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Criminal defense attorneys Jessa Nicholson Goetz and Nicholas (Nick) Gansner discuss high profile trials, defense strategies, popular culture’s fixation on crime, and all other things related to criminal justice and criminal law. We try to use actual trial records and motions to explain how a verdict is reached in cases that surprise people, and to highlight some lesser known cases. We also like to talk about bail, criminal justice reform, juvenile justice, etc. We think we are kind of funny some days, and hope you do, too. Other days, we're pretty angry, and we hope you are, too. This is unedited and low-fi, so if you're skilled in sound engineering or production, we'll probably drive you crazy (apologies in advance.)

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Criminal defense attorneys Jessa Nicholson Goetz and Nicholas (Nick) Gansner discuss high profile trials, defense strategies, popular culture’s fixation on crime, and all other things related to criminal justice and criminal law. We try to use actual trial records and motions to explain how a verdict is reached in cases that surprise people, and to highlight some lesser known cases. We also like to talk about bail, criminal justice reform, juvenile justice, etc. We think we are kind of funny some days, and hope you do, too. Other days, we're pretty angry, and we hope you are, too. This is unedited and low-fi, so if you're skilled in sound engineering or production, we'll probably drive you crazy (apologies in advance.)

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By Go Cubs Go, in TX - Feb 19 2020
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I loathe defense attorneys, but this is a great show!

Amazing!

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I just cannot get enough of these two! Totally hooked!

iTunes Ratings

614 Ratings
Average Ratings
481
34
14
11
74

New fan

By Go Cubs Go, in TX - Feb 19 2020
Read more
I loathe defense attorneys, but this is a great show!

Amazing!

By Pattyroy - Feb 11 2020
Read more
I just cannot get enough of these two! Totally hooked!
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Getting Off

Latest release on May 27, 2020

The Best Episodes Ranked Using User Listens

Updated by OwlTail 11 days ago

Rank #1: 86: Ep. 86: The Menendez Brothers, Part I

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Continuing our April theme of family violence, we tackle a "biggie" in this and the next episode -- the Menendez Brothers, dirty psychologists, mistresses, parricide, and Jessa's massive girl-crush on defense attorney Leslie Abramson all come up.

Apr 26 2018

44mins

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Rank #2: 223: Ep.223: Mary Kay Letourneau Crossover w/LANSC, Part 1

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Jessa and Nick are joined by two kick-ass doctors, Shiloh and Scott, to discuss the Mary Kay Letourneau case.  In this episode, you'll get the facts and some of the legal quirks.  In the next episode, which you'll find on L.A. Not So Confidential's feed next week, will talk to you about the psychology behind female sex offending, gender issues in criminal cases, and much more!

Aug 15 2019

49mins

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Rank #3: 72: Ep. 72: Michelle Carter, Part 1

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In honor of discussing limitations on our protected rights, like freedom of speech, Jessa and Nick bring you case coverage of the "texting homicide" case of Michelle Carter.

This episode is proudly sponsored by Casper mattresses.  Check out our ad and use our promo code to get $50 off select mattresses.

Mar 22 2018

1hr 3mins

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Rank #4: 3: Ep. 3: People v. Brock Turner, Part 1

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Nick & Jessa discuss the Brock Turner case in a two part episode. This covers the facts of the case and some of the pretrial issues. Part 2 covers the trial and sentencing.

Nov 15 2017

1hr 2mins

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Rank #5: 82: Ep. 82: State v. Debra Head, Part I

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Jessa and Nick stick close to home, talking about a Wisconsin homicide case from 1998 that greatly expanded our state's view of the "reasonable person" standard in evaluating claims of perfect and imperfect self-defense, specifically with regard to Battered Woman defense.  This episode covers the facts of the case through the initial trial, and the second episode will discuss the post-conviction rulings and how they changed our legal landscape.

Apr 19 2018

41mins

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Rank #6: 159: Ep.159: David Camm, Part 1

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Jessa and Nick timeline the multiple trials and appeals of the David Camm case.

Jan 03 2019

34mins

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Rank #7: 51: Ep. 51: State v. Casey Anthony, Part I

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Nick and Jessa talk about the extremely weird circumstances that led up to the capital trial of Casey Anthony.  We cannot stress enough: THIS CASE IS SO WEIRD.

Jan 31 2018

1hr 8mins

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Rank #8: 69: Ep. 69: Scott Peterson, Part 1: Audio Corrected

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So, Jessa's splice and dice editing didn't go over so well.  Here's the proper version of Nick & Jessa diving into Scott Peterson's case.

Mar 19 2018

44mins

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Rank #9: 219: Ep.219: Jeffrey Epstein, Part 1

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Nick and Jessa talk about what the allegations were out of Palm Beach, Florida and the Federal Southern District of Florida against Jeffrey Epstein in from roughly 2001-2007, and explain some of the ways that the victims' notification rights were violated as part of the NPA.

Jul 31 2019

46mins

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Rank #10: 212: Ep.212: The Murder of Jessica Dishon, Part 1

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This was a patron request! Nick and Jessa talk about the twists and turns of the Jessica Dishon homicide.

Jul 07 2019

42mins

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Rank #11: 70: Ep. 70: Scott Peterson, Part 2: Just How Biased Are We?

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Jessa and Nick's differing conclusions about Scott Peterson's guilt/conviction cause them to examine what biases they're bringing to the table when listening to evidence.  Also, the trial.

Mar 19 2018

1hr 19mins

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Rank #12: 186: Ep.186: This is Criminal Justice in America. (MELGAR: THE FINAL CONCLUSION.)

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Here it is.  Jessa and Nick start off by sharing their (divergent) views on how they each would've voted based on the trial record in Melgar, but more importantly, they talk about why this particular high profile case is so important to talk about in considering larger issues of criminal justice reform.  More importantly yet, they talk about what you can do about it.  And, unlike their usual sparse notations, here are some links that give the option of donating time or money to support criminal justice reform.  Please consider spending some time with one of these organizations.

We hope that we've given new listeners something to think about, and now, we'll be back to the usual.  Our next episode will be an introduction to the most recent Listener's Choice vote: Andrea Yates.

https://www.namaste.org/blog/exceptional-nonprofits-in-criminal-justice-reform

http://gideonat50.org/in-your-state/

https://neaedjustice.org/social-justice-issues/ending-the-school-to-prison-pipeline/

https://www.innocenceproject.org/

Here's a link to a site where you can educate yourself on local judges and prosecutors running for election in your area:

https://ballotpedia.org/Main_Page

And finally, here are links to the murder mystery subscription services Jessa mentions:

https://www.huntakiller.com/

https://www.emptyfaces.com/

Apr 08 2019

1hr 26mins

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Rank #13: 20: Ep. 20: 12Play: R.Kelly, Part 1.

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Strap in, everybody. This is about to be the longest timeline EVER. Nick & Jessa start to unpack the wild and probably illegal world of R.Kelly.

*Disclaimer: R.Kelly has never been convicted of a sex crime. When we say "probably", we aren't basing that on, like, the law and stuff.

Dec 17 2017

47mins

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Rank #14: 236: Ep.236: Amber Guyger, Part 1

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Jessa and Nick -- hot off the presses -- open up the discussion about off-duty officer Amber Guyger's homicide trial & sentencing.  Shout out to Lisa Strawn for a major assist on our audio.  Lisa is the genius behind the True Crime Podcast Festival -- check out https://tcpf2019.com/ for more info. We'll be live there next summer!

Oct 17 2019

51mins

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Rank #15: 197: Ep.197: Sentencings & Affluenza (Ethan Couch, Part 1)

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Nick and Jessa talk about a patron-suggested case, the State of Texas vs Ethan Couch, otherwise known as the "affluenza teen" -- they cover how argued sentencings work and the evidence presented at the Couch sentencing.

May 16 2019

46mins

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Rank #16: 130: Ep.130: The "Slender Man Stabbing", Part 1

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Nick and Jessa get paranormal on your asses and discuss the urban myth of Slender Man and the competency and juvenile jurisdiction issues surrounding the cases of Morgan Geyser and Anissa Weier.

Sep 27 2018

56mins

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Rank #17: 138: Ep. 138: A Supreme Gentleman: Elliot Rodger, Part 1

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In this special episode, Nick and Jessa discuss the life, times, and journals of Elliot Rodger, everyone's "favorite" incel.  This episode is proudly sponsored by hims.com -- check the ad out at 24 minutes in for more information.

Also, this is special.  We cannot stress that enough.

Oct 25 2018

59mins

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Rank #18: 73: Ep. 73: Michelle Carter, Part 2

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Jessa and Nick conclude their discussion of the Michelle Carter case, and get a little emotional about the topic of teen suicide.  We might be out of our lanes on this one, but we're COMPASSIONATELY out of our lanes.

Mar 26 2018

1hr 8mins

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Rank #19: 4: Ep. 4: Brock the Casbah (People v. Brock Turner, Part 2)

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Nick & Jessa conclude their discussion of the Brock Turner case, including trial and sentencing. #lawpod #truecrime

Nov 18 2017

1hr 25mins

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Rank #20: 243: Ep. 243: Laurie Bembenek, Introduction

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Ufdah.  There's a lot going on here.

Nov 28 2019

49mins

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