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The Modern Therapist's Survival Guide with Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy

The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide: Where Therapists Live, Breathe, and Practice as Human BeingsIt’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when clinicians must develop a personal brand to market their private practices, and are connecting over social media, engaging in social activism, pushing back against mental health stigma, and facing a whole new style of entrepreneurship.To support you as a whole person, a business owner, and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.

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Vulnerability, Mistakes, and The Impostor Syndrome

It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age. In this episode we talk about: Vulnerability, self-judgment and the Impostor Syndrome Being a human being in the room, while holding boundaries How to cope with clients responding to you, not just “therapy” or “mental health stigma” Handling mistakes and making repair (and avoiding blaming your clients) The scourge of perfectionism Claiming your whole self (even the goofy parts) What boundaries you should hold related to telling your own story Inviting feedback from your clients How being available 24/7 has increased vulnerability Resources mentioned: We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. No specific resources were mentioned in this episode because we’re just plain lazy. Want to read about vulnerability? Try anything by Brene Brown – she is fabulous!!   Who we are: Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. A Quick Note: Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when Katie is speaking for Curt – which, let’s face it, is in everyone’s best interest.   Stay in Touch: www.mtsgpodcast.com https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/ https://twitter.com/therapymovement   Credits: Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/ Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/

29mins

5 Dec 2017

Rank #1

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Compassion Fatigue

It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age. Interview with Jennifer Blough, LPC Jennifer Blough is a licensed professional counselor, certified compassion fatigue therapist, certified pet loss grief recovery specialist, and the owner of Deepwater Counseling in southeast Michigan. In addition to counseling individuals and couples, she presents compassion fatigue workshops to animal welfare and veterinary organizations. She is the author of the book To Save a Starfish: A Compassion Fatigue Workbook for the Animal Welfare Warrior, and the host of The Compassion Fatigue Podcast. In this episode we talk about: The symptoms of compassion fatigue and how to recognize it Jen’s story and how she became a therapist for animal welfare professionals The buffers for “the normal cost of caring” Self-care and support Compassion satisfaction (getting joy from your work) Focusing her practice on animal welfare professionals and pet loss, without closing herself off to others who she can help The unique challenges of animal welfare professionals and how to support these people with the constant grief and loss associated with caring for animals Considerations for therapists working with animal welfare professionals The vegan lifestyle and how it intersects with the clinical work Suggestions for self-care and coping with compassion fatigue Animal rights activism How to empower yourself rather than traumatize yourself in doing the research and work to support your passion and mission How anger, depression, guilt, and isolation can increase the impact of compassion fatigue Resources mentioned: We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. The Green Cross Compassion Fatigue Therapist Certification Pet Loss Grief Recovery Specialist Certification The Compassion Fatigue Podcast Deepwater Counseling  Our events: The Brand Called “You”: Legal and Ethical Issues in Developing Your Personal Brand The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!! Who we are: Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more about Curt at www.curtwidhalm.com. Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more about Katie at www.katievernoy.com. A Quick Note: Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it. Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey. Stay in Touch: www.mtsgpodcast.com https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/ https://twitter.com/therapymovement https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/ Credits: Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/ Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/

29mins

8 Feb 2018

Rank #2

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How to BE a Therapist

Curt and Katie talk about Person of the Therapist training. We talk about a revolutionary training model that starts with who a therapist is and what will come up for them as a therapist – rather than setting unreasonable expectations of blank, neutral, perfect therapists.            It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age. In this episode we talk about: Person of the Therapist training – addressing the whole person therapist The work of Dr. Harry Aponte at Drexel University Looking at how pulling from your own history can impact how you approach the work in the room The importance of finding your own personal themes and challenges, owning your own story Innovative classes that start graduate programs with personal growth and insight Normalizing reactions and individual differences from the beginning of our education How close the line can be between education and therapy The fallacy that therapists can be blank or neutral The drive toward Evidence Based Practices The depth of supervision that occurs when focusing on the person of the therapist The problem of siloed areas of the field and how bringing it back into the same room The vulnerability required for the depth of this work The ability to increase maturity of the therapist more quickly through this type of work The importance of structure and containment to do this type of work Teaching self-awareness and self-monitoring The power of building supportive community to do work more in the open, to decrease shame and perfectionism Learning how to give respectful, structured, effective feedback – exercising your empathy muscle How building resilience and connection can improve the profession as a whole Increasing distress tolerance and capacity for taking feedback Looking at the benefit of doing this work at all stages in your career   Resources mentioned: We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Dr. Harry J Aponte Person of the Therapist Training Model by Dr. Harry Aponte Claudio & Watson: Perceived impact of the Person of the Therapist Training model on Drexel University Master of Family Therapy postgraduates’ clinical work Kissil, Carneiro, & Aponte: Beyond duality: The relationship between the personal and the professional selves of the therapist in the Person of the Therapist Training Watson: Doing it right: Branding the Person of the Therapist Training model in Drexel University’s Master of Family Therapy program Aponte & Ingram: Person of the Therapist supervision: Reflections of a therapist and supervisor on empathic-identification and differentiation   Relevant Episodes: Therapists in Therapy Impaired Therapists That’s Unethical Therapist Haters and Trolls Connect with us! Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2020 (and TR2019 Virtual Conference)   Our consultation services: The Fifty-Minute Hour   Who we are: Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com A Quick Note: Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it. Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.   Stay in Touch: www.mtsgpodcast.com www.therapyreimagined.com Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Group https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/ https://twitter.com/therapymovement https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/   Credits: Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/ Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/

34mins

25 Nov 2019

Rank #3

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Managing Your Online Reputation

It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age. In this episode we talk about: How to proactively create a positive online reputation Managing Google – considering what people will find under your name Clinical mechanisms to get consistent feedback (and of course, Curt talks about Scott Miller) Claiming your profiles to track reviews and ensure accurate information How to professionally address negative feedback Making sure to do self-assessment when getting constructive criticism Managing One Star reviews on Yelp, Healthgrades, etc. Engaging appropriately in Therapist Facebook groups The Screenshot Test from TIPP The internet is forever and all of your interactions can potentially impact your online rep Resources mentioned: We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Rate and Review our Podcast on iTunes!! APA (American Psychological Association) article: One-Star Therapy? by Jamie Chamberlain CAMFT (California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists) article: You, Yelp, and Social Media by Alain Montgomery, JD (requires CAMFT member access) TIPP (Therapists in Private Practice) Facebook Group The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide NEW Facebook Group!! The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!   Who we are: Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: curtwidhalm.com. Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: katievernoy.com. A Quick Note: Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it. Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.   Stay in Touch: www.mtsgpodcast.com www.therapyreimagined.com https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/ https://twitter.com/therapymovement https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/   Credits: Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/ Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/

28mins

9 Jan 2018

Rank #4

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Making Bank as a Therapist

Curt and Katie talk with Tiffany McLain about the difficulty therapists have in charging enough to make a living, how ignoring money means you’re missing stuff in the clinical work, and ideas on how to shift your mindset to make bank. It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age. Interview with Tiffany McLain, LMFT Tiffany McLain, MFT is a therapist & consultant whose mantra is, “Full fees are the new black.” Via her business, www.heytiffany.com, she helps therapists in private practice overcome their shame about marketing and making bank so they can help the clients they are truly passionate about serving. She’s been featured in Psychology Today Magazine, Psych Central, Huffington Post, KGO Radio, SF Weekly and Forbes. In this episode we talk about: The reasons that therapists have such a hard time charging for therapy How therapists being upwardly mobile can impact their money issues How many therapists are often marginalized and upwardly mobile, which can impact our tendency to sacrifice ourselves and put ourselves into the role of martyr The zero-sum game that a lot of people think is true (but really is not) Working through your money story and your identity around money Shifting your mindset around money Why we have a difficult time charging full fee The culture of shame regarding talking about money Money as a symbol of reality and of death When clinicians are not addressing money stuff they are missing stuff in the clinical work The danger of pretending that we don’t have needs, limitations, etc. and how that leads to unrealistic expectations for the clinician How to give back and still make the living that you want Why not everyone needs to go into private practice Tiffany’s story of not fitting in and creating her own tribe How she navigated having a strong brand in her coaching while doing psychoanalytic work in her therapy practice How Tiffany works with therapy and coaching clients How therapists get in their own way – getting their fees wrong, not leaning in  Resources mentioned: We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Tiffany’s Program: Lean in Make Bank Fun with Fees Calculator Profit First by Mike Michalowicz Our Next Event: The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!! Our consultation services: The Fifty-Minute Hour Who we are: Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more about Curt at www.curtwidhalm.com. Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more about Katie at www.katievernoy.com. A Quick Note: Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it. Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey. Stay in Touch: www.mtsgpodcast.com https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/ https://twitter.com/therapymovement https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/ Credits: Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/ Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/

31mins

23 Jul 2018

Rank #5

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Millennials as Therapists

Curt and Katie talk about generational differences in therapists, looking at perceptions (and misperceptions) about Millennials We look at how these differences impact therapy workplaces, supervision, and the future of our field.     It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age. In this episode we talk about: Whether or not Curt is a Millennial Looking at how millennials show up as employees and entrepreneurs Generational differences in therapists Common complaint of millennials being entitled Living life now versus earning your stripes and waiting on retirement The Four-Hour Work Week Curt’s theory that Millennials have perfected the dream of the Gen X-ers The impact of technology on growing up in different generations Looking at the impact of the recession on the perspective on how to navigate work The “young upstart” mythology that gets under Boomers’ skin Gaining confidence earlier due to the access to immense amounts of data that wasn’t around when X-ers and Boomers were growing up Teaching as equals versus teaching as a superior, looking at collaborative learning The difference between therapy as work and other professions The further we remove the therapist from having creativity and ownership from the work, the less value they will get from the work. The importance of real application of concepts in our education The tension of enough structured guidance versus enough collaboration/empowerment Avoiding the helicoptering (supervision, management, etc.) How technology is impacting the work The importance of grounding innovation in laws, ethics, and clinical excellence How coaching might impact our profession, whether there is harm with people jumping to coaching without credentials or training Instagram Therapists Different goals for different generations, namely the scourge of selling out Whether or not Gen X-ers have actually sold old How things have changed in marketing and how that has impacted newer therapists When you can claim “expert” status How strong entrepreneurs can potentially harm the profession   Our Generous Sponsors: SimplePractice Trusted by over 40,000 customers, SimplePractice creates software and services for health and wellness professionals. Its EHR empowers practices to run their businesses more efficiently, streamlining administrative tasks, enabling regulatory compliance, and improving documentation. Learn more by going to www.simplepractice.com/therapyreimagined . You can also sign up and receive a special promotion of getting 3 months of SimplePractice for the price of 1. Please note, this offer is valid for new customers only.  Become a Group Guru Learn how to fill a group in private practice without coffee dates or networking events, even if no one in your community knows your name yet and you have no idea where to start.  Free trainings and resources (like a free 5-day group jump start guide with your step-by-step plan to creating the group your ideal clients are ready to enroll in today) at www.becomeagroupguru.com.   Resources mentioned: We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. The Four Hour Work Week by Tim Ferriss Saving Psychotherapy by Ben Caldwell   Relevant Episodes: Is CBT Crap? All Kinds of Burnout The Dividing Line Between Coaching and Therapy The Brand Called You Connect with us! Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group Therapy Reimagined 2019   Our consultation services: The Fifty-Minute Hour   Who we are: Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com A Quick Note: Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it. Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.   Stay in Touch: www.mtsgpodcast.com www.therapyreimagined.com Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Group https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/ https://twitter.com/therapymovement https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/   Credits: Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/ Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/

46mins

2 Sep 2019

Rank #6

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Is CBT Crap?

Curt and Katie talk about evidence-based practices, clinician training, and when even the evidence base can go wrong.      It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age. In this episode we talk about: How we know better than the evidence The need for evidence-based practice in community mental health Funding, efficiency, and diagnosis The difference between the clientele in public mental health and private practice Evidence-based practices pros and cons The science, the efficacy, replicability of EBPs The pros and cons of EBPs in community mental health The need to include individual factors in EBPs EBPs versus relational style (and how they may not be mutually exclusive) The question about personality characteristics of CBT therapists The opinion about rapport being missing from EBPs How training jumps to EBP, to the detriment of the relationship The problem with people who overuse or oversimplify the need for each orientation Strong clinical orientation versus the “eclectic” or “integrative” psychotherapy The Medical Model The challenge of training therapists in relational skills and how to be a better therapist, rather than teaching specific handful of skills The importance of proving efficacy, getting funding for services Treatment decision-making and collaboration in public mental health versus private practice The complexity of actual clients and the need for more than just one EBP to use for treatment The problems with new clinician training related to EBPs Resources mentioned: We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Dr. Scott Miller: Feedback Informed Treatment Dr. Ben Caldwell Modern Community Mental Health: An Interdisciplinary Approach by Kenneth Yeager, David Cutler, Dale Svendsen, and Grayce M. Sills Relevant Episodes: Therapist Know Thyself Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group Therapy Reimagined 2019 Our CALL FOR SPEAKERS!! Our consultation services: The Fifty-Minute Hour   Who we are: Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com A Quick Note: Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it. Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.   Stay in Touch: www.mtsgpodcast.com www.therapyreimagined.com Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Group https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/ https://twitter.com/therapymovement https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/   Credits: Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/ Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/

32mins

6 May 2019

Rank #7

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The Danger of Poor Self-Care for Therapists

It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age. In this episode we talk about: The definitions of self-care Legal and ethical codes require clinician self-care Why self-care is hard for therapists Active versus passive self-care Proactive versus reactive self-care Specific risks and strategies to overcome them Resources mentioned: We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Netflix Wine Napping Who we are: Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. A Quick Note: Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it. Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.   Stay in Touch: www.mtsgpodcast.com https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/ https://twitter.com/therapymovement https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/   Credits: Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/ Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/

27mins

28 Dec 2017

Rank #8

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All Kinds of Burned Out

Curt and Katie talk about the different types of burnout. We look at the differences between employee and entrepreneur burnout, including how to prevent it and how to treat it. It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age. In this episode we talk about: The difference between burnout for employees and entrepreneurs How the different nature of how we work impacts how/why we burn out Employee burnout: cog in the machine, dehumanization, lack of agency Entrepreneur burnout: hustling for income, decision fatigue, facing change with rigidity How to prevent the different types of burnout The importance for putting systems in place to decrease the tendency for entrepreneurial burnout When passion and obsessive efforts can also cause burnout The danger of having a lack of balance between passion and rest or personal life Types of burnout – overload, underchallenged, neglect Moral Injury, locus of control, and the impact of unhealthy work environments The challenges of having to work outside of our “zone of genius” in starting a private practice Different types of shame related to impostor syndrome, “hobby practice,” charging too much How excuses can get in the way Ideas on how to address burnout Our Generous Sponsor: This episode is sponsored by SimplePractice. SimplePractice is a HIPAA compliant all in one practice management platform where you can schedule appointments, use paperless intakes, file insurance claims, meet with clients remotely using our integrated Telehealth system, and do so much more.  Learn more by going to www.simplepractice.com/therapyreimagined . You can also sign up and receive a special promotion of getting 3 months of SimplePractice for the price of 1. Please note, this offer is valid for new customers only.    Resources mentioned: We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Tons of articles: https://www.mindgarden.com/maslach-burnout-inventory/686-mbi-manual-print.html https://www.apa.org/monitor/2018/02/ce-corner https://www.apa.org/education/ce/1360484 https://www.apa.org/helpcenter/road-resilience https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/tracking-wonder/201601/why-entrepreneurs-burn-out-and-what-do-about-it https://www.inc.com/melody-wilding/3-types-of-burnout-according-to-psychologists-and-signs-youre-headed-for-trouble.html https://hbr.org/2018/04/what-makes-entrepreneurs-burn-out https://www.inc.com/melody-wilding/3-types-of-burnout-according-to-psychologists-and-signs-youre-headed-for-trouble.html https://www.psychotherapynotes.com/self-care-is-great-if-you-can-afford-it/ Relevant Episodes: The Burnout System Addressing the Burnout Machine Connect with us! Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group Therapy Reimagined 2019 Our consultation services: The Fifty-Minute Hour   Who we are: Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com A Quick Note: Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it. Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.   Stay in Touch: www.mtsgpodcast.com www.therapyreimagined.com Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Group https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/ https://twitter.com/therapymovement https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/   Credits: Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/ Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/

37mins

29 Jul 2019

Rank #9

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What Therapists Get Wrong

It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age. Interview with Paul Gilmartin We so enjoyed talking with Paul! From 1995 to 2011 Paul Gilmartin co-hosted TBS’ Dinner and a Movie and has been a stand-up comedian since 1987. His credits include Comedy Central Presents: Paul Gilmartin, numerous Bob and Tom albums, comedy festivals and the Late Show with Craig Ferguson. Paul is a recovering alcoholic/addict and has been sober since 2003.  He is also an incest survivor and has been in treatment for depression since 1999.  He is a big believer in therapy and support groups. Paul hosts a weekly audio podcast, The Mental Illness Happy Hour, consisting of interviews with artists, friends, listeners and the occasional mental health professional about all the battles in our heads; from medically diagnosed conditions, past traumas and sexual dysfunction to everyday compulsive, negative thinking.   It gets about 600,000 downloads per month, has a 5/5 iTunes rating where it frequently occupies the top spot in Self-Help, was chosen by Esquire as one of the best podcasts of 2016 and is featured in the 2013 PBS Documentary "A New State of Mind." You can learn more about Paul and The Mental Illness Happy Hour podcast here: www.mentalpod.com. In this episode we talk about: How Paul’s experience of covert incest and battle with depression led to creating The Mental Illness Happy Hour Paul’s mission to decrease mental health stigma and provide a virtual support group The power of conversation and community The importance of empathy and validation How therapists connect best with their clients The survey Paul has on his website about what therapists are doing right and what they are really doing wrong. What therapists are often missing when they become distracted or forgetful How damaging it is when therapists minimize their client’s feelings, trauma, and abuse The importance of overcoming “you’re only nice to me because I pay you” for therapists   Resources mentioned: We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. The Mental Illness Happy Hour Podcast (Katie’s Episode on Mental Pod) The First Day in Therapy Survey Curt’s almost weekly mention of Scott Miller and his work The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!   Who we are: Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more about Curt at www.curtwidhalm.com. Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more about Katie at www.katievernoy.com. A Quick Note: Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it. Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey. Stay in Touch: www.mtsgpodcast.com https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/ https://twitter.com/therapymovement https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/ Credits: Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/ Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/

30mins

1 Feb 2018

Rank #10

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Social Media and Video Marketing for Therapists

We had a blast talking with Ernesto Segismundo Jr. M.S. LMFT, of Fylmit.com about all things social media and video marketing. Creating a therapist social media presence Legal and Ethical issues related to posting video content online  The importance of authenticity and genuineness for your personal brand How to get visibility on Social Media  Creating community and engagement with referral sources and colleagues online

28mins

9 Nov 2017

Rank #11

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How Much is TOO Much?

It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age. In this episode we talk about: When and how to talk about politics and religion Authenticity versus poor boundaries Countertransference, here and now feelings, and following the client’s lead Remembering that clients don’t have to hold confidentiality for us How and when to pull back the curtain about why you’re using a specific intervention Processing (without over-processing) shifts in the relationships, personal disclosure, and human interactions When to maintain objectivity and when to share your perspective and emotions Understanding how your appearance affects your clients Resources mentioned: We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. The Gift of Therapy by Irvin Yalom                                    Who we are: Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. A Quick Note: Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when Katie is speaking for Curt.   Stay in Touch: www.mtsgpodcast.com https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/ https://twitter.com/therapymovement   Credits: Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/ Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/

34mins

7 Dec 2017

Rank #12

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Managing Vicarious Trauma

It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age. Interview with Laura Reagan, LCSW-C Laura Reagan, LCSW-C is a clinical social worker specializing in complex trauma in her private practice outside of Baltimore, Maryland. She is also the host of Therapy Chat podcast. Laura offers individual and group consultation with clinicians who work with trauma focusing on addressing the impact of vicarious trauma, as well as creating a trauma-informed practice. Connect with Laura at www.laurareaganlcswc.com. In this episode we talk about: Laura’s story The definition of vicarious trauma Preparation to manage crisis intervention, trauma response work, and being on-call Self-care, debriefing, supportive supervision The cumulative effects of hearing about clients’ traumatic experiences Over-work and negative self-concept due to the need to keep people safe Decreasing feelings of competence and safety Distinction between vicarious trauma, burnout, and countertransference The fight or flight response related to secondary traumatic stress Offsetting the negative impacts of vicarious trauma Building community and connection The limits of incident debriefing and the need for therapists to process their own stuff that is brought up by vicarious trauma The importance of personal therapy, consultation Critical Incident Debriefing Taking care of yourself within a trauma-informed practice The danger of ignoring vicarious trauma (PTSD symptoms) Managing your emotions without shutting down or becoming disregulated Resources mentioned: We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Therapy Chat Podcast Simple Self-Care for Therapists by Ashley Davis Bush Trauma Stewardship by Laura van Dernoot Lipsky Laura Reagan’s Consultation Laura Reagan’s On-Line Trauma Therapist Community Laura’ Reagan’s In-Person Trauma Community Relevant MTSG Podcast Episodes: Therapist Safety The Danger of Poor Self-Care Our Next Event: The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!   Who we are: Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more about Curt at www.curtwidhalm.com. Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more about Katie at www.katievernoy.com. A Quick Note: Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it. Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey. Stay in Touch: www.mtsgpodcast.com https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/ https://twitter.com/therapymovement https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/

33mins

21 May 2018

Rank #13

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Ending Therapy

Curt and Katie talk about termination of treatment, both when it is planned and when it is unplanned. We look at best practices, challenges, and how to handle it the best way you can. It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age. In this episode we talk about: When to start talking about termination during treatment Setting expectations for the end of treatment How to address client’s instinct to “ghost” from treatment Normalizing the different paths to ending treatment Different reasons that you may not be able to complete treatment Planning ahead to diminish negative impacts of abrupt terminations that are out of your control Providing referrals, closure, and understanding that even that doesn’t always create positive outcomes The elements of a positive termination Managing expectations of what health and healing are and what would qualify someone to finish treatment Highlighting strengths and progress as well as on-going goals and challenges Acknowledging the relationship you’ve had with the client Processing your own response to the termination What to look at and learn when your client abruptly terminates Requesting termination sessions when someone decides to end suddenly – things to consider What to do when your client ghosts you Closing the client’s chart Our Generous Sponsor: Thanks again to our sponsor, SimplePractice! SimplePractice is an all in one platform where you can schedule appointments, use paperless intakes, file insurance claims, and meet with clients remotely using our integrated Telehealth system. Go to https://ter.li/tr2018 or https://ter.li/simple18 to sign up for a free 30-day trial. Because running your practice should be Simple, so you can do the work that really matters.   Resources mentioned: We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Therapy Reimagined 2019: Sign up here to get notified when the details are released. Our consultation services: The Fifty-Minute Hour   Who we are: Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com A Quick Note: Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it. Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.   Stay in Touch: www.mtsgpodcast.com www.therapyreimagined.com Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Group https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/ https://twitter.com/therapymovement https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/   Credits: Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/ Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/

34mins

29 Oct 2018

Rank #14

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Attracted Clients

Curt and Katie talk about what to do when your clients report sexual or romantic transference. We look at how to explore these feelings, how to set boundaries, and what you need to be cautious about.    It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age. In this episode we talk about: How normal it is that clients become attracted to their therapists. The level of safety and intimacy in therapy can be so attractive to clients that they become romantically attracted to their therapist. Examples of how this type of attraction can show up in the room The caution to wait to jump to “Are you hitting on me?” Looking at what is appropriate and inappropriate, especially given cultural differences How supervisors can advise their supervisees in these situations The difference between a misunderstood connection and physical attraction – and thoughts on how to handle each one How physical appearance can impact the pre-treatment expectations A study on Attractive Business Women – the idea of the Femme Fatale Looking at how being gorgeous might impact your clinical work Be authentically yourself, with the understanding of what societal bias could come up When the clients start responding to the therapist as an individual, rather than the therapist or the therapy relationship – looking at transference/counter-transference How hard it can be to talk about the client’s sexual attraction in the therapy room Holding space – acceptance with clear boundaries Making sure to address safety Exploring the interplay between emotional intimacy and the expectation for sexual intimacy How to set the boundaries in the psychotherapy relationship when attraction has been disclosed by the therapist The caution to avoid shaming the client and how to do so The importance of consultation during these types of situations Factors that can impact these types of interactions in the treatment room The safety factors and risks to be aware of, when facing sexual or romantic transference   Our Generous Sponsor: Thanks again to our sponsor Katie Read! Katie helps therapists grow and they OUTgrow their practices. If you're in GROW mode, she can help you grow faster by knowing exactly how to create your therapist website to get the most possible calls with her two courses, Client Machine and Website Whisperer! If you're ready to OUTgrow your office, Katie helps clinicians know the exact right steps to add big extra income streams in coaching, consulting, or courses! Check out www.katieread.com for more information. Resources mentioned: We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Article: Attractive businesswomen viewed as less trustworthy 'femmes fatales' Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group Therapy Reimagined 2019: Sign up here to get notified when the details are released. Our CALL FOR SPEAKERS!! Our consultation services: The Fifty-Minute Hour   Who we are: Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com A Quick Note: Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it. Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.   Stay in Touch: www.mtsgpodcast.com www.therapyreimagined.com Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Group https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/ https://twitter.com/therapymovement https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/   Credits: Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/ Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/

32mins

1 Apr 2019

Rank #15

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What Clients Want

Curt and Katie talk about the therapeutic alliance - challenges of defining it, what clients think about it, and how to incorporate best practices. It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age. In this episode we talk about: The definition of therapeutic alliance and the difficult we have in practically defining it What actually matters to clients, that makes up the therapeutic relationship Validating the client’s experience Looking at the client as a whole person Therapist honesty Showing good boundaries Normalizing the client’s experience Making eye contact with our clients Body language, who we present ourselves Clients feeling heard and respected The challenge of getting accurate feedback from clients How to incorporate best practices Resources mentioned: We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Bedi and Duff Study on Therapeutic Relationship: Client as Expert Scott Miller Our new consultation services: The Fifty-Minute Hour Other Episodes Mentioned: The Brand Called You Our events this year: The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!   Who we are: Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com A Quick Note: Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it. Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.   Stay in Touch: www.mtsgpodcast.com www.therapyreimagined.com Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Group https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/ https://twitter.com/therapymovement https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/   Credits: Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/ Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/

27mins

11 Jun 2018

Rank #16

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Dissociation in Therapy

An interview with Dr. Jamie Marich on how to navigate through dissociation in the therapy room. Curt and Katie interview Jamie about her own experiences with dissociation and what she does to cope as a dissociative professional. We discuss the importance of mindfulness and other strategies to take care of ourselves as well as treating dissociative clients. We also chat about how to navigate professional organizations as someone who likes to challenge the status quo. It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age. Interview with Jamie Marich, Ph.D., LPCC-S, LICDC-CS, REAT, RYT-200, RMT Jamie Marich, Ph.D., LPCC-S, LICDC-CS, REAT, RYT-200, RMT travels internationally speaking on topics related to EMDR therapy, trauma, addiction, expressive arts and mindfulness while maintaining a private practice in her home base of Warren, OH. She is the developer of the Dancing Mindfulness practice to expressive arts therapy and co-creator of the Yoga Unchained approach to trauma-informed yoga.  Jamie is the author of seven books, including the popular EMDR Made Simple and EMDR Therapy and Mindfulness for Trauma Focused Care (Springer Publishing in 2018), written in collaboration with Dr. Stephen Dansiger. Her newest title, Process Not Perfection: Expressive Arts Solutions for Trauma Recovery, released in April 2019. North Atlantic Books is publishing a second and expanded edition of Trauma and the 12 Steps, due for release in the Summer of 2020. In this episode we talk about: Creative mindfulness Joy in facilitating transformation Jamie’s experience with trauma, addiction, dissociation, and how that led to her work EMDR and “the weird stuff” that has led to improved outcomes The power of embodied healing Jamie coming out as being in recovery, bisexual, and struggling with dissociation The response of other therapists to Jamie coming out as a dissociative professional The importance of being candid to remain present and to combat the label of impaired therapist Shame about dissociation and the difficulty therapists have in treating dissociation How to navigate through dissociation as a therapist – we all dissociate, just at different degrees The importance of mindfulness in combatting dissociation Rituals and routines to ground and return to the present Learning the models for treatment and then “breaking the rules elegantly” to innovate How institutes develop effectively and the struggles of bringing treatment to the mainstream Jamie’s standing up and pushing away from the mainstream – and some of the consequences Why Jamie and Curt love EMDR Our Generous Sponsor: GreenOak Accounting You went to school to become a therapist, not an accountant! Your time is much better spent doing what you love–helping people–and not crunching numbers. That’s where GreenOak Accounting comes in! They specialize in increasing the profit of private practices just like yours, so you can reclaim precious hours each week! If you are interested in freeing up your schedule for more clients, or just to get some time back for yourself, if you’re behind on your books or ready to implement Profit First, or need someone on your financial team who really understands private practice and can help your business grow, go to greenoakaccounting.com to schedule a 100% free no-obligation consultation today or sign up for 5 days of profit-boosting emails. Relevant Resources: We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below might be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance! drjamiemarich.com Institute for Creative Mindfulness dancingmindfulness.com traumamadesimple.com EMDRIA Dr. Francine Shapiro Relevant Episodes: Being Truly Mindful Is CBT Crap? Connect with us: The Modern Therapists Group on Facebook Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2020 (and TR2019 Virtual Conference) Who we are: Curt Widhalm is in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is the cofounder of the Therapy Reimagined conference, the CFO of the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, an Adjunct Professor at Pepperdine University, a former Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making “dad jokes” and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: http://www.curtwidhalm.com Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant supporting leaders, visionaries, executives, and helping professionals to create sustainable careers. Katie, with Curt, has developed workshops and a conference, Therapy Reimagined, to support therapists navigating through the modern challenges of this profession. Katie is also President of the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt’s youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: http://www.katievernoy.com A Quick Note: Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it. Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey. Stay in Touch: www.mtsgpodcast.com https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/ https://twitter.com/therapymovement https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/ Credits: Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/ Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/

43mins

2 Mar 2020

Rank #17

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Therapists In Therapy

It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age. In this episode we talk about: How to find a therapist (and all of the challenges in finding the right therapist) The potential for a dual relationship and making sure that you can navigate it The stigma related to shopping for a new therapist Finding someone who is further along in the career and very skilled to be your therapist Whether or not therapy should be a requirement in grad school Whether you can be a good therapist if you’ve never been a therapy client The importance of using therapy to address current mental health concerns as well as vicarious trauma, compassion fatigue, burnout, and the stresses of being a private practitioner Resources mentioned: We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Articles: Counselling psychologists' perceptions of the impact of mandatory personal therapy on professional development--an exploratory study Psychotherapy trainees’ experiences of their own mandatory personal therapy raise “serious ethical considerations” Therapy for Therapists Other Episodes Mentioned: Bad Marketing Decisions Finding Your Blind Spots Be a Better Therapist Our events this year: The Brand Called “You”: Legal & Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!   Who we are: Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com A Quick Note: Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it. Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.   Stay in Touch: www.mtsgpodcast.com www.therapyreimagined.com Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Group https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/ https://twitter.com/therapymovement https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/   Credits: Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/ Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/

32mins

16 Apr 2018

Rank #18

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Branding for Your Ideal Client

An interview with Kate Campbell, PhD, LMFT, and Katie Lemieux, LMFT from The Private Practice Startup. Curt and Katie talk with Kate and Katie about the differences between marketing and branding, what therapists should consider when developing their personal brand, and common mistakes therapists make. It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.   Interview with Kate and Katie from the Private Practice Startup The Private Practice Startup is co-owned by Kate Campbell, PhD, LMFT and Katie Lemieux, LMFT. They’re two therapists with entrepreneurial spirits who are crazy about business, branding and marketing.  They live, work and play in South Florida.  They both built their 6-Figure private practices in less than 2 years from the ground up and inspire other ambitious mental health professionals to brand themselves, grow their dream private practices and live into their dream lifestyles.  They have a hunger for business, branding and marketing.   They love helping private practitioners work with the clients they love, profit more in business, and create the freedom to truly enjoy a lifestyle business.   Kate is a food and wine aficionado who loves to travel and create new memories with her husband and son.  She also loves the beach, pilates, riding horses, concerts, and of course the occasional “retail therapy”. Thanks to Kate, Katie is a wine snob in the making.  Katie is an avid pitbull lover and has 2 of her own, she loves travel, new and fun adventures, reading, the ID channel, Halloween, sparkles, taking pictures, random silly things, family time and taking time to just be.   They are the creators of Private Practice Marketing E-Course and Coaching, provide FREE podcasts, and customizable Attorney Approved Private Practice Paperwork for therapists. Visit PrivatePracticeStartup.com for more info!      In this episode we talk about: The shear number of Kate/Katies that Curt had to deal with on the episode. The difference between marketing and branding The importance of marketing in developing a business Relationships, ownership as part of the branding process How to stand out, become distinctive What therapists should consider when developing a brand How your unique selling proposition relates to the development of your branding and marketing How therapists’ goals for their lifestyle and their individual picture impacts ideal client Niche and saying no to the clients who are not in your wheel house The challenge of being a generalist, fear of repelling too many clients Why you need to have a brand that clearly inspires your ideal clients The mistakes therapists often make in branding and connecting with your ideal clients Clear planning, following up, and tracking for your marketing Taking ownership of how you are perceived by your ideal clients How to get to the place of effective entrepreneur Using your skills and strengths to create your marketing plan How brands evolve, especially as you add businesses, business partners, side hustles, etc. How to become business partners and clarify how you work together The mission, values, and operations ties to the brand How your personal brand can be logistically experienced by the public (aka make sure you keep track of all of your websites)   Relevant Resources: We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links: Kate and Katie’s website = www.privatepracticestartup.com The A to Z Cheatsheet:  Essentials for Building and Growing Your Dream Private Practice - https://a-z-cheat-sheet-download.gr8.com/ Donald Miller – Building a StoryBrand: Clarify Your Message So Customers Will Listen Jeff Walker - Launch: An Internet Millionaire's Secret Formula to Sell Almost Anything Online, Build a Business You Love, and Live the Life of Your Dreams Russell Brunson Gary Vaynerchuck    Relevant Episodes: Clinical Marketing The Brand Called You   Connect with us: The Modern Therapists Group on Facebook Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2020 (and TR2019 Virtual Conference) Who we are: Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more about Curt at www.curtwidhalm.com. Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more about Katie at www.katievernoy.com. A Quick Note: Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it. Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey. Stay in Touch: www.mtsgpodcast.com https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/ https://twitter.com/therapymovement https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/ Credits: Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/ Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/

34mins

2 Dec 2019

Rank #19

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Dating as a Therapist

It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age. Interview with Millen Umoh, LMFT Millen Umoh is a New York State licensed psychotherapist currently practicing in Brooklyn, NY. She is a graduate of Pepperdine University with a Master's degree in Clinical Psychology. Millen specializes in working with individuals dealing with relationship break-ups, separation, divorce, unhealthy interpersonal relationship patterns, and other major life transitions. She also has extensive experience treating anxiety and mood disorders.  Learn more about Millen on her website: www.millenumoh.com   In this episode we talk about: Millen’s story, her specialty (and her former blog Psych and The Single Girl) Unique challenges for therapists on the dating scene Setting boundaries, having reciprocal conversations, receiving in addition to giving When to talk about your profession while online dating What happened when Millen told people she was unemployed App dating – setting up your bio, what to disclose, how to present yourself Red flags, when to left swipe What to do if coming across clients on the app How to address with clients if they become aware of your dating status Social Media and informed consent to clarify boundaries How to approach seeking long-term relationships, when in your career you might want to date Options for getting out on the dating scene (online dating, app dating, getting out for live events, meeting organically) Self-disclosure about dating – when it might be appropriate or how to show understanding and knowledge The perks of dating when you’re a therapist Resources mentioned: We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Tinder Bumble Match.com Relevant MTSG Podcast Episodes:  Dual Relationships – Pros and Cons Our Next Event: The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!   Who we are: Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more about Curt at www.curtwidhalm.com. Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more about Katie at www.katievernoy.com. A Quick Note: Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it. Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey. Stay in Touch: www.mtsgpodcast.com https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/ https://twitter.com/therapymovement https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/ Credits: Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/ Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/

29mins

4 Jun 2018

Rank #20