Celebrating one year of this podcast with what we’ve learned, highs and lows (including some pretty vulnerable moments) and what we are excited about going forward. 

Celebrating one year of this podcast with what we’ve learned, highs and lows (including some pretty vulnerable moments) and what we are excited about going forward.

S4E14- This New Space: 1 Year Anniversary!

If the gospel isn’t good news for all people, it isn’t good news at all. We talk with our new friend Blake, about how Christianity has been colonized, what that means, and how a decolonized Church would liberate not only the oppressed, but the oppressor. He shares his personal story and talks about his transition from his current pastoral role into the ongoing role of helping the Church decolonize. We talk about the spiritual landscape we are in, how in waking up to the systems of injustice and brokenness within Christianity, many people are actually drawing closer to the heart of God rather than away from it and how the future Church and spirituality will not look like the past. You can find Blake's work on Instagram at @the_decolonizing_christian

If the gospel isn’t good news for all people, it isn’t good news at all. We talk with our new friend Blake, about how Christianity has been colonized, what that means, and how a decolonized Church would liberate not only the oppressed, but the oppressor. He shares his personal story and talks about his transition from his current pastoral role into the ongoing role of helping the Church decolonize. We talk about the spiritual landscape we are in, how in waking up to the systems of injustice and brokenness within Christianity, many people are actually drawing closer to the heart of God rather than away from it and how the future Church and spirituality will not look like the past. You can find Blake's work on Instagram at <a href="https://www.instagram.com/the_decolonizing_christian/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@the_decolonizing_christian</a>

S4E13- This New Space: Decolonizing Christianity

What do we mean when we are talking about integrating mind, body and spirit? What does it mean to live aligned? What do the scriptures have to say about it? What do embodiment modalities like meditation, silence, fasting, breath-work, and cold and heat immersion have to do with any of that? And how does any of that make our lives richer? There’s an invitation to move from being stuck in our heads to a more integrated life.

What do we mean when we are talking about integrating mind, body and spirit? What does it mean to live aligned? What do the scriptures have to say about it? What do embodiment modalities like meditation, silence, fasting, breath-work, and cold and heat immersion have to do with any of that? And how does any of that make our lives richer? There’s an invitation to move from being stuck in our heads to a more integrated life.

S4E12- This New Space: Mind-Body-Spirit

Throughout history the story of the Gospels has been co-opted by the powerful, and this is continuing to happen in our day.  We talk with Poet and Pastor, Drew Jackson, about his own experience as a Black man navigating the landscape of American life and his poetic telling of the first eight chapters of the Gospel of Luke, centering the theme of liberation and his attempt to recover those voices that have so often been silenced. We discuss what it means to be on the way—in the dirt and dust where things get real and faith puts on flesh. You can find Drew's work here: https://drewejackson.com/ You can follow Drew on Instagram here: @d.jacksonpoetics 

Throughout history the story of the Gospels has been co-opted by the powerful, and this is continuing to happen in our day.  We talk with Poet and Pastor, Drew Jackson, about his own experience as a Black man navigating the landscape of American life and his poetic telling of the first eight chapters of the Gospel of Luke, centering the theme of liberation and his attempt to recover those voices that have so often been silenced. We discuss what it means to be on the way—in the dirt and dust where things get real and faith puts on flesh. You can find Drew's work here: <a href="https://drewejackson.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://drewejackson.com/</a> You can follow Drew on Instagram here: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/d.jacksonpoetics" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@d.jacksonpoetics</a>

S4E11- This New Space: God Speaks Through Wombs with Drew Jackson

Alexander Shaia

In this one, we talk to thought-leader, Alexander Shaia, about Quadratos- a map of our ongoing human experience across life’s four great questions: How do we face change? How do we move through suffering? How do we receive joy? How do we mature in service? Alexander talks about how in this framework, the four gospels are delineated as the four strands of the transformational journey that’s true of every wisdom tradition. We discuss how we are collectively in the first two stages and he offers spiritual practices to help you as you move in and through those towards joy and service on the other side. You can find Alexander's work here: https://www.quadratos.com/

In this one, we talk to thought-leader, Alexander Shaia, about Quadratos- a map of our ongoing human experience across life’s four great questions: How do we face change? How do we move through suffering? How do we receive joy? How do we mature in service? Alexander talks about how in this framework, the four gospels are delineated as the four strands of the transformational journey that’s true of every wisdom tradition. We discuss how we are collectively in the first two stages and he offers spiritual practices to help you as you move in and through those towards joy and service on the other side. <a href="https://www.quadratos.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">You can find Alexander's work here</a>: <a href="https://www.quadratos.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.quadratos.com/</a>

S4E10- This New Space: Life's Four Great Questions with Alexander Shaia

Community After Individuality. Otherwise known as (or originally named) the Power of Presence.   Loneliness is an epidemic. And while we are the most seemingly “connected” we’ve ever been as a society, it’s easy to be in a crowd of people and feel desperately alone. But the antidote to loneliness is presence- both to ourselves and to one another.  There is power in being present to yourself, and an important part of the spiritual journey is learning to own your own authority. Part of that is learning to listen to our bodies and trust what they are telling us, learning to trust the Spirit within us and moving to a deeper integration from belief into embodiment, but at the end of the day it is a personal journey- there really is no plus one. However, on the other side of that individual journey is community. And there’s a power in being present to one another- not needing to fix, but simply sitting in the questions and messiness of life and seeing each other.  

Community After Individuality. Otherwise known as (or originally named) the Power of Presence.  Loneliness is an epidemic. And while we are the most seemingly “connected” we’ve ever been as a society, it’s easy to be in a crowd of people and feel desperately alone. But the antidote to loneliness is presence- both to ourselves and to one another. There is power in being present to yourself, and an important part of the spiritual journey is learning to own your own authority. Part of that is learning to listen to our bodies and trust what they are telling us, learning to trust the Spirit within us and moving to a deeper integration from belief into embodiment, but at the end of the day it is a personal journey- there really is no plus one. However, on the other side of that individual journey is community. And there’s a power in being present to one another- not needing to fix, but simply sitting in the questions and messiness of life and seeing each other.

S4E9- This New Space: Community After Individuality

Idelette McVicker

“One of the most difficult things is not to change society—but to change yourself.” -NELSON ROLIHLAHLA MANDELA Talking with author Idelette McVicker about her journey out of whiteness and reckoning with her Apartheid past into becoming a part of repair and restitution. In this powerful conversation, we talk about the connectedness of all humanity, the journey of inner transformation and the path of liberation out of patriarchy. You can find her new book, Recovering Racists- Dismantling White Supremacy and Reclaiming Our Humanity anywhere books are sold. You can find her online at https://idelette.com/ or on Instagram @idelettemcvicker   

“One of the most difficult things is not to change society—but to change yourself.” -NELSON ROLIHLAHLA MANDELA Talking with author Idelette McVicker about her journey out of whiteness and reckoning with her Apartheid past into becoming a part of repair and restitution. In this powerful conversation, we talk about the connectedness of all humanity, the journey of inner transformation and the path of liberation out of patriarchy. You can find her new book, Recovering Racists- Dismantling White Supremacy and Reclaiming Our Humanity anywhere books are sold. You can find her online at <a href="https://idelette.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://idelette.com/</a> or on Instagram <a href="https://www.instagram.com/idelettemcvicker/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@idelettemcvicker</a>

S4E8- This New Space: Recovering Racist with Idelette McVicker

Talking with trauma therapist and embodiment coach, Chrissy Powers, about the power of living in connection with our bodies, moving from perfectionism and shame patterns to freedom, her faith evolution, spiritual gaslighting, purity culture, and body image.    www.chrissypowers.com Instagram: @chrissyjpowers

Talking with trauma therapist and embodiment coach, Chrissy Powers, about the power of living in connection with our bodies, moving from perfectionism and shame patterns to freedom, her faith evolution, spiritual gaslighting, purity culture, and body image.  <a href="http://www.chrissypowers.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.chrissypowers.com</a> Instagram: @chrissyjpowers

S4E7- This New Space: Embodiment with Chrissy Powers 

The word heretic has become a dirty word- one that most of us would probably not want to be called. But what does heretic really mean? It turns out that we are all heretics and that maybe it’s not a bad thing after all. 

The word heretic has become a dirty word- one that most of us would probably not want to be called. But what does heretic really mean? It turns out that we are all heretics and that maybe it’s not a bad thing after all.

S4E6- This New Space: We Are All Heretics

Brit Barron

Brit spent the first part of her life in the evangelical church and eventually became a pastor at a mega church at the ripe age of 26. After “peaking too soon”, she started to understand more about herself, her dreams and her sexuality. She met a woman named Sami that changed, saved and transformed her whole life. We talk with Brit about how meeting Sami, leaving the church, coming out and getting married have given Brit a deep seated passion for reminding people that choosing freedom is always worth it no matter the cost. We share how our perspectives have changed since originally starting the church that we led and how it’s okay to change your mind, even as people of faith and leaders. We talk about “the fear spiral” and the kinds of fears that keep us from evolving beyond the narratives that have been handed to us by others. We can't avoid or outrun these fears, but if we face them and move through them, we'll find out that it was so worth it! Brit is a currently a pastor at New Abbey Church, and is a sought after speaker in the areas of personal development, race, gender and sexuality and lives with Sami in southern California with their dog Charles Barkley and their house full of plants that they treat like children. www.britbarron.com Instagram @britbarron Twitter @britbarronco

Brit spent the first part of her life in the evangelical church and eventually became a pastor at a mega church at the ripe age of 26. After “peaking too soon”, she started to understand more about herself, her dreams and her sexuality. She met a woman named Sami that changed, saved and transformed her whole life. We talk with Brit about how meeting Sami, leaving the church, coming out and getting married have given Brit a deep seated passion for reminding people that choosing freedom is always worth it no matter the cost. We share how our perspectives have changed since originally starting the church that we led and how it’s okay to change your mind, even as people of faith and leaders. We talk about “the fear spiral” and the kinds of fears that keep us from evolving beyond the narratives that have been handed to us by others. We can't avoid or outrun these fears, but if we face them and move through them, we'll find out that it was so worth it! Brit is a currently a pastor at New Abbey Church, and is a sought after speaker in the areas of personal development, race, gender and sexuality and lives with Sami in southern California with their dog Charles Barkley and their house full of plants that they treat like children. <a href="http://www.britbarron.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.britbarron.com</a> Instagram @britbarron Twitter @britbarronco

S4E5- This New Space: Worth It with Brit Barron

This podcast follows the questions about life, spirituality, and relationships. It is conversation meets teaching, storytelling, and interviews with friends about the challenges and joys of continuing to grow in all the areas of our lives.

Brian McLaren

Do I stay Christian?   In this episode, we talk with author, speaker and activist, Brian McLaren, about this powerful question that a surprising number of people are asking. We discuss the reasons to say no and yes to that question and he ultimately shifts the question to how we stay human.  https://brianmclaren.net/ https://read.macmillan.com/lp/do-i-stay-christian/

Do I stay Christian?   In this episode, we talk with author, speaker and activist, Brian McLaren, about this powerful question that a surprising number of people are asking. We discuss the reasons to say no and yes to that question and he ultimately shifts the question to how we stay human.  <a href="https://brianmclaren.net/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://brianmclaren.net/</a> <a href="https://read.macmillan.com/lp/do-i-stay-christian/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://read.macmillan.com/lp/do-i-stay-christian/</a>

S4E4- This New Space: Do I Stay Christian? with Brian McLaren

When your faith expands, it can feel lonely and disorienting, especially at first. We are talking about what happens when you learn more and experience more in your faith and then you live according to it- when your faith evolves past the boundaries you once knew. There’s a grief in the loss of the familiar and the certain- it affects all areas of your life. And there are fears that can come with the growth- even freedom can feel scary. But it’s all worth it. Our faith can be bigger, wider, more aligned and lead us to a freedom deeper than we ever imagined.

When your faith expands, it can feel lonely and disorienting, especially at first. We are talking about what happens when you learn more and experience more in your faith and then you live according to it- when your faith evolves past the boundaries you once knew. There’s a grief in the loss of the familiar and the certain- it affects all areas of your life. And there are fears that can come with the growth- even freedom can feel scary. But it’s all worth it. Our faith can be bigger, wider, more aligned and lead us to a freedom deeper than we ever imagined.

S4E3- This New Space: When Your Faith Expands

Kevin Sweeney

In this episode, we talk with our dear friend, pastor and author- Kevin Sweeney, about what it means to live the spiritual practices of a mystic in our everyday lives. We talk about embracing each moment for exactly what it is and the power and simplicity of stillness. He shares about his journey with mushrooms, the trend of psychedelics and whether it can be helpful in your spiritual journey. We discuss how there’s no substitute for consistent, open-hearted spaces with love and what we are all finding hopeful in this new space we are finding ourselves in. His new book, The Making of Mystic, is out on May 31. Get it!

In this episode, we talk with our dear friend, pastor and author- Kevin Sweeney, about what it means to live the spiritual practices of a mystic in our everyday lives. We talk about embracing each moment for exactly what it is and the power and simplicity of stillness. He shares about his journey with mushrooms, the trend of psychedelics and whether it can be helpful in your spiritual journey. We discuss how there’s no substitute for consistent, open-hearted spaces with love and what we are all finding hopeful in this new space we are finding ourselves in. His new book, The Making of Mystic, is out on May 31. Get it!

S4E2- This New Space: The Making of a Mystic with Kevin Sweeney

In the first episode of Season 4 we talk about This New Space we are finding ourselves in spiritually, relationally, politically, economically, technologically, racially- basically every way. We talk about the universal pattern of human spiritual growth and transformation that’s currently unfolding in our world and that we are in the midst of a hinge time.  Phil shares some of our personal story about what led us to step out of the church we were leading and into new and unknown spaces. We discuss how deconstruction Christianity is not new, how it’s necessary, but also only part of a process.

In the first episode of Season 4 we talk about This New Space we are finding ourselves in spiritually, relationally, politically, economically, technologically, racially- basically every way. We talk about the universal pattern of human spiritual growth and transformation that’s currently unfolding in our world and that we are in the midst of a hinge time.  Phil shares some of our personal story about what led us to step out of the church we were leading and into new and unknown spaces. We discuss how deconstruction Christianity is not new, how it’s necessary, but also only part of a process.

S4E1- This New Space: Hinge Times

Mike Peterson

BONUS EPISODE! Crypto currency- it’s all the talk recently.  But what is it and will it really stick around? Phil talks with director of Bitcoin Beach and President of the non-profit Missionsake, Mike Peterson, on our recent trip to Bitcoin Beach in El Salvador about the ways that Bitcoin is transforming and empowering a community by bringing financial inclusion and opportunities to the most marginalized. They talk about the future of the economy, the revolution of decentralized money, the ways in which our world is becoming more deinstitutionalized and why it matters.   To learn more: https://www.bitcoinbeach.com/ https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-06-22/in-el-salvadors-bitcoin-beach https://www.forbes.com/sites/tatianakoffman/2020/07/14/this-el-salvador-village-adopts-bitcoin-as-money/?sh=156fdd20447b https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/on-the-coast-of-el-salvador-bitcoin-is-becoming-the-standard-2020-01-13

BONUS EPISODE! Crypto currency- it’s all the talk recently.  But what is it and will it really stick around? Phil talks with director of Bitcoin Beach and President of the non-profit Missionsake, Mike Peterson, on our recent trip to Bitcoin Beach in El Salvador about the ways that Bitcoin is transforming and empowering a community by bringing financial inclusion and opportunities to the most marginalized. They talk about the future of the economy, the revolution of decentralized money, the ways in which our world is becoming more deinstitutionalized and why it matters.   To learn more: <a href="https://www.bitcoinbeach.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.bitcoinbeach.com/</a> <a href="https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-06-22/in-el-salvadors-bitcoin-beach" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-06-22/in-el-salvadors-bitcoin-beach</a> <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/tatianakoffman/2020/07/14/this-el-salvador-village-adopts-bitcoin-as-money/?sh=156fdd20447b" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.forbes.com/sites/tatianakoffman/2020/07/14/this-el-salvador-village-adopts-bitcoin-as-money/?sh=156fdd20447b</a> <a href="https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/on-the-coast-of-el-salvador-bitcoin-is-becoming-the-standard-2020-01-13" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/on-the-coast-of-el-salvador-bitcoin-is-becoming-the-standard-2020-01-13</a>

S3E16- We Can (Make) Change: How Bitcoin is Changing Poverty and the World with Mike Peterson

Rob Bell

In this one, we have a conversation with our friend Rob Bell about how growth and change work. We talk about how change is baked into the whole of existence and that we are only ever going forward. We discuss what holds people back from making the changes that they want in their lives and how to become aware of and engage your internal life. He shares about what he is seeing right now and some of the beautiful changes he is observing as the last few years have sped up many societal shifts.

In this one, we have a conversation with our friend Rob Bell about how growth and change work. We talk about how change is baked into the whole of existence and that we are only ever going forward. We discuss what holds people back from making the changes that they want in their lives and how to become aware of and engage your internal life. He shares about what he is seeing right now and some of the beautiful changes he is observing as the last few years have sped up many societal shifts.

S3E15- We Can (Make) Change: A Masterclass in Growth with Rob Bell

In this episode Phil and Jen discuss the changes happening in the Evangelical Church. They talk about how according to a recent NYT article by David Brooks, the future of the Christian church is not going to look like the past and how many people are leaving the Church to keep going- not because they don’t believe in Jesus or have faith, but because they don’t believe the Church actually believes what it teaches. They discuss some recent social commentary about the current form and how the movement of the Spirit is like a river- it will always find a way forward. Notes &amp; Links: NYT article by David Brooks, Aaron Neiquist IG post, Angora Lake Rock Jumping Spot in Lake Tahoe

In this episode Phil and Jen discuss the changes happening in the Evangelical Church. They talk about how according to a recent NYT article by David Brooks, the future of the Christian church is not going to look like the past and how many people are leaving the Church to keep going- not because they don’t believe in Jesus or have faith, but because they don’t believe the Church actually believes what it teaches. They discuss some recent social commentary about the current form and how the movement of the Spirit is like a river- it will always find a way forward. Notes &amp; Links: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/04/opinion/evangelicalism-division-renewal.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">NYT article by David Brooks</a>, <a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/CZr-dXYp0ua/?utm_medium=copy_link" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Aaron Neiquist IG post</a>, <a href="https://www.theoutbound.com/lake-tahoe/chillin/cliff-jumping-paradise" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Angora Lake Rock Jumping Spot in Lake Tahoe</a>

S3E14- We Can (Make) Change: Moving Forward

In this episode, we talk with Wim Hof and XPT breath-work and recovery instructor, Nolan Kim, about the benefits of breath-work and cold and heat therapy for our mental and overall health. We discuss our experience of attending his Breath and Recovery workshop, the benefits of breathing exercises and cold therapy as well as how to breathe properly. We talk about practical strategies to promote better mental and emotional health and simple ways to calm our nerves in this season we all find ourselves in. You can find Nolan's work at www.powercoachingnow.com or on Instagram at @powercoachingnow

In this episode, we talk with Wim Hof and XPT breath-work and recovery instructor, Nolan Kim, about the benefits of breath-work and cold and heat therapy for our mental and overall health. We discuss our experience of attending his Breath and Recovery workshop, the benefits of breathing exercises and cold therapy as well as how to breathe properly. We talk about practical strategies to promote better mental and emotional health and simple ways to calm our nerves in this season we all find ourselves in. You can find Nolan's work at <a href="http://www.powercoachingnow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.powercoachingnow.com</a> or on Instagram at @powercoachingnow

S3E13- We Can (Make) Change: Breath-work, Cold Therapy and Mental Health with Nolan Kim

You have what you need. As you face the world and all that it holds today, disorientation, confusion, and fatigue are common. It is normal to feel overwhelmed or even just tired. In this episode, Phil and Jen talk about the reality that everyone they know (including each other) are tired right now and also how we all have what we need. They talk about tapping into the deep well of the Spirit, allowing emotions to pass through you, the need to be tender with ourselves and others in this time, and how sometimes it takes awhile for your whole self to catch up with change.

You have what you need. As you face the world and all that it holds today, disorientation, confusion, and fatigue are common. It is normal to feel overwhelmed or even just tired. In this episode, Phil and Jen talk about the reality that everyone they know (including each other) are tired right now and also how we all have what we need. They talk about tapping into the deep well of the Spirit, allowing emotions to pass through you, the need to be tender with ourselves and others in this time, and how sometimes it takes awhile for your whole self to catch up with change.

S3E12- We Can (Make) Change: You Have What You Need

As we are talking about growing and making change in ourselves and in the world in any way- (from thought patterns to faith to creative endeavors to habits and on and on), something happens when we step into that. Resistance. No one is exempt from it. Not even Jesus. You cannot escape it. It is baked in to the process. But when you recognize its presence (and power), name it, and face it, it is actually a force that can catapult you on your journey and even let you know that you are on to the right things.

As we are talking about growing and making change in ourselves and in the world in any way- (from thought patterns to faith to creative endeavors to habits and on and on), something happens when we step into that. Resistance. No one is exempt from it. Not even Jesus. You cannot escape it. It is baked in to the process. But when you recognize its presence (and power), name it, and face it, it is actually a force that can catapult you on your journey and even let you know that you are on to the right things.

S3E11- We Can (Make) Change: Resistance

Phil and Jen

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