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9 of The Best Podcast Episodes for Jane Clayson Johnson. A collection of podcasts episodes with or about Jane Clayson Johnson, often where they are interviewed.

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9 of The Best Podcast Episodes for Jane Clayson Johnson. A collection of podcasts episodes with or about Jane Clayson Johnson, often where they are interviewed.

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PFL 126: Get REAL Series with Jane Clayson Johnson

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Let's get real about depression with award-winning journalist, former CBS co-anchor, and ABC correspondent, Jane Clayson Johnson. Learn from her personal experience and how step by step, she moved through it. This podcast is touching, authentic, funny, informative, and oh so real. Shift the way you think and feel about this very real illness that touches us all, and find the hope that waits there, too. 

Aug 26 2020 · 59mins
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53. Depression and the Plan of Happiness - Jane Clayson Johnson

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In this episode, we spoke with Jane Clayson Johnson about a really tough and important topic.

Jane is an award-winning journalist widely known for her work at CBS News, ABC News, and on the nationally syndicated NPR program, On Point. At CBS News, Jane was co-anchor of The Early Show, a regular correspondent for 48 Hours, and an investigative reporter for “Eye on America” segments for the CBS Evening News.

We spoke with Jane about her 2018 book Silent Souls Weeping, an incredibly important book that addresses depression, specifically within a Latter-day Saint context. In our discussion, Jane shared her own moving story about her struggle with depression, along with insights about how depression relates to missionaries and missionary work, a culture of perfectionism, social media usage, suicidality, and the stigma that still remains around mental health issues.

We’re so grateful to Jane for coming on and for her vulnerability and openness. If you or anyone you know struggles with depression, we invite you to listen to Jane’s message of hope, survival and resilience.

11:24 Depression and Feeling the Spirit

22:01 Finding Traction When Depressed

26:51 Having OCD While Serving a Mission

36:36 Dealing With Toxic Perfectionism

47:22 Returning To Our Wards During A Pandemic

Aug 23 2020 · 58mins

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Destigmatizing Mental Illness with Jane Clayson Johnson

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Let's face it. Mental Illness has a stigma. On this episode of The MomForce podcast, Vanessa and two of her sisters, Erika and Shelly, are tackling the touchy subject of mental health. Award winning journalist and former co-host of CBS’s The Early Show, Jane Clayson Johnson joins the conversation, discussing the need to destigmatize how we view mental health as well as her own struggles with clinical depression. She shares insights from her book, Silent Souls Weeping, where she interviewed over 150 men, women, and teens about their experience with depression. As mothers, many of us put unrealistic expectations on ourselves and when those aren't met, the sometimes crippling disappointment can spiral. In today’s conversation, Jane and the MomForce sisters discuss real life tips and tricks on how to cope, when to ask for help, and how we can support those around us that may be suffering. Help us change the stigma of mental health. Sharing our stories is the start.

Jun 23 2020 · 36mins
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Navigating Depression | A discussion with Jane Clayson Johnson

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Join me as I speak with Jane Clayson Johnson about depression. Jane is an award winning journalist widely known for her work at CBS News, ABC News, and on the nationally syndicated NPR program, On Point. At the age of 36 she chose to step away from her career to get married and raise her two children. When her children were young, Jane started having dark thoughts; feeling unworthy of her family, wanting to fall asleep and fade away and even about planning her own funeral. It wasn’t until her husband stepped in to get her the help she desperately needed that she was able to get diagnosed with depression and start her journey of healing. Jane’s personal experience with depression prompted her to open up and write a book, Silent Souls Weeping, about her brain illness in an effort to change the stigma, shame, and isolation surrounding the disease and advocate for those whose lives have been altered by mental illness. In the interview, we share important information about depression to empower listeners to advocate for themselves, their friends and loved ones.
May 21 2020 · 44mins

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Jane Clayson Johnson (Journalist, Author, and Mother) on Overcoming Depression

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Ever dealt with depression and felt alone or weak? Join Jane Clayson Johnson (award-winning journalist for her work at CBS, ABC, and NPR; best-selling author of I Am a Mother and Silent Souls Weeping; and an incredible mother) as she talks about her encounter with depression and how others with depression shouldn't feel flawed or trapped. 

Jan 21 2020 · 29mins
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Jane Clayson Johnson Ep. 366 The Cultural Hall

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A friend referred me to read this book. Frankly, I was nervous, but ordered it. I’ve now read it 3 times! I have shared and ordered books for others! I have needed this book for years. It is very difficult to suffer from depression and anxiety, and feel so alone and mis-understood. I would recommend this book to anyone who is suffering from this mental and emotional disease. I would recommend it to every family member who has someone suffering. I would recommend it to every ecclesiastical leader. It is definitely a HUGE help, so well written and researched, and I especially loved Jane Clayson Johnson’s honesty about her own struggles and the many interviews she shared in the book. You read it and you feel HOPE.

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Jan 17 2020 · 35mins
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021: Silent Souls Weeping: Depression in Women of Faith w/ Jane Clayson Johnson

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Suffocating sadness, feelings of sinking, drowning in the depths, the ache of deep self-loathing…How and why does depression strike in spiritual people?  Join me as I tackle this sensitive topic with Jane Clayson Johnson, an award-winning, nationally syndicated journalist and author of Silent Souls Weeping – Depression: Sharing Stories, Finding Hope. One of her life purposes as a mother, a woman of faith and a journalist is to shine a light on the desperate, dark, and lonely reality faced by those who struggle with clinical depression. Jane shares her own difficult experiences, along with others – particularly in the sociocultural context of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons). Suicide is the leading cause of death for Utahns ages 10 to 17 and ages 18 to 24. It is the second leading cause of death for ages 25 to 44 and the fourth-leading cause of death for ages 45-64.  Utah’s Public Health Indicator Based Information System reports, “Completed suicides are only part of the problem. More people are hospitalized or treated in an emergency room for suicide attempts than are fatally injured. In 2014, the most recent data year available, 13 Utahns were treated for self-inflicted injuries every day.” Or, listen on your favorite app: iTunes (Apple Podcasts) | Spotify | Stitcher | AndroidRadioPublic | Google Play Jane offers unique research and understanding on depression and suicide.

In this episode:

  • Why do we work so hard to “prop up the façade” and hide our flaws, rather than get real and transparent?  
  • How does cultural and familial shame contribute to situational depression?
  • Why is there such a stigma about depression in religious and spiritual communities?
  • How does “toxic perfectionism” come into play?

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Check out Cherie’s 22 Day Depression Cleanse  (22 Days, 22 Minutes a Day, $22.00) “Healing wasn’t meant to be complicated.”

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Cherie Burton is a mom of 6, author, international speaker, emotional healing expert, business owner, leadership development trainer and Women Seeking Wholeness Podcast Host. She specializes in the science and spirituality of emotions and sensory integration; a "whole soul" approach.  Cherie has degrees in psychology and sociology and has worked as a counselor in the fields of mental health and addiction.  She is a former Mrs. Utah and coaches females of all ages in private mentoring programs, retreats and online courses.  Cherie travels internationally, empowering audiences with knowledge and tools to heal their emotions, find their callings, and receive wholeness.

Cherie has recently launched two online courses: The Emotional Wholeness Master Class and The 22 Day Depression Cleanse which can be found HERE.  

She is the author of two e-books, “Where Depression Ends and You Begin: 4 Passages to  Discovery”; and “True and Lasting Change--4 Ways to Break Through Fear.

Her Stand Speak Shine programs provide women with retreats and mentoring programs to empower them to heal, express and create.  

Her book, If She Could Speak, will be released in 2020.

Meet her at www.cherieburton.com

May 22 2019 · 46mins
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How to Support Latter-day Saints Struggling With Depression & Anxiety | An Interview with Jane Clayson Johnson

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Jane Clayson Johnson grew up playing the violin and attended BYU on a music scholarship, then changed her studies to journalism. After graduating, she worked for KSL News in Salt Lake City, then moved to Los Angeles where she was a correspondent for programs such as ABC World News Tonight and Good Morning America. She was later an anchor on The Early Show and a correspondent for CBS. Jane left her full-time job when she married her husband, Mark Johnson, to be a wife and mother. They have two children together and reside in Boston, where she also works as a fill-in host for NPR’s On Point. She has written two books, I am a Mother and Silent Souls Weeping. Jane Clayson Johnson


5:45 About her book, I am a Mother
6:20 Hosts On Point for NPR
6:50 Considers self a storyteller
7:25 Authoring new book, Silent Souls Weeping, on the subject of depression, especially as it relates to her own experience with clinical depression
9:25 Wondered “How can I be so depressed when I am so blessed?”
11:35 After receiving treatment and beginning to feel better, Jane began to speak with others and realize how many people suffer with depression. She began interviewing others, and the book was born.
12:30 All interviews are with faithful Latter-day Saints who have struggled with depression
13:00 Kurt recommends the book for church leaders who are battling with depression, especially since as a leader he did not have any framework to help people who are suffering—no advice to offer beyond “go see a professional”; the book helps him understand different perspectives.
14:25 Jane has learned that we need to reach out and help each other, because so many of us don’t speak about the suffering; feels the worst part of depression is the “profound isolation”
16:30 So often we suffer in silence—it’s where the title of the book comes from, Silent Souls Weeping
17:35 Depression is easy to hide at church
18:00 One bishop made a list of the mental illnesses he saw in his ward and concluded about about one quarter of his ward were affected, and that was just the issues that he knew about
19:35 Depression can block us from feeling the spirit, God’s love
20:10 “It was like the most important part of my soul had been carved out of me”
20:20 When you are depressed and active in a church that often equates happiness with righteousness, depression can be tormenting
22:15 One sister described a sense of desperation, seeking help anywhere, felt depression was a sign that she was somehow unworthy, hypocritical
23:30 Depression happens to us regardless of our circumstances, the loss of the spirit may be the most distressing part of depression and why we need to seek treatment
23:50 Kurt reminds us depression does not only affect those who “don’t understand” the gospel but can affect anyone
24:20 One theme of the book is how depression affects our ability to feel the spirit. Another theme is the stigma attached to depression.
25:25 Kurt tells the story of one sister suffering with depression wished to be in the place of a sister with cancer’s shoes because of the extreme stigma and embarrassment she felt related to suffering with depression
26:30 Jane explains the woman with cancer and woman with severe depression were both admitted to the hospital at the same time—they were sisters. The depressed sister felt like people would treat her and her family differently if she had cancer instead of something stigmatized like depression.
27:25 Depression is not the result of personal inadequacy
27:40 It is not a black mark on your character; when you are in the depths of a clinical depression you cannot pull yourself up by your bootstraps, you are not going to fix it with hard work and discipline
28:05 One woman shared her experience, and her father said why don’t you put that all in a box, and just ignore it — that’s not particularly helpful
28:20 One BYU student had terrible symptoms of depression, prescribed medication, and was so embarrassed that it was a personal failure on her part and flushed the pills down the toilet, suffered for years until she finally went to a doctor for help. Today she is a “stigma-buster” for depression.
29:40 Kurt: How can leaders become stigma-busters?
30:00 Jane says you have to educate yourself about the signs and symptoms of mental illness
30:25 Acknowledge the reality of the biological component and the treatment options
30:40 Bishops are not counselors or therapists, and we should not confuse them with someone in a professional role
31:10 Jane’s neighboring stake in New Hampshire has developed a formal initiative that has a bulls-eye on mental health, a wellness committee off of the stake welfare committee, called M25 using Matthew 25 as an inspiration
31:40 The M25 committee is a resource for all things mental health in the stake, specifically focused on connecting local church leaders to members of the stake with specialized knowledge and experience with mental health issues
32:30 Jane has heard from church leaders that many of their most difficult, dysfunctional cases are driven by underlying mental health problems
34:25 Kurt says you don’t need to understand clinical depression, but as a bishop, having a toolkit available is helpful; leaders don’t need to be the therapist, but they can be reassured that they can help provide resources
35:20 Jane received a text from a friend, who spoke in church about her story with depression
36:05 “The room went silent.” She felt the response was amazing and overwhelmingly positive, and there is talk about her giving her talk in other units.
36:50 Kurt says after reading the book, he thinks that our typical approach to mental illness—to call in a professional to speak on a fifth Sunday—is less effective than asking members to share their personal experiences
37:35 In Jane’s experience, she has learned it’s not a one-off kind of thing; you must keep the conversation going to change the narrative about depression
38:30 Brene Brown: Speak the shame to get rid of it
38:50 “Depression thrives in secrecy but shrinks in empathy”
39:15 Young man who has returned early from his mission, is staying in his room because he feels so terrible and the response he was getting from members. A high councilman shared his experience coming home early from his mission and what it was like when the boy came home, it was a powerful example of what it means to mourn with those that mourn
41:40 Kurt: we leaders often get in fix it mode and that removes us from being in a state of empathy
42:00 Perfectionism
42:30 BYU study, Daniel K Judd: the more that respondents felt that their salvation was primarily a result of their own good works (legalism), the higher were their scores on measures of shame, anxiety, depression, and obsessive compulsive disorders
43:05 Those who understand the principles of grace have dramatically lower scores on all these measures
43:30 Kurt: leaders can default to empathy and never forget to remind members about grace
43:40 Jane learned a lot about grace with her experience
44:00 One woman: I give myself grace
44:20 Jane feels the conversation about perfectionism is important to have, the need to have a veneer of perfection is damaging to our mental health
44:40 We put the scripture “be ye therefore perfect” on steroids; We try to live up to an unattainable standard, and when we do we are not authentic
45:20 Jane’s experience with art therapy: who am I on the inside, and who do I want others to see; the more similar our outside and inside are, the healthier our mental state
47:20 Stop comparing yourself
47:50 Depression and youth/missionaries
48:10 Kurt: what can we understand about full disclosure and the benefits of it (when someone comes home from a mission for depression)?
49:50 Jane: it doesn’t always happen that missionaries receive compassionate support from leaders; one woman was suicidal on her mission and had never been depressed before, but her mission president was not understanding
50:45 There is such shame and stigma attached to coming home early that many missionaries leave the church; we must help these young people, not ask them why they came home early
51:50 Of 80,000 missionaries who serve, 6% come home early, and 36% come home due to mental health issues (most recent statistics Jane could find)
52:20 Kurt: regarding suicide, what would you tell a new bishop to prepare for that scenario
53:50 Jane: turn to Elder Renlund, who recently gave some great interviews on this topic, and he’s an apostle and medical doctor; he reminded us it is totally safe to ask people if they are having thoughts of harming themselves. The idea that asking someone about suicidal thoughts causes people to commit suicide has been debunked.
54:55 There has been a 28% increase in the suicide rate in the US in the past 20 years; in Utah it is the leading cause of death for young people ages 15-24
55:30 LGBTQ+ youth who are rejected by their parents are at 8x higher risk of suicide
57:20 Not talking about suicide can keep people from seeing possibilities or cut them off from help
59:00 Jane feels depression has actually strengthened her testimony; depression tested her, but on the other side of it she recognizes how profoundly the concept of grace plays into her life; she has a hope in the Atonement that she could not have imagined; she knows what it is to call on grace in your darkest moments; she chooses to believe—it’s easy to talk yourself out of faith, but she knows now more than ever that she has a loving Father and a Redeemer; she is grateful for her journey and experience.


Silent Souls Weeping
I am a Mother
Official Church Mental Health and Suicide Prevention sites
Daniel K. Judd study on religion and mental health

Jan 13 2019 · 1hr 2mins
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"I Am A Mother" with Jane Clayson Johnson

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In her new book, Jane Clayson Johnson, former co-host of The Early Show on CBS, pulls no punches with a stirring, entertaining, and thought-provoking call to arms in defense of the phrase "I Am a Mother."She speaks from experience telling what makes values and standards "portable," how her own mother's voice still guides her, and, in a final chapter, how sisters can support, rather than judge one another.You'll never say, "I'm just a mom," again.That's this week on The Cricket and Seagull...
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