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A weekly conversation between writers Dolly Alderton and Pandora Sykes, that covers highbrow and lowbrow culture.

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Cottagecore, Covidism & Other Lockdown Theories; Plus, An Author Special with Samantha Irby

Today we discuss the surprising lockdown sales boom, an animal fact and a few new pandemic lifestyle theories. Just another episode of The High Low, then.We also ring up Samatha Irby in Kalamazoo, Michigan, to discuss her hilarious new essay collection (a joy for anxiety-ridden times) wow, no thank you. E-mail thehighlowshow@gmail.comTweet @thehighlowshowShop at www.thehighlowshop.com - 100% of profits go to charity (currently Women's Aid and the COVID-19 NHS Urgent Appeal)Linkswow, no thank you, by Samantha Irby - out nowI've craved a slower pace of life - and want to make it permanent, a Dear Mariella column for The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/may/10/i-have-craved-a-slower-pace-of-life-and-want-to-make-it-permanent-mariella-frostrupThe lockdown dick margin, by Lauren Bravo for Refinery29 https://www.refinery29.com/en-gb/bad-temper-lockdownThe buzz of big cities is losing out to cottagecore, by India Knight for The Sunday Times https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-what-is-the-point-of-cities-with-no-buzz-h532fgnjdMy sister died of coronavirus. She needed care, but her life was not disposable. By Rory Kinnear for The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/12/rory-kinnearsister-protect-vulnerable-coronavirus-rory-kinnearThings need me, by Charles Simic https://www.instagram.com/p/B_-gZk4jkFP/?igshid=cerd2jisw0n4As isolation drags on, I've found myself wanting to be a friend to myself, by Emma Jane Unsworth for Grazia, issue published May 5thTayari Jones on Open Book https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/books-and-authors/id331296649?i=1000474155261Cate Blanchett on WTF https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/wtf-with-marc-maron-podcast/id329875043?i=1000474214665Laura Marling on The Adam Buxton podcast https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-adam-buxton-podcast/id1040481893?i=1000474168608Steve Martin on Fresh Air https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/fresh-air/id214089682?i=1000474020262Run, on Sky Atlantic and Now TVSee acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

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12 May 2020

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What 'Cat Person' Tells Us About Female Pleasure. Plus Which Social Media Platform Is The Most Dangerous?

Pandora's been moving house and Dolly's been hosting Pretendmas (don't ask; she'll tell you all about it anyway) but there are still plenty of water cooler topics to discuss this week. From some brilliant pieces of journalism (including a heart-breaking piece by Empire Editor Terri White on the vital role a woman's refuge played in both her own childhood and in British society as a whole) to plenty of podcast recommendations from the ultimate podcat, Dolly, this week we discuss 'Cat Person', the New Yorker short story that went viral - and what this piece of fiction tells us about modern relationships; toxic masculinity; bad sex and female pleasure. We also play you an excerpt of the shocking and riveting speech given by former Facebook VP Chamath Palihapitiya at Stanford University, on how Facebook is ripping society apart. In light of this and plenty of other disclaimers from both former and present tech execs, we discuss the dangers of social media in both a personal and a social context. From the richest (first world FOMO caused by your Instagram feed) to the poorest (Whatsapp hoax that caused violence in a rural Indian village), we are all affected by social media in its myriad forms.What we are reading, watching and listening to:A Woman's Refuge Saved My Family, by Terri White for The Pool https://www.the-pool.com/life/life-honestly/2017/49/Terri-White-on-the-funding-crisis-hitting-women-s-refugesI Made My Shed The Top Rated Restaurant on Trip Advisor, by Oobah Butler for VICE https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/434gqw/i-made-my-shed-the-top-rated-restaurant-on-tripadvisorThe People vs O.J.Simpson: American Crime Story, on Netflix https://www.netflix.com/gb/title/80083977'Cat Person' - a short story, by Kristen Roupenian for The New Yorker https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/12/11/cat-personFallout, by Sadie Jones https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fallout-Sadie-Jones/dp/0701188502Ladybird directed by Greta Gerwig: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNi_HC839WoCariad Lloyd's Griefcast with Adam Buxton: https://www.acast.com/griefcast/episode-1---adam-buxtonJames Franco on WTF: http://www.wtfpod.com/podcast/episode-870-james-francoCariad Lloyd's Made of Human with Jo Brand: http://mohpod.libsyn.com/31-jo-brand-i-was-surprised-the-heroin-addict-was-unfaithful Felicity Morse on Cat Person for The Debrief: https://thedebrief.co.uk/news/real-life/cat-person-short-story-new-yorker-consent/ Amy Jones on Cat Person for The...  See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

1hr 4mins

13 Dec 2017

Rank #2

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The Duchess of Cambridge’s Problematic Post-Partum Money Shot; & Is Millie Bobby Brown Too Young for Time’s 100 list?

The Duchess of Cambridge gave birth to another baby prince, but all anyone’s talking about is that bouncy blow dry, that red dress and those heels - a mere 7 hours after she gave birth. Is this glamorous portrayal of new motherhood doing a disservice to mothers and the trauma of birth? Why is it an inevitable part of Kate’s role as a princess? And could it in fact be a form of protection?Also today: we discuss Millie Bobby Brown’s inclusion on Time’s 100 Most Influential List. The 14 year old actor has over 16 million Instagram followers and is currently producing her first film. Is she too young for such adulation? You can email us thehighlowshow@gmail.com or tweet us @thehighlowshow. Links:- Lovesick on Netflix https://www.netflix.com/gb/title/80041601 - The Week Unwrapped, hosted by Olly Mannhttps://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-week-unwrapped-with-olly-mann/id1185494669?mt=2&i=1000409321265- When Beauty Is A Troll, by Megan Garber for The Atlantic https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/558467/- The Rise of Beauty-Standard Denialism, by Amanda Hess for The New York Timeshttps://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/23/movies/i-feel-pretty-amy-schumer-beauty.amp.html- Heartburn, by Nora Ephron with an introduction by the authorhttps://www.amazon.co.uk/Heartburn-Virago-Modern-Classics-Ephron/dp/0349010358/ref=nodl_- Cariad Lloyd on The Adam Buxton podcasthttps://m.soundcloud.com/adam-buxton/ep73-cariad-lloyd- No woman should have to pose post-birth, by Sali Hughes for The Pool https://www.the-pool.com/health/wombs-etc/2018/17/sali-hughes-on-kate-middleton-post-birth-scrutinySee acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

57mins

25 Apr 2018

Rank #3

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The App That ‘Strips’ Women of Their Make-up; and Boris Johnson’s Comments on Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe

No singing this week courtesy of Louis Theroux, but three different accents from Pandora in compensation. This week on The High Low, we discuss Boris Johnson’s buffoonery - and when being a dotard can put another woman’s life in danger. Our hearts go out to Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe, 19 months into a 5 year sentence in Iran. As Boris (finally) meets Nazanin’s husband, Richard, we discuss the Foreign Secretary and why we struggle to understand the seeming impotence of the government in scenarios such as these.Also today, the controversial new app, MakeApp, which leaves women ‘barefaced’. Dolly think it’s misogynistic; Pandora thinks it’s yet another example of tech working against cultural psychology and the greater good. BTW Pandora did it and Dolly thought she looked better than normal, so, that’s interesting.And Pandora busts the myth of tumeric lattes with the help of registered dietician Rosie Saunt.Fun fact to (slightly) bum you out: Amazon have revealed that Fifty Shades of Grey is the No1 downloaded book on Kindle, of all time.DO SUMMINK GOOD TODAY: buy a pin from The Pin Project and support refugees, returnees and people displaced by warhttps://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1541394380/the-pin-projectBUY YOURSELF A TREAT: if you liked our The High Low pyjamas, you can buy your own pair of Poplin London pyjamas with neon pink piping, at poplin-london.co.uk with 20% off when you enter thehighlow at checkout.WATCHINGLouis Theroux documentaries on anorexia, and heroin, on BBC iPlayerhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b09d5nk2/louis-theroux-talking-to-anorexiahttps://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0991fsb/louis-theroux-dark-states-1-heroin-townMotherland, on BBC iPlayerhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p05j1k3t/motherland-series-1-episode-1READINGEverything I Never Told You, by Celeste Nghttps://www.amazon.co.uk/Everything-I-Never-Told-You/dp/0349134286A Different Kind of Pregnancy Announcement, by Leandra Medine for Man Repellerhttps://www.manrepeller.com/2017/11/leandra-medine-pregnant.htmlHow The Myth of The Artistic Genius Excuses The Abuse of Women, by Amanda Hess for The New York Timeshttps://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/10/arts/sexual-harassment-art-hollywood.htmlOut of Time by Miranda Sawyer: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Out-Time-Miranda-Sawyer/dp/0007521073The Cult of Boris Johnson by Grace Dent: See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

57mins

15 Nov 2017

Rank #4

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Corporate Egg-Freezing - And Whether Taylor Swift Is A Billboard for Trumpian Values

Thank you to everyone who enjoyed our special episode with Tina Brown last week - we had a huge response. We miss her already <3This week in the Tina-free studio, we discuss whether corporations offering to pay for women to freeze their eggs - as happening in America and soon, Australia - is a generous health benefit, or a patriarchal attempt to stave off motherhood. Shouldn’t we improve conditions and parity for working mothers (subsidised nurseries, better paternity leave, flexi-hours) first?Also in this week’s episode: Taylor Swift has been accused of espousing Trumpian values, with her white feminism and political silence. We draw on several brilliant pop-culture writers, to discuss whether this theory has any value. We cannot help but wonder, in that Carrie Bradshaw way: when did it become possible for a popstar to just be, well, a popstar? Now, they must be a symbol, an icon, a vessel and a plate. As Greta Gerwig says on Fresh Air, when quizzed why she worked with Woody Allen - women are just terrified of saying the wrong thing and getting it wrong. Tiring, huh.Nuggets from The Top Line include the revelation that salted caramel is comparable to heroin; Christmas dinners are more expensive than ever before; and, devastatingly, that a third of women’s refuges are under threat of closure in the UK.There’s a slew of podcast episode, series, articles and exhibition recommendations this week - links all below - and in the run up to Christmas, a few requests:Who will help Pandora find a Father Christmas jumper, complete with patent belt, to spread across her pudding-like paunch?And, Adam Buxton, when will you come on our podcast?You can e-mail us thehighlowshow@gmail.com or tweet us @thehighlowshow.Reading/ watching/ viewing & listening this week:Laura Freeman on Modigliani for The Sunday Times Culture mag https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/art-review-amedeo-modigliani-nudes-tate-modern-mfn8mkvp2Book tickets to Modigliani at The Tate Modern http://www.tate.org.uk/whats-on/tate-modern/exhibition/modiglianiWatch The Sinner, on Netflix https://www.netflix.com/title/80175802Hadley Freeman on why feminist theory didn’t cure her anorexia, for The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/nov/25/wasnt-feminist-theory-cured-anorexiaEva Wiseman interviews Little Mix for The Observer mag https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/nov/26/little-mix-interview-new-album-we-embrace-who-we-are-not-perfectDorian Lynskey on Taylor Swift for GQ mag (December issue, on sale now)Taylor Swift: An Envoy for Trump’s Values? By anon for The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/24/the-guardian-view-on-taylor-swift-an-envoy-for-trumps-valuesGreta Gerwig on Fresh Air: See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

57mins

29 Nov 2017

Rank #5

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Fyre Festival, Sex Education & A Bumper Book Chat

We’re back! Have you missed us? Dolly’s tits-deep in her Everything I Know About Love tour (buy tickets here: faneproductions.com/dolly and the paperback is out now) and Pandora’s essay, The Authentic Lie, for independent crowd-funding publisher, The Pound Project, is now open for pledging. Buy in online or mini book form, here! (Plus, there’s a foreword by Elizabeth Day.) https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/poundproject/the-pound-project-part-four-pandora-sykesThis week we discuss everything we’ve been enjoying since Christmas - what we’ve been watching, listening to and reading (a lot.) It’s all listed below. Sign the The High Low’s sub-editor and freelance journalist Anna Codrea Rado’s brilliant open letter to the media, to secure #FairPayForFreelancers http://bit.ly/fairpayforfreelancers. Donate to help The Pool's staff and freelancers get paid: https://www.gofundme.com/help-the-pool-staff-and-freelancers-get-paid?pc=&rcid=r01-154905562015-fce176adade44eb7 E-mail thehighlowshow@gmail.comTweet us @thehighlowshow Books Notes To Self, by Emilie Pine Ordinary People, by Diana EvansAll That Man Is, by David SzalayBecoming, by Michelle ObamaDuped, by Abby EllinThe Tattooist of Auschwitz, by Heather MorrisOnce More We Saw Stars, by Jayson GreeneVox, by Christina DalcherSmall Great Things, by Jodi PicoultA Spark of Light, by Jodi PicoultMy Year or Rest and Relaxation, by Odessa Moshfegh Swan Song, by Kelleigh Greenberg-JephcottBottled Goods, by Sophie van LlewynPutney, by Sofka ZinovieffInstead of a Letter, by Diana Athill The Orange, by Wendy Cope Watching & ListeningBros: After The Screaming Stops, available on BBC iPlayerOrigins With James Andrew Miller, on Sex And The City Bohemian Rhapsody, at cinemas nowThe Favourite, at cinemas nowMary Poppins Returns, at cinemas now Emily Blunt, interviewed on Fresh Air Alison Janney, on WTFSex Education, on Netflix nowFyre: The Greatest Party That Never Happened, on Netflix now Wendy Cope, on Desert Island DiscsDiana Athill, on Desert Island Discs Journalism Lauren Bravo for foodism https://foodism.co.uk/features/long-reads/romantic-food-myths-and-realities/ The World of Nora Ephron: a reading list https://foodism.co.uk/features/long-reads/romantic-food-myths-and-realities/ The Ten best life mantras of Diana Athill: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/10-best-life-mantras-brilliant-author-diana-athill/ Diana Athill interviewed for The Lenny Letter: https://www.lennyletter.com/story/diana-athill-interviewDolly's songs about places playlist - See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

1hr 30mins

5 Feb 2019

Rank #6

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Why Mental Health Is Nothing To Do With Wellness, with Author Bella Mackie

We talk perineum sunning, Christmas tree erection, global idioms and polygraphs. And we host the journalist and author of Jog On: How Running Saved My Life and The Jog On Journal, Bella Mackie, to discuss mental health, running and why it's nothing to do with wellness or personal bests, divorce before the age of 30 and what the media gets wrong about mental health. E-mail thehighlowshow@gmail.comTweet @thehighlowshowLinksJog On: How Running Saved My Life, by Bella MackieThe Jog on Journal, by Bella MackieBeing Single at 30, by Bella Mackie for British Vogue https://www.vogue.co.uk/article/being-single-at-30-a-vogue-memoirHow I Found My Wedding Dress (For The Second Time), by Bella Mackie for British Vogue https://www.vogue.co.uk/article/how-i-chose-the-dress-for-my-second-weddingIn the Dream House, by Carmen Maria MachadoWhen I Hit You, by Meena KandasamyBikram: Yogi, Guru, Predator, on Netflix https://www.netflix.com/title/80221584David Merritt on the death of his son, Jack Merritt, for The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/02/jack-merritt-london-bridge-attack-dave-merritFor Desire, by Kim Addonizio http://pureapplesauce.blogspot.com/2009/01/for-desire-kim-addonizio.html Derren Brown on The Adam Buxton podcast https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/ep-110-derren-brown/id1040481893?i=1000457582733See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

1hr 15mins

3 Dec 2019

Rank #7

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Was James Corden Wrong To Joke About Harvey Weinstein?; And Are YOU Suffering From Culture Overload? 

It’s our first ever live podcast! This week The High Low is brought to you live from tibits, a vegetarian restaurant in Mayfair, where we recorded the episode on Monday 16th October. Thanks to everyone who came and latterly stuffed their faces with the food boat.This week we discuss Hollywood in the aftermath of Harvey Weinstein’s downfall - and, specifically, James Corden’s controversial jokes about Weinstein at the AmFar Gala. Was Corden speaking out of turn; or have we begun to censor the role of the comic too much?Also on this week’s agenda is culture overload, after we read a brilliant piece in November’s issue of British Esquire by the Culture Editor, Miranda Collinge, who returned from holiday to find 81 books on her desk. Yes, 81. Are you mired in podcasts, not knowing which way to turn; being buried alive by the pile of books by your bedside table, unsure which to start fast; feeling the impending doom of a boxset binge, knowing that as soon as you finish this series, there’s another that just HAS to be read? And what if you read/watch/listen to the wrong thing. What do you do THEN? We discuss making your own culture agenda and consuming the culture that resonates with you, not your Twitter/Instagram timeline.Highlights from The Top Line: diet avocados (for god’s sake), the man who changed his middle name to Yorkshire Tea and why Ivana Trump is, in her own words, the real First Lady.You can e-mail us @thehighlowshow - short of tattooing her tits, Pandora isn’t sure where else to put this e-mail address - and tweet us @thehighlowshow. Don’t forget to rate, review and subscribe on iTunes!READING/ LISTENINGNothing to Envy by Barbara DemickMarina O’Loughlin's first restaurant review for The Sunday Times - Dolly can provide linkGrace Dent for The Independent on James Corden’s jokes about Harvey Weinstein - Dolly can provide linkLINKS:http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/james-corden-harvey-weinstein-women-can-joke-but-you-cant-a8002926.htmlhttps://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/table-talk-our-new-restaurant-critic-marina-oloughlin-on-the-biting-wit-of-her-predecessor-the-late-aa-gill-k3djnc930Laura Snapes for The Dolly Mail: http://us14.campaign-archive2.com/?u=d694237eb6ca85f6f4c7d854b&id=e1fc988477See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

1hr 13mins

17 Oct 2017

Rank #8

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Ding Dong The Hef Is Dead - The Legacy of Playboy; And The Death Of The Celebrity Interview

In the wake of pyjama-clad Hugh Hefner’s demise, we discuss the legacy of Playboy and its nuances - and why viewing an empire created 64 years ago solely through the lense of modern feminism can be problematic. A must-read, incidentally, is Gloria Steinem’s The Bunny’s Tale. Also in today’s episode, we discuss the demise of the celebrity interview. Are authentic journalistic profiles destined to become mere relics, in place of publicist-approved puff pieces? We can but wonder. ***** BIG NEWS: You can now book a ticket to the first ever* live* episode of The High Low! We’ll be doing a live show 6.30-8.30pm at tibits in Mayfair, on Monday 16th October and 20% of all proceeds go to Women for Women International. Click the link below to book a ticket to the live record: https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/the-high-low-live-recording-at-tibits-heddon-street-tickets-38531176787 Find out about more Women for Women International https://www.womenforwomen.org.uk/ ***** What we’ve been listening to/ watching The Longform podcast (Dolly recommends the eps with Lena Dunham, Ariel Levy, Emily Nussbaum, David Remnick, Jon Ronson, Elizabeth Gilbert and Taffy Drodesser-Akner) https://longform.org Fresh Air podcast with Hilary Clinton http://www.npr.org/programs/fresh-air/2017/09/18/551812328/fresh-air-for-sept-18-2017-hillary-clinton WTF podcast with Barack Obama http://www.wtfpod.com/podcast/episodes/episode_613_-_president_barack_obama ***** What we’re been reading Standard Deviation by Katherine Heiny https://www.amazon.co.uk/Standard-Deviation-Katherine-Heiny/dp/0008105529/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1507046125&sr=1-1&keywords=standard+deviation Mount by Jilly Cooper https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mount-Jilly-Cooper/dp/0593072901 I’ll Eat When I’m Dead by Barbara Borland https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ill-Eat-When-Im-Dead/dp/1784298565/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1507060568&sr=1-1&keywords=i%27ll+eat+when+i%27m+dead Sour Heart by Jenny Zhang https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sour-Heart-Jenny-Zhang/dp/1408892413/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1507046030&sr=8-1&keywords=sour+heart Interview with France’s Secretary for Equality, Marlène Schiappa, in The Sunday Times magazine https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/marlene-schiappa-vive-la-revolution-67xq9bhd9 1968 Rolling Stone interview with Richie Havens http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/richie-havens-in-1968-the-direction-for-my-music-is-heaven-19680720 A Bunny’s Tale by Gloria Steinem http://dlib.nyu.edu/undercover/sites/default/files/documents/uploads/editors/Show-A%20Bunny%27s%20Tale-Part%20One-May%201963.pdf The Death of a Playmate by Teresa Carpenter http://reprints.longform.org/death-of-a-playmate My Playboy Mansion meeting with Hugh Hefner, Mr Sticky Fingers by Camilla Long https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/my-playboy-mansion-meeting-with-hugh-hefner-mr-sticky-fingers-rss3wwdmz How BBC Star Clare Balding stole my byline, by Ginny Dougray https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/sep/30/celebrity-interview-bullying-behaviour-balding-saga See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

55mins

3 Oct 2017

Rank #9

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Women’s unconscious bias towards other women; and Kim Kardashian’s cultural appropriation

Kim Kardashian is making all kinds of headlines this week; not because her new baby boy, Chicago, arrived via surrogacy - but because she’s sharing dozens of pics of herself in the nuddy with what she has called ‘Bo Derek’ braids aka: cornrows or Fulani braids. We discuss the knotty issue of cultural appropriation, how it exists within fashion and beauty and speak to Sharmadean Reid, the founder of WAH Nails and Beauty Stack, on why she isn’t offended by Kim’s appropriation of a black hairstyle - but how offence is not a blanket thing. How can and should we navigate the nuances?Also today, we discuss Trump’s assertion that he isn’t a feminist (snore), why the world’s gone mad for Tupperware (and why no-one has written about this?) and the brilliant Radio 4 show that had us both wincing: are women sexist towards other women? Before you shake your head - take a listen (link in the show notes.) We plunge deep into our unconscious bias and try to be as honest as possible.A note from Pandora (who writes these bios, because Dolly’s skills lie, let’s say, elsewhere): Dolly’s book, Everything I Know About Love, published by Penguin, is out today. GO BUY IT! https://www.amazon.co.uk/Everything-I-Know-About-Love/dp/0241322715LinksThe Mothers, by Brit Bennett https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mothers-Brit-Bennett/dp/0399184511Ex-convicts on how to go ‘straight', on BBC Radio 4 http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b074zbxgWhy are even women biased against other women? On BBC Radio 4 http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09pl66dAn interview with Helena Morrissey, by Eleanor Mills for The Sunday Time Magazine https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/helena-morrissey-nine-kids-and-a-mega-salary-has-she-found-the-secret-to-having-it-all-k2h6ktjkkSee acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

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31 Jan 2018

Rank #10

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Loneliness in the young & why we should all be a bit more like Neville Southall

Well, THANK YOU High Lowers - last week’s episode pushed us over 2 million downloads and up to No.3 on the iTunes podcast charts. The mailbag was also bulging this week: some helpful kind corrections; some not-so-helpful - and we’ve got a little something to say on that....This week we discuss the results of The ONS’s report into loneliness, which has revealed that - contrary to popular belief - it is not pensioners who are society’s most lonely, but 16-24 year olds. Is social media to blame? Has celebrity replaced community? And what will Tracey Crouch do about it?Also today, we talk about former Everton footballer Neville Southall who has been lending his Twitter platform (with its associated 127,000 followers) to minorities less privileged than him. Pretty great, huh? Well, apparently not. We talk about criticism, the liberal echo chamber and why curiosity is something to be prized not derided. Ultimately, we could all be a bit more Neville.And on a lighter note: there’s Cardi B; the fragrance that ‘smells like’ Prince Harry and Meghan Markle’s wedding; why Cynthia Nixon hates it when Big builds Carrie a wardrobe; and Dolly’s drunken obsession with voice notes.Use an exclusive discount to get £10 off your first Treatwell booking with HIGHLOW10. You can tweet us @thehighlowshow or e-mail is thehighlowshow@gmail.com - but please do note that we are unable to reply to all messages. Links:Neville Southall - A Man Too Good For This Cruel World by Stuart Heritage https://www.esquire.com/uk/life/amp19733417/neville-southall-a-man-too-good-for-this-cruel-world/Interview with New Zealand’s pregnant Prime Minister, Jacinda Arden - by Helena de Bertadano for The Sunday Times Magazinehttps://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jacinda-ardern-prime-minister-new-zealand-work-life-balance-meeting-barack-obama-cmtbg6mn2The Chinese workers who assemble designer bags in Tuscany - by D. T. Max for The New Yorkerhttps://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/16/the-chinese-workers-who-assemble-designer-bags-in-tuscany/ampKim Noble - The Woman With 100 Personalities https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2011/sep/30/kim-noble-woman-with-100-personalities Is It Time For Small Plates To Die? by Lauren Bravo https://www.the-pool.com/food-home/food-honestly/2018/14/Lauren-Bravo-calls-time-on-sharing-menusHow Do You Want Me? By Ruby Wax https://www.amazon.co.uk/How-Do-You-Want-Me/dp/0091887895 James Martin interviewed by Laura Pullman https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/134b3bfe-39d5-11e8-a03f-05e11e5a873aSee acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

1hr 3mins

12 Apr 2018

Rank #11

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Is "hey guys" anti-feminist?; & why we are better people than our worst joke

Jeremy Hunt forgot his wife's nationality; someone tried to book 6 hotel rooms at The High Low (us neither); & Dolly smashed a glass of wine all over CJ's recording equipment. Hola August: the summer madness has officially begun! We discuss Jane Garvey's comment on Radio 4's Woman's Hour this week: that "hey guys" should not be used when a gathering includes women. Is "guys" an anti-feminist collective term; or has it evolved into unisex slang? And are there any non-gross alternatives?Also today, we talk about comedian and talk show host Trevor Noah and his distasteful 2013 joke about aboriginal women, which has recently re-surfaced and has seen Australians boycotting his upcoming tour in Australia. Should we be allowed to evolve beyond our past (worst) jokes? And what is the role of comedy, in a post-MeToo, Trumpian world?The High Low will be taking a summer break, so Pandora can play with her baby and Dolly can take a post-book tour breather. We'll be back on September 6th. Byeeeeeee!EMAIL: thehighlowshow@gmail.comTWITTER: @thehighlowshowLINKS:Fight Like A Girl, by Clementine Ford https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fight-Like-Girl-Clementine-Ford/dp/1760292362Paris For One (& Other Stories), by Jojo Moyes https://www.amazon.co.uk/Paris-One-Other-Stories-Discover/dp/1405928166/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1533158639&sr=1-1&keywords=jojo+moyes+parisAmerican Housewife, by Helen Ellis https://www.amazon.co.uk/American-Housewife-Helen-Ellis/dp/1471153800/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1533158662&sr=1-1&keywords=american+wives+helen+ellisHadley Freeman interviews Jameela Jamil, for The Guardian magazine https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/jul/28/jameela-jamil-wont-become-double-agent-patriarchyTable Manners With Jessie Ware: https://www.acast.com/tablemanners/Jason Segel on WTF with Marc Maron: http://www.wtfpod.com/podcast/episodes/episode_623_-_jason_segelThe Florence Kleiner Bursary at The Old Vic: https://www.oldvictheatre.com/news/2018/07/the-florence-kleiner-bursaryWhy It’s Wrong To Call Out Trevor Noah For Off-Colour Jokes They Made In Their Past, by Shappi Khorsandi for The Independent: https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/trevor-noah-dan-harmon-old-jokes-exposure-wrong-alt-right-james-gunn-a8466011.html See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

58mins

1 Aug 2018

Rank #12

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What Women Want: The Rise and Fall of Victoria's Secret

This week we discuss the party leaders Question Time, the tragic murder of Grace Millane (and what we have learned and still need to learn about BDSM), the incredible documentary that is For Sama and the upcoming shortage of middle-class foods. Hold on to your halloumi...And we cover the news that Victoria's Secret have axed their catwalk show - a pop-culture institution that cost £12 million to produce - after sales continue to dive at the lingerie brand. We talk choice feminism, body diversity, the underwear market and models in the age of social media.E-mail thehighlowshow@gmail.comTweet @thehighlowshowLinks@sendb00ks on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/sendb00ks/?hl=enMUBI.com for international cinemaOnloan clothing rental: https://onloan.co/73 Questions with Cardi B, for US Vogue https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qTROr7cgCYMy Wild and Sleepless Nights: A Mother's Story, by Clover Stroud https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/111/1116784/my-wild-and-sleepless-nights/9780857525901.htmlFor Sama, on Channel 4od https://www.channel4.com/programmes/for-samaBroken: Jeffrey Epstein podcast https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/sony-music-podcasts/broken-jeffrey-epsteinDolly Parton's America: https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/dolly-partons-america/episodes/only-one-me-jolene Jane Garvey on How To Fail: https://play.acast.com/s/how-to-fail1/howtofail.podbean.com%2Fhow-to-fail-jane-garvey-256a07c04edf0b34828bd1ad62d2a867Sophie Wilkinson on the murder of Grace Millane, for The Huffington Post https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/grace-millane-bdsm_uk_5dd57b30e4b0fc53f20cde5eHalloumi Hell, by Séamus O'Reilly for The Observer https://www.theguardian.com/global/2019/nov/24/the-halloumi-crisis-supplies-of-one-of-britains-best-loved-imports-are-running-lowThis Be The Worst, by Adrian Mitchell: http://aotearoasunrise.blogspot.com/2013/09/tuesday-poem-this-be-worst-by-adrian.html See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

1hr 20mins

25 Nov 2019

Rank #13

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Strictly’s Scandal, Johnny Depp’s GQ Cover & The Nothingburger

It’s our favourite time of year: The OED have released their new admissions. Are you feeling bongga? Or are you - whisper it - just a nothingburger? We also discuss the Banksy that shredded itself; Brett Kavanaugh’s ascendancy into The Supreme Court; Taylor Swift’s Instagram politics; and that time Trump walked around with a wad of bog roll stuck to his shoe. It’s the little things. This episode concerns two men accused of domestic abuse - comedian Seann Walsh, and Johnny Depp who currently covers British GQ. Were Strictly Come Dancing wrong not to drop Walsh? Were GQ wrong to profile Depp? We deep-dive into both and wonder: what’s the protocol, when it comes to the accused? E-mail: thehighlowshow@gmail.comTweet us: @thehighlowshow Stacey Dooley Investigates: Fashion’s Dirty Secrets, on the BBC https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0bn6034Can I re-think my love affair with clothes? by Jess Cartner-Morley for The Guardian magazine  https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2018/oct/06/sustainable-fashion-impact-on-planet-jess-cartner-morleySorry For Your Loss, on Facebook Watch A Woman’s Anger, an episode with Rebecca Traister for Call Your Girlfriend podcast https://www.callyourgirlfriend.com/a-womans-anger-with-rebecca-traister/Good and Mad, by Rebecca Traister https://www.hive.co.uk/Product/Rebecca-Traister/Good-and-Mad--The-Revolutionary-Power-of-Womens-Anger/22853939Notes On A Nervous Planet, by Matt Haig https://www.hive.co.uk/Product/Matt-Haig/Notes-on-a-Nervous-Planet/21949786‘The Outlaw’ - Johnny Depp will not be buried, by Jonathan Heaf for British GQ https://t.co/0d7xQvg0yBWanderlust on The BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0bjckgvNot Working by Lisa Owens Radio Adaptation: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07blldrChristopher Bland Award for Writing: https://rsliterature.org/award/rsl-christopher-bland-prize/Daisy Buchanan on Rebecca Humphries’ statement for The Pool: https://www.the-pool.com/news-views/opinion/2018/41/Strictly-Come-Dancing-Seann-Walsh-ex-girlfriend-statementSee acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

1hr 13mins

10 Oct 2018

Rank #14

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On speaking out against Woody Allen; and why women are still judged by appearance in the workplace

The High Low is a quarter of a century old (sort of) and to celebrate we have a ton of great reading recommendations for you - scroll down to see our favourite pieces of the week, including a piece on the rise and full of a Muslim cop at the NYPD in The New Yorker, everything you need to know about therapy by Hannah Ewans for Vice and the story of the 48-year-old intern, as seen at The Spectator. This week, we discuss Kate Winslet’s controversial comments (or lack thereof) when asked about working with Woody Allen. Should Hollywood actors seek to distance themselves from known paedophiles like Allen and Polanski; or does great art stand alone? We discuss ethics and responsibility... when your boss is a creep. Also work-related, the tech CEO who dyed her blonde hair brown, to be taken more seriously in the workplace. Have you ever toned down your looks, in an effort to get ahead? We discuss misogyny at work and why it’s important to hold your own. You can e-mail The High Low thehighlowshow@gmail.com, or tweet us @thehighlowshow. Don’t forget to rate, review and subscribe to The High Low on iTunes - it helps boost us our ratings and allows other people to find us. OH! And before you go: Dolly solved her phone storage issue. Thank fuck for that. Books, shows & podcasts that we’ve been consuming this week: The Most Dangerous Place On Earth, by Lindsey Lee Johnson https://www.amazon.co.uk/Most-Dangerous-Place-Earth/dp/0451483987 The Trials of a Muslim Cop, by Rachel Aviv for The New Yorker https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/09/11/the-trials-of-a-muslim-cop The Girlfriend Experience, directed by Steven Soderbergh https://play.google.com/store/tv/show?id=7vM4RanppsI&cdid=tvseason-vo4wdThuG0ESdOZssmmlrw&gdid=tvepisode-BP6eerEBbsA The 48-year-old intern, for The Spectator https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/09/at-48-and-with-my-three-boys-growing-up-fast-im-the-new-office-intern/ Hannah Ewans on therapy, for Vice https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/8xxyj3/everything-i-wish-id-been-told-before-starting-therapy Nigella Lawson on home cooking, for The Sunday Times Magazine https://t.co/1wMDrLPw5C?amp=1 Daisy Buchanan on Woody Allen, for The Pool https://www.the-pool.com/news-views/opinion/2017/37/daisy-buchanan-on-famously-abusive-men-and-power WTF episode with Lena Dunham, on Woody Allen: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p3Y-JWimJicSee acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

57mins

14 Sep 2017

Rank #15

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Crediting your sources in the internet age & why we all love to hate Coachella

Some excellent e-mails on voice notes in The High Low mailbag this week - turns out The HL listeners are more than a little bit obsessed with voice notes. On this week’s agenda: a butt-load of article recommendations from Pandora (Christie Watson’s book about the NHS had Pandora in a puddle), some stellar advice from Dolly on how to survive your social life sober, a hefty discussion on miscreditation and appropriation in the internet age and - the big stuff - why we all love to hate Coachella (it’s not just the headdresses, people.)You can e-mail us any thoughts on this week’s episode at thehighlowshow@gmail.com or tweet us @thehighlowshow.ReadingAnatomy of a Scandal, by Sarah Vaughan https://www.amazon.co.uk/Anatomy-Scandal-bestseller-everyone-talking/dp/1471165000Falsely accused of rape: is the justice system biased against men? - by Katie Glass, for The Sunday Times Magazine https://www.thetimes.co.uk/magazine/the-sunday-times-magazine/falsely-accused-rape-men-reveal-deepest-shame-gvxh88f9wSocial media helped me connect with my husband in a way I couldn’t in real life - by Jennifer Malia for New York Magazine, https://www.thecut.com/2018/04/the-relief-of-social-media-dating-as-a-woman-with-autism.htmlThe Language of Kindness: A Nurse’s Story, by Christie Watson https://www.amazon.co.uk/Language-Kindness-Nurses-Story/dp/1784741973Elitism and the Oxbridge access problem, by Sathnam Sanghera for The Times Magazine https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sathnam-sanghera-elitism-the-oxbridge-access-problem-and-why-i-never-felt-i-belonged-at-cambridge-8dtm77jvf The Friendship Cure by Kate Leaverhttps://www.amazon.co.uk/Friendship-Cure-Kate-Leaver-ebook/dp/B076J26KZQTo Throw Away Unopened by Viv Albertinehttps://www.amazon.co.uk/Throw-Away-Unopened-Viv-Albertine/dp/0571326218ListeningCall Your Girlfriend podcast on shine theory and millennial pinkwashing http://www.callyourgirlfriend.com/millennial-pinkwashing/Literary Friction’s memoir episode https://m.soundcloud.com/literaryfriction/memoir-viv-albertineFearne Cotton’s Happy Place with Alexandra Shulman http://www.officialfearnecotton.com/news/2018/4/9/happy-place-alexandra-shulman#C1IlcccJVh3q2EGA.97Fearne Cotton’s Happy Place with Kirsty Young http://www.officialfearnecotton.com/news/2018/4/16/happy-place-kirsty-young#P6mbddR5SEszBZSM.97See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

1hr 1min

18 Apr 2018

Rank #16

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The Travesty of Princess Diana's Leaked Tapes & The Legacy of Celebrity Big Brother

It's Episode 20, a milestone of sorts - and Tesco are now paying your tampon tax. Hurrah! Go buy your 'pax from there -- and other supermarkets, we hope you follow their example. This week Dolly and Pandora discuss the invasion of royal privacy with the revelation of Princess Diana's private tapes (handed over by her speech coach from 1992) that will be aired in Diana: Her Own Words on Channel 4 on Sunday 6th August. Is it really in the public interest, to air tapes Diana never thought would leave the room - or is it an unethical attempt by a powerful broadcaster to feed modern culture's salacious appetite for celebrity gossip? You can guess which side we fall down on. Also today, we discuss the return of Celebrity Big Brother - series approx 487 - and whether the format is getting tired. Has reality TV entered a new chapter? We also discuss past highlights, including Ivana Trump accepting a fake businesswoman of the year award (yes, the president of the USA's ex-wife went on British CBB) and Vanessa Feltz's meltdown. This week's reading, listening and watching: Top of The Lake: China Girl, on BBC iPlayer Diana: In Her Own Words, on Channel 4 Baby-faced killers of Kim Jong-nam in The Sunday Times magazine https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/north-korea-femmes-fatales-kim-jong-un-s-baby-faced-killers-lmj6p6988 Too Fat, Too Slutty, Too Loud, by Anne Helen Petersen https://www.amazon.co.uk/Too-Fat-Slutty-Loud-Unruly-x/dp/0399576851 The Course of Love, by Alain de Botton https://www.amazon.co.uk/Course-Love-Alain-Botton/dp/0241145473 An Untamed State, by Roxane Gay https://www.amazon.co.uk/Untamed-State-Roxane-Gay/dp/1472119827 Jon Ronson on Guys We Fucked - https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/guys-we-f-d/id885960517?mt=2 Jon Ronson piece on the Guardian about porn https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2017/jul/29/jon-ronson-bespoke-porn-nothing-is-too-weird-all-requests Sheryl Sandberg on Desert Island Discs - http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08z9b81 My body shape is in fashion - but how for long? By Charlie Brinkhurst-Cuff for The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/global/2017/jul/30/my-body-shape-is-in-vogue-but-for-how-long-charlie-brinkhust-cuff Please do rate review and subscribe on iTunes. You can email us thehighlowshow@gmail.com Tweet us @thehighlowshow WE ARE HAVING ANOTHER WEEK OFF NEXT WEEK. Dolly is sunning her babylons. But listen, don't be sad, here's a wise quote from Alain de Botton for you: Love is a skill, not just an enthusiasm.  See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

1hr 10mins

2 Aug 2017

Rank #17

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That Taylor Swift Song & Macron's €8,000 Make-Up Habit

It’s Dolly’s birthday today! And as if in celebration, The High Low has hit half a million downloads. Listen to Pandora sing happy birthday to Dolly and the two discuss Hilary Mantel’s epic piece on Princess Diana and 'the princess myth' for The Guardian and Alan Yentob’s BBC interview with Margaret Atwood. Also today, some deep-dive discussion into Taylor Swift’s record-breaking new tune (43.2million YouTube downloads in 24 hours) and whether it’s self-aware and brave, or gauche and obvious. One thing’s for sure: Taylor ain't pretending to play nice anymore. Playing nice, at least with make-up, is French President Emmanuel Macron, whose make-up regime have been revealed as costing €8,000 and then a further €10,000. Is he wearing bespoke presidential foundation? Or lasering his ball sack with the finest lasers in the land? The High Low discusses if this is a gendered issue (yes) and whether Theresa May would get away with spending £18,000 of public funding on her fizzy. Fun facts from today’s Top Line: in a brand alignment like no others, Julien McDonald is making diamante burger boxes for McDonald’s; and soft cheese could be making your head smaller. Oh, and do you have Prosecco gums? Dolly might do. Don’t forget to rate review and subscribe on iTunes and do tweet us @thehighlowshow and e-mail us thehighlowshow@gmail.com. RECOMMENDED: Here's The Thing With Alec Baldwin interviews Lawrence Wright: http://www.wnyc.org/story/lawrence-wright/ Alan Yentob interviews Margaret Atwood: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b093tw95/imagine-summer-2017-2-margaret-atwood-you-have-been-warned Hilary Mantel's piece on Princess Diana: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/aug/26/the-princess-myth-hilary-mantel-on-diana Heart podcast mini-series on sexual consent: http://www.theheartradio.org/no-episodes/ Score by Jilly Cooper https://www.amazon.co.uk/Score-Jilly-Cooper-OBE/dp/0552156361 Tiny Ladies in Shiny Pants by Jill Soloway: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tiny-Ladies-Shiny-Pants-Soloway/dp/1785032860/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1504119762&sr=1-1&keywords=tiny+ladies+in+shiny+pants Ariel Levy's interview on Fresh Air: http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/08/01/540822381/i-was-somebodys-mother-reflections-on-the-guilt-and-grief-of-miscarriage Laura Snapes for Elle.com on Taylor Swift http://www.elle.com/culture/music/news/a47694/taylor-swift-look-what-you-made-me-do-video-analysis/ Decoding the disses of Taylor Swift in the Guardian, by Jake Nevins https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/aug/28/taylor-swift-look-what-you-made-me-do-music-video Who Killed Taylor Swift in The Atlantic: https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/08/who-killed-taylor-swift/537990/ The Women's Hour discussion of Taylor Swift and celebrity female rivalry: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b092956jSee acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

1hr 6mins

30 Aug 2017

Rank #18

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A Christmas Special with Joan and Jericha

Oodles of cracker jokes, festive Dolls polls, jolly songs and weird Christmas facts; and Dolly pays a snowy visit to everyone’s favourite filthy agony aunts, Joan and Jericha for their first EVER audio interview. Their top tip for Christmas? A handjob under the dining room table.Tweet @thehighlowshowE-mail @thehighlowshowWe’ll be back from maternity leave in April 2020!Donate to Solace Women’s Aid: https://www.solacewomensaid.org/news/solace-womens-aid-christmas-campaign-invites-support-women-who-arrive-refuges-nothingBuy a homeless young person a Christmas dinner: https://centrepoint.org.uk/more-than-a-christmas-dinner/Painfully British Haikus, by Dale Shaw *Please note that the inbox will be unmanned during this time.*  See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

32mins

17 Dec 2019

Rank #19

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The UK’s New Minister for Loneliness; And Are We Children Until The Age of 25?

First thing’s first: 1 in 4 women are still skipping their smear test - please don’t be one of them. Dolly talks to Kate Sanger from Jo's Cervical Cancer Trust who emphasises the importance of smear tests in preventing cervical cancer.Also today, we discuss the UK’s newly appointed Minister for Loneliness, Tracey Crouch - and why loneliness is not just a problem in the elderly ; new evidence which suggests that psychologically we are all children until the age of not 18, but - duh duh duhhhhhh - 25; and why “well-intentioned racism” is still, well, racism.NB: Courtesy of our kind sponsors, Treatwell, you can get yourself £10 off a £25 treatment with the code HIGHLOW10. Visit treatwell.co.uk to book!Reading:The linguistic evolution of ‘like’, by John McWhorter for The Atlantic https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2016/11/the-evolution-of-like/507614/Eleanor Oliphant is Completely Fine, by Gail Honeyman https://www.netflix.com/title/80133311Money Diary: A freelance writer living in London on 14K, by Anon for Refinery29 http://www.refinery29.uk/money-diary-freelance-writerThe minister for loneliness will need all the friends she can get, by Stewart Dakers for the Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jan/23/tracey-crouch-minister-loneliness-friends-powerful-vested-interestsListening:Fashion Unzipped, by The Telegraph http://unzipped.podcast.telegraph.co.ukSo You've Been Publicly Shamed on Audible by Jon Ronson: https://www.audible.co.uk/pd/Non-fiction/So-Youve-Been-Publicly-Shamed-Audiobook/B00S8QO068 Peter Morgan on Fresh Air: https://www.npr.org/2018/01/16/578281741/crown-creator-sees-britains-reigning-monarchs-as-just-a-regular-family David Remnick interviews David Attenborough for The New Yorker Hour: https://www.wnycstudios.org/story/david-attenboroughs-planet-we-just-live-it/ Watching:Riverdale, on Netflix https://www.netflix.com/title/80133311Dreams of A Life on 4 OD: http://www.channel4.com/programmes/dreams-of-a-life/on-demand/50028-001See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

1hr 3mins

24 Jan 2018

Rank #20