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Latest 4 Feb 2023 | Updated Daily

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“Ask Kathy” - Kathy Fettke Shares Her 2023 Real Estate Investing Strategies

Real Wealth Show: Real Estate Investing Podcast

This is our second “Ask Kathy” episode for the Real Wealth Show. Podcast host Kathy Fettke collected several questions about today’s real estate investing environment, and shares what she would do in those situations. Questions that she answers include: 1 - If you had $100k to invest today, how would you invest it? (from Karla) 2 - Is it a bad time to use a HELOC for a down payment? (from Jeff) 3 - Are 30-year fixed-rate loans still preferable? (from Jeff) 4 - What markets would you shy away from and why? (from Andreas) 5 - Does the 1% rule still matter" What's true now? (from Cynthia 6 - You talk about hot markets in Florida. What about cities outside the major metros? Doable? (from Cynthia) 7 - What is your outlook on short-term rentals? (from Karla) Kathy and her husband, Rich, co-founded RealWealth to share what they learned about real estate investing. At first, they did it to educate their friends, but that social circle has now turned into a network of more than 66,000 members! Their mission? "We help you create passive income and ongoing cash flow with real estate... so you can live life on your own terms." Kathy is passionate about helping others, and looks forward to collecting more questions for a future "Ask Kathy" episode. Send as many as you like to podcasts@realwealth.com and we’ll add them to our list! Kathy is an active real estate investor and a licensed real estate agent with more than 25 years of experience. In addition to her mission at RealWealth, she's the CEO of Grow Developments which helps people invest passively in syndicated real estate deals. She’s been doing the "Real Wealth Show" podcast since 2003, and "The Real Estate News for Investors" podcast since 2016. More recently, she was picked to co-host the Bigger Pockets "On the Market" podcast. If you’d like to learn more about how to create passive income with real estate, check out her newly updated bestseller “Retire Rich with Rentals" which you can find here on Audible. You will also find answers to your questions as a member of RealWealth. You can join for free at www.RealWealthShow.com And please remember to subscribe to this podcast and leave us a review!


27 Jan 2023

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Markets & Media: Kathy Fettke on Interviewing Successful RE Millionaires and then Becoming One | REM #167

Real Estate Monopoly

Remaining up to date on real estate trends is hard enough, but can you trust the sources of information you use? Finding reliable sources of information is a MUST if you want to grow your wealth and succeed in real estate. In this episode, we bring on a guest who is an expert in media and real estate to discuss her journey as a real estate investor and journalist, and how the investor can access useful data to position themselves for success. Kathy Fettke specializes in teaching people how to build multi-million dollar real estate portfolios through creative finance and planning. She is passionate about researching and then sharing the most important information about real estate, market cycles and the economy. She’s the Author of the #1 best seller, Retire Rich with Rentals, and she is a frequent guest expert on CNN, CNBC, Fox News, NPR and CBS MarketWatch. She’s also the host of two RealWealth podcasts, The Real Wealth Show and Real Estate News for Investors, and co-hosts the BiggerPockets “On the Market” podcast. Kathy dives into how she gets reliable information as a real estate investor, lessons she has learned from interviewing top investors such as Robert Kiyosaki, how her definition of wealth has changed throughout her real estate journey, and timely advice for newer investors looking to break into the industry. Make sure to tune in to learn about how one of the most influential investors in real estate is succeeding! Connect with Kathy: Website: www.realwealth.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kathyfettke/?hl=en Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kathyfettke/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kathyfettke?lang=en If you want to download our FREE 3-Step Passive Investing Checklist, go to https://www.donisinvestmentgroup.com/checklist Follow Us: @donisbrothers on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook @Donis Investment Group on Linkedin Website –  https://www.donisinvestmentgroup.com/ https://www.donisinvestmentgroup.com/checklist


24 Oct 2022

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SA527 | The Potential Wealth From Real Estate Assets in the Path of Progress with Kathy Fettke

How Did They Do It? Real Estate

There are always plenty of opportunities in real estate whichever market you're in, and today, we'll give you reasons why you should always believe in the business despite the economic condition. Kathy Fettke shares her expertise in finding markets with great potential, dealing with your self-limiting beliefs, and investing challenges. Don't miss it, as we'll cover more topics in this episode!Key Takeaways to Listen forWhy you should buy properties in emerging and progressing marketsHow to identify if a property is within the path of progressChallenges of finding trustworthy people in real estateAdvantages and opportunities of being a buyer in today’s market condition3 things to do now as a beginner in the real estate investing businessThe importance of shifting your mindset and perspective about moneyResources Mentioned in This EpisodeSA500 | Acquire REAL Wealth by Possessing the Qualities of a Wise Investor with Rich FettkeThe Wise Investor by Rich Fettke | Hardcover & AudiobookU.S. Chamber of CommerceCHIPS and Science ActFree Apartment Syndication Due Diligence Checklist for Passive Investor About Kathy FettkeKathy Fettke specializes in teaching people how to build multi-million dollar real estate portfolios through creative finance and planning. She is passionate about researching and then sharing the most important information about real estate, market cycles, and the economy. Author of the #1 best-seller, Retire Rich with Rentals, Kathy is a frequent guest expert on such media as CNN, CNBC, Fox News, NPR, and CBS MarketWatch. She’s the host of two RealWealth podcasts, The Real Wealth Show and Real Estate News for Investors, and co-host of the BiggerPockets “On the Market” podcast. Connect with KathyWebsites: Real Wealth | Grow DevelopmentsPodcasts: The Real Wealth Show |  Real Estate News for Investors | On The Market Connect With UsPlease visit our website: www.bonavestcapital.com and please click here, to leave a rating and review!SponsorsGrow Your Show, LLCThinking About Creating and Growing Your Own Podcast But Not Sure Where To Start?Visit GrowYourShow.com and Schedule a call with Adam A. Adams.


22 Sep 2022

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45. Finding Opportunities in Residential Real Estate feat. Kathy Fettke

Invest Like a Billionaire - The alternative investments & strategies billionaires use to grow wealth

The financial world is changing, and with it comes a lot of uncertainty for investors. But one thing that won't change? The need to maintain your wealth through diversification. In this week's episode, Ben Fraser and Bob Fraser together with Kathy Fettke from RealWealth discuss the potential for damage in the real estate market as a result of inflation and rising interest rates, as well as the importance of diversification when it comes to investing in real estate. Whether you're a novice investor or a seasoned pro, this episode is sure to provide valuable insights.   Love the show? Subscribe, rate, review, and share! TheBillionairePodcast.com   Read transcription and show notes - https://aspenfunds.us/podcast/finding-opportunities-in-residential-real-estate---feat-kathy-fettke/ Listen on any podcast platform - https://anchor.fm/invest-like-a-billionaire Learn more about Aspen Funds - https://aspenfunds.us/


11 Aug 2022

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Women of Influence See Powerful Results With Kathy Fettke [DB112]

Darin Batchelder’s Multifamily Real Estate Investing Show

Do you want to be a woman of influence? Kathy Fettke is a woman of influence and has learned from some of the most powerful women around. She knows how to build a brand, give back, and is not afraid to be in front of the camera. If you want to learn more about real estate investing or just become a more powerful woman, then this is the episode for you. Listen in to hear why Kathy’s real wealth membership has grown to over 72,000 members. For links and resources discussed in this episode, please visit our show notes at https://darinbatchelder.com/women-of-influence

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2 Aug 2022

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407: Housing Market Debate with Kathy Fettke

Get Rich Education

When mortgage rates rise, home builders slow down on building. This constrains supply and supports housing prices. A record share of Americans say inflation is their No. 1 concern. The CPI is 9.1%. Property operating expenses are rising with inflation, like insurance and property tax. What helps you pay for it? Rising rent. Philosophically, why should you raise the rent on your tenants?  Besides adjusting it to the market amount, you took time learning, you built your credit, you accumulated a 20% down payment, you originated an 80% loan, your operating expenses are rising, you weathered pandemic uncertainty. If an auto mechanic makes $60 an hour, in ten years, they might make $90 an hour. Where’s the growth in this? Kathy Fettke from Real Wealth joins us.   We disagree on the housing market being “healthy”. I believe a good description of the housing market is: "unbalanced": Healthy for: rental property owners, existing homeowners, sellers. Unhealthy for: renters, homebuyers.  She believes that the Fed has overstimulated the economy, prices are high, and housing is undersupplied. We discuss real estate’s demographic advantage. We agree that it’s a bad market for prospective first-time buyers and renters, and good for those that have rental properties. A housing price crash anytime soon is highly unlikely. She & I each believe that today, it makes sense to add carefully-bought rental properties to rent to others. Resources mentioned: Show Notes: www.GetRichEducation.com/407 Real Wealth with Kathy Fettke: https://realwealth.com/ Get mortgage loans for investment property: RidgeLendingGroup.com or call 855-74-RIDGE  or e-mail: info@RidgeLendingGroup.com JWB’s available Florida income property: www.jwbrealestate.com/gre To learn more about eQRPs: text “GRE” to 307-213-3475 or: eQRP.co Available Central Florida new-build income properties: www.b2rdirect.com Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Get our free, wealth-building “Don’t Quit Your Daydream Letter”: www.GetRichEducation.com/Letter Our YouTube Channel: www.youtube.com/c/GetRichEducation Top Properties & Providers: GREmarketplace.com Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Keith’s personal Instagram: @keithweinhold


25 Jul 2022

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Kathy Fettke’s perspective on the direction of the housing market

The SFR Show

With a passion for researching and sharing the most important facts on real estate and economics, Kathy Fettke is a frequent guest expert on such media as CNN, CNBC, Fox News, NPR, CBS MarketWatch and the Wall Street Journal. She is the author of the #1 best-seller, Retire Rich with Rentals, and host of two long-running RealWealth podcasts – “The Real Wealth Show” and “Real Estate News for Investors.” You’ll also find her on the recently launched BiggerPockets “On the Market” podcast as one of several co-hosts. Kathy received her BA in Broadcast Communications from San Francisco State University and worked in the newsrooms of CNN, FOX, CTV, and ABC-7. She’s the past president of American Women in Radio & Television. She is passionate about learning and sharing that information with the members of RealWealth and her podcast listeners. In today’s show, Kathy shares her investment journey, her predictions on where we've been, and where the market is headed. Episode Link: https://realwealth.com/ --- Transcript Before we jump into the episode, here's a quick disclaimer about our content. The Remote Real Estate Investor podcast is for informational purposes only, and is not intended as investment advice. The views, opinions and strategies of both the hosts and the guests are their own and should not be considered as guidance from Roofstock. Make sure to always run your own numbers, make your own independent decisions and seek investment advice from licensed professionals. Michael: What's going on everyone? Welcome to another episode of the Remote Real Estate Investor. I'm Michael Albaum and today I'm joined by Kathy Fettke, who is the co-founder of Real wealth and she's going to be talking to us today about her predictions around where the market is headed, and where we've been. So let's get into it. Kathy Fettke, how are you? Thanks so much for taking the time. Kathy: I am doing wonderful, thanks for having me here. Michael: Oh my gosh, I'm so excited. So we had your husband Rich on a while ago on our podcast and we were asking him about market conditions and forecasting and he goes timeout you got to have my wife on. So for anyone who didn't catch that episode, give us a quick, quick intro background, who you are, where you come from and what it is you're doing in real estate. Kathy: Yeah, well, Rich, and I founded real wealth, which we really did by accident. It was back in 2003 when he was really more in the motivational world. He was a speaker and had come out with a book called extreme success. He was doing this national book tour, we didn't know anything about real estate, but we house hacked, which wasn't really a term then. But basically, we bought a house it was way too expensive for us. So we rented out rooms and that's how we afford to live there. That's how you summarize that. But other than that, that was our only landlord experience and we didn't we didn't think that we could buy real estate until we were rich. You know, that's oftentimes what people think like, I gotta wait till I am a multimillionaire before I can do that, so he you know, he was building his coaching business, I was a stay at home mom. It was on that. On one of his when he came home from his tour, his media tour, and he noticed a freckle. As you probably saw, he's a redhead. So there's a lot of freckles on that guy but he noticed he was like this one's weird. So he checked it out and the doctor looked at it did more tests, thought he basically told rich, he had probably six months to live because melanoma was extremely deadly than it probably still is. But they have better things today. But back then it was just like, here's your diagnosis, you got six months. So obviously a massive shocker. Both of us being motivational speakers and coaches were like, no, no, no, I'm not buying this. But I had to figure out the finances and I wanted to take over so that he could you know, if the doctor was right so that he could really enjoy himself for those six months. But really, we both were like No, don't even go there just get better. So that's when I had a weekend radio show in San Francisco that I just did for fun. It was kind of a coaching show is helping people go after their dreams in a in like a 90 day period and, and really create the things that they always wanted, but were afraid to do and all of a sudden, I'm like, I gotta change the show to me figuring out how to make money in 90 days, you know and how do I do that? So I completely changed the focus to wealth building and because it was the San Francisco show, I could interview really high level people like Robert Kiyosaki and that's how I learned real estate investing and that's over time, we built real wealth and we've been helping people, you know, educate people and educate ourselves ever since on how to build wealth through real estate. Michael: I love that. So you're telling us that you learned real estate investing via hosting your own podcast and interviewing folks that had done it? Kathy: Oh, yeah and I was such a dummy. I mean, like, literally knew nothing. Nothing. I mean, we were renting out rooms in our home on Craigslist. So like, we understood the dark side of what's doing, right, because of stories there. But no, it wasn't until I just thought I got it. I gotta figure this thing out. I've heard that there's a thing called passive income. I don't know what it is but let's find out and I just started interviewing people but I was lucky enough that because I was so desperate to create money, and I've been a stay at home mom for years. I I'd been in broadcasting and that was my degree. But I didn't want to chase fires and murderers when I was raising young children. So I, I basically was not doing that anymore and, and so and bless. They had strikes all the time where I'd have to march for hours in the middle of the night like that. Anyway, I hadn't been working and I didn't It's hard for women when you're out of the workforce for even a few months, but let alone a few years, kind of don't know how to get back in. So that was the focus is like how do I do this? But one thing I thought, well, I could maybe sell sponsorships. So I just started listening to everybody who was advertising at the time. It was like, oh, wow, there's a lot of people, but advertising mortgages. So because you know, this was 2003 and that was what it was everybody was wanting a mortgage? Because they were ridiculous. So I went down the phonebook which existed at the time, and called all these one by one and finally I got someone. Well, I finally got someone to agree only because I was so tired of hearing no, I called finally the last person on the list. I was like, I got an offer you can't refuse. I'm looking for a co-host, instead of like an advertiser, and the guy's like, yeah, sounds good. So that's how I got my sponsor, but it ended up being a mortgage broker who I made a co-host and I came home and rich started laughing. He's like, oh, now you have a mortgage show. Like, that's gonna be funny, because you don't even like going to our fight you skip every financial planning meeting we ever have. And because I just really wasn't into it. But this mortgage broker who became my co-host, I thought, you know, how am I going to make this interesting, so rich, and I thought, well, you know, interview his clients, find out what they're doing with these loans. And that's, that was the game changer and again, like, I had no idea what I was talking about but I think that's what made the show interesting is, I would I was in such awe of the things that, that these people were doing, that all my audience was like, also learning along with me, and they were in awe. Because I was interviewing these 30 year old who were retired, you know, it was like, I'm 40 and I'm not retired. So what are you doing and I learned about flipping and I learned about buying hold, and I learned tax benefits and, and, you know, just all the strategies that Pete that at the time, were kind of secret because podcasts didn't exist back then. I'm so aging myself, but you couldn't you couldn't get the information. It was like late night TV or $10,000 boot camps, infomercials. Yeah, so it was like I was opening this secret world of real estate investment and making it public and I'm happy to say I was one of the first it changed my life and it changed the life of 1000s of people who got to listen. Michael: I love it, I love it a little bit. Kathy, I want to shift gears here in just a minute. But before we do, I mean, you had such an interesting purview into this world of real estate investing. So having interviewed all those folks, and having taught numerous people how to do this, is there a red thread, or kind of key takeaway that you think should be thought should be spoken to would be investors or newer investors as they're just getting started? Kathy: 100%, I can tell you, for me, I, I had a completely new mindset, because people like me who aren't born wealthy, you know, and, and have parents who work for money, you know, whoever, you know, they, if they're not working, they're not making money that you know, they don't understand investing and assets and cash flow and stuff like that, which is most of the world, right? So if you don't come from that, you don't have it, you don't have the mindset. So interviewing these people who were so different than what I thought rich people were like, and so you can even see it today, people who are angry at those who have there, they're just they feel it's unfair, that that's, that's the mindset I was in and then to actually talk to these people and find out there the most generous people, they have a different way of thinking, they look for opportunity, they look for ways that they can make a difference and making a difference is, you know, you're not going to be in business very long if you're not making a difference. And if you're not helping people, that's the bottom line, you're gonna be out of business unless you're government funded, and you get paid no matter what. But, you know, but you know, in a, in a free market society, it's like, if you're not making a difference in helping people, you're, no one's gonna buy your stuff. So I just really learned that, that these, there was a different mindset. So it had to start there and the way that my mindset changed was just being around people and you hear that a lot you hear, like, if you want to change your mindset, get around people that you want to be like, don't hang around the people you don't want to be like, you know, you become who you hang out with. So for me, just even being on the radio, with these people was enough for me to be exposed to a different way of being so it really begins with mindset, Michael: Love it and kind of taking that a step further, what's your best advice, or the best way that you've seen people get around some different people that have the things or have accomplished what it is I'm looking to accomplish? Kathy: You know, today, it's so much easier. There's so many more opportunities. You have podcasts that are free. Again, this didn't exist. There weren't radio shows that talked about, you know, how to build wealth through real estate, you know, and if it was it was probably someone who was trying to sell you something. So today, you have access to so many different podcasts like right now. You have books that are $20 You know, my book retire rich with rentals is 20 bucks, and it's my experience all summed up. There's so many books like that. out there that are cheap. So, you know, learning from those who really technically have nothing to sell you, you know, except a $20 book, you know, that's, that's okay do that real estate conferences Rheas. There are local Rheas everywhere and you have to be careful, because RIAs still have sharks. Even when I started real wealth, I couldn't believe the number of sharks that were out there and I ran into all of them. I'm telling you, like I couldn't. This is the other thing that new investors don't realize is that not everybody's nice and not everybody's telling you the truth. When you're a truth teller, you just assume other people tell you the truth and I can tell you when it comes to financial services, it's like, you know, there's so many people that can lie to your face and I met all of them here as well as smile, and they're so happy and they would come to my real estate group groups, they would come to me, assuming I was naughty, like they were and be like, hey, I got some properties to offload. You know, I'll pay like 10 grand, you know, we're getting them. This was when the when everything fell apart. He's like, we're buying these things for like, $2,000 in Kansas City, and you can resell them for 20. Like, that's not fair, that like, these are tear downs, you know, but so, and they thought that I would be down for that. So there's, there's still RIAs where there's sharks who got out. So I guess the next step is when it comes to mindset, you've got a next step, educate, educate, educate, because then you can't be ripped off as easily. It's kind of like, I like to describe it, like when I took my family to Costa Rica, and I forgot to do my due diligence in the sense of, I forgot to find out what the exchange rate was and I had my $20 and I wanted an empanada and we were hungry and I handed the $20 and I got some change back and I looked at it, and I didn't know what it was and we walked out and I heard the people laughing. I'm like, oh, I just got ripped off but I don't even know how I don't know. You know, so that's how it is in real estate, if you haven't done your homework, and you haven't read those books and listen to those podcasts and you have learned that it's pretty easy to get ripped off. Michael: Yep, I love that, I love that. Let's shift gears here, Kathy, because what you're doing right now, in this space is super, super interesting and talking about market trends and forecasts. So give us a little bit of insight, give us a little preview into your world of what that looks like and how you're doing it. Kathy: Sure, well, it was in 2005. I'll just kind of go back again, where I was able to get people like Robert Kiyosaki on my show and he was the first one who was counterintuitive and that taught me so much because he was saying things that nobody else was saying, and no headline was saying, at the time, like what oh, like at the time, the, the main economist for the National Association of realtors had just come out with a book in 2006. That said, you know, I can't even remember it. But it was basically like, why this is why there's no housing bubble and why home prices will continue to go up for the rest of the decade and it was like this was the National Association of realtors Chief Economist. So you get Kiyosaki coming on and going, no, no, that's like, the loans are going to reset and they're starting now and by 2007 2008, people won't be able to pay the payment, because it's all adjusting and it was so obvious once I could see the data and that oh, you know, I ended up joining my co-host and becoming a mortgage broker. So I knew how bad the industry was and I knew how full of lies it was I my first loan that I turned in. They the bank came back and said, oh, your client doesn't make enough money and I was like, well, that's too bad. I'll let him know. He doesn't qualify and they said, no, no, we changed his income he qualifies now and I came home and I was like, pocket, I go rich. Is that legal and he goes, no, honey, that's fraud. Don't put your name on that. So I was one of the few mortgage brokers that Dec was didn't want to deal with the consequences of fraud. So I would turn down people and they would just go to the mortgage broker next door. They were Nina loans, no income, no assets. I didn't need anything. Anything, I didn't need to know anything about you and I could give you a $5 million loan. It was crazy. So I knew something was wrong. But so did everybody else but it was it was nobody could see it. So Kiyosaki is going, you know, this isn't going to end well and like yeah, da. So he was explaining that all the markets that really benefited from easy loans and easy lending were California, Nevada, the San states, Arizona, Florida and he said, but there are certain places that haven't abused these loans and Texas was one of those places. Texas wouldn't allow 105% cash out refinance. Do you know what that is? That's where you would do a refi and get more money back than the value of the house. It's bright, steady. So Texas didn't do that because they'd been through the SNL crisis in the 80s. They weren't going to do that again. So, he was Kiyosaki was explaining in 2005 2006 I've sold everything in California and all the San states and I'm buying in Texas, I'm exchanging everything in Texas, because the fundamentals are there. The jobs are there, the population is growing. But the but the property's cash flow and that was something. As a California girl, I didn't even know the word. I didn't know what cash flow was, except for negative cash flow, that was a thing. I was curious, like, if you invest in California with negative and that was like common. So it was like all positive cash flow. Okay, so rich, and I jumped on a plane, we went to Texas in 2005, we came back with five properties, because back then you could buy as unlimited amount of investment properties, no money down. That's the kind of lending that existed, and no paperwork. So you know, sign on the dotted line. So we came back with five, but we bought, right, we bought, where the growth was headed, where the jobs were, where the freeways were going, and I talked about it on the show. Next thing, you know, everybody wanted to do what we were doing. So that's, again, how real well start is just helping people buy and these markets. So I knew back then that you have to does like don't pay attention to the headlines pay attention to fundamentals and that's the same thing I'm doing today and this same thing exists today, where the headlines are, are not following data and people are basing their investment on these false headlines. Like even today, I had a little Facebook fight with some people saying, you know, everybody's like housing crash housing crash, and I'm like, where, like, where? Just show me the data…Yeah, I'm really curious to know where this housing crashes and I get crickets, you know, nothing. But that's what people are thinking and I'm okay with that. If, if my competition leaves the market, I'm okay with that. I would love less competition. Go, go away. Let me buy the stuff, you know. Michael: Yeah, totally, totally. So I mean, I'm hearing the same chatter and seeing the same headlines doom and gloom, bubble housing crash. Talk to us about what you're seeing from a data driven perspective and what kind of your perspective and projections are Kathy: Sure, well, let's look at the American home owner versus the American homeowner before the last crash, before the last crash, there was no money down. In fact, you got cash back for buying, you could buy as many as you want. No, no, no paperwork required, right. It was just right. You know, today, it's a very different situation thanks to Dodd Frank changes it you have to put money down. I mean, not necessarily the first time homebuyer can put 3% down, but they still have to qualify with open books. And we all know how hard it is to get a loan and it has been for the past 12 years, so… Michael: Full cavity search… as your neighbor's mailman, like… Kathy: It's crazy awful. I'm doing one right now and I hate it. But you know, this is what it's been for 12 years is difficult. So you've got people for the last 12 years that had to qualify, you have the highest FICO is these are people who have proven a history of paying their bills, that was not the case back then it was subprime at, you can have a history of not paying your bills and still get a loan 100% financing, not the case today, you have to show that you pay your bills, and that you put money down and that your income supports the payment and not just that, but that debt to income that you can't have so much debt that you can't pay your home. So, you know, it's not been easy. The people who own homes today qualified, they're locked into low rates. They have the lowest housing cost in history. I might be wrong on that but they have very low housing cost the people who own homes. So because they're locked into 3% rates, and they qualified and since then their wages have increased. I'm talking about homeowners only now this is not the case for renters. Renters are in a horrible place today. Horror, I've my heart bleeds for renters today because they they're spending most of their paycheck just trying to have a roof above their heads. It's a difficult time. That's why I've been on a mission to tell people buy a house because you can lock in your payment for 30 years and not worry about rent. But unfortunately, there's a lot of people who are unable to do that and that's the story. It's the renters and hopefully, you know, hopefully landlords will be able to provide affordable housing but it's hard you know, it's hard today because we're trying to build affordable housing and how can we do it when lumber went up? 100% or whatever like it's not easy, eight right la Los Angeles. I live in Southern California. I don't know you know that what happened here but la tried to build affordable housing with a grant you know, free government money. Do you know that that the homeless housing that they built cost 800,000 a unit for I kid you not the oh my gosh, housing 800,000 because it's Well, first of all, governments don't tend to know leave it to the efficient sector. Yeah but it's not easy. So, you know, when you've got a situation now where the Federal Reserve stimulated the housing market when they shouldn't have, they misread even our Federal Reserve that is supposed to be controlling the economy wasn't because they were thinking that during COVID, there would be a slowdown. But of course, when you print 40% of the money that's circulating in two years, there's probably going to be an impact and of course, that impact is inflation and add to it that the Federal Reserve was buying mortgage backed securities to keep interest rates low. So and all this happened when you had the largest demographic ever, of first time homebuyers hitting the market, the millennials, age 28 to 34 biggest, biggest generation ever hitting the homebuyer age and they're very well educated, well paid people, low interest rates, and then add COVID where they could live anywhere. So a recipe for disaster that drove prices up. People think they're going to come crashing down. Tell me why. Tell me why people who are highly paid, qualified for the loan or locked into 3% loans are going to suddenly go, oh, no, rates are up. I'm going it's kind of like that scene and you know, where the roller machine is coming at? Oh, awesome. Yeah, there's no, it's not. That's not happening. Michael: Yeah, well, that's such a good point because I think I would be remiss if we didn't talk about interest rates going up. But that's so much of one side of the equation we're hearing about, in order for people to buy properties at these higher interest rates, there needs to be inventory to sell. So talk to us about kind of that side of the equation as well. Kathy: Yeah, no, it's a great point, you know, it kind of economics comes down to supply and demand, always, always, you know, you can, you can have 2% interest rates, but if nobody wants, whatever it is, that's out there, it doesn't matter and that was kind of what happened in in 2010-2011 and 12. You know, interest rates went so low, but no one was buying housing, because they were scared and there was a lot on the market. So a lot of lot of supply, not enough demand, it didn't matter that rates were low, of course, that that turned around, eventually. But here we are, you know, fast forward, this massive demographic of young people that are trying to just have a place to live. You know, this isn't stocks where you just invest, this is like your life. People want shelter. They don't necessarily want to live with mom and dad. They don't want to live in small apartments downtown as they're forming families and there was this crazy headline that millennials weren't going to form families. Well, not at 21 but they're their family forming age now, you know, like, right, right, right, who's gonna buy a house and have babies at 21… I don't know maybe in the Midwest, but not generally, today. So there was just a lot of misinformation. Again, don't trust the headlines, it's be careful about headlines and look at the data. Today we have a situation where building has been difficult and in 2008, 2000 2008 builders got absolutely wiped out and they were in no mood to get started and many couldn't and there wasn't financing for builders. That's how I got started in syndications because builders came to me and they're like, I can buy land for almost nothing. I can't get money, can you? Can you raise money? I'm like, I don't know. Maybe it turns out I could and so we were able to buy land for almost nothing and you know, buy 4200 lots in Tampa for like 10 cents on the dollar was crazy. It was crazy. But there was no money. So builders just and there was no demand. So why would builders built and that didn't mean that that's applied and really thin out until like 20 I don't know 14 Maybe. So okay, and then being a builder now being someone that boy tough business. You know, that land that we bought in Tampa, we're just now finishing, you know, selling those lots because it takes so long to get infrastructure in place took 10 years to get the roads in and the utilities and stuff. It's not quick, and that's even in Florida and in our other subdivisions. They're all two or three years delayed and that's just us, you know, so think of all the builders out there that either don't have the appetite to do spec housing, they'll build to order basically but and now you know new homes tend to get hit the hardest when rates go up. So builders really aren't in the mood to to build at a time when it's so desperately needed and then add the supply chain issues and the you know, just the blame issues, it's hard to hire anyone and then during COVID, we had to shut down our site, the cities were shut down, we couldn't get permits, we couldn't get approvals and, and then you know, one person gets sick on the job site and you're shut down for two weeks, you come back to work and one other person gets, I mean, it's been hard to bring on new supply at a time when it's so desperately needed. So here we are higher home prices, higher, higher rates, less people able to buy homes, more people forced to rent, and the inventory is not there. Michael: So you think that there is enough kind of demand pent up there with not nearly enough inventory now or on the horizon, that that demand is going to push through those elevated home prices and interest rates? Kathy: You know, again, it just depends on the market. The mistake, I think in the headlines is that they keep treating it like it's a national housing market and you and I both know, that's just not the case. It's so market specific. So there are some areas that really boomed because people from the San Francisco Bay area or from New York, got the heck out of town because they could live anywhere and cities are not so exciting when everything shut down. So you have places like Boise that just bubble up but is it a bubble when it's California money moving to a cheap area. For them it's no bubble, you know and it's not like these Californians are gonna go, oh, you know, gosh, prices are stalling. Maybe I should sell it a loss. No, they bought a house in Boise because they want to live there, you know, they want a second home or whatever and it was cheap for them. So but do I see that continuing? Probably not. I think I'm guessing prices have kind of maxed out at Boise but I also don't see a crash. You know, same for Austin, these aren't places I wouldn't necessarily invest. I don't like investing in places that saw 40% growth year after year. You know, like I, I doubt that's going to continue. I want to be in areas where that hasn't happened yet. It's about to happen. Michael: And so you that's perfect segue into my next question is how do you find the next Boise or the next Austin? What are you looking for and what should our listeners be looking for? Kathy: Yeah, I mean, it's definitely a changing market and, again, that doesn't mean people aren't going to still be moving to Austin and Austin still looks really cheap for people from New York and San Francisco. So some of these areas where, where there's tech growth and job growth and jobs of the future kind of growth. It's going to continue. I mean, look at Miami, if you asked me if Miami would see the kind of growth it's had, I would have said no way. You know, everybody's afraid. It's got to be underwater. No one seems to care. Miami was the hottest market ever last year in the year that everybody's talking about climate change, I don't get that. But you know, what you have? Is the financial sector moving there from New York. So, you know, do you want to live in New York City where it's cold and windy in the winter or do you want to live in Miami, like one? That's right, you're moving? Easy, so I wouldn't, I wouldn't buy there but what that tells me is people that are that lived in Miami who are getting priced out, they're gonna move kind of to other parts of Florida, that are cheaper and companies that you know, maybe are concerned about climate change, you're gonna move to parts of Florida, that aren't as risky. Texas, you know, look at Elon Musk, you see, he's part of a trend that's been going on for 10 years of, hey, there's two places that stayed open during the pandemic, Texas and Florida, maybe South Dakota, but no one wants to live there. So it's really Texas in Florida. If you want to have a business that stays open, you're gonna go there, so the businesses are going there and people are following. Michael: Yeah, that makes total sense and Kathy, where do you go to get your information and to get your data, the raw data, not the politicized headlines, but these are the numbers, I want to use them to then interpret and come to conclusions? Where do you get those from? Kathy: I just I really just interview people all the time that are in that are either longtime experienced investors and have been through cycles and, and understand fundamentals versus hype and I'm not saying not to be cautious. This is a time to be cautious, because we're in a changing market and we don't know how aggressive the Fed is going to be and we don't we don't know what's hot, what's coming. But the fundamentals work no matter what. So I listen to longtime investors who have been through cycles. I follow the I follow closely the federal reserve and what they're doing. I follow the Treasury, the 10 year treasury and this is you know, this tells me when there's all this concern that interest rates are continued going to continue to rise, the 10 year treasuries retreating and the Fed follows the market and the market is saying, we don't, you know, we don't see that inflation is going to continue forever, or that the markets gonna boom forever and if the markets not booming and there's not rampant inflation forever, you're not going to see interest rates continue to rise. You know, if the 10 year treasury is retreating, that tells you rates are going to come back at some point to, again, my opinion. Right. So, those are some of the things I follow. I follow Housing Wire Logan Mota Shami, I love what he says you see could be controversial, but he's to me, he's been he makes sense and just data I mean, it you just look, all you have to do is search mortgage payments on the Fred I look at that's the Federal Reserve and historical, you know, mortgage payments to income, and its lowest it's been, and then look at jobs. We're still at what 3.6% or something on unemployment, so super lawyers the recession… I usually you don't have a recession when you got jobs like that and continued job growth. You know, we've got job numbers coming out, and we're seeing growth. So I don't know, they got two jobs for every one American who wants them. So how is that a recession? Michael: Right, right. Yeah, no, I'm with you 100% and Kathy quickly for investors, because we've talked a lot about and focus a lot about homeowners and owner occupants. But for investors who are just getting started, you know, looking at their fellow investors or hearing podcasts, everyone talks about double digit returns for long term buy and hold for cash flowing properties. Should people be adjusting their expectations now, if they're just getting into the game, because prices are higher and because interest rates have also gone up pr do you think rents have kept up with them over time… Kathy: For us, and I don't know what you guys are seeing, we're seeing cap rates look pretty pathetic honestly, it doesn't look great. So that's a bummer but there's still parts of the country that where you can get pretty good cash flow. They're just not areas that excite me. There, there will always be linear markets, markets that kind of just are there, and you can cash flow in those markets, but you probably won't see appreciation and they haven't even appreciated in this crazy bull run that we've had. So yeah, if something goes wrong, you know, your roof to change your roof, or you know, and I own these kind of properties. You have a plumbing issue, man, there goes your yours cashflow. So, you know, I like cash flow, but I would rather be in areas that are experiencing growth and in those markets, the cashflow is just not great. So I've been telling people, if you're you know, if you're it depends on what you're trying to do and if you're trying to create a retirement for yourself, and you're not needing the cash flow right now, don't worry about it, think about the future and ask yourself, where do I think this property will be 10 years from now, maybe 20 years from now…You know, that's what matters more, because you can make cash flow today, you know, if you're young get a get a job, you know, that should be your cash flow. You're here to give your gift to the world. We don't have an economy if people aren't working and contributing, you know, you were not really meant to come here and retire at 30. I don't think you know, right. So if your job your cash flow and have that job is something that you're great at and you love to do and contributes to society, and have your real estate be what happens when you're you don't want to work anymore and maybe that's 40, maybe that's 50, it shouldn't be 30 if it is good for you. But you know, I look at it, like buy something that is going to hold up in the long run and be in an area where there's growth. Because my experience has been that's where the big bucks are made. We had a single family rental fund that we just closed out. I know you guys, you do lots of funds and what we found in our fund, we bought properties and growth markets and then we bought some cash flow markets to kind of offset and that's how we've always promoted things is like hey get your cash flow properties and get your not so cashflow but growth properties and you know, balances. What we found is that the cash flow properties ended up with like a 8% return or so and the growth properties were like 40% like there was no comparison between the two. So for the long term, you know, get into the hot markets where people want to live and where the where the demographics are moving to and don't worry so much. I mean, obviously the cash flow should cover your expenses. But it's the returns have definitely gone down but that's not preventing me from buying in those areas because you're right, what was it was such a limited supply of inventory. When you're in markets where people are moving to, you're going to see rents go up over time. So never judge a property on the first year of the performer. Don't do that have a five year or a 10 year or a 20 year pro forma, because the first year is always going to be the worst and you know, because you're paying closing costs and, and your rents are, you know what they are that year… Michael: But you're finding stuff you missed in the inspection and… Kathy: All of that… So, but year two, year three or four, just like with apartments, you don't buy an apartment based on your first year. You know, you buy it based on what it's going to do for you. You know, if you're gonna buy an old car, you're gonna you're getting an old car, if you're gonna buy a new car. I mean, I, you shouldn't really compare real estate to cars but I gotta tell you this time, it kind of make sense, rich, and I both own Tesla's that we bought Rich's early adopter. So he bought the first ones. They're worth, like $10,000, more than we paid years ago, the value has gone up on our tests, as I think that's funny, you know, usually, values go down, because of lack of supply, they can't get batteries and who wouldn't want a battery operated car? Michael: You know, it's like 615... Kathy: Yeah, that's right… So that's driving prices up. It's the same thing with real estate. You know, people want a place to live, and they want to lock in their rate, and they're going to lock it in and anyway, it's the same and it's the same as an investor, you're buying in an area where people are moving to you are locking into a rate if there's not enough supply, for all the people moving in, you're gonna see rents go up over time. Michael: That makes total sense. Kathy, this has been so eye opening, super, super fun. If people want to learn more about you reach out to you learn more about your fund, where's the best place to do that? Kathy: You can go to realwealth.com and join it's free and you get access to lots of free information and data and then the real wealth show is my podcast and I interviewed lots of economists there. So that's helpful in trying to sort out what's really going on out there. Michael: Amazing, amazing. Well, thank you again for coming on. Definitely look forward to being in touch and we'll talk soon. Kathy: Awesome, thanks for having me. Michael: Thanks! All right, everyone. That was our episode a big big, big thank you to Kathy for coming on. Super insightful, really, really informative and I love that way to be data driven and not get swept away by the headlines. As always, if you'd like the episode, we'd love to hear from you with a rating or review wherever it is you get your podcasts and we look forward to the next one. Happy investing…


12 Jul 2022

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JF2698: Best Tips on Housing Forecasts with Kathy Fettke

Best Real Estate Investing Advice Ever

We’re sharing the top ten sessions from the Best Ever Conference 2021 as we gear up for the second Best Ever Conference at the Gaylord Rockies Convention Center in Colorado this February 24-26th. In this episode, Kathy Fettke—Co-CEO of Real Wealth Network, Host of the Real Wealth Show, and author of Retire Rich with Rentals—shares what to really look for when forecasting the real estate market. Register for the Best Ever Conference here: www.besteverconference.com Click here to know more about our sponsors: Deal Maker Mentoring | PassiveInvesting.com | FollowUp Boss


21 Jan 2022

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s4e53 Real Estate Investment Makes Sense with Kathy Fettke

Get Traction Real Estate Investing

Welcome to the Get Traction Podcast, a show aimed at educating aspiring real estate entrepreneurs. Today, Tom welcomes to the podcast real estate developer, fund manager and educator, Kathy Fettke. Kathy is the co-CEO of Real Wealth Network, a California-based real estate investment network helping local and international members build wealth through free education, resources and investment properties. Kathy shares her unique story of how a health scare led to her taking the first step towards a successful and lucrative career in real estate investing. She speaks to the impact that COVID-19 has had on the industry and why she’s optimistic for the future. Finally, Kathy shares why investing in real estate just made too much sense not to pursue. Key Takeaways 00:36 – Tom introduces today’s guest, Kathy Fettke who joins the show to talk about the work she’s doing at her company, Real Wealth Network08:27 – Kathy shares an interesting story about the 2008 housing crisis15:24 – Kathy’s process for evaluating the real estate market19:33 – Differentiating between ‘A’ and ‘B’ neighborhoods22:38 – How the global pandemic has impacted the real estate industry25:53 – What Kathy credits much of her success to27:17 – Kathy speculates on what the future holds for real estate34:10 – How Kathy took that first step towards real estate investment40:04 – Tom thanks Kathy for joining the show and let’s listeners know where to follow her Tweetable Quotes “The rent that comes in doesn’t cover the costs, so it costs money to own these assets when you own them in California, unless you have a short-term rental. That’s something new that actually can cash flow, but that’s not passive. It can be, but it’s definitely more of an active investment.” (05:19)“If you love fixing things, if you love flipping houses, you should do that near you. And, I assure you, even in this high priced market in California, there’s people around here flipping houses and making money.” (16:10)“If you can find a place that is job friendly, and there’s jobs coming in, and there’s infrastructure growth, and it’s affordable – those are the four things – I don’t think you can fail.” (19:10)“What people who study demographics are saying is that there’s this movement, this demographic shift, to the Southeast. It’s a beautiful place. You’ve got Florida, Georgia, the Carolinas, and Texas. And these are areas that are still pretty affordable compared to the coasts.” (28:02)“Your accountant didn’t sit you down and say, ‘Here’s how you can pay no taxes and own a lot of real estate.’ Did your accountant tell you that? Mine didn’t.” (36:09) Links Mentioned Tom’s LinkedInTom’s WebsiteTom’s BootcampKathy’s LinkedInThe Real Wealth Show PodcastLink to Kathy’s BookGet Traction Podcast  🎙️ 🎙️ 🎙️Podcast Production & Marketing by FullCast - https://fullcast.co/sn


28 Aug 2021

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E239 : What’s Happening in The Market Today – Kathy Fettke

The Investor Mindset - Real Estate Show

We have a very special guest making a comeback on the show this week. In this episode, join Kathy Fettke and I as we talk about what is truly happening in the real estate market today. Find out more about our investing opportunities here 👉 www.vonfinch.com/invest 👈Kathy Fettke is a real estate manager, fund manager, co-CEO of the Real Wealth Network, author of Retire Rich With Rentals, and the host of the Real Wealth Show podcast. With her wealth of knowledge in real estate and its history, she shares some of the most valuable insights on what’s happening in the real estate market as we speak.Tune in to this episode as we talk about highly relevant subjects like the impact of the recession on the real estate market, as well as the effects of COVID-19, demographic changes, and inflation on how buyers, sellers, investors, and sponsors operate.Whether you are an investor, an operator, or a builder, Kathy’s insights can help you make the right move in the current market that we are operating in. KEY TAKEAWAYS1. Inflation is largely a supply vs. demand issue.2. Operators, investors, and builders are operating with wounds from the 2008 market collapse.3. Builders are having a hard time catching up with demand.4. Being conservative about your investments can be a good thing, especially in this volatile environment. LINKShttps://www.realwealthnetwork.com/about/kathy-fettke/https://twitter.com/kathyfettke?lang=en


2 Aug 2021