Two excellent guests this week. First, and a repeat visitor to the Pod is Jorge Contreras, Professor Law at the University of Utah S.J. Quinney College of Law. There he teaches in the areas of intellectual property law, property law and genetics and the law. He has edited six books and published more than 100 scholarly articles and book chapters. He has recently been named one of the University of Utah's Presidential Scholars, and won his school’s 2018-19 Faculty Scholarship Award. Second, I welcome Mark Lemley, the William H. Neukom Professor of Law at Stanford Law School and the Director of the Stanford Program in Law, Science and Technology. He is also a Senior Fellow at the Stanford Institute for Economic Policy Research and as affiliated faculty in the Symbolic Systems program. He teaches intellectual property, patent law, trademark law, antitrust, the law of robotics and AI, video game law, and remedies. He is the author of eight books and 179 articles, including the two-volume treatise IP and Antitrust. Our discussion begins with broad questions regarding the role of IP in both promoting innovation and protecting against fakes during the pandemic. We take a look at how governments do or do not free up IP during difficult times, the role of WIPO in assuring ready access to medicines and technologies in less well developed countries and how U.S. companies themselves are entering changing their approaches to enforcing their IP rights. In particular, my guests talk about the Open COVID Pledge that they are involved with.