Ep. 159: Tony Wagner - An Unconventional Education
The schooling of American children is marred by our notions that hard and long hours of classroom learning is a defining feature of K-12 school success even though such environments lack a playful approach to learning or room for imaginative interactions with the world. In their book Out of My Skull, Neuroscientists James Danckert & John D. Eastwood write, “When we have a sense of meaning and purpose in life, options for engagement with the world are evident and compelling.” So if we know this about schooling, learning, and engagement then why is it so hard for us to pivot? On this episode, globally recognized voice in education, Senior Research Fellow at the Learning Policy Institute, and author of many books including a memoir, Learning By Heart: An Unconventional Education, Tony Wagner, Ph.D. discusses how his own childhood learning experiences that were neither pleasant nor rewarding failed to channel his natural curiosity and what it took for him to find his way back to flourishing as a life-long learner.About Tony WagnerA globally recognized voice in education, Tony Wagner currently serves as a Senior Research Fellow at the Learning Policy Institute, founded by Linda Darling-Hammond in 2015. Prior to this appointment, Tony held a variety of positions at Harvard University for more than twenty years, including four years as an Expert in Residence at the Harvard Innovation Lab and the founder and co-director, for more than a decade, of the Change Leadership Group at the Harvard Graduate School of Education. His previous work experience includes twelve years as a high school teacher, K-8 principal, university professor in teacher education, and founding executive director of Educators for Social Responsibility.Tony is a frequent speaker at national and international conferences and a widely published author. His work includes numerous articles and seven books, including three best-sellers: Most Likely To Succeed: Preparing Our Kids for The Innovation Era, co-authored by Ted Dintersmith, was published by Scribner in 2015. Creating Innovators: The Making of Young People Who Will Change The World, was published in 2012 to rave reviews and has been translated into 19 languages. His 2008 book, The Global Achievement Gap continues to be an international best seller, with more than 150,000 copies in print. Tony’s memoir, Learning By Heart: An Unconventional Education, was published by Penguin/Random House in 2020.Tony served as the Strategic Education Advisor for a major new education documentary, “Most Likely to Succeed,” which had its world premiere at the 2015 Sundance Film Festival and has since been shown in more than 11,000 communities around the world. He also collaborated with noted filmmaker Robert Compton to create a 60 minute documentary, “The Finland Phenomenon: Inside The World’s Most Surprising School System.”About Host, Sucheta KamathSucheta Kamath, is an award-winning speech-language pathologist, a TEDx speaker, a celebrated community leader, and the founder and CEO of ExQ®. As an EdTech entrepreneur, Sucheta has designed ExQ's personalized digital learning curriculum/tool that empowers middle and high school students to develop self-awareness and strategic thinking skills through the mastery of Executive Function and social-emotional competence.Support the show (https://mailchi.mp/7c848462e96f/full-prefrontal-sign-up)
Tony Wagner's Mowglis experience played a critical role in his life, helping him develop into one of the most important forces in re-imaging education for the 21st century.Over a lifetime of teaching, experimenting, and refining his ideas, Tony has developed a very cogent and imaginative philosophy about what educational models can be employed to create innovative and independent life long learners. Tony Wagner today is viewed as one of the most important thinkers in the field of education.
Including Pulses in a Rotation to Build Soil Health with Tony Wagner
Growing Pulse Crops
For the past 15 years, Tony Wagner has been on a journey to improve the soil health of his farmland, which runs the gamut from sandy to high clay. He’s located about 100 miles west of Fargo, so farther east than a lot of the North Dakota pulse growers, but he says they’ve worked well in his rotation. Tony shares how he got into pulses, why he’s stuck with them, how they fit into building soil health, and a really interesting project of planting peas with flax as a companion crop to try to keep them off the ground. Tony also talks about attempting two crops of peas in the same field. While the second crop succumbed to unexpected weather conditions, he was impressed with the benefit to the soil despite not having a harvestable second pea crop.“The next year we put spring wheat on that ground and we pulled off on that type of soil, which is a very light soil, probably the best wheat that we've ever pulled off. And we did a soil test on it and the nitrogen was pretty high on that soil. So we decided to slowly start working into cover crops.” - Tony WagnerTony has continued to experiment with cover crops including with different varieties to see what provides the most benefit to his operation. Along with nitrogen benefits, he has observed much less wind and water erosion, improvement in areas of high salinity and better water infiltration. Tony admits that the benefits aren’t always easy to pencil and can take years to accumulate the advantages they offer. With decreased water requirements, decreased inputs and improved soil health, he is hooked and will continue his journey with cover crops and pulse crops. “From where I started off at, I wish I would have taken a picture. It literally didn't feel like we were getting anywhere at all. That was the biggest eye-opener. And now, I've got that drive to just keep doing what we're doing because visually it's working.” - Tony WagnerOne of the more recent practices Tony has been using was incorporating flax as a companion crop in with his field peas. He chose flax since the pre-emergence chemicals used are the same as field peas and would allow him to not spray anything after emergence. Field peas were prioritized at seeding with depths and rates optimized for their production. The flax companion crop did work and helped the peas stand but unfortunately the flax grew too well and would not die at time of harvest while the peas did. Tony says he would like to attempt this trial again but will look at different varieties going forward to see if the maturity timing can be better coordinated.This Week on Growing Pulse Crops:Tony Wagner is a North Dakota farmer who joins us to explain his journey into pulse and cover cropsDiscover the many benefits Tony has been able to realize on his operation with these practicesExplore the many varieties Tony has tried and what has been most successful for himGrowing Pulse Crops Podcast is hosted by Tim Hammerich of the Future of Agriculture Podcast.
What drives your learning? We dive into this question and much more in a conversation that is framed around Tony's newest book, Learning By Heart. Tony shares significant stories that demonstrate the power of teachers in the learning process as well as the need to have learning tailored to curiosity and passions. Tony doesn't stop there. He shares a pivotal moment that saved his educational journey as well as lessons learned from a personalized axemanship course. Post a review. Subscribe. Tony Wagner is a Senior Research Fellow at the Learning Policy Institute. Prior to that, he held a variety of positions at Harvard for more than twenty years including four years as an Expert in Residence at the Harvard Innovation Lab. Tony has written 7 books including 3 best sellers. On top of that Tony served as the Strategic Education Advisor for the education documentary, “Most Likely to Succeed." Music: Believin Stephen Shout outs: Ted Dintersmith, Mastery Transcript Consortium, Better World Ed & Abhi Nangia Links: Better World Ed, What School Could Be, Learning By Heart, Mowglis Summer Camp, Mastery Transcript, High Tech High, Grit Podcast ad: RethinkingEDU Sponsors: Podpage. Go to podpage.com. Use code "divingdeep" to get first month free or half off a premium subscription.
Episode 165- Tony Wagner joins us to discuss how he became an educational change agent.
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Seven Survival Skills for 21st Century Learners with Tony Wagner
High School Hamster Wheel
This week’s episode is one that I have been looking forward to sharing with you. When I first started this podcast over a year ago, I drafted a “wish list” of guests I’d like to interview. Tony Wagner was one of the names at the top of that list. When I reached out to him to invite him on the show, he accepted my invitation without hesitation. I first learned of Tony Wagner years ago when I read several of his best-selling books: Most Likely to Succeed: Preparing Our Kids For The Innovation Era; Creating Innovators: The Making of Young People Who Will Change The World; and The Global Achievement Gap. And recently, I had the pleasure of reading Tony’s newest book, Learning By Heart: An Unconventional Education, a memoir about his journey through life and education. During our conversation, Tony shares the list of the Seven Survival Skills that he cultivated through interviews with executives over a two year period. We talk about why test scores don’t matter and why mastery does. Throughout our conversation, Tony offers lots of valuable insight and actionable tips for parents of teens. I hope you enjoy this conversation as much as I did. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Learn more about Tony on his website at https://www.tonywagner.com Tony Wagner at the Policy Research Institute - https://learningpolicyinstitute.org/person/tony-wagner Learning by Heart: An Unconventional Education - https://www.tonywagner.com/learning-by-heart The Global Achievement Gap - https://www.tonywagner.com/the-global-achievement-gap Creating Innovators - https://www.tonywagner.com/creating-innovators Most Likely to Succeed - https://www.tonywagner.com/most-likely-to-succeed
A globally recognized expert in education, Tony Wagner is currently a Senior Research Fellow at the Learning Policy Institute, founded by Linda Darling-Hammond in 2015. Prior to this appointment, Tony held a variety of positions at Harvard University for more than twenty years, including four years as an Expert in Residence at the Harvard Innovation Lab and the founder and co-director, for more than a decade, of the Change Leadership Group at the Harvard Graduate School of Education. His previous work experience includes twelve years as a high school teacher, K-8 principal, university professor in teacher education, and founding executive director of Educators for Social Responsibility. Now, hear his take on the Essential 11 Questions. More places you can find Tony: Website - https://www.tonywagner.com/ Twitter - @DrTonyWagner