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The Pre Accident Podcast is an ongoing safety podcast conversation of Human Performance, Systems Safety, & Safety Culture.

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The Pre Accident Podcast is an ongoing safety podcast conversation of Human Performance, Systems Safety, & Safety Culture.

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By J-Fred23 - Apr 04 2017
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I don't agree with 100% of what is said, but a great & informational podcast

A gem

By oftcaberry - Feb 01 2016
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Very informative and the leading edge of human performance thinking.

iTunes Ratings

105 Ratings
Average Ratings
98
5
2
0
0

Great

By J-Fred23 - Apr 04 2017
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I don't agree with 100% of what is said, but a great & informational podcast

A gem

By oftcaberry - Feb 01 2016
Read more
Very informative and the leading edge of human performance thinking.
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PreAccident Investigation Podcast

Latest release on Aug 12, 2020

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The Pre Accident Podcast is an ongoing safety podcast conversation of Human Performance, Systems Safety, & Safety Culture.

Rank #1: PAPod 225 - Risk, Insurance, and Surfing -- with an Oxford comma

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May 18 2019

37mins

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Rank #2: PAPod 281 - A Sneak Peak of "When The Worst Accident Happens." A new Todd Conklin Book

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The New Book is available here:

https://www.amazon.com/When-Worst-Accident-Happens-catastrophic/dp/B088T31QZG/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=when+the+worst+accident+happens&qid=1589926573&sr=8-1

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May 20 2020

29mins

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Rank #3: PAPod 147 - Safety on Tap - Meet Andrew Barrett

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This is a fun episode and I realy enjoyed the chance to put this together.  Nothing happened the way I would have imagined it would happen - but that makes for a fun podcast conversation.  

Andrew is a friend of the Pod and a pretty hardcore listener.  He also has a podcast all his own.  Safety on Tap is a podcast that provides motion, guidance, and attention to poeple just like ourselves.  

Listen and see what you think.

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Thanks for listening and tell your friend.  See you in a greasy spoon some place.   

Nov 11 2017

40mins

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Rank #4: PAPod 115 - Safety Differently is not an "or" proposition - it is an "and" strategy

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Welcome on of the worlds best safety thinkers to the podcast - he is smart, interesting, and Scottish.  That is the perfect combination to make this a very interesting and educational episode of the PAPod!   Glad you are in place.

John manages safety at a Global level and has the ability to watch change happen at different rates.  This is a fun discussion and a great podcast.  You will like it a bunch.

Thanks for listen and enjoying the podcast.  Isn't it time for you to be a part of the show?  Keep telling your friends and let's see where this takes us?

Mar 25 2017

35mins

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Rank #5: PAPod 267 - Sidney Dekker Talks with Todd about Corona Virus, Fear, and Adaptive Capacity

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These episodes serve as a discussion forum for the response to COVID 19 - Corona Virus.

Your input is welcome.  I will pick a topic daily for a quick discussion.  

Please add your comments.  

Keep moving forward!

Mar 28 2020

33mins

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Rank #6: PAPod 158 - The Hardest Conversation I Have Ever Arranged - Here is the Amazing Bill Hoyle!

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Bill has more than 30 years experience in process safety and the investigation of major incidents. In the 1990s, he was the Wharton School of Business roundtable on major accident prevention as well as the EPA Experts’ Delegation that studied European safety practices while touring Germany. He was a co-founder of U.S. Chemical Safety Board (CSB) operations in 1998. Hoyle managed the CSB investigation of the 2005 fire and explosions at BP Texas City refinery that killed 15 and injured 180. He was senior investigator for the CSB’s investigation of the Deepwater Horizon disaster as well as the West, Texas fertilizer explosion that killed 15 responders. He was a member of the National Academy of Sciences panel that studied safety culture in the offshore energy industry. Hoyle served as keynote speaker at numerous safety conferences throughout Europe and Australia.

He was expert adviser to CalOSHA and CalEPA on revisions to their regulations for oil refineries. Hoyle provided extensive training for California state and local government refinery safety inspectors.

He is a peer reviewer of the California Council on Science and Technology report on the safety of underground natural gas storage facilities. Mr. Hoyle is an alternate member of the ANSI Z-10 Committee on Occupational Health and Safety Management Systems.

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Thanks for listening and tell your friends.  See you soon, but not soon enough!  Thanks Bill.  Tell your friends and co-workers to listen and subscribe.   

Jan 27 2018

34mins

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Rank #7: PAPod 155 - Safety Culture from the Horse's Mouth - Meet Mark Fleming

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Dr. Mark Fleming is the CN Professor of Safety Culture. He received his Bachelor’s in Psychology and Master’s in Human Factors from Aberdeen University and his PhD in Psychology from The Robert Gordon University in Scotland. Mark is an applied psychologist with nearly 20 years of experience in industrial health and safety management in high hazard industries including the offshore oil and gas, nuclear power, petrochemical, power generation and construction. He is dedicated to developing practical and valid tools to assist organisations to prevent harm.Listen and see what you think.

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Thanks for listening and tell your friends.  See you at the football some place.   Tell your friends to listen and subscribe

Jan 06 2018

30mins

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Rank #8: PAPod 271 - Professor David Woods on the Concept of Bouncing Forward...What's Next in the Time of the Corona Virus for Our Organizations

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This is the paper you will want to read and distribute:

When Can We Move Forward From COVID-19? When Four Capabilities Are In Action. 

https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.3748052

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Apr 15 2020

59mins

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Rank #9: PAPod 265 - Matt Compher - Status Update

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Mar 14 2020

32mins

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Rank #10: PAPod 159 - Risk-Based Thinking - A new book by Tony Muschara

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Tony is a good friend of the podcast and a great thinker in Human and Organizational Performance - He is also a great guy and a good friend.

This episode is entirely about Tony's new book:  Risk-Based Thinking: Managing the Uncertainty of Human Error in Operations.  This conversation goes deeply in to what Tony was thinking and why he penned this book. 

You will love this podcast.

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Thanks for listening and tell your friends.  See you at the next conference call!

Feb 03 2018

29mins

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Rank #11: PAPod 128 - Climbing El Capitan?

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That is a question, not a statement.

This month a young climber, let's call him Alex (cause that is his name) climbed El Capitan, 3000 and some change feet above sea level - solo and without safety equipment. 

I have a question for you?

Risky or Expert?

You decide and think about your answer.   This is an important discussion.

Thanks for listening to the podcast.  You have made this the most listened to safety podcast on earth.   Thanks and tell your friends.   Please subscribe and write a reveiw.  Thanks again.

Jun 24 2017

18mins

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Rank #12: PAPod 143 - Heinrich Was Wrong - Admit It - and Move On...

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Sometime around 1938, Mr. Heinrich made a triangle - and the rest of the world fell in love with it.  

We should stop.  It is wrong and we all know it.  We must stop selling this magical thinking as real.

Listen and see what you think.

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Thanks for listening and tell your friend.  See you in a bus station some place.   

Oct 14 2017

26mins

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Rank #13: PAPod 157 - Sex and Safety Differently

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Ill bet this one catches your attention.

Friend of the pod, Bill Rigot talks about the current discussion around sex that is happening in the United States.

I could say more, and I should, but I think it would be better if you dig in to this episode.

Enjoy and think!

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Thanks for listening and tell your friends.  See you in the funny papers.   

Jan 20 2018

34mins

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Rank #14: Safety Moment - Who Failed or What Failed?

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The power is in the question.   A simple change for the initial question after an operational upset.   Shift your thinking from the old "who failed?" thinking to the much more effective "what failed?" thinking.

You'll be glad you did.

Thanks for listening to the podcast.  Tell your friends. to listen.   Do it now and see if it makes a difference.

Jun 28 2017

3mins

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Rank #15: PAPod 183 - Ron Gantt and safety differently, differently

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Listen to this podcast.  I am serious LISTEN.

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Thanks for listening and tell your friends.  See you in the safety differently website, someplace.

Jul 21 2018

29mins

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Rank #16: Special Replay - Todd's Favorites - The 2015 Conversation with Bert Brugghemans... A must listen!

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This podcast is a replay from 2015 - and is being offered for a preparation for this year's HPRCT meeting.  I love this podcast and I always have - it is a great discussion and it involves a possible bomb scare...What more can you ask for?

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Thanks for listening and tell your friends.  See you on Audible...a couple books are up on there.  Have a great day as well.

Jun 08 2019

36mins

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Rank #17: PAPod 123- This is what a Corporate Podcast Can Do For Your Organization

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Barbara Cristinziani has her very own podcast in her company.  Well, she is a part of the podcast that is shared by the entire organization, but she hosted the very first episode ever!  Oops!  Just learned that this is the second episode of the podcast for this organization...that is close to the first...isn't it?

Guess who the guest was for this podcast?  Yes, the guest is a fellow podcaster.  That guest was Todd Conklin and the discussion was one of safety, reliability, and an organization that has really grown towards becomming more and more reliable.

This episode is a little glimpse in to how other organization's are doing some of this important work.

Thanks for listening to the podcast.   If you would like to sponsor this community of thought, we would love to have you as a part of our team, connect with us and see what magic could happen.

See you next podcast.   Thanks for listening and subscribing.  You make the podcast go.

May 20 2017

23mins

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Rank #18: PAPod 127 - An Australian Forester Speaks about Wildland Fire and Safety

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Ivan Pupilidy and I sat down for a conversation with one of the most interesting people I have talked to in a long while.  Meet Roger Strickland, Australian, Fire Fighter, Trainer, Leader, Listener, Story-teller, and most importantly - a great learner of how things normally go right in order to understand how things sometimes go wrong (Thanks Erik).

This conversation, the first of what I hope is many, talks about wildland fire and learning.  What a great topic.  We can all learn from such great conversations.  Sit back and enjoy how much you will gleen from this little talk.   

Thanks for being a part of the Podcast.  You are a big reason we keep having such good conversations.  Without you we would never get the chance to share such important information.

TELL YOUR FRIENDS (AND EVEN POEPLE YOU DON'T LIKE VERY MUCH) TO SUBSCRIBE AND LISTEN.  It is mighty fun having you along for the ride.  

Jun 17 2017

24mins

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Rank #19: PAPod 230 - Part One: A History Discussion of HOP - Jay Allen and Todd Conklin

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This is part one of a three-part series... See if you can gut through this.

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Jul 13 2019

28mins

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Rank #20: PAPod 280 - Safety has become more than a set of technical questions...There are huge cultural questions... Dr. David Michaels, Former OSHA Administrator

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May 16 2020

32mins

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Safety Moment - A Choice is not, not Choosing - it's not!

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Aug 12 2020

3mins

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PAPod 300 - Ron,Tom, and Todd - What Does The New Normal Mean for Safety?

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Aug 08 2020

32mins

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Safety Moment - Look Beyond Yourself - During Crises...Diversity of Thought is an Advantage

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Aug 05 2020

3mins

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PAPod 299 - David Marx and Justice for All - PART TWO - The Conclusion

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Aug 01 2020

45mins

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Safety Moment - The 2020 Version of the "old layers of controls" speech.

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Jul 29 2020

4mins

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PAPod 298 - David Marx and Justice for All - PART ONE

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Jul 25 2020

31mins

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PAPod 297 - An Investigator Works at Moving Forward - Brad Mayhew

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Jul 22 2020

32mins

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PAPod 296 - Worker Suicide - This is an Important Discussion - Dr. Sally Spencer-Thomas

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For More Information

drsallyspeaksinfo@gmail.com

TED Talk Video:  https://youtu.be/BE428HoKoLk

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Jul 18 2020

23mins

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PAPod 295 - Making Bad Choices Versus Having Bad Choices - and how we respond.

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Every once in a while I read or hear something that makes me stop and say, "Holy Crap!  That is interesting!"   This is one of those times - listen and see if you have the same response.

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Jul 15 2020

22mins

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Corona Virus: A Nation in Paradox - Opening Schools in the Time of Covid19

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These episodes serve as a discussion forum for the response to COVID 19 - Corona Virus.

Your input is welcome.  I will pick a topic daily for a quick discussion.  

Please add your comments.  

Keep moving forward!

Jul 13 2020

4mins

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PAPod 294 - The Dekker Workshops

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Jul 11 2020

33mins

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PAPod 293 - Jeff Lyth Returns - and he is still Canadian

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Jul 08 2020

25mins

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Happy July 4th - A Music Moment - A March

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Jul 04 2020

2mins

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PAPod 292 - Accessing our Better Angels....

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Jul 01 2020

27mins

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Corona Virus: Knowing Less Does Not Make a Virus Go Away.

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These episodes serve as a discussion forum for the response to COVID 19 - Corona Virus.

Your input is welcome.  I will pick a topic daily for a quick discussion.  

Please add your comments.  

Keep moving forward!

Jun 29 2020

2mins

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PAPod 291 - Pre-Covid Discussion with Rob Berryman - Construction Safety Guru

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Jun 27 2020

24mins

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PAPod 290 - A Fire Chief Speaks About Capacity, Honesty, and Psychological Safety - Bert Brugghemans Returns

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Jun 24 2020

32mins

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Corona Virus: Now is the Time to Build Community, Dammitt!

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These episodes serve as a discussion forum for the response to COVID 19 - Corona Virus.

Your input is welcome.  I will pick a topic daily for a quick discussion.  

Please add your comments.  

Keep moving forward!

Jun 22 2020

2mins

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PAPod 289 - Incompetence and Errors in Reasoning Around Face Coverings - An Essay By Nassim Taleb

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Jun 20 2020

25mins

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PAPod 288 - James MacPherson - Rebranding Safety One Conversation at a Time

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Jun 17 2020

38mins

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iTunes Ratings

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By J-Fred23 - Apr 04 2017
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I don't agree with 100% of what is said, but a great & informational podcast

A gem

By oftcaberry - Feb 01 2016
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Very informative and the leading edge of human performance thinking.