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8 of The Best Podcast Episodes for Ozan Varol. A collection of podcasts episodes with or about Ozan Varol, often where they are interviewed.

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8 of The Best Podcast Episodes for Ozan Varol. A collection of podcasts episodes with or about Ozan Varol, often where they are interviewed.

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Creative on Purpose Live! - Ozan Varol

Creative On Purpose
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Welcome to another episode of Creative On Purpose Live!

This is a show about flying higher in endeavors that make a difference. Step into possibility with integrity and intention. It’s time to be creative on purpose. Are you ready? Let’s go!

I’m your host, Scott Perry, Chief Difference Maker at Creative on Purpose and author of The Creative on Purpose Handbook.

This episode's guest is Ozan Varol, author of Think Like a Rocket Scientist. Learn more about Ozan and his book here.

Here are some takeaways from our chat:
- First principles thinking.
- Better questions Vs. better answers
- Developing a curiosity habit.
- Assumptions Vs. Assertions
- Strategy Vs. tactics

Jun 05 2020



367: Ozan Varol - How To Think Like A Rocket Scientist

The Learning Leader Show With Ryan Hawk
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#367: Ozan Varol - How To Think Like A Rocket Scientist

  • Sustaining excellence =
    • The ability to learn from failure - "Failure sucks and shouldn't be celebrated. We must learn from it."
    • "Learn fast, don't fail fast. We need to get better with each iteration.
    • Breakthroughs should be evolutionary, not revolutionary
  • How success can lead to failure
    • The Challenger Explosion - A string of successes discounted the role that luck played in the process
    • "Just because you're on a hot streak doesn't mean you'll beat the house."
  • Post mortem - A Latin phrase for "after death." Instead of a post mortem, do an "after action review."
    • Review after all actions whether they succeeded or failed.
  • The "Kill The Company" exercise
    • Ask the people within your company what they would do to compete and beat your company... And then do that.
    • Mark Zuckerberg does this with acquisitions (WhatsApp, Instagram). One of his greatest fears is becoming the next MySpace.
  • As a mid-level manager: Put yourself in the position of your customer. Why are customers justified in buying from our competitions? "They see something we're not seeing."
  • Growing up in Istanbul, Turkey. It was a culture of conformity. Ozan did not fit in. In fact, he was assigned a number in school and that was used to call on him instead of his name.
    • His parents let him choose which school he went to and he remembers feeling so empowered by them for having a choice. He wanted more of that.
      • So he decided to come to the United States for college and attended Cornell.
  • Ozan blindly applied for a job that didn’t exist by emailing Steve Squyres (he was in charge of a NASA funded project to send a river to Mars). And he acted on his dad’s advice, “you can’t win the lottery if you don’t buy a ticket.”
  • “Science is a way of thinking much more than it is a body of knowledge.” - Carl Sagan
  • In the modern world we look for certainty in uncertain places. We search for order in chaos. The right answer in ambiguity. And conviction in the complexity.
  • We should be fueled not by a desire for a quick catharsis but by intrigue. Where certainty ends, progress begins.
  • “The great obstacle to discovering was not ignorance but the illusion of knowledge. - historian Daniel J Boorstin
  • It takes courage... Often times there is a failure of courage. Have the courage to take action when the rest of the world is standing still.
  • Ask yourself two questions:
    • What's the worst that can happen?
    • What's the best that can happen?
  • Adopt an experimental mindset - Frame your actions as experiments. Don't be afraid to try new things...
  • "The way you figure out what's right is to try to prove it wrong."
  • The goal? "Find what's right, not to be right."
    • Ask people who disagree with you... Why? Have a mindset to learn from them.
    • "Tell me what's wrong with this..." Be a work in progress.
  • "All progress happens in uncertain times."
    • "It's bizarre. People prefer certainty of bad news instead of the fear of the unknown."
    • "Be curious about tomorrow."
  • Think: "What problems can I solve right now?"
    • It is not helpful to try and solve something that you cannot control.
  • Diversify your identity and services -- This allows you to be flexible and not depended on one stream of revenue.
  • "All of our differences are minimized when we zoom out." The Apollo 8 mission gave us an opportunity to look at the Earth from afar (mission to go near the moon). Jim Lovell could cover up the earth with his thumb. It put things in perspective.
  • Rocket science teaches us about our limited role in the cosmos and reminds us to be gentler and kinder to one another.

May 31 2020



591 - How to Think Like a Rocket Scientist with Ozan Varol

The James Altucher Show
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Facts are only facts for a period of time. This is true in science, in history, in economics, everywhere. But sometimes we forget that information changes. We get stuck thinking it’s stagnant. And then WE become stagnant. But if you can look at facts and information from an alternate perspective (through the lens of a rocket science), you’ll know how to get unstuck, persuade better, deal with uncertainty, have creative breakthroughs and more. In this episode you’ll learn how Einstein (and other geniuses) learned to think differently). And why this will help you deal with the current fluctuation of facts and information.

Ozan Varol is a trained rocket scientist and the author of "Think Like a Rocket Scientist: Simple Strategies You Can Use to Make Giant Leaps in Work and Life."

In this episode we talk about:

  • How Einstein learned to think differently
  • How to deal with unclear information and uncertain times
  • Where scientific (and creative) breakthroughs come from (and strategies to have them more often yourself)
  • How to embrace the unknown 
  • What makes an idea groundbreaking
  • How to imagine beyond society's limits and create something new
  • How to re-imagine the status quo

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May 25 2020

1hr 39mins


How to Think Like A Rocket Scientist, See What’s Possible & Change the Way We Approach Failure - Ozan Varol

Don't Keep Your Day Job
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How can you turn what seems impossible to the possible? Ozan Varol, rocket scientist turned law professor, podcaster, and author grew up believing that the sky was the limit, and he's made it his mission to empower you to dream bigger and turn it into a reality. He shares how to adapt your skills and resources to make the most of this moment, learn from your failures and successes, exercise your optimism muscle, and drop your ego so you can step into your customer's shoes and fully serve them with what they need.

- Join our Free 5 Day Here for This challenge!
- Get Ozan's book Think Like a Rocket Scientist and grab your book bonuses!
- Sign up for Ozan's weekly newsletter

Apr 27 2020

1hr 2mins


563: Accelerating Your Career by Thinking Like a Rocket Scientist with Ozan Varol

How to Be Awesome at Your Job
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Ozan Varol discusses how to make giant leaps in your career by thinking like a rocket scientist.

You'll Learn:

1) How success can hinder growth—and what to do about it 

2) How to turn worrying into productive preparation

3) How rocket scientists see and use failure

About Ozan:

Ozan Varol is a rocket scientist turned award-winning professor and author. He served on the operations team for the 2003 Mars Exploration Rovers project, and later pivoted and became a law professor.

He’s the author of Think Like a Rocket Scientist: Simple Strategies You Can Use to Make Giant Leaps in Work and Life. The book is # 1 on Adam Grant’s list of top 20 books of 2020. The book was named a “must read” by Susan Cain, “endlessly fascinating” by Daniel Pink, and “bursting with practical insights” by Adam Grant.

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Apr 16 2020



338: Ozan Varol | How to Think Like a Rocket Scientist

The Jordan Harbinger Show
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Ozan Varol is a rocket scientist turned award-winning law professor and bestselling author -- which makes him perfectly poised to share the wisdom found in his latest book, Think Like a Rocket Scientist: Simple Strategies You Can Use to Make Giant Leaps in Work and Life.

What We Discuss with Ozan Varol:

  • How to apply first-principles thinking in your life.
  • How you can reverse your own processes to find the holes in your logic.
  • The benefits of bringing in outside expertise that has seemingly nothing to do with the problem you're trying to solve.
  • Why brainstorming all the reasons your idea might fail may just ensure its long-term success.
  • How to reframe questions and generate insights you may have missed.
  • And much more...

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Apr 14 2020



Ep. 619: Ozan Varol Interview with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

Trend Following with Michael Covel
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Ozan Varol is a rocket scientist, author and award-winning law professor. His contrarian view show throughout his writings and interviews. He focuses primarily on showing how extraordinary thinking produces extraordinary results. Ozan’s newest books are The Democratic Coup d’État and Comparative Constitutional Law: A Global and Interdisciplinary Approach.

Michael and Ozan Varol take a winding path through modern life across politics, geography and the proper way to argue.

In this episode of Trend Following Radio:

  • Extraordinary thinking
  • The Democratic Coup d’État
  • Contrary thinking

Dec 29 2017

1hr 8mins


286: Ozan Varol - How Lawyers Can Be Most Effective

The Less Doing Podcast
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Ozan Varol is a Leverage certified coach who specializes in helping lawyers and others in the legal profession be most effective with their time. On this episode, Ozan shares how he got into the legal profession, what most solo and large practice attorneys do that decreases effectiveness, and more. Take the time to listen even if you are not a lawyer, you’ll hear some very practical ideas.


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Aug 02 2017