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Happier in Hollywood

Veteran TV writers Liz Craft and Sarah Fain demystify Hollywood by making career and personal struggles universal. Friends since high school and writing partners for 17 years, Liz and Sarah have survived and thrived in Tinseltown’s male-dominated entertainment industry, guided by blind optimism and a Midwestern work ethic. Along the way they've learned a lot about kicking ass, kissing ass, and office yoga.

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Bonus Episode: Liz and Sarah’s “American Beauties” Pitch

Liz and Sarah pitch “American Beauties,” a pilot script they sold (twice) to Fox. After the pitch, they critique their own work— and reveal what they would change if they were going to pitch the show today. Photo by Ameen Fahmy on Unsplash Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

31mins

8 Nov 2019

Rank #1

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Ep. 138: Here’s To A Happy, Healthy, Motto-vated 2020!

After a “Season of Failure” update, Liz and Sarah decide on their new team theme for 2020! This year, they’re going to Hike Into The Future! Then Sarah shares three food favorites that we can all make at home for a healthier and more delicious new year: forbidden rice, cashew milk, and air-fried french fries. This week’s Hollywood Hack is from our Facebook group: if you’re coming to LA, stay in two hotels.Forbidden rice: https://www.thespruceeats.com/what-is-forbidden-rice-1664717Cashew milk: https://cookieandkate.com/cashew-milk-recipe/Breville Smart Oven: https://www.amazon.com/Breville-BOV900BSS-Convection-Brushed-Stainless/dp/B01N5UPTZS/ref=sr_1_2?gclid=Cj0KCQiA0ZHwBRCRARIsAK0Tr-qmABGvAejLvEWCClK18Q6miMYeo2QQlCRBWh8WShzGE82MI5VNojgaAs_VEALw_wcB&hvadid=176942025810&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9031201&hvnetw=g&hvpos=1t2&hvqmt=e&hvrand=11267160809367607566&hvtargid=kwd-11122039517&hydadcr=13935_9624584&keywords=breville+smart+oven&qid=1577405592&sr=8-2Photo: Paul Gilmore - UnsplashHappier In Hollywood is part of ‘The Onward Project,’ a family of podcasts brought together by Gretchen Rubin—all about how to make your life better. Check out the other Onward Project podcasts — Happier With Gretchen Ruben, Do The Thing, and Side Hustle School. If you liked this episode, please subscribe, leave a review, and tell your friends! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

22mins

2 Jan 2020

Rank #2

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Ep. 131: The Importance Of Mahjong

With development season at peak intensity, Liz and Sarah are putting their noses to the grindstone. What does that mean? They’re often giving up their precious nights and weekends — and accepting that they have to “just say no” to many social functions. Then in Take A Hike, Liz and Sarah talk about why there’s one activity they’re NOT giving up: their new monthly Mahjong game. They also answer a Mailbag question about how many scripts a writer should have under her belt before she makes the big move to Los Angeles. And this week’s Hollywood Hack will improve any presentation: if someone asks if you want to use a mic, the answer is ALWAYS yes. Mahjong:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahjong Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

27mins

14 Nov 2019

Rank #3

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Ep. 133: The Care And Feeding Of Writers: A Thanksgiving Episode

Liz and Sarah offer tips to executives and producers who are giving notes to writers during the development process. Do be direct! Don’t be an asshole! In a hits-only Hits & Bombs segment, Liz and Sarah share the many things they’re thankful for — including their amazing listeners! This week’s Hollywood Hack is a Chinese Proverb: “The best time to plant a tree is twenty years ago. The second best time is now.” Finally, they reveal their work hike Celebrity Sighting: Marissa Jarret Winokur. The Sheri + Nancy Show:https://thepillarlife.com/sheri-nancy-show/Marissa Jarret Winokur:https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0935441/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

28mins

28 Nov 2019

Rank #4

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Ep. 146 Something From Nothing — It’s An Actual Thing

Liz and Sarah discuss their realization that so much can come from something... even if nothing comes from it. An example? In preparing for a recent meeting that went nowhere, they came up with an idea for a new narrative fiction podcast — and read an amazing book that had been on their list for years. In Hits & Bombs, Sarah’s hit goes to her trip to Riverside to buy a loom — for the first time since her daughter was born she did something on the weekend JUST FOR HERSELF. And Liz gives herself a bomb for counting her wardrobe chickens before her pilot (failed to) hatch. They also had a Bonus Bomb for everyone who plays loud music while hiking at Fryman Canyon. This week’s Hollywood Hack ensures you won’t repeat meeting outfits: take a picture on your phone. Finally, Liz and Sarah had some repeat Celebrity Sightings — Lisa Rinna and Harry Hamlin (together this time) and Jon Voight.Lisa Rinna:https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005362/Harry Hamlin:https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0002122/Jon Voight:https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000685/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

29mins

27 Feb 2020

Rank #5

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Ep. 123: How To Be A Happy Camper At Work With Audrey Monke

Liz and Sarah give an update on a listener suggestion that they coordinate their meeting outfits. They did it! And it was surprisingly easy. Their new vow? Try a personal shopper together. Then they discuss how to be — and create — happy campers at work with parenting expert Audrey Monke, author of Happy Campers: 9 Summer Camp Secrets for Raising Kids Who Become Thriving Adults. Audrey owns Gold Arrow Camp, and her tips for developing a positive culture at camp are just as relevant to the workplace. Some advice? Take a moment to say good morning. And build in time for compliments! This week’s Hollywood Hack: arrive early.Nordstrom stylist:https://shop.nordstrom.com/c/personal-stylistsHappy Campershttps://www.amazon.com/Happy-Campers-Secrets-Raising-Thriving/dp/1546081798/ref=sr_1_1?crid=31953NQYNKAUF&keywords=happy+campers+audrey+monke&qid=1568760000&sprefix=Happy+Campers+audrey%2Caps%2C543&sr=8-1Audrey Monke:https://sunshine-parenting.com/Tony Dodds:https://www.imdb.com/name/nm3386150/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

29mins

19 Sep 2019

Rank #6

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Ep. 147: Wrestling With Schrodinger’s Cat

Liz and Sarah discuss the paradox of Shrodinger’s Cat — a thought experiment in which a theoretical cat is both alive and dead at the same time — and how it embodies their career right now. In Take Two, they revisit the subject of personal canaries in a coal mine. Some of their favorites from listeners? Browsing real estate sites, leaving cabinet doors open, cleaning pencil sharpeners, and green juicing. This week’s Hollywood Hack will help actors prep their scripts: the Sozy Annotator. Finally, even though Liz and Sarah swore they’d never announce Beverly Hills Housewife Lisa Rinna as a Celebrity Sighting again, they can’t help but mention they saw her at Fryman Canyon this week. Twice. Danielle’s favorite green juice:https://www.rebootwithjoe.com/mean-green-juice/Schrödinger’s Cat: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=2ahUKEwj9yvyEn__nAhUB7J4KHWCuA7oQyCkwAHoECAIQBA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DUjaAxUO6-Uw&usg=AOvVaw0sZxC4Fo_a4emwbC2UiT5KRedfin:https://www.redfin.com/?&utm_source=google&utm_medium=ppc&utm_campaign=1003207&utm_term=aud-315303801759:kwd-487284910&utm_content=338440899303&intent=Brand-HV&gclid=CjwKCAiAnfjyBRBxEiwA-EECLIzrMt_v1ckzx3dfOym3FTIOhdzScRg9wCHNBmulyctxL8EU9SreGRoCvxwQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.dsThe Sozy Annotatorhttps://www.sozypencils.com/the-annotatorLisa Rinna:https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005362/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

25mins

5 Mar 2020

Rank #7

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Ep. 50: No One Knows Anything In Hollywood — A Listener Questions Episode

Today is all about you! It’s a listener question extravaganza! What do Liz and Sarah wish they’d known when they were starting out in Hollywood? Do Liz and Sarah have any all-time favorite TV shows? Are they aware of how much they use the word "guys?" And we have multiple Hollywood Hacks all from you: Hoopla, Dear Book Hoarder candles that smell like old books, and Vivian Lou insoles!  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

33mins

26 Apr 2018

Rank #8

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Ep. 140: Liz & Sarah Celebrate A Career Milestone!

Liz and Sarah are celebrating their twentieth anniversary as writing partners! They reflect on the last two decades and discuss what they should do to mark this career milestone. In Take A Hike, Liz and Sarah talk about why it’s a good idea to become an expert in something unexpected. Sarah’s new obsession? Spinning yarn! This week’s delicious Hollywood Hack: give John Kelly Chocolates as a business gift. The Altered Stitch:http://www.thealteredstitch.com/contact-usJohn Kelly Chocolates:https://www.johnkellychocolates.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

25mins

16 Jan 2020

Rank #9

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Ep. 64: Enneagrams And Fun, Fun Fridays!

Liz and Sarah discuss Fun, Fun Fridays — what they are and why they’re bringing The Fix team together. Then Liz and Sarah reveal their enneagram results and talk to world-renowned executive coach Michael Melcher about how personality type influences leadership style. This week’s fashionable Hollywood Hack: get a signature belt. Finally, Liz’s celebrity sighting this week is Rachel Lindsay from The Bachelorette. If only Liz had mustered the courage to ask for a selfie!Links:How To Start Knitting (And Learn To Love It!): https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/11/smarter-living/how-to-start-knitting.htmlMark Grossan: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0343523/Puppy Party: https://www.today.com/pets/puppy-parties-are-real-thing-one-happened-today-studio-t38301Michael Melcher: http://www.michaelmelcher.com/Meanwhile: A Podcast To Improve Your Life: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/meanwhile-a-podcast-to-improve-your-life/id1196203650?mt=2Next Step Partners: https://nextsteppartners.com/michael-melcher/Soft Skills: https://www.thebalancecareers.com/list-of-soft-skills-2063770Hard Skills: https://www.thebalancecareers.com/what-are-hard-skills-2060829Enneagram Types: https://www.integrative9.com/enneagram/introduction/Dana Walden: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0992861/Robin Tunney: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000677/?ref_=nv_sr_1Designer Belt Bags: https://www.neimanmarcus.com/c/handbags-handbags-belt-bags-cat67650739Rachel Lindsay: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm8658068/?ref_=nv_sr_2 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

35mins

2 Aug 2018

Rank #10

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Ep. 143: Liz & Sarah Remind Themselves: It’s Not Personal!

Liz and Sarah reveal that ABC passed on their PLASTICS pilot. They’re super bummed but bouncing back and moving on. One thing that’s helping them cope? Hiking. In The Mailroom segment, they answer a question from an assistant who’s wondering if she should stay at her well-paying job or go for a position that pays less but offers more opportunity. This week’s “Three C’s” Hollywood Hack will help listeners never miss an appointment: clarity, calendar, confirm. Finally Liz and Sarah had a celebrity sighting of one of their all-time favorite celebrities — they had dinner with Marcia Clark!Marcia Clark:http://marciaclarkbooks.com/Happier In Hollywood is part of ‘The Onward Project,’ a family of podcasts brought together by Gretchen Rubin—all about how to make your life better. Check out the other Onward Project podcasts — Happier With Gretchen Ruben, Do The Thing, and Side Hustle School. If you liked this episode, please subscribe, leave a review, and tell your friends! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

23mins

6 Feb 2020

Rank #11

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Ep. 142: The Wonder Of Re-Networking (And Of Champagne)

Liz and Sarah talk about why it’s important to “re-network” with people you’ve worked with in the past. Then in Take Two, they share the questions that are guiding listeners through 2020. One favorite: “What would I do if I wasn’t afraid?” In The Craft (And Fain) they discuss how to create specificity of place in scripts and why it matters. This week’s Hollywood Hack guarantees you’ll never have to arrive at a party empty-handed: keep a bottle of champagne on hand.Also in today’s episode, Liz and Sarah announce a limited addition of their Happier In Hollywood merch — a rainbow Silipint travel cup featuring their logo and motto! If you’re interested in getting a cup, email us at happierinhollywood@gmail.com. For other Silipint products, go to Silipint.com and use coupon code HAPPY20 for 20 percent off your first order.Happier in Hollywood Episode 139: What’s Your QUESTION For 2020?http://happierinhollywood.com/episode139/Veuve Clicquot Yellow Label NV:https://www.bevmo.com/shop/wine/champagne_sparkling/champagne/sparkling/veuve_clicquot_yellow_label_nv_750_ml/p/1564405684704472266Veuve Clicquot Rose:https://www.bevmo.com/shop?id=1564405684704501374Silipint:https://www.silipint.com/Happier In Hollywood is part of ‘The Onward Project,’ a family of podcasts brought together by Gretchen Rubin—all about how to make your life better. Check out the other Onward Project podcasts — Happier With Gretchen Ruben, Do The Thing, and Side Hustle School. If you liked this episode, please subscribe, leave a review, and tell your friends! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

24mins

30 Jan 2020

Rank #12

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Ep. 144: What’s Your Personal “Canary In A Coal Mine?”

Liz and Sarah talk about how to “hijack the meeting,” advice that comes from their friend and fellow TV writer, Moira Kirland. Then in Take A Hike, they each reveal their personal “canary in a coal mine.” What behavior reveals they’re more stressed out than they realize? Hint: Sarah’s “canary” looks a lot like a puppy. This week’s Hollywood Hack is a company that’s Rent The Runway for tablescaping: Social Studies. Finally, Liz had a Fryman Canyon Celebrity Sighting: Real House Husband of Beverly Hills, Harry Hamlin.Moira Kirland:https://m.imdb.com/name/nm0215277/Social Studies:https://social-studies.com/Harry Hamlin:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Hamlin Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

22mins

13 Feb 2020

Rank #13

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Ep. 149: Say Something Right Away: A Seize The Day Episode

Note: This episode was recorded before life changed dramatically due to the Covid-19 virus. Liz and Sarah follow up on their discussion about Schrodinger’s Cat (Episode 147). Some listener cats: IVF, college admissions, and moving. Then they talk about why we should all Seize The Day in work and life. In From The Treadmill Desks Of, they discuss why saying something RIGHT AWAY makes all the difference. The longer you wait, the harder it gets. In The Craft (And Fain), Liz and Sarah reveal one of their most useful writing secrets — use the good stuff RIGHT AWAY in a script. Finally, this week’s Hollywood Hack: jump on a trend RIGHT AWAY. https://www.neimanmarcus.com/p/golden-goose-young-metallic-western-booties-prod220900074?childItemId=NMX4NM8_&navpath=cat000000_cat000730_cat63400744&page=0&position=109&uuid=PDP_PAGINATION_2585fe3f57cd26d81a9b547a542dcea1_SHXPv47xQ5rXX_Rsd6ZZ-eHfdTakpbwYxkFBd_8S.jsession Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

28mins

19 Mar 2020

Rank #14

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Ep. 70: Make The Thing You Love To Make

Why do we ignore red flags? Prompted by Liz's recent read of the book Bad Blood: Secrets and Lies in a Silicon Valley Startup by John Carreyrou, she and Sarah discuss how and why people dismiss red flags in their professional and personal lives. Then they interview TV/comic book writer Ben Blacker about his podcast The Writers Panel and his upcoming comic book Hex Wives. Finally, Liz reveals a parent-friendly Hollywood Hack she recently discovered: work while your kid is falling asleep. Links:RAICES: https://actionnetwork.org/groups/raices-refugee-and-immigrant-center-for-education-and-legal-servicesThe Goonies Live Tickets: https://tickets.vendini.com/ticket-software.html?t=tix&e=edc8f1f63e5ef70911c278b299e7f231&vqitq=fb116332-c926-48e5-b843-54c19322190d&vqitp=dbc92599-9b99-475b-a91c-d997eb9390f2&vqitts=1535339779&vqitc=vendini&vqite=itl&vqitrt=Safetynet&vqith=441f0539857bcbb450ec2184073df055The Goonies Live Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheGooniesLiveGina Rodriguez: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1752221/Brittany Snow: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0811242/?ref_=nv_sr_1Bad Blood: https://www.amazon.com/Bad-Blood-Secrets-Silicon-Startup/dp/152473165XElizabeth Holmes: https://www.businessinsider.com/theranos-founder-ceo-elizabeth-holmes-life-story-bio-2018-4Theranos: http://www.theranos.com/Jennifer Lawrence: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2225369/?ref_=nv_sr_1George Schultz: https://history.state.gov/departmenthistory/people/shultz-george-prattHenry Kissinger: https://www.henryakissinger.com/True Detective: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2356777/?ref_=nv_sr_1Dirty John: https://wondery.com/shows/dirty-john/Ben Blacker: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm3011071/?ref_=nv_sr_1Ben Acker: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0009921/?ref_=nv_sr_1The Thrilling Adventure Hour: http://thrillingadventurehour.com/Supernatural: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0460681/?ref_=nv_sr_1Hex Wives: https://www.comixology.com/Hex-Wives-2018/comics-series/123464?ref=c2VhcmNoL2luZGV4L2Rlc2t0b3Avc2xpZGVyTGlzdC90b3BSZXN1bHRzU2xpZGVyComic Book Store Locator: https://www.comicshoplocator.com/Home/1/1/57/575The Writers Panel: http://foreverdogproductions.com/fdpn/podcasts/the-writers-panel/826 LA: http://826la.org/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

42mins

13 Sep 2018

Rank #15

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Ep. 49: Lessons Learned From The Vibrant Life Of Suzanne Patmore Gibbs

Liz and Sarah pay tribute to Suzanne Patmore Gibbs, the head of TriStar television, and share the many lessons they learned from her vibrant life. Then Liz and Sarah discuss their self-care getaway weekends after pilot production... and how they were sort of successful, sort of not. This week we have two Hollywood Hacks to up your selfie game: have the tallest person in the group take the selfie and use a PopSocket grip. Finally, Sarah reveals her celebrity sighting at the pet store while preparing to get a Flemish Giant rabbit: Gina Torres! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

29mins

19 Apr 2018

Rank #16

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Ep. 120: Sheri Salata’s Beautiful No— A Happier Labor Day Episode

The Onward Project is celebrating Labor Day with #HappierLaborDay! Liz and Sarah invite Sheri Salata (author of The Beautiful No, co-host of the podcast The Sheri & Nancy Show) to be their special Labor Day co-host! Sheri shares how a “beautiful no” led to her job as the powerhouse Executive Producer of The Oprah Winfrey Show. Then they discuss how we can all have a happier work life by reframing work as creativity and innovation. Sheri’s Hollywood Hack? Make a radical change! Finally, Sheri— who’s met literally EVERYONE— reveals her very favorite celebrity encounter: Tom Hanks.The Beautiful No: https://smile.amazon.com/Beautiful-No-Other-Transcendence-Transformation/dp/0062743198/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=The+beautiful+no&qid=1566950608&s=gateway&sr=8-2The Sheri & Nancy Show: https://thepillarlife.com/sheri-nancy-show/Tom Hanks: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Hanks Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

36mins

29 Aug 2019

Rank #17

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Ep. 88: To Do List, Or Not To Do List

Liz and Sarah are DONE with the first season of The Fix! They discuss how they’re managing their anxiety before the big premiere on March 18th. Some coping mechanisms: planning for Season Two, focusing on “life stuff,” and a potential trip to the Integratron. After their new segment Take Two, in which Liz and Sarah revisit Personal Symbols, they debate To Do Lists in a spirited L v. S. Finally, Sarah reveals this week’s Hollywood Hack: an email account for your child.Links:The Fix: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dkJhX-ccM5kThe Fix Twitter: https://mobile.twitter.com/thefixabcThe Fix Writers Twitter: https://mobile.twitter.com/TheFixWritersBest Friends Animal Sanctuary: https://support.bestfriends.org/site/Donation2?df_id=2884&mfc_pref=T&2884.donation=form1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI6brSnOrw3wIVzCCtBh0VnAswEAAYASAAEgJs1PD_BwEIntegratron: https://www.integratron.com/Levenger Next Level To-Do Organizer: https://www.levenger.com/circa-next-level-to-do-organizer-notebook-13655.aspxPhoto by Glenn Carstens-Peters on Unsplash Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

29mins

17 Jan 2019

Rank #18

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Ep. 121: How To Conquer A “Health Lull” — We Asked, You Answered!

After an update on the great how-to-pronounce “gif” (is it a hard “g” or a soft “g”) debate of 2019, Liz and Sarah discuss the back-to-school productivity boost that September brings. Then they do a listener inspired Take Two deep dive on how to get out of health lull. Some favorite ideas? Reconnect with your “why” and treat being healthy  like it’s a job. This week’s Hollywood Hack comes from Sarah’s recent obsession with Candy Crush Saga: what’s the goal? “Gif” Pronunciation: https://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/05/23/battle-over-gif-pronunciation-erupts/Prolon:https://prolonfmd.com/Candy Crush Saga:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candy_Crush_SagaGet tickets for Liz and Gretchen's live podcast events in Seattle, Portland, San Fransisco, Chicago, Kansas City,  Providence, Philadelphia, Washington D.C., Atlanta, Charlotte and Brooklyn here:https://gretchenrubin.com/events Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

29mins

5 Sep 2019

Rank #19

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Ep. 127: Why “Enough Is Enough”

Liz and Sarah explain that even a “put” pilot isn’t a sure thing. Then they discuss why “enough is enough.” It’s tempting to over-write and over-speak, but don’t do it! Going on and on makes you look weak and unfocused. In their new segment, You’re The Boss, Liz and Sarah talk to author Morgan Simpson about his new book, What’s Running You? How to Become the Entrepreneur of Your Life. Morgan’s advice? Create your own Board of Directors. This week’s fashion Hollywood Hack: choose a signature designer.“Put” pilot :https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/abc-put-pilot-plastics-elizabeth-craft-sarah-fain-1203356105/What’s Running You? How to Become the Entrepreneur of Your Life:https://www.amazon.com/Whats-Running-You-Become-Entrepreneur-ebook/dp/B07Z2MQ4VZ/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=What’s+Running+You%3F&qid=1571177526&sr=8-1Veronica Beard:https://veronicabeard.com/?gclsrc=aw.ds&&gclid=Cj0KCQjw3JXtBRC8ARIsAEBHg4nuUyAHy-1XnHnp_ZbP2Dh4ighq8EvpinbdLNTu8OlkNhAbHpNweP4aAgR6EALw_wcBAnthropologie:https://www.anthropologie.com/?mrkgcl=694&mrkgadid=586468124&utm_medium=paid_search&utm_source=Google&utm_content=anthropologie_-_Exact&utm_term=anthropologie&utm_campaign=US_-_Brand_-_Top_Traffic&creative=378700693422&device=t&matchtype=e&network=g&gclsrc=aw.ds&&gclid=Cj0KCQjw3JXtBRC8ARIsAEBHg4mTVpp9JeLvXX5p_XnpyAd1kpoCknGVy5Zi8v7e4q59PjfiJIDJ4AMaAgdGEALw_wcBPhoto by Jack Carter on Unsplash Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

29mins

17 Oct 2019

Rank #20