#516: Suleika Jaouad on Invaluable Road Trips, the Importance of a To-Feel List, and Finding Artistic Homes
The Tim Ferriss Show
Suleika Jaouad on Invaluable Road Trips, the Importance of a To-Feel List, and Finding Artistic Homes | Brought to you by Dry Farm Wines natural wines designed for fewer hangovers, Allform premium, modular furniture, and LMNT electrolyte supplement. More on all three below.Suleika Jaouad (@suleikajaouad) is the author of the instant New York Times bestselling memoir Between Two Kingdoms. She wrote the Emmy Award-winning New York Times column + video series “Life, Interrupted,” and her reporting and essays have been featured in The New York Times Magazine, The Atlantic, Vogue, and NPR, among others. A highly sought-after speaker, her mainstage TED talk was one of the ten most popular of 2019 and has nearly four million views.She is also the creator of The Isolation Journals, a community creativity project founded during the COVID-19 pandemic to help others convert isolation into artistic solitude. Over 100,000 people from around the world have joined. You can find one of my favorite prompts, which I shared on my blog last spring, at tim.blog/dialogue.Please enjoy!This episode is brought to you by Dry Farm Wines. I’m a wine drinker, and I love a few glasses over meals with friends. That said, I hate hangovers. For the last few months, all of the wine in my house has been from Dry Farm Wines. Why? At least in my experience, their wine means more fun with fewer headaches. Dry Farm Wines only ships wines that meet very stringent criteria: practically sugar free (less than 0.15g per glass), lower alcohol (less than 12.5% alcohol), additive free (there are more than 70 FDA-approved wine-making additives), lower sulfites, organic, and produced by small family farms.All Dry Farm Wines are laboratory tested for purity standards by a certified, independent enologist, and all of their wines are also backed by a 100% Happiness Promise—they will either replace or refund any wine you do not love. Last but not least, I find delicious wines I never would have found otherwise. It’s a lot of fun. Dry Farm Wines has a special offer just for listeners of the podcast—an extra bottle in your first box for just one extra penny. Check out all the details at DryFarmWines.com/Tim.*This episode is also brought to you by Allform! If you’ve been listening to the podcast for a while, you’ve probably heard me talk about Helix Sleep mattresses, which I’ve been using since 2017. They just launched a new company called Allform, and they’re making premium, customizable sofas and chairs shipped right to your door—at a fraction of the cost of traditional stores. You can pick your fabric (and they’re all spill, stain, and scratch resistant), the sofa color, the color of the legs, and the sofa size and shape to make sure it’s perfect for you and your home.Allform arrives in just 3–7 days, and you can assemble it yourself in a few minutes—no tools needed. To find your perfect sofa, check out Allform.com/Tim. Allform is offering 20% off all orders to you, my dear listeners, at Allform.com/Tim.*This episode is also brought to you by LMNT! What is LMNT? It’s a delicious, sugar-free electrolyte drink mix. I’ve stocked up on boxes and boxes of this and usually use it 1–2 times per day. LMNT is formulated to help anyone with their electrolyte needs and perfectly suited to folks following a keto, low-carb, or Paleo diet. If you are on a low-carb diet or fasting, electrolytes play a key role in relieving hunger, cramps, headaches, tiredness, and dizziness.LMNT came up with a very special offer for you, my dear listeners. For a limited time, you can claim a free LMNT Sample Pack—you only cover the cost of shipping. For US customers, this means you can receive an 8-count sample pack for only $5. Simply go to DrinkLMNT.com/Tim to claim your free 8-count sample pack.*If you enjoy the podcast, would you please consider leaving a short review on Apple Podcasts/iTunes? It takes less than 60 seconds, and it really makes a difference in helping to convince hard-to-get guests. I also love reading the reviews!For show notes and past guests, please visit tim.blog/podcast.Sign up for Tim’s email newsletter (“5-Bullet Friday”) at tim.blog/friday.For transcripts of episodes, go to tim.blog/transcripts.Discover Tim’s books: tim.blog/books.Follow Tim:Twitter: twitter.com/tferriss Instagram: instagram.com/timferrissFacebook: facebook.com/timferriss YouTube: youtube.com/timferriss
Suleika Jaouad: You Are Not The Bad Thing (Part 2)
Everything Happens with Kate Bowler
There is a strange tension when we want so badly for the people we love to support us, but want to shield them from the pain at the same time. This is a beautiful, terrible kind of love. In Part Two of our conversation with bestselling author Suleika Jaouad, Kate and Suleika discuss what it is like to be the one suffering—all the guilt and shame and rage and mercy and grace and how we can create better economies of love around those who need it. Kate ends with a blessing for those who feel like their problem is too much to handle—a blessing if you feel like "the bad thing." Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
There are two different worlds people inhabit. In one world, people feel infinite bounce. They can see every silver lining and believe in their bones things will always get better and that any set back is probably temporary. But then, there’s the other world. These people know what it feels like to live scan-to-scan and hold their breath when the doctor’s number shows up on their phone. Bestselling author of Between Two Kingdoms, Suleika Jaouad knows what it means to carry this dual citizenship between the kingdom of the well and the kingdom of the sick. In this conversation, Kate and Suleika discuss what it was like to have a terrible diagnosis as a young person and how to keep living when you can’t go back to the way things were. Kate ends with a blessing for those who have lost too much, too quickly.CW: cancer as a young person, incurable illnesses, fertility treatments Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
On isolation and life re-entry with Suleika Jaouad
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Ep. #528 - Adam speaks with Suleika Jaouad, bestselling debut author of Between Two Kingdoms. They discuss her battle with Leukemia, her struggle to find herself in the world when she was pronounced healthy, the isolation of the ongoing pandemic, and writing what she knows to a place she doesn't yet know. Her books is a must-read. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Kate receives a sweet and insightful gift from her daughter, and Financial Doree takes a whack at the patriarchy by investing. Then, Suleika Jaouad (Between Two Kingdoms) joins the podcast to discuss why she got into cold plunging, how she came to be an advocate for herself and her body, and what led her to create The Isolation Journals. To leave a voicemail or text for a future episode, reach us at 781-591-0390. You can also email the podcast at firstname.lastname@example.org.Visit forever35podcast.com for links to everything we mention on the show.Follow us on Twitter (@Forever35Pod) and Instagram (@Forever35Podcast) and join the Forever35 Facebook Group (Password: Serums).This week’s episode is sponsored by: ISSUU - Get started today for FREE or sign-up for a premium account and get 50% off when you go to issuu.com/podcast and use promo code FOREVER35. ELF - Go to elfcosmetics.com/f35 and use promo code F35 to get 25% off your e.l.f. purchase of $40 or more! CALM - For 40% off a Calm Premium subscription, head to calm.com/forever35. JENNI KAYNE - Get 15% off your first order at jennikayne.com when you use code FOREVER35 at checkout. RITUAL - For 10% off during your first three months visit ritual.com/FOREVER35. FLEXFIT - Visit Flexfits.com/forever35 and use code FOREVER35 for 20% off Flex Disc Starter Kits or 10% off your first Flex CupSee acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
Jaycee and Soeuraya are joined by Suleika Jaouad.Suleika is a writer and motivational speaker best known for her Emmy-award winning column, Life, Interrupted, in The New York Times and her TED Talk, "What Almost Dying Taught Me About Living". Suleika shares the story of her diagnosis, her cross-country road trip on the other side of it, and the connective powers of writing. Her new best selling memoir, Between Two Kingdoms, is out now wherever books are sold. You can find her Isolation Journal Prompts and Studio visits here and keep up with Suleika on instagram @suleikajaouad.To keep up with the hosts of the episode, you can follow Jaycee @jayceegossett and Soeuraya @rawbabysugar.
Born in New York City to a Tunisian father and a Swiss mother, Suleika Jaouad attended The Juilliard School's pre-college program for the double bass, and earned her BA with highest honors from Princeton University and an MFA in writing and literature from Bennington College. Leaving music behind, she thought she’d a war correspondent, but her plans were cut short when, at age 22, she was diagnosed with leukemia that led to a brutal 4-year stint in and out of the hospital, with multiple rounds of chemo, and a bone marrow transplant. She began writing her New York Times column and Emmy-award winning video-series “Life, Interrupted” from her hospital room at Sloan-Kettering, and has written reported features, essays and commentary for New York Times Magazine, Vogue and NPR, among other publications. Suleika served on Barack Obama's Presidential Cancer Panel, the national advisory board of the Bone Marrow and Cancer Foundation, and the Brooklyn Public Library’s Arts & Letters Committee. She is also the creator of the Isolation Journals, a community creativity project founded during the Covid-19 pandemic to help others convert isolation into artistic solitude; over 100,000 people from around the world have joined. Her debut memoir, Between Two Kingdoms (https://amzn.to/3qaugcf), is a gorgeously written exploration of so many moments, people and stories that have led to her this moment in life.You can find Suleika Jaouad at:Website : https://www.suleikajaouad.com/bookInstagram : https://www.instagram.com/suleikajaouad/Check out our offerings & partners: Talkspace: Online Counseling Via Text, Audio, Or Video Messaging. At Any Time, From Anywhere. Get $100 off of your first month with Talkspace. To match with a licensed therapist today, go to Talkspace.com or download the app. Make sure to use the code GOODLIFE to get $100 off of your first month and show your support for the show.Sleep Number: Adjustable Firmness, Comfort And Support On Each Side. And now, save 50% on the Sleep Number 360® Limited Edition smart bed. Plus, special financing on all smart beds. For a limited time, only at Sleep Number stores or sleepnumber.com/GOODLIFE
Our perspectives are shaped by the experiences we collect while writing the many chapters of our lives. Though as we go through life writing and reading between the lines of living, we brace for the plot twists that have the power to rewrite our stories in ways that we could have never expected. Suleika Jaouad has lived through this and has created an extraordinary story of her own that is rooted in strength and transcendence. When she was just 22 years old, Suleika was thrown off course with a devastating Leukemia diagnosis. With dreams of becoming a foreign correspondent, she instead found herself, as she says, "reporting from the front lines of her hospital bed." Today, Suleika is a highly-regarded speaker, writer, and creative professional. But when COVID-19 upended the world earlier this year, Suleika found herself revisiting the notion of what it means to be isolated as a result of illness. Enter her latest project, The Isolation Journals, which has given rise to a vibrant community around the world who are looking to "transform life's interruptions into creative grist." While there's something to be said for there being strength in numbers, Suleika has made a compelling case for the creativity—and unexpected sense of connection—that can arise even when we find ourselves in solitude. In this interview, Suleika shared more about the inception of The Isolation Journals, how she indulges in slow storytelling, and why cultivating a lifelong creative practice has brought meaning to her life. This episode also opens with a story contributed by Echo Hopkins of Ordinary Habit.
Suleika Jaouad is an Emmy Award-winning writer, speaker, cancer survivor, and activist. She served on Barack Obama's President's Cancer Panel, and her advocacy work, reporting, and speaking has been featured at the United Nations, on Capitol Hill, and on the TED Talk main stage. When she's not on the road with her 1972 Volkswagen camper van and her rescue dog Oscar, she lives in Brooklyn. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices