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Tired of liberals and conservatives screaming partisan talking points? We were, and so we created The Politics Guys as a sane and civil alternative. Each week, a liberal and a conservative talk *to*, not at each other, in an attempt to better understand the week in politics & policy. We're not about scoring cheap partisan points or preaching to the ideological choir. We reject the notion that people who see the world differently are either stupid or evil. Our mission is to promote a shared, evidence-based understanding of American politics and policy. We hope you'll join us.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-politics-guys/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

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Tired of liberals and conservatives screaming partisan talking points? We were, and so we created The Politics Guys as a sane and civil alternative. Each week, a liberal and a conservative talk *to*, not at each other, in an attempt to better understand the week in politics & policy. We're not about scoring cheap partisan points or preaching to the ideological choir. We reject the notion that people who see the world differently are either stupid or evil. Our mission is to promote a shared, evidence-based understanding of American politics and policy. We hope you'll join us.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-politics-guys/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

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Excellent, insightful, and balanced

By MVH2239 - May 25 2020
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One of my favorite podcasts to listen to due to thoughtful commentary, attention to balance the perspectives of both sides of the issue, and commentators would have a depth of understanding of both political theory and its application in our politicized and antagonist time. Nice that it doesn’t have an overall agenda to convince or turn you on issues, but inform you on important events shaping our democracy and provide context through both liberal and conservative lenses. Tend to agree with the viewpoints of Michael, due to having some conservative leanings but do not necessarily agree with how the principles are applied currently. If unsure, give it a try and it will not be a waste of your time.

I don’t get what happened to Mike this week

By YoungHoly13 - May 16 2020
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Michael saying Trump was innocent over and over is insane. Mike kept just saying yep to Jay on everything about the mueller investigation. What happened to you? I think this might finally be the reason I stop listening. What happened to back bone. Now suddenly because Schiff is dishonest trump is innocent. It’s really sad

iTunes Ratings

629 Ratings
Average Ratings
498
58
19
17
37

Excellent, insightful, and balanced

By MVH2239 - May 25 2020
Read more
One of my favorite podcasts to listen to due to thoughtful commentary, attention to balance the perspectives of both sides of the issue, and commentators would have a depth of understanding of both political theory and its application in our politicized and antagonist time. Nice that it doesn’t have an overall agenda to convince or turn you on issues, but inform you on important events shaping our democracy and provide context through both liberal and conservative lenses. Tend to agree with the viewpoints of Michael, due to having some conservative leanings but do not necessarily agree with how the principles are applied currently. If unsure, give it a try and it will not be a waste of your time.

I don’t get what happened to Mike this week

By YoungHoly13 - May 16 2020
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Michael saying Trump was innocent over and over is insane. Mike kept just saying yep to Jay on everything about the mueller investigation. What happened to you? I think this might finally be the reason I stop listening. What happened to back bone. Now suddenly because Schiff is dishonest trump is innocent. It’s really sad
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The Politics Guys

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Tired of liberals and conservatives screaming partisan talking points? We were, and so we created The Politics Guys as a sane and civil alternative. Each week, a liberal and a conservative talk *to*, not at each other, in an attempt to better understand the week in politics & policy. We're not about scoring cheap partisan points or preaching to the ideological choir. We reject the notion that people who see the world differently are either stupid or evil. Our mission is to promote a shared, evidence-based understanding of American politics and policy. We hope you'll join us.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-politics-guys/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

Rank #1: Ask The Politics Guys: What Do You Guys Read (and Watch)?

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This week’s Ask the Politics Guys question has come up a bunch of times from listeners. How do we keep up with political news, and what do we recommend for listeners trying to get a better big-picture understanding of American politics. (We’ll be posting links to all of the recommendations mentioned in this episode on … Continue reading "Ask The Politics Guys: What Do You Guys Read (and Watch)?"

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Mar 16 2016

28mins

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Rank #2: PG112: Charlottesville, North Korea, Opioid Emergency, Climate Report

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This week's show starts with the tragic events in Charlottesville, VA where there were multiple clashes between white nationalist protesters and counter-protesters, the most horrific by far being a young white man deliberately ramming his vehicle into the counter-protesters, resulting in one death and 19 injuries. President Trump condemned the violence, but made no specific mention of white nationalists or other hate groups by name, instead pointedly saying that there was violence 'on many sides'. Later on Saturday, the Justice Department announced that it would be starting a civil rights investigation into the the circumstances of the deadly car ramming. Next, it's a look at the situation between the United State and North Korea. As President Trump doubles down on his bellicose rhetoric in response to North Korea's typical semi-lunatic public pronouncements, Mike and Jay consider whether President Trump has a strategy and what options the US has. After that, the Guys discuss the opioid crisis, which President Trump has declared to be a national emergency, as well as a new draft climate report that government officials leaked to the media for fear that the Trump administration might downplay or possibly even bury their findings. We hope you'll check out the sponsors of this episode: Blue Bottle Coffee. Go to https://www.bluebottlecoffee.com/TPG for $10 off your first coffee subscription order. Casper. Politics Guys listeners get $50 dollars toward any mattress purchase by going to https://www.casper.com/tpg Dollar Shave Club, where new members get their 1st month of the Executive Razor with a tube of their Dr. Carver’s Shave Butter for ONLY $5 with FREE shipping by going to https://www.dollarshaveclub.com/TPG Listener support helps make The Politics Guys possible. If you’re interested in supporting the show, go to http://www.politicsguys.com and click on the Patreon link.

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Aug 13 2017

51mins

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Rank #3: PG55: Clinton’s Email, Trump’s Energy Policy, Obama’s Asian Trip, The TSA

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This week’s episode starts with a discussion of the State Department Inspector General’s report on Hillary Clinton’s use of a personal email server while she was Secretary of State. Both Mike and Jay agree that Clinton screwed up, though they don’t quite see eye-to-eye on how big (or how criminal) that screw-up was. Next, they … Continue reading "PG55: Clinton’s Email, Trump’s Energy Policy, Obama’s Asian Trip, The TSA"

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May 29 2016

49mins

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Rank #4: Ask The Politics Guys: What to Expect from a Trump Presidency

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Mike and Jay take a look at what we might expect from a Trump presidency in a number of areas, including health care, immigration, economic regulation & tax policy, the Supreme Court, climate change, international relations, and infrastructure. They also discuss the survival of the Senate filibuster, corruption and transparency in a Trump administration, the … Continue reading "Ask The Politics Guys: What to Expect from a Trump Presidency"

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Nov 16 2016

49mins

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Rank #5: PG 118: Trump's UN Speech, The Escalating Nomenclature of North Korea and the United States, Facebook and Drudge go Russian, and the Alabama Primary

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This week Trey explains how hurricane Irma had him evacuate the state of Florida and offer thanks to all the listeners who inquired about his family and home. Then Trey and Jay turn to politics and the week's biggest story: Trump's United Nations speech. Trey, despite himself, was a bit impressed, but Trey and Jay disagree over the bigger implications of the speech. Most pointedly, they debate whether the Republican Party has given up on classical liberalism as an economic policy. Next they move to the escalating war of words between Trump and Kim Jong-un. Jay argues that we cannot have another cold war future and Trey offers a bit of caution to the rhetoric. After that they tackle the news that Facebook was being used by Russians for advertising purposes during the election and that Matt Drudge consistently linked to Russian propaganda. Finally Trey and Jay turn to the Alabama primary and Trump's unique endorsement before explaining why they didn't talk health care. This week's sponsors: DaVinci: providing access to affordable office locations in every city. Book your space now and get one hour free for listeners at http://www.DaVinciMeeting.com/TPG Zip Recruiter: get quality candidates for your job posting. Listeners can use it for free by visiting http://www.ZipRecruiter.com/politicsguy

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Sep 23 2017

59mins

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Rank #6: PG139: Trump's Tariffs, Gun Policy, A New Cold War?, Hicks Quits

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This week's show starts with a discussion of the 'national security' tariffs President Trump announced he planned to impose on steel and aluminum. Mike and Jay are in agreement that the tariffs are a terrible idea and not at all related to national security. Jay points out that this is an issue where President Trump is getting more support from Democrats from his fellow Republicans, who were generally upset and dismayed at the announcement. The president further disturbed many in his own party this week by suggesting he was in favor of tougher gun laws than most Congressional Republican are likely to support. Mike makes the point that we've seen the president make similar statements on other issues - immigration most notably - and then fall back into GOP orthodoxy in the end. The Guys also look at a variety of other gun policy related developments that took place over the last week. Next is a discussion of Russian president Vladimir Putin's bellicose speech about the U.S. threat to global security and new weapons systems Russia has developed to thwart U.S. missile defenses. This comes shortly after NSA and U.S. Cyber Command chief Mike Rogers told the Senate Intelligence Committee that we're not doing enough to prevent Russian cyberattacks on our election systems. Finally, it's a look at what seems to be a West Wing in disarray, following the departure of Hope Hicks as communications director. Mike and Jay agree that the extremely high level of turnover - especially in the communications area - is yet another indication that Donald Trump is an impulsive person who hates being managed and bridles at the necessity of message discipline. What Jay's Reading : The Only Good Thing About Donald Trump Is All His Policies. Joseph Epstein. (WSJ. Unfortunately, it's behind a paywall and there's no non-paywall version of this article. But you really should check out Epstein's wonderful writing, which you can do without having to deal with a paywall at The Weekly Standard.)   What Mike's Reading The Fractured Republic. Yuval Levin   Republic, Lost: Version 2.0. Lawrence Lessig Listener support helps make The Politics Guys possible. If you’re interested in supporting the show, go to politicsguys.com/support

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Mar 03 2018

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Rank #7: Trump vs the Senate, Browns Protest, Trump vs the Eclipse, Listener Mail

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Mike and Jay weren't able to get to everything they wanted to cover on Saturday's show, so they decided to do this 'Saturday Spillover' show. In it, they talk about President Trump's escalating battle with Senate Republicans, the largest ever NFL football team national anthem protest, whether Donald Trump actually looked at the eclipse without protective glasses and why it matters, as well as answering some listener mail. We hope you'll check out the sponsors of this episode: Seatgeek. Politics Guys listeners get $20 dollars off their first SeatGeek purchase by download the SeatGeek app or going to https://www.seatgeek.com and entering promo code POLITICSGUY. ZipRecruiter. Politics Guys listeners can post jobs on ZipRecruiter for FREE by going to https://www.ZipRecruiter.com/politicsguy Listener support helps make The Politics Guys possible. If you’re interested in supporting the show, go to http://www.politicsguys.com and click on the Patreon link.

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Aug 30 2017

38mins

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Rank #8: PG42: Trump Up, Bush Out, Clinton Wins NV, The Post-Scalia Court, Apple vs. the Feds

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This week, The Politics Guys start by looking at Donald Trump’s (expected) big win in South Carolina, and Jeb Bush’s somewhat unexpected self-mercy-killing after a dismal showing. Next, they turn to the Democratic side, where Hillary Clinton beat out Bernie Sanders in Nevada’s caucus. The Guys look at the upcoming challenges for both sides – … Continue reading "PG42: Trump Up, Bush Out, Clinton Wins NV, The Post-Scalia Court, Apple vs. the Feds"

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Feb 21 2016

40mins

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Rank #9: PG80: Russian Hacking, Questionable Trump Picks, Fed Rate Hike

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This week, Mike and Jay start out by talking more about Russian hacking: What we know, how it may have affected the election, Donald Trump’s response, and if the U.S. should retaliate. After that they look at the latest picks in Donald Trump’s administration, particularly the hard-liner he’s chosen as Ambassador to Israel. Finally, it’s … Continue reading "PG80: Russian Hacking, Questionable Trump Picks, Fed Rate Hike"

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Dec 18 2016

51mins

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Rank #10: Henry Petroski on The State of American Infrastructure

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Mike talks with Henry Petroski, a Professor of Civil Engineering and History at Duke University. Dr. Petroski is a prolific scholar and public intellectual - in addition to publishing nineteen books and hundreds of articles in newspapers, magazines, and trade publications, he’s authored over seventy-five academic journal articles. His many books include: The Pencil: A History of Design and Circumstance, The Evolution of Useful Things, The House with Sixteen Handmade Doors, and The Road Taken: The History and Future of America’s Infrastructure. In this episode, Mike and Dr. Petroski discuss learning from failure, how bad US infrastructure really is, why so many big projects seem take longer and cost more than projected, what a good infrastructure bill would look like, and lots more. Dr. Petroski's Recommendations: American Society of Civil Engineers Smart Brief | http://bit.ly/2iRsDSD US Department of Transportation | http://bit.ly/2iRRc1J American Infrastructure Weekly | http://bit.ly/2iRpfHu Trump Administration Infrastructure Initiative | http://bit.ly/2iPSbzA Dr. Petroski's Duke University Page | http://bit.ly/2iQf7i6 We hope you'll consider checking out the sponsors of today's show: Davinci. Book your meeting space at http://www.davincimeeting.com/TPG and the first hour is on them! SeatGeek. Politics Guys listeners get $20 dollars off their first SeatGeek purchase. Just download the SeatGeek app or go to https://www.seatgeek.com and enter promo code POLITICSGUY Listener support helps make The Politics Guys possible. If you’re interested in supporting the show, go to http://www.politicsguys.com and click on the Patreon link.

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Sep 06 2017

45mins

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Rank #11: PG135: GOP vs FBI, State of the Union, Immigration, Infrastructure

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This week's show opens with Mike and Jay's discussion of the 'Nunes Memo', in which the GOP majority of the House Intelligence Committee suggests that the FBI obtained a FISA warrant to spy on Trump campaign associate Carter Page using highly questionable evidence. Jay believes that it's important for this information to come out, while Mike argues that the GOP was wrong to release what he believes to be partial and misleading information. Next is a look at President Trump's State of the Union address. Both Mike and Jay agree that the SOTU is painful and largely pointless political theater - after explaining why they move on to discuss the two major substantive policy proposals in the speech: a four-point immigration plan and an outline of an upcoming $1.5 trillion infrastructure proposal. What Jay's Reading: Polarization is an Old American Story. (Wall Street Journal - paywall)   What Mike's Reading: TV Gave Us the Modern State of the Union. Then It Killed It. (Politico)  We hope you'll check out the sponsors of today's show:Policygenius.com - the easy way to compare and buy life insurance online. SeatGeek - Politics Guys listeners get $20 off their first SeatGeek purchase. Just download the SeatGeek app and enter promo code POLITICSGUY Listener support helps make The Politics Guys possible. If you’re interested in supporting the show, go to politicsguys.com and click on the Patreon or PayPal link.

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Feb 03 2018

57mins

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Rank #12: Progress, Abortion, Liberals & Conservatives, Transgender Rights

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This week, Mike and Jay tackle a bunch of great listener questions, such as whether or not progress is always a good thing, if being transgendered is a choice, what our philosophical beliefs concerning abortion are, the best case for liberalism (made by Jay) and for conservatism (made by Mike), and lots more.

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Mar 22 2017

45mins

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Rank #13: Ask The Politics Guys: Disguised Socialism in the U.S.?

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This week’s Ask The Politics Guys question comes comes from Janet, in Silver City, NM. Dear Politics Guys, Are current social safety net programs a sort of disguised socialism? Are these programs consistent with capitalism?

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Mar 02 2016

25mins

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Rank #14: PG84: Immigration Ban, NSC Reorg, Fake News, Border Walls, Jay’s Defenders

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Donald Trump has been busy issuing executive orders, with his move to ban immigration from a number of Muslim countries perhaps the most controversial. Mike and Jay look at this, as well as President Trump’s orders that froze government hiring, stopped foreign aid to groups providing abortion counseling, withdrew the US from the Trans Pacific … Continue reading "PG84: Immigration Ban, NSC Reorg, Fake News, Border Walls, Jay’s Defenders"

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Jan 29 2017

52mins

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Rank #15: PG40: Iowa Review, NH Predictions, Drafting Women, Does Kasich want to ‘Tear Down The Wall’?

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This week’s Politics Guys starts off with reviews of Iowa picks from the last show. Jay and Mike more or less nailed it for their respective parties but they both missed on the other side, making for a very solid aggregate prediction. They pat themselves on the back a little and then talk about how … Continue reading "PG40: Iowa Review, NH Predictions, Drafting Women, Does Kasich want to ‘Tear Down The Wall’?"

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Feb 07 2016

34mins

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Rank #16: PG109: Health Bill, Spicer Resigns, Sessions' Rough Week, Electoral Integrity

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This week, Mike and Jay open the show with their thoughts on Senator John McCain, who this week announced that he has a particularly aggressive form of brain cancer. Despite their occasional policy differences with Senator McCain, both of the Guys agree that McCain is a genuine American hero and wish him all the best as he fights his cancer. Next, it's a look at the confusing case of the Senate health bill, or bills actually, as there are at least four of them out there. Neither Mike nor Jay think any of them are likely to pass, and Mike questions how much of a legislative mastermind Majority Leader Mitch McConnell really is. They also discuss how President Trump might force the Obamacare exchanges into failure. After that it's a look at the shakeup in the White House communications operation, President Trump's lack of faith in Attorney General Jeff Sessions, whether Sessions talked with the Russians about policy matters during the campaign, and what to make of President Trump's electoral integrity commission, which held its first meeting this week. Mike's Recommendation This Week: My History Can Beat Up Your Politics (Podcast) http://bit.ly/2unfJzN Jay's Recommendation This Week: Charles Dickens Makes Me Want to Throw Up. David Mamet http://on.wsj.com/2undjAX Interested in supporting the show and getting even more Politics Guys content? Check out our Insiders program at https://www.patreon.com/politicsguys This week's show is sponsored by: Dollar Shave Club where new members get their 1st month of the Executive Razor with a tube of their Dr. Carver’s Shave Butter for ONLY $5 with free shipping by going to https://www.dollarshaveclub.com/TPG Ziprecruiter, where Politics Guys listeners can post jobs for FREE by going to https://www.ZipRecruiter.com/politicsguy

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Jul 23 2017

55mins

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Rank #17: PG107: North Korean Missile Test, American First Meets the G20, Modern Day Presidential, and Illinois Budget

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This week the show kicks off with Mike and Trey talking about the July 4th North Korean Missile Test. The launch is important because it marks the first intercontinental ballistic missile successfully launched by North Korea and Kim Jung Un. Both Mike and Trey agree there are no great options, but that the options that do exist should rule military intervention off the table. Next Mike and Trey examine the recently concluded G20 summit. The two major points of interest are Trump’s meeting with Putin and the response to the U.S. Exiting the Paris agreement. Mike and Trey also briefly look at Trump’s proposal to create an “impenetrable Cyber Security unit” with Russia. After that, the Guys move on to the CNN / Trump feud. Both Trey and Mike agree that the item is mainly non-news, but that it represents a larger shift in political communication. The real story is the change to the news media and to the way politicians disseminate information. In short, Trump might be right that Tweeting is the “modern day presidential” thing to do, even if the Guys worry about the longer term effects. Finally the Guys examine the Illinois budget. The budget, which just passed after two years, brought a bit of disagreement between Mike and Trey. Mike arguing that states have a moral obligation to the poor and Trey arguing that lower taxes must be coupled with lower spending across the board. Please consider checking out this week’s sponsors: Seat Geek, where you can find the best seats at the best prices – fully guaranteed, and it only takes a few taps on the app or a few clicks if you access it through their website. Use our promo code POLITICSGUY for $20 off your first purchase. Go to https://seatgeek.com/ or download the Seat Geek app to save big on tickets. Blue Apron - where you can get all the ingredients for the best meals delivered straight to your door. Try dinner, the Blue Apron way. Use our link https://www.blueapron.com/TPG/

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Jul 09 2017

53mins

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Rank #18: PG134: Government Shutdown, March for Life, NC Gerrymandering

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This week's show starts off with the story everyone's been talking about - the government shutdown. Mike and Jay largely stay away from the blame game consuming most of the media, and try to focus on why both parties did what they did and the role President Trumps leadership (or lack thereof) played. Next, Mike and Jay discuss the 2018 March for Life, as well as some recent actions taken by the Trump administration and the House of Representatives in support of the pro-life movement. While Mike believes that women have a fundamental right to make reproductive decisions prior to fetal viability, he's sympathetic to pro-life people who see essentially all terminated pregnancies as needless deaths. Jay makes the case that in this area, the law is on Mike's side, but that he doesn't find the fundamental right Mike does in the Constitution. Finally, the Guys turn once again to gerrymandering, in light of the Supreme Court overturning the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals' order that North Carolina redraw its Congressional districts by the end of January. Mike agrees with Jay that the Supreme Court made the right call, though they disagree concerning how the Court should ultimately rule. What Mike's Reading Trump's Basic Instincts About the Political War Are Essentially Right, and The Establishment's Sense of It Is Essentially Wrong. What Jay's Reading Bad Weather Is No Reason For Climate AlarmToday's show is sponsored by SeatGeek. Politics Guys listeners get $20 off their first SeatGeek purchase. Just download the SeatGeek app and enter promo code POLITICSGUY. Listener support helps make The Politics Guys possible. If you’re interested in supporting the show, go to politicsguys.com and click on the Patreon or PayPal links.

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Jan 21 2018

47mins

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Rank #19: Glenn Hubbard on Tax Cuts, Growth, Inequality, & Secular Stagnation

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Mike talks to economist Glenn Hubbard. Dr. Hubbard is dean and Russell L. Carson Professor of Finance and Economics at Columbia Business School. In addition to writing more than 100 scholarly articles in economics and finance, Dr. Hubbard is the author of three popular textbooks, as well as co-author of The Aid Trap: Hard Truths About Ending Poverty, Balance: The Economics of Great Powers From Ancient Rome to Modern America, and Healthy, Wealthy, and Wise: Five Steps to a Better Health Care System. Dr. Hubbard also has a wealth of real-world economic policy experience. From 1991 - 1993 he was a Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Treasury. From 2001 until 2003, he was chairman of the U.S. Council of Economic Advisers under President George W. Bush, where he played a key role in the design of the 2003 Bush tax cuts. He also served as an economic advisor to the 2008 and 2012 presidential campaigns of Mitt Romney, and the 2016 campaign of Jeb Bush. In the corporate sector, he serves on the boards of ADP, BlackRock Closed-End Funds, and MetLife. Dr. Hubbard is co-chair of the Committee on Capital Markets Regulation, a past Chair of the Economic Club of New York, and a past co-chair of the Study Group on Corporate Boards. Mike and Dr. Hubbard discuss the fall of great powers throughout history, whether economists are too disconnected from the real world, pro-growth tax reform, what economists agree on, the value added tax, and lots more. Dr. Hubbard Recommends: - The Economist | https://www.economist.com/ - Think tank research. Two of our favorites at The Politics Guys are the right-of-center American Enterprise Institute (http://www.aei.org) and the left-of-center Brookings Institution (https://www.brookings.edu/) Dr. Hubbard's Website: http://glennhubbard.net/ We hope you’ll consider checking out the sponsor of today’s show: SeatGeek. Politics Guys listeners get $20 dollars off their first SeatGeek purchase. Just download the SeatGeek app or go to http://www.seatgeek.com and enter promo code POLITICSGUY. Listener support helps make The Politics Guys possible. If you’re interested in supporting the show, go to http://www.politicsguys.com and click on the Patreon link.

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Sep 27 2017

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Rank #20: Defense Spending, Future Jobs, Overpaying for Health Care, Fossil Fuel Subsidies

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In this listener mail episode, Mike and Jay tackle a bunch of questions including whether we're spending the right amount of money on the right things for national defense, how to deal with a future in which machines are doing so many of the things people currently do, news outlets and columnists we don't agree with but respect and recommend, why Americans pay so much for health care when American healthcare outcomes seem to lag those of other rich countries, and why we're subsidizing the fossil fuel industry. We hope you'll check out the sponsors of this episode: Blue Bottle Coffee. Go to https://www.bluebottlecoffee.com/TPG for $10 off your first coffee subscription order. Casper. Politics Guys listeners get $50 dollars toward any mattress purchase by going to https://www.casper.com/tpg. Dollar Shave Club, where new members get their 1st month of the Executive Razor with a tube of their Dr. Carver’s Shave Butter for ONLY $5 with FREE shipping by going to https://www.dollarshaveclub.com/TPG Listener support helps make The Politics Guys possible. If you’re interested in supporting the show, go to http://www.politicsguys.com and click on the Patreon link.

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Aug 09 2017

47mins

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Coronavirus Legislation, Primary Elections, Medicaid Expansion

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Mike and Jay discuss the impasse in the latest coronavirus legislation, President Trump’s promise to issue executive orders, the latest primary elections, and yet another state’s voters approving Medicaid expansion.


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Aug 08 2020

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Stella Immanuel, Barr Testifies, Big Tech Hearings, Stimulus Stalls

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Trey and Ken discuss Stella Immanuel and the other frontline doctors and what it means to think critically, rationality, and scientifically. They also tackle the failures by House Democrats to hold Attorney General Barr accountable as well the House’s hearings with Apple, Facebook, Amazon and Google’s CEOs. Finally they discuss the gridlock over further COVID stimulus funds and why unemployment benefits are the sticking point.

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Aug 01 2020

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Portland Protests, Operation Legend, Census Concerns, Cancelled Convention, COVID-19

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Mike and Kristin discuss the Portland unrest that seems to have escalated with the arrival of federal officers, as well as the separate issue of Operation Legend in cities across the country. They also take on the issue of President Trump’s executive order to discount undocumented immigrants in the Census with regard to congressional redistricting, as well as cancellation of the in-person events at Republican National Convention and COVID-19 concerns.


Mike’s Weekly Recommendation

I Can Help (1974, Billy Swann)

I Can Help (1989, The Replacements - featuring Tom Waits) 


Kristin’s Weekly Recommendation

Missing in Alaska (podcast)


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Jul 25 2020

1hr 2mins

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John Lewis, Masks, Federal Executions, Trump Campaign Shakeup

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Ralph Waldo Emerson said that “Society is a masked ball, where every one hides his real character, and reveals it by hiding."  Mike and Jay talk about masks, character, and who's hiding what in the Georgia- Atlanta spat, CDC guidance, and Trump's approach to facial coverings. Then the first federal execution in 17 years opens up a discussion about the death penalty, if and how it should be applied, and who should decide those questions.  And Trump once again proves himself to the George Steinbrenner of politics by replacing another campaign manager.  Does this signal a change in direction, or just Trump being Trump?


Mike’s Weekly Recommendation

Andrew Sullivan’s Final NY Magazine Column

The Weekly Dish


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Jul 18 2020

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Stone Commutation, Opening Schools, SCOTUS on Trump’s Finances & the Electoral College

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This week, Mike & Jay discuss the commutation of Roger Stone’s sentence by President Trump, the Trump administration’s push to open up schools this fall, international student visas, and big Supreme Court rulings on the release of Donald Trump’s financial records and whether presidential electors can be punished or replaced for being “faithless”.


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Zoe’s Extraordinary Playlist


Jay’s Weekly Recommendation

The First Salute. Barbara Tuchman


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Jul 11 2020

57mins

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Independence Day, COVID Masks, Russian Bounties, Abortion Rights, Religious Freedom

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On this week's show, Mike and Kristin kick things off by discussing some of the recent developments in COVID-19 news and the differences in how governors and the President have handled mask-wearing. They also talk about allegations of Russian bounties on US troops as well as two recent SCOTUS decisions handed down this week, one involving abortion rights (June Medical Services v. Russo) and one involving religious freedom (Espinoza v. Montana), as well as related issues of activist judges and precedent in similar cases. 


Mike’s Weekly Recommendation

1776 (musical)

John Adams: A Life, by John Ferling 

John Adams (two volumes), by Page Smith


Kristin’s Weekly Recommendation

Floor is Lava (Netflix)

Home Before Dark, by Riley Sager


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Jul 04 2020

58mins

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Policing Bills, Berman Firing, Flynn Ruling, Immigration Order, COVID Increase

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Mike & Jay start off by discussing the House and Senate versions of legislation intended to address systemic problems with policing in the United States. They agree that neither side has much reason to compromise in the run-up to the 2020 elections, but they feel that there’s actually a good amount of ground on which a compromise could be possible.


After that, they take up the firing of US Attorney Geoffrey Berman. Mike argues that the whole thing was handled incompetently, and Jay feels that it’s yet another example of the GOP not being all that adept at “inside baseball”.


Then it’s a look at the DC Circuit’s 2-1 ruling ordering that the charges against Michael Flynn be dismissed. Mike argues that this is extreme judicial activism, and Jay doesn’t disagree, though he sees it as less extreme than Mike does. In the end though, Jay believes that the majority make the right call in a tough case, whereas Mike thinks it’s a clearly wrong decision that should be reversed by the DC Circuit as a whole.


Next is President Trump’s immigration order which further restricts entry to various classes of immigrants. The administration argues that this is necessary to protect US workers during the economic crisis stemming from COVID-19, but neither Jay nor Mike buys this argument.


Finally, Mike & Jay discuss the significant increase in coronavirus cases as well as the increase in the percentage of positive tests. They both feel that President Trump could show better leadership on the mask issue, but Jay is generally opposed to mandatory mask orders, feeling that societal pressure to wear masks is likely to be more effective.


Mike’s Weekly Recommendation

The Goldman Sans font


Jay’s Weekly Recommendation

The Revolution Comforts the Comfortable. Kevin Williamson


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Jun 27 2020

1hr 3mins

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Bolstock, DACA, Bolton

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On today's show, Trey and Ken discuss Bostock v. Clayton County and the 1964 Civil Rights Act. The discussion leads them to discuss the implications of various methods the court uses, or ought to use, in interpreting law.


Trey and Ken also talk DACA and the downfall of the Trump administration's use of illegality to try to end DACA. The two speculate as to why this was the method used and what it means for Dreamers in the future.


Finally Trey and Ken discuss Bolton's upcoming book The Room Where it Happened. The pair touch on both the civil litigation from the Justice Department to attempt to stop publication and the content details leaked thus far, including whether Bolton should have been willing to testify during the impeachment investigation or trial.


This Week's Recommendations

Trey suggests you check out Political instability by Peter Turchin. See the full article here.


Ken recommends you watch Inspector Lewis


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Jun 20 2020

59mins

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Building Better Police & Problematic Primaries

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On today’s show, Mike and Kristin begin by discussing several developments in the aftermath of George Floyd’s death, including some of the legislation put forth or discussed by Republicans and Democrats recently, aimed at eliminating police violence. They also bring up the issue of police culture, as well as the argument for reforming and changing police culture - as opposed to defunding the police.


Mike and Kristin also touch on some of the big problems that occurred on Tuesday, June 9th, as primary voters in five states went to the polls. Issues with voting machines, understaffing, and lack of training in Georgia, as well as COVID-19 issues, could play significant roles in the upcoming November elections.


Mike’s Weekly Recommendation

- a lacrosse ball

- The Trigger Point Therapy Workbook, Clair & Amber Davies


Kristin’s Weekly Recommendation

- Killers of the Flower Moon, David Grann

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Jun 13 2020

1hr 7mins

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Jeffrey Sachs on The Ages of Globalization

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Mike talks with economist Jeffrey Sachs, University Professor and director of the Center for Sustainable Development at Columbia University. Dr. Sachs is  also director of the United Nations Sustainable Development Solutions Network and has been advisor to three UN secretaries-general. In addition to being one of the world's leading experts on poverty and economic development, he is the author of many influential, best-selling books, including The Age of Sustainable Development, The Price of Civilization, Building the New American Economy, and, most recently, The Ages of  Globalization, which they discuss on the show.


Topics discussed include:

- globalization over the course of human history

- the long historical dominance of China

- why China declined as a world power

- keys to sustainable development in the 21st century

- whether a non-democratic China is a threat

- prospects for development in Sub-Saharan Africa


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Jun 09 2020

54mins

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George Floyd Protests, Jobs Report, Rosenstein Testimony

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Mike & Jay start off the show with an extended discussion of the nationwide protest that continue in the wake of the death of George Floyd. They start with policy, finding a surprising amount of agreement on things that can be done on the national, state, and local levels to improve policing. Then it’s a look at President Trump’s response to the violence that accompanied many protests, and presidential detractors like former Trump Secretary of Defense James Mattis.


Next they discuss the shockingly good jobs report. While it’s not the unalloyed wonderful news President Trump portrayed it as on Twitter, it’s undeniably a good thing. Mike and Jay discuss if the good jobs news is likely to continue and what it means for future coronavirus stimulus measures.


The show closes with a look at former Deputy Attorney general Rod Rosenstein’s testimony before the Senate Intelligence Committee. Mike and Jay agree that Rosenstein’s comments demonstrate that the intelligence and federal law enforcement system is in need of major change. Jay wonders whether Rosenstein was being willfully ignorant of what his subordinates were up to, a theory Mike feels makes a lot of sense, given the ramifications of such an unprecedented investigation.


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Jun 06 2020

1hr 13mins

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Lane Kenworthy on Social Democratic Capitalism

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Mike talks with Lane Kenworthy, a Professor of Sociology at UC San Diego.  They discuss his latest book, Social Democratic Capitalism.


Topics discussed include:

- what social democratic capitalism is

- if social democratic capitalism is only possible in rich countries

- economic growth and dynamism

- the Nordic example, and whether it can be applied elsewhere

- how the United States stacks up to other wealthy countries

- whether the United States can - or should - move toward social democratic capitalism


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Jun 03 2020

55mins

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Floyd, Twitter, Trump

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This week Trey is joined by Ken and the pair begin the show discussing the evolving situation over the killing of George Floyd in Minnesota. This includes discussion of the protests, the recent charges of third degree murder, and the long-term ramifications for the African American community.

Next the Trey & Ken discuss President Trump's executive order on Preventing Online Censorship. Ken thinks there is no real substantive meaning to it, rather it is simply bluster. Trey wonders if the order is designed to allow a civil suit against Twitter by President Trump.

This Week's Recommendations

Trey suggests you check out Desert Solitaire" A Season in the Wilderness

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May 30 2020

1hr 6mins

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Capitalism, Alone

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Mike talks with economist Branko Milanovic. Dr. Milanovic is  Visiting Presidential Professor at the Stone Center of Socio-Economic Inequality at the Graduate Center, City University of New York. He was formerly Lead Economist in the World Bank's research department. He's also the author of a number of books, including Capitalism, Alone: The Future of the System That Rules the World, which they discuss on this episode.

Topics covered include:

- the benefits of capitalism
- the different forms of capitalism
- the liberal meritocratic capitalism of the United States
- rising economy inequality since the 1980s
- sustainable growth under current models of capitalism
- capitalism and corruption in China
- the future of capitalism

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May 27 2020

58mins

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Inspector General Firings, Trump Threatens MI & NV Over Elections, The WHO and China

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On this week’s show, Mike and Kristin take on President Trump’s firing of State Department Inspector General Steve Linick, a move prompted by a recommendation from Secretary of State Mike Pompeo. They also discuss Trump’s threats to withhold funding from Michigan and Nevada after each state announced plans to mail all voters statewide requests for vote-by-mail forms and the actual ballots, respectively. Finally,  Mike and Kristin weigh in on the relationship between the WHO and China, whether President Trump’s threat to withhold funding was warranted, and the WHO’s  subsequent move to independently investigate the response to COVID-19 within its own organization. 

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Insight Timer (meditation app)  Android | iPhone

Kristin’s Weekly Recommendation
Calm (meditation app)

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May 23 2020

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Title IX Clarification, Michael Flynn & the Russia Investigation, Trillions More for COVID Aid?

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Mike & Jay start off the show with Mike trying to explain that while he’s for the recent Title IX sexual harassment / abuse procedural rules (as is Jay) he has more of an issue with their being a mandate (in theory, at least). 

Then, it’s a discussion of the latest developments in the case against Michael Flynn. Mike sees a lot of bad behavior all around, and Jay doesn’t disagree. They both seem to think that the biggest potential problem is an intelligence & law enforcement community that seems to be doing more than just cutting a few corners here and there.

Finally, it’s a look at the House proposal for $3 Trillion in additional coronavirus aid, with nearly $1 Trillion of that set aside for state and local governments. While conservatives - including Jay - balk that that, especially in light of the enormous sum that’s already been spend, there seems to be some ground for compromise.

Mike’s Weekly Recommendations
The Reluctant Detective (Mike’s book in progress)
NYPD Blue
UPS Dogs (Facebook)

Jay’s Weekly Recommendation
The Good Place

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May 15 2020

56mins

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Michael Flynn, FBI Abuses, An Independent Attorney General?, New Title IX Rules

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It's big week for due process.  Mike and Jay talk about the Justice Department's decision to drop the case against Michael Flynn, FBI abuses, and Mike makes a pitch for an Independent Justice Department. Then they discuss the new Department of Education rules guaranteeing rights to the accused in school sexual harassment and assault cases.  Then it gets sort of weird.

The full text of the DOJ filing to dismiss charges against Michael Flynn

Mike's YouTube page

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May 09 2020

1hr 5mins

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The Politics Guys & The Brown Girls Guide to Politics

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Mike talks with A’shanti Gholar, creator and host of The Brown Girls Guide to Politics podcast. Topics they discuss include:

  • COVID-19’s disproportionate effects on minorities
  • whether President Trump is racist, and if it matters
  • demographic representation in Congress
  • why the Democratic Party is so much more diverse than the GOP
  • what Republicans can to do attract more minorities, without abandoning their core principles & beliefs
  • Joe Biden’s potential VP choices
  • what women & minorities can reasonably expect from a Biden administration
  • what four more years of a Trump administration might mean for women & minorities
  • what white males most often misunderstand about women & minorities in politics

The Brown Girls Guide to Politics on Twitter

White Fragility: Why It's So Hard for White People to Talk About Racism. Robin DiAngelo

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May 05 2020

52mins

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Biden, Armed Protests, Amash

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Trey & Ken start the show talking Biden's response to sexual assault allegation from Tara Reade. Next the pair move to discussing COVID, but primarily focusing on the armed protests in Michigan. Trey & Ken close the show discussing the entrance into the presidential race of newly minted Libertarian Amash and potential Green Party candidate Ventura.

This Week's Recommendations

Trey suggests you check out Jack Ryan on Amazon Prime.

Ken is reading The New York Review of Books.

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May 01 2020

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COVID Aid, Immigration Shutdown, States Reopening, SCOTUS on EPA Regulation

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On this week’s show, Mike and Kristin take on more COVID-19 related stories and policy issues, including the most recent aid package, President Trump’s immigration proclamation, and state “exit strategies” for lockdown and plans to reopen economies. Mike and Kristin also discuss the complex, recently-decided Supreme Court case of County of Maui v. Hawaii Wildlife Fund. They also share their recommendations for some non-COVID related entertainment.

Mike’s Weekly Recommendation
Open Psychometrics ‘Which Character Are You?’ Quiz
The Reluctant Detective (Mike’s P.I. book in progress)

Kristin’s Weekly Recommendation
Imagineering in a Box (Disney & Khan Academy)

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Apr 25 2020

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Excellent, insightful, and balanced

By MVH2239 - May 25 2020
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One of my favorite podcasts to listen to due to thoughtful commentary, attention to balance the perspectives of both sides of the issue, and commentators would have a depth of understanding of both political theory and its application in our politicized and antagonist time. Nice that it doesn’t have an overall agenda to convince or turn you on issues, but inform you on important events shaping our democracy and provide context through both liberal and conservative lenses. Tend to agree with the viewpoints of Michael, due to having some conservative leanings but do not necessarily agree with how the principles are applied currently. If unsure, give it a try and it will not be a waste of your time.

I don’t get what happened to Mike this week

By YoungHoly13 - May 16 2020
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Michael saying Trump was innocent over and over is insane. Mike kept just saying yep to Jay on everything about the mueller investigation. What happened to you? I think this might finally be the reason I stop listening. What happened to back bone. Now suddenly because Schiff is dishonest trump is innocent. It’s really sad