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38 of The Best Podcast Episodes for Jonathan Davis. A collection of podcasts episodes with or about Jonathan Davis, often where they are interviewed.

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38 of The Best Podcast Episodes for Jonathan Davis. A collection of podcasts episodes with or about Jonathan Davis, often where they are interviewed.

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Nov. 25: Iain MacMillan, Flames Roundtable and Jonathan Davis

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Odds Shark’s Iain MacMillan gives his best bets for Week 12 in the NFL. Adnan Virk weighs in on everything happening in the sports world! The Daily Flames Roundtable discuss Bill Peters’ coaching tenure and Geoff Ward. Jonathan Davis shares his thoughts on the NHL and Pacific Division storylines.

Nov 26 2020 · 3hr 58mins
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Oct. 28: World Series, Matt Stajan, Flames and Jonathan Davis

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Sportsnet’s Arash Madani provides insight into the Dodgers’ World Series victory, Clayton Kershaw, and Justin Turner. The boys weigh in on the crazy Game 6 of the World Series and Kevin Cash’s decision to pull Blake Snell. Former Flame Matt Stajan discusses the Flames’ offseason and their core group. The Daily Flames Roundtable give their […]
Oct 28 2020 · 3hr 20mins

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Watch Your Lips - Episode 008 ft. Jonathan Davis

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Toronto Blue Jays outfielder Jonathan Davis joins the podcast and we discuss:
• The Blue Jays current playoff push and young stars
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Sep 24 2020 · 39mins
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Flat Earth Society with Jonathan Davis! - Throwback 147 - Episode 348 -

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Jason Kupzyk & Josh Heard of The Ectoplasm Show Interview Jonathan Davis head of The Flat Earth Society on this Throwback Episode #147.

(PLEASE EXCUSE THE IDIOT NAMED POTTER!, There is a reason we only had her on the show for a couple episodes!)

Do you believe in the possibility that the earth could be flat? We asked the questions that our listeners wanted to ask as well as several others. 

Conclusion? It's Possible. 

Sep 23 2020 · 1hr 2mins

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Episode 220: Black Labyrinth by Jonathan Davis

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It is the end of Side Project Summer this week on Roach Koach as we end it with the man many would say is The Guy who started it all, Jonathan Davis, and his solo album Black Labyrinth. We talk collaboration, JD’s dedication to moving your hips, the mantra to “Walk on by”, making “Goblet Music”, and deciding if this album is Ego or Essential. We also discuss our feelings on Side Project Summer over all and yes, Wes Borland following us on Instagram.

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-Deftones are back!

-The Roach Koach Open Door Policy

-Andrew Wolf’s Roachamendations

Rate and review Roach Koach on iTunes! We’d appreciate it! Questions about the show? Have album recommendations? Just want to say hi? We’d love to hear from you! Contact the show @RoachKoach on Twitter, Roach Koach on Facebook , Roach Koach on Instagram, or send an email to RoachKoachPodcast at Gmail.

Sep 02 2020 · 2hr 27mins
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Aug. 19: Reaction to the Flames’ Game 5 loss, Eric Engels and Jonathan Davis

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Pat Steinberg, Peter Klein, and Will Nault share their thoughts on the Flames’ Game 5 loss and if Calgary’s core group could be changed if they lose in the first round. The Daily Flames Roundtable give their take on Calgary’s lineup for Game 5 and the Stars. Jonathan Davis touches on the Coyotes offseason, Canucks, […]
Aug 19 2020 · 2hr 51mins
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How To Choose The Best Real Estate Professional To Sell Your Matrimonial Home with Jonathan Davis

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In this episode, I chat with real estate agent, Jonathan Davis, about how to find the best professional to sell your matrimonial home.  During times of separation and divorce, stress levels are high and it is important to work with the right professionals.  Jon discusses the questions you should be asking a prospective agent and how to find the best agent that fits with you.

 To contact Jon, you can email him at: info@jonathandavishomes.com

Jul 16 2020 · 38mins
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Jonathan Davis: Being Biracial, Life After High School, and Not Going to College

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A not-so-serious-guide to biracialness and finding your path post-high school 

In this episode, I sit down with Jonathan Davis aka an old friend from high school. He is a dancer who graduated HS class of 2017. He too did not pursue the college career path and found himself wondering what his path was going to look like. We also talk a lot about what it feels to be biracial in America, specifically mixed with black during today's current situations. A warm-hearted chat that I know you'll enjoy for sure. Be sure to rate and review the podcast! I'm watching you!  xoxo- Jada Jones

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May 23 2020 · 1hr 11mins
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Jonathan Davis | Discovering Church Planters from Within

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For this week’s episode, we will be talking with Jonathan Davis the pastor of Pillar Church of Jacksonville, NC. Jonathan talks with Clint about how he grew in his faith and was drawn into a church planting ministry that now has spanned 15 years and 5 new churches. Clint and Jonathan talk about friendship, ministry, and discovering new church planters from our congregation. If you would like to know more about Jonathan Davis you can follow the link below.

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ALBERT: This is the Church Planting Podcast. Thank you for tuning in!

ALBERT: Every week we sit down with leaders who are shaping church planting efforts.

ALBERT: Here’s your host Josh Turansky and Clint Clifton.

JOSH TURANSKY: Hey welcome to the Church Planting Podcast! My name is Josh Turansky and I’ve got Clint Clifton on the line with me. We’re going to introduce to you this episode of the church planting podcast. We’re in our 8th week of COVID19, the Corona virus. This is got to be like a special series Clint. Like the Corona virus episodes. 

CLINT CLIFTON: I know man. I wonder later if we’re going to look back on this season and say like, “Oh you remember when Corona virus happened?” Like kind of we’re looking back on Y2K or whatever. I’m just not sure if it’s going to be either that or this bleep on the map or it’s going to be life before Corona, life after Corona.

JOSH TURANSKY: Right. Yeah, man. I don’t know. Who knows? Such a surreal experience. It is so so wild! And pastoring in this time too is just bizarre.

CLINT CLIFTON: Yeah, it’s creating unique ministry experiences that we’ve never had. Josh you were just telling me about one.

JOSH TURANSKY: Yeah, totally! I’ve got older people in my church that can’t figure out how to give online but they’re like older seasoned saints that they have like the discipline of putting aside cash to take out of tithes and offerings on Sunday. And so, two different ladies that live almost on the same block kind of like in the hood of Baltimore are like you know, they both have compromised immune systems, one had pneumonia in the last like 6 months, the other’s had chemo and they’re like, “I need to talk tithe! You need to come and pick up my tithes.” So, this afternoon I hopped into my car, drove up into the hood, jumped out of my car, under the doormat was an envelope with cash in it, jumped back in my car I was just like, “This is so weird.” And then two guys in a pick up truck pulled up next to me. I had my window down. I didn’t make eye contact but they’re like blasting their music and I can hear the one guy say to the other guy, “Yeah, he’s probably here for crack.” It’s just not a neighborhood where they normally see like a white guy rolling around.

CLINT CLIFTON: That’s hilarious Josh. Yeah, and grabbing an envelope full of cash doesn’t really help your life.

JOSH TURANSKY: No. No. I was like, “Please don’t take my van right now.”

CLINT CLIFTON: Yeah. You’re on some surveillance footage of some unmarked van in the neighborhood.

JOSH TURANSKY: Exactly. Exactly. Well in this episode we’re going to listen to an interview that you’ve done with Jonathan Davis. And I think we could probable put this under the category of multiplication but also just guys who are getting ready to plant and having the right mindset going into planting are really going to benefit from this interview as well. Tell us a little bit about Jonathan.

CLINT CLIFTON: Yeah, well I think you know, when some church planters as me, “What’s the most important piece of church planting advice you could have?” I often say that, “There’s one way to ensure that you won’t fail as a church planter and that’s to refuse to give up.” Church planting is hard. We’ll say it’s hard and dudes who are about to go into church planting will listen to that and be like, “Yeah, it’s going to be hard.” and then they get out there and start to do it and they’re like, “Man, this is really hard.” You know, it’s like they want to quit at that point but those who don’t quit and keep going, even if they’re not particularly like really wildly gifted or you know, they don’t have some kind of like x-factor that makes them really really fruitful off the bat, guys that just put one foot in front of the other everyday are humble and learners and keep growing and don’t give up and they have a hunger for the ministry and the work like aspiration like Timothy describes, those are the guys that I see making it long term and being fruitful in the long run. And Jonathan’s one of those guys to me. This is a guy that’s a member of my church when I first planted a church. So, you know, imagine 24-year-old me planting a church in elementary school and this guy was one of the attenders and God grew him. And we saw him you know, just really blossom in his faith and then started leading others. And then started having an aspiration to go out and lead others in other places, and do missionary and ministry work, and plant a church and he’s just been serving the Lord for like 15 years now. And it’s been so cool to watch him grow and turn into an excellent pastor himself and so I’m excited for you guys to meet him and here from him a little bit.

JOSH TURANSKY: Yeah man! This is going to be a great interview. Before we jump in, let’s hear a word from our sponsors and then we will listen to your interview Clint with Jonathan Davis.

CLINT CLIFTON: So, you want to lead your church to multiply. But in order to do that you have to raise up new potential leaders from inside your congregation. But how in the world are you supposed to do that with all the other plates you have spinning? Well, the North American Mission Board has created a tool to help you equip the saints for the work of the ministry. It’s called the multiplication pipeline. And it helps you identify and train missional leaders, potential church planters, and potential church planting team members from right there inside your own congregation. The pipeline starts with a simple assessment tool in a three-year online training system follows to equip missional leaders. Learn more about the multiplication pipeline by visiting their website namb.net/pipeline. That’s namb.net/pipeline

CLINT CLIFTON: Alright! Well we’re hear with the Davis family. Jonathan Davis and his wife Jennifer. And we’ve got my wife Jennifer also here. And I wanted to have this conversation with the Davis family because these guys are some of our oldest companions in ministry, right Jennifer?


CLINT CLIFTON: And we love these guys. They’ve been serving the Lord for a long time. And so, let’s give, Jonathan, the listener a little background on us. How did we first meet? Just kind of how this relationship began?

JONATHAN DAVIS: Okay. Jennifer and I moved to Northern Virginia looking for a church and just happened to go to Stafford Baptist church where you were serving as minister of music.

CLINT CLIFTON: There we go! If you didn’t know that, that I was once a minister of music. Now you know.

JONATHAN DAVIS: Now you know. Yeah, before you were the world the class church planter that you are now. You were the world class minister of music. No, I’ll say that your church planting prowess is better than your music prowess. 

CLINT CLIFTON: Amen! That hurts. That cuts deep.

JONATHAN DAVIS: And so, you got upfront and talked to the church of, “Hey, we’re going to plant a church close to Woodbridge outside the gates of Coniclea.” And we lived in that area and so you were like, man, whoever wants to, come with you. Even though Jennifer and I have never even heard of church planting let alone what that meant but we were curious about a church that’s coming to that area. And so, I remember going up front and talking to you and going, “Hey! We’re kind of interested. What’s that look like?” And that spurned from there.

CLINT CLIFTON: And Jennifer why don’t you describe kind of where you guys were at spiritually or where Johnathan was spiritually at that time?

JENNIFER DAVIS: We had gone to a church in North Carolina and when we moved to Northern Virginia it took us a while. We tried a lot of different churches and it took us a while. And we had 3 boys at that time, and I took the boys to church and Jonathan worked a lot of Sundays. 

CLINT CLIFTON: I found other excuses not to be at church.

JENNIFER DAVIS: That’s a great way to put it. Yes!

CLINT CLIFTON: So, he wasn’t the spiritual giant that he is today?

JENNIFER DAVIS: Nay! Nay! Not so much.

CLINT CLIFTON: Yeah. I remember one particular Sunday where he was on the baseball field where we were having Sunday service and there were times were, he was finding out the things to do. But you guys decided to join the church planting team anyways. So, what was your primary motivation for doing that you think?

JONATHAN DAVIS: I think proximity to where we lived in general and we were developing an affinity and getting to know you guys pretty well. And just the newness of doing something different and I’ve grown up in church and obviously wasn’t doing super great in leading my family through in spiritual things. So, even though I’ve grown up in the church and so, I felt like it was a good change of pace for us to develop some new spiritual vigor I guess would be a good word. And man, little did I know that the Lord had lots of good that would come from that.

CLINT CLIFTON: Yeah, that one decision I mean looking back, there’s a lot for both of our lives of trajectory change for you guys and what the future would look like. It was also really impactful for us to have you guys became some of our closest friends in that process. I mean really! I just think about the people that were on that church planting team and I mean so many of those people even today are like some of our dearest friends. And so, there’s nothing better than planting churches with your friends and no better context to become close friends with somebody than the difficulties of church planting. But Jennifer and Jennifer, you guys particularly became good friends at that time and to this day remain close friends. So, what did it mean to have maybe for you, Jennifer Clifton, to have a really good friend in the core team in the church for you?

JENNIFER CLIFTON: Well I had somebody who I knew I could always ask for help and I could always say, “Hey! Clint’s thrown this thing on me after last May, can you help me?” And we knew our kids would play and we could work and get whatever needed to be done.

CLINT CLIFTON: Yeah. Yeah. I mean we got advice along the way about being careful about how close we’d become to people in the church. Like in hindsight what would you say about that advice? Would you pass that along or how would you think about that?

JENNIFER CLIFTON: I probably wouldn’t pass it along as it was given to us. Where it’s like you can’t have any close friends in your church because I think when you act that way you don’t ever get real with people like Jennifer and Jonathan know the good and the bad and the ugly about Clint and Jennifer.

CLINT CLIFTON: There’s nothing ugly in our relationship.

JENNIFER CLIFTON: Well, okay. But when you’re really somebody like I can talk to you about, “Oh my gosh! The kids or Clint, you were so frustrating today.” And like I can tell her those things and she can help me walk through that or she goes, “Yeah, they were wrong about that.” Or “How can you react to that in a positive way?”

CLINT CLIFTON: So, in some ways she was ministering to you as we were trying to minister to them. Yeah, and that’s the way church planting is! A lot of times it’s just like us trying to do our best to love the Lord and plant a church but it’s difficult. And so, I think it was super meaningful to have close friendships and we did completely disregard the advice not to make close friends.

JENNIFER CLIFTON: Yeah. We did everything together. Like we’ve got a house near them, they’d be at work.

CLINT CLIFTON: We did not just build a house near them; we built a house on their land.

JENNIFER CLIFTON: Oh yeah! We bought their land! But they would be at work and let us go to their house so I could put the kids down for a nap while you were working on the house being built.

CLINT CLIFTON: One of the things I remember about the early part of our relationship was that as you were growing into your faith and you were becoming impassioned for the ministry, you started really being generous with us. Like I remember you giving me a car at one point, and I don’t know if you gave it to me or I assumed it. I’m not sure how that worked.  

JONATHAN DAVIS: Well actually, we gave you an SUV. First vehicle we gave you was a minivan. I remember that one of the Warner brothers van. And then let’s see, I had a little white Mazda. I gave you the white Mazda.

CLINT CLIFTON: So, in a lot of ways you were just kind of looking after us. You had a job, and we were struggling to makes ends meet. And you know, you were definitely doing everything you could even though you guys weren’t by any means like affluent. You were doing everything you could possibly do to help us keep going and that was meaningful to us. Yeah. So, just thinking about looking back on that time period of your life and kind of where you went from sort of you know, definitely a Christian but spiritually apathetic kind of more interested in other things. What happened to your family in that process of really pouring in the mission of church plant?

JONATHAN DAVIS: Yeah, I think for us we developed this really deepened relationship with the Lord. And just kind of discovered a lot about each other – Jennifer and I. And yes, so that was good. And then we were just growing in that way. And then as our family was growing and Cody becoming baptized, he was our oldest, he was 6, and in the church. So, that was pretty awesome. Our kids were just growing up in this atmosphere of church planting and learning and just doing everything that we were doing knocking on doors and it was really cool! Yeah.

JENNIFER DAVIS: What I remember is that we would go eat every week together. We’d go do outreach and we would go eat.

JONATHAN DAVIS: We were broke as a joke! I don’t where we were going to eat.

JENNIFER DAVIS: Yes. We did! We ate at Camille’s every week with some friends and we’d eat. And I can remember I could ask Clint any question. Like Bible question whatever and he’d answer even if it was kind of ridiculous.

JENNIFER CLIFTON: Like, what do you do all day?

JENNIFER DAVIS: I’ll say I remember saying one time. “What the heck do you do all day? Like all you do is preach on Sunday. What do you do all day?” And I’ll be like “What are you waiting for?” 

JONATHAN DAVIS: Yeah, the core team was doing all the work. What was Clint doing all day?

JENNIFER DAVIS: However now he’s changed over the years.

CLINT CLIFTON: Yeah, that’s what you get for asking me a question like that. You get to find out first hand what you do all day. So yeah, out of that I saw you know, dramatic changes in your family and you guys’ relationship. I remember you guys’ relationship becoming increasingly healthy as your spiritual life grew you started to have an aspiration for ministry. And that started to manifest in your oldest son Cody too and he started aspiration for ministry. And then as we sit here today, he’s just finished up he’s undergraduate work at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary.

JONATHAN DAVIS: Yeah! Just graduated, just got married, and super proud of him. He’s heading into church planting. That’s the direction he’s going and he’s getting his masters right now. It’s just really cool.

CLINT CLIFTON: Yeah. It is really cool. And I think looking back at that him growing up in an environment where his family, he was watching he’s mom and dad be changed by the Gospel and he was actively engaged in the mission of the church was you know, had tons of effect on what he ended up doing. I think he would point to that for sure.

JONATHAN DAVIS: Yeah. What a privilege it has been to see the Lord kind of work through those things even I’m sure we’d get to my calling into this idea of ministry. I mean Cody looks back at the church we planted a while back and like with affection and love and admiration for what we were doing even though it was really hard work. Yeah! I didn’t know what we were doing but Cody was all in. I think all of our kids were all in but they were just learning so much. They were thriving and getting as much as we were. And so, it was just a huge privilege.

CLINT CLIFTON: Yeah that’s how I remember it to. And so, it wasn’t long in the church planting work in our church, you became one of the founding elders in our church and then our church was you know, had an aggressive stance towards multiplication and church planting. We were trying to plant churches before we were even close to ready to plant churches. But you were one of the first guys in the church that sort of said, “Here I am. Send me! I’m ready to go.” And what do you remember about that?

JONATHAN DAVIS: It’s not what I remember so much about that, it’s what I remember since then - this is, “What I was thinking?”  Yeah. I do remember we were going to a birthday party. Can you describe that Jen? You’ve got such a good memory.

JENNIFER DAVIS: Oh. Wow! Are two families were going to a birthday party together, and we stopped at a gas station and Jennifer Clifton comes running to the car and says, “We’re trading places.” So, we put Jennifer and Jennifer in a car together, and Clint and Jonathan on the other.

JENNIFER CLIFTON: Which is never a good idea!

JENNIFER DAVIS: No! We’ve learned. Oh y’all!

CLINT CLIFTON: Either it cost a lot or money or we start a church.

JONATHAN DAVIS: Yeah. We were either buying land and houses or we were starting churches.

JENNIFER CLIFTON: They switched cars and by the time we get to the party Jonathan’s like, “I think I’m going to be a church planter.” I was like, “No, you’re not! What did you all do? Why are we changing vehicles?  No!”

JONATHAN DAVIS: True story! Yeah, and from that conversation, I do remember that conversation, and I remember because it was a solidifying moment for me that somebody recognized, “Hey! We’re doing good work. Like you have some gifts that would lead towards church planting and you should consider it. Even though you have a full-time job, you’re making decent money, you got a company car, like things are really good for you but you should consider stepping away from all that and going into church planting. And for anybody who’s doing that, it seems really ridiculous that you would do that. However, if the Lord’s calling you to that work you can’t stop it.

CLINT CLIFTON: Yeah. I think this is an important point because I think one of the things that we’re missing in churches right now is pastors being willing to look to minister in their congregation and say, “I see these gifts in you and I don’t know if God’s calling you or not but if He is calling you, I as your pastor am eager to help you become successful at that and be fruitful at that.” I’ve just seen over and over just like somebody said that to me years ago that compelled me into ministry something like that to me. As I’ve said that to guys some of them said, “No thanks!” and others like you have said, “Yeah! That matches with what I’ve been feeling inside but I haven’t had the boldness to kind of express that out loud. And so, since then, just kind of walk us through. It’s been kind of a long journey but you were working for Coca-Cola at the time. Yeah.

JONATHAN DAVIS: Yeah. I was working for Coca-Cola at that time. Got to a place where I was able to raise enough money to step away from that. August of 2010 (?). Yeah and I went out and I started a church out in the Western side of Fredericksburg Virginia a little place called Locust Grove. And planted a church there and did that work for 5 years. We shut that down after a little bit of time and merged with another church closer to Fredericksburg. Most of our people are coming from Fredericksburg and so, we kind of shut that down and merged with another church. And yeah, since that time the Lord’s just done amazing work and yeah, learned a ton! Like really honed my skills if you can call them skills and preaching and leading and pastoring and shepherding. And so, I mean yeah, definitely thrown into the fire it felt like but in a good way. 

CLINT CLIFTON: Yeah. So much in there. Let’s just unpack that just a little bit because of a few things like, you weren’t really equipped for that work because I didn’t properly equip you. I mean I tried but I didn’t know what I was doing either you know, in some measure. But I look back at that situation and I don’t regret one thing about it. Now I know you went through a lot of difficulties. You guys went through a lot of difficulties as a family, it had financial implications for you and all that stuff. But you were in large measure where you are today because of the reps you got and the experience you got trying to minster in your own community there. And so, you went out and started a church in your own community. The church grew and got to a point where it looked like it was really going to happen and it sustained for several years and it was your full-time employment, am I right? Yeah, it was your full-time employment and then there was you know the church had you know, an unfortunate series of circumstances will say. It didn’t have anything to do with you or your character that led to the church’s demise. And then the ultimately the church merged with another church we started. Though another church in our network. And so, it was kind of you know, it was definitely difficult but man, the experiences you got during that period of time and ultimately the work you know, I don’t feel was a lost.   

JONATHAN DAVIS: I don’t feel that way either. We joke sometimes and say, “We learned more from that experience about what not to do in church planting as much as we have learned what to do in church planting.” And I think that’s important. Like having an idea of, “Hey! What don’t we need to do the next time we go into this thing of appointing leadership and things of that nature that don’t need to be appointed?” And make sure high character people are serving in certain areas and yeah, just importance in membership. It’s just some of those things we hold dear. But yeah, definitely for me, the learning curve was huge but it was also like I could have never gotten that curve by going to a seminary. I wouldn’t have grown in ways that I could grow by not going out and doing that church planting. So, I have zero regrets about doing that work going out when I did. And look back on it and say, “Man, we should have done a lot of things differently.” Or even a few things differently. Probably would have sustained itself or have a little bit more idea but again I have no regrets.

CLINT CLIFTON: Yeah, that’s good. I think that was critical period that Cody got to watch you do that work. We’ll sort of talk about church planting phase 2 for you and your family. But in that situation, you know, you went out and started a church and the church ultimately ended up merging. So, in some ways it could be seen as you or by others as a failure. But I didn’t see it that way. I don’t think you saw it that way because of the learning experience that came from it and also, I just remembered this one moment that stands out to me. I don’t if I’ve ever told you this but I was at a denominational event and somebody said, “Oh! I heard Jonathan’s church failed.” And I got so mad. I got mad. And I spouted off the guy and I said, “I’ll tell you what. You can call the work that Jonathan did a failure when you have a member of your church who goes out and for 5 years every single week ministers to, evangelizes and reaches his neighborhood and then stops doing it.” I mean from a church perspective; the church didn’t make it in 5 years granted but there was nothing about that that was a failure from my point of view. And especially now, looking back seeing at how fruitful you guys are in ministry right now and what a key you know, pivotal time that was for you. I don’t see that as a failure at all. I think at the time, I’m not really sure at the time if you felt like I was disappointed in you. Did you feel that way?

JONATHAN DAVIS: I don’t know. I think I wasn’t concerned so much about wrong, right or indifferent about what you guys thought about the work that was happening in Locust Grove you know, with the church that we had there. I did care about your input. I was more disappointed in myself for feeling a little bit of a failure because I’m pretty competitive. I don’t like to lose. So, that mentality has kind of helped me in some ways but at the same time I didn’t like the fact that we became a statistic. Yeah and so, I think that’s the part where the denominational think, they look at it as statistics and you failed. Like, “Your church is not there anymore.” and “There is no church out there in Locust Grove that was sustainable and still there.” Even though we did merge. So, I think that part was more frustrating than anything and just the sense of little bit in myself of not being able to make it. But again, hindsight it’s 2020 and I look back at it now from the standpoint that I’m at right now and go, “Yes the Lord had me there for a certain amount of time and in that time just learning so much.” Like, I am not the guy that started church in 2009 or 10 like the guy that I am today in 2020, you know?

CLINT CLIFTON: You did some good work though too. I just remember you very creatively started a coffee shop, brick and mortar coffee shop and ran it for a year. And lots of outreach out there connected with people. I mean so yeah it was in its own right, it was good ministry and then not to mention the amount of experience you got from that. But let’s go on beyond that because you took that on the chin so to speak. You went back into the secular work force. So why did you go back and do after that?

JONATHAN DAVIS: I worked at a pest control company, ended up going back to Coca-Cola eventually.

CLINT CLIFTON: And then you and your family jumped in to another church plant not as a vocational worker, not as the lead guy but jumped in immediately into another church plant situation and started helping . And then again into even another church plant situation all inside of our family churches. So, you never left the family of churches. And then there was a need in another church plant in another state and you transitioned there. So, tell us about what you did with Pillar?

JONATHAN DAVIS: So, I’ve had the opportunity to institutionalize with 5 Pillar church plant or church plants in the family so to speak. And so, that part’s been really fun. See each one in different stages and to be a part of that and so, yeah just really cool. And so, one of the churches that was really different was you know, the church near university there in Fredericksburg. And so, got to work with a young church planter there, Bobby Oliver and man, that was really great to see. He has some gifts that are really cool that I didn’t have. So, watching him work and so I was able to do that. But eventually what happened was Jennifer and I are from Eastern North Carolina and we happened to have a church plant here in Jacksonville North Carolina outside the gates of Camp Lejeune. 

CLINT CLIFTON: A church that Pillar had started.

JONATHAN DAVIS: Yeah. One of the guys that had been raised up into much like me similarly. He was a military guy though but was called to ministry in Pillar church in Humphreys. It was just you know, left to walk away from the marine corps and came to Jacksonville and finished out he’s career here and started a church plant. And so that church plant was probably, when we got here, about 3 years old. And so, we moved down here. We got you know, sort of everything in Virginia and moved down to North Carolina and little closer to home and yeah have since built a house. I came here with no intentions of being in full-time ministry. We just wanted to help the church and be part of the church and wasn’t coming here even as an elder. You know, I told Bryan O’Day who was the founding pastor of Pillar Jacksonville and I said, “Hey man, we’re coming. No expectations, no nothing. We’re just going to serve and work hard.” And I think he really appreciated that he didn’t have to feel the ownness of having to trying to have to pay me back. So, we got jobs. Jennifer is a school teacher and I was able to get on with Coke pretty quickly. And so, just back to work and then doing our thing and we just came and serve. And that was it.

CLINT CLIFTON: And then you eventually became an elder in the church.

JONATHAN DAVIS: Yeah. Eventually became an elder.

CLINT CLIFTON: How long were you here? About a year maybe before you became an elder? 18 months?

JONATHAN DAVIS: Probably about 3 months. They needed some leadership. The church was 3 years old and had also turned over 100% of it’s members in twice already in 3 years. And so, it’s truly a marine corps church of 80-20 here in Jacksonville. 80% of the people that live here are military so 80% of your church is going to be military and so, it turns a pretty high rate. And a few years later, just this past year 2019, the church had the opportunity and needed a new pastor and called me to be able to do that. So, Brian stepped into a new role in ministry and still with the church beautifully serving as an elder still. And they called me into ministry and then immediately gave me 3 months Sabbatical. So that was pretty beautiful man! That was awesome. 

CLINT CLIFTON: You deserve that after 15 years of beating your head against the wall. So, the transition back into ministry. So, you came here, got into secular workforce and started doing good in your job. You actually got promotions and you got another job with another company. You we’re doing great there. Things where stable. I mean having left the secular workforce to go into ministry one time and then having to go back to secular workforce this 2nd opportunity to go back into ministry. Was there any apprehension there?

JONATHAN DAVIS: Oh yeah! Yeah, there was.

CLINT CLIFTON: Understatement?

JONATHAN DAVIS: Well for one, you are right. I had a really good job. Like it was probably one of the better jobs that I’ve had as far as family. Like, I mean I was going to work 6 am and I was off by noon to 1 every day. I mean it was a pretty good job. I was working 5 to 6 and making more money than I’d ever made. And so, I had to pray about it. Like I had to actually like seek the Lord, pray through it and make a decision. But man, I’ll be honest, I love shepherding and pastoring even though I was doing that as an elder like an opportunity to do it full-time. You know, honestly there’s that fear of failure that’s still there but you can’t make decisions like that based on fear of failure. Calling is a big deal and I felt like the Lord was really calling me.

CLINT CLIFTON: I love your guys’ story so much because it just highlights something that’s completely true about church planting that the church planters that are fruitful and successful long term are successful and fruitful long term for one of 2 reasons in my point of view. Either they have unusual gifting. They’re like unusually charismatic or unusually good preachers or they have something.

JONATHAN DAVIS: Which is not me.

CLINT CLIFTON: Yeah. It’s not me either and so, you’re right. My observation about you, it’s not you either. You’re the guy that’s going to get up and hit a single or a double on your time, and not just in your preaching but just kind of in everything you do. Like, you’re good, you’re solid, you’re consistent and that has in your faithfulness, what has come over and over again and make you the person that people are saying, “Hey! We want you to serve in this way.” And you keep getting opportunities to be a little bit. And I think that’s beautiful because that’s what’s going to make the biggest difference in ministry. Sometimes when people ask me you know, about what makes somebody successful I always point to the fact that what makes somebody successful is their tenacity. I mean are they just going to stick in there? Are they going to quit, give up when it gets hard? And you not only stuck in there but you stuck in there through everything the church needed. When the church needed you to be vocational, you’re vocational. When they needed you to have another full-time job and not take any leaves from church you did that. And so, it’s just been so cool to see you guys serve in that way and see what the Lord had done to your family. And I think it’s just the beginning of the story too thinking about how the ministry is going to happen in the future.

JONATHAN DAVIS: Yeah. I certainly hope so. And Jennifer has been a big part of that. And she’s really smart. She’s the brains behind the brawn. 

CLINT CLIFTON: Well Jennifer specifically you here, I feel like the Locust Grove experience, you were like a deer in the headlights essentially. Like you were playing along but you were not engaged in ministry yourself. But here, that’s not the case, right? Like what’s it like here?

JENNIFER DAVIS: Yeah, like I would describe it as that so our kids were in their teens so it was a little bit harder having to do mom and the ministry side of things. So, I didn’t really engage as much here. I’ve helped lead stuff. I lead a bible study, a disciple group right now. More engaged, more imbibed in things that are going on. Good relationships with families, good relationships with ladies. A lot more involved and I enjoy it not because I have to but because I want to like it’s a good thing. It’s grown me through relationships and learning through that. So, other people has grown me as well

JONATHAN DAVIS: And also, our kids are a little older now. So, you know you’ve got 2 in College and then 2 younger daughters but you know, they can handle themselves a little bit. So, we have a little bit more freedom and now she’s able to be freed up to do that. She’s been spending a lot of time raising our kids and doing that. She’s just also working a full-time job.

CLINT CLIFTON: So, she’s able to give more attention to the ministry. Also, one of the things about both the Jennifers that’s been fun to watch is how over time they’ve embraced the idea of helping assimilate and helping new church planting wives and our network feel loved, comfortable, accepted, helped.

JONATHAN DAVIS: Yeah. I think they’ve done a really good job of removing the expectations of church planter wives or pastor wives in general. Like they’re fun loving, they have a good time, they’re not the staunch like you know? And not like all pastors’ wives are like that but they’re not also asked to do like you know, everything in the church. They serve in a great way in their gifts but they’re not the prototypical like church pastor wives that you would think about. They just serve really well in that way.

CLINT CLIFTON: If you guys were given advice to church planters who are listening about the expectation that they put on their wives, what would you say?

JENNIFER CLIFTON: Say that again?

CLINT CLIFTON: So, church planters are listening to this podcast. These are dudes and they are no doubt putting expectations on their wives that are probably not fair and probably difficult for their wives to embrace. So, what do you say to the church planter about the expectations his putting on his wife?

JENNIFER CLIFTON: Stop it. Putting those expectations on your wife is not loving her well. You’re not setting her up for success. You’re not putting her in her sweet spot. Yes, Jennifer and I both did things in ministry that we filled in a spot because there wasn’t someone to fill that role yet but we knew someone’s going to come and fill that role. We’re doing it temporarily. And we’re going to be training our replacement. Like there are some like we know are giftings and we know what’s not our giftings. But if we have to fill in for a little bit that’s fine. We’re going to find a replacement. We’re going to train them to do it. But if the planter is pressuring his wife, you are not loving her well, you’re not serving her well, and you’re not setting her up for success in ministry. Which is going to cause problems not only between the planter and his wife, but it’s going to cause problems in your ministry all together because it may result in her saying that, “Done. I’m done.” 

CLINT CLIFTON: We’ve had some church planter wives, not in our network exactly, but we definitely encountered some that have checked out.

JENNIFER DAVIS: The husband got to be willing when he’s at home not to always have his pastor hat on like, “We served joyfully even when we’re frustrated.” And we served joyfully but when we’re home sometimes the husbands going to hear some of our frustration and he’s got to be willing to take that on. But especially if you’ve been pressured. Like that pressure is just going to create more frustration and you’re going to be the one who hears it because we’re not going to say it to other people. And so, you’ve got to be willing to take that and not just be pastor. You are still a spouse. Like you’re a husband and you’ve got to do that. Wife too. Same way. Both sides of it.

CLINT CLIFTON: How did I do at putting expectations on you when I was still a church planter?

JENNIFER DAVIS: Scale of 1-10? 1 being dog poop and 10 being the best? Just kidding. That’s a joke from a game our kids play. I would say you actually did pretty high. I would say like 8, 9. I mean 10 is perfect. Nobody is perfect but you never pressured me to do anything in particular. The only time I ever remember you asking me to do something I really didn’t want to do it was to lead the children’s ministry at the time and I really did not want to do it. We had a ton of little kids but I knew at the time, even though I didn’t feel equipped or gifted to do that, I was the best one of our options at the time. And so, it was really me you know, fighting myself knowing I’m supposed to do this or I should do this for the time until someone comes along. But that was the only time you ever really ever said, “Listen, I have to have you do this.” So, good job hon!

JONATHAN DAVIS: I can say that from watching you guys that that’s 100% true. Like I never felt like you pressured Jen.

CLINT CLIFTON: I was putting all the pressure on you.

JONATHAN DAVIS: I think that’s true but I think that’s okay. We wanted to do it desiring to do those things especially the core team you know, was wanting to go and do those things. You really did a good job at making sure that we were walking in that way. But one of the things I believe our friendship was forged but also like the way you guys trained us, you’re right, there was no formal training. But these was years ago when formal training like was just starting to develop and church planting was starting to become a thing. I remember us sitting at an ice cream shop called Tandy’s in Locust Grove as things were just kicking off down there. We were still trying to figure out what’s next. That was Sunday night dinner and we continued that tradition of ice cream for Sunday night dinners. And so, just that forging of training and conversation that happened in there but then watching and helping each other to walk in a manner where the recalling was just really good. Like you don’t have to do in the formal moments. You don’t have to have everything perfect. It’s just really cool how our friendship was forged in that way.

JENNIFER CLIFTON:  I think a lot of things don’t get talked in the formalness. Yes, we learn lessons when we go to trainings and stuff but I think a lot of what we did in the beginning was we were just like, “Hey! We have to do this. We’ve got to do this ministry aspect. Just come along with us and do it alongside with us you know, as we’re figuring out, we’ll tell you what to do.” And so, people we’re just like walked with us through.

CLINT CLIFTON:  Yeah. There’s 2 parts of that. I mean one of it is, one time is we were willing to let people see that part of our life and that was definitely good but the other part is a lot of times church members have the expectation or the idea that or the core team members that the church planter’s wife kind of have a game plan, they have everything together. And the truth is in most cases they don’t really have that great a plan. You’re just trying to do the best you can with the information you have in front of you. And so, with the humility on our side say, “We don’t know exactly what we’re doing.” and the willingness on your side to say, “Hey! We’ll help you figure it out. We’re going to get in the fray with you.” I mean I think that’s what made it successful and that’s what forged our friendship in that time.

JENNIFER CLIFTON: I think that’s why our core team is so good to like we were very clear like, “We don’t know what we’re doing. We need all the help we could get.” And because we were so open and honest with them, they loved us even more. Because they we’re like, “They really need us. They need us to help them through this and spitball ideas and all this kind of stuff and try the crazy ideas. And if they fail, we just move on to the next crazy idea.” And I think that’s why our core team was so great because they knew and understand that we don’t know what we were doing and we needed help and they wanted to help and love us through that.

JONATHAN DAVIS: Yes! If you’re talking about core team development here, we were transitioning a little bit. But yeah, the way that you guys brought to the table I remember having manila folders, and you had jobs for everybody laid out. But you made everybody fill a part of the thing. Like, “Even if we haven’t had it figured out, I’ve got some things that we’re going to try.” And half of those things didn’t do well at all. But yeah, we were all fighting together and that’s what it felt like.

JENNIFER CLIFTON: And our family was like, it was Clint and Jennifer, Jonathan and Jennifer, and all of our kids, and all the other core team members and their kids. It wasn’t just like the adults. Our families are like, “We knock on doors, our kids knock on doors with us.” So, we didn’t just keep it separated. When we did anything, families did it together.

CLINT CLIFTON: One of my favorite things that happened right now in our lives is just I think is so great is when our kids described Pillar or rather their talking about Pillar Dumphreys or all of the Pillars that came after that they say, “My family started Pillar.” “We did this.” You now? It’s always we and every time I here someone say that I’m like super proud because it feels like they really genuinely feel like and they were critical to the process.

JONATHAN DAVIS: Yeah, I remember we knocked on a lot of doors back then because of the way that the church was built. Definitely before Corona virus. But yeah, houses we’re just so close together and town homes and everything else in that one location. Thousands of homes and we were knocking on doors with as much as we could and the kids would get a door slammed in their face and they’d come back like, “We got a door slammed in our face.” They thought it was awesome. And there’s a training that happens in that, that you cannot recreate and where else are they going to train like that?

CLINT CLIFTON: Yeah. I have a distinct memory of Cody your oldest praying for the angry man that slammed the door on him when we were standing in a circle after we finished the houses.

JENNIFER DAVIS: But you know, if you look at our kids now that walked through that season with us, it’s like when we go do ministry outreach just things now, we’ve got new adults in our church that are like wanting to come and do that  but they’re kind of afraid like, “What if someone slams a door in our face?” But then our kids have no fear like they’ll go do it. No problem asked. And they’re like gathering they’re own little group from their youth group saying, “Hey! This is what we’re going to do.” Like they can lead an outreach no problem. And I think it’s because from them being little they were just like right alongside with us.

CLINT CLIFTON: Alright. You guys are awesome! It was so fun to hang with you and talk about this stuff. We probably haven’t had a candid conversation like this about this ever maybe. Anyway, I appreciate you guys very much. I love you very much. Thank you!

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JOSH TURANSKY: Today’s episode of the church planting podcast is sponsored by New City Network, The Church Planting Ministry of McClain Bible. A special thanks to today’s guest Pastor Jonathan Davis. Josh Turansky produced todays show. Zukey Bastien was our show runner and her husband Nick was our editor. Thanks to Hudson Turansky who provided administrative and web support for the program and last but not least thanks to you for listening through to the very end of the church planting podcast. Hey, if you’d like more information about the show feel free visit our website at www.churchplantingpodcast.org. There you can find all of our past episodes as well as notes and links from today’s show. We’re also on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter so check us out there on the social. And be sure to tune in next week for another episode of the church planting podcast.

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