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In Other Words

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Discussions about art and culture with today's makers, curators, collectors and advisors. Hosted by Charlotte Burns, senior editor for Art Agency, Partners.

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Discussions about art and culture with today's makers, curators, collectors and advisors. Hosted by Charlotte Burns, senior editor for Art Agency, Partners.

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The best art related podcast

By born1832 - Nov 20 2019
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For anyone remotely interested in art, artists, museums, and curators/writers, this is the best and most informative podcast I’ve found. Charlotte Burns is a great interviewer and she is often accompanied by either Amy Cappellazzo or Allan Schwartzman. Wide variety of interview subjects. 11/20/19 Charlotte Burns’ interview with Catherine Opie is my favorite among so many great IOW interviews and discussions. It covers so many issues and the artist is so intelligent and candid.

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By gwsocal01 - Feb 15 2019
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Excellent podcast. Charlotte’s depth and unique perspective spark joy. Can’t live without it.

iTunes Ratings

76 Ratings
Average Ratings
72
2
1
1
0

The best art related podcast

By born1832 - Nov 20 2019
Read more
For anyone remotely interested in art, artists, museums, and curators/writers, this is the best and most informative podcast I’ve found. Charlotte Burns is a great interviewer and she is often accompanied by either Amy Cappellazzo or Allan Schwartzman. Wide variety of interview subjects. 11/20/19 Charlotte Burns’ interview with Catherine Opie is my favorite among so many great IOW interviews and discussions. It covers so many issues and the artist is so intelligent and candid.

Need more episodes

By gwsocal01 - Feb 15 2019
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Excellent podcast. Charlotte’s depth and unique perspective spark joy. Can’t live without it.
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In Other Words

Latest release on Dec 28, 2019

The Best Episodes Ranked Using User Listens

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Rank #1: #26: The Art of Criticism with Jerry Saltz

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Jerry Saltz, perhaps the most well-known art writer working today, has been the senior art critic of New York magazine since 2006. During this interview with our host Charlotte Burns, which was recorded in the downtown offices of New York magazine, Saltz talks about a range of topics: from how he approaches viewing and reviewing art, to what he calls the “ass-holeness” of his social media persona. 

Before becoming a critic, Saltz was an artist and a long-distance truck driver, and he discusses the benefits of being a late-bloomer. He defines what great art means to him and describes a recent exhibition of work by an artist who could be the “strongest to emerge this century in America." We are, he says, “living in a crisis and it’s time to look at the art of the present. I want to see what artists say now.”

Transcript: http://www.artagencypartners.com/transcript-jerry-saltz/

“In Other Words” is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby’s, produced by Audiation.fm.

Mar 08 2018

39mins

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Rank #2: #36: Talking Shop with Roberta Smith

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“By now, I’m kind of an opinion machine,” says Roberta Smith, co-chief art critic for The New York Times in this special podcast recording with our host Charlotte Burns.

“I would say all art that’s middling-to-great is a strike for freedom; is an expression of liberty,” Smith says. “It’s somebody asserting themselves in a new way. And that kind of newness, you can hear it in jazz, you can see it in painting. Most of us have the potential for newness.”

Smith, who says she once “really thought about becoming a dealer”, talks about art today and her writing. She discusses the ways in which criticism and the media have changed—though her role (“I want to help people see art and have a new appreciation of what they’re seeing”) has remained essentially the same. Since she began writing in 1972, the readers have been, she says, “the engine in my work”.

“Whatever gripes you have with the art world—and we all have them—it’s the most open it’s ever been,” she says. “I can't imagine writing in any other time than this, when there's this kind of explosion.”

For this and much more, tune in today.

Transcript: http://www.artagencypartners.com/transcript-roberta-smith/

“In Other Words” is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby’s, produced by Audiation.fm.

Jul 19 2018

50mins

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Rank #3: #6: Hypercapitalization, with Gavin Brown and Allan Schwartzman

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For the sixth episode of "In Other Words", we welcome Gavin Brown, who founded his eponymous gallery Gavin Brown's enterprise in 1994. Together with Allan Schwartzman, the co-founder of AAP and chairman of Sotheby’s Fine Arts Division, and our host Charlotte Burns, senior editor at AAP, their wide-ranging discussion covers how we define value in art, the effect of the market on traditional gallery models, and the importance of art in turbulent times.

"In Other Words" is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby's, produced by Audiation.fm.

For a full transcript, visit: http://www.artagencypartners.com/episode-6/

Apr 18 2017

24mins

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Rank #4: #47: Jerry Comes Alive

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For this special live recording from Washington, D.C., we were invited to interview Jerry Saltz, the senior art critic at New York magazine, in front of an audience as part of the “Critics in Conversation” talks program organized by the Hirshhorn National Museum of Modern Art.

Jerry has previously appeared as a guest on In Other Words—an intimate and introspective conversation in which he talked to our host Charlotte Burns about his life and work. He brought a different energy to this live recording, bouncing from topics as varied as politics to Led Zeppelin to Medieval art—and back again.

Saltz—who won a Pulitzer Prize earlier this year for his article “My Life As A Failed Artist”—talks about how he “wanted to change the structure of criticism, which felt exclusive to me. I couldn't get in. I didn't go to the right schools”, and dispenses advice for writers, artists and art-lovers alike: “First of all believe and trust yourself, for God's sake! For two minutes! Is that so hard? Put down the urge to be smart. Put down the urge to be right.”

Transcript: http://www.artagencypartners.com/podcast/live-podcast-critics-in-conversation-with-jerry-saltz/

“In Other Words” is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby’s, produced by Audiation.fm.

Dec 27 2018

1hr 1min

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Rank #5: #3: Uncovering the Great Art of the 2000s with David Salle and Alison Gingeras (Part 2)

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In this third episode of "In Other Words," host Charlotte Burns, senior editor at AAP, welcomes artist David Salle, curator Alison Gingeras and Allan Schwartzman, co-founder of AAP and chairman of the Fine Arts Division at Sotheby's, as they discuss why it's so difficult to pinpoint the great artists of the 2000s. The final episode of a two-part discussion. "In Other Words" is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby's, produced by Audiation.fm.

Mar 07 2017

31mins

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Rank #6: #8: Being Radical with Robert Storr

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The artist, critic, curator and former Dean of the Yale School of Art Robert Storr joins Amy Cappellazzo, AAP co-founder and Sotheby's Chairman of Global Fine Arts, and Charlotte Burns, senior editor of In Other Words, for our eighth episode. Together, they discuss what it means to be radical in today's art world, weighing the critical and commercial distinctions between globalism, internationalism and cosmopolitanism.

"In Other Words" is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby's, produced by Audiation.fm.

For a full transcript, click here: http://www.artagencypartners.com/episode-8-being-radical-with-robert-storr/

May 16 2017

30mins

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Rank #7: #10: The Art Media

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Joining our host Charlotte Burns for a discussion on the state of the art media are Jori Finkel, a regular contributor to the New York Times and the West Coast correspondent for The Art Newspaper; Judd Tully, the award-winning journalist who is the Editor-At-Large at Blouin Art + Auction magazine; and Amy Cappellazzo, co-founder of Art Agency, Partners and Chairman at Sotheby's Global Fine Arts division. 

From changing business models to the impact of the internet, they touch on challenges in the media as well as reasons to be cheerful. 

This is a topic we may come back to at a later date, with different perspectives on the same, changing, subject. 

"In Other Words" is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby's, produced by Audiation.fm.

For a full transcript, click here: 

http://www.artagencypartners.com/episode-10-the-art-media/

Jun 15 2017

26mins

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Rank #8: #60: David Zwirner Needs No Introduction

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“I really felt ten years ago that there was a huge opportunity for me at different levels in the art world,” says David Zwirner, whose eponymous gallery opened in New York more than 25 years ago, has since expanded to London and Hong Kong and is increasingly focusing on its online strategy. “Of course, expansion fuels expansion,” he says. “At the same time, I think there's a huge risk. There's definitely a ‘too big’ possible.”

In conversation with Allan Schwartzman (co-founder of AAP and a chairman of Sotheby's) and our host Charlotte Burns (executive editor, In Other Words), Zwirner discusses the future of the business and the state of the market—and talks about what he is looking for in the next generation of artists.

For more, tune in today.

Transcript: https://www.artagencypartners.com/transcript-60-david-zwirner/

“In Other Words” is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby’s, produced by Audiation.fm.

Jun 06 2019

58mins

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Rank #9: #68: Our First Impressions of the New MoMA

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The Museum of Modern Art reopens this month after a $450m expansion that has added more than 47,000 sq. ft and many new galleries that tell a different story of modern and contemporary art.

 In this podcast, AAP co-founder Allan Schwartzman and In Other Words host Charlotte Burns review the radical rehang of the permanent collection.

Transcript: https://www.artagencypartners.com/transcript-68-live-review-from-the-new-moma/

In Other Words” is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby’s, produced by Audiation.fm.

Oct 23 2019

37mins

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Rank #10: #4: Globalization and Its Discontents with Thomas Krens

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For the fourth episode of “In Other Words”, we welcome Thomas Krens, the former director of the Solomon R. Guggenheim Foundation, and Eric Shiner, senior vice president of Contemporary art at Sotheby’s and former director of The Andy Warhol Museum.

Together with host Charlotte Burns, senior editor at AAP, they will be discussing globalization and its discontents. The conversation covers the politics of culture in the Middle East, the internationalization of museums, Krens’ latest project and much more. 

“In Other Words” is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby’s, produced by Audiation.fm.

Mar 21 2017

45mins

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Rank #11: #46: Art and Power with New Museum Director Lisa Phillips

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Named “the most powerful woman in the New York art world” by The New York Times, Lisa Phillips has been the director of the New Museum of Contemporary Art since 1999. On today’s show, she talks about the future of the museum—from the current $85m capital campaign to the ways in which Phillips sees the institution moving beyond bricks and mortar—with host Charlotte Burns (executive editor, In Other Words) and Allan Schwartzman (co-founder of AAP and Sotheby’s chairman)—who was a founding staff member at the New Museum, hired as a curator aged 19.

Founded in 1977, the museum recently celebrated its 40th anniversary. Phillips and Schwartzman discuss the “spirit of the new” in art, and talk about power—what it means, who has it and how it might better be redefined. Phillips, who was formerly a curator at the Whitney Museum of American Art, discusses the forces that are shaping museums—such as technology and shifting demographics—and how to respond to them.

Transcript: http://www.artagencypartners.com/podcast/lisa-phillips/

“In Other Words” is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby’s, produced by Audiation.fm.

Dec 13 2018

38mins

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Rank #12: #18: The Suit and the Sweater

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The art industry is changing rapidly and, in this episode, Tad Smith (president and CEO of Sotheby's) and Allan Schwartzman discuss how they respond to the challenges and opportunities that this presents. Bringing different perspectives to the conversation, they discuss how to create change and foster innovation.

"In Other Words" is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby's, produced by Audiation.fm.

For a transcript, click here: http://www.artagencypartners.com/episode-18-transcript-tad-smith-allan-schwartzman/

Nov 02 2017

30mins

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Rank #13: #56: Power, Purpose and Privilege with Artists Nari Ward and Derrick Adams

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“As an artist I feel like it’s my role to bring that moment of history—that moment of doubt, frustration, of fear—into the present,” says Nari Ward in conversation with fellow artist Derrick Adams on this episode of In Other Words.

Ward is the subject of a major retrospective at the New Museum (“Nari Ward: We The People” until 26 May)—which spans 25 years of his work and has been heralded as “persistent and liberating” by The New York Times. The sculptor—who has been called an accumulation artist for his often large-scale work involving discarded material—has lived and worked in Harlem since the beginning of his career and uses the neighborhood as source and inspiration.

Art is the perfect medium for exploring such complicated subjects as gentrification, power and the AIDS crisis, Ward says: “It should challenge, consume, maybe even disrupt—and then it should also figure out, because it is art. It is artifice. It is a safe space to consider those different moments.”Adams is the subject of two concurrent exhibitions on show in New York right now (“Derrick Adams: Interior Life” at Luxembourg & Dayan and “Derrick Adams: New Icons” at Mary Boone Gallery). “I thought that successful art was about penetrating the world with images that you want people to see,” he says to host Charlotte Burns. “I want to give viewers other options of looking at black American culture”, he says, especially the normalcy of “what people were doing as a break.”

Together, Ward and Adams discuss all the big stuff: from God and spirituality in art, to the power and purpose of making art. They talk real estate and repression, and discuss the power of imagination and moral compassion. 

Tune in to In Other Words today for this and much more.

Transcript:

https://www.artagencypartners.com/transcript-56-nari-ward-and-derrick-adams/

“In Other Words” is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby’s, produced by Audiation.fm.

Apr 11 2019

1hr 24mins

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Rank #14: #22: Authority and Anxiety with MoMA Director Glenn Lowry

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”In the particular political moment in which we live, the question of authority and voice has become increasingly important,” says Glenn Lowry, director of MoMA. ”Who has the right to speak for whom? How do we imagine someone else's voice?”

In this wide-ranging conversation, Lowry describes the museum as a crucible during a ”very flammable moment” and talks about the role of culture today. He discusses technology at the museum and the value of thinking slowly. Talking with host Charlotte Burns, Lowry covers various topics including MoMA’s expansion, the possibilities of closer institutional collaboration, the importance of anxiety—and lots more besides. 

Transcript: http://www.artagencypartners.com/episode-22-transcript-glenn-lowry/

"In Other Words" is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby's, produced by Audiation.fm.

Jan 11 2018

33mins

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Rank #15: #21: Emerging Art with Whitney Biennial Curator Christopher Y. Lew

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“We're in a moment where we are all paying attention to what's going on in the headlines. Many artists are thinking about what kind of world their work is entering into, and how to respond to or deal with the times we live in,” says Christopher Y. Lew, co-curator of the 2017 Whitney Biennial, who talks about his travels across America researching emerging art for the biennial.

For a transcript of the show, click here: http://www.artagencypartners.com/episode-21-transcript-christopher-y-lew-talks-emerging-art/

"In Other Words" is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby's, produced by Audiation.fm.

Dec 14 2017

27mins

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Rank #16: #59: Andy Warhol: Sex, Death, Beauty and Disaster

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Andy Warhol is one of the best-known—but perhaps least understood—artists of the 20th century. “Warhol shifted the paradigm. He shifted the conversation. That's why we're still grappling with him. Love him or hate him,” says Donna De Salvo, the senior curator and deputy director for International Initiatives at the Whitney Museum of American Art, who recently organized the blockbuster exhibition "Andy Warhol—From A to B and Back Again" (on show now at the San Francisco Museum of Modern Art, until 2 September).

Beyond the glamour of the celebrity and consumerism so often associated with Warhol, there is something destabilizing about his work, says Dominique Lévy, the co-founder of Lévy Gorvy—which is showing “Warhol Women” in New York (until 15 June). “If you spend enough time in front of a Warhol painting, little by little it unnerves you,” Lévy says.

When people fetishize the trophy of the Marilyn, they're missing a certain point of the way that Warhol is constantly disrupting,” De Salvo says: “Whether it's the off registration of the screen, through the color, through the scale, the multiplicity of images. He's not about a fixed image. He's actually quite the opposite and that gets to issues of identity.”

Together with host Charlotte Burns, Lévy and De Salvo discuss the radical aspects of Warhol's work, discussing how much of it is still undervalued and under-appreciated—particularly drawings from the 1950s and works from the 1970s and 1980s. “He reinvents himself and becomes more and more conceptual, and more and more relevant,” Lévy says.

“His project ends because he dies,” De Salvo says: "He was just getting going again." Ultimately, she says, Warhol “reflected these twin American desires, which are at odds: our desire to innovate and our desire to conform.”

For this and more, tune in today.

Transcript: https://www.artagencypartners.com/transcript-60-warhols-women/

“In Other Words” is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby’s, produced by Audiation.fm.

May 30 2019

51mins

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Rank #17: #29: The Future Of The Museum

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This week we bring you a special episode from Hong Kong, where we staged our first ever live In Other Words event on 29 March, a panel discussion on "The Future of The Museum”. Our guests included Michael Govan, director, Los Angeles County Museum of Art (LACMA); Doryun Chong, deputy director and chief curator, M+ in Hong Kong; and Allan Schwartzman. The panel was introduced by Kevin Ching, CEO of Sotheby’s Asia and moderated by Charlotte Burns. 

Joining us remotely was Budi Tek, the founder of the Yuz Museum and Foundation, Shanghai, who broke the news of an unprecedented collaboration between Yuz and LACMA. This opened a discussion about the increasing willingness of museum directors and private patrons to collaborate and share. Our panelists also spoke about where innovation is taking place geographically; about cultural norms and how they manifest differently region to region; and about new technologies, such as augmented reality, and how they might impact museums and exhibition making. These are, of course, just a few of the topics covered. Tune in for the rest. 

Transcript: http://www.artagencypartners.com/transcript-the-future-of-the-museum-2/

“In Other Words” is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby’s, produced by Audiation.fm.

Apr 19 2018

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Rank #18: #9: The Road Less Travelled with Joel Mesler

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We're introducing a new feature for the ninth episode of "In Other Words", a one-on-one interview with a person who has taken an unusual approach to making their way in the art world— someone who has taken the road less travelled.

Joining us this week, Joel Mesler tells us why he recently left Manhattan's Lower East Side to open an art gallery in East Hampton, Rental Gallery. Joel, who is an artist as well as a dealer, talks to us about what it takes to survive in the industry.

"In Other Words" is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby's, produced by Audiation.fm.

For a full transcript, click here: http://www.artagencypartners.com/episode-9-the-road-less-travelled-with-joel-mesler/

Jun 01 2017

30mins

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Rank #19: #37: Art Across America, with Chrissie Iles, Carolyn Ramo and Hamza Walker

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Where is the great art being made in America today? In this episode, our guests Chrissie Iles (Anne and Joel Ehrenkranz curator at the Whitney Museum of American art), Carolyn Ramo (executive director, Artadia) and Hamza Walker (executive director, LAXART) join our host Charlotte Burns to discuss the subject.

They talk about art being made throughout the United States in places outside the major market hubs, as well as ways to broaden the lens through which we view contemporary art in this country. “We're currently in an extremely dynamic moment for emerging artists and for culture,” Iles says in conversation with our other guests, who talk about how collectors and curators might discover—and steward—the art of their region.

Transcript: http://www.artagencypartners.com/transcript-art-across-america-with-chrissie-iles-carolyn-ramo-and-hamza-walker

“In Other Words” is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby’s, produced by Audiation.fm.

Aug 16 2018

36mins

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Rank #20: #15: Lust for Life—Collecting Art with Herbert Lust

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A literature professor and Fulbright scholar turned investment banker, 90-year old Herbert Lust has one of the leading collections of works by artists including Alberto Giacometti, Robert Indiana and Hans Bellmer, among others. 

Lust, who in 1969 wrote one of the first books about art collecting as an investment, talks to our host Charlotte Burns about his extraordinary life, discussing his friendships with artists and passing along some advice for collectors.

Robert Indiana: Works from the Collection of Herbert Lust” is on show at S|2 Gallery from 8 September until 6 October

"In Other Words" is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby's, produced by Audiation.fm.

Sep 21 2017

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