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Thinking CAP is a weekly podcast featuring the nation’s top progressive leaders and influencers. The show covers the major issues at the intersection of activism, race, policy, and politics. Hosted by Daniella Gibbs Léger and Ed Chung.

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Thinking CAP is a weekly podcast featuring the nation’s top progressive leaders and influencers. The show covers the major issues at the intersection of activism, race, policy, and politics. Hosted by Daniella Gibbs Léger and Ed Chung.

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By Kalya K. - Apr 23 2018
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Sorry. I sent comments to wrong podcast. I love you!!! 😊

Great podcast

By Sara4 - Oct 05 2017
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Love the two hosts, their topics and their interview subjects.

iTunes Ratings

110 Ratings
Average Ratings
95
5
0
3
7

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By Kalya K. - Apr 23 2018
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Sorry. I sent comments to wrong podcast. I love you!!! 😊

Great podcast

By Sara4 - Oct 05 2017
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Love the two hosts, their topics and their interview subjects.
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Latest release on Sep 05, 2019

The Best Episodes Ranked Using User Listens

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Rank #1: Jon Lovett and the ‘Dumbest Criminals’ in the Trump Orbit

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When Jon Lovett left his gig as speechwriter to former President Barack Obama to write for television in Hollywood, he wasn’t entirely sure a career in politics was in his immediate professional future. But clearly, Lovett has found his way back into politics: Crooked, the media company he co-founded with a few White House colleagues, has taken off beyond any of its founders’ expectations. Does he regret it? Hardly. With a full slate of podcasts and projects under the Crooked banner, Lovett joined Daniella and Ed to meditate on the malevolence (or is it incompetence?) of the Trump administration, Jeff Bezos’ stand against blackmail, and the ongoing political crisis in Virginia.

*Editor's note: this episode contains explicit language.

Feb 14 2019

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Rank #2: In 2016, White Evangelicals Acted More White Than Evangelical

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Best-selling author, Reza Aslan joins Michele Igor to discuss his new book, "God: A Human History." Aslan shares a dire warning about what he believes is a cult-like religious fervor among Trump supporters, and tells us why he's not surprised Trumpism failed in VA and NJ in Tuesday's elections. Then he shares the three reasons he believes white evangelicals votes for Donald Trump(clue: his whiteness and richness are both factors.)

Nov 09 2017

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Rank #3: 5 Years After Sandy Hook, Gun Massacres Are on the Rise

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Five years after the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, there’s still no sign of comprehensive gun safety legislation out of Congress. With President Donald Trump in office, backed by $30 million of NRA funding, legislative solutions look more and more unlikely. On this episode, Sarah Clements shares her deeply personal experience of the shooting at Sandy Hook, waiting for news about her mother’s fate, and how it propelled her to advocate for gun violence prevention. Then, Michele and Igor speak with Chelsea Parsons, vice president of Guns and Crime Policy at the Center for American Progress about the continued fight for solutions to this issue, the NRA’s playbook, and how gun violence prevention groups can effectively engage with communities of color.

Dec 21 2017

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Rank #4: Ben Rhodes on the End of American Leadership in the World

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Ben Rhodes, former deputy national security adviser for President Obama and author of “The World As It Is: A Memoir of the Obama White House,” joins Michele Jawando and Mike Fuchs to reflect on his years as a top adviser to the president. Rhodes reacts to the backlash over family separations at the border and responds to claims that the Obama administration had a similar policy. He also reveals the self-doubt President Obama felt after Trump's election and why Obama worried his presidency was 10 or 20 years too early. Finally, Rhodes shares the story of how he nearly derailed then candidate Obama's presidential campaign back in 2008.

Jun 21 2018

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Rank #5: Ending the War on Marijuana with Sen. Cory Booker and Weldon Angelos (LIVE from Washington D.C.)

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Senator Cory Booker (D-NJ) and Weldon Angelos join Michele and Igor LIVE from Washington D.C. to discuss decriminalizing marijuana. Booker discusses his efforts in Congress to reform outdated federal marijuana policies that predominantly affect people of color, the drastic need for real sentencing reform, and the role activists must play to get this work done. Angelos shares his own experience with harsh marijuana laws—sentenced to 55 years for a first time offense. Booker also shares his initial thoughts on Justice Kennedy’s retirement from the Supreme Court.

For more like this, check out Senator Cory Booker’s podcast “Lift Every Voice”: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/lift-every-voice/id1334991206?mt=2
and follow @SmartonCrimeUS on twitter

Jun 28 2018

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Rank #6: Not the Postracial Society We Thought It Would Be

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Michele and Igor are joined by Kenneth B. Morris Jr.—the great-great-great-grandson of Frederick Douglass; the great-great-grandson of Booker T. Washington and the co-founder and president of the Frederick Douglass Family Initiatives—to discuss the bicentennial of Douglass' birth, his legacy as a radical abolitionist and civil rights leader and what young activists can learn from him today. Morris also speaks to President Donald Trump’s ignition of racial tensions in the last year, shares what he believes American classrooms are getting wrong in their teaching of slavery, and why Trump’s reaction to Colin Kaepernick mirrors the backlash Frederick Douglass received for his protest 200 years ago.

Feb 22 2018

33mins

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Rank #7: Why I'm Still Suing the President

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Massachusetts Attorney General Maura Healey sits down with Michele and Igor to discuss the renewed debate on guns following the school shooting in Parkland, Florida. She shares how her state's strict gun laws have helped make Massachusetts safer and could be a good framework for the nation; her disappointment after Trump rescinded an invitation to meet with her and other state AGs; and how she is fighting back against what she believes are unconstitutional measures from the White House. Over the last year, Healey has sued the Trump Administration more times than she can count—over the president's executive orders on immigration, his repeal of the Clean Power Plan, and the Department of Education's failure to discharge student loans for students who attended predatory for-profit institutions.

Mar 01 2018

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Rank #8: To Impeach or Not To Impeach—That Is the Question

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As President Donald Trump absconds to the United Kingdom for the pomp and circumstance of a visit with Queen Elizabeth and the royal family, Jesse Lee, senior adviser for Communications at the Center for American Progress and this week's guest, is here to remind us from what Trump may be running away. Whether it’s the question of impeachment heating up in Congress, or his son-in-law, Jared Kushner’s, recent disastrous interview discussing birtherism, or the ongoing drip of corruption stories emanating from the highest rungs of his administration, things are not going great for the Trump team. In this episode, Daniella and Ed break down and weigh the merits of the rising talk of impeachment with Lee, and Ed pontificates on his newest fascination: UFOs.

Jun 06 2019

33mins

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Rank #9: BONUS EPISODE: Jeffrey Toobin on Brett Kavanaugh’s #MeToo Moment

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CNN’s Chief Legal Analyst Jeffrey Toobin joins Daniella and Ed to discuss the new sexual assault allegations against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh. They draw on the eerie parallels to Anita Hill’s experience back in 1991 and look at how today’s #MeToo Movement might a foretell a different outcome. They also digest the plea deal Trump’s former campaign manager, Paul Manafort, made with the special counsel and break down what it all means for the president. Finally, they look at the extraordinary life of Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Toobin reveals what he—and some liberals—see as a "selfish act."

Sep 17 2018

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Rank #10: Your Internet Access Is At Risk

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The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) has released a plan to repeal net neutrality, the law that protects open internet access by stopping companies from charging more and blocking certain websites from their consumers. Michele and Igor sit down with FCC Commissioner Jessica Rosenworcel, one of the five people who will be deciding the fate of net neutrality, to break down the importance of open internet access.

Also make sure to listen to the end for a new segment from Michele and Igor!

Nov 30 2017

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Rank #11: April Ryan: ‘He Hates Me, But That’s Fine’

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April Ryan is hardly a rookie. Having covered the past four presidential administrations as the White House Bureau Chief for American Urban Radio Networks, Ryan’s reporting instincts have found new resonance in the Trump era. She has been personally attacked by the president and singled out by his senior staff on a number of occasions, so we wanted to know: How does she keep her cool and stay focused on her work? The veteran correspondent sat down with Daniella and Ed this week to discuss how being one of the most prominent black, female White House reporters has changed under this administration; why she interviewed Steve Bannon; why she would interview David Duke; and why she’s a winner through it all.

Nov 21 2018

32mins

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Rank #12: We Will Not Cower, Jeff Sessions

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This morning in Sacramento, California, U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced that the Trump administration will sue the state of California over their so-called sanctuary state laws. Sacramento Mayor Darrell Steinberg—after missing his flight out of Washington, D.C., in hopes of joining protesters at Sessions’ announcement—shares his initial reaction to the lawsuit with Michele and Igor. He discusses what his city and California will do to fight back, why this attack from the U.S. Department of Justice will only hinder public safety in his city, and how this Trump policy is rooted in racism. Mayor Steinberg also discusses recent initiatives in his city to conquer mental health issues and the stigma that surround them.

Mar 07 2018

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Rank #13: Ending Mass Incarceration, With Emily Bazelon and Rachel Barkow

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Glimpsing the nightly news or scrolling through your Twitter timeline on any given day, it might seem like the U.S. on the cusp of achieving bipartisan, comprehensive criminal justice reform. In reality, however, many of the reforms being proposed or enacted are relatively modest in scope. In this episode, Daniella and Ed are joined by Emily Bazelon, staff writer at the New York Times Magazine, and Rachel Barkow, professor at the New York University School of Law, who have both authored new books exploring system-upending ways to end the cycle of mass incarceration. Bazelon and Barkow consider the role of the prosecutor in these reforms as well as ways to insulate justice reform from political influence or populist whims.

May 02 2019

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Rank #14: Yes, the President Is Still a Racist

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President Donald Trump had himself another very bad, no good, extremely racist week, and it seems the rest of the nation is finally taking notice of the trend. With a majority of Americans now believing that the president—the same president who hasn’t backed away from his accusations against the Central Park Five, who propagated the birther conspiracy against President Barack Obama, and who called Mexicans rapists on the first day of his presidential campaign—is indeed a racist, his latest digs against four freshmen congresswomen of color and Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-MD) have elicited broad reproach. In fact, last weekend, 149 Black former Obama administration staffers published an op-ed in The Washington Post rebuking Trump’s words and deeds and refusing to sit idly by.

This week, Daniella—who signed the op-ed herself—was joined by Khalilah Harris and Clarence Fluker, two former Obama staffers, who reflected on the emotional past weeks and discussed what can be done in the face of the administration’s naked racism moving forward.

Aug 01 2019

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Rank #15: This Is Us: Valerie Jarrett, Mayor Michael Tubbs, and the Long Road to Progress

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The pod is in New York City for the second annual Smart On Crime Innovations Conference—an annual convening to change the criminal justice system to be fairer and more just, comprehensive, and effective. Ed and Daniella were lucky to be joined by Valerie Jarrett, formerly the senior adviser to President Barack Obama, and Michael Tubbs, the 28-year-old mayor of Stockton, California. Mayor Tubbs offers his personal philosophy for how leadership at the local level can move the needle on criminal justice reform, and Jarrett provides her take on the ongoing sexual assault allegations against Judge Brett Kavanaugh and what they portend for the future of the Supreme Court and the country. Finally, we all find common ground in a certain hit television series. And attention: spoiler alerts within, but don't worry—they're from last season.

Sep 27 2018

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Rank #16: A Shithole Place Called Racism

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Last week, in an Oval Office meeting to discuss a path forward for Dreamers, President Donald Trump made the now infamous comment that he’d like fewer immigrants from African nations—what he described as, “shithole countries.” Obviously, Michele and Igor have a lot to discuss. They take a deep dive into the long history of Trump's racist behavior, from discriminating against black Americans who wanted to rent his apartments in the 1970s to launching a presidential campaign where he called Mexicans "rapists." Michele and Igor are joined by Phil Wolgin, managing director for Immigration Policy at CAP, and Rejane Frederick, associate director for the Poverty to Prosperity Program at CAP. They provide the context behind the nation's racist immigration policies and and explain today's power structures that perpetuate many of these ideologies.

Jan 18 2018

27mins

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Rank #17: BONUS EPISODE: Russian Athletes Aren’t the Only Ones Doping

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The Pyeongchang 2018’s Winter Olympic Games are upon us. Michele and Igor go behind the scenes with Huffington Post reporter Travis Waldron to discuss the economic, environmental, and political impacts of the Olympics; the $109 million stadium that will be used for four events before being torn down, the likelihood that Korea’s unified team will bring lasting resolution to geopolitics of the Korean peninsula, and why the Olympic ban on Russia for doping is just a public relations tactic from the International Olympic Committee.

Feb 13 2018

26mins

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Rank #18: Nayyera Haq: Are There Any Adults in the Room?

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Nayyera Haq is asking the right questions. As a former White House and State Department official in the Obama administration, Haq knows what a functioning government looks like — and knows this isn’t it. In this episode, Haq taps her past life as a government official and joins Daniella and Ed to talk about the Trump administration’s foreign policy ethos (strategic pessimism), the anonymous New York Times op-ed (no big deal), and being a new parent (smelly). She also shares her thoughts on the so-called Department of Swagger, and why the 25th Amendment sounds so intriguing.

Sep 13 2018

26mins

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Rank #19: The Rise of Hate

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Under the campaign and presidency of Donald Trump, America has witnessed a rise in hate crimes, anti-Semitic incidents, anti-Muslim violence and a resurgence of white supremacy like never before. Richard Cohen, president of the Southern Poverty Law Center, and George Selim, senior vice president of programs at the Anti-Defamation League join Igor and guest host Ed Chung, a former prosecutor of hate crimes at the Department of Justice, to discuss the face of hate in America, what has fueled the rise in these incidents, what individuals, states and the federal government can do to combat hate at every level and why we have seen a lack of outrage from our politicians.

Mar 22 2018

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Rank #20: The [Redacted] Mueller Report: Where Things Stand, With Max Bergmann

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A week has passed since special counsel Robert Mueller issued his redacted 448-page report on Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. After nearly two years—and an additional three weeks of suspense, thanks to U.S. Attorney General William Barr’s stalling efforts—the public finally got a glimpse into Mueller’s investigation, but has largely been left with more questions than answers. Daniella and Ed brought in Max Bergmann, a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress and director of CAP Action Fund's Moscow Project, to discuss the contours of the report. As Bergmann puts it, the report outlines extensive collusion between President Donald Trump's campaign and Russian efforts to elect him to the presidency—and, more importantly, serves as an impeachment referral for Congress. While the Mueller report in no way exonerates the president, it remains to be seen whether or not Congress will act on Mueller’s referral or how the Trump adminstration will continue to fight the facts.

Apr 25 2019

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