LIVE Discussion With Nick Winkelman, John Vervaeke, Rafe & Beth Kelley | EMP Podcast 87
Evolve Move Play Podcast
Welcome to our 5th LIVE airing of the EMP Podcast! 👉 Join for our live podcasts on Zoom https://www.evolvemoveplay.com/opt-podcast?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=organic_social&utm_campaign=eg_podcast Once a month, we’ll be holding live conversations just like this! With EMP Podcast Plus, you’ll get a members-only “backstage pass” and exclusive access to:🔴 Monthly LIVE Zoom calls with Rafe Kelley & EMP Podcast guests🎙 Ask your Questions Live to Movement + Meaning Experts after the show💬 Access to EMP’s distraction-free movement discussion community📹 Exclusive Monthly Response video from Rafe to member questions👟 Movement Challenges for your Daily Practice!and so much more...Our members have already had the pleasure of speaking personally with Marlo Fisken, Mike Fitch, Tom Weksler, Yuri Marmerstein, and today's guests Nick Winkelman & John Vervaeke! We hope to see you soon in our thriving movement community! Just hit the link below to chat with us between shows and in the next live episode!👉 Join on https://www.evolvemoveplay.com/opt-podcast?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=organic_social&utm_campaign=eg_podcastToday on the show we have Nick Winkelman and John Vervaeke joining us again!Last time Nick and John appeared together on the podcast, we took a deep dive into looking at the role of embodiment and physical practices in overcoming the meaning crisis. We talked about how to scaffold up more integrated selves and better sense making from our physical practices, and how we can bring the sense making conversation down into the body. Today I'll be joining the panel and the three of us will be interviewed by my wife Beth Kelley! After the livestream, we'll be opening the room to our members of the EMP Academy and Podcast Plus to have a lengthy Q&A session about the topics we covered. If you want to join that room and talk with John, Nick and I personally after the show, hit the link above to sign up!============Learn More about John Vervaeke YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyre9Ij2nCg&ab_channel=JohnVervaekeTwitter: @vervaeke_johnLearn More about Nick WinkelmanIG: @nickwinkelmanTwitter: @NickWinkelman============👍To support the podcast please like, share, subscribe and turn on the notifications by hitting the bell icon. 👤 VISIT US ONLINE- EMP Website: https://www.evolvemoveplay.com- EMP Shop: https://shop.evolvemoveplay.com- IG: @RafeKelly - http://www.instagram.com/rafekelley/ - FB: @RafeKelleyMovement - https://www.facebook.com/RafeKelleyMovement/- Twitter: @rafekelley - https://twitter.com/rafekelley- YT Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/user/Faelcind?sub_confirmation=1- Become a Patron: https://www.patreon.com/rafekelley============
This is my second interview with Professor John Vervaeke. We discuss deep ideas related to the self and ones interaction with the world. Professor Vervaeke is an Assistant Professor at the University of Toronto. He currently teaches courses in the Psychology department on thinking and reasoning with an emphasis on insight problem solving, cognitive development with an emphasis on the dynamical nature of development, and higher cognitive processes with an emphasis on intelligence, rationality, mindfulness, and the Psychology of wisdom. He also teaches courses in the Cognitive Science program on the introduction to Cognitive Science, and the Cognitive Science of consciousness. He has published articles on relevance realization, general intelligence, mindfulness, flow, metaphor, and wisdom. He is first author of the book Zombies in Western Culture: A 21st Century crisis which integrates Psychology and Cognitive Science to address the meaning crisis in Western society. He is the author and presenter of the YouTube series, Awakening from the Meaning Crisis.John's HomepageTwitter: @vervaeke_johnJohn's YouTube Channel--- Highlights —1:50 - Self-Deception And Finding Truth In Today's World.10:15 - The Increase of Domicile and What Can We Do About It.17:50 - Approaching Relationships After The Pandemic.24:24 - Keeping Old Relationships After Becoming Enlightened.30:09 - Being Enlightened Within An Unenlightened Society.35:05 - Is The Ego The Enemy?41:00 - Figuring Out Parts Of Ourselves And Engaging With Them.44:00 - The Price Of Living In A Risk-less World.50:00 - Social Media And Quick Fixes To Real Needs.55:14 - Wisdom Comes To You Or Do You Come To Wisdom.--- Support Me ---Thanks for tuning in for this edition of Through Conversations Podcast!If you find this episode interesting, don't miss out on new conversations and subscribe to the podcast at any podcast feed you use, and leave me a review.Consider sharing it with someone you think can enjoy this episode.--- Keep The Conversation Going ---Instagram:@thruconvpodcastTwitter: @ThruConvPodcastWebsite: throughconversations.com--- Credits ---Our New, Awesome Music by Joe Lyle. More info can be found at https://joelyledrums.comHosted, Produced by Alex Levy.
We live in times where information is rife but wisdom is in short supply, where ideologies abound but meaning is scarce, and the time for taking mediating actions on the abundant crises we face is limited. In this conversation with cognitive psychologist John Vervaeke we explore the symptomology of the meaning crisis, how we create meaning and lie to ourselves, the “religion of me”, the potential of wisdom practices and solving the meaning crisis. John Vervaeke, PhD is an award-winning lecturer at the University of Toronto in the departments of psychology, cognitive science and Buddhist psychology. He teaches courses in the Psychology department on thinking and reasoning, cognitive development, and higher cognitive processes. He also teaches a course in the Buddhism, Psychology and Mental Health program on Buddhism and Cognitive Science. He has a popular YouTube channel where he shares his insights and research on these topics. His abiding passion is to address the meaning crisis that besets western culture.
TCBI #22 - A Way Out of the Vicious Cycle - John Vervaeke
This Could Be Interesting
John Vervaeke PhD is a Cognitive Scientist and Cognitive Psychotherapist whose work focuses on meaning and the science of wisdom. He's an award-winning lecturer at the University of Toronto, with his classes ranging from psychology, cognitive science to Buddhist psychology. I discovered John and his work through my friend Connor during a time when we were both doing a lot of soul-searching and struggling with the ever-encroaching cloud of nihilism that is modern-day media. When we discovered John's work as well as the work of others in his "corner of the internet", our whole relationship to meaning, story, religion, and life changed. When John agreed to speak with me, I was ecstatic at the chance to finally throw some of the many ideas that had bubbled up inside me during his lectures at him. While there were many more topics I'd originally hoped to hit on, I decided it would be best for our first conversation to try to zero in on the thesis of this whole project and discuss the dynamic of connection with people, things, and life in the age of the internet. If you've been watching the channel for a bit you'll probably have picked up on my frustration with the atmosphere of modern media. I find social media and media in general acting as an attention-sucking soul-harvesting machine, but one that seems to be too integrated into our culture to simply unplug from and maintain the expected level of engagement with the world and culture around me. It feels like a sort of "damned if I do, damned if I don't" problem to me sometimes, and I often have trouble digging myself out of that thought cycle. John was extremely gracious in his listening to my complaining about existence, which I was deeply thankful for. While I appreciate that I can be a bit of a downer, I find that I am simply not satisfied with an answer to difficult questions unless the question has had an appropriate amount of time on the mic to make its case. I really appreciated John patience, and ultimately this ended up feeling more like a therapy session than a conversation at times (which is bound to happen sometimes when talking to a psychotherapist). I had really hoped to talk to John a bit more about Buddhism, Christianity, and Neo-platonism and the common threads between those traditions as well, but we ended up not having enough time to circle around to these topics. Fortunately, we've scheduled a follow up to this conversation, which will be out in several weeks, so be sure to subscribe and keep and eye out for that. Key Terms: Perennial -- Lasting or existing for a long or apparently infinite time; enduring or continually recurring Relevance Realization -- Becoming aware of the most meaningful way to participate or engage with one's environment Affording/Affordance -- the quality or property of an object that defines its possible uses or makes clear how it can or should be used Works Mentioned: The Science of Wisdom in a Polarized World: Knowns and Unknowns - https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/1047840X.2020.1750917?needAccess=true (Mentioned at 53:00) Arthur Aron: The Experimental Generation of Interpersonal Closeness: A Procedure and Some Preliminary Findings - https://psychodramaaustralia.edu.au/sites/default/files/falling_in_love-aron.pdf (Mentioned at 57:30) Paul Tyson - Returning to Reality: Christian Platonism for Our Times - https://www.amazon.ca/Returning-Reality-Christian-Platonism-Times/dp/1610979249 Videos: 1:00:50 My Conversation with J.P. video Concerning Catholicism and the Transcendent - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBvNK58WwQM&t=3615s 1:09:05 John Vervaeke's "Awakening from the Meaning Crisis" Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54l8_ewcOlY&list=PLND1JCRq8Vuh3f0P5qjrSdb5eC1ZfZwWJ Subscribe to the podcast Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/1ezktLCKtpdpPCvZHvFPvF iTunes https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/this-could-be-interesting/id1554166655 Google Podcasts https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkLnBvZGJlYW4uY29tL3RoaXNjb3VsZGJlaW50ZXJlc3Rpbmdwb2RjYXN0L2ZlZWQueG1s Podbean https://thiscouldbeinterestingpodcast.podbean.com/ John Vervaeke https://www.youtube.com/user/johnvervaeke/featured http://johnvervaeke.com/ https://www.facebook.com/VervaekeJohn/ Garrett Vandenberg https://www.garrettvandenberg.com/ https://www.facebook.com/garrettvandenbergmusic/ https://www.instagram.com/garrettvandenberg/ https://twitter.com/GarrettJVMusic/
Bernardo Kastrup and John Vervaeke [Round 2] Theolocution on Mind Upload, Shadow Integration, and Consciousness
Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal
YouTube: https://youtu.be/zw6BFDJ765w Bernardo Kastrup and John Vervaeke become closer and closer, in this theolocution.Sponsors: https://brilliant.org/TOE for 20% off. http://algo.com for supply chain AI. Patreon for conversations on Theories of Everything, Consciousness, Free Will, and God: https://patreon.com/curtjaimungalCrypto (anonymous): https://tinyurl.com/cryptoTOEPayPal: https://tinyurl.com/paypalTOETwitter: https://twitter.com/TOEwithCurtDiscord Invite: https://discord.com/invite/kBcnfNVwqsiTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/better-left-unsaid-with-curt-jaimungal/id1521758802Pandora: https://pdora.co/33b9lfPSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b92xAErofYQA7bU4eSubreddit r/TheoriesOfEverything: https://reddit.com/r/theoriesofeverything LINKS MENTIONED:John Vervaeke's YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/johnvervaekeBernardo Kastrup's YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/bernardokastrupWhat I've Learned on Cows #1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGG-A80Tl5gWhat I've Learned on Cows #2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdrhpThqlCo THANK YOU:Jaran, who helped with compiling notes. TIMESTAMPS:00:00:00 Introduction00:02:32 Summary of Round 100:10:29 Best counter to John's and Bernardo's position00:28:42 Vedanta, Brahma, and Lucid Dreaming00:40:45 Local vs global consciousness, and meta-consciousness00:43:40 Psychedelics and experiencing "mind at large"00:46:10 Whitehead and prehension00:51:40 John and Bernardo have moved closer (philosophically) to one another00:55:39 On Karl Friston's "inference"00:52:30 How to improve as an interviewer00:57:46 Transjectivity, and rejecting both the blank slate and romanticism01:02:42 Bernardo started out as an "objectivist"01:08:15 Mind Uploading is nonsense01:12:58 Joscha Bach knows nothing about consciousness01:24:12 There's no "simulation" of consciousness. Who's the illusion occurring to?01:29:56 Growth doesn't stop when you're 20. We need more than the propositional.01:36:03 "Idolatry of the nerds" and how "thinking" is just one function of the psyche.01:39:25 Respecting the elderly01:41:52 Having mode vs. the Being mode01:48:05 Love is a kind of knowing. On "agape"01:58:30 Love is a part of nature, but not the only part.02:05:54 How to integrate the Shadow02:10:57 The processes that make us adaptive, make us self deceptive.02:13:18 Internal family systems therapy02:21:08 Curt's personal confession02:28:12 We think we must "win" but we must surrender. Surrender to what you are.02:34:40 Trying not to try02:40:05 Personal stories of darkness, from John and Bernardo02:50:50 Self knowledge, self acceptance, and "participating" in this world02:54:34 Bernardo and John are the opposite of how they seem. John is more "woo" and Bernardo is anti-"woo"02:58:37 Bernardo's shadow03:01:35 We need to reintegrate humor in spirituality03:05:28 How to build the modern religion?03:33:44 Where you can find more about John and Bernardo03:39:36 BONUS [MrChocolateCookie] The paradox of trying not to try03:44:07 BONUS [Queerdo] Veganism and spiritual bypassing03:57:03 BONUS [David] What did you enjoy most about this conversation?03:59:33 BONUS John takes Curt through a breathing exercise04:01:28 BONUS The theolocution process is vehement but filled with love * * * Just wrapped (April 2021) a documentary called Better Left Unsaid http://betterleftunsaidfilm.com on the topic of "when does the left go too far?" Visit that site if you'd like to watch it.
John Vervaeke 2 – Redesigning Religion, Culture Hacking, and Saving Spirituality (#49)
The HighExistence Podcast
If you identify as spiritual but not religious, then this one is for you. In our second interview with John Vervaeke, he urges those who have been traversing the spiritual path on their own up until now to come together and join forces: “We need the best wisdom we can come up with. The chances that you’re going to get that on your own are very small.” — John Vervaeke, HEx Podcast #49 What forms as we come together is what John calls, ‘the religion that is not a religion’. If you extracted everything that was valuable from traditional religions and left behind what was constricting and harmful, this is what you would get. “We need to reach deeply into the roots of our traditions in order to grow up into the novelty of the sunlight, if we’re going to grow what we need here.” Why do we need something like this? And how do we begin to build it? Eric and John dive deep into these questions and surface with a stash of nuggets pointing the way to a world of wisdom. What We Cover: Why we need a religion that is not a religion The problems that arise from being ‘spiritual but not religious’ Why it’s not a religion Untangling the supernatural from the spiritual How to build up your own community Metapsychotechnologies for curating ecologies of practice Yoga’s 4 paths to Union as an example of pluralism Western traditions as equally viable paths to wisdom MUCH MORE… Please leave a review if you enjoy The HighExistence podcast.
John Vervaeke — The Meaning Crisis, Stealing the Culture, & Redesigning Religion (#48)
The HighExistence Podcast
“We need to have a deep dialogue between science and spirituality.” John Vervaeke, HEx Podcast #48 It’s easy to say that science and spirituality are being summoned to sit down together for a deep conversation — but much harder to actually make this happen without things devolving quickly. John Vervaeke has taken it upon himself to come in and, not only translate, but provide an entire vocabulary and grammar for both parties to use to allow for deeper understanding and more nuanced agreements. This is a mammoth task. For this reason, John has an entire 50 episode YouTube series called The Meaning Crisis exploring the past, present, and future of this dynamic between science and spirituality. It is one of the most significant series I’ve seen in a while. If you don’t have 50 hours to spare, fear not, for we have an exhaustive summary of it all for you right here. Originally posted on John’s Youtube channel under the title ‘Best Synoptic Overview of The Meaning Crisis & my Work’, this interview is an action-packed call to arms against the spiritual challenges we are facing today, featuring misunderstood vampires and re-spawning Hydra heads. By giving us a strong foundation to stand on and bringing spirituality back down to earth, John is creating a platform for this crucial merging to take place. “We can go from these being terms that are wrapped in mystique and obscurity to being a realizable continuum that we can start engaging in right now right here.” — John Vervaeke With the groundwork in place, please enjoy this deep dive into the meaning crisis, stealing the culture, and redesigning religion. WHAT WE COVER: An exhaustive summary of The Meaning Crisis John’s own personal meaning crisis and how meaning began to emerge in his life The deep mechanisms underlying downward spirals/addiction Perennial Problems: the eternal spiritual problems of man Jordan Peterson’s role in the reawakening Hamlet as an example of over-self-consciousness The pros and cons of the scientific mindset The 4 ways of knowing Psychotechnologies Strengths and weaknesses of Eastern and Western approaches Ecologies of practices: responses to the Perennial Problems An introduction to the Religion that is not a Religion Serious play as the bridge between two worlds MUCH MORE… Please leave a review if you enjoy The HighExistence podcast.
#182: Dr John Vervaeke - Awakening From The Meaning Crisis of 2021
Dr John Vervaeke ( @John Vervaeke ) is an award-winning lecturer at the University of Toronto in the departments of psychology, cognitive science and Buddhist psychology. John released a 50-part YouTube series entitled ‘’Awakening from the meaning crisis’’.Topics discussed:- What is the meaning crisis that we currently face?- What are the symptoms of the meaning crisis?- Are individual's higher on Maslow's pyramid more prone to meaning crises?- Links between secularism and a crisis of meaning- Joseph Campbell's work- How do we awaken from the meaning crisis?- Much moreLinks:https://www.youtube.com/c/FreedomPact (video interviews)https://freedompact.co.uk/newsletter (Healthy, Wealthy & Wise)https://instagram.com/freedompact https://www.youtube.com/johnvervaeke/ https://twitter.com/vervaeke_john
Embodying Virtue With John Vervaeke And Nick Winkelman | EMP Podcast 72
Evolve Move Play Podcast
There are times I am a bit shocked by the wonderful connections that I have been blessed to facilitate through my work and the EMP podcast. The friendship that’s formed between John and Nick is one of the strange and wonderful connections. If you have been following the podcast you’ll definitely be familiar with John Vervaeke Director of Cognitive Science at the University of Toronto, author of Zombies in Western Culture and creator of the YouTube series Awakening from the Meaning Crisis, who has become one of my primary mentors. Nick Winkelman is back for his second appearance and is another of my favorite thinkers, the Author of the Language of Coaching, Director of Science and Performance for Irish Rugby and former Director of Athlete Preparation for the NFL combine at Exos. I introduced Nick to John’s work during our first interview in May of last year. Since then Nick and John have formed a friendship and ongoing dialogue of their own— one that resonates deeply with the central themes of Evolve Move Play. Their second interview on John’s channel was the inspiration for this discussion, in particular a discussion they had around shamanism and its relationship to the cognitive science concept of enactedness and Nick’s work around analogies in motor learning. While that was the starting point, this conversation became a deep dive into the role of embodiment and physical practices in overcoming the meaning crisis, how we scaffold up more integrated selves and better sense making from our physical practices, and how we can bring the sense making conversation down into the body. I think you guys will get a ton out of this one!============Learn More about John VervaekeYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyre9Ij2nCg&ab_channel=JohnVervaekeTwitter: @vervaeke_johnLearn More about Nick WinkelmanIG: @nickwinkelmanTwitter: @NickWinkelman========================👍To support the podcast please like, share, subscribe and turn on the notifications by hitting the bell icon. 👤 VISIT US ONLINE- EMP Website: https://www.evolvemoveplay.com- EMP Shop: https://shop.evolvemoveplay.com- IG: @RafeKelly - http://www.instagram.com/rafekelley/ - FB: @RafeKelleyMovement - https://www.facebook.com/RafeKelleyMovement/- Twitter: @rafekelley - https://twitter.com/rafekelley- YT Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/user/Faelcind?sub_confirmation=1- Become a Patron: https://www.patreon.com/rafekelley============
#294 - John Vervaeke - Creating A Life Of Meaning & Wisdom
John Vervaeke is an Associate Professor at the University Of Toronto. There is a meaning crisis upon us. People are revisiting Stoicism and Buddhism and mindfulness and psychedelics in an attempt to understand themselves and connect with the world around them. John joins me today to try and give us a route out of this trench. Expect to learn the different types of learning, how John would construct a person who is ready to become wise and find meaning, the daily practises that John uses to continue to grow every day, what the relation is between being too cerebral and lacking wisdom and much more... Sponsors: Get 20% discount on all pillows at https://thehybridpillow.com (use code: MW20) Extra Stuff: Check out John's YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/johnvervaeke/ Follow John on Twitter - https://twitter.com/vervaeke_john Get my free Ultimate Life Hacks List to 10x your daily productivity → https://chriswillx.com/lifehacks/ To support me on Patreon (thank you): https://www.patreon.com/modernwisdom - Get in touch. Join the discussion with me and other like minded listeners in the episode comments on the MW YouTube Channel or message me... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/ModernWisdomPodcast Email: https://www.chriswillx.com/contact