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T10 “I am a Young Single Adult Advocate” | An Interview with Rob Ferrell

1hr 31mins

2 Jun 2019

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T10 Women, Priesthood, & Church Leadership | An Interview with Barbara Morgan Gardner

Barbara Morgan Gardner is an associate professor of Church history and doctrine at Brigham Young University, and the author of The Priesthood Power of Women. Her research interests focus primarily on women in religious leadership, international education, and religious pedagogy. She holds a master's degree in educational leadership and foundations and a PhD in instructional psychology, and did post-doctoral work at Harvard University. Barbara was institute director in Boston, Massachusetts, serving more than 100 universities and colleges in the area and acting as chaplain at Harvard and MIT. She continues to serve as the chaplain-at-large in higher education for The Church, and on the BYU Interfaith Outreach Council. She and her husband, Dustin Gardner, live in Highland, Utah.Highlights05:40 - Why was the book written: to help women and understand what priesthood is09:25 - Barbara realized that many members and leaders didn’t separate the hierarchical structure of the priesthood and the patriarchal structure of the priesthood. She wanted to help women to understand the prophet has been asking us to learn more about the priesthood.10:00 - Barbara became more frustrated with women who are not interested in learning about the priesthood than those who are and who may even be unhappy.11:45 - Is this information on the priesthood power of women new, or would someone historical like David O.McKay be aware of it?13:00 - Are we shoehorning this doctrine into today’s culture because more women are asking questions?14:45 - Russell M. Nelson has been asking women to study and know this doctrine.16:50 - What is the difference between the hierarchical and patriarchal structure of the priesthood?19:10 - Why don’t we talk about the patriarchal structure of the priesthood?21:05 - Elder and Sister Renlund’s notions of Big Earth and Little Earth priesthood ties in23:40 - What are priesthood keys and who holds priesthood keys?28:50 - How are keys different relating to the hierarchical and patriarchal priesthoods? Who is “in charge” in a family? What does presiding mean in a family vs the church structure? Who has keys in a temple? In a mission?38:55 - What does it mean that keys will be revealed?39:20 - General priesthood keys vs keys of presiding41:15 - What priesthood keys do women have?43:10 - What can a key holder do in a ward to highlight and enable the priesthood power and authority of women?48:20 - List of questions that are found in the book49:30 - Who outranks whom when men and women have disagreements at church?50:35 - Someone has to preside, right?53:00 - One way priesthood holders diminish authority of women in their homes55:00 - How can we better understand and improve the revelatory process of submitting names for callings?1:02:10 - Women of this time have been prophesied about1:03:00 - It’s never a competition. Men can do more in partnership with women to save souls than they could alone.LinksThe Priesthood Power of Women: In the Temple, Church, and Family, by Barbara Morgan Gardner

1hr 7mins

2 Nov 2019

Rank #2

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T10 Leading by the SPIRIT of the Law or the LETTER of the Law | An Interview with Jason Hunt

Jason Hunt has a PhD in endocrine physiology and teaches pre-med classes at Brigham Young University-Idaho. He is currently serving as a young single adult bishop and has previously served in a stake presidency and a bishopric.Highlights7:15 Culture and rules are not doctrinal9:20 Keyholder applications are different from personal applications11:00 Elder Bednar’s concept of applications: Doctrines are statements. Principles are embedded in the doctrines and tell us what we should do. They never change. Applications change.14:50 Keyholder applications hold true when the keyholder is saying them and would apply to those who are within their responsibility, and they do not extend beyond18:10 Cultural norms are applications that have extended beyond their boundaries19:00 How you view these cultural norms depends on your personal moral theory. The most common are: Consequential theorist: consequences Obligation theorist: rules Divine theorist: what God has said Egoist: personal priorities25:00 The best leadership should be able to move between these theories27:30 When you understand these moral frameworks, how different people respond to the culture makes more sense. Cognitive development also applies.30:30 Jason’s experience considering the story of Noah34:30 It’s important to be open and talk about things, even if you don’t have the answers36:30 Stephen R. Covey: Listen with the intent to understand, not to answer39:30 Pornography, brain addiction science, and the bladder comparison. Identify the justifications. Ensure they trust and are comfortable and willing to share.44:00 The response depends again on the personal moral theories of everyone involved47:00 The Holy Ghost knows what needs to happen and we can be open to that and understand that there can be different consequences for different people47:40 Have empathy for people with different moral theories and respect them for their approach49:00 The divine command theorist must be doctrinally grounded or there can be misapplication within the culture. Examples that happen in a YSA ward.53:20 Egoism: put the mask on first55:30 When you are working with a leader who is coming from a different moral framework there will be friction and it requires greater empathy. We have to learn to step into different quadrants and embrace the differences of opinion58:45 A mission is not a saving ordinance. The temple is the culminating event with the saving ordinances and that is where the focus needs to be.1:00:10 Jason’s motorcycle example compared to technology use: youth do not have the ability to utilize their agency, so they need stages of responsibilityLinksLeading Saints LIVE with Jason Hunt:Series of books by David A. Bednar:Increase in Learning - Spiritual Patterns for Obtaining Your Own AnswersAct in Doctrine - Spiritual Patterns for Turning from Self to the SaviorPower to Become - Spiritual Patterns for Pressing Forward with a Steadfastness in Christ

1hr 8mins

7 Dec 2019

Rank #3

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T10 Bearded Bishops, Rated-R Movies, & the Honor Code | An Interview with John Hilton III

John Hilton III was born in San Francisco and grew up in Seattle. He served a mission in Denver, and got a Bachelor’s degree from Brigham Young University. While there he met his wife Lani and they have six children. They have lived in Boise, Boston, Miami, Mexico, Jerusalem and China. Currently, they live in Utah. John has a Masters degree from Harvard and a Ph.D from BYU, both in Education. John is a Professor of Religious Education at BYU.John has published several books with Deseret Book, most recently, The Founder of our Peace, and enjoys speaking at Education Week, and other places. His education research has influenced policy both in the United States and internationally. John loves being with his family, doing humanitarian work, learning Chinese, and performing magic.©BYU PHOTO 2011 All Rights ReservedHighlights7:04: John quotes President Uchtdorf in which the former addresses the many “shoulds” and “should nots” that become a challenge in our lives. We can lose peace in our lives when we focus on admittedly good ideas, but aren’t grounded in the Gospel of Jesus Christ.8:50: What are “Fence Laws”? Imagine an unfillable hole in your backyard, which poses a threat to children who may fall in. You therefore put a fence around this hole, which represents sin. The fence represents the protective effort against anybody falling into the sin.9:45: We are already protected from sins by commandments, which John refers to as “core laws”. Yet some still feel the need to add additional “fence laws”. E.g.:Core Law: The law of chastity, i.e., no sexual relations outside of marriage. Fence Law: No kissing until the fourth date, and kiss will last no longer than five seconds. Fence Law: No going into the bedroom of a member of the opposite sex.10:47: Some fence laws have prophetic sources, like those found in the For the Strength of Youth, etc. There is a goodness to fence laws as guided by the spirit or other divine sources, like prophets.13:57: Examples of positive fence laws.15:22: Dangers of focusing on the fence laws while forgetting the commandments: “I didn’t go into the bedroom of a member of the opposite sex, but I still broke the law of chastity.” Children need fences, but the choices should shift away from extrinsic fences to self-imposed fences.16:50: Too many good fences can become a burden.22:58: “Take my yoke upon you” meaning.25:49: Ward traditions that become fences.28:56: Allowing the spirit to fill in the details around prophetic direction.30:14: Anecdotes where a personal fences law caused harm:Unrighteous judgment Offending others Teaching others incorrectly43:20: Fences should help us feel the Holy Ghost45:50: Leading Saints’ contribution to fence laws: learning by seeking to understand the purpose behind a fence.48:14: How to step back from the rush to judgment.51:48: When to correct and when to ignore as leaders.53:10: Did we become members of Christ’s church in order to argue with others what true discipleship looks like? Paul, when using dietary habits as an example of arguing over something inconsequential, said “For meat, destroy not the work of God.” Romans 14:20.55:14: “The work of God” and your role, the bishop’s role, and our common goal.58:01: Trusting prophets as “seers”, even if we can’t “see” the point of their counsel.100:08: Review of four key points:It’s good to have spirit-driven fence laws Some fence laws can be burdensome Know the mark: loving God and loving our neighbors Judging others over fence laws, and teaching doctrine100:35: “Lord, is it I?” mode: who needs to hear this podcast? Look inward.1:02:58: Upward empathy toward leaders.204:18: ConclusionLinksThe Founder of Our Peace: Christ-Centered Patterns for Easing Worry, Stress, and FearJohn's article discussing this topic: A Fence Around the Law – Safety Net or Beam in Our Eye

1hr 7mins

18 Apr 2020

Rank #4

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T10 Can God Be Disappointed in You? | A Presentation by Kurt Francom

In this episode, Leading Saints Executive Director, Kurt Francom, shares his closing session from the Liberating Saints Virtual Summit. He approaches the subject of supporting and mentoring someone through a difficult struggle with pornography, from a doctrinal standpoint. Highlights 3:00 Approaching the topic from a doctrinal standpoint 4:20 Behaviors vs doctrine/heart 5:15 “The study of the doctrines of the gospel will improve behavior quicker than a study of behavior will improve behavior. Preoccupation with unworthy behavior can lead to unworthy behavior. That is why we stress so forcefully the study of the doctrines of the gospel.“—Boyd K. Packer 6:40 Change the heart, leading to a change in behavior 8:00 How Satan tempts us, catching us in our own traps by creating contention in our hearts (Doctrine & Covenants 10:12, 26, 63) 11:10 Satan’s attack on our identity causes contention (Moses 4:11, Matthew 4:3) 14:00 Setting our own trap (example from The Lion King) 17:15 Steve’s story of overcoming addiction 19:40 Satan uses shame to alter identity “As a shame researcher, I've learned that wherever perfectionism is driving us, shame is riding shotgun.”—Brene Brown 22:20 “What does that say about you as a person?”—Sam Tielemans 23:15 The adversary’s work and glory is to destroy the agency of man. Shame leads to altered identity which leads to a lack of agency. 24:55 “I am an addict” “No one wants to be defined by their hardest struggle, and so we have to find this really interesting space between owning it and identifying it but reject being labeled by it and reduced by it.”—Brene Brown 27:00 Does this reduce or expand the individual’s identity? 29:50 Examples of Tom and Tim in the bishop’s office 33:10 A change of heart leads to good behavior Offer hope Explore doctrines (especially mercy and grace) Admit you can’t “fix” them Define the purpose of the behaviors (CPR: church, prayer, read scriptures) Turn them towards their Father Overwhelm them with connection 44:20 Story of James 47:45 Disappointment: another tactic of the adversary The principal’s office, the dentist’s office, and the bishop’s office 51:10 Contention created when we believe God is disappointed in us 52:30 Can God be disappointed? Can God be surprised? Doctrine & Covenants 3:1-3 Doctrine & Covenants 10:67 “Repentance isn’t His backup plan in the event we might fail. Repentance is His plan, knowing that we will.”—Lynn G. Robbins 57:10 Example of learning to walk and falling down “This shepherd, our Good Shepherd, finds joy in seeing His diseased sheep progress toward healing.”—Dale G. Renlund “A car is made to run on gasoline, and it would not run properly on anything else. Now God designed the human machine to run on himself. He himself is the fuel our spirits were designed to burn, or the food our spirits were designed to feed on. There is no other.”—C.S. Lewis 1:01:15 Kurt’s scripture study shame cycle example: “You could _ and I’d still love you.” 1:05:45 “The Christian does not think God will love us because we are good, but that God will make us good because He loves us.”—C.S. Lewis 1:06:20 John 14:16 1:07:50 The Heart of Man movie clip: Think of the violin as commandments and covenants 1:10:10 If ye love me, hold on to my commandments Abraham 3:26, Doctrine & Covenants 78:18 Alma 33:16 Romans 8:38-39 1:13:50 Luke 15:20 When he was yet a great way off Links “The Atonement Works for Me”: One Couple’s Recovery from Sexual Addiction Brene Brown TED talk: Listening to Shame James' story on the Unashamed, Unafraid podcast The Heart of Man movie clip The Heart of Man movie Links Read the TRANSCRIPT of this podcast

1hr 21mins

30 Sep 2019

Rank #5