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When we think of change, we tend to think of the end result - the big, visible thing that is really different from how it started. But in reality, change is the culmination of thousands of moments over time. The seeds of the next decade’s huge changes in our world are being sown today. How to Change the World features interviews with the people that are sowing those seeds. Through conversations with all kinds of people in a wide range of jobs and industries we take a microscopic look at what it takes to make change. We look at why change is sometimes feared and at other times celebrated, what it takes to have a change-focused mindset and how we can be creating tomorrow’s change today.

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When we think of change, we tend to think of the end result - the big, visible thing that is really different from how it started. But in reality, change is the culmination of thousands of moments over time. The seeds of the next decade’s huge changes in our world are being sown today. How to Change the World features interviews with the people that are sowing those seeds. Through conversations with all kinds of people in a wide range of jobs and industries we take a microscopic look at what it takes to make change. We look at why change is sometimes feared and at other times celebrated, what it takes to have a change-focused mindset and how we can be creating tomorrow’s change today.

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Important conversations

By GLGrombacher - Jul 16 2019
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Catherine does a great job guiding her guests, the show is fun and highly informative!

Inspiring and real

By VOTECJW - Mar 17 2018
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Candid conversation with leaders and fascinating people

iTunes Ratings

52 Ratings
Average Ratings
51
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0
1
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Important conversations

By GLGrombacher - Jul 16 2019
Read more
Catherine does a great job guiding her guests, the show is fun and highly informative!

Inspiring and real

By VOTECJW - Mar 17 2018
Read more
Candid conversation with leaders and fascinating people
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How to Change the World

Latest release on Nov 10, 2020

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When we think of change, we tend to think of the end result - the big, visible thing that is really different from how it started. But in reality, change is the culmination of thousands of moments over time. The seeds of the next decade’s huge changes in our world are being sown today. How to Change the World features interviews with the people that are sowing those seeds. Through conversations with all kinds of people in a wide range of jobs and industries we take a microscopic look at what it takes to make change. We look at why change is sometimes feared and at other times celebrated, what it takes to have a change-focused mindset and how we can be creating tomorrow’s change today.

Rank #1: Ep. 116 How organizations can create space for impacting societal change with international leadership consultant Melissa Lamson

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Melissa Lamson has worked across the globe with some of the biggest name brands - LinkedIn, Volkswagen and Porsche, to name a few. And what she has learned is the power that organizations can leverage when they invest in their people. She shares with Catherine the signs of high and low performing teams, and what it looks like to transform from the latter into the former. She shares her own background with wanting to impact structural inequities, and how she has found her own path to doing just that.

May 26 2020

54mins

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Rank #2: Ep. 40 Sandro Galea - An apple a day...

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When you think of health, what do you picture? A hospital? A doctor? This week on How to Change the World we're out to change your perception on what it really means to be "healthy". 

We sit down with Dr. Sandro Galea, dean and professor at the Boston University School of Public Health, to talk about what it means to be healthy. Dr. Galea, one of Time Magazine's top scientific minds, brings together the social, economic and environmental conditions that lead to health in our conversation and in his new book Well: What we need to talk about when we talk about health.

Oct 30 2018

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Rank #3: Ep. 55 MYB - Thrive by Arianna Huffington

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Are you thriving? This week on the Mind Your Business Bookclub podcast we discuss Thrive: The Third Metric to Redefining Success and Creating a Life of Well-Being, Wisdom, and Wonder by Arianna Huffington. We'll give you a hint. If you're only getting 5 hours of sleep – you're not thriving. Join us as we talk about what it means to thrive, how to find wonder in your life and why success is more than just money.

Feb 12 2019

1hr 2mins

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Rank #4: Ep 74. Zach Kramer - How understanding civil rights differently could advance equity in America

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Interim Dean of Arizona State University's Law School and author of the recently published Outsiders, Professor Zachary Kramer, thinks we should understand human rights violations differently. He talks to Catherine about the power of recognizing rights and identity on an individual basis rather than in groups, as well as a whole lot of other things: leadership, powerful listening, storytelling in the law, and the secret to being a great lawyer.

Jul 02 2019

1hr 6mins

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Rank #5: Ep. 65 Jo Ellen Caldwell - YWCA Phoenix Tribute to Leadership: First Responder Honoree

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Jo Ellen Caldwell has led a trailblazing career and is currently a Captain and Paramedic with the Phoenix Fire Department. You name it and she's done it: martial arts, kickboxing, a Doctorate in Physical Therapy, working every position on a fire truck, and so much more. She's committed to empowering and building up others so they can achieve their goals, and her work has earned her the distinction of being the 2019 YWCA First Responder Honoree.

You can learn about Jo Ellen and her incredible journey on the YWCA website

Apr 23 2019

48mins

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Rank #6: Ep. 99 Arizona Superintendent of Public Instruction Kathy Hoffman: How to do things differently and follow your own path for change

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Kathy Hoffman was teaching in a public school when she was inspired and driven to run for public office. While many told her to start small, she had her heart set on the place that touches teachers and students statewide: the office of the Superintendent of Public Instruction. Kathy talks with Catherine about everything she's learned about creating change in our community, from the moment she first thought about running to today, as she gets ready to head into her second year as the Superintendent of Arizona's schools. Trust us when we say you don't want to miss this one and all of the knowledge gems it includes.

Dec 24 2019

53mins

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Rank #7: Ep. 63 MYB - Good to Great by Jim Collins

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On this month's Mind Your Business Book Club episode, we're covering one of the most highly regarded and recommended business books out there: Good to Great by Jim Collins.

We dive into the main concepts covered and what we learned about leadership, the application of new technologies, and the importance of maintaining hope while facing harsh realities.

Apr 09 2019

57mins

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Rank #8: Ep. 75 Leading a Great Team: Examining Leaders Eat Last by Simon Sinek

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Ever wondered why some teams flounder while others change the world? Legal mastermind and political changemaker Bob Lord joins Javelina partners Catherine Alonzo and David Waid on this week's episode of How to Change the World to discuss Simon Sinek's Leaders Eat Last, which lays out a 21st-century approach to transformational leadership in action. We discuss the top takeaways from Sinek's best-seller and dig into how it can help you make a difference at work. 

Jul 09 2019

49mins

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Rank #9: Ep. 97 How to cultivate braver, more daring leadership: Dare to Lead by Brenè Brown

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This month, Catherine and David are joined by business leader and coach Eileen Rogers, who is certified in Brenè Brown's transformational Dare to Lead training program, to discuss the famed author's latest book: Dare to Lead. Five-time #1 New York Times bestselling author Brenè Brown has spent the past two decades studying the emotions and experiences that give meaning to our lives. Her work on perfectionism and shame have made her a household name and have generated organizational transformation around the globe. David, Catherine and Eileen delve into the core teachable and learnable skills that Brown has discovered lie beneath daring leadership - and discuss how to enact them in our own lives.

Dec 10 2019

1hr 15mins

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Rank #10: Ep. 96 U and Improved Founder Jodi Low: How to turn ugly surprises into beautiful life-changing gifts

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On a very normal day eleven years ago, Jodi read a text message that irreversibly changed the course of her life forever. Today, she leads U and Improved, an award-winning leadership development and training company that offers hands-on experiential training for Fortune 500 companies, small and medium-sized businesses, and individuals who want to learn, grow and improve. Jodi shares with Catherine that heart-stopping moment that changed it all, and what lies at the center of our innate ability to choose to live the life we want.

Dec 03 2019

51mins

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Rank #11: Ep. 90 Purpose-driven social media influencer Claudia Alvarado: How to manifest transformational change in the lives of yourself and others

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Claudia Alvarado is a social media influencer on a mission. As a survivor of sexual abuse, she wants to help women trapped in a cycle of self-destructive behaviors break free from the shame that confines them, and help them realize that they, in fact, are enough. Claudia shares her own story of an ultimate breakdown that led her to seek treatment, and the unexpected breakthrough that changed her life forever, as well as her advice for anyone looking to make transformational change in their own lives.

Oct 22 2019

45mins

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Rank #12: Ep. 57 - The times they are a changin'

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We've got so much change we want to share This week on the podcast Catherine, Ariel and Taylor discuss the recent changes at Javelina. In this episode we say some goodbyes, praise our new office, discuss all our new hiring and even tease a little something special that's coming up. You won't want to miss this podcast full of twists and turns.

Feb 25 2019

43mins

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Rank #13: Ep. 59 MYB - Rebel Talent by Francesca Gino

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This month’s book is Rebel Talent by Francesca Gino. Catherine Alonzo, Ariel Reyes, and special guest David Waid sit down for a chat about nonconformity in the workplace and life, and how we all can embrace a bit of rebellion.

Mar 12 2019

54mins

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Rank #14: Ep. 102 How to achieve remarkable success by being a giver: discussing Give and Take by Adam Grant

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This month, Catherine is joined by Blake Hardison, founding member of Keyser, an innovative commercial real estate firm that exclusively represents tenants and owner occupants in real estate transactions.  Blake has completed over a quarter billion dollars’ worth of commercial real estate transactions and has helped grow the firm from 5 to 50 people since 2013.  

What’s noteworthy about Blake is that he is committed to giving his time, talent, and energy to better those around him.  Although it may seem counter-intuitive, he believes that the greatest amount of personal success comes from selflessly serving others.  In fact, Blake sent Catherine a copy of Give and Take by Adam Grant when they first met, which is why she invited him to join her to talk about Grant's argument that in professional interactions, it turns out that most people operate as either givers, takers, or matchers. Whereas takers strive to get as much as possible from others and matchers aim to trade evenly, givers are the rare breed of people who contribute to others without expecting anything from them in return. Learn why givers are the least AND most sucessful among us, and how to implement giving into your own work life and culture.

Jan 14 2020

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Rank #15: Ep. 88 Self Management Expert Sara Mayer: How to organize your time to create the life you want and change the world at the same time

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Sara Mayer is a philanthropist and community change agent, the Operations Director for one of the most well known nonprofits in the nation, and a foster mom. When Catherine first read her bio, she thought: "How does she do it all?" The answer, it turns out, is what Sara calls Self Management. Hear Sara's remarkable story about how personal loss gave her an insatiable thirst for living life, and how self management enables her to do just that. Catherine and Sara talk about managing your email, getting to know your own needs, the power of reflection, and how to master these important skillsets so that you are the master of your own life. When it comes to time management and task management, you will take away powerful insights that you can action today. Been feeling burned out? Stop everything and listen to this now.

Oct 08 2019

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Rank #16: Ep. 66 Candi CdeBaca - Why she's running to change Denver

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Candi CdeBaca is a fifth generation Denverite running for Denver City Council District 9. We talk about her amazing campaign, her vision for Denver, and why she's running to make a change. She's so inspiring and we hope you can listen in and learn about her experiences, and how we can all show up to make a difference in the world.

Apr 30 2019

48mins

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Rank #17: Ep. 92 5-time cancer survivor and warrior for marriage equality Kevin Patterson: How to respond when change happens to you

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Kevin Patterson is a true warrior for change - and his story is remarkable. A five-time cancer survivor, adoptive father to two girls, plaintiff in the lawsuit that toppled Arizona's gay marriage ban in 2013, and a former candidate for elected office, Kevin has faced more change in the past decade than many people do in a life time. He shares his fascinating tale with Catherine, as well as the lessons he learned every step of the way.

Nov 05 2019

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Rank #18: Ep. 83 Murphy Herbert - AZ Secretary of State Communications Director Murphy Hebert: How to foster self-worth and find life-changing mentors

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This episode is a must-listen for anyone who has ever felt less. If you've ever struggled with setting your own boundaries, have worried you're not good enough, or been plagued by imposter syndrome, then take the time to listen to Murphy's story.  Murphy shares her own personal experiences of how she has come to recognize her own agency, and develop the skillset to know her own worth in every job and every relationship. Catherine and Murphy reflect on the power of getting to know (and love) yourself in anyone's ability to create change in the world. They also discuss the power of mentorship, how to be a mentor and how to find a mentor. And if you're someone who loves cat memes, there's something in here for you too.

Sep 03 2019

59mins

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Rank #19: Ep. 43 Jose Acevedo - Finding your way to change

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This week on How To Change the World, we've got a very special interview in store. We sat down with Jose Acevedo, the Host and Founder of the Finding Arizona Podcast: a weekly podcast that interviews local business owners.

 We discuss his story growing up on the Hopi reservation, the amazing community we have right in our backyard, and podcasts as a medium for sharing incredible stories. We suggest cleaning your ears for this one, you don't want to miss a thing!

Nov 19 2018

58mins

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Rank #20: Ep. 78 Forest Melton - The emotional intelligence it takes to create change

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Have you ever wished a friend or family member would change their actions or make different choices? Have you ever withheld the truth from a friend because you are scared of rocking the boat? This week, Catherine talks to Forest Melton about the emotional intelligence it takes to create change - and how to develop it. Forest is a cancer researcher, a passionate crusader for nonprofits, and the 2019 Leukemia Lymphoma Society's Man of the Year.

Jul 30 2019

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Ep. 128 "What Now?" Three commitments for making community change in the aftermath of 2020

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Join Catherine for a solo round as she talks about how you and your team can commit to making change in the face of everything that 2020 has exposed, from deep partisan divides to vulnerable public health to systemic racism. No matter how overwhelming and fruitless the fight might seem right now, she offers tangible tools you and your team can use in your work today, in order to create a world where equity and human dignity are no longer the exception.

Nov 10 2020

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Ep. 127 What the 2020 election means for social change with Jennifer Epps-Addison

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Catherine is joined by Jennifer Epps-Addison, the President and Co-Executive Director of the Center for Popular Democracy, a national organization that works to create equity, opportunity and a dynamic democracy in partnership with high-impact, grassroots organizations across the nation. Jennifer shares her own path to activism, as well as the Center for Popular Democracy's philosophy of how we create community change. Don't miss this conversation if you're wondering what the 2020 election means for creating social impact, both in the immediate and long-range views.

Oct 28 2020

45mins

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Ep. 126 How to practice powerful self care in challenging times with psychologist Daniel Birichi

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Looking after ourselves is perhaps one of the most important cornerstones of creating change in the world. You've heard the old adage that you must put your own oxygen mask on before you can tend to others? Well, sometimes it might be easier said than done. Catherine quizzes her close friend and excellent psychologist Daniel Birichi about how to practice effective self care, how to strengthen your emotional intelligence skillset and what supporting the mental health of yourself and others looks like in 2020. Take a time out and grab a listen.

Oct 13 2020

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Ep. 125 Why NOW is the time for strategic planning and how to do it

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Whether your team includes two people or 100, strategic planning is a vital component in your long term strategy for making an impact. A strategic plan is an organized, intentional way of gathering input from all members of your organization to develop realistic and attainable goals that will steer your team towards success. It essentially functions as your magnum opus — housing the purpose, strategy and core values that guide your operation in the present day and for years to come. Catherine reviews why NOW is an essential time for any change-making team to invest time in strategic planning, and how to craft an effective process. Visit http://bit.ly/HTCTWPlan to download our comprehensive strategic planning checklist!

Sep 29 2020

27mins

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Ep. 124 Institutional Racism, COVID-19 and Health in America with epidemiologist Dr. Sandro Galea

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Catherine is joined by Dr. Sandro Galea, Dean of Boston University School of Public Health and epidemiologist, to discuss what 2020 has exposed about health in America and how we can create change when it comes to health and living for everyone - not just the privileged few. They talk about institutional racism and health in our country, how rates of depression have tripled in the past 6 months (and what to do about it), and what the coming months hold in the fight against COVID-19.

Sep 15 2020

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Ep. 123 Mayor of Tucson Regina Romero: How to lead in times of crisis

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Catherine talks to the first female and first Latina Mayor of Tucson, Regina Romero, about how she came to make history from growing up in a small border town in Arizona. She shares what it has been like to lead during these crazy times and what she thinks it is going to take to make our communities stronger, safe and healthier - for everyone.

Sep 01 2020

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Ep. 122 Finding your core personal values with Chesa Mendez

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Knowing your core values and using them in your leadership and social change work is a core skill that impactful leaders harness and develop, and yet as leaders we rarely have the opportunity to truly laser in on what our core values are and the behaviors that extend from them in everyday life. In this interactive session, Catherine leads professional coach and habits expert Chesa in an exploration of her core personal values, with amazing results. Follow along and explore your own core values to unlock unlimited possibilities for your change work.

Aug 18 2020

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Ep. 121 Commit to the Sh*t: How to get through the hard stuff to make meaningful change with Lloyd Hopkins

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Lloyd Hopkins is the 2020 winner of the Influential People Creating Change Award for Javelina’s inaugural How to Change the World Awards and the founder of the Million Dollar Teacher Project, a nonprofit organization dedicated to supporting the very foundation of our education system: Teachers. Lloyd and Catherine talk about the power every individual has to make change, how to stay committed when your motivation wanes, and the three essential ingredients for creating culture shifts in our society today.

Aug 04 2020

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Ep. 120: How to lead a team through hard times: What the Javelina crew have learned from the last few months

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Catherine shares three foundational lessons she has learned about leading a team through difficult times, and then is joined by VP of Digital Strategy Josh Zaragoza and Strategic Growth and Project Manager Alana Campbell, who share their perspectives on how teams can show up for each other and your community in challenging times. Take a listen for tangible and easy-to-implement tips that your team can use right away.

Jul 21 2020

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Ep. 119 Using Kindness as a skill in anti-racism work and amid COVID with Ben's Bells founder Jeannette Maré

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Catherine is joined by How to Change the World fan favorite (and our very first guest!) Jeannette Maré, the founder and former Executive Director of Ben's Bells, an organization dedicated to educating about the transformative practice of intentional kindness. Jeannette and Catherine talk about how you can use kindness in your daily work confronting Coronavirus and institutional racism, how it is different than niceness or empathy, and tangible steps you can take today to build your own kindness skillset.

Jul 07 2020

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Ep. 118 Community Organizer and Advocate Peter Sargent

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Peter Sargent is an organizer. And no, that doesn't mean he's really good at folding shirts and cleaning closets. In his own words, it means he empowers members of communities that are negatively impacted by a societal problem to speak up and create change. Whether it's climate change or gun violence, Peter seeks to bring the underrepresented to the table and ensure the story of their experience is told. In telling his own story, Peter shares with Catherine the three things that enables him to be an effective change maker and the vital ingredients that go into transforming communities.

Jun 23 2020

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Ep. 117 Your Communications Checklist: How to craft effective messaging in turbulent times

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Amid national protests in the aftermath of the murder of George Floyd and countless others at the hands of a corrupt, racist system designed to ground down and enslave black Americans, and the ongoing impacts of the Coronavirus pandemic, intentional, values-driven communications has never been more important for organizations focused on creating systemic change. Catherine shares our Communications Checklist - ten vital things you need for effective storytelling in the near- and long-view.

Your Coronavirus Communications Checklist

Jun 09 2020

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Ep. 116 How organizations can create space for impacting societal change with international leadership consultant Melissa Lamson

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Melissa Lamson has worked across the globe with some of the biggest name brands - LinkedIn, Volkswagen and Porsche, to name a few. And what she has learned is the power that organizations can leverage when they invest in their people. She shares with Catherine the signs of high and low performing teams, and what it looks like to transform from the latter into the former. She shares her own background with wanting to impact structural inequities, and how she has found her own path to doing just that.

May 26 2020

54mins

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Ep. 115 The Do’s and Don’ts of Fundraising, Selling and Storytelling amid COVID-19

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For business, nonprofits, and political campaigns, taking a communication break amid the complexities of COVID-19 might sound tempting, but it could more likely be damaging. In this episode, Catherine shares insight on the Do’s and Don’t of Fundraising, Selling, and Storytelling amid COVID-19. Connect with us on social media if you have any questions about how to honor your mission while meeting your fundraising goals.

May 12 2020

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Ep. 114 Understanding Autism and our communities with SARRC President Daniel Openden

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Daniel Openden is the President and CEO of SARRC (Southwest Autism Research & Resource Center), an internationally recognized nonprofit that conducts innovative research, provides evidence-based practices, disseminates effective training and builds inclusive communities for individuals with autism and their families. Daniel talks to Catherine about his path to his current career, the state of autism research today, and how shifting our mindset toward people with disabilities can transform communities.

Apr 28 2020

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Ep. 113 How to align your spending with your values: Real Impact by Morgan Simon

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Today, Catherine is joined by Nate Rhoton, her good friend and Executive Director of one.n.ten, an amazing organization that provides a wide range of support services for LGBTQ youth in Arizona. Together, they delve into Real Impact by Morgan Simon. Real Impact is all about impact investment, a little-known trillion dollar industry. Impact investment entails supporting social and environmental projects with a financial return, and in the next decade is poised to eclipse traditional charitable giving ten times over. Catherine and Nate review Simon's ideas about the potential strengths, opportunities and pitfalls of the sector, and how they relate to their own day-to-day change-focused work.

Apr 14 2020

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Ep. 112 Leveraging Digital Tactics in an Increasingly Online World

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Right now, the future feels full of unknowns. As the world comes together to fight COVID-19, many businesses, nonprofits, and political campaigns are drastically restructuring their methods of outreach, and it can be incredibly daunting. We share 7 tangible ways you can utilize digital and online tactics to serve your community at this time.

Apr 10 2020

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Ep. 111 AZ Secretary of State Katie Hobbs: How elections shape social change at every level

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Katie Hobbs started her professional career as a social worker before a friend suggested she might want to explore running for office. She first ran for the AZ House of Representatives, then the Arizona Senate, before running successfully for Secretary of State of Arizona in 2018. She shares with Catherine the pivotal moment that changed the trajectory of her entire life, how administering elections impacts all important issues, and what her experience has taught her are the three vital ingredients for creating social change. Trust us, you don't want to miss this one.

Mar 31 2020

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Ep. 110 Crafting your organization's Coronavirus response plan

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As COVID-19 and its social, psychological, and economic impacts unfold on a daily basis, organizations are facing wide-ranging tough decisions about all aspects of your work. Answers are hard to craft against a backdrop of breaking news alerts and disparate opinions about best practices around the world. In this solo-round episode, Catherine reviews how to develop an adaptive response plan drawn from your core values. Connect with us @javelinaco on social media if you have questions about developing a values-based response plan to COVID-19. 

Mar 17 2020

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Ep. 109 The importance of understanding your opposition with Margaret Tyndall, former CEO of YWCA USA

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Margaret Tyndall joins us as the third of four 2020 YWCA of Metropolitan Phoenix Tribute to Leadership honorees. Margaret served as the CEO of YWCA Pittsburgh for 23 years (1977-2000), as CEO of YWCA USA for two years (2000-2002) and has resided in Arizona for the past 13 years. She shares with Catherine the pivotal moment in her life that created a passion for YWCA's core mission of empowering women and eliminating racism, the job ad that changed the trajectory of her career, and everything she has learned about creating change along the way - including the importance of getting curious about whatever stands between you and creating the change you seek to make.

Mar 03 2020

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iTunes Ratings

52 Ratings
Average Ratings
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Important conversations

By GLGrombacher - Jul 16 2019
Read more
Catherine does a great job guiding her guests, the show is fun and highly informative!

Inspiring and real

By VOTECJW - Mar 17 2018
Read more
Candid conversation with leaders and fascinating people