Intro: Gina and Jen talk peasant DNA, jobs, the specific experience of being employed by the Catholic Church and how that convinced Nicolas Cage to hire Jen, making the quarterfinals of the CineStory TV writing contest. Let Me Run This By You: on the topic of Woo Woo culture, does one have to buy in to the whole culture or can they just adopt the tenets? Also, having a finely tuned bullshit meter, the allure of MLMs, spending $90k at the Bodhi Tree, The Power of Now, The Secret, Oprah's podcast, Interview: We talk to Larry Bates! The agony of clashing with your Audition class teacher, wanting to attend a "prestigious-sounding" school, almost becoming an aeronautical engineer, almost auditioning in New Orleans with a monologue by a quadriplegic character, My Children! My Africa!, the various factors that might play into choosing a school in Chicago (proximity to the Bears among them), living in U Hall, Sanctuary, the bliss of ignorance, choosing to transition away from being the class clown, having to maintain an academic scholarship in a setting where you're being graded on your art, charming your teachers, Antigone, Diary of Anne Frank, A Raisin in the Sun, being pre-cast in Six Degrees of Separation, Peter Pan, The Mountaintop, when people with unrealized artistic dreams are teachers who project their inadequacies on to you. TRANSCRIPT:Jen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:00:08):I'm Jen Bosworth-Ramirez.Gina Pulice (00:00:09):and I'm Gina Pulice.Jen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:00:11):We went to theater school together. We survived it, but we didn't quite understand it.Gina Pulice (00:00:15):20 years later, we're digging deep -talking to our guests about their experiences and trying to make sense of it all.Jen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:00:20):We survived theater school and you will too. Are we famous yet?Gina Pulice (00:00:31):Really? I actually, I started to write a blog post. I couldn't,Gina Pulice (00:00:34):I've been really like struggling to figure out what I would want a topic for a blog post to be. And, um, so I was looking through my notes folder, where I keep all my little ideas and, and I had always wanted to write an essay about how I've had 37 jobs. And I wanted to write about, yeah, I've had 37 jobs, but of course I don't want to just list all my jobs I have to, you know, and it has to be gearing up to a point, but it got me down a rabbit hole yesterday because I started the essay by talking about how my doing my own DNA revealed I'm 100% peasant. Like there is not one, you know, noble or even anybody living above the poverty line.Jen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:01:24):Really. Wow.Gina Pulice (00:01:26):And so it makes a lot of sense because when I have a big job, like Aaron is frequently commenting.Gina Pulice (00:01:33):Wow. You just, uh, you just keep working, you just, you know, put your head down and keep working. And I'm like, yeah, what's, what's the alternative. But in my family, I think I got my first official job. I mean, it was a babysitter, et cetera, but I think I got my first official job kind of late because I was 17 and my sister worked all the way through high school. She worked, started working at the dairy queen. I think she was just barely 14. And my dad started working early. And, uh, anyway, so it's like, work is like, the work ethic is really, that's the one thing I'll say about my, you know, my family that's unequivocally positive. Is that everybody works hard. Yeah. You know, I have no slackers in my family,Jen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:02:17):No slackers. And I think, you know, I, the guy I used to date that then died, he used to say, he used to say, um, loopy. That was my nickname. He would say, loopy, you are a worker, a worker, and a doer. You come from peoples that are workers and doers. You're a real doer. And that can be great. And that can also be a trap. Right. So doing, doing, as we know is, but it's gotten me. I've probably had, I probably haven't had 37, but I've had a lot. And you know that you and I had the same job.Gina Pulice (00:02:51):I just, you got to tell everybody the story about the job we had.Jen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:02:55):Well, you had at first, so there was a church. Um, I won't name it because I don't know. I guess it doesn't really matter, but there's a church, a Catholic church, a very large Catholic church, a very old Catholic church. I mean, Catholic old. Yeah. Um, in Chicago that had a rectory. It still does. I'm sure. And in the rectory, there was a secretary named Barb and she needed an assistant if I'm correct some kind of helper. And that was Gina and Gina was that helper. And when Gina moved on, Jen B became the helper. So we were assistants to the secretary at the rectory of a Catholic church, butGina Pulice (00:03:36):That doesn't even give no greatest description of what the job is. So part of a big part of the job, maybe the biggest part of the job was answering the door when homeless people came because they had a policy of giving. Now, what did you think about the policy of giving cookies? I mean, you know, that's all, I think that's all it was, was cookies.Jen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:03:55):It was, it was here's your cookies and soap. Good luck. This soap might taste better than these cookies from 1988. No, it was ramen. We had to fill the, the ramen. It was a cup of noodles and we filled it and I burned myself every time and we, and we, it was new, but you're right. It was basically a cup of ramen cookies and something else. It might've been so something like that. And, um, and I just thought, I mean, people came, that's what we did. We answered the door and gave the food, answered the door, gave the food.Gina Pulice (00:04:33):My favorite part of that job was doing the counting, the take the weekly, the weekly money collection because my mom went to that church and I knew all of these people like through her. And I just got so much joy about like being in a setting with my mom and them and being like, I know exactly how much moneyJen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:04:58):That is. Fantastic. My favorite part was having these really weird lunches with the church staff. Oh,Gina Pulice (00:05:06):Oh, that was bizarre. So uncomfortable. So uncomfortableJen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:05:11):Go to the basement where there was a kitchen and we'd all have these, the weirdest meals ever. There was a cook who would cook, but we'd also order in on special days from like the Italian restaurant and the food was bizarre. It was like fish on Friday. It was just, and we're sitting there and like, you know, you and I are like, we'd like to fancy ourselves hipster, hipster. And we're seeing there was 65 year old people talking about, who's getting baptized, who who's, who died. Who'sGina Pulice (00:05:48):It was so awkward. And the priest would sit at the head of the table and it was this old Polish woman. And it was like, you better like the food that has served. And it was okay. I mean, it was, but it wasn't very predictable, but I am the reason that we started ordering out because I couldn't take it after a while. I was like, Hey, can we order out? And she's like, Oh, I remember she used to say, Oh, Gina, I have my money budgeted down to almost a penny. And I said, uh, my treat Barb. Um, but, but then when father, when the priest found out about it, he said, no, no, no, well, let's do that for everybody. And so that's how, and it was the restaurant that I worked at via Carducci, which I can't remember. Did I work at there? I think I worked there at the same time as I worked at the church and uh, Oh, and Barb delighted in ordering, she would just pore over the menu, try something different than every FridayJen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:06:49):That I remember about Barb. I remember a lot of things. She had huge hands. She had these big meat, sausage hands. She wasn't a big person, but she had like big limbs. Like she was loving, even though she wasn't like a person. And then she, and she, and she would pore over the menu. And also she had a very troubled son. God helped her. I don't know what happened to him would show up at church and I would have to field. She would be like, I don't want to see him. And so then of course, because I am who I am, I would get in the middle and like try to help him. And it was not good, but I had a blast there so I can thank you for that. I did have a blast. I learned so much and it got me hired. I never told you this. It got me how basically hired for Nicholas cage. Did I never told you this story? So, because that was your admin experience. And he looked at my resume and said, Oh, you worked for a Catholic church. Awesome. You're hired basically. So Gina got me my job in LA.Gina Pulice (00:08:00):Okay. I love that so much. Uh, did I ever tell you about when I tried to seduce the priest? Okay. That is the greatest thing I've ever heard. Okay. So we had this young priest. I don't really know what my deal was. He w he was fine. He was fine. He wasn't ugly, but he wasn't particularly attractive. I, I think what it was was he liked me. I mean, I, I think he just liked me, like, as a person, it wasn't like anything romantic, but I, I think at that point in my life, I interpreted any attention that I got from a man as like, okay, this is a potential romantic interests. And I think I just got really taken away by the idea that maybe I could get this guy to leave, to break his vows. Yes. And I'll tell you something. It felt like it almost happened. Uh, there was a moment. It happened in the church. I was doing something in the church and I was standing on a ladder and it was all, it was very like close. And guess what about two weeks after that? He moved to a different congregation. No way.Jen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:09:18):Fantastic. Right there. That's going in Agnes of fraud, somehowGina Pulice (00:09:24):Putting a personJen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:09:24):That works in the office that, Oh my gosh, another woman that works in the opposite. It's also like a cult-y. Oh my gosh. That is brilliant.Gina Pulice (00:09:35):Yeah. Yeah. Right there. Yeah. It was a great job. It was a great job. But anyway, how do we get started talking about jobs?Jen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:09:45):So you said you had 37 jobs and you were talking about your book.Gina Pulice (00:09:47):That'd be cool. Right? Cause I was writing a blog post. Yeah. Finished it yet. I'll send it to you. So we madeJen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:09:53):The quarter finals of the Cintas story, Really competitive, like, um, awesome. Been around forever. And I got the email and I was like, Oh, this is so great because I've been like mooching people too. I had to notice the two showrunners again and never heard back from them about like, Hey, and then, so this was, it was just, it was a much needed, um, no much needed when I think. Yeah, for sure. Final said semis and then finals, maybe.Gina Pulice (00:10:25):So, uh, do you know any, do you have any idea about how many submissions they get?Jen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:10:31):So I have a friend. Um, I'm going to ask her. I don't know if the answer is no, but I know it's a lot. And I know that if we get to, according to what I read, if we get to the semis, we're invited to the retreat, which you still have to pay for, but it's a virtual, it's all virtual this year. And, um, it's like my friend said the retreat changed her life. Like she met her agent and I think she met and she met producers and they bring in like top of the line people and it's, so I'm really hopeful. And I also, um, I'm grateful that it's all virtual. That way you can do it. It's not,Gina Pulice (00:11:05):It's fantastic. We'dJen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:11:06):Make it work anyway, but it's not, it's in Idlewild. I mean, it used to be in Idlewild, California. That's a schlep obviously with coven and whatever, so yay for, for it being virtual. But I just really, I, I liked that. My friend said it's a really good one and I've read really good things about it. So I'm happy about that.Gina Pulice (00:11:23):That's so cool. I'm grateful to you for doing all of the submitting to these various contests. It's a lot to keep track of.Jen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:11:31):Oh no, no. It's E I love it. That's like my jam. If I could enter contents all day, I would like raffles or like a submission. I like, you know,Gina Pulice (00:11:40):I think you probably can. I like you remember those people that made their living, like they figured out how to get their groceries for free by doing coupons. I bet you could make a living off of raffles, but you would have to work really hard at it.Jen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:11:54):Yeah. I feel like that's maybe what Barb did in retirement.Speaker 5 (00:12:03):Let me run this by you. Okay.Gina Pulice (00:12:15):Fundamentally believe in most of the woo stuff. Yeah. Like I don't really disagree with it. I agree with it, but I don't want to do the culture around it. I totally hear you. And I don't, and it just occurred to me today. Like maybe you don't, maybe if you don't want to do the culture around it, you don't, it's not really your, your belief. Do you really mean, like, I totally know what you mean. And I have a follow-up question for you, which is, is it, um, uh, the rebel nature in you that doesn't want to join? Or is it that you think the people that can be really annoying or what, what is the thing that really gets your goat? Well, it's not, it's not the thing that, that, it's not that it's often used in a scammy way, even though it is often used in a scammy way, but that doesn't bother me cause anything is used in a school.Jen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:13:23):Um, do you know what I think? Okay. I think this one is when I hear people talking about it. Yeah. So boring sounding. Okay. So that's it. So you are bored by the woundedness of the culture and maybe wondering too, if it, like, for me, what happens is it, it, it borders into really just being privileged talk. Yeah. Like recreate our abundance. Meaning if you're, if you, if you're unhoused, you've created that unhoused situation. I think for me, if you have any sort of social justice bone in your body, an alarm goes off and you start thinking, well, that's garbage because that means that, you know, people who are down on their luck or have created this whole situation or their cancers, I can't stand that as having lived through so many cancers. Yeah. So maybe it's that part of, part of it, but the essential message that we all deserve.Gina Pulice (00:14:30):Abundance, I think is a good one. It's just that we don't all have the same tools to get there. Yes. That, and also it's the same reason I'm I don't ever want to talk to anybody about being a mom, like ever, because people get this like glossy glazed, like aye, aye. And it's also feels somewhat superior. It has this always feeling superior. Like I was listening to somebody talk about like, you know, crystals and rocks and, and that's boring just talking about crystals and rock boring. But, but then like this, there's the subtext of like M and I, you know, thank God I figured it out. I just figure it out. I'm always cool. And I'm always serene and it just, it feels like a lie. I wish people could talk about it in a way where it's just really honest and direct. Like yeah.Gina Pulice (00:15:31):Sometimes the crystals don't work. Sometimes I think it just because I took my antidepressant that I felt better to do work and like, but it's also it's, it is a little, the joiner thing. I don't really like joining a joiner, which is not a joiner. Ooh. I like to be part of a community. I don't know. I'm a contradiction. I think.Jen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:15:55):Well, I think part of it too, is just that you, you have a very keen radar. And I also think that you're like the worst person to target for a multi-level marketing scheme, because is you, you can sense. And you also are able to say, I've really not interested in this as where I ended up with 40 million chotchkies or Rhodan and fields meets, meets, you know, neutral, this meets, uh, because, um, uh, Pete, my people pleasing problems. So I not into a multi-level marketing scheme before became a rep, but believe me, I have supported many of friends, vitamin juice or whatever.Jen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:16:39):I don't know all kinds of pills I did about it that you you're like, that's amazing. Wow. You, you, it like you're telling me changed your life. This lady who lives on my street, she's starting selling jewelry for one of these crappy things. And she's like, you know, and I'm like happier and I'm, and I'm, and I feel better. And I look, and I have more money and it's just like, Oh my God, that's amazing. Is that from selling this jewelry?Jen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:17:08):Yeah. That, and that goes back to what I texted you the other day, which is that hope and belief in oneself is contagious. That is the thing that people want. They don't want the crappy chatchki jewelry because I never wear it after I get it. I want that hope. That's what we're looking for. Yeah, that's right. That is what we're looking for.Gina Pulice (00:17:30):So, and it also maybe it's that like your options for that or religion or spirituality, right.Jen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:17:40):Or in cap or buying consuming, or like some kind of consuming, but you're right. It, you, the joining is limited. We don't have a lot of community. I mean, I think that speaks to a larger problem. We don't, so that we create these communities out of multilevel level marketing things or religion or whatever it is to feel like, yes, we could do this really. We're just, it's like, it always comes down to, for me, what we, you and I talk about, which is it's a confidence game. It's a, in the best way, I don't mean a scam, but I mean, like it's about that feeling of my life is good now. See, and it's because of this chatchki jewelry from the Czech Republic or whatever.Gina Pulice (00:18:23):Okay. What if there was a store that like the, like the Bodhi tree or like, and, and you work there, you owned it or whatever. And when people came in and said, like, I'm feeling, uh, you know, I want to, I want to have abundance when you, and you've got an abundance candle and you've got this and you see that the person look, I mean, really what this is. It's not the candle it's that you are choosing to focus on your own abundance. Like, so that, I mean, just FYI, like please buy the candle because otherwise business, but also know that it's really not about the CA I just, it was just the scene that seemingly like a little bit of a lack of honesty.Jen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:19:12):I agree. And I think the hard part is that the, that these people who did that talk like that at, for me, the madness is they are not aware that it's not about the candle or if they are, if they are, it's too hard to do the work about abundance or whatever the issue is, they'd much rather spend 10 99 on the candle because that's a quick, that's no one will, I guess it comes down to, nobody wants to do the freaking work.Jen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:19:40):He wants to do the work. When you worked at the Bodhi tree, did, were you expecting,Jen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:19:46):I really believed in the woo woo stuff, but I did not. I also had, I think the thing about both of us is that we have a sense of humor. So I also, because you know, being not from LA and B, I D I just thought some of it was hilarious. Like, like Madonna came in and, and bought, um, you know, people just buy hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of merchandise. And I was like, this is insane. And I just got off on it because I thought it was the, and look, I was 24. So I, I didn't, it didn't strike me as, this is so sad because everyone's starving. And this person is buying literally $300,000 worth. I mean, they would clean us out of, come on.Gina Pulice (00:20:31):Are you serious $300,000. ?Jen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:20:32):Well, like I remember the highest bill someone had, people would come in with, um, black American express cards, which have no limit or have some. And there was a, there was a Lantus Morissette came in and did some serious damage. The, uh, the music producer, Rick Rubin, who produced the Beastie boys and the chili peppers, and anyone who looks wears no shoes and looks like a monk. He came in and I think his total was, he had two different cards because he had to call and say, I'm not being scammed and all this stuff. But I think his total was something like $90,000. Uh, I mean, did your cash register to do it in sections? Like, but he had like truckloads. I mean, it was crazy. It was crazy. So I think I was just like in awe and I didn't realize that with that abundance of his comes, someone's paying the price somewhere.Jen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:21:33):Someone's not getting abundant that way. And I was making seven, 13, $7 and 13 cents.Gina Pulice (00:21:39):How about share some abundance this away?Jen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:21:42):Right? How about tipping us? Well, we couldn't take tips, but, but meanwhile, yeah, it was crazy. And I just remember the big book that was really popular when I was, there was the Eckhart Tolles, uh, the power of now and the power of now my big joke was people would come in and be like, I need the power of now. And I'd be like, you need it right now. Don't you right now. And they'd be like, that is not funny. But I thought it was really funny and we'd always be out of the book and I'd be like, they did not think it was funny. Cause I was kind of being a jerk. I was like, Oh, you need a right now. Do you need the power of Now right now?Gina Pulice (00:22:17):Yep. You're on it. It's the humorlessness of it. I don't like any humorless situation. Like if you can't, you know, because there is something funny in like every situation and, and, and it's not just that you're not the other person isn't like making a joke of it it's that they don't, they don't, they're just taking themselves and every, and it all so seriously. I think that's the part.Jen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:22:43):That is the part that's probably from an outsider. You know, if we view as the crux of your, like your anger or your annoyance about it is that there is, there is no levity. There is no like, okay, we're literally talking about a crystal that has been charged in the sun and has special powers. And this is literally bonkers, but it might work. I mean, so that's, that's what you're saying is that there's no theory of there.Jen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:23:14):Everything is one note. So, and that's not funny when something's one and the one note is this is so serious. If I don't get these Kabbalah books, I'm going to, you know, I'm not the set of Kabbalah books for $1,600, special ordered, I'm gonna bad. Things are gonna happen and you know, they could happen. But I bet it's not because you didn't get the Kabbalah books. I bet it's because life is hard and people die and get cancer.Gina Pulice (00:23:38):Absolutely. So, um, what I find myself doing is I want to, I want to want to be this person because, because like I said, I there's so much basic, I think wisdom and so much of that stuff. Like I'm the kind of person who will download every episode of Oprah's podcast and never, I've never once listened to it for one second, listen to, but I want to want to listen to it. And I think, and maybe it's because I'm just saying to myself, like you should, you should really listen to it. You need serenity. Now you need whatever, like the secret. But I, I can't bring myself to do it. I just watchthe office again.Jen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:24:25):There you go. And I remember when the secret came out, we, I was at your house. Um, and in Chicago and I said, and I said, the secret they're like showing it at whatever, whatever, and both you and your husband are like, that's such garbage. And, but, but, and I remember thinking it is kind of garbagy and I'm still gonna watch it, but it's not the whole picture. Their secret is not the whole picture. It's, it's what they say, which is for me. Anyway, my, one of my mottoes is trust in God. I have to believe that I had higher power situation, but I say trust in God, but tie your camel to the pole, like take care of your business. And you can use all the crystals you want, but still do your dishes because you're going to get roaches, if you don't.Gina Pulice (00:25:14):Absolutely. And you know, when I think the reason that we had that reaction is our downstairs. When we lived there, our downstairs neighbor was really into the secret and it was literally the only thing she talked about. And every time it came up, I mean, I like was avoiding the laundry room. I was, I just didn't. And every time I came up, all I could think is, yeah, you live in like a tiny room. She was like 60 years old. And she lived in a tiny room in a apartment. I remember her, her apartment. Yeah. Her room. I just, I don't think you, this is not a secret!Gina Pulice (00:26:02):today on the podcast. We have Larry Bates, the talented Mr. Bates, you know him from so many things he's currently starring on, in strange woods. He's been an LA his finest cherish the day, uh, sunny side, miss Virginia, big little lies. N C I S uh, he's just been in a ton of stuff. He's a fantastic actor, a wonderful guy. And we had a great interview. So I hope you enjoy it. .Gina Pulice (00:26:28):Larry Bates. Congratulations. You survived theater school.Larry Bates (00:26:34):Thank you.Gina Pulice (00:26:34):How painful was it? Just get, just, let's get right to the nitty gritty.Jen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:26:40):Let's go right to it. How painful was it?Larry Bates (00:26:42):Uh, You know, there's Degrees of pain. I w I would say degrees of pain, but, You know, I don't know. I didn't, it wasn't, it, it Wasn't that painful For me really. That's good. Maybe first year, first year was definitely painful. And there were parts of fourth year, especially our like outgoing audition class was very painful. And like I said, there was, there was some very, there was some varying degrees of pain throughout, but overall, I mean, it was, I mean, it's, I mean, I got to do yoga and, and, and, and sleep. And Phyllis's class,Gina Pulice (00:27:22):You paid a pretty penny to do yoga.Larry Bates (00:27:26):That is true. Well, that's diff well, I'll tell you what those, uh, uh, student loans, that's definitely painful. That's that's definitelyJen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:27:32):Curious. I just, I'm just really curious about this. Uh, I will just jump right into the fourth year and whatever someone's like, that was the really Pam, like, that's what I want to hear about.Larry Bates (00:27:41):Here's the thing I don't want to, I could, Jan, I could, I could, I could do it. I don't want, I don't want to, I don't want to trash, I don't want to trash this. It was just, it was just, it was just not, you know, here's the thing without, without, without trashing someone really bad. And, and you would think it's been 20, 20 some odd years. I've let it go. But, you know, you spend, I just feel like you spend four years there, you know, hopefully building up your confidence and then you get in this class. And I just felt like it was a lot of garbage. Do you know what I mean? Like a lot of like, uh, someone trying to pretend that they were bigger than who they were, and you're dealing with a lot of young kids who are like, anxious to know what's going to happen after they graduate. And they're looking at you, like you actually know. And, you know, so I just think it, I think it did a disservice to a lot of what we have learned going through, um, going through school and then to actually get out in the professional world and for it to be validated like, Oh, you really had no clue, really. Just,Gina Pulice (00:28:47):Just to make you feel better, that person gets trashed a lot on this podcast. So we cut it out. You know, we are way like, bleep the name, something like that, because the thing about it is like, you should be able to talk about your experience. And actually, this is a theme in my mind recently, like, why are we always having to protect like the really people? Why, you know, why, why can't we just call out people for who they are, but, you know, I know there's, you have to be political.Larry Bates (00:29:16):Well, I would say this, if I wasn't being, if I wasn't being recorded, I would on shot on the leash on. Cause I agree with that. I want, I want people to, I want people to know that people are people. You know,Jen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:29:30):The thing that I love about this podcast is that w well, that I'm finding is that, yeah, it's not, it's not even about trashing them. It's about like your experience, Larry Bates, as an actor, going through the school and then graduating and seeing how that looks at as Gina would say in the rear view mirror and, and the things you've learned and the things that were painful and also stuff that you would change. And, um, I just, do you think that the actual, um, schooling did not, uh, line up with what you then learned when you were on sets and stuff like that, or when you said, you know, how you said it was different thanLarry Bates (00:30:08):Well, I mean, I, I, yes. I mean, I, I mean, I, nothing, most of what I, I got out of that audition class, I can't, none of that's really what I bring with me as an actor today, honestly, but to me it was more of kind of like, um, I don't know, you know, you spend four years. I mean, it's kinda hard to, you know, you know, you know, it's like even your pocket as I survived at theater school, cause it really is survival. And like these other, these other students who were studying other, other things don't understand don't necessarily understand what it's, what it, what it does to you to have to kind of deal with yourself daily. You know what I mean? And to deal with, you know, you're, you're in school, you have these, these, these hopes, these dreams, and like you're pursuing them and it's, uh, it's fiercely competitive, you know, and, and at that time we still had the cut system where you had to be asked back, you know, two years and then you get into casting pool and you're, you know, it's very competitive to, uh, it's very competitive for parts and, and, you know, you, you, you develop friendships, you kind of have like quasi enemies and all that stuff, ultimately, but ultimately, but ultimately you come through school together and you, and I, I mean, I will say even still to this day, some of the best theater that I've seen has been from like the people that I went to school with, you know what I mean? Like, and just, you know what I'm saying? So, so watching that, like us come from freshmen to becoming like, okay, man, like we're ready to go. We don't know what's going to happen, but we're ready to go out and, and do it. And then to have someone come there because they have their own egos. And they're trying to pretend like they're bigger than somebody on their phone. Oh. And don't do it to me. It's just like, you know, so, so I'll say I do want to trash the person I would love to. I wouldn't really love to. So it's not just, um, it's not just like, Oh, because that's just like, okay, like you, like, instead of, instead of like telling these people, Hey man, you just, you just spent a ton of time, a ton of money, a ton of energy and sacrifice to learn this discipline, like teach us to be confident and go out nothing. You know, it may not be easy. It may not be easy, but like go out instead of giving us scare tactics, doing little slick stuff behind the back saying horrible stuff to people, you know? So stuff like that, it just, it just bothered me, but I will say. And so on set. Yeah. I mean, yeah. I just, I just don't think a lot of it was useful and I, and I will, I will say to this day, to me, for me personally, as an actor, you know, confidence is everything. Confidence is everything. So to me that is, that is valuable. And that doesn't mean like, you know, lay a glaze over what's to come. You can be real, but I dunno, there was just some stuff that was going on in that. I just remember when we wrote our evaluation of that class. And man, I, I wrote, you know, you, you have that little box where it asks you at the bottom, um, you know, like, do you have any other comments? And I know it wasn't just me. I wrote so much, I turned the paper over. I mean, I feel the whole thing out.Gina Pulice (00:33:20):Fantastic. So you mentioned theater and you've done a lot of great theater. You worked at the Goodman and you've had some amazing roles. Were you always a theater person? Is that why you chose a theater conservatory?Larry Bates (00:33:33):No, man. I, you know, no. I mean it's so here's so here's, um, here's also why maybe the school wasn't as painful for me. Like I was very, I was very raw in a lot of ways. Like I, I think I did my first full length play at DePaul. Um, honestly, um, I, when I was in, in high school, I did a lot of, um, like, you know, monologue competitions and, you know, forensics, you know, like duet acting competitions and stuff. And I'll tell you, I was, so I was so naive that the concept of re this is terrible, the concept of reading a play to understand what a, what a monologue meant, you know what I mean? Or, or, or, or, or, or, or, you know, so you get the context of the monologue or the context of the scene. I, I didn't even have that context. My, my, um, my, I wanted to be a lawyer. And my, um, my mom said, you know, you should get in, in speech classes. So I took speech and drama and my speech teacher would be like, you really need to do these, um, forensic competitions. You need to come do these speech tournaments. And I'm like, I ain't speaking in front of nobody, nobody at all. And then, and then she gave me the scene. It was the sunshine boys from Neil Simon star by Neil Simon. And I played uncle Willie. And we went, we, we, and again, I didn't read the whole play. I just read the scene. And I was like, Oh, this is funny. I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll have some fun with this. And it was just, it was just everything. I was just like, I L I love this, I love this. I mean, part, you know, part of it was, I, I, you know, I was, we found some success in it, so I just got obsessed with it. And, you know, I was an AF I was an athlete too. And I was so obsessed with, with it that I quit football my junior year and was like, I just want, I just want to focus on acting. But here's the thing. When I look, when I look back now, I've been doing plays my whole life. And, you know, it was always of quick with it. But, but to answer your question, I didn't do like a lot of, like, any type of real organized, uh, we say organized like sports, but I didn't do any real, like, organize, organize theater before, before DePaul. So I was really there soaking up everything. Like, you know, if, if a teacher said, you know, breathe with your toes, I was trying to breathe in my toes. You know what I mean? SoGina Pulice (00:36:05):That's, that's a big leap though, to go from. I mean, because most people were just like drama nerds from day one. So when it came time to pick a school, were you looking at other acting programs where you're looking at other non-acting programs?Larry Bates (00:36:23):Yeah. It's it's uh, so this is yes. Yes, but not because I have to tell you. So I, like, I was, when I think about it now I have, I have no clue how I ended up at the theater school. I have no clue how I'm even right here,Jen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:36:39):Larry. It is you, you have to know that this is a common thing for some of us, I have the same thing. And so does Gina where we're like, we know what was happening and we still, and we're talking to people that are like, dude, I just, I went because my friend told me to audition or whatever. So this is anyway, I'm super excited. So how did you end up,Larry Bates (00:37:02):Oh, this is great. This is great. So, so I was, this is some of this stuff just makes me want to think about it. I was like, what, what were you thinking? You know? So it was all I knew is this, all I knew is I wanted to go to,Gina Pulice (00:37:21):Okay,Larry Bates (00:37:21):I want it to go to a prestigious sounding school. Okay. Because yeah, so we were, I was, you know, I was like, that was kind of like, um, you know, like I said, I was a little, I don't want it's a little over overachieve, a little in high school. Like I was in like tons of clubs. I was like student body president. I was in student government. You know what I mean? Um, but, but, and it was, we were kind of academically competitive, although the people who were at the top were at the top and I was, you know, I would cut corners because I could, and because it was like, eh, I'm not that challenged, but anyway, I'm saying all that to say that I wanted to go to a prestigious sounding school. So it'd be like, Oh, you know, when we had our high school, uh, we had our high school audit there, there was this thing. I went to a school called DeRidder high school in Louisiana. And, you know, at the end of the year, you have this big kind of like, um, session in the auditorium where they announced all the scholarships and for all the graduating people. So I was like, I just wanna, I just wanna walk up on the stage and be like, Larry bakes DePaul university. I was at DePaul something. But anyway, at the time, I wasn't even thinking of at the time, I wasn't even thinking about DePaul. I was, I was thinking about going to do undergrad somewhere, probably LSU, um, and you know, do some kind of a major and then try to go to law school. Um, or I was going to go to, I was looking at Embry-Riddle in Florida, uh, for aeronautical engineering.Jen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:38:48):Wow.Larry Bates (00:38:52):These are just, these are just, these are just dreams of mine, but it was like, Oh, that's, that's what I'm going to do. That's what I'm going to do. I'm going to go be an engineer. But when I remember when I was taking the act and all that stuff, I remember checking how much I love performance. So one day I go to the mail and there's this thing in there that says DePaul university. I was like DePaul. And I looked at it and it said, Chicago. I was like, Oh, Chicago. And I'd heard DePaul before, probably because of the basketball team. I was like, DePaul, that sounds very prestigious. You know? And then I saw them as peers going to South Chicago. And you know, I'm originally from Chicago. I grew up in Louisiana, but my dad and his side of the family lived in Chicago. So I was like, Oh my God, my dad is in Chicago. And I was like, and I can see the bears. I can watch the Chicago bears play every Sunday. I am going to this School. So, Well here, here's the thing I had, no, I didn't know what a conservatory was. I had no clue. And like, I got other stuff in the mail from like Carnegie Mellon and stuff like that. But like, I was just like, I'm going to DePaul and you have to understand. I, uh,Jen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:40:03):Horrible.Larry Bates (00:40:05):It's the only school I applied to m.Gina Pulice (00:40:07):Me too.Larry Bates (00:40:08):Too, which is, which is crazy Though, because if I wouldn't have got in, if, if I went to, my mom would have killed me like this concept of you're not going to college, it's not a, it's not a thing. And I, um, so I just applied. I'm like, yeah, I'll go here. I applied. And I remember, I remember, I remember my audition was in new Orleans and I had to drive to new Orleans, which was like four hours away. And my speech teacher gave me two, two plays. One was my children, my Africa. And I think the other one was like, whose life is it anyway. But one of them was about a guy who was a quadriplegic is, is from neck down. Right. And pear. Okay. Yeah. So it was a quadriplegic. So I was also very full of myself. So I'm like, Oh, I'm just going to do this. I'm going to, I'm going to do the monologue, uh, the quadriplegic. And again, and again, I didn't, I didn't read the play. I didn't read the play. I didn't have the concept of reading the play. So I'm like, yeah, I'm going to do that. I'm just going to sit there and just talk with my head and they're going to love, they're going to love me. They're going to love me. So I'm like, yeah. That's. So I, I work on that monologue for like two weeks, get in the car to drive to new Orleans. And I just go, you know what, Larry, maybe you should do something where you're a little more. Yes. So I'm learning the monologue from my children, my Africa on the car ride to new Orleans, David, David Avcollie, and John Bridges are, are in there. I'm doing a monologue. I forget. I forget. I go up on the lines in the middle of it, but I'm but you have to understand. I am. So it's like the, um, you know, ignorance is bliss. Like I've, I've, I'm just like, I went up so much. So I like just dropped down to the ground, got silent. I did something physically until it came back. And then I, And then I remember, I remember walking out And my mom was like, how'd it go? I was like, eh, I'm fine. Yeah. But I, but I was like, I'm going to get in.Jen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:42:24):You knew you were so clear, but yeah.Larry Bates (00:42:28):Didn't know. I was just like, I was just like, I was great. I mean, I didn't know, like I said, I wasn't that experienced either to be like, Oh yeah. You're. I mean, I just was just like, yeah,Jen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:42:38):Gosh, two things, one you're so much funnier than I ever remember you being, which is fantastic. I like that too. Where do you think that came from? That comp? I know you said ignorance is bliss, but there must be something else like, Whoa, where did that come from? That? Like, I got this kind of a switch.Larry Bates (00:43:02):Well, I, you know, I mean, I just, I mean, I, I guess I'd give credit to my mom, you know, it was just like, you know, kind of partly just growing up, it was just like, you know, just no excuses. Like, it could be harder for you. You might have to do this, but this is what I expect and I need you to do it. So it was just like, okay, cool. You know? So it was just like, no matter what was going on, it was just like, you, you just, I was just, it was just like, okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna make it happen. You know what I mean? So I guess a little bit of that. Um, and again, I did not, I did not, I did not know that it was, you know, you know, doing quilts with my hand. I didn't know. It was, you know, like tough to get in there. Like, you know, a lot of people applied. I, I didn't, I didn't know any of that. So I was just like, yeah, it's in Chicago, my dad's up there. I get to watch the Chicago bears play football. And that was the, the, the biggest thing. Yeah.Gina Pulice (00:44:03):I'm guessing it was somewhat of a surprise to you then what the program was actually like, if you hadn't been so keyed into theater and what the whole theater school training thing was, it must have been a lot of a whole new world for you. Yes. But I was,Larry Bates (00:44:22):I was, I was just open to whatever was being thrown my way. Like I was just like, okay, cool. I'll take it. I mean, there definitely were, I mean, me and my home, but home, whatever. There were times where we sit in, in like, um, a speech class or a movement class and, you know, everybody's being, so, you know, like what the, what the hell are y'all talking about? Like, what the hell are you talking about? You know, like here's all these stories and me and my boy, uh, kids see, we like 'em. Yeah. Yeah. But here, but I'll tell you, here's the other thing too. I was like, when I was done, like when I was done with classes, like I was done, I was just like, okay, cool, cool. I'm up, I'm up. I'm going to enjoy college. Like the college experience, the rest, the rest of DePaul. For the most part, I would say specifically like the, my first year, 100% and maybe second half of second year, I started becoming more of a, you know, cause theater school is its own thing. You know what I mean? So I'd say kind of second year, more third year. But, but I remember I did, I was just like, I'm done. And I remember first year people were like, yeah, I had a meeting with, with, um, you know, Rick and I'm like, what do you mean? You had a meeting with your teacher? Why are you going to be with that person? You know, we had class, we're done what's up. And then I, and then I did, I said, okay, well maybe I should be having a meeting. Maybe I should have a meeting. And I remember, I remember I remember making a meeting and he was like, you don't need to come and meet with me. I was like, Oh, okay, cool. Well, I'm about to go to the CAF.Jen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:45:52):So you did, you totally had the full DePaul experience. You lived in the dorms and had friends that weren't in the theater school.Larry Bates (00:45:58):I lived, I lived in the door. Did you live with athletes? I did. Eventually. I lived in the dorms my entire four years. So I lived in U hall first, which was, you know, a dorm dorm, but here's what was great. And this is part of, well, part of the reason why I did is I got into sanctuary, which is like the athlete, um, dormitory. So I was in the townhouse. So we have like this dope townhouse with like, you know, it was, it was, it was dope. It was really dope. So, um, so I lived there for like the next, uh, three, three years. So it was kind of like, you know, having independent living or off campus, but steel, steel, it being a adult.Gina Pulice (00:46:40):How did you get to that? If you're weren't playing sports for DePaul?Larry Bates (00:46:45):Cause, cause again, I was, I was, my circle was more than theater school people. First, first year I was just, I was just cool with everybody. I played pool all the time, go, God would go, go hoop, go to the basketball courts, go do every, so my pool, my, my, my circle was bigger than just theater school. And uh, so I was the, most of the cats that were in my, uh, in my dorm were track guys. So they were all, they were all track athletes, you know? So yeah.Jen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:47:18):You're the only person from the theater school in your dorm.Speaker 6 (00:47:21):Me and, uh, me and Christian Anderson. I don't know if you remember small boy kids. Yeah. Christian. Yeah. Me and him were, were living. And then, uh, he left after second year and then one of my other homeboys. Who's not a theater school guy, you know, he just, he moved in with me.Jen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:47:41):Did you, so you were never afraid. Were you on warning? Never, right?Larry Bates (00:47:46):No, I never, I mean, no, I never got a warning, but I was, I mean, I was afraid. I mean like that first year is like that first year is crazy. I mean, it's crazy. I mean, you don't think it, but it's crazy, you know, you're in, you're in, you're in class and you're do something. Cause again, I hear you. Here's the thing that first year is a monster. You know what I mean? Like every, and every year, you know, you see these first years come out crying and sobbing and I understand it because I felt the same way. I remember breaking down to my mom. Like I want to say it was like the summer. It's just like, it's hard. I guess it's just hard. And it's, it's, it's a weird thing to like, to communicate to people. Cause they don't really understand it. But like, you know, you always say, you know, you and I, I will say, I think there's probably parallels in, in athletics. You know? Like you, you go, I don't know, you go, I go to this school and I'm thinking, Oh, I got into this school. Oh, I'm great. So I still have this kind of ignorant, arrogant bliss, you know? And then you go into class and you do something and Rick, Murphy's looking at you, like, what is that? That's garbage. And now you're all of a sudden, you're like, I don't know who I am anymore. You know what I'm saying? You know? And, and I can also remember I was the class clown through like all, all through like Ella, you know, elementary school, junior high, high school. And I remember at DePaul, like everybody was funny and it was this thing where it was like this competitive class clownish and this going on. And I was like, I'm not as good as that guy or that guy. I can remember making a, I can, I can remember making a decision 100% trying to try to do little jokes. And um, and I remember Jason, uh, Jason, Flynn, or Jason, Jason, because I think it goes on to explain now, uh, Jason plan or dismiss, I'm sorry, I may have it wrong. But, and John Hogan Aker, these guys were like the funniest guys I've ever seen in my life. And I can remember they were just doing their thing. And I remember, I remember making a decision. Okay. You are not the class clown here. Like making a decision stop, trying to be funny.Gina Pulice (00:50:06):That's why Boz doesn't remember you being this funny because you were, you were being, were being serious actor. Larry.Larry Bates (00:50:12):I was being very, very, very serious, but all my friends from high school, they don't think that like, they're like, Larry's going to be on, Larry's going to be on Saturday night. They're Like, Larry is crazy. He's going to be on Saturday night live. So I, so I don't, I'm just saying that I was, I never got a warning, but I was, I was 100% like terrified. Um, I mean, yeah. You know, like improvisation, I dunno. I didn't, I've never done that before. You know what I mean? And then to try to figure it out, you know, cause I'm the kind of guy that's like, what's the rules. Give me the rules and then I'll figure it out. If I get the rules, I can do it. But like, you know, there's no, what are the rules? You know, there's, there's a teacher looking at me saying, yeah, you're on focus. You're not on focus. Okay, cool.Jen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:51:01):Oh, that's right. They actually use that language. He re he used that language, right. 100% focused, not on focus. It's all coming back to me. And I remember being like, it was sort of this like nebulous, like what does that even mean? But, but he knew apparently he protect if he already,Larry Bates (00:51:19):Well, here's the thing. I know what it means now. I think. But at the time I, I was just like, I was just, I was just clueless. I was, I mean, that was really clueless and it's, that's disarming. And especially when, I mean, I was also like, I was on academic scholarship at DePaul too. So I had to keep a particular GPA, which is also kind of frustrating when you, it's not like you're just giving me, you know what I'm saying? Like I, how much am I really in control of the grade? You're giving me when I'm being evaluated.Gina Pulice (00:51:56):Yeah. So we talked about this a lot. It was so subjective at the end of the day, it was whether or not you were pleasing to your particular teacher at that particular time. And for, for us, this is not like, this is the case for you. For us. It ended up meaning that we just got really good at figuring out how to please these particular teachers that may or may not have been something that helped us get better at acting. Do you know what I'm saying?Larry Bates (00:52:20):Yeah. Well, well, well, well w w I, I think that's, I think that's a part of it to be, I mean, I honestly think that's a part of it, uh, a hundred percent. I mean, I D I mean, I did that in, and I did that in high school. I mean, I, that was, I remember learning that real quick. If the teacher, if the teacher likes you, she's not going to flunk you charming. Oh my God. I was pretty much that I, I would, Oh, listen, I, I would, hi. How you doing, miss? How are you, how was your day? I mean, I would, I would be that student that would bring, uh, some apples if I needed to. And listen, listen, I'll tell you though. There's been times where I've taken a test and a messed up or something. And like the teacher has pulled me aside privately and say, Hey, I'm gonna let you do this again.Gina Pulice (00:53:08):Yeah. So it's worked out very well for you. Oh,Larry Bates (00:53:12):Oh 100%. One crazy story. I was going to say something. Yeah.Jen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:53:18):I was just gonna say, um, favorite shows while you were there, that you did any failed that I did Or that I saw.Larry Bates (00:53:31):Our man, our second year, our second year, there was a series of shows that even still to this day, I, I it's, it's like been my best like theater experience. Not only being a part of stuff, but also just watching my, my classmates. And I want to believe, I think we, it was like this, there was like, we did Antigony. I think we did. Um, I wasn't in, and I'm just, I sure we did. Uh, I want to say it was, um, a diary of Anne Frank. We, we were in raising in the sun, um, would fill us with when we had like this, you know, crazy multi-device cast. Uh, uh, I, I played Walter in a third act and mama in the second act to Dave [inaudible] Walter. Second to the Dave Dastmalchian's, Walter in the second act. Um, t.Jen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:54:38):Phyllis was going for it, man. !Larry Bates (00:54:40):A man. Yeah. Uh, and then I want to say the other one was dark at the top of the stairs. I could be wrong. And I think Trudy might've directed it if I remember, but I remember that that year, just like just, I was just like, I, I am 100% in the right place. This is what I want to be consumed with for the rest of my life. I was just so inspired by, by the work we were doing and just seeing, just seeing what all, what, how just all my classmates, just like, I don't know. It just, it was just, it was just the most, it was, it was mad. It was magical to use it. I don't know to use it better.Gina Pulice (00:55:25):I love that. I love hearing about people's experience of feeling like just the mat, the magic gold nature of theater, which had always is it's even when you're doing something that you don't like, you don't like the play, you don't like your experience. There's always a moment, at least once on stage where you think, Oh yeah, this is legitimately magic right here.Larry Bates (00:55:46):And you know, and you know, I, uh, you know, saying like it wasn't until I was a high school that I started doing these tournaments and stuff, but I, but when I think about it now I've been an actor my whole life, and it's, I've always been drawn to it. Cause I can even remember being like I would do plays for, for church and for school. And I would always be picked to do it. And I was always really quick at learning the lines and doing it, but I never like thought of it as, Oh, this is a, this is something you can do. But I can remember being in elementary school and, uh, East Leesville elementary, uh, in Louisiana and the high school students came or we would, they would take us to the high school auditorium and we'd watch a play that the high schoolers were doing. And I remember, I think it was a Latin and I would love to go see this now having been in theater for as long as I've been here, because I bet you, it was probably just like, I mean, it probably wasn't the best production, but I was, I was mesmerized. I was just sitting there with my eyes wide mouth agape, just like this is. And I remember every year, just like, are we going to go back? Are we going to go back and see that again? Or are we going to go? I remember it was just so taken by it. I'm just like, Oh my God, I love this so much.Gina Pulice (00:56:57):Did you do kid shows at the theater school?Larry Bates (00:57:02):Oh, I did the kid show of all kids shows at the theater school. You'll understand. I did Peter pan. Peter pan was the one they did where they combined the showcase and the Playworks. And we did like, we did like this insane run where we, it was like longer than normal kid shows. Plus we did evening shows. It was, it was in sanitary.Jen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:57:26):Who did you play?Larry Bates (00:57:31):I mean, I was, I was, I was one of the, so, so Susan Lee's concept was we were all like, it took place in the city of Chicago. So, uh, so the lost boys were these preppy preppy kids, preppy like prep, school kids, the pirates where it's like, you know, this ragtag gang of folks. And we were this, uh, the Indians were this hip hop.Gina Pulice (00:58:03):Shana told us.Larry Bates (00:58:05):Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Cause if you were in that show, if you're in there, you remember it, but no. And um, so yeah, my, my character's name was SnickersGina Pulice (00:58:16):Cause you're all named after candy. Shane that's all this not yet.Larry Bates (00:58:18):We were all named after candy. I wrote a skateboard across the stage when they, when I was, when I was introduced and then I jumped out and every now and then I'd say under what the wigwam of glug law. And that was,Gina Pulice (00:58:33):Yeah, we were talking about how, uh, hip hop Indians was, is probably not a choice that looks so great in the rear view. 20 years later. It's a little off,Larry Bates (00:58:47):Maybe not, maybe, maybeJen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:58:51):You were the lead in six degrees, right? I was, I was direct to that. What was that experience? I saw that you were very good.Larry Bates (00:59:00):Thank, thank you. Thank you. And it was, it was, it was a great experience. It was, it was, it was weird cause I was precast in it, which was a, a weird thing, you know, you're just like, which I didn't ask to be. I just, I just show up one day and I was like, Larry Bates is precast is Paul in six degrees of separation. So it was just a thing around school that I had to deal with for a little bit. But, um, but here's the also, I'll tell you, this was a good learning experience too. And again, I just find myself fortunate to be on this end because I was pre-cast. This is crazy. You might think this is crazy. You might think this is crazy. I got to S I got to sit in on the audition.Gina Pulice (00:59:39):Wow. That is crazy. I want to hear everything.Jen Bosworth-Ramirez (00:59:43):Well, why didn't you cast me as the main lady?Larry Bates (00:59:46):Well, I didn't, he would, he would ask me, he would ask my opinion, but I don't think he was really listening to my opinion. And part of the reason why I was in there was, I mean, he might've been listened to my opinion, but I'm just saying, uh, part, I think part of the reason I was in there, cause sometimes he'd throw me up there and go, okay, Larry, go up there. So sometimes he would put me up there to work with someone to, um, but I will. It was, I, again, I think they should find a way to let actors do that in theater school, because it is, it is, uh, eye-opening um, experience as far as auditioning and that process, which, you know, for sometimes actors that's, I mean, not just sometimes I, you know, I, I still get, you know, a little bit of anxiety for auditions and stuff, but like the amount of times that I've been able to be on the other side and watch it, it just gives you a completely different perspective of it. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, and I, and I think there's a level of power that, um, I think there's a level of, of yeah. A power that is bestowed on the actor who who's able to have that experience because you look at it, you just look at it from a different perspective. Like there's nothing. Why am I nervous? Like everybody here wants you to be, I mean, you just really, you just really see it. You just really see it differently. And I, you know, I recently did it, um, on, um, on a play, a professional play out here. I was cast, uh, in couture Katori halls, uh, the mountain top where I was playing Martin Luther King and I was cast first. So I got to sit in on the, um, they wanted me to come in on the audition process and, and work with the ladies that came in. It's a two hander, it's a two person play and it's, and again, I still find, I still find it very invaluable because you can you realize that there's tons of reasons why you don't get picked that have, that have nothing to do with your, with your potential or your, your talent or any of that. I mean, literally I, when I did this thing out here, I'm seeing, I mean, there are women who are coming in here that are super prepared who were killing it. I mean, killing it. I'm like, this is there, there are talented, there are talented people here. And then, but the, the person who walked in who got it, it's, I don't know how to explain this. And you, you hear this, you know, in theater school and I kinda hate this kind of stuff because it gets actors and people in their heads. And I think that's not where you should be. But like we just knew, like she walked in, she started, it was like, Oh, that's, that's her. You just, you just knew it. So, and I hate, I, like I said, I hate that kind of stuff, because then you have actors trying to figure out how to, how to be that person. And I don't think it's, I don't think it's that because there were tons of super duper talented women that audition. But anyway, it's just always a nice thing as an actor, because to me, it frees me up a little bit to be like, I, I mean, I, I guess where my focus isn't so much on booking the job as much as I'm just going to go in here and play this scene the way I think the scene should be played. And if you cast me great, if you don't.Gina Pulice (01:02:54):Yeah, absolutely. It's such a trap to think you can always contort yourself into being the exact right person for a role, because really the reason that you got, if it's this case of a film or TV, where you got, where you got the audition at all is because you already met certain parameters that were needed for this role. And, and so, so you, you are supposed to be bringing yourself, but I, from my own experience, I can say I had no idea about that. I thought that my job was to always just be somebody else. And it wasn't until the first time I directed a play and I had auditions that I had the experience that you're describing, and yes, they should make people do that in theater school, they should have a direct thing.Larry Bates (01:03:33):Yeah, it was great. And because it's also better than, you know, and I'm not trying to go just to harp so much on like that exit class. Cause it's not just in that class, but you know, you, you know, everybody's always trying to give actors advice. Oh, and you don't want to do this and Ooh, you don't want to do that. You know, enough, look enough with all that stuff. Like it's not, I mean, look, it's hard. It's a hard business because it's a hard business, you know what I mean? But be your best self going in there and be fine with what happens, that's it, you know? Absolutely. It just makes it, I just get, I just get annoyed with all of the, because I can remember her going. Yeah. You want to be sure to do this because if not, they may cut the camera off on you. So now I'm like, I don't want them to cut the camera off. So now I'm obsessed. Now I'm obsessed with that, you know, or, or you get a scene and they go, well, in this, they gave you these two scenes. Cause in this scene, they want to see that you do this. And over here they want to see something. I ain't got time to be thinking all that, man, let me just read the same. How do I see the scene going? And then if they like me, they like me. If they don't, if they don't pick kick rocks, you know, come on, man.Gina Pulice (01:04:41):That that's something that we, we talked about a lot is the, the danger of teachers teaching something that they probably couldn't quite make a career for themselves because then it becomes about all of their insecurities about the ways in which they failed projected onto their students. And it does put everybody in a little bit of a flip out cage mentally. And it's, it's not a good, not a great way.Larry Bates (01:05:04):No, I agree. And I, and I actually think that was what was going on with, and again, with that particular yeah, exactly. Because I, and I think it was manifesting itself in other ways, or like trying to, you know, you, whatever her insecurities were or whatever, but, um, but yeah, no, I completely, I completely agree with you.Gina Pulice (01:05:22):So how did you find the whole showcase experience? Uh, I mean,Larry Bates (01:05:28):Nerve wracking crazy, you know, um, um, yeah, it, you know, it's, it's interesting to think about it in hindsight as opposed to, to being in it, but it's, it's so crazy. That can totally it's God, I mean, school was a while ago, but I can, I just, I can totally put myself back in that situation. I mean, it was, I mean, it was exciting because we were graduating and, and uh, for, for me, I mean, like I got to go to New York. That's cool. I've never, I'd never been to New York, California, so there's, there's, there's kind of something cool about the travel of it all, you know,Jen Bosworth-Ramirez (01:06:11):Larry, what did you do for showcase what monologue?Larry Bates (01:06:14):I did? Uh, I did, um, Toledo from my Rainey's black bottom by monologue steel. That monologue still, sir. Well, I haven't used it in a little while, but it served me a lot out here too. But, but yeah, but, but I was just saying it was, it was a little, it was a little nerve wracking, but you know, it was, it was great. It was great to do the travel and stuff. And, and I, I did, I did well in Chicago. I did well in LA um, New York. I did. Okay. I mean, I, I, I had some connections over there, but I was not feeling New York at all. So I was just, just too crazy for me, just too crazy. Um, and I'm already a little add, so it was just, I just feel like I'm like going crazy out there. Um, so, so yeah, and, and I, I, I stayed in Chicago initially because that's what they told you to do. Even though I had like really great contacts in LA and when I got off the plane, I was like, Oh, I want to move here. This is where I want to be. But I was like, Oh, you're supposed to stay in Chicago. Cause that's what they say to do. Stay here too. You can. And I met a manager in LA who would, would, um, get me auditions for my Chicago agents to put me on tape for. And I got close to, I want to say it was the West wing, I think, uh, when they were, uh, the Charlie care, I think his name was Charlie, Charlie character. And, um, yeah, he was like, you need to be out in LA man. Cause they, they wanted, the producers wanted to see me, but I was like, I can't fly out there tomorrow just for an audition. I can't do that. You know, it's like, what is why you need to be here? And I was like, well, why am I in Chicago waiting when I got people in LA? So I just went to LA andJen Bosworth-Ramirez (01:08:00):Why did they tell us it's Chicago? WhyLarry Bates (01:08:05):No, it's part of this whole fear mongering thing they do at the end of school. Where do you want to be? Do you want to go to New York where you want to be in Chicago? Well, you don't want to go too early because you want to . Shut up. Like what have you, what did you want to move back to your hometown and started theater there? Like who cares? Yeah,Gina Pulice (01:08:22):I think they probably also were keen to have a bunch of graduates doing well in Chicago theater. I mean, that, that was probably a self-serving thing on their part.Larry Bates (01:08:34):Yeah. That does make sense. And that's a little annoying because I don't need you to be serving yourselves, help serve the students. Do you know what I mean?Gina Pulice (01:08:42):So have you stayed in touch with like what's all the changes that have happened at the theater school since you've leftLarry Bates (01:08:50):A little bit, a little bit. I mean, I'll periodically, um, I mean I was in Chicago, like I was there at the Goodman doing a show a couple of years ago when I went to the new, um, the new building and my Lord it's it's, it's, it's fricking gorgeous. Um, and, uh, my buddy, uh, Bobby Z who graduated with me, teaches there now. So I'm always, always gets a chance to always, I always get a chance to talk to him and kinda, you know, I mean, I, I I'm, I'm proud of where I went to school, you know what I mean? Like, um, so I, I, I love like keeping up on what's what's going on over there. What are you working on now? Uh, I'm not doing it. I mean, I'm, I'm about to workshop, uh, a play for South coast, uh, in like a week or two. I just got done doing something at the Kirk Douglas. And before that I did, um, I, one of the first, uh, filmed stage productions under the whole COVID guidelines down at, um, San Diego rep, uh, this play called JQ a by Aaron Posner, which is pretty goodGina Pulice (01:09:55):Is he the one who wrote Stupid Fucking bird?Larry Bates (01:09:58):Yes. Yes he is. Yes. I think that is his play. Yeah.Gina Pulice (01:10:01):Was that, was that a good play, Jake JQLLarry Bates (01:10:05):Yeah, the play, the play is, the play is, is, is, is pretty fantastic. I mean, Ella just elevated language. I played there's, there's a, there's a four actor. There's four actors. We all play John Quincy Adams at one point or another. Um, but I played JQ way, Andrew Jackson and, um, Frederick Douglas. So, uh, and it's, I mean, it's just like each scene as a two hander. Um, it's, it's, it's a good play. It, it, it was it's, it's a, it's a challenging play just because it's, I mean, it's so it's so much to it and, uh, very language, uh, driven, like, you know, so it's just so much dialogue, so it's just a lot to, to kind of, to digest and make your own, but it was also just, you know, we were doing it under COVID guidelines, which is in, which is, which is in, which was insane. And especially for a play. And we were in, you know, in person rehearsing with masks on keeping distancing. It was just a lot going on. And I wouldn't say that so much the problem, But, you know, you're all you are on heightened alert because you, you know, you don't want to catch COVID. So it's like, you know, you have these protocols in place and then like, how well are they following the protocols? Like, who was that random person that just walked in here? Why don't they have, you know, stuff like that, you know, which, which is just adds a level of, uh, at least for me adds a level of stress.Gina Pulice (01:11:35):Yeah. In general, do you prefer working on theater or film or TV? Do you have a preference?Larry Bates (01:11:44):Um, I mean, I prefer to money from TV and film a hundred percent. I mean, it's just, it's just lovely. I love doing, I love doing plays. I love doing plays because to me, what I love most about, uh, theater is, is the process and the relationships. Like, I just love like that a group of people get together and for a desired amount of time, we just work on something, you know? And what's great. What I love about it is even if we don't see each, even if we don't talk all the time, cause it's not like we all have to become best friends, but when we do see each other, it's like, I mean, it's like, Hey, we have this, like, we have this like wonderful shared life experience. And it's, I mean, it really is pretty full too because you're, you're investigating life and what you're doing. So I just kind of that's, that's what I love. And I just, you know, TV, you go on your shoot something and you see somebody, they may not even remember you, you know what I'm saying? And I, I kinda liked the connections and I liked the human contact. I mean, that's, that's the reason why I love to do it. I love the relationships that I make. I love that even more than, than like, you know, I mean, it's nice when you do something and people say, Hey, good job. And they remember your work. So that, that stuff is appreciated. But I just, I just love the people that I've met and the experiences that we've had. And I, I mean that sincerely, I'm not, I mean, it really sucks.Gina Pulice (01:13:18):I think you it's. Uh, so we talked to Jess Hannah who lives in LA, who does all theater. I don't think she does anything, but yeah, but I haven't, we haven't really talked to too many people who kind of quickly went out to LA and have done film and television, but have continued to do both. Most people tend to go one way or the other.Larry Bates (01:13:39):Yeah. I, I feel very, I feel very fortunate. I mean, it's, uh, yeah, I mean, I, I'm fortunate enough to, to, to, to, um, to get, to do some stuff down at South coast, South coast repertory down in Costa Mesa. And I just, I just would say yes, I would just say yes to everything. I mean, it's a, it's a bit of a hike down there. I can remember. I think my first gig down there, it was like a reading. They were like, can you come and do this reading? It was like four day reading. Maybe it was like, maybe pay me like 400 bucks. I didn't have a car when I moved out to LA I didn't have a car either. Um, and I remember renting a car, which I think costs me $400 for the car. You know what I mean? Just to drive down there to make $400, but, you know, I just would do whatever I can it's so, so I will say it was nice to find a nice little home there and, and what's great is there's a lot of, um, You know, I mean, a lot of actors, a lot of new playwrights and directors kinda kinda come through there and, you know, I've, I've worked there pretty consistently, um, for, for the last like 20 years, you know what I mean? I've done a number of shows down there and what's nice now I would say, and I mean, knock on some wood that it continues is I've made enough relationships. There's enough people who were fans of my work there that like, you know, these people move on to other places, so I'll get a call going, Hey, uh, such and such at, uh, you know, Arizona theater company is interested in if you're interested in this or, um, you know, like, um, you know, I think the Goodman kinda worked that way and, and I've been able to do shows at Denver center, um, Cincinnati Playhouse, actually, that was where I got my equity card, but that was, that was, that was different than South coast, but steel. Um, so yeah, I feel, I feel, I feel, I feel fortunate. So it's been, it's been nice and opportunities for theater, um, continue to come up and, and also with the theaters in LA, like, um, and Taz company, you know, it's just, it just, it just kind of opens you up to that world. And I feel like when you really get in that, when you really get in that world, that kind of, you know, a lot of people say, LA doesn't have a theater scene and it really, really does. It really does. It's not to say that there's not, you know, you know, people putting up plays just to showcase themselves, but there is a, there is a theater scene here, and what's also great about that as a lot of the people that do that work in TV and film, and then that kind of leads to otherJen Bosworth-Ramirez (01:16:16):Work and stuff. Do you ever want to direct or do you direct for theater?Larry Bates (01:16:23):Um, I have not. I mean, I, I don't, I don't know yet. I was thinking about, I was thinking about this the other day because, Um, Because I was working on something and I just had a lot of time of sitting there and watching and, and, um, people are doing stuff and I'm having ideas and stuff, but I, and I think, I don't think so. And here's why I say that because I, what I want to do was get up and do it not like it's, it's not fulfilling to me to go, Hey, cause I found myself going, Oh no, I feel like I would just continually get up and go here. This, this is what, this is what you should, you know, and that's a hard thing to ever come. Yay. Yeah. So I'm an actor. Oh yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, uh, I have like aspirations with that and I'm constantly working on projects and stuff like that. And in selling shows and stuff like that. SoGina Pulice (01:17:19):It's hard to get your foot in the door writing, isn't it,Larry Bates (01:17:23):It it's, it's hard. So I'm not, so let me, let me, let me, let me say this. I haven't, as far as writing goes, So, so, okay. So I've had some success out here. Like I did sell a show, I sold a show, but it was more unscripted stuff. So that was one of the things I did when I first moved out here because you know, when acting was slow, it was just coming up with concepts. And I had an uncle out here who was like crazy TV guy. And he's like, man, all of these ideas are or write them down, man. These are all shows. So I have like a production company. We've got some hooks in kind of the unscripted world. So I've sold several of those, those projects and, um, and scripted. Sure. I'm kinda moving toward that, that now. And yes, it is, it is difficult. It is difficult. It is difficult to get, get stuff in the right people's hands and to, to, to get things moving and so forth as well. But I mean, it's not my, I don't, it's, it's hard for me to say how difficult it is because I'm, it's not my number one goal. And I just, I, you know, I respect people who put the time and energy and that's their discipline, you know what I mean? To make it seem like, Oh yeah, it's hard. And I've, I've, you know, I like, I come up with concepts, we, you know, put together a nice little look book and be like, who can we shoot this to? You know what I mean? You know, my, my wife's a writer and I know I see the amount of time and energy that she puts into it. So I'm not, I'm not at that level at all. I will say that. Do I add that those aspirations? Yes. But my problem is I started working on a project and then some kind of acting project comes up. And then my, um, my focus is just brutal.Speaker 7 (01:18:58):You're an actor. You mean like that's, you're, you're an actor. I think it's fantastic that you are. Yeah. You're the only person we've talked to that has tons of theater credits and, uh, film, TV credits post-graduation and um, I know you said like, you know, you said yes to everything, but like if, if people want to do both, what would you say? Just say yes to everything in LA, like cook up with people. How do people do that?Larry Bates (01:19:29):Yeah. Well, I would say, Yeah, I would say yes to, I would say yes to the degree, but it just, it depends on where I at first, I just think you need to, I want to be careful cause I don't want to, I don't want to, you know, I, I respect everybody's hustle out here and I'm talking about actual theater companies and stuff, but I think there are, in my opinion, you learn out here, there are particular theater companies in LA that are worthwhile, that are worth your time, in my opinion. So find out what those, what those companies are because the people that work at those companies work everywhere. They work at taper Geffin, uh, South coast, you know what I mean? They work, they work at the big Apple. They work at the big equity houses. If that's what you're into. Cause some people, you know, you, you can, you can do theater, not at those big equity houses, but for me, I want to, I want to do work at those big equity houses, make some money, you know what I'm saying? Um, so what I would say is find out the theaters that are worthwhile because I feel like there are some out here that just really just exploit actors, their, their work for their own stuff. And no one's really interested in seeing you, you know, do more, but, but particularly what's, what's important is the relationships you make at those theater companies. Because I th I just having worked so much throughout it, there's so much crossover and, and, and, and that stuff also bleeds into TV and to film, you know what I mean? It's just, I think one of the, one of the challenges and the challenges in LA is, you know, there is the theater community here, but like the game in town is TV and film. Do you know what I'm saying? So it's, it's just hard. It's just hard because you know, if TV and film comes knocking, you know, you're not going to, you know, you got to go answer that. You gotta go answer the door. So it's just balancing that and finding, finding the right places where they really do care about the craft. And there are, there are them, I mean, impasse, a Dina, um, you know, as it did play out as Boston court, and if any place I'm leaving, I was just, cause I'm leaving now. It's not like, it's not that it's not, it's not there. Just, I can't name them all. But like, there's a lot of places where like, there are, you know, I feel like places that are, are, are worth your while. I mean, Pasadena Playhouse is an equity house. So that, um, that would be, yeah,Jen Bosworth-Ramirez (01:21:59):You're a man that knows how to keep relationships. That's right. That's right.Gina Pulice (01:22:06):Larry, this has been fantastic. Thank you.Gina Pulice (01:22:15):I survived theater school is an Undeniable, Ink. production. Jen Bosworth, Ramirez and Gina Pulice are the co-hosts. This episode was produced, edited and sound mixed by Gina Pulice. 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Fees, fees, and more fees - Beat the Bank with Larry Bates
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Founder of Vanguard John C. Bogle said "The miracle of compounding returns is overwhelmed by the tyranny of compounding costs" because he understood the disastrous effects of fees on your investment portfolio. My guest Mr. Larry Bates agrees with him and also shares his thoughts about investing in Canada, especially for Healthcare Professionals.
223 What the Banks Don't Want You to Know About Investing - Larry Bates, Author of Beat the Bank
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Having spent 35 years in the investment business in both Toronto and London, Larry Bates knows a thing or two about how the banks operate and how to be a savvy investor. Which is what inspired him to write his book , which is all about how to beat the bank at their own game…namely getting rich off you, not helping you get rich! In his book, Larry provides insight into how the investment industry in Canada works, and how best to achieve higher returns through the use of better investment products. In other words, it’s time to stop investing in high-fee actively-managed mutual funds from the bank in favour of index funds or index-ETFs using a robo-advisor or self-directed investing using a discount brokerage. Seeing as this podcast is in its 10th season, I’ve interviewed hundreds of authors and money experts on this show, but I’ve gotta say, if you’re Canadian and you’re looking for a good intro to investing book, this is it! This is my new go-to recommendation (in addition to my other favourites like Millionaire Teacher by Andrew Hallam, Wealthing Like Rabbits by Robert Brown, and The Value of Simple by John Robertson). If you want to start your investing journey and want a non-dry book on investing in Canada, you need to grab this book. You will not be disappointed! Also, don’t forget, I’m giving away a copy of his book! To enter to win you just have to visit . For full episode show notes, visit https://jessicamoorhouse.com/223
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Beat The Bank: Understanding How Investment Fees Work, with Larry Bates
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To kick things off on a good note for 2019, I’ve arranged a book giveaway with Larry where you can enter for free for a chance to win one of 3 signed copies of Larry’s book. This is obviously for a limited time, the giveaway ends at the end of February 2019, so be sure to sign up now for a free chance to win. To enter the giveaway, just go to buildwealthcanada.ca/beatthebank Get Your Free 1-Year Subscription to Canadian MoneySaver Magazine Lastly, don’t forget to claim your free 1-year digital subscription to Canadian MoneySaver Magazine (Canada’s largest personal finance and investing magazine). The magazine features Canada’s top experts on personal finance and investing, and is a great place to learn best practices, and stay up to date on changes that will impact your investments and financial situation for years to come, specifically here in Canada. To get that, all you have to do is open up a free savings account with my favourite bank (and the bank that I personally use, EQ bank). The reason that I personally use EQ bank, is that they have one of the highest interest savings rates in Canada. In fact, over all the years that I’ve been with them, I’ve seen them consistently be almost double the interest rate compared to other online banks, and well over double the interest rate compared to the major brick and mortar banks that we have here in Canada. Plus it’s free to sign up and keep an account with them, so you’re not paying a monthly fee as you do with many of the other banks out there. As a bonus you also get 5 free Interac e-transfers every month! Because of those reasons, I’ve been with them ever since they launched in Canada years ago, and it’s where I keep my entire emergency fund and spending money. To get the free account and a 1 year free subscription to Canadian MoneySaver magazine, just go to buildwealthcanada.ca/eq, open the free account, and once you’re done, forward any email that you get from EQ to email@example.com and I’ll send you a coupon code that gets you a free one year subscription to the magazine. Enjoy, thanks for supporting the show, and now let’s get into the episode. Questions Asked During the Interview: Tell us your story and what your new book is about? What inspired you to write the book? Now that you’re retired, what do you personally hold in your portfolio? Let’s talk about doing passive index investing through ETFs vs selecting individual stocks. What do you see as the pros and cons of these approaches and what do you personally do? When it comes to evaluating individual stocks, a common concern that investors have is what if the stock they are considering is overvalued, and they end up overpaying for it. What precautions, due diligence and research do you personally do before investing in any particular stock? If you were instead doing a much earlier retirement, like in your 30s or 40s, how would you tweak that strategy? For the bond portion of your portfolio, what kind of bonds do you recommend? Long vs short term? Canadian vs international? What are your thoughts on the criticisms of the S&P TSX (i.e. The Canadian Index). For index investors, should we be adjusting our portfolio for the shortcomings of this index? (i.e. The sector concentration). Adjusting for this inherently adds complexity to our portfolio, so is it worth it? What are your thoughts on using bonds vs GICs vs a combination of the two, particularly for those in traditional retirement and early retirement? What are your thoughts on the 4 percent rule and safe withdraw rate for traditional retirement age retirees vs early retirees? Going back to your book, one of my favourite parts was how you broke down investment portfolio optimization to just 6 core areas to focus on. Can you talk about each of those? Where can we get your book, and how can we learn more about you and see more of your work? If you liked the episode sign up for free to receive all new episodes as they get released, news on giveaways, and the free guide on the Top 5 Personal Finance and Productivity Tools.
048 Larry Bates, after 35 years in banking he turns investor advocate
Alain Guillot Show
http://www.alainguillot.com/larry-bates/ Larry spent over 35 years in the investment banking business. At the end of his career, Larry became concerned with the fees the banking industry was charging regular Canadians, stripping away most of the gains they could have received from their investments. After leaving the banking industry, Larry decided to become an investor advocate and help Canadian investors get better returns for their money, so he wrote the book "Beat The Bank."