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66 of The Best Podcast Episodes for Jason Fried. A collection of podcasts episodes with or about Jason Fried, often where they are interviewed.

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66 of The Best Podcast Episodes for Jason Fried. A collection of podcasts episodes with or about Jason Fried, often where they are interviewed.

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#282: Leading a High-Performance Remote Team, with Jason Fried

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Basecamp founder & CEO Jason Fried discusses how the pandemic has shifted the perspective on remote work, what companies need to do to thrive with newly-remote teams, and how to handle the influx of communication that could overwhelm team members. 

If you want more insight on how to succeed with a remote law firm, check out our resource page on virtual law firms. 

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Jun 25 2020



Jason Fried: Would you pay to get less email?

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Basecamp CEO Jason Fried talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about the company's new email product, Hey, which he describes as "the most ambitious and stupidest thing we’ve ever done." Fried also discusses how coronavirus proved that offices are not as important as other companies used to say, why Zoom calls "suck," and why Basecamp is charging $99/year for a personal Hey account, Plus: Why Uber is a "shitty business," why Fried doesn't want any public CEO's job, and the state of tech regulation.


Jason Fried (@jasonfried), CEO, Basecamp


Kara Swisher (@karaswisher), Recode co-founder and editor-at-large

More to explore:

On Reset, Arielle Duhaime-Ross explores why — and how — tech is changing everything.

On Recode Media, Peter Kafka interviews business titans, journalists, comedians and podcasters about the collision of tech and media.

On Pivot, Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway talk about the big tech news stories of the week, who's winning, who's failing, and what comes next.

And on Land of the Giants, Jason Del Rey chronicled the rise of Amazon. Season 2 will focus on Netflix and is coming soon!

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Jun 15 2020



141: Jason Fried - Running the Tailwind Business on Basecamp

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In this episode, Adam talks to Jason Fried about growing the Tailwind team and how to best use Basecamp to keep his particular company organized. He also walks through tons of real examples from their recent work on HEY, sharing lots of behind-the-scenes stuff about how Basecamp use Basecamp themselves.

Topics include:

  • How did Basecamp evolve from being a team/client communication tool to focusing on keeping your whole company organized, and is it really even that different?
  • How exactly should we set up Basecamp on day one to support a small 3-5 person remote software team? What tools should we use and which ones should we ignore for now?
  • Finding the balance between being organized enough and splitting things up too much
  • How big should projects be? Is "HEY v1" a project, or is a project something more like "HEY File Attachments"?
  • What tools do you normally enable for regular projects, and how do you use them?
  • How are you normally using chat at the individual project level?
  • Why todo lists should be created by the individuals doing the work, and not the people assigning the work
  • How should we use the company HQ project? What are some less obvious ideas we can apply there that can make a big difference?
  • Using a "what we're working on" project to keep everyone on the team in the loop and feeling connected
  • Using "heartbeats" to summarize the work a team has been doing over a period of time for the rest of the company
  • Advice on bringing on new employees and how to assign them their first project
  • When you're such a writing-driven company, how do you make sure decisions get written down when they are made in real-time instead of naturally occurring within Basecamp?



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Jun 10 2020

1hr 6mins


Product Strategy Q&A with Jason Fried and Ryan Singer

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CEO Jason Fried and Head of Strategy Ryan Singer talk about the Shape Up approach to product development that we use at Basecamp. They discuss organizing work in six-week cycles, how to handle disagreement, and how so much of the process boils down to making trade-offs. You can also watch the full video of this Q&A session.

Show Notes

Going Remote Q&A videos on YouTube - 00:57

Basecamp's remote work resources - 1:00

Jason Fried | Ryan Singer on Twitter - 1:09

Hey, Basecamp's forthcoming email product - 1:23

Shape Up: Stop Running in Circles and Ship Work that Matters - 2:17

Q1: How do you go about planning something from scratch? What are the different milestones in the product-planning process? - 4:59

An explainer of six-week cycles - 6:10

An explainer of finding the epicenter from Getting Real, Basecamp's earlier book on product development - 11:50

Q2: How do you decide how far to break down projects? Can you be so granular that you reach a point of diminishing returns? - 13:31

Shape Up chapter on scopes - 16:10

Q3: How do you decide which pitches to execute, and how often do you disagree? - 19:32

Spikeball - 27:55

Q4: How is potential value creation assessed in the betting process? - 27:58

Q5: How do you alert someone about work that needs to be done by them? - 34:45

Q6: How do you do a 6-week cycle for a whole new project? - 37:10

Inverted pyramid - 38:36

Q7: How do you pitch the Shape Up process to someone who’s not technical? - 39:28

Q8: How do you train team members to learn the work process? - 42:28

Q9: How do conversations with customers fit into the shaping and strategy? - 46:22

Q10: What do you do about people who ignore the breadboarding and fat marker techniques? - 50:33

Q11: Is there a utility in using software? - 54:49

Q12: When approaching features like two-factor authentication or encryption, how do you balance what’s most secure with what’s most convenient for users? - 55:22

Q12: How did you decide to work on Hey? What’s the bet and how did you structure the team separate from Basecamp? - 1:03:10

Highrise - 1:03:26

"Highrise is back with Basecamp" (Signal v. Noise ) - 1:07:22

Apr 28 2020

1hr 21mins


Stuck@Om with Jason Fried

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In today’s episode of Stuck@Om, I have a conversation with my friend Jason Fried — Co-founder and CEO of Basecamp. We talk about the parts of lockdown that we’ve enjoyed as well as the ways it’s made us more thankful. Jason admits that we don’t realize how much we take for granted. Hopefully, when we emerge from this pandemic we can be more appreciative of the teachers, nannies, and cleaning services that help us manage our everyday lives. 

Jason and I chat about the reality that there are no full-time employees right now. Those lucky enough to work from home are juggling caring for their children, cooking meals, and other priorities. Leaders must recognize this reality and adjust their expectations accordingly. Basecamp has taken this to heart. They know that everyone must find a balance that works for their family. If that means they can only contribute 4 hours towards a workday, they’ve articulated to their employees that they understand — things will be okay at a slower pace. 

We talk about technology and the concept of efficiency and effectiveness. How doing more isn’t always accomplishing more and that activity doesn’t equate to achievement. We also ponder the micro-level changes we will see when we emerge from this pandemic. Will we always stand a foot further apart? Will shaking hands no longer be a social norm? Will the ability to trust become the largest victim of this pandemic? 

Jason and I chat about everything from the coronavirus and climate change to Grand Seiko watches and custom clothing. Listen to hear an engaging conversation between friends. 

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Outline of This Episode
  • How Jason and his wife are navigating lockdown with 2 children
  • Be creative instead of being bogged down by negativity
  • The greatest things about technology are also the worst
  • Leaders have to recognize and adapt to the new reality we’re in
  • The concept humans struggle with that our identity is found in work
  • We need to eliminate the cultural expectation of an immediate response
  • Not everything is categorized “breaking news”—it isn’t all important
  • Do we have too many tools creating more chaos than order?
  • Will trust become the largest victim of this pandemic? 
  • The hope that new technologies will emerge out of this
  • The coronavirus is just a symptom of larger issues at play
  • We have to change and adapt to new realities
  • Dealing with mass paranoia: everyone has become dangerous
  • We talk about our mutual love of Grand Seiko Watches
  • Why I have exactly 100 pieces of clothing in my wardrobe
  • The things you should spend money on: good food and comfort
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Apr 17 2020

1hr 8mins


#93 - AMA with Jason Fried: Work-life balance, avoiding burnout, defining success, company culture, and more

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In my first interview with Jason Fried, Jason explained his overall philosophy about work-life balance and how exactly he optimizes for efficiency. For this special follow-up AMA, we've decided to release the full episode to everyone (including non-subscribers), so all can hear Jason answer questions from listeners that dive deeper into topics such as work-life balance, the role of luck versus hard work in success, specifics around Basecamp’s unique process-oriented approach to projects, 4-day work weeks, practical tips for people searching for the right company culture, tips on writing and parenting, and a whole bunch more.

  • If Jason had taken his own advice about work-life balance at the start of his career, would he have achieved the same level of success? [2:05];

  • What is Jason’s definition of success, and what is he optimizing for? [10:10];

  • Basecamp’s policy on email and expectations for a quick response, and why Jason believes in sleeping on big decisions [14:30];

  • How Jason implements “true” work-life balance in his life and at Basecamp [19:15];

  • Does work and life have to be separated in order to have balance? [32:00];

  • How Jason makes time the fixed component to avoid the compulsion to keep pushing forward on a project perpetually [34:15];

  • Jason’s tip for physicians who may be facing burnout [45:00];

  • Signs of “burnout” if you do the same thing for work and pleasure, and tips to avoid and manage that feeling [49:45];

  • Is a 40-hour work week the correct amount? [53:45];

  • How to evaluate a company’s culture when looking for a job with the right work environment [59:00];

  • Jason’s take on salaries and alternate incentives like equity, profit sharing, etc. [1:06:45];

  • What traits does Jason look for when hiring new employees? [1:13:45];

  • Does Jason believe in process-oriented work or outcome-driven work, and Basecamp’s unique process for completing projects [1:16:15];

  • How does Jason handle a project that results in a failure? [1:20:00];

  • Advice for people in situations where they don’t have full control of their time and work demands [1:23:50];

  • How much of success should be attributed to skill versus luck? [1:29:30];

  • The importance of writing skills, and tip to improve your writing [1:43:15];

  • Lessons learned from parenting, and Peter’s top priority when it comes to raising kids [1:52:15];

  • An important skill: the ability to say “no” to things [2:01:15]; and

  • More.

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Feb 17 2020

2hr 7mins


It Doesn't Have to be Crazy at Work (w/ Jason Fried)

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Jason Fried is the co-founder and CEO of Basecamp, a software development company. Jason is the author of many books, including his recent “It Doesn't Have to Be Crazy at Work.” The Economist wrote, “Their book is funny, well-written and iconoclastic and by far the best thing on management published this year.”  And I second that opinion.

Dec 06 2019



338: Jason Fried - How To Create The Ideal Company Culture (It Doesn't Have To Be Crazy At Work)

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The Learning Leader Show With Ryan Hawk

Episode #338: Jason Fried

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Jason Fried is the founder & CEO at Basecamp. He's the co-author of Getting Real, Remote, REWORK, and It Doesn't Have To Be Crazy At Work.  Basecamp is a privately-held Chicago-based company committed to building the best web-based tools possible with the least number of features necessary. Their blog, Signal vs. Noise, is read by over 100,000 people every day. Jason believes there's real value and beauty in the basics. Elegance, respect for people's desire to simply get stuff done, and honest ease of use are the hallmarks of Basecamp products.


  • Commonalities of leaders who sustain excellence:
    • Willingness/ability to know what's the work worth doing
      • The skill to discern what's important
    • How to develop that skill?
      • Must become a good auditor of your time.  Practice.  Look back on what you've done.  Analyze what you do? Discern what's worth it.
  • Remote work:
    • Basecamp has 56 employees in 30 cities around the world... Why remote?
      • "You don't want the best people, you want the right people."  The odds of all the right people living near your headquarters is small.
    • The business started in Chicago with three people.
      • They hired DHH to be their first programmer.  He lived in Denmark.  Then they hired someone in Utah.  "It just worked.  We didn't worry about where, just wanted to find the right people."
  • Jason never writes a business plan -- No 1, 3, or 5 year plan.  They work in six week project increments.
    • Why? "Planning is simply guessing.  Setting your course over a guess doesn't seem like a good idea.  We have an idea of where we're headed, but we work in six week chunks."
  • What Jason learned from Jeff Bezos:  "People who were right often changed their minds." --> Be willing to change your mind when better evidence presents itself.
  • The "anti-goal" mindset:
    • "(Financial) Goals are made up. There's nothing about them that's true.  They are guesses... Made up numbers."
      • "Asking if I hit the goal is the wrong question.  Asking if I enjoyed the run is the better question."
      • "One of the problems with setting goals is you are a different person when you set them than when they need to be met."  You grow, evolve, and change.
      • "Too many companies focus on numbers instead of their customers." --> That is because they have number based goals to hit.  It can ruin the customer experience (Jason had a terrible experience trying to cancel his satellite radio service)
  • Qualities Jason looks for when making hiring decisions:
    • Communicate clearly - "You must be a great writer."  Much of their communication is done in writing.  "We look at the cover letter first.  That must be good.  If that's not well written, then we do not look at the resume."
    • Quality of character - "You must be a good person.  We hire people that we want to be with.  No ego.  We like to hire people that use "we" and "us" instead of "I"
    • Must be able to give and take feedback - Need to be coachable.  "For designers, we give them a project to do in the interview process and then we provide them feedback.  If they can't handle it, we will not hire them."
  • Transition from individual contributor to leader... How to do it well?
    • "It is REALLY hard. Very few people are born being good managers."
    • "Come to terms that you can no longer do everything."
    • Advice Jason got from Tobi (CEO of Shopify) - "As the CEO, you are working on longer term strategic initiatives.  You don't get to feel the day-to-day progress that people lower in the organization feel."  Need to get comfortable with that.
  • Some of the benefits at Basecamp: Fully paid vacation every year for all employees ($5K), 3 day weekends all summer, $1K/year in continuing education outside of your job, $100/month for a massage, $100/month gym membership, $2K/year charity match, paid in the top 10% of your salary range as if you lived in San Francisco (even though no employees live in San Francisco)
    • Why do it? "It's the right thing to do.  I wanted to start a business that I wanted to work at.  We're a company that cares about service."
    • "People are not the place to save money.  They are the place to spend money."
  • "Give people their time.  A contiguous block of time every day to do their work."  Don't muddle it up with meetings in the middle of that time.
  • "I'll work hard now so I can relax later" is not the optimal way to live.  Create the habits now to enjoy it as you go.  "Later" is where intentions go to die.  "When calm starts early, calm becomes the habit."

Nov 11 2019

1hr 8mins


IN PURSUIT from Glassdoor - Jason Fried

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Jason Fried doesn’t set goals “because they're mostly artificial. You either hit the goal and you're happy [or] you don't hit it and you're upset. And if you hit it, then you just set up another one. What's the point?” His conversation with Amy Elisa Jackson in this episode is filled with wise advice that comes from his direct experience as the CEO of a successful company and co-author of Rework, a New York Times bestseller about work.   

He believes in the power of saying “no” and the freedom it brings. “What I found is the more often I say ‘yes’, the more often I regretted the decision down the road. It's really easy to say ‘yes’ to something, especially when it's later on because it doesn't cost you anything right now. No is just more specific, and it frees you up. You end up having more flexibility and more independence when you say no more frequently.”  In this episode you’ll also learn how to keep your work hours under control, be happier when you are working, and how parenthood can teach lessons you can use at work.

Jason has been a TED speaker. In addition to Rework, he’s been the co-author of It Doesn’t Have to be Crazy at Work, and Remote: Office Not Required. 

IN PURSUIT is hosted by Amy Elisa Jackson and is an original podcast from Glassdoor.

Click to listen now.  Listen and subscribe on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Through honest and candid conversations, guests share how they navigate their careers through achievements, hurdles and heartbreaks encountered along the way.  If you have a question or feedback for us, message us on Twitter (@glassdoor using the hashtag #InPursuitPod).   

Nov 05 2019



#74 – Jason Fried: Optimizing efficiency and work-life balance

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In this episode, Jason Fried, co-founder of Basecamp, shares his beliefs around achieving business success in a modern world which tends to disproportionately focus on the massive success stories (the outliers). Jason gives his honest take on companies like WeWork, Uber, and Lyft that may give off the appearance of wild success but may instead provide an example of the dangers of perverse incentives. We get into Jason’s backstory, and how his affinity for optimizing efficiency and production in the workplace culminated with the creation of Basecamp, his very successful web-based project management software business. Perhaps most importantly, we get really deep into all aspects of work-life balance and what it really means to “work hard” (Stay tuned for an AMA-style deep dive into the topic of work-life balance with Jason in the near future). In addition, Jason provides many more valuable nuggets including thoughts on some common mistakes made by businesses today, the value of giving employees autonomy, how to take the right types of risks, why he doesn’t set any goals, and much, much more.

We discuss:

  • Jason’s background and his early entrepreneurial spirit [9:45];
  • Views on completing higher education and the notion of hard work [24:00];
  • Beliefs around success in business [35:00];
  • WeWork, Uber, and Lyft: Poor business practices and the dangers of perverse incentives [41:30];
  • Jason’s early career: his redesign approach and personal motivation [56:00];
  • The genesis of Basecamp [1:10:00];
  • Why Jason does not set goals but instead focuses on a vision [1:12:15];
  • Workplace motivation and hiring practice [1:20:30];
  • The importance of luck and not overworking [1:32:00];
  • A framework to work less and optimize for workplace autonomy [1:38:00];
  • The importance of saying ‘no’ more often (and tips for doing so) [1:55:00];
  • A shared passion for watches [2:03:30];
  • Guarding against the perils of phone addiction [2:08:45];
  • Jason’s views on email and chat for communication [2:15:00] and;
  • More.

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Oct 07 2019

2hr 24mins