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Rank #1: podcastED: SUFS president Doug Tuthill interviews East Carolina University’s Kevin Currie-Knight: (Part 2)

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In the second of a two-part discussion, Tuthill talks with a teaching assistant professor and leading thinker on “unschooling,” or self-directed learning. Tuthill and Currie-Knight discuss the public education marketplace and the dichotomy between choice opponents’ growing concern about monopolies from companies such as Google and Amazon while ignoring the lack of innovation that occurs in public education, a monopoly of its own capturing 90% of America’s students.

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Currie-Knight notes that the largest disparities among groups occur in the legal and education systems. Yet for all the attention progressives pay to revolutionizing the legal system, he points out, they appear unwilling to acknowledge the need for revolution within the country’s education system.

We’ve waited long enough for government to prove to us they can desegregate schools … if we give (families) the option of disconnecting their school from their ZIP code, there’s every reason to think we’ll get more integration in schools.”

EPISODE DETAILS:

·       The history of public-school funding and how funding has created a marketplace where the supplier controls most of the consumer spending

·       How efficient markets drive innovation and why public education is not an efficient market

·       The pernicious myth leveled by choice opponents that choice is intended as a vehicle for segregation, ignoring the rich history of choice support from the left

·       The conflict of interest of government-funded schools teaching children about the government

LINKS MENTIONED

Living by Learning Podcast

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Sep 16 2020

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Rank #2: podcastED: SUFS president Doug Tuthill interviews ‘unschooling’ expert Kevin Currie-Knight: Part 1

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In the first of a two-part discussion, Tuthill speaks with a premier thought leader on self-directed learning, also known as ‘unschooling.’ Currie-Knight, a teaching assistant professor at East Carolina University’s College of Education, supports education based on intrinsic motivation, or learning based on a child’s interests, which differs from more traditional education based on extrinsic motivation centering on grades and transcripts.

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Tuthill and Currie-Knight discuss Currie-Knight’s work with Pathfinder Community School, a learning environment in which children self-direct their instruction. They also discuss how unschooling often is dismissed as a privilege of the rich, an irony considering the critique most often is leveled by opponents of education choice.

If you give kids freedom over their learning, expect them to be doing things all the time. At some point they’re going to learn things … People will be surprised at how tenaciously kids learn when they have a reason to.” 

EPISODE DETAILS:

·       Self-directed learning and how kids figure out what they need to know

·       What self-directed learning looks like on a day-to-day basis

·       Changing two century-old perceptions on how children learn

·       How COVID-19 has shifted education perceptions

·       Criticisms of unschooling and their origin

LINKS MENTIONED:

Living by Learning Podcast

Self-Directed Education and the Changing Shape of Knowledge

Agile Learning Centers

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Sep 09 2020

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Rank #3: podcastED: SUFS president Doug Tuthill interviews education choice icon Stephen Sugarman: Part 3

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Berkeley Law giant Stephen Sugarman, an icon of the education choice movement, speaks about constitutional and regulatory frameworks at a Resnick Program and Harvard Law Lab’s conference in October 2016.

In the last of a three-part podcast series, Tuthill and Berkeley law professor Sugarman discuss the landmark Espinoza v. Montana Department of Revenue Supreme Court decision.

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The June 2020 decision made it clear that a state cannot exclude religious schools from receiving funding from a program created by the state to fund private education. Chief Justice John Roberts clearly echoed Sugarman’s writing in the 5-4 decision.

In Sugarman’s analysis, there is a fundamental disagreement between the judges as to how the Court will continue to resolve the tension between the Free Exercise and Establishment clauses of the Constitution.

Montana lawyers relied on (their interpretation of) the Blaine Amendment. They said, “not only do we not want to help these Catholic schools, we cannot. … and the Supreme Court said no; the Free Exercise Clause trumps … the Blaine Amendment.”

EPISODE DETAILS:

·       The history behind anti-Catholic sentiment after the Civil War that fueled the adoption of “Blaine Amendments” all over the country

·       How Chief Justice Roberts’ decision in Espinoza echoed Sugarman’s argument for allowing faith-based organizations to operate charter schools

·       Justices Breyer, Thomas and Alito’s writings in the Espinoza decision and the tension among different opinions

·       How America differs from other modern countries that fund K-12-aged religious schools if they meet regulations

·       Charles Glenn’s research suggesting that allowing families to educate their children in schools that reflect their religious faith strengthens the cohesion of democracy

LINKS MENTIONED:

Sugarman – Is it Unconstitutional to Prohibit Faith-Based Schools from Becoming Charter Schools?

Notable SCOTUS education choice decisions – Locke v. Davey

Notable SCOTUS education choice decisions -Trinity Lutheran v. Comer

Listen to Part 1 of Tuthill’s conversation with Sugarman here.

Listen to Part 2 of Tuthill’s conversation with Sugarman here.

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Aug 26 2020

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Rank #4: PodcastED: SUFS president Doug Tuthill interviews education choice icon Stephen Sugarman: Part 2

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Berkeley Law professors John C. Coons, left, and Stephen Sugarman, circa 1978.

On this episode, Tuthill continues his conversation with education choice pioneer Stephen Sugarman of Berkeley Law School. The two discuss Sugarman’s 2017 article in the Journal of Law and Religion in which Sugarman argues that prohibiting faith-based schools from becoming charter schools is unconstitutional under the First Amendment’s Establishment Clause.

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Sugarman’s argument that it’s unconstitutional to exclude faith-based organizations from participating once a state has chosen to fund alternative education options was echoed earlier this year in the landmark Espinoza v. Montana Department of Revenue. On the podcast, he reviews the history of two notable U.S. Supreme Court cases, Locke v. Davey and Trinity Lutheran v. Comer, and how their precedents laid the groundwork for the Espinoza decision.

“There should be some room (for education choice funding) between what is forbidden by the Establishment Clause and what is required by the Free Exercise Clause. Funding choice (does) not violate the Establishment Clause.

EPISODE DETAILS:

·       Sugarman’s 2017 article on the constitutionality of faith-based charter schools

·       Locke v. Davey and Chief Justice Rehnquist’s explanation of the “play-of-the-joints” between the Establishment and Free Exercise clauses of the Constitution

·       How teacher union hostility toward charter schools has caused the public to mistakenly think they’re private rather than public schools

·       How a faith-based organization can operate a charter school by state policy while continuing to practice religious observances outside of classroom time

LINKS MENTIONED:

Sugarman: Is it unconstitutional to prohibit faith-based schools from becoming charter schools?

podcastED: SUFS President Doug Tuthill interviews education choice icon Stephen Sugarman – Part 1

You can watch Part 1 of Tuthill’s interview with Sugarman here.

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Aug 19 2020

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Rank #5: PodcastED: SUFS president Doug Tuthill interviews education choice icon Stephen Sugarman

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On this episode, Tuthill speaks with the nationally recognized Berkeley Law School professor who co-authored several books with his colleague and redefinED guest correspondent John Coons. In this first of a three-part series, Sugarman recalls how he got started in the education reform movement by studying district wealth inequality across the country.

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Sugarman, who has been connected to Berkeley since 1972, has along with Coons supported the expansion of education choice for low-income families for decades. The two lawyers argued a landmark series of public school financing cases before the California Supreme Court in the 1970s, an effort Sugarman calls an attempt at “litigation-led revolution” in school funding.  

Sugarman and Coons are the historical legacy of the progressive wing of the education choice movement. Sugarman compares their education choice vision with that of conservative choice forerunner Milton Friedman, discussing his opposition to Friedman’s belief in universal vouchers and his preference for focusing on ensuring low-income families have access to as many resources as families with higher incomes.

“The education of children should not be a function of wealth, other than the wealth of the State as a whole. It shouldn’t depend on their family wealth, and it shouldn’t depend on the district in which they live.”

EPISODE DETAILS:

·       Mounting a legal attack on the “wealth discrimination” of district school funding

·       Congressman Leo Ryan’s interest in an education choice ballot initiative in California prior to his assassination while investigating claims that people were being held against their will at the Peoples Temple Jonestown settlement

·       Sugarman and Coons’ relationship with Milton Friedman and opposition of his education choice initiatives

LINKS MENTIONED:

redefinED: How the Left almost pulled off a school choice revolution

John Coons: A school choice classic, revisited

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Aug 12 2020

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Rank #6: podcastED: SUFS president Doug Tuthill interviews Pasco County Principal of the Year

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On this episode, Tuthill speaks with JoAnne Glenn, one of the nation’s top online learning leaders. In addition to being Pasco’s 2020 Principal of the Year, Glenn earned one of three Digital Principal of the Year awards from the National Association of Secondary School Principals. She is one of the founders of Pasco eSchool, which offers full- and part-time K-12 digital instruction. Over the past 12 years, the school’s mastery-based model has become a model for digital learning.

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 Tuthill and Glenn discuss Pasco eSchool’s advantage during the COVID-19 pandemic and how the platform will allow for flexibility of blended learning when school resumes in a few weeks. They also discuss issues of inequity and the “digital divide,” noting there are areas of Pasco County still lacking access to high speed internet.

“When families are looking outside the school district for their core instruction, it does not mean we don’t have things they may like, we just have to figure out ways to make that available.”

EPISODE DETAILS:

What the Pasco County School District is likely to look like in five years

Lessons learned in the spring and Pasco’s reopening models

Pasco’s “franchise” relationship with Florida Virtual School – using its content and platform with district teachers

How Pasco can unbundle its services and offer flexibility to families within the district and beyond

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Pasco eSchool leader named top national ‘digital principal’

Pasco eSchool leader named county Principal of the Year

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Aug 05 2020

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Rank #7: PodcastED: SUFS president Doug Tuthill interviews civil rights icon H.K. Matthews

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In this episode, Tuthill speaks with the Rev. Hawthorne Konrad (H.K.) Matthews, who was active during the civil rights movement in the Pensacola area and was arrested 35 times for his political activities. Leader of both the local NAACP and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, Matthews was savagely beaten along with Congressman John Lewis, who died last week at the age of 80, and hundreds of others on March 7, 1965, on the Edmund Pettis Bridge in Selma, Alabama.

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“Lewis suffered a fractured skull,” Matthews remembered in an interview last week with the Sinclair Broadcast Group. “I was in the middle of the group, thank God. I only received secondary blows.”

Rev. Matthews discusses his relationship with Lewis and the leadership void he fears will ensue with Lewis’ death. He also discusses his time as an outspoken advocate for education choice and as founder of “freedom schools” across northern Florida and the southern United States, an experience that caused him to see the education choice movement as the natural extension of the Civil Rights era.

“I always knew we needed to have freedom of choice, which is why marched and did a lot of things … If you have a choice, the results of that choice belong to you. You have ownership of it.”

EPISODE DETAILS:

  • John Lewis as Rev. Matthews knew him
  • Reflections on being “indiscriminately beaten” in Selma on Bloody Sunday
  • Riots at Escambia High School when protesting the school’s Confederate symbols
  • Why he is optimistic about the future of education choice during the COVID-19 pandemic

LINKS MENTIONED:

RedefinED: Back to the future on a school choice odyssey

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Jul 29 2020

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Rank #8: podcastED: SUFS president Doug Tuthill interviews education innovator Kelly Smith

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In this episode, Tuthill speaks with the founder and CEO of Arizona-based Prenda, an organization on the frontlines of the micro-school tsunami that has ensued during the global pandemic. These home learning environments, catering to fewer than a dozen similarly aged students, are gaining traction as concerns about health and safety in brick-and-mortar schools continue to rise.

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Smith discusses how he was inspired to create Prenda after realizing he didn’t “know how to learn” while studying at MIT and how that inspiration led him to envision countless opportunities to change the way America thinks about learning. Rejecting the notion that education is a passive activity, Smith launched Prenda as an organization “starting with the heart, honoring each child’s “divinity and infinite value.”

“We’re focused on the question, ‘What does it mean for children to engage in the world and learn things?’ … to go out and build the life you want?”

EPISODE DETAILS:

Prenda’s learning model of “conquer, collaborate, create”

How micro-schoolteachers act as guides to activate student learning

Equity issues and ensuring that the most vulnerable have access to Prenda programs

Criticisms surrounding ignoring pedagogical best practices in favor of Prenda’s holistic approach 

Prenda’s expansion plans into additional states including Florida

LINKS MENTIONED:

Conquer, Collaborate, Create – Prenda Learning Model

Washington Post: For parents who can afford it, a solution for the fall: Bring teachers to them

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Jul 22 2020

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Rank #9: podcastED: SUFS president Doug Tuthill interviews curriculum pioneer Lynne Munson

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In this episode, Tuthill speaks with the chief executive officer and founder of GreatMinds, an organization focused on developing world class, content-rich curriculum for PK-12 students. A group of education leaders launched GreatMinds in 2007, and now 75% of its employees come from the teacher ranks. GreatMinds curricula aim to inspire joy in both teaching and learning, giving teachers the tools they need to help students achieve success.

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Tuthill and Munson discuss how a knowledge-rich curriculum moves away from a rote memorization learning style toward a holistic and comprehensive understanding of English, math and science. One of the original proponents of Common Core standards, Munson recalls decades-long political curriculum battles. Amid the global pandemic, she believes more than ever in the power of knowledge-rich curriculum.

“There’s a shocking amount of change going on … a lot of hope out there. By and large, the momentum of having done things (one) way for so long is our greatest enemy.”

EPISODE DETAILS:

How “drill-and-kill” style textbooks and curriculum can disempower student learning

The politics of Common Core

GreatMinds’ use of technology to follow rather than co-opt instruction

Plans to develop curricula for social studies and history

LINKS MENTIONED:

GreatMinds Wit and Wisdom

GreatMinds Eureka Math

Great Minds Alexandria Plan

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Jul 15 2020

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Rank #10: PodcastED: SUFS president Doug Tuthill interviews education innovator Tom Arnett

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In this episode, Tuthill talks with a senior research fellow in education for the Christensen Institute whose work focuses on studying innovations that amplify educator capacity, documenting barriers to K-12 innovation, and identifying disruptive innovations in education.

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Tuthill and Arnett discuss the future of public education and the various “blended learning” models available for students today that leverage technology to customize education based individual needs.

In the midst of a worldwide pandemic that has disrupted education in unprecedented ways, both believe new learning models such as blending online learning with traditional brick-and-mortar education will help alleviate pandemic-related health concerns while serving as a long-term option more families will choose. They also discuss inherent problems of equity surrounding access and varying levels of parental and family involvement.

“As a parent I often found myself wondering, “what are my kids really learning?… I can make this learning much better for them if we can talk about it (at) the dinner table … right now necessitates a greater interdependence between home and school.”

EPISODE DETAILS:

·       COVID-19 as an accelerant to changes in public education

·       How technology can be used more assertively to enhance education productivity and reduce inequity

·       Types of learning best delivered face to face versus delivery online and best practice for optimizing lesson plans

·       How to help parents meet their growing role in public education

·       How public education can begin to unbundle services to better serve communities

LINKS MENTIONED:

Blended learning models that can help schools reopen

The Modern Classrooms Project

Blended Learning Universe

The Learning Accelerator

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Jul 09 2020

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