refers to the fact that it's a four inch blade, but you also get four inches of cutting edge that he doesn't waste space with the oil or any of that. And in order to make the knife that big, it's actually in at 10 XL. But it looks a little different because the the 8010 handle the sort of straight format doesn't really work with the size of the blade it starts to feel just weird so I had to curve the handle. In any case, the formax is kind of an out of reach. Huge Cold Steel for many of us, it's kind of a 350 ish dollar blade, I think it varies between, you know, it varies, I think it might be less expensive at this point but still kind of much for cold steel, maybe many of us feel and so this new one, the scout version comes in os 10 steel, which is a, which is a more budget friendly steel, and it comes with instead of titanium liners, it comes with stainless steel liners, and instead of G 10 It comes with Grivery. So, all of the materials remain as stout as the former materials with the exception of the steel you know, the steel isn't isn't quite as good but os 10 is a very tough steel apparently. So all in all, you're getting the same capabilities from the regular formax in a in a budget friendly package, and I gotta say, the formax I was always kind of on the fence about But now I think I know for you know, a third of the price of the original model, I could have this other one so I think I might get the scout version it's looking it's looking like that might happen.

Jim Person 15:14

Okay, so on the list but maybe not near the top of the list.

Bob DeMarco 15:18

Yes, I'd say in the cold steel list it's four or five. Oh wow, the cold steel 2020 Okay, got to get the two Kris knives first and then the Seaux have a cool like Viking seaux blade

Unknown Speaker 15:31

in addition to all the many other knives that are on your list. Yeah.

Bob DeMarco 15:35

It's getting a little ridiculous.

Announcer 15:37

And now that we're caught up with a knife life news, let's hear more of The Knife Junkie podcast

Jim Person 15:42

all right back on the Knife Junkie podcast that was a knife life news. But we teased that at the beginning of the show. your Kershaw launch nine automatic knife that you've had for what a week now or so yeah, weeks

Bob DeMarco 15:58

I got it last week and You know, I can't carry it outside of the house. So when I've been at home,

Jim Person 16:05

and why is that Bob?

Bob DeMarco 16:06

Well because of the law.

Jim Person 16:07

Oh,

you're listening to the law now. The law. Yeah. In your older age.

Bob DeMarco 16:14

Yes, exactly as I age out and listening to the law, okay, so when I come home, I grabbed the launch nine and it lives on my person. And it is such a sweet little blade. It's it. This is my first experience with the famed launch series by Kershaw. They're American made automatic knives. They'll have 154 Cm blades and aluminum handles and they're all out the side and have fantastic action. This one, this little launch nine. I love the aesthetics. It's a beautiful little futuristic design. But the blade is small, it's about it's about two inches long, and it's very thin and then it's ground thin and then it's got a fat Which means this thing is like a scalpel. And it's kind of shaped like a scalpel actually the blade so it's just really had has me excited about automatic knives and also about checking out more Kershaw's these launch knives. Right? So I've had it for a week and it hasn't left my pocket. And that made me wonder, what is the history of switchblades

Jim Person 17:23

Alright, well we'll we'll get into that in just a second on our first tool segment, but I want to remind you to subscribe if you're not already to The Knife Junkie YouTube channel go to The Knife Junkie dot com slash YT Subscribe The Knife Junkie dot com slash y t subscribe,

Announcer 17:42

you're listening to the Knife Junkie podcast. Here's some cool knife history with The Knife Junkie's the first tool.

Bob DeMarco 17:48

So it turns out that switch blades kind of came into being in the mid 1800s in Europe, primarily It started in England and there were some knife makers. They're trying to do A number of things and one of those was bayonets that were spring loaded could rifles benefit from having a spring loaded bayonet. That and also, the marriage of spring loaded knives and work knives started to arrive in Europe at that time. So at this time switchblades kind of started developing a dual purpose in Europe. Sometimes they were used as worker tools. For those who needed a knife do bring a bring a blade to bear as quickly as possible. But others Made in Italy and Spain, were known for their sort of fancy embellishment on the handles and on the blades and on the bolsters and then different mechanisms for firing them and for locking them. So born of this idea of a spring loaded bayonet came the spring loaded knives for both gentlemen and for workers, just in looking through some some material on this I discovered that at one point in time, in the late 1800s, a word that was synonymous for switchblade was campobasso. And that was because incomparable campobasso Italy, they were making these knives and it just so happens that my grandmother's from campobasso Italy. So it's kind of a cool thing to read. Maybe, maybe my Knife Junkie dumb goes back further than I know. Yeah,

Jim Person 19:26

there you go. You got it, honestly.

Bob DeMarco 19:28

So back here in the states right after the Civil War. Okay, mind you, these are just bullet points. There is a very rich and complex history of switchblades. But these are just bullet points of history in researching this that really kind of stuck out to me. And one thing that was especially cool is in the United States after the Civil War, there were some pistol makers and some knife makers who were known for making pistols that had little switch blades at the end of them so essentially, they're right yeah. bayonets on the end of the pistol. Wow. So, you know, before repeaters were were very popular. In case you run out of ammunition when you're shooting, you flip out that knife and you start stabbing I presume, either that or you know, just like you and I are just like I another knife junkies buy knives that aren't necessarily practical or aren't necessarily have any specific purpose, but we buy them for the cool design and for the show off factor. Maybe back in the post Civil War days. That's what guys did show up. Hey, check out my pistol. Check this out, and then the Switchblade comes out, you know. So so maybe they were they were thought of as kind of novelties then interesting. So at the end is so 1892 a very familiar name to us. schrade that's George schrade. Knife maker in New York. starts the New York push button knife company. Producing automatic knives in a small shop, ironically in where New York City, so in the Yeah, well not only that, but the that's like the most prohibitive place on earth for knives, at least in this country. And, and the schrade knife company which started as the New York push button I've company started in New York City. And so they were they were known for making a number of different knives and at this time, a lot of American switch blades were designed like traditionals like, like slip joints, you know, to two bladed knives, right. So there was an interesting mechanism used at that point, you know, these were not thought of as weapons they were marketed for farm to farmers and for you know, outdoorsman and such. And that's why they took on the sort of outdoors he you know, slip joint pattern, but you would press down the pen blade, that's the smaller blade and the larger blade would flick out. So I thought that was kind of a cool, cool mechanism. You know, I wouldn't mind seeing Great Eastern cutlery come out with an automatic knife or the where the the main blade pops out when you push down on the secondary one.

Jim Person 22:13

Well, I can see that that function being extremely useful for tradesmen and workers and you know carpenters and you know, just just anybody kind of working in the field or in the trades as you would say it's a such a time, time saving, little little mechanism of trick, you know,

Bob DeMarco 22:30

exactly and think about it back then. There were no one handed opening pocketknives Spyderco hadn't invented the hole yet. You know, and the thumbstud hadn't been invented or the flipper. So if you were a tradesman and you were on a ladder and you were holding something up with one hand and needed to open your knife with the other hand. Having an automatic knife was damn valuable. So so that's where they took off. Now we're going to flash forward to the 30s and it's onset of World War Two, the Germans developed the phocion Yeager, which is a cool, cool name.

Jim Person 23:06

I'm sure you've got it right. I'm not even sure Jim Yeager.

Bob DeMarco 23:10

I think Yeager means jet like stag, you know, like, beer mail here.

Jim Person 23:17

Sorry.

Bob DeMarco 23:19

So they developed this beer I mean, this switch blade for paratroopers. And it was in case they, you know, they're they jump out of an airplane. they deploy their parachute they fall all the way to Earth only to land in a tree in there. They're hung up so now they have a switch blade, they pull it out, then cut themselves down. So it was a it was a big hit and the Americans decided the American armed forces the army, the US Army Air Force, needed a you know, suddenly had a requirement for one of those two schrade put in a bid. They put out what was later known as their civilian model, the presto which looks like a single blade of a single blade Barlow With that clip point blade, so this was accepted by the US Army and it had the catchy name as knife pocket. m two.

Jim Person 24:08

Sounds like the military.

Bob DeMarco 24:10

Yeah, exactly. So that was that was issued to paratroopers and apparently OSS Office of Strategic service guys that was the precursor to the CIA. So it kind of makes sense that they should have some cool automatic knife and then after world war two Italian stilettos became big in the United States and that's what you and I know as switch blades. That's what I got my my brother and father for Christmas that I was talking about that very traditional switch blade look. It's got the squillions it's got the long sort of bayonet ground blade long and slender and and it's got the the symmetrical handle it kind of looks like the medieval assassination weapons so they started calling them stilettos. But American GIs brought them back from Italy and they became kind of fashionable among the list desirables if you will, or at least that was the that was the narrative put out by the Media and the government, they did not take well to these knives, one or two news stories and it got blown up kind of like today, you know, one or two news stories, it gets blown up and suddenly, a politician finds a purpose and whips, whips the constituency into a lather, and something gets, you know, outlawed. In this case, it was switchblades. It was this guy, jack Harrison Pollock, who was actually he was a political operative, and he came out with a an article in a popular woman's magazine called woman's Home Companion. And he, he wrote this incredible screed about the Switchblade. But one of the things he, he said was designed for violence deadly as a revolver. That's the Switchblade the toys youngsters all over the country are taking up as a fad. Press the button on this new version of the pocket knife and the blade starts out like a snake's tongue. action against this killer could be taken now to backup his charges. Pollack quoted an unnamed juvenile court judge is saying it's only a short step from carrying a switchblade to gang warfare.

Jim Person 26:07

Oh My gosh,

Bob DeMarco 26:08

yeah. Yeah, I mean, jeez. And imagine you have no place else to go because it's 19 What was it? 1954. And, you know, there's not much media so you're reading whatever you get, and that you like, Oh, my God. As Doug Ritter mentioned when we've had him on the show, a lot of these anti knife laws came out of race hysteria, you know, like, it's the juvenile delinquents, the African Americans and the and the Latinos who are causing all this trouble. Hollywood did its part coming out with Rebel Without a Cause. Blackboard jungle crime in the streets. 12 Angry Men, the delinquents, high school confidential, West Side Story, all these knives. I mean, all of these movies helped to vilify the Switchblade. So a bunch of legislation came through a lot of the knife industry except for schrade kind of supported a lot of this stuff. And it was all in the excuse to gang violence in Chicago of all places. Imagine that. The switchblade act of 1958 So anyway, that's how it all started. That's how it all became illegal. Thank God we have people like Doug Ritter and knife rights out there who have slowly but surely changed the majority of states knife laws. In this country. There are a couple of holdouts, New York State, ironically is one of them ironically, because this is where a lot of it started, right. There's a lot of knife industry in that state. And also Virginia, which is just backwards.

Announcer 27:32

And that's this week's look at knife history with the first tool and now back to The Knife Junkie podcast.

Jim Person 27:38

Alright, pretty cool history lesson there on the first tool and Bob that's, that's one of my favorite segments that we used to do a whole lot more that I'm hoping we can start doing some more because I like that history and kind of learning some of the stuff about why things are and especially with knives as I'm learning more here.

Bob DeMarco 27:59

Yeah, you Yeah, me too. You know, you and I were talking recently about ancestry and how if you really think about it, you and I have ancestors that go back three and a half billion years, you know, to the dawn of life on this planet, literally you can trace a line straight back. Well, when we look at the first tool, and we talk about the history of knives, there is that same kind of lineage one thing leads to another leads to another leads to another and then sooner or later history is passed. And it's one straight line well or it's one wavy line, but it's all connected.

Jim Person 28:31

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Bob DeMarco 31:43

So Jim, in SHOT Show season, I'm I'm resolving to not get too excited about too many knives until they've been out for a while and I have a chance to have that cooling off period. I think this year I'm going to be slightly more disciplined in my mind.

Jim Person 32:01

Okay, so you're still still got that New Year's resolution and still kind of holding on to it.

Bob DeMarco 32:07

Yeah, yeah, I in spirit, I'm always there, but you know how things accumulate and then you have to purge it right? You know, it's just harder to do with these wonderful devices.

Jim Person 32:20

But we'll maybe get an update on an upcoming supplemental show, maybe talk a little bit about some of the new names you've bought, as well as some of the recent ones you've sold as you can kind of continue on that. Reduce and refine mantra, if you will. So maybe something to come up. Hey, really quickly before we head out of here tomorrow night, if you're listening to this podcast when it comes out on Wednesday, tomorrow, Thursday, January 30, the Thursday night knife show, which is the live show on YouTube and Knife Junkie Facebook page, so don't miss that. And then this coming Sunday, February 2, second, it's going to be Episode 82 of the Knife Junkie podcast. That's our week. can interview show and Baba another YouTube reviewer that you're going to have a chance to talk with.

Bob DeMarco 33:05

Yeah, I got a chance to talk with slicey dicey one of my new favorites from the last two years or so. And man his channel has caught on like wildfire.

Jim Person 33:14

good conversation so look for that in your podcast feed on Sunday February 20 February 2, if I can talk all right, I think that's going to do it for our midweek supplemental a lot of information here this week. Final Word from The Knife Junkie Bob before we wrap it up here on episode number 81

Bob DeMarco 33:32

keep them strapped.

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Chef, Knife Steel Nerd and YouTuber Super Steel Steve of the Heat Treat Police — The Knife Junkie Podcast (Episode 80)

Professional Chef, Knife Steel Nerd and YouTuber Super Steel Steve of the “Heat Treat Police” joins Bob “The Knife Junkie” DeMarco on this week’s podcast to talk knife steels.

Learn how Steve’s early beginnings in the restaurant world led to his love of knives, how he learned to sharpen his tools of the trade (his knives) and how the pursuit of sharpening those knives led to his “knife steel nerdiness”

Heat treatment, knife steels, Rockwell hardness and more are discussed on this episode. If you’re a knife steel expert or don’t have a clue about knife steels, this episode is for you. Bob and Steve cover the subject so all can understand, and explain why knife lovers should care.

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Super Steel Steve 0:00

When you look at the composition of a steel is just like looking at the ingredient list on a cake. That's all it is. The heat treat is the actual baking. So if you take these exact same ingredients mix it and then you bake the cake at 150 degrees Fahrenheit for an hour you're going to have much if you bake it at 700 degrees for seven hours you're gonna have ash so you have to learn how to bake the cake right to get the desired result Same thing with steel when you look at just the name of those proposition it's just a laundry list of ingredients

Announcer 0:34

Welcome to the Knife Junkie podcast your weekly dose of knife news and information about knives and knife collecting. Here's your hosts Jim Person and Bob The Knife Junkie DeMarco

Jim Person 0:48

Hello Knife Junkie and welcome to episode number 80 of the Knife Junkie podcast I'm Jim Person and I'm Bob DeMarco well to the podcast The Knife Junkie podcast is the place for nice new bees and Knife Junkie is to learn about knives and knife collecting and hear from knife designers, makers, manufacturers reviewers and anyone who loves knives. That's what we do here on the Sunday weekend show where Bob The Knife Junkie gets a chance to talk to other knife junkies and who are you talking to today Bob

Bob DeMarco 1:18

today I'm speaking with super steel Steve that's how he's known on the internet. He is a knife reviewer but more more like a steel

reviewer. And and tester he's a chef by trade and profession and uses knives all the time. And you know in this day to day life and and when his interest started to move towards less chef knives more towards pocket knives he got interested in the makeup of all these exotic steals that are going out there but not just the makeup of the steals themselves but the heat treat. And so he is a founding member if you will of the of the loosely affiliated group the the HRC police and really what that is is a number of knife enthusiasts who have been testing the Rockwell hardness of the Steel's, that are coming out from major production companies kind of in an interest to see whether or not these awesome exotic steals that we're paying good money for, are living up to their fullest potential through heat treat and such. Well I got to talking about about the HRC police in quotes I'll say a few weeks back on Thursday night knives and realized that kind of got in a little over my head and hadn't really done much research and, and that's when super steel Steve actually got in touch with me and I said, hey, let's not have this conversation and an email. Let's, let's talk about it in person. And it was great to meet him. I of course met him once before on the podcast. He was on sharp talk and we It was great to meet him there and it was awesome to have him on this podcast.

Jim Person 2:58

Nice of you to hold that conversation so you could educate the rest of us because, you know, I think, as we talked about on our podcast last time, you know, going down that rabbit hole of steals is not something I'm extremely interested in, but also definitely not educated. And so you know, a little knowledge would be nice.

Bob DeMarco 3:17

Yes, yes. And you said "edge ucated"

But also, Jim, honestly, I'm not terrifically excited by steals that much. You know, me, I'm an estate, I love the way things look and, of course, how they perform, but my life has never depended on it. Knock on wood. So I'm interested in high quality steals, but I'm also happy to let other steel nerds like super steel, Steve, get get in the weeds with it.

Jim Person 3:47

Well, it's nice to know there are some folks that like that kind of thing and kind of keep the industry on their toes to make sure that we're getting what we pay for, if you will. Yeah, exactly. We're going to get into that interview with Steel Steve coming up next. But first I want to remind you about G Suite. If you want to work faster and work smarter in your business, you can collaborate on files in real time quickly find space on everybody's calendar, make and take meetings from anywhere. G Suite has the tools to boost your productivity like calendar currents, Hangouts chat and hangouts meet. Also drive for secure file storage and sharing docs sheets, which are spreadsheets, form slides, sites, even an app maker and app scripts keep where you can organize and store ideas, even a whiteboard feature. All that is in G Suite. And they have a personal as well as a business plan starting as low as $6 a month but if you'll go to The Knife Junkie, comm slash G Suite, that's g suite, you'll get a free 14 day trial and if you'll email me, Jim at The Knife, Junkie calm I'll be glad to email you a special code that will save you 20% off your first year of G sweet so again go to The Knife Junkie dot com slash g suite to get started.

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I'm here with super steel Steve, you know him from YouTube and Instagram and the formerly of the sharp talk podcast Steve is part of a loose affiliation of knife and blade steel enthusiasts who've been conducting research as of late on the properties of the blade steals as they actually come to us from the manufacturers. Steve, welcome to the podcast How you doing? It's a pleasure to have you on you know this. I first met you when you were on the sharp talk podcast and and you all had me on a guest on as a guest and I had a great time you had an interesting mix of people and The conversation was lively the whole time and I, I appreciated that and one. One thing I got from that was that everyone had their specialties and yours definitely seemed to be your knowledge of Steel's. And then recently on one of the shows I do here, the Thursday night knives show I had zorich 42 on and we were just kind of riffing and waxing poetic and I asked him about what's all this about the heat treat police and that's what, that's what people have been, I don't know if it's, if it's a condescending term or if it's just kind of shorthand, but that's what people have been calling you and others who have been investigating the the properties of these deals. So anyway, let's back up and find out you are a chef, tell me about your your daily use of knives and explain how this all came about.

Super Steel Steve 6:46

Alright. Well, sure. SoI'm a chef

Unknown Speaker 6:55

working in kitchens on cooking since I was 15 and 33 now. And that's that's really where my non Latin was really my little sharpening. We started in the kitchen and you're paying and I was against cutting boards all day united you real quick. And one day I got really frustrated because I worked in predominantly fine dining French restaurants and things have to be real precise. And you got to go knife and you're trying to you know, walk like really fine dice stuff, especially we're trying to cut tomatoes and then crush everything or you're trying to cut minced herbs and they turn black because you guys don't crushes everything. And you get yelled at a lot. I got frustrated and sharpen so I just started learning how to sharpen and then that's where it went from there. Then when I got into sharpening, I started getting into seals, and that's actually what got me into folding knives. I wasn't I've always carried a pocket man. Since I was a kid like you know, the typical grandpa gives you the Swiss Army knife, you know, carry the gas station. Nice. My whole life since I was a kid, but I never really was into because to me folders were all like a curse on the system, Walmart. I didn't know there was a world for folders outside of that. I knew the kitchen that were real well high in Japanese company, whatnot, but I had no idea that was.

Bob DeMarco 8:21

So in your day to day as a chef, have you always come to work with your own sweet knife that you baby

Super Steel Steve 8:28

They weren't really sweet... they were pretty budget

Unknown Speaker 8:37

path and you're not you're not very, they're not most chef knives 99% of the chefs that you see in real work in kitchens don't have those knives, but they're they're moles. That makes sense. It's like if you know that they might be crappy knives, but they're there. You know that they have crazy recurves and stuff because guys, hold them to death, but then they're not lovisa there's some sayings that they say in the in the restaurant business I will say is I'm trying to keep my language okay but you don't really you don't touch another guy's nose you know to me like you have your knives he has his knives and that's yours it's kind of like it's like driving a car or breaking in a pair of shoes once you get used to him you get in the groove. So once you find it once you have your knife and you've been cutting with a knife for a while you just you know where it's going to be. You see guys really close their eyes and the chops up is you know where the knife is going to be you know what it's going to do you know where it's it becomes an extension of your hand because you know, especially when you're first getting into cooking, do lot of prep work. You know you're spending eight or 10 hours just chopping and cutting handwork torn it You always kind of stop shopping so you You're always spending you always there's always a knife in your hand like all the time so you got to get used to them. Yeah, so I've always had my own they weren't always great. You know, I started off with like, standard you know, Wally world, crappy kitchen knives and then slowly the same kicks in and you get better and better, better better, because you want to you want to go faster, you have better geometry. So yeah, I've always had probably, as he

Super Steel Steve 10:12

said, by my own knives ,

Bob DeMarco 10:14

when I was in college, I worked in an Italian kitchen for a couple of summers, you know, and I worked in pantry, you know, so I did a lot of cutting and stuff. But I was amazed, like, at the knife skills these guys have developed, and I know at least the people I worked with didn't go to culinary school. Did you pick up all your knife skills on the job?

Unknown Speaker 10:33

Yeah, all OJT. I wanted to go to culimary school actually couldn't afford it. It was stupid. It was really expensive. So I just school of Hard Knocks bouncing from kitchen, to kitchen, to kitchen, wherever you can. Yeah, it's all just

Bob DeMarco 10:49

so you don't want to get yelled at in French and so you become obsessed with sharpening and having the sharpest knife so that you can you can julienne and do everything you need to do with the utmost precision. So explain to me Your, your process how you got started with sharpening and, and what you what you've settled into as your process.

Unknown Speaker 11:11

Okay, so for kitchen knives?

Unknown Speaker 11:15

So okay, how to sharpen kitchen knives. so I okay, so I was I'm 33 this is like 18 when I started getting into it so well, I didn't really even get on a YouTuber incident was on last year so I'm, I'm like, I'm okay I'm a Neanderthal, like I'm good at like dealing with fire and like dead animals. That's it when it comes in in tech and knives like anything technical and very I'm not very confused. So, you know, I didn't know about YouTube or the internet or anything so it was just asking guys that were no, not so many to go piss off because of some kid asking about how to sharpen it. Because it was very common sense everybody's grab a stolen so you go and go buy the cheap Chinese stones and the Chinese warehouse And then you grab it you sit there you and I just like anybody else I just, you know I went and I learned from a sushi restaurant and a buddy of mine were there and he's like, sharpen you talk to the chef because he's, he's sharpening these knives all day long and I'm like crazy. So I went there and you know, I got a gig there just washing dishes part time I watched him and I saw what he was doing and I go home and try to replicate it just destroying just district i mean i'm talking you're talking I mean I had knives that were like, you know I took inches off these not just because you know, you know understand angle control so so you just scrub and scrub and then just peel and these knives to nothing is trying to learn how to apex and then just it's just, that's what guys asked me about sharpening all the time. It's just like anything you just got to do they can't get scared because it all but a ruin and if you never gonna, you might scratch it was like a collector's piece like that. You don't really want to move. You got to He's right. You just got it. Yes, I was. I just, I mean I would go in. I would go online and look for stones. Trying to find the ones with reviews and stuff I didn't know about forums. I just tried just asking the chef that's what the chef used. Oh yeah, Nana was.

Super Steel Steve 13:20

Nobody in Forida carries them.

Bob DeMarco 13:24

So how does it differ? You said that sharpening a kitchen knife differs from a pocket knife. How does it differ? Is it because the steel is so much thinner? What's the

Super Steel Steve 13:34

Oh just the technique for me...

Unknown Speaker 13:36

Just 'cause. Yeah, like for me this is totally personal kitchen knife is much larger. So I'll usually set it on over some counter pocket knives used to frustrate me because they're so tiny that he's given me the blades. So using my club and our big hands are the guys can still be you know, fat fingers Jimmy Dean sausage making. So trying to do this. It was tiny and it just drove me crazy. So that's When I adopted megan christy does that in hand that's what I did I started doing that years ago because I saw an old man doing it with like a sort of guy was a river rock. And I was like, Okay, that makes more sense. So my technique for pocket knife is usually in hand, whereas a kitchen knife is usually two handed on a table over the sink.

Bob DeMarco 14:19

How long would you say from the start of you know, deciding that you needed to have sharp knives for your livelihood? How long did it take you to actually develop a process and and now what would you say your skill level is with sharpening

Super Steel Steve 14:34

it probably

Unknown Speaker 14:37

because I really wanted to learn so practicing it problems of who solid week of just grinding at it, I get an eight like get something that would resemble an edge. And then from there, just paying attention looking at constantly looking at it. So probably to be I say, a good month and a half two months of sharpening every single day together. Where I could you know get a nice paper cutting edge so yeah that was I mean every I would come home with sharp sharp obviously my stones to work and to me shifts and just making thickness okay so now now you're now you're involved in this effort to kind of investigate the properties of production knife steals I don't know how else to put it in the most general sense because I'm not exactly sure the full scope of what you're doing Tell me about heat treat police tell me about your efforts and and how you got here how I got here so I started the channel a little over a year ago on because I guess I never really youtuber that I happen to be on YouTube. I probably saw some of the said, he said made his videos and I started looking and realizing they were these people talking about knives and again I had no idea that folders were anything other than making So I started I actually when I was spider COEs education, and there was this laundry list of students and like my jaw dropped and I'm like, Oh my god, there's all these seals I have to learn how to sharpen. These are amazing because I was just a geek and he got up and I couldn't figure out how I still can at 9% vanadium where I'm from kitchen world. It's usually very simple steals cars deals. I was like, Oh my god, this is amazing. So that's how I started getting into it. Well then I started seeing in the comments because other viewers were saying stuff that where I come from in the kitchen knife world, most people about high end kitchen I've already been chefs, most of them are home cooks at home chefs progress. And they almost always start by sharpening and then they slowly get into high end knives because they're looking for better teachers and seniors. So everyone where I come from, they all know how to sharpen and they'll understand he tree geometry raquan When I got into the fold, I realized everyone was clueless, like people were talking about things. That's my first videos as 30 v was because I saw these images I hear over and over again smtps chip, Chip yesterday's chipping. And I'm like, how, how do you say that about just a little bit of broad stroke, this seal is like this, you know, there's so many things that go into play, and I just thought it was like, I've seen it, seen it, seen it. And then it was like, You know what, I'm just gonna, I'm gonna, I'm going to make a video and I'm going to start testing, audio cut test, as controlled as I can and as real as I can. And I'm just going to video documented. So when someone starts kind of regurgitating these things, I can kind of point them in a direction. But anyway, look, this is what I found. And here's what I'm kinda of a put your money where your mouth is kinda guy.

Bob DeMarco 17:48

So did you find for instance, with s 30 v, that it depends less on the steel and more on the heat treat more on who's who's making it and that kind of thing?

Unknown Speaker 17:58

Yeah, absolutely. So tthat's the thing and I used this example before my videos I really I guess look for what everybody is when you look at the composition of a steel is just like looking at the ingredient list on a cake. That's all it is the heat treat is the actual baking. So if you take these exact same ingredients mix it and then you bake the cake at 150 degrees Fahrenheit for an hour you're going to have much if you bake it at 700 degrees for seven hours you're going to have ash so you have to learn how to bake the cake right to get the desired result. Same thing with steel when you look at just the name and those the composition it's just a laundry list of ingredients.

Bob DeMarco 18:37

Yeah,

Super Steel Steve 18:37

The guy or the heat treaters how they cook it is gonna and then how they grown is going to determine how the knife performs.

Bob DeMarco 18:45

It's funny. We get attached to alphanumeric combinations that that for whatever reason sound good to us. M M 390. All day Whereas, you know, eight cr 13 just sounds tacky.

Super Steel Steve 19:07

So so 1989

Bob DeMarco 19:10

So what was the what was the impetus? Or what was the the the one knife that made you like hmm, I don't know, and actually got you to do some professional testing.

Unknown Speaker 19:25

Sothe test, so what happened with the testing was so everyone a lot of people reference me with this whole HRC thing through the veil because I've available it's got like 10,000 views but it started way before that Apple was I was just testing the sharpen the knives, same as Yoshi, same finish, yada yada cut the same stuff. And I was just documenting. And I started when I started testing, mp3 1920 cV, they all performed about the same, which happened to be almost identical to s 13 x 35. So people were going Wait, it doesn't make sense. M390 is a superior steel. And me being ignorant to how kind of ignorant everybody else was. I'm like, Oh, well, it's just probably not that hard was probably the same hardness because the seals aren't really that different. And then there was just everyone's just like, you don't know, you're crazy. What are you talking about? And I'm kind of scratching my head. I'm like, Well, guys, it's not just the name of the seal, you know, it's got to be hard as a challenge. And then No, no, you're tested BS. You don't know what you do. And I'm like, no. And then what ended up happening was Kurt, whose, J. Kool G 19. On Instagram, was doing he's been a machinist collect 30 years, whatever. And he had, he's a big knife guy. And he had been doing access to a Rocco tester and certified on how to use it. And he had been doing tests for ltk. Well, the most. Well, then he just randomly hit me up was like, man, I love what you do, and you ever want to know as tested, I'd be more than happy to do that. I've also got a PMI gun that I can test the composition. And I was like, Cool problem. And that's where it started. So I centum a couple of years after I did the gut test, and then lo and behold, you know, the S30V knives, M390 knives, who around the same amount, almost identical harvest, and they cut relatively similar and I wasn't crazy

Bob DeMarco 21:12

Okay, so what does what does that mean then? What is the difference then? You know, in that case between those two blades, and those two heat treats, what was the actual difference between that as 30 V in the m 390? What What could you point to,

Unknown Speaker 21:27

you got to look at a few things. So, you look at okay cardboard, right? So it doesn't bind up behind the scene. So the biggest, the biggest, the biggest contributor to enter attention that you can do, right now the edge of you know, low the angles, so being the edge angle was the same. And when I was cutting was the same, I can rule the geometry out and I could I knew what the steel was. So the only other factor that affects the attention after that is how hard this diesels in a perfect world but kind of katra tests was only gonna bring them up. Let's see, take Lehren nice. So there's a formula that you can plug in numerical values and get an estimated cash a test over, if you take s 30 v, and you take M390 at the same Rockwell, the same edge geometry, the same finish, M390 will only out cut 30 V by 15%, which I don't think a lot of people realize. So in a day to day normal guy world, you probably not going to notice 15% that's just so some teeny tiny you're not even get a couple of them one directional young, you know, if you don't hit a statement or something, you don't mean so yeah. So when you have the two steals at an even lower rock, well, then the gap is even smaller and even smaller. So you know, the Rockwell C scale is logarithmic. So as you know, it starts off very slow, and then as it gets harder, it shoots up dramatically. So the difference between 50 HRC and 55 HRC is not even close to the difference between 68 and 65. It's much more dramatic. So do those things like written? Yeah. So people, I guess just didn't really kind of understand how that worked before. So when you show so that in effect is less about as soon as you go back out of scale, so that's where this whole HRC thing started taking off, and people started buzzing about it. How has this affected if at all how you buy knives or how you select what you're going to spend your money on? It's hard, being somebody who sharpens and I promote sharpening a lot. It doesn't matter to me as much, because I know it helps me know what I'm getting into. So like, stuff like M390, 20CV, I kind of just it doesn't, it's not that this deal is not going to sway me one way or the other. So it has the testing though, going through so many brands and having multiple samples from each brand. It gives me a better indication of kind of who's hitting the mark and who's not. So if I'm looking for a night that I, you know, like, again, I want to look really great education with or it's a new seal, you know, like Spyderco tends to do a really good job with their histories on their exotic steals and stuff like that. Whereas someone like, you know, like, if I was going to go buy like a dog from lion steel, I'm not buying that because I think it's gonna cut more than paper. You know, I mean, I'm not gonna have any hopes or intentions because I think that I was, you know, can I be like pocket jewelty? It's gonna be more managing like, Oh, this looks nice.

Super Steel Steve 24:30

expected to do cut up a paper bag,

Bob DeMarco 24:32

right, right and nothing nothing that I'm going to do is going to challenge this m 390 in any way whatsoever.

Super Steel Steve 24:38

Yeah, it's just like I just except it's soft. It is what it is. I bought, can you buy that for multiple reasons, as your attention isn't CLL you know, being a user, you know, my biggest thing was, and again, I never I never started this to be this is booms fill in the blank, call it all these people out the way. It's just it kind of just went that way, you know?

Bob DeMarco 24:57

Okay, so you mentioned lion steel. Let's Let's go Talk about some companies by name. But you know however you're comfortable with that Who do you think is doing a great job you mentioned Spyderco is excellent with the heat treat of their exotic steals. Who else out there do you like in terms of how they heat treat whatever it is.

Unknown Speaker 25:16

Benchmade does a really good job just about everything they do. People complain about their srtp they do a really good job they're in for a very good job on 154cm do a very good job on S30 they do about industry standard on 20 cv it's usually soft and Manley Knives does a phenomenal job. Mainly knives is actually a company that after we found some of their knives coming back soft edge attention test. We actually contacted them and through working with Kurt production ended up doing a lot nailing them. He treated pieces of steel that were ended up finding out that process that diamond on the record says was broken and that their ovens were off by about 30 degrees Celsius. Oh, my gosh. So they were like, thank you so much. They went, they had their ovens recalibrated. It was actually funny because they were like, you know, we were wondering, I guess in us in Europe, people tend to use their knives like crowbars, and we get lots of broken knives all the time. He knows we get them all the time and for some reason for the last month this last couple months we haven't really been getting as many calls and now you know why was because everything was was really soft and they were the guys with the snap and then so you know, that was just an exam because people get flak sometimes people saying that a call a company's I'm trying to do bad I'm not trying to be bad. I'm just the guys in the in the group are just trying to, like for instance, right there was a company that was had all the best intentions and didn't know what was happening. And then he showed it to him and they were like, thank you so much. They fixed it. Matter of fact, over the last month or so, they've been contacting people who had purchased the two nights from that batch and replacing them for free.

Bob DeMarco 26:58

Wow, that's good business

Super Steel Steve 27:00

Super stand up people

Bob DeMarco 27:02

where they're out of Bulgaria

Super Steel Steve 27:04

Bulgaria yeah. They've got a rep here in the US. Yeah, but they're based out of Bulgaria

Bob DeMarco 27:09

I think that it's completely legitimate to name names sounds so confrontational I don't mean it like that but but you know, we heard a lot about the bailout the three V on the bailout which now I am definitely not a steel expert. I have my I know what I like to as a as a total amateur I know I like 154 Cm I love the way it sharpens. We talked about this on on sharp talk I love the way it sharpens. I love the way it behaves, and it seems to hold for for my limited use. It's It's awesome. But I also you know, like knowing that I'm getting premium steals when I'm paying, you know, premium bucks. I think it's legitimate to say the three v steel on this is not What it should be for that steel for me when I heard about that I always thought three v was kind of a camp knife steel or a high impact fixed blade steel and I was kind of shocked not shocked but a little bit vexed as to why they would put that on a small kind of, you know, tactical pocket knife. Yeah, did that seem like an odd choice to begin with?

Unknown Speaker 28:23

Yeah, and that's what started the whole thing is when I did the test as well, I brought up Emerson because they were advertising this knife. It was a marketing ploy. It was frustrating it annoyed because it was MTV exactly it's a combat this is a high it was extremely tough night as relatively high impact resistance. It's very tough. That's what it does, but it's also tough at a higher hardest. So the benefit really is it's got pretty good resistance. It's got much better right where resistance to something like an a two or oh two to one steel. A much better words. This is for beating like he just said like a fixed when I saw it They have these you know on their website and there's these soldiers you know tonight and they're sad and through stuff and telling people how to have the strength the strength to weight ratio is through the roof on the side and I'm like no, no it's not like there's a million things that are going to go wrong with that night before I even knew the steel saw that are going to go wrong with that before you know who cares and this deals to things made out of plastic it's a bug out it's just a glorified bug. So that's where you know that started and then we I purchased a company purchased over some hurt and I called it I can show you my post and Instagram guys are raving A lot of it on the main website and under three v it said targeted Roxwell heartless 55 to 58 so I'm gonna show you the post way back when it six months ago when I was like, Guys, okay, excited. It looks like they're making this stuff, you know, banana soft here. And then then it was our Pocono we were like, Oh, that's really soft stuff. Yeah, that's it was just it was it didn't make any sense to me.

Bob DeMarco 30:00

So middle maybe they had a bunch of leftover 3d maybe, yeah just like they seem to have a lot of leftover S30. So what do you think of their their announced shift to aluminum handles and M4 steel for that knife?

Unknown Speaker 30:16

What was funny was funny is this and it annoys the hell out of me and my guys in my in my HRC police repair that's what they announced right we have a new version for people that want to quote a beefy or whatever aluminum handle them for what they really quietly said in text is and we increas e the Rockwell of the 3d version to 60/62.

Bob DeMarco 30:42

Oh really?

Super Steel Steve 30:42

Yeah, you didn't see that, did you? Because they didn't want to tell anybody. So it kind of annoys the shit I'm sorry. Ignore the hell out of me because I know they saw the video. I know they know what people are talking about. I know that they're responsible community and instead of owning and going in because they sent emails saying is chuckling specifically at me. was saying, oh by the know, the seal is soft because we want easy sharpening in the field. And it's not meant to be a catch all and we want it to maximize its strength. The softness has nothing is the opposite of strength. But then they turn around and just quietly increase the HRC. And don't take it up, you know, they don't turn around like Mnaley Knives millionaires around was like, hey,

thanks just kind of turned around or like, Hey, we happen to raise it

Bob DeMarco 31:23

they had an opportunity to to really work on their PR on there because, you know, things have not been great benchmade and they had a real opportunity to sort of, Hey, you know, thanks for being a part of this, you know, conversation and turning it into a like a, hey, it's you and us and we're listening to you and we're going to react to me, that's the way that's the way you could come out looking good and

Unknown Speaker 31:52

You spoke and we answered. Yes, you are. Great. We're great. We're gonna raise it 6062 and then you know, we'll push

Bob DeMarco 31:59

it Also says it also says we're not too big to care and we're not too big, not to be nimble, you know what I mean? And, you know,

Super Steel Steve 32:07

it annoyed me and, and or the guys in the group, you know, it's just kind of stuck out for me for a lot of dumb things that they've done, you know, because they're an American company, and I thought they, you know, met well, but it's a turn around and just like slyly do that and just with no explanation, not what you just saw. It's like, you know, like alchemy. When he posted up on his Instagram. He's like, what about it beans. I thought you wanted it. So I thought this was intent, right? This was intentional. So where's where's the answer? And they just love you know, just crickets. So it's, I'm gonna catch me picking up a replacement for a while I'm pretty ticked off about it. I am going to name names or anything just to be to the community. Hey, we're here. We're listening. You heard what you said. We're going to work for you guys. And this is what we're doing. No, none of that.

Bob DeMarco 32:52

Yeah. This kind of interaction which has made the knife world what it is today, over the last 10 years or roughly what Ever since social media became a driving part of our culture I feel like that's when now there's a million different knives to choose from in every steel in every you know, flavor shape, you know, whatever, whatever you want is out there and it's primarily because nimble companies have listened to what people want and they're smart and I like okay, let's make it for him.

Super Steel Steve 33:22

Look at every Chinese OEM yes literally insert every single Chinese manufacturer that's out there right now. Oh you guys like this.

Here we go. What price point here you go.

Bob DeMarco 33:32

Look at me I have a Kirby lambert in my hand

you know

Super Steel Steve 33:34

like in that and they -- their fit and finish on their knives just like redonkulous

Bob DeMarco 33:42

beautiful

Super Steel Steve 33:42

you got custom makers like shaking because these guys can put up ty frame locks with like, you know, CNC precision for fractions of what guys can do themselves.

Bob DeMarco 33:51

I don't know if you know this about me, but I am a huge and lifelong ever since 1987 or so. Cold Steel fan. I love cold. Steel so this year will actually a couple of years ago they started replacing their a us as a with a US 10 Do you know anything about that and what what the difference might be you being kind of steel nerd? Yeah.

Super Steel Steve 34:15

Coldsteel. Let me shout them out ... they're a company that does a phenomenal job

at heat treat and at grinding and a phenomenal job on factory sharpen. They do look I'm a clinical psychologist and I'm a photo because they do ridiculous stuff and chop because it's gone. I think they enjoy the laughter that comes at you don't you don't have big ol fat Lynn Thompson you know 47 pistols I'm shooting both in like a Tarzan Pogo because you want to be serious. But AUS8 to AUS10 are just that they're Japanese, the Japanese seals and they are you're talking the eight and the 10 is a matter of carbon content. So AUS8 is very similar to 8CR so there's about point 8% Carbon, AUS10 has 1% carbon so AUS10 is going to be more of a 440C. So it's about that level, which allows you to get a little bit harder. There AUS eight was a phenomenal I would buy that all day long. I mean, they're the way they do the US eight was phenomenal. So I have no doubt they'll do the 10 you look at it a little bit better every attention is hard a little bit more. You'll get a tiny bit more carbide in it from the carbon but it's nothing it's nothing crazy, you know sound like kind of, you know, it's like it's like the difference between I said this 30 in the afternoon it you probably won't notice much of a difference. Unless they made it like super hard. It's still gonna be a great steel.

Bob DeMarco 35:39

So explain to me how you got started in pocketknives and and how your love of pocketknives has evolved and what your ideal pocketknife is.

Unknown Speaker 35:49

It's just the steel... I like I went on that education. Like there's all these skills to sharpen I just started picking them up. You know, like everyone doesn't first get in it like a madman is like Steel, steel steel, I wanted every different seal I could, I could imagine in businesses and then I was sharpening them all. And that's what that's what led into the channel was because I pick up all these deals. And I'm looking at the company know what there's what I think they're going to do and you know on the stones that some of them feel soft and then when I'm taking them to work every day, you know, at work, you know, at the restaurant, I'm getting, you know, a delivery, usually four days a week, I'm getting a major truck delivery at least two or three times a week. So you're looking at anywhere between like 40 to 60 cases center largest. So you know, these are big, trigger. corrugated boxes so relaxed because blacks out of the fruit. So I'm running a knife through a lot, a lot of hard, you know, so you can really quickly within a week, not even within a couple days figure out if the steel is going to hold a better to that type of cutting or not. I mean, it takes three shifts and you have either sold up or it's not. So that's Started I mean it was the steels and the sharpening.

Super Steel Steve 37:04

I do think

Bob DeMarco 37:09

we'll see your What are you using right now you're in the kitchen you're you're three times a week you're getting these giant shipments with this big thick cardboard what've you been using

Unknown Speaker 37:19

I carry my sebenza or carry usable I carry that I carry my Spyderco Caribbean a lot because of the light because ship pants are light so if I have a heavy nothing I don't care about it like I have vastly different days and purposes little kind of weakened our genes. So I'll carry like my hinder me to nothing it's a heavy night but if you have these little thin girls that pajama pants ship is and if I have that hanging on my back pocket, it'll happily drag my pants to the floor. Right here Carribean's light, it's LC200N ...it can have blood and fish guts over the you know, I think I can trash that and it'll hold up and breaking a lot of box zipties and chemical

Bob DeMarco 38:03

so how do you like that? lc 200n

Unknown Speaker 38:07

It's the coolest deal size where that stuff is really yeah, it's it sharpens amazing, it's nasty. It's not because it's not a normal steel so

Super Steel Steve 38:17

and it holds edge for

as long as I can go, I can sharpen that thing, I can go through three truckloads

and I can just hit it with a straw, bring it back like that.

Bob DeMarco 38:30

I've had a Spidey chef for a few years and I love the knife itself. And I don't see myself getting rid of it. Because to me, it's like a little, a little work of engineering, you know, art that I just want to hold on to, but I've never been able to and I'm a pretty decent sharpener just with my sharp maker and strop, and I've never been able to quite get that thing the way it should be. I feel like it should just kind of look at things and they fall they fall apart. So I haven't gotten a fair opinion of LC200N and it's due to my own lackluster performance, sharpening the stuff

Super Steel Steve 39:05

If you get a chance to really grind...

once you once you get into this as weird it's not like a typical you hear me talk about a regular steel This is not you know this is always the way is made the electro slag

it's a different thing.

Bob DeMarco 39:22

I don't even know what you're talking about what is that?

Unknown Speaker 39:25

LC200N it is n't like what you have a traditional Ingot steel or a carbon steel. Heat treated any other pm seal was a powdered steels the atomize them and they spray in it and then a quick little tidying is LCT Wonderland is created they forge It was called electro slag. And it's just kind of how it sounds. It's in essence, I like describe it. It's a form of electro bonding. This this including, so it's not in it's like center. It's not kind of like a PMC. So it's not forged initiative. In a way, that's the only way they can get enough nitrogen nitrogen backing to get enough nitrogen in so that's why there's been a chromium so hold the nitrogen and it's the nitrogen Steel's are like a whole weird state as far as from NASA some space age craziness, and that's why it doesn't act like you know, it's got like, whatever it is a fraction of the other

Super Steel Steve 40:26

it's basically a chromium nitrogen.

Bob DeMarco 40:29

So maybe maybe the incantations I've been reciting aren't the right ones before I start sharpening that I need my approach needs to change I think,

Super Steel Steve 40:37

yes, it's

Bob DeMarco 40:39

totally different. It is. Yeah,

Super Steel Steve 40:40

it's just different. I'm going to get sharp because like,

creepy spooky, like I better show

Bob DeMarco 40:49

so have you gotten any other responses from any companies directly? I saw that Hogan knives sent alchemy one some. Some hoax. I'm not sure was about I kind of loosely follow him on Instagram as well and, and So has anyone else responded in a positive or otherwise way?

Super Steel Steve 41:11

So I've got my head I can't think of all of us in about five or six besech. I noticed.

Unknown Speaker 41:18

Like I said Manley. Three Rivers manufacturer, actually another I think about it. I made a post I got a knife and from the neutron, and I can squeeze the sales and you could watch the centering go back and forth and it was rockin and bad play. And once I went after that with the blade show, I went there and I saw the guys, gentlemen, the woman recognize me when I said looking at all the neutrons there. white guys were thinner, you know, you could squeeze 'em and the blade play didn't happen.

Bob DeMarco 41:50

Interesting, because they've always been known for their super thin grinds, at least as far as I've heard

Unknown Speaker 41:57

somebody like me right I do have knives all the time Dealing with my work knives and Japanese so they're very very thin. So I know in geometry is the first time I hit this knife I'm like, hell is this thing like is what did you buy this off the black market I must have gotten like this is because I can eyeball and I'm like there's no way this thing is that thing actually on a Strider and SNF and the Strider and the neutron, we're the same thickness behind the edge.

Super Steel Steve 42:27

Because when you

Unknown Speaker 42:28

sharpen your idea when you get about a 15 degree percent or 30 inclusive, so after a couple passes once I get a burr I can look at that edge bevel and you can see how wide or skinny isn't getting idea. The second I looked at it I'm like oh, this thing's over my calipers these things get noticed like a measurement isn't where's my Strider that sort of the bells look the same. And I grabbed it and I put a thing on Instagram and I've shown it cut through cardboard go like, hey, Nick, he wasn't making fun of Chavez Oh, it's so sleazy. Right, it's not a slice of bread. You know, I would use my striker that's 190,000 You know, I mean, obviously, I pinner police. Yeah. So they they didn't come, right. They kind of didn't say anything to me. But I found out from other makers that they have switched, who's doing the hand grinding, edge bevels, and such and such. Their grinds ere thinner, they look like they're probably less than 20 behind the edge. So everything's working.

Super Steel Steve 43:21

I'm not the Bad Guy, I'm just looking out for us

Bob DeMarco 43:24

Hey, you know, I think it's important and I think in all realms, people should be prepared. If they're out there and they're asking you to trade your hard earned money for their product or service. They have to be willing to take some constructive criticism. It's not like you're saying, this knife sucks.

And moving on, you're saying look, this is this and that and I noticed this in that and, you know, we are knife makers. You know, we are manufacturers of knives, what we know is making knives and then over here you have we are naive users. What we know is that obsessing like fools Over Knives so listen to us too because you know we kind of know what we're talking about

Super Steel Steve 44:06

again coming from the kitchen restaurant industry it boggles my mind. The relationship of consumer to maker manufacturer versus a restaurant owner really any other industry I've ever seen. Like, you don't go to the car dealership and they look at you and they stop and they tell you can't afford the car and they put you in a jalopy POS and they have you going through it no like they worship you because they're trying to sell you a car. But here in the in the restaurant business people come in sir, I my servers train like monkeys, like I will cut limbs off. They don't treat my guests like guests, right? You come in, you know your name. You know what you like, we're gonna we're gonna make you feel wonderful. Not just the food but the whole experience, right? It's when you go to the restaurant, but in the night. You have makers that just that will take money and run don't cuss out customers and you have companies that will just be like now we're doing this or we don't care about this and us as consumers just like like mere cash is a deal waiting for the next sprint run to come up with Spyderco you know they when they want to jack the price up $15 a year a weird dynamic you know like in any other industry you have to sell what sells you confuse your customers and here it's just like you know I get flack when I turn around and say the three I get flack from my own people like the consumers are calling us something wrong where it's like looking at the wrong guy.

Bob DeMarco 45:34

That's that brand loyalty. And and also like in dealing with the knife world you're dealing with, like artist slash Craftsman slash businessmen last oftentimes, you know, oftentimes there are people who have a love for knife knives and a love for making things. And you know, the realities are the crushing realities are for business. You have to be constantly on your phone constantly being in touch with people and communicating because especially now people, you know, my God, I texted him 10 minutes ago, where is he dead? Does he hate me? Like, is he not making my knife? What's going on here? You know, so that's, I can see how that might be a hard balance. You know, being a craftsman slash artist and really having your head, in your shop and in in the clouds in the best sort of way. And then having to deal with the realities of

running a business

Super Steel Steve 46:29

And look guys, you should look at it makers, custom makers. I have a customer that's what I do I make I make midtech and custom food so I can relate and understand I to to whatever degree being different. But so you know us it's like a lot. This is what you want to do for a living, right? This is what she wanted. So it's like I have people all the time to come to the exceed. You know, I love cooking. I want to be a chef and I'm like you love cooking. You're like yeah Like you don't cook professional, what do you mean? Watch your love of cooking just evaporate and start cooking professionally. Why? Because it's robotic. And it's maniacal and it's hard and it's hot and it's painful. And it's, it's a job, it's a career, it's a business. My job is not just to make all the beautiful food that I want to make, my job is to make beautiful food that people want to buy. And I have to also have a customer service with that. So you know, as a guy kind of in that same like, I have a passion. Oh, and I love unicorns and rainbows over you know, everybody wants to be Bobby Flay, right, we're on TV, and we're, you know, an emerald, bam, bam, but it's not like that in the real world. You know, once you start doing something professionally, like the real world slaps you in the face, you're like, Oh, this isn't as cool as I thought it was going to be. It's still his job. I have to pay bills. You know, so they don't I don't know. They don't get any sympathy for me. It sucks. I guess. You got it. You know, you want to make a living and you got to deal with it. You wanna make knives on the side or full time job, then do that

Bob DeMarco 48:03

I came up in it through art school and there's the same thing you you you cannot be precious about anything you have to be ready to hear some someone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And and that's what really like you said that's what gets you better. Steve, I want you to tell people how they can find your videos, especially your videos about steel testing and about steel comparisons, and then where they can find you on Instagram and all that stuff.

Super Steel Steve 48:29

Yeah, if you're looking for a bearded drunk man to rant and rave about

Unknown Speaker 48:33

steel, Sr steel steel on YouTube, and Instagram, I'm Chef Callari. Feel free to DM me about anything guys have certainly questions all the time that I was trying my best to help 'em out People want recs, recommendations on knives, so that's where you can find me. I'm not on Facebook I've never been on Facebook. I know. I'm a dinosaur. Like I said, I'm a neandethal

Unknown Speaker 48:53

knives, fire ... it's what I'm good at. Dead animals

Bob DeMarco 48:56

Hey, man, that's it. That's the perfect triumvirate.

Super Steel Steve 49:00

If there really is a zombie apocolypse I'll be really good at it

Bob DeMarco 49:01

These super steel Steve Thank you for coming on The Knife Junkie podcast it's been a pleasure

Unknown Speaker 49:07

Awesome man, thanks so much for having me on.

Announcer 49:08

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Jim Person 49:12

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Bob DeMarco 49:45

well uh you know super steel Steve is is known for his steel knowledge. He's also known for his bluster and bravado but i don't know i It was great to talk to him and really meet him and and get the and get the scoop on him because He's a real enthusiast real knife enthusiast and lover. He and I have the same favorite steel by the way. But also he's a real a real user daily user of knives and is interested not only in heat treat and steel type but also edge geometry grind angle and all these other things. So he's uh, I mean he's a he's a true Knife Junkie. And you know, I think he's a font of information. And it was it was awesome to talk to him and get to know him also, it made me feel like maybe steel composition is kind of interesting or more interesting than I gave it credit for but most definitely the whole heat treat process and the Rockwell measuring and all that it

suddenly I'm interested

Jim Person 50:46

well and as you said earlier in the intro, since he does use knives on a daily basis being a chef, you know, it makes sense that you know, the the knife steel needs to be what it is the knife needs to perform as its advertised. So

Bob DeMarco 51:00

yeah, he's the real deal he's not just a collector. He's not an armchair warrior you know burning up his keyboard talking about steals he he knows what he's talking about them

Unknown Speaker 51:10

alright, another podcast in the books as we say Episode Number 80 of the Knife Junkie podcast The Knife Junkie dot com is where you can find all of the podcast if you go to The Knife Junkie dot com slash listen you'll find all the most recent episodes there and you can listen as far back as your heart desires. Also please subscribe to the Knife Junkie newsletter and our YouTube channel go to The Knife Junkie dot com slash subscribe and you can subscribe to the podcast the newsletter and the YouTube channel is The Knife Junkie dot com slash y t subscribe so for Bob The Knife Junkie DeMarco I'm Jim Person the knife newbie. I want to thank you for listening to the Knife Junkie podcast.

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Rank #9: SOG, ESEE Xancudo, Justin Lundquist (WE and Kizer), Spartan and Spyderco — The Knife Junkie Podcast (Episode 79)

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SOG, ESEE Xancudo, Justin Lundquist (WE and Kizer), Spartan and Spyderco — The Knife Junkie Podcast (Episode 79)

On the mid-week supplemental episode of The Knife Junkie podcast, Bob covers top stories in Knife Life News, including the retirement of SOG Founder Spencer Frazer, the ESEE Xancudo, new knives for WE and Kizer from Justin Lundquist, Spartan’s launch of its budget Silver Line and Spyderco’s first 2020 product reveal.

Links to stories, podcast episodes mentioned and the knives covered in the podcast can be found below.

Lots of Knife Life News this week, including SOG, the ESEE Xancudo, new knives for WE and Kizer from Justin Lundquist, Spartan's launch of its budget Silver Line and Spyderco's first 2020 product reveal.
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Announcer 0:03

Welcome to the Knife Junkie podcast your weekly dose of knife news and information about knives and knife collecting. Here's your hosts Jim Person and Bob The Knife Junkie DeMarco

Jim Person 0:17

Hello Knife Junkie and welcome to the midweek supplemental episode of The Knife Junkie podcast I'm Jim Person

Bob DeMarco 0:23

and I'm Bob DeMarco Welcome to the podcast.

Jim Person 0:26

The Knife Junkie podcast is the place for knife newbies and Knife Junkie is to learn about knives and knife collecting and our midweek supplemental episode as we are calling it is the episode where we get to dive deep into a handful of knife stories and knife news and you know really get the news and kind of dive deep on some of the topics in the news and Bob something that just came out a couple of days ago and maybe even the end of last week. SOG and it seems like we are constSOGantly talking about SOGyou know we

Bob DeMarco 0:57

have been talking about SOG most recently. Due to their rehashing their whole line of folding knives and kind of restyling and updating and the the updates that I've seen so far are really exciting and definitely have me taking another look at SOG folders always been a big fan of their, of their old classic style fixed blades but but you know, this, the gentleman who started it, his name is Spencer Frazier and he started the company SOG by trying to recreate the famous Mac v SOG. Bowie and and this was a knife made for Special Operations who are going in and doing reconnaissance in Southeast Asia Vietnam and and such. And the knife that they had was sort of legendary. And I remember seeing an interview on YouTube with nothing fancy interviewing Spencer Frazier and he talked about the whole story of of getting this having this MAC the sub But we reproduced in in Japan and just kind of the tribulations he went through to have this knife reproduced, but how having it done was what launched the entire company. And 3030 some odd years later, he's stepping down he'll take an advisory role, but it's kind of interesting. It's happening kind of right as the whole series of knives that they have are kind of being retooled. So maybe that was his swan song, you know, on leaving, but I gotta say I'm so I'm so glad Spencer Fraser brought this MAC v SOG sort of popularized this, this blade in this blade shape, but it out of the three or four songs I have, it's definitely my favorite, but it does remind me of the one that's closest to my heart. And it's this folding lock back SOG lock back. Think it's called a wild cat. But it came out I bought this in a knife shop in Boston in nine 1991 in the summer of 91, I was there studying art at the museum school. And there was a knife shop, I believe it was on Commonwealth Avenue. And it was downstairs. And I remember going in there and just being wowed by everything I saw. And seeing this, this SOG folding knife it was the weirdest thing. It looked like the tactical knife that I knew, just in a folding version. And at the time that was brand new. I think maybe Cold Steel had started to make folders at that point. But I've had this thing ever since. And only in the last year have I put a decent edge on it. It came dull, and it stayed no because I could never sharpen it. And then finally I finally got it screaming sharp but it's such a sweet little knife. So anyway, I hope Mr. Frazier is off to greener pastures.

Jim Person 3:54

Well, it was interesting, what two weeks ago we had David C. Anderson of the knife center. That was Episode Number 76 The Knife Junkie dot com slash 76 and when you ask him about you know 2020 things to look forward to he said SOG knives were kind of the what what did he say that the one to look for?

Bob DeMarco 4:14

Yeah, yeah I think so i think you know they have the pedigree for sure. And for a while they stepped astray of what what is commonly you know, commonly accepted or loved in the knife community but that didn't stop them from selling a whole lot of knives. You know, there are a lot of people who don't care about things that knife guys nitpick over. And I feel like that you know, for a little while there they had a few things that people love to nitpick over but you know, SOG is SOG, they're not going anywhere.

Jim Person 4:44

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Announcer 5:56

You're listening to the Knife Junkie podcast and now here's the knife junkie with the knife life news.

Bob DeMarco 6:02

So ESEE has come out with a fixed blade version of their very popular zanpakuto folding knife, and this one's called the xancudo. But instead of z a n c u d o, it's x a n c u d o. So sounds the same looks different, I suppose. But this fixed blade version looks I don't know I really like it. I've never been a fan of the of the folding zancudo. But this just something about it looks very appealing. It's a three inch blade se instead of using their their normal 1095, high carbon steel, went with s 35 v and on this and I'm assuming because it's a small three inch utility knife, more of an EDC than anything that's going to receive any sort of impacts. You don't need that sort of high toughness of 1095 and it's got g 10 handle skills, and it comes with two different sets of skills. One is just A regular molded sculpted scale and then the second one is the same scale except to the large oval cut out in the second half of the handle. And that is so that you can apparently hang this thing with its kydex sheath on a carabiner you know hang it off your bag if you're if you're hiking with it. Interesting thing that the whole s 35 vn which se has not used before as far as I know. They're also going to be offering as 35VN on the ESSE three very, very popular, small camping knife. So se three I think again that's a that's a knife that frequently often flexes into etc and just sort of everyday use for people. It's such a great little knife great little universally shape that why not just have it be s 35 VN and not worry about the the stain, the stainless quality and all that so much

Jim Person 8:00

So you said that was S E Knives. That's how you pronounce it. But it's Yeah,

it's spelled e s e e.

Bob DeMarco 8:07

Yes. And unfortunately, I can't remember what that stands for. It is an acronym and I think it might be in Spanish. But don't quote me on that.

Jim Person 8:16

All right. Well, I think about it will try to look it up and put it in the show notes. But don't hold. Don't hold me to it. All right. Got to talk about seems kind of interesting here. WE knives and Kaiser, all involving Justin Lundquist.

Bob DeMarco 8:32

Yeah Justin Lundquist hot designer knife maker who a few years ago, his design the Feist was a front flipper I believe it was the first front flipper that Kaiser made and one of the first real popular ones out there and people went nuts for it. Very cool design, very minimalist design. And then he also came out with the axed also with with Kaiser

Jim Person 9:01

So I have angst

Bob DeMarco 9:02

Yes me too. I have knife angst. So yeah, he, he is back with both Kaiser and we, with Kaiser he's back with this cool little knife called the contrail. And that's in their Vanguard series. And Jim I'm not sure if you know this but Kaiser their Vanguard series is a high value line of knives. So you get some of the same designs in their higher value lines, just with lesser materials. And by lesser I mean Vg 10 steel actually they're moving to 154 Cm with this contrail. And hopefully they do that across across the whole line. I love 154 Cm steel Vg 10. It's fine, fine, still leaves me a little cold. But so anyway, this contrail, I am assuming is called contrail because it's kind of like you can fly with it. You can't really, but it's very people friendly, very sheeple friendly. It's got a two inch cut. A happy looking curved, you know, belly the Warren Cliff blade. I don't know sheep's foot blade. I don't know what you call this thing, but it's got a downward slope from that from the, from the spine of the blade and it's got sort of a curved edge. So it can't be a warren cliff. I guess it's a sheep's foot. But anyway, this little thing is friendly looking. Like I said, it's going to come in a number of colors. It's a liner lock, and they're using 154. It looks like a great little secondary, or tertiary pocket knife. I would definitely go for it. If I were in, you know, if I could actually if I would actually carry it. I would, I would get something like that. What do you mean by that? Well, I just keep finding myself buying these awesome little knives and I like them because I love the designs, but I just never carried the little knives.

Jim Person 10:49

You're a big knife.

Bob DeMarco 10:50

Yeah, that's right.

Because I'm a manly man.

Jim Person 10:54

That's right. We all knew that.

Bob DeMarco 10:56

But also he's got two others coming out with We knife and frankly I don't know if he's ever done anything with a knife before but these two he is coming out look cool. I'll get I'll get the first one. He's got a dagger coming out which I just love and it's called the OSS dagger, like the Office of Strategic Services, the precursor to the CIA. And it's this beautiful You know, beautiful little dagger double edge naturally as it should be. But it's it's based on the lapel daggers of World War Two, these little, these little last ditch daggered flat dagger knives that spies would have sewn in in the lapels of their jacket just in case they're getting roughed up. They could pull it up. So anyway, it's gonna be a 2.13 inch 20 cv chisel ground dagger and that sounds so up my alley. I'm gonna have

Jim Person 11:49

I'm gonna have got it gotta have one. Add it to the list,

Bob DeMarco 11:53

Exactly... but the but the one that's a little more interesting in terms of what I think will get more airplay out there. His black void Opus, which I'm sorry, that is such a pretentious name. It makes my head spin. But in listening to Justin Lundqvist talking about designing this, I can see that Justin Lundqvist is an artist, just by the way he talks, you know, I went to my fair share of our school six years if that's if that's long enough, and he talks about, he was designing the knife he was playing with the positive and negative space and the voids and and, and he has a lot of interesting ideas behind how he came up with this thing aesthetically, but none of that matters. It is a beautiful looking knife though. It is it is really a beautiful, very sleek, very nice looking front flipper. People should just look it up it the blade itself has its its sort of stabby Wharncliffy. It's kind of in the Justin Lundquist. It's what you might you might Imagine him designing from what I go for. But anyway, I just loved that kind of very artsy description of because this is someone who obviously to whom that means a lot, you know, right. So anyway, focus on positive and negative space, like Miles Davis, it's the notes I don't play.

Jim Person 13:18

Well, I am you know, from just a pure business standpoint, I find it interesting that at the same time, he's got knives coming out with Kaiser and WE so I just, you know, yeah,

Bob DeMarco 13:27

it's like, interesting how that works. And you know, what else is kind of interesting is that things that products that have a story attached to them, whether it's organic milk, you know, that comes from happy cows, or whether it's this knife designed by a heady artistic knife designer, like an a product that has a story behind it is inherently more interesting, though. Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, next, Jim, I wanted to bring up Spartan blades, Spartan blades has been around for I would say less than 10 years and they really differentiated themselves right out of the gate for their high end beautiful, unusual fixed blade combat knives. And the Spartan line names all of their products after Greek mythological figures and weapons and such. And you know that that really had me right at the start. First of all, I've always liked the design of their fixed blade knives. And I just liked that they were doing unusual things with them in terms of shape and such. But they were always out of reach, you know, pretty expensive fixed blade knives, a lot of people these are the these are prices, people want to pay on something that that has a mechanism a lot of the time but I'm very happy to find out that they just launched the silverline their price conscious silverline and I'm not exactly sure what the prices are but price conscious to me means it's less than their, you know, it's it's clearly much less than their regular line. But that could be still leave you with a with a fine bill. Anyway, they're coming out with three knives the olala the Allah, which is an EDC style, almost four inch drop point blade, and then the Demis which is a five and a half inch. Now this one looks the most like a combat knife, it's a knife that could, you know, you could do hard, hard use tasks with it but it also has an aggressive point to it and you can definitely use it as a fighting knife. And then they have a big recurve chopper called the MCI. Now, this is three solid offerings across a span of uses coming out from spart and I think that was smart. And usually they use as 35 vn and I think 20 cv this time out there using 1095. Crow Van 1095 is a great steel for outdoor knives and great steel for fixed blade knives, especially if you're going to be using them hard and you need that sort of toughness. So I I think that was a smart move there. And they're going to be powder coated, which a helps with the, the fact that the 1095 is a high carbon steel and it also looks tactical. So it goes with the whole with the whole Mystique or thing. The cool thing about this is they're going to be made in, in New York by K bar. And as you know, we mentioned on the show a while back spart knives and K bar came together to form pinelands cutlery.

Jim Person 16:29

That's right, down in North Carolina, yeah, so Southern pines, I think.

Bob DeMarco 16:32

Yeah. So this is a this is kind of the same thing, same companies, same partnership. It's under a different under different shingle, but it's kind of kicking that K bar and Spartan relationship into high gear. So that's interesting. That's great to see. I love K bar knives and they make great stuff.

Jim Person 16:53

Well, I like my K bar knife. All right. Wrapping up. Knife life news. Want to Talk about one of the names that we always hear a lot about Spyderco

Bob DeMarco 17:04

Yes, yes well, so spider co just came out with their first product reveal of the year they've been this is their second year doing it this way instead of instead of showing everyone what they plan on coming out with at the beginning of the year, they are coming out with several different product reveals in which they release. I don't know whatever amount of knives are ready to go and there's some pretty cool additions. This time there is the bombshell which is a flash batch of Michael birch designed the custom Knife of that same name. It's a knife I've been seeing on Instagram for a long time to beautiful thing and it's a great knife to to have Spyderco make it looks like it the aesthetic fits perfectly into spider COEs line. It's going to have a less than three inch blade so it's pretty small but it's a it's going to be 20 cv steel and it's going to be a big fat fat little knife and I thought that was a cool. Just right off the bat. I thought that was a great custom knife to see. Get the Spyderco treatment. But one thing that's really interesting to me this year is Jim they're there. They're premiering two new steals, CPM spy 27 or spy 27. So they teamed up with crucible industries to create that and that will appear on exclusively Spyderco knives and it will be featured on some other USA made models and I'm not sure what the qualities of the steel are supposed to be I'm not sure what they were going for when they were making CPM spy 27 but what a cool name that is. And then their second one that they came out with and it seems like it's about time with all the S 35 vn knives we've had floating around the last few years they're debuting s 45 vn on some of this 10 better, it is 10 better. I mean, that's substantial. 10 is something there and so this is going to be on their starting it on the pair of three in the paramilitary too. And so Lehren Thomas of knife steel nerds has has weighed in on this deal and he says that s 45 Ian's formulation improves edge retention and corrosive corrosion resistance over s 35 vn while sacrificing a little bit of toughness and as you know the these special steals when Spyderco releases their models and special steals they always have a certain color handle material to correspond with the steel so you can tell immediately from the handle material what steel the blade is and for this for S 45 vn it's going to be forest green forest green ladies and gentlemen. Okay,

Jim Person 19:49

that sounds kind of nice.

Bob DeMarco 19:50

So yeah, and then they have a number of other great looking things coming out the night stick it's a Gil Bradley dagger, single edge want long. If you're gonna do it dagger do a dagger. And then the Chaparral they have a cool Chaparral coming out, that's kind of an artsy Sun and Moon kind of thing. You know, they they usually have a knife every year that gets an artistic sort of treatment and then the in della is coming out the end della that the totally unnecessary knife between the Delica and the endura is coming out with the Emerson opener

Jim Person 20:23

so there you go, there you go. We mentioned Lehren Thomas of knife steel nerds he was way back on episode 13 of the Knife Junkie podcast and I've checked com slash 13 Knife Junkie, comm slash one three and and, you know as you were talking about these, these steals, and now these new ones, I mean, you know, I've heard you rattle off these numbers and letters and abbreviations, you know, and I'm like, okay, you know, there's three or four or five or six. But there's more than that. I mean, it just seems like it goes on I mean, Steel's are there lots and you know, the funny

Bob DeMarco 20:57

thing is is the hot steel lately has been m 390, or 20 cv or two of four P and those are all steals, I believe they're all made by different companies or I know, I know there are two different companies involved in those three steals for sure. And but they all have, you know, just three different companies, but they all have it's like the same formulation just from different companies.

Jim Person 21:21

So they can brand it as their own and put their own letter alphabet combination on

Bob DeMarco 21:25

exactly. And then and then when we were talking about this stuff with super, super steel, Steve, you know, he was talking about heat treat, and how much heat treat matters. You know, you can have a soft em 390 blade and then what's the point, you know, you're paying a premium for the steel type, but if it's not heat treated in a way that optimizes that steel type, you know, it's kind of a waste. That's one way of looking at it in a very interesting and compelling way of looking at it.

Jim Person 21:57

Well, you mentioned super steel, Steve off of YouTube, we had a chance to interview him and you'll hear that interview coming up this Sunday on the Knife Junkie podcast, so that'll be coming up on the weekend interview show. But yeah, definitely having to get more educated about steals and I don't know that I can do it. I just I was never Yeah, that was just never a thing of mine. You know,

Bob DeMarco 22:24

you know, Jim, I kind of feel I just don't want I don't know I don't care to dip into the chemistry and find out that deeply about steel. Yeah. I think I think for me personally, my desire to to learn that stuff would only come out of out of a practical need, like if I start forging knives in my later life, you know that that kind of information Sure, will probably become pertinent and interesting to me. But right now, it's just as abstract as high school chemistry and and to a great extent. I am Choosing knives by the designs and by the perceived utility and the difference between steals, though kind of important as a collector as a user, it's just not coming much into play.

Jim Person 23:14

Yeah, well I we will agree on that it's it's not at all into play for me I'm I'm the aesthetic guy the looks guy so so yeah Larrin back on episode 13 Super steel Steve coming up this weekend, and maybe we'll work to get Lehren back on the show to talk more steel as we seem to be having more steals coming out and that kind of thing. So anyway, and now that we're caught up with a nice life news, let's hear more of The Knife Junkie podcast. Want to remind you that coming up or some knife shows maybe still steal, still a chance for you to take part in some of these coming up by the end of the month. down in Florida. It's going to be the Gator cutlery show. That's Friday, January 31 three Saturday, Sunday, February 2, get more information if you go to Gator cutlery, calm Gator cutlery calm. Then at the canary ballroom, Nashville, Tennessee, the tactical knife Invitational February 15, the Las Vegas custom knife maker show with the Las Vegas antique arms show, February 28. through March 1, that's at the Westgate Resort and Casino in Las Vegas. And then in Miami County Fairgrounds and Troy Ohio, March six and seven. It's the spirit of the blade custom knife show. Just a few of the knife shows going to highlight here if we can remember to do it every week here on the supplemental and again this information we're getting from our friends over at knife magazine. com great list of knife shows and knife club meetings. If you don't have a subscription, we encourage you to go and do that now.

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Jim Person 25:01

Bob. You mentioned super steel Steve that's coming up but also the next Thursday night knives show Thursday, January 23. A repeat co host for you.

Bob DeMarco 25:13

Yeah, we're going to have Teryl Thomas, otherwise known as Zelrick 42. On YouTube, he will be guest hosting What a great guy and and very knowledgeable as he and his brother have have been not going to say on a journey. He and his brother have been making knives and engaging in this complicated effort of designing and having knives produced by overseas companies and they're just killing it and I have to have their knives I have the malware produced by best tech and I have the Roxy for produced by way knives, and both knives. But design wise I love both knives. A very interesting futuristic look that look like they shouldn't be comfortable in our comfortable and just have incredibly functional and and useful blades. Anyway, it's it's great to have him on the show we had him on once before. And then we also had him on the interview show and with his brother Seth, his designing partner for Todd knife and tool, and it's just great to have him on this show because he brings a perspective that we would otherwise be lacking because he's been through the mill ... pun now intended

Jim Person 26:35

intended!

Bob DeMarco 26:36

he's been through the mill of, you know, the design process, but also the production process. And he's a direct link to that world that we love because you know, he's involved in it. You know, I love he's they're also making great use of as much modern technologies they can get their hands on. Yes, they design their knives in AutoCAD or I can't remember what program but you know, they send the files to the other side of the planet. And on the other side of the planet, they stick that file in a machine it starts producing these incredible knives. They use technology that way but they also have their own 3d printers for prototyping and you know I think at this point, that's kind of a necessary purchase I would maybe not necessary but what a great way to feel something and to actually get a get a sense of how the mechanics work. Then then building a very true to live mock up in one of those machines.

Jim Person 27:38

Absolutely. Well again, mentioned Teryl, a past guest on Thursday night knives but also Terrell and south on The Knife Junkie podcast. You want to get any of the podcast episodes go to The Knife Junkie, comm slash Listen, you'll be able to find all those there and listen right there on the website. And if we could ask you a favor, please. leave a rating leave a review on the podcast it really helps us get some feedback about what we about what you think we're doing right or wrong. What guests you're like what guests you'd like to hear just you know give us a review give us a rating it would mean the world to us to get your feedback on that and if I could ask one more favor if you want to help support the show. If you're shopping on Amazon or shopping on eBay, let me give you a link to us. You won't pay any more if you buy some stuff but we'll get a very very small commission but it will help keep the lights on here so if you go to The Knife Junkie comm slash shop Amazon or The Knife Junkie com slash shop eBay and just make your purchases as normal and will get a very small commission and like said it'll help the show out. Bob as we wrap up final thoughts from The Knife Junkie, this midweek supplemental,

Bob DeMarco 28:52

I've got a number of people on hold. I'm trying to figure out dates to interview but still attuned to the Sunday show, as you alluded to before, Jim, there are just endless people in this industry who are interesting, and I just need to get them to talk to me. Right? So I have a number of people who want to talk to me and we're nailing down those dates and so we got a lot of great shows coming up. Yeah,

Jim Person 29:19

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Bob DeMarco 29:39

Jim, it's don't take dull for an answer.

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Chris Moss and Zach Thull of Dauntless Manufacturing Solutions — The Knife Junkie Podcast (Episode #78)

Chris Moss and Zach Thull of Dauntless Manufacturing Solutions (DMS), Asheboro, NC, join Bob “The Knife Junkie” DeMarco for a conversation about their company — being an OEM doing contract manufacturing, as well as consulting, engineering support and licensing products — and oh yeah, making knives such as the UB-K and the Modular Knife.

What started as online acquaintances trading motorcycle parts for a knife developed into a friendship and a business partnership as the machinists joined forces with a purchase of a CNC mill off of Craigslist to get their company started.

From the Medium Camp Knife to the Hiker, to collaborations with Matt Helm (two of them) to Ben Tendick, Dauntless Manufacturing is definitely a company to keep your eyes on.

Had a fun conversation with Chris Moss and Zach Thull of Dauntless Manufacturing Solutions of Asheboro, NC. You gotta listen to hear how a trade of motorcycle parts for a knife and Craigslist started their company.
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Zach Thull 0:00

Little did you know we had a 20 something year old CNC machine from Craigslist making all those knives

Bob DeMarco 0:06

you got while you're looking for a stroller and whatever else you get while you're on Craigslist

Zach Thull 0:11

right we're just happy we didn't get robbed

Announcer 0:17

Welcome to the knife junkie podcast your weekly dose of knife news and information about knives and knife collecting. Here's your hosts Jim Person and Bob The Knife Junkie DeMarco

Jim Person 0:31

Hello Knife Junkie and welcome to episode number 78 of the Knife Junkie podcast I'm Jim Person

Bob DeMarco 0:38

and I'm Bob The Knife Junkie DeMarco Welcome to the show.

Jim Person 0:40

The Knife Junkie podcast is the place for knife newbies and Knife Junkie to learn about knives and knife collecting and hear from knife designers, makers, manufacturers reviewers, and anyone who loves knives. That's what we're all about here on our weekend interview show. And Bob the interviews never cease to amaze me just just lots of great talent in the knife world that you get a chance to talk to each and every week.

Bob DeMarco 1:06

Well that's right and through the magic of social media I feel like I'm constantly exposed to to new talent and and to also names that have been around a while that I just wasn't wise to. So yeah, I love love the Instagram for that it's a big broad Wide World of of knife makers but also knife reviewers knife lovers, manufacturers of different pieces and parts of knives I mean it's a it's a huge industry there's a lot of folks I don't think we'll ever run out of anybody to talk to no no me too and also martial artists and people in the law enforcement world we've spoken to a number of people users on that and and yeah the the width and breadth of experience and and opinions on on these tools that we love so much. It's valuable to me anyway, it's a learning experience for sure.

Jim Person 1:56

Yeah, it's fun for me to listen to as well and we've got a good interview. For you coming up today, partners with the company down in asheboro, North Carolina, who are we going to hear from? That's right, we're going to talk to

Bob DeMarco 2:07

Zach and Chris from dauntless manufacturing. dauntless. They're a new OEM and manufacturing consultant company. And they have been these two partners you know, I, I keep having these interviews with partners, Father, Son, brothers, lots of brothers, even significant others and it's just really interesting to to see the dynamic between two people as they partner up and create a business and these two guys, Zach and Chris have a very interesting dynamic in in tackling the challenge of starting an affiliate well they've already started it's a it's a humming along business to manufacturer of knives and other things. These guys have backgrounds and motorcycles and and guns, all things manly and fun and now they are Making aside from other things that they don't just do knives, but what really caught my eye, actually on Instagram or the knives they're putting out. So that's what we talked about primarily but just really interesting to hear from an up and comer, an OEM knife company, there's so many OEMs right now making high quality work. It's interesting to hear things from their perspective.

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Bob DeMarco 4:47

I'm here with Zach Thull and Chris Moss of dauntless manufacturing and OEM out of asheboro North Carolina it's a company that caught my eye a couple of years back on Instagram with a Few really unique knives that really seemed to put a lot of attention on engineering and, and machining and one of them was called the ebk. And it it looks like the cross between a carpet knife and a karambit. And the other was called the modular knife and it was also sort of a skeletonized frame Qur'an, but but it had interchangeable blades that fit on with, I think, three little screws and it, it all seemed to fit so tightly together, and it was also sort of innovative that they caught my eye. Kristen, Zach, thank you for coming on The Knife Junkie podcast, of course. So tell me about dauntless manufacturing. What What is it that you do I? I see, you have a lot of collaborative projects, but you both have some pretty deep history in machining and working with these kind of materials and these kinds of tools. How did you become dauntless manufacturing? Oh,

Zach Thull 5:57

well, that's a long story.

Chris and I both took the rather unconventional these days path in the trades. We both became machinists. I started out in engineering college and figured out what I wanted to do, which was make stuff. More specifically I wanted to make guns and started going down that path. I wanted to make the cool stuff and really got into machining and manufacturing and the science side of manufacturing, took up the trade of machining and just stuck to it was 15 years ago, I guess. 2003 actually. So a little bit more than that. And Chris and I met through internet forum. I'm trying to think what year that was 2007 or 2008. I think about motorcycles. We we talk shop about motorcycles, and we both machined a lot of stuff. And so really hit it off. But what really brought us together, believe it or not was knives. I had some motorcycle parts that I had made. And Chris was working on a bike that they would fit and I was selling some stuff. And his his screen name was knife maker at seven. And I said, Could we trade some motorcycle parts for a knife. And sure enough, we lived a couple hours apart. Chris and I exchanged numbers and traded a beautiful, beautiful Tonto knife that he made for me for some motorcycle parts. And then from that, it just kind of snowballed. We we always stayed in touch and we became really good friends. Couple years after that, he came to work for me. And, you know, long story short. We've worked together or collaborated for quite a few years now. One point in time, we were getting a bit discouraged with how manufacturing can be which is A lot of hours and not a lot of payoff sometimes when you're the tradesman. And we talked about starting our own business over beers, and

eventually we bought a little bit of machinery.

Found a found a CNC mill on Craigslist, and we're talking over a beer and I was like, I want to buy this right. I don't quite have enough money. And Chris was like, well, I want in Chris and I pulled our money and we went and bought literally the cheapest CNC mill that you've ever seen. off of Craigslist off of an ad in Charlotte. We were both in North Carolina at the time, and had a rigger, bring it in and drop it in my garage and asheboro had to cut a hole in the ceiling so that it didn't hit the ceiling. It didn't work. So it kind of sat dormant. And somewhere along the way, we were started talking about names businesses were both working full time. And just really fed up with how the manufacturing and the thing treats people and machinists and we didn't want to work for everyone else for the rest of our lives and jobs change. I moved up and down the East Coast a couple times. We moved the mill over into his garage, got it running. All the while we were both working a lot of jobs and are a lot of hours I guess at our jobs. I moved up to Philly, and I managed machine shop for guys really making triggers and ar 15 stuff. And and then I took an engineering position for Hudson manufacturing, which is a was a short lived pistol manufacturer. And all the while we kept on trying to buy more equipment and trying to push into it and took the jump Whenever when it was a really good time, or when it was the only time really. And Chris went full time. We started with Matt Helm collaboration, and then the ebk and a few others, but all that to say, I'm still working full time in manufacturing. I managed a shop, medium sized machine shop. Chris works full time. For dauntless, we do manufacturing consultation, for small to medium sized manufacturers that want to get into machining their own stuff, we present provide the expertise in that, then we miss machine or own knives. We make our own knives and a few other products that we've worked on or had hand in. So that's really the the long and the short of it.

Bob DeMarco 10:48

was so so You said you're interested in the science side of manufacturing. What exactly what exactly do you mean by that?

Zach Thull 10:55

So there's a lot of people that really understand machining as some of that something of an art, which I don't disagree with. But what they forget is for the most part, machining is just numbers. You look at the science of quality, it's it's all how capable is your process and building a process that is perfectly usable or quantifiably usable. And so we started all through our careers, Chris and I have built processes for manufacturing, and we've been successful in that regard. And so we really looked at boiling that process and that lean manufacturing mentality down to its least common denominators, and applying it to what we had, which at the time was literally a cheap 20 something year old CNC mill from Craigslist and building the most capable processes and products and projects that we could on that.

Bob DeMarco 11:55

So Chris, you were you are a knife maker. For knives and and maker and that's a sort of process that I imagine you know, it has its it has its regular steps, but there's a lot of finesse and art to it. Does it all come down to numbers for you? Or or is it? How does that translate?

Chris Moss 12:21

For me it's actually a lot more about the art. Zach is very functional. The processes that we design are, are based on a quantifiable achievement. Are we achieving what we want? Are we getting there in the best way possible? And then once we get there, how do we make it better? For me, I've been making knives since I was about 16 years old. I've always had a fascination with knives and you know, I started out with making my own forges and, and and starting their Harbor Freight grinder pretty much self taught other than influence from well blade forum was a big influence for me a lot of the guys they're sharing their expertise and experience. My philosophy is it's not the tradecraft the secrets. It's the ability today to actually be able to create something.

If you give everybody the same

knowledge, they're still going to be people who are going to rise to the front who are going to have that passion and that precision and that desire to do things just so. So for me, nights have been a passion for a long, long time. I actually started making knives because my parents didn't want me buying knives. Yeah, they said knives are dangerous. We want you we want buy any, we don't want you to buy any. But they never said I couldn't make them. So, you know, that's always been my workaround is manufacturing for me has been a way to get things that I could never afford or things that I couldn't. I couldn't purchase. So, you know, that's been a real experience with doing all these knives. But it's just been it's been a real experience going from being custom knife maker to a production knife maker, you know, pooling a long term passion with a career.

Bob DeMarco 14:34

Explain the contrast in your mindset as a knife maker, going between custom knife making and then walking into a shop with CNC Mills kind of producing them.

Chris Moss 14:48

Well for me, you know, I've always handmade all of my stuff, I forge it, I grind it, I hand finished it, I hand fit everything. So for me it's a beautiful transition because I can Get a level of precision through the CNC manufacturing, that's very, very difficult to achieve. by hand, you know, you can, you can do the work and you can get that fit and finish. But one of the things that we can get with the CNC is you can achieve that level of fit and finish and perfection straight off of the machine. And that's something that we want to offer to people in a in a way that people can afford it, but also in a way that you can you can produce something that's going to be even better than something that's handmade

Bob DeMarco 15:38

well, so Zach, what's the process like now? I mean, what's what's it like collaborating with Chris and not to put you know, but I mean, it seems like you know, there's there's a yin and yang here there's a there's a left brained engineering side and a right brained artistic side and, and not that not that you don't veer into others. side but it seems like there's an in most partnerships with people I've spoken with each partner brings something unique and that and that sort of differences. What makes it work? Yeah. What's your process? Like?

Zach Thull 16:12

Yeah, so uh, it's, it's really interesting. I love working with Chris, aside from being my business partner is also one of my best friends. His kids call me uncle. So if you look through our social media page, you'll see a whole bunch of different designs, you'll see some, you'll see the one from Ben 10 dick and you'll be see the two from Matt helm. And then anything that's dauntless if it's a beautiful knife by itself. Chris design that if it's blocky and square, generally, I did the work on the or the design work.

Bob DeMarco 16:52

So let me guess Chris designed the camp knife.

Zach Thull 16:54

Yeah, yeah.

Isn't it gorgeous? Holy cow. Beautiful.

I think I was in the garage when he sketchrf that out in about two seconds. And I was like, I felt a little bit hopeless.

Bob DeMarco 17:14

As if you are just the facilitator,

Zach Thull 17:16

right? I'm like, Okay, give me that sketch. I'll go turn it into a CAD drawings.

Thanks, you do more beautiful work.

Chris Moss 17:27

Now Now the thing that you have to remember is that Zach is coming at it from the okay, but we have to make sure that it's functional. And then I say, Yeah, but can we make it look? So, you know, the big the thing that we come back to is dauntless is about function. We're about making tools that people can use, and, and I tend to go too far. You know, I'll go to the, to the extreme of Yeah, but it looks great. And he's like, Yeah, but it just doesn't work

Unknown Speaker 17:59

We had a couple of those didn't quite work, sometimes mine sometimes his, but collaborating. I think one of the things that really, really works well, when we collaborate and when we work together is if you're just listening to this and you don't have any other context or history on Chris or myself, Chris is a journey journeyman machinist. So he's a great machinist. He had his journey mins papers at NASA, and just an exceptional machinist. So when I say something about how something should be machine, it's not lost in any sort or context or anything like that. But whenever it comes to designing something that's designed beautifully, he does an exceptional job at that as well.

Chris Moss 18:45

One of the things that I keep coming back to with the two of us working together is that we have complementing strengths and weaknesses. You know, that there that we can play off of each other, you know, the kind of the kind of team where You're working on something and you're underneath the sink and, and you're reaching for that wrench that you just can't reach, you know, having that kind of teamwork that the other person is handing me the wrench, whether that's a design, whether that's in manufacturing, I can't tell you how many times it's like, Hey, what do you think about this? And, and Zach says, Well, I think that, you know, you could chip should change the step over the 50 thousands and go with the perpendicular to the edge, you know, surfacing pattern. It's like, well, that's great, because I already changed to that.

You know,

Bob DeMarco 19:34

well, that's, it's those collaborative, collaborative arts are collaborative processes. And, you know, you build up a shorthand with those people that you work with over and over and Oh, yeah. And, and you get to know, you know, what the other's strengths are and what the idea is going to be and, and you know how you're both going to approach it. I gotta say, Man, I love that you put a recurve on the camp. people shy away. From the recurve because they assume that everyone's sharpening their knives with big giant, you know, Arkansas stones that are you know, but it's not true. There are a million ways to sharpen a region and and I love them and I think it, it adds to the grace and definitely adds to the utility. So I just thought I'd add that. Chris, did you also design the Harris?

Unknown Speaker 20:27

No, that was that was a that was a true collaboration between myself doing the drawing Zach doing the prototyping actually. And then with will Harris who was saying giving us basically the laundry list of you know, it has to be able to be strong enough to do this. It has to be narrow enough to do this. It has to be sharp enough to do this. You know, it needs to be robust enough that I can break us dear starting with a knife and a rock And we went through that. So I did the actual drawing, but it was it was a collaboration going back and forth between all of us, and that needs to be shorter or wider, give that part a curve. So I did the drawing Zach did the drafting, prototyping. It was it was a true collaboration.

Bob DeMarco 21:21

Well, so how do you? How do you arrive at what your collab who you're going to collaborate with? Or what kind of projects you're interested in? Does it have to do with you and and sort of your agenda as as knife makers and manufacturers? Or is it you know, how do you decide on collaborating?

Unknown Speaker 21:39

At one point in time in the history of dauntless, we thought that this was a very simple quantifiable process, OEM work someone brings you something, you bid it, they go, great, that's a good price. And then you manufactured according to the timeline, and if all goes well deliver on time and under budget. So that's cool for OEM work. And then what we always thought was going to happen with collaborations is we look around we see a knife makers, knife designers that match with our, our process or at least have nice designs that would fit well within our manufacturing process. Maybe we reach out to them, and then you go from there and it's never ever worked out to be that smooth or simple. with Matt, Matt helm, our first collaboration. I've purchased a few knives from Matt, which is, I guess somewhat of an accomplishment. He's a math a really great guy, but he makes about 20 knives a year and all of those go to the who's who of the gun industry in the tactical industry and they end up on magazine covers and All sorts of cool stuff. So, Matt and I. All right, I got a knife from him years ago, we became really good friends and we were talking about his knife availability and civil knife. Matt, you should do a you should do a factory knife. He's like nobody wants a factory Macklemore Matt Helm knife. I was like, I think lots of people do actually. And I so which one would you have us do if we were going to do it? And then we didn't even have the name dauntless at the time. I think it was

Zach Thull 23:33

TNM precision Thull and Moxx. Which ever so original, there's about 20 of those companies out there.

Bob DeMarco 23:41

So anyways, we're cooler. Yeah, so

Zach Thull 23:45

we went through a whole bunch of different names. And

Unknown Speaker 23:48

Chris and I both have a little bit of fascination with Greek and Roman and Latin mythology and dauntless kind of ended up there. Anyways. So we talked to Matt and we ended up at you know, he wanted to know if we'd be interested in doing Persian. Sure. And it turned into a really successful knife design. But then the other, we've talked to a few other knife makers, or designers who've wanted to do collaborations and our straightforward approach, or what we thought was the easy, quantifiable approach didn't always work. People said, we want to design a knife specific for this collaboration, which isn't really what we wanted, or they price their knives at a place that wasn't really tenable for us to license the design from them. And both of us make money or they're already doing stuff very similar in a mid tech fashion or something like that. So the collaboration process hasn't been as simple and straightforward as we thought it was going to be. But it's worked out well. The first collaboration was with Matt the Persian and then the second one was his work knife and the third one was with Ben Tendick and we've got a couple others that we might go into but we haven't quite arrived there yet.

Bob DeMarco 25:13

So my, my personal taste veered towards the tactical traditionally and so I love the Persian the mat Helm person like my pics if I were if I were to pick three right now it would be the Persian it would be the the M three V to the Ben 10 dig banach ground double edge sweet little knife and and I get the camp knife too. I mean like if I were to go in right now and you said okay

Zach Thull 25:44

i mean thankfully that's about half our lineup so

Bob DeMarco 25:49

I'll take the others. Yeah. So tell me about that mad Helm knife. That's one that's that's been kind of hot off the presses recently. Right That's, you've been? I like how I mean from from what I see you offer a lot of different ways to get the knife. Yeah. ways for it to look different coatings you do different coatings on the blade, right? Yeah, yep. Yeah. And and I know you have a number of different really cool handle materials. I love the the burlap the burlap micarta Yeah, yeah, that's my taste but tell me a little bit about making that knife and and what it's inspired by.

Zach Thull 26:29

So the Persian Are you wanting to talk about the Persian or the world

Bob DeMarco 26:33

talking about the non right now I'm talking about the Ben Tendic though the Ben Tendick.

Zach Thull 26:37

Okay. So, uh, Ben is really great knife maker. I've owned at least one of his knives. I don't own it right now. And I have absolutely loved him. I've followed his work. His Japanese wrap ups are just gorgeous. His grades are always perfect. His eye for details. Perfect. And we like I said earlier we had talked to him about a couple different designs just really preliminary stuff. And he sends me a message out of out of the blue one day and says, Hey, what about this one? We had kind of stopped talking or it just stagnated nothing negative. Just a matter of, you know, we were doing other things at the time he sends me messages. What about the trench knife? Oh my god, I love the trench knife. And automatically I start thinking about all the cool things you can do with that design. Because the the design cues from the original knife are so obvious. Right? You have a lot of

you have enough leeway but still retain the the

the inspiration of the blue Yeah, this and so I just I sent Chris a text. I was like, hey, Ben wants to know about the trench night Chris was on board. Right, Chris?

Chris Moss 28:03

That was the one of the first knives I ever bought. Yeah. Was the was actually an old world war two trench knife.

Zach Thull 28:09

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we talked about it. And sometimes we're fortunate enough to get prototypes in hand, and Ben's made these before made them for years now. But we, this wasn't one of those times I asked him if he had one on on hand, and he did, I said, we'll take a picture of it beside a tape measure so I can get scale. And which isn't the best way to do drafting and design 3d work, but I figured we should probably jump on this. I don't know if this is real or not. Because I'm geeking out I'm a nice guy too. And so he took a picture of it. And we started doing the drafting right away. We went back and forth with a couple different small design cues and kicked it off and started working on the prototypes. And away we went. It's a it's done pretty well. So public response has been good to that. Yeah, it's been good. It's been a little bit of more of a slow burner than the Matt Helms. The Mad Helm collaboration have been really explosive and sold out the first run of work knives sold out in

22 hours I want to say and

Bob DeMarco 29:28

might be the double edged a lot of people can't Yeah, yeah, man. Is that where they live legally?

Unknown Speaker 29:33

Yeah. So that's one thing we did is we thought of that. And since trench knives don't always have the top edge sharpened. We offer it as a service so that you can order it with just one and sharpen that. So yeah

Bob DeMarco 29:47

So Chris, how do you what are your inspirations for designing knives where do you reach in history or in in the current knife world, to get inspiration for your designs.

Chris Moss 30:01

A lot of it is just

some of it, it's stuff that I've seen and just thought was really cool. I was I was really influenced by dawn fog, as I was starting to make knives. I it was in the early days of the Internet, and I came across his website, first knife I ever saw with a hormone on it, and it blew my mind. And and I just said that's, I want to do that. So in some ways, it's it's finding something that I think is cool. Looking back at very traditional designs, I like traditional ethnic designs, whether it's Japanese, whether it's Filipino, doing some Parang is doing doing some bigger blades. I really like recurves I like a kukri I like Parang I like I like big nice I've always been a fan of Don Hanson the third. And he's had he's had a big influence on my knife design as far as drop points and recurves and, and things like that.

Bob DeMarco 31:13

Well, I was telling Zack before you signed on, yes, you should do a kukri. I saw a post on Instagram recently. Should we do a kukri about Yes, I think I responded that way to like, if you have to

ask. I'll tell you, yes!

Unknown Speaker 31:28

And we actually I've actually gotten to use a couple genuine to Greece. A couple of them actually in Nepal. That it's just it's a phenomenal design. You know, like you were saying with the with the recurve a lot of people are scared of them because they're worried that they won't be able to resharpen them but man the benefit of that recurve and getting that that that that cutting point in their exact right place, which again harkens back to our function of the tool and being able to quantify Is this a better tool because of the way we design it? And we try and say yes to everything that we make, you know, like with the Harris it is quantifiably, one of the best designed general purpose hunting deer hunting knives on the market in my opinion. You know, the the camp knife is a great medium size chopper to be able to do a multitude of things. You know, we were will function driven but I have a passion for for those designs.

Bob DeMarco 32:30

Yeah, that I mean that camp knife it looks like it could definitely flex into a lot of good. It looks like it could be a great combat knife. Not that I've been in combat, but it does. It looks like it could go in a lot of different directions. In terms of its utility, you know,

Chris Moss 32:48

it was it was actually designed originally on we had a guy who reached out and said hey, do you have anything that's you know, in the niche for, you know, a sniper building a sniper hide? Got a knife that's got to be big enough to do, you know, to clear brush to build a high to be able to do everything but also be small enough that it's manageable that he can pack it in. And we said, No, we don't but we have it in the works. And by that we met by that was like, we were texting me furiously. I think we were actually

Zach Thull 33:21

I think we were standing around in the garage drinking a glass of bourbon. And yeah, he It was no we came into the garage like two days later. We turned that project around from the initial Hey, do you guys have something like this to sending him a finished prototype? in nine days? That's bad. And it was

Bob DeMarco 33:43

That's awesome.

Zach Thull 33:46

I can't remember.

I think we bought the steel the 5164 or something else.

Chris Moss 33:53

I had it in stock because I had made a couple big chompers. Yeah, the big bolo. chomper

Zach Thull 33:58

were like, Oh, we have This quarter inch thick 5160 we should definitely make it out of that.

Bob DeMarco 34:04

I love how you leave the some of the mill marks on the on the bevels of the blades. I know that's that's a that's an aesthetic detail. But to me it's a it adds something

it adds to it.

Chris Moss 34:19

It's It's It's actually partially a functional choice. Some of it is a manufacturing choice in being able to get complex curves more like a recurve or a really wide profile on something. But it actually reduces cutting drag, because you're getting a less surface that's touching the edge like on a sand to where you have the relief cuts in it. You actually get less drag on the blade, but there's a lot of people that leave those middle surface lines in but they're parallel to the edge, which means that you get are kind of defeats the purpose.

Yeah, it looks nice though.

Bob DeMarco 34:59

Yeah, it looks But it might grab on to material. Whereas when you have them perpendicular to that, yeah, it slides up. It's like a santoku, you were saying santoku or a Japanese chef's knife that has that scallops on the side. And you cut into something like a cucumber and it falls away because there's not so much surface tension. there that is I didn't even think of that. I was thinking of course, I'm always thinking about looks first, you know, just look so cool. And yeah, but I see I see how that has a real worlds slice. Okay, so Chris, I can't help but I can't. I would be remiss if I didn't stop at you're mentioned of Filipino knives in your and your appreciation of ethnographic knives and weapons. But to me I have a special love for Filipino blades. Have you thought about doing anything in that realm? For dauntless?

Chris Moss 35:54

Honestly, right now, it's it's definitely in in the realm of possible. Right now we're really trying to flesh out our lineup. We're kind of keeping the bills paid with between the OEM work and our production line. Really trying to offer a range of things, I would love to see a Filipino blade. That's a tool in people's hands. I mean, those blades were originally designed as tools. But the big thing is, you know, as much as I would love to go out there and make swords every day, he very few people are going to strap a sword of their back and take him to work. Which is where the Persian and the word nice and the Harris and things like that come in where you've got to kind of have that bread and butter to be able to have stuff that people are actually getting us through. Right, right. Tell me, I would love to.

Bob DeMarco 36:49

Well, when you do

Zach Thull 36:55

I want to say I'm completely supportive of this, by the way.

Bob DeMarco 36:58

Well, okay, all right. So My idea would be you could split the difference between sword and and work knife and make a small tally bond. Because Because to me, those are the those those are the most like knife like swords that they that they have. And you get you get that great angle of the handle of the blade to me that just a sucker for that. But I wanted to ask you what was the inspiration for the UB k describe that for listeners if they don't know? And and tell me how that came about. It's so cool.

Zach Thull 37:33

So I'll take this one.

Unknown Speaker 37:37

I'm pretty sure that went something like this. Hey, Chris, what would happen if we put a utility knife and occur ambit and he's like what would it look like? And about an hour later I sent him a rendering. And he said that's awesome. Let's do it and I sent it to a couple other friends and they were all like Obi Wan and we We're a little bit light on projects at the time.

Zach Thull 38:04

We, we jumped into it we made 100 of them they are

Bob DeMarco 38:08

so cool. They're so cool.

So are they are they right now in the in warehouses across the nation, like I literally slashing open boxes.

Zach Thull 38:18

You know, I we get a really wide range of, of feedback on what they are and where they're doing. A good friend of mine he gave one to his 10 year old and his 10 year old carries it religiously in place of Swiss Army knife. I have one of our customers installs carpeting and flooring on military bases and you can't carry anything that's remotely close to looking like a weapon carries you BK all the time. They're in warehouses. It's a it's a really for the tradesmen at which obviously Chris and I being machinists, we we have that understanding of what tradesmen go through every day, we're looking for something that's just as at home on his tool belt as it is, you know, hanging off a chest rig somewhere. And for the most part, those have ended up in all of those places and and more.

Bob DeMarco 39:17

So And what about the modular knife and describe that to that was also an interesting project that thing.

Zach Thull 39:22

So that one was, see what was it? We were making something

Chris Moss 39:29

we were making the Persian and we had an odd drop.

Zach Thull 39:31

Oh yeah, we had we had a chunk of D two that was quarter inch thick, and it was triangular shape like two and a half inches long and inch and a half wide. And, and we talked about what we were going to do with 100 or 120 of these pieces of D two. And so we just sat there and we sketched, what's going to fit inside that. And we said well, we can't make a full tang knife out of it. It's just not and we're not into making It's going to take a lot for you to ever see a bottle opener on our website for that way, and so, or at least not one that's designed first as that. And so we went around and around and around about what's going to fit inside that drop. And the first, the Caribbean style blade is what we figured out fit. And I made some prototypes, and we actually made a bunch of prototypes, probably too many. And Chris designed a bunch of handles, I designed a couple different handles the idea being, you know, a small, small blade that you could have recurve or a straight edge or a scalpel style or Korean but style. And then you could interchange a handle from a protocol to a kurama to a utility knife to you know, a more curved bulb style protocol. So we we drew up a whole bunch of those, what we quite quickly figured out as well, it's a really neat concept, you're gonna have to develop the whole ecosystem all at once. And so we put it on the back burner because of the amount of the amount of time investment that it's going to take to get there. So it's still there. We haven't sold any Much to the chagrin of a bunch of people who have said they want all of them.

Bob DeMarco 41:21

I'm one of those people now.

Zach Thull 41:23

But the whole point was, you know, we want to make

Unknown Speaker 41:28

because we're in manufacturing, we want to make tools that if you took one of our work knives from the very first run, or one of the very first Harris's it would fit perfectly in the sheath of the one that came off the line, you know, a few weeks ago, and you could interchange handles. Yeah, all of our handles in which interchange, everything goes from one knife to another's. There's very few. I think we have some of our early Persian sheets or early work knife sheets. That might not work because We change the plans or something like that, but for the most part everything interchanges and that's the same concept with with the modular knife is we wanted all the blades to go with all the handles, you know, we wanted all the sheets to work with each other and so on and so far

Bob DeMarco 42:15

see to me when I was just tuning into you guys then when you were putting those up on Instagram kind of proof of concept or whatever and to me I I saw those as

what I want to say like showing off your prowess basically, your design and engineering prowess is kind of like check this out. We can do this or you can put this down or and you know, obviously it fits all snugly and perfectly together. I was like okay, these guys are these guys are showing the world what they're made of and let's and literally

Unknown Speaker 42:44

you know, we had a 20 something year old CNC machine from Craigslist, making all those parts

Bob DeMarco 42:50

that you got while you're looking for a stroller and

whatever else you get on Craigslist

Zach Thull 42:56

Right. We're just happy we didn't get robbed

Bob DeMarco 43:01

So what do you have coming up in the future? Like what's what do you see as the future of dauntless? Where Where does this company go from here?

Zach Thull 43:09

So I know it might not sound like this but we're we're not strictly a knife company where we are a manufacturing and a development company. And to some people, we're a consulting company we've we have some really good relationships with people that we've helped buy their first CNC machine, install it, we've helped them through their programming and their effects, fixture development and all these other cool things. So we we continue to do consulting, you'll see a lot more varied product projects from us. So over the next couple months, it looks like our our dauntless branded knives are going to take a backseat to some OEM projects. We're doing the sea monkey knife for bush monkey knives. So we'll be making that First run in the next six weeks and a couple other ones, where we're making people's knives and products for them. So over the next couple of months, it's going to be a whole bunch of OEM work. You won't see a whole lot of whole lot of hardware coming through our shop. But we've got some r&d projects in line outside of the knife industry. And then a whole bunch more collaborations. We've got another Helm that we're hoping to kick off soon. And this is the first I've said this out loud in public so so we're working on another home design. We've talked to Ben 10 dick about another one of his designs, I would love to do a modern take on one of his tantos I think it would just be gorgeous with interchangeable handles and you know, a peel ply handles on a traditional line Tonto would be awesome to me. Yeah, that's just me talking. Yeah. And it's

Bob DeMarco 45:03

hard to get. It's hard to get enough tanto in my life,

I love them

and I, I love you know, I love all of their variations and such.

Zach Thull 45:15

Chris has made me a few knives. One big chopper. It's absolutely gorgeous. And two, beautiful Toronto's that are like, my favorite thing in the entire world.

So, every time someone's like, we should do a Tonto I'm like, Yes, we should. Yes. So

Bob DeMarco 45:34

we should. So Chris, what about you coming up like how, what's as a knife maker? What do you have in the offing that you want to work on? You know, even if it's a fantasy and you can't get to it to it for another year because of, of your responsibilities.

Chris Moss 45:51

Well, honestly, the biggest push for me right now is is is getting the OEM workout so we can get Zach on full time. For me, that's, that's my goal for this year. And I want to see I want to see that. Let's be a duo again. For me a lot of it's just daily grind, you know, I go out I program I quote, I draft. I set up machines, run machines, you know, some fun stuff. Did a you know a non metallic design today? That was, you know, turned out really fun. Got to stab a bunch of boxes. So there's there's

Bob DeMarco 46:31

non metallic don't just don't just breeze over that.

Chris Moss 46:38

It's actually a design we worked with with Minuteman Defense,

Unknown Speaker 46:43

yeah, Skyler. Skyler from Minuteman defense, awesome holsters. If anyone out there needs that's holsters or custom sheets. Talk to Skyler. If you guys ever look at our Instagram, you'll see that we take a lot of pride in our in our card Kydex, our vacuum performing that we do all there's only one exception we have our our Harris sheets made by Skylar, and which, for people that pride themselves on making their own stuff. I hope that's a big enough compliment for Skylar and the level of work that he does. So yeah, he had non metallic, the G 10. You can explain a little bit better Chris you made it.

Chris Moss 47:25

It's it's a kind of a cross between

a standard dagger and a push dagger, but it's made out of 10. So it's non metallic. It's not corrosive. It's kind of a last ditch situation but it's again surface like we do. So you end up getting a kind of a scallop serrated edge on the whole it's it's really nasty. I mean, it's nasty. So you know, some of that stuff is you know, your daily grind you get into fun stuff where I'm getting first products off the line and being able to see new products for the First time testing,

I still do some custom work, you know, one of my time off on the weekends, when I'm not taking care of my health and my wife take care of the kids.

But for me, honestly, the big thing is is pushing. I really trying to push to be able to get Zach some room to be able to express his creativity and be able to push some non knife products. I love working on knives. But again, like Zack said, we didn't really start the business as a knife company. We started it as a development company. And you know, our first job was with Matt helm. And then after people saw that, they said, Hey, can you do that for me? So it's really just pushed off into the knife realm, but we'd like to be able to experiment out in some segments fashion.

Zach is designing a lot of neckties. Oh lovely.

Unknown Speaker 49:01

We'd like to be able to get into some, some some, some much finer development, we'd like to be able to get back into firearms. And honestly, we just absolutely love working with other passionate people in the industry to be able to help them achieve their dreams. There is nobody who cares about your product more than you do. And there's a lot of people out there who have the desire to be able to, to bring that stuff in house to be able to say, you know what, no one's going to do this better than I do. But I don't know the difference between a narco or, or a hos or in a coma, I don't know where to start. So being able to work with people like that and be able to say, okay, you need this is the machine you need to get will do the programming will do the fixturing. Working with people who are not machinist to need a system to be able to, to get their product that where they want it to be and let them just absolutely expand. So I'm really I'm hoping for some some some work like that. And oh yeah. this keeps the doors Oh.

Bob DeMarco 50:06

So how do people find you? How do people find dauntless? manufacturing your products and everything else the company has to offer.

Chris Moss 50:15

My number is

Bob DeMarco 50:17

better, best best place to find your work Instagram?

Unknown Speaker 50:22

Instagrams where you'll see the most visual. That's that's been a really good way of communicating with our customer base. And our and our business partners. It's worked really well. We have a Facebook page but as a lot of people in this industry are finding out the algorithms for both Instagram and Facebook aren't very friendly. So the the Facebook page hasn't been super, super helpful for us. And then our website is dauntless MFG dot com,

Chris Moss 50:52

which we're, we're working on expanding out. It's it's pretty slim right now. So if you type in dauntless MFG, and you're like Where is it? You're there?

Bob DeMarco 51:02

There's enough there to bite into.

Zach Thull 51:04

And if you've ever wanted to see what a website looks like when it's built by two machinists who have never built a website before, that's exactly what you'll find there.

Bob DeMarco 51:16

Well, Zach and Chris of dauntless manufacturing thanks so much for coming on The Knife Junkie podcast. It's a pleasure talking about your manufacturing company, your backgrounds and your love of knives. Thanks for coming on, guys.

Zach Thull 51:26

Absolutely, absolutely.

Chris Moss 51:27

Thank you very much for having us.

Bob DeMarco 51:29

All right. Take care.

Chris Moss 51:30

Take care.

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Jim Person 51:41

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Bob DeMarco 51:51

You know, it made me think actually it made me think of something. My wife and I talk about it's like, together we are one sane individual for the family. Apart we're lacking and these two guys I'm not going to say apart they're lacking but they really seem to bring complimentary instincts to this enterprise you know you have Zack who's got a real hardcore engineers and machine is mine and you have Chris who also has a serious background in machining but has more of a right brained artistic bent. So they're like a brain a left and a right side and and i think i keep finding over and over that kind of contrast is maybe not essential but magic when, when coming up with a creative creative product

Jim Person 52:40

just makes the partnership so much better when you have complementary skills, or you know, if both of you are the skilled at the same thing, you know, you're not as strong but if if you, you know, bring three skills and the other guy brings three skills, you know, you've got six so yeah, it makes it a much stronger partnership and a better better And in a better collaboration, if you want to find dauntless manufacturing there at dauntless MFG calm. And they're down in asheboro, North Carolina so that's dauntless MFG comm also find them on Instagram. I think they said that's kind of the best place to find them and maybe even some extra special stuff goes on Instagram that you don't find anywhere else.

Bob DeMarco 53:21

Yeah, it's really cool watching them. prototyping, you can, you can watch this all through Instagram and watch them prototyping a product. And then going into the small batch production modes. And just seeing multiples of knives that I love is just It is such a cool site. I really look forward to seeing what they what they do in the future, and I love what they're doing right now.

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