436: Why wood fire with Joy Brown, Kate Waltman, John Neely, and Garth Johnson
Tales of a Red Clay Rambler: A pottery and ceramic art podcast
Today on the Tales of a Red Clay Rambler Podcast we have a live episode that was taped as part of the Envision: Woodfire NC conference in May 2022. Guest host Garth Johnson talks with Joy Brown, Kate Waltman, and John Neely about their use of wood firing as an aesthetic tool, as well as a discussion on the environmental and cultural impacts of the practice. Today’s episode is brought to you by the following sponsors: For the past 100 years, AMACO Brent has been creating ceramic supplies for our community ranging from underglazes to electric kilns, and they have no plans of slowing down. www.amaco.com
E108: An Ever Evolving Career, Guest, Dr. John Neely
Changing the Rules
Transcription:00:02Welcome to changing the rules, a weekly podcast about people who are living their best lives, and advice on how you can achieve that too. Join us with your lively host, Ray Lowe, better known as the luckiest guy in the world.Ray Loewe00:17Hello, everybody, and welcome to our podcast, changing the rules. We're here at our brand new studios in Willow Street. We're here with our engineer, Luke Cagn0, who makes everything work for us. And thank you, Luke, for being here. And we're here with a great guest today. But I want to give you a little background before we start on changing the rules. You know, throughout our lives we're given rule after rule after rule. It started with our parents, it went to the church and went to the schools and went to our jobs. And everybody's got rules that they throw at us. And some of them are pretty good rules, and we want to keep them and some of them become irrelevant over time. But we have this body of rules that we have to get through. And I think it was Steve Jobs that said, when you're living your life by other people's rules, you're not living your own life. So we encourage you to go through the rules and pick the ones that are really pertinent to you. And we have today one of the luckiest people in the world that we're interviewing, and we define the luckiest people in the world as those people who take control of their own lives, design them to their own specs, and then live them under their own terms. And Dr. John Neely is with us today. And John is a medical doctor. He started his career as a pediatric oncologist. And you're gonna have to define that for us John and welcome to the world of podcasting.Dr. John Neely01:45Great, thanks so much glad to be here. So you want to know about pediatric oncologist? Well, when I went to medical school, actually, which was up in Hershey, you know, when you go to medical school, you're exposed to so many different things. And I for a while thought about surgery, I liked orthopedic surgery quite a bit. But what really caught my eye was taking care of children. And when I realized that I wanted to become a pediatrician. And I was influenced by some of the patients that I saw who were seriously ill at the time. And when I did my residency out in Minnesota, it was one of the bastions of teaching for pediatric oncology. And some of the very first patients that I saw there were patients that had serious oncologic issues. But it just touched my heart when I saw these patients, and I realized, for me, I could do general pediatrics, it's enjoyable enough, but I wanted to do something really challenging. And back in the day, I was encouraged because we were curing about 50% of children with cancer, which meant, of course, 50% were dying. So it was still a somewhat challenging and can be very depressing. But now we're up to about 85 to 90% cure rate. Oh, wow. So we now can tell most families, your child has something serious, we have a game plan for how to take care of it. And the odds are really high that they're going to be cured.Ray Loewe03:15All right. Now you told me while we're prepping for this, about an experience that you had walking down the street one of these days, why don't you tell us about that? Because that puts it all in perspective, I think?Dr. John Neely03:27Well, you know, I think one of the advantages for me of staying in Hershey to throughout most of my oncology career was I took care of a lot of patients and, and I didn't move away. So the odds of my running into them, and some of them I've are close friends with were pretty high. So here I was two years. Well, just before COVID I was at the Fulton Theatre. And they were doing the one of my favorite Christmas plays about the Red Ryder BB gun. And you know, and all of that.Ray Loewe03:57Cleveland, Ohio, right, yeah.Dr. John Neely03:59And it was intermission. And suddenly this guy comes up to me, who has I think two or three children in tow young kids. And he was probably about 40 at the time. And he comes in introduces himself. And of course, I didn't recognize him because I hadn't seen him since he was about 12. And, but I knew right away who he was. And I had taken care of him with leukemia. And not only was he cured of this, but he you know, we think about can you ever have children after therapy and all that? Well, he's living a normal, productive life has at least three kids of his own. And he just came up and said, You know, I saw you over there. You haven't changed as much as I've changed, and he wanted to say hi and thank me.Ray Loewe04:45Wow, what a rewarding career. So so it was all worthwhile. But you haven't stayed there have youDr. John Neely04:51No, and to get to kind of your thoughts about what do you do with rules? I remember because I was the chief of the division of pediatric oncology and a colleague in surgery came up to me at a meeting and he said, What what's your plan for, for advancing and I said, you know, I want to develop this program to the point that it has grown beyond my capabilities. Because I'm very good at patient care and, and some community things. But an area that needed to be spiffed up was research. And I said I want to work the division to the point where it needs somebody beyond what I can do. And that's exactly what happened, I became, I knew that somebody else needed to take over and I was getting very interested in other parts of medicine and leadership. And I made a decision to step down from the Division Chiefship, I still saw some patients, but I started to focus on other areas of medicine.Ray Loewe05:51Okay, so what are they? How did you ever divert your career? And then one of the things that is important as you go through this is that again, I mean, you exude luckiness. You're our definition of the luckiest people in the world over here. Because you, you follow what's fascinating and motivating to you and you make things happen. So what are these areas? How did you find them? And where are you?Dr. John Neely06:17Well, you know, it's an it's kind of like a pioneering spirit. Because I think one of the rules that I've had to struggle with is, because I was always told as a child, you can't fail, you have to get, you have to get straight A's, you have to do this and that. And I've set myself up in careers where there was a high likelihood of failing, because either it was something so innovative, that it wasn't the time wasn't quite ripe for it, or I grew something beyond my capability. So I wanted to move on. So it's been very difficult to say, Hey, I failed, that was a success. You know, that's an interesting thing to look at.Ray Loewe06:55Yes, it is, you know, and that's one of the things that I've learned over life, too, is that if you don't push yourself enough to fail, you're not learning. And I have two different kinds of days. I either have a great day, or I have a learning day, John. Okay.Dr. John Neely07:10That's the way I'm with golf to by the way. That's an impossible task. Yes. So I've kind of done two things since then I, you know, the way people advance in my career is typically they move to a new institution, and then they do the same thing again, you know, they may advance in their academic standing. But, you know, my opportunity would have been to say, I've done pediatric oncology here, now, I'm going to go do it at a different institution, or perhaps become a department chair, which is a different skill set. What I did differently was I decided to stay in the same institution, but to switch a career within that. So I got very interested in some of the things in medicine that I found to be short-sighted because we are trained incredibly well to take care of acute illness. So if you have a heart attack, or if you are in an auto accident, our health care system is the place to be it's the best in the world. But if you are struggling with a family history of heart disease, or diabetes, or there's a tendency to autoimmune diseases, we don't do a lot about the preventative aspects or looking at the whole body as to how they're going to respond. Instead, we throw pills at it. And that's just the nature of how we're trained. It's the nature of how we're reimbursed. So I've spent a lot of time trying to understand holistically how people can bring their life back into balance by having their different systems in their body optimized for function. And then, because my goal is people should, and we always talk about life expectancy as well, I am looking for what's called a health expectancy, I want somebody to live in a healthy, active, meaningful way to the very end of their life. And then they have a relatively short period of time where they may fail. But issues such as cognitive decline, or chronic heart disease, or chronic lung disease, are things that we need to spend more time trying to prevent.Ray Loewe09:16Okay, so where are we with this? What are we doing as a country? And what are you doing specifically?Dr. John Neely09:23Well, I've joined several different groups I've learned. I've done some certifications in what's called integrative medicine, some of which is very helpful, and some of which is not so well proven. And one of my goals is to help guide patients to these are things you can do that might really help and these are some things that you should steer clear of. So I've done that and then I've focused on a specific area of integrative medicine that's got a stupid name, but I can't figure in another name. It's called functional medicine. And, but the gist of it is instead of looking at systems like we look at in medicine, we you know, if you go to the doctor, they always do this review of systems. How are your eyes? Our your lymph glands? How's your heart? You know, and all of that the systems and functional medicine are? How do you take in the most nutritious food and digest and absorb it? What are the rules for what you should be eating and how you should absorb it and how you should protect your gut is an important part for nowadays is how do you feed and nourish your immune system so that when you are hit with something like COVID, you have the best possible chance of fighting that off. And then another area that is important is the environment. What are we doing with environmental chemicals and toxins and all that, that we have to detoxify?Ray Loewe10:51So where are we with that? And what kind of support do you have to do this kind of stuff?Dr. John Neely10:56Well, this is the uphill fight in a way because many of these things are looked at in medicine as Yeah, we know that's important. But we don't have time for that we don't have we're not trained for that. And so I've spent a lot of time and I still do teaching fellow faculty members, fellow doctors about some of the principles of holistic care as it fits into standard western medicine. Now I have some interest in things like traditional Chinese medicine, or Indian or Vedic medicine, I have work some working knowledge of it, but I am not a practitioner of those. But I can help people understand when they're approached with, with some questions about that. I deal a lot with the Amish, for example, who are wonderful people, they are very common sense. And they but they also are interested in natural approaches to things. So a lot of my work with them is saying, we have some things in standard western medicine that would help you but I want to help you with natural medicines that could help things go better for you and help you boost your immune system so we can work together and integrate care, you're going to be my new doctor here John. Well, that you know, that's why we were talking that a goal. Yeah, it's been, wouldn't it be interesting to do some podcasting on these types of topics or even lectures, so, and I'm a teacher at heart, okay, I you know, I'm in an academic medical center, I still love to teach. I'm doing some coursework here at Willow Valley. And that's,Ray Loewe12:31well, let's make a commitment to do that. But I want to probe into something else because you also talked a little bit about communication, and how to improve things. And I know you're doing some stuff here in terms of teaching people how to communicate better. So talk to me about where you're going there. Dr. John Neely12:47Well, that went back. And two ways with my medical career. One was, there's research out there that shows that the time between you go into a doctor's office, and they interrupt you, and don't listen is around seven seconds. So nobody ever has a chance to tell their story, their own medical story. And teaching doctors how to just sit back and listen and have the time to listen is so important. And the number of times in my holistic practice where I have somebody come in and start and I'm sitting there and starting to tell their story. And about five minutes into it, they cry. And they say you're the first person that has ever listened to me. So a lot of this is how do you practice listening? Now from the difficult conversation standpoint, that grew out of some of my teaching of leadership, what is the what are the principles of a sound conversation? What's the difference between a discussion, which by the way, rhymes with the same root word is percussion and concussion. So you can see that a discussion tends to be a back and forth, kind of a fight going on, like percussion or concussion, as opposed to dialogue, which in Greece means to flow through. So teaching how to listen and how to balance a conversation so that new ideas can flow through the group rather than just having a battle back and forth are the principles that I'm trying to teach.Ray Loewe14:20Okay, so here you are, you're in, I'm gonna say, a new phase of your career. I mean, you're phasing out of the oncology you'll never phase out of it. But you'll do less and less. And you've got the interest in preventative medicine, general health care, how do we take better care of ourselves, and this concept of dialogue, so where are we going with all this?Dr. John Neely14:47Well, you mean me personally. Ray Loewe14:48Yeah, we're you gonna take this?Dr. John Neely14:50Well, I do see that at some point, I will fade out I would say, I call it a glide path out of my career, although I still enjoy seeing my colleagues and seeing some patients. But that's becoming less and less of an issue for me, and I just see myself working with some of these other principles. Now, again, I am not so inclined at this point in time to spend day after day seeing patients, because I think might be, I would be better, my talents would be better served in some kind of a lecture type series, we're going to be perfect for broadcasting in some way or another. And then doing some small teaching, the idea of having good conversations, I'm currently doing it with a group of about 21 people here. I would love to see this applied to virtually anybody on the campus, including team members and administration so that we can all learn to converse together and learn together.Ray Loewe15:52So I'm going to change your name from Dr. John to Professor John over here. OkayDr. John Neely15:56You can call me the professor like Gilligan's Island.Ray Loewe15:59Yeah, you know, unfortunately, we're at the end of our time, and we're going to have to do a repeat on this because I think any one of these topics we could spend a whole session on. And I really am kind of interested in this. How do you take better care of yourself? Overall, as opposed to just fighting the battle of here's a symptom, let's get rid of the symptoms. And so let's make a commitment to do that somewhere along the line. And, you know, I want to thank you so much for being here. I think your career is a model for people. And I think it's an important model. You know, here you are you had your career, and most people stay in that kind of a career forever. I mean, after all, you're a pediatric. I'm going to stumble over my pediatric oncologist over here. But you're not satisfied with that. And you're moving on to new things. And you're still a young man. And as we I bet in another 20 years, you're still going to be working on this stuff. To the degree I can, I will be cool. So thanks. Excuse me here. Thanks, everybody, for listening. We've been with John Neely and Luke why don't you sign us off and we'll see you all here next week. Great.17:11Thank you for listening to changing the rules. Join us next week for more conversation, our special guest and to hear more from the luckiest guy in the world.
April 21st 2022 - Bob DeLuca; John Dalen and John Neely
Heart of the East End
Bob DeLuca, Thoughtful Thursday Underwritten by Guild HallBob DeLuca has been the president and CEO of the Group for the East End for three decades now, spurring an environmental organization that has made an enormous difference throughout the East End for half a century this year. No matter the initiative, the Group has lent its support, hustling behind the scenes to, for example, start the Community Preservation Fund, which has, at press time, raised nearly two billion dollars and preserves thousands of acres of land through the East End towns via a two-percent real estate sales tax. Bob comes on-air with Gianna Volpe ahead of Earth Day to discuss his action despite impact approach to conservation/preservation.Eastport FD Assistant Chief John Dalen and Westhampton Beach FD member John Neely, HOTsounds Underwritten by William RIS GalleryEastport Fire Department Assistant Chief Dalen and Westhampton FD member John Neely joins Gianna Volpe on-air to discuss some finer points of joining one’s local fire department ahead of this weekend’s RecruitNY initiative, which has added thousands of new members to volunteer fire departments throughout the state. (More info at recruitny.org) An emphasis of today’s conversation: There is no upper age limit for joining one’s local department as there are many types of “jobs” available to perform, including that of fire police, an important support role that includes directing traffic and protecting the borders of an emergency scene, which protects the public, as well as members performing a rescue.
Notes with Neely... MF and Travis sit down with John Neely.
The Great Awakening a Brown to Green Podcast
The guys sit down with John Neely from Mountain Home Idaho. John tells the story of when 3 men who he thought were passing through, showed up one day for a bible study. Little did he know the Lord was about to relight a fire for making disciples. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/great-awakening-by-b2g/message
Crazy Cases with Dr. John Neely - You're not gonna die today!
The Doc Lounge Podcast
On this episode, Dr. John Neely takes us back to an unusual case he had during residency. This was the type of case that Dr. Neely will never forget, as it gave him an entire new way to approach diagnosing. This case involves a 24 year old female with post-delivery blindness and rapid health deterioration. Don't want to give to much away, so listen to Dr. Neely's episode to find out how the case unfolds. Hosted by: Summer Gilbert & Chris Kahl www.pacificcompanies.com More about Dr. Neely I graduated from the Joan C. Edwards School of Medicine at Marshall University Medical University in Huntington, WV in 2009 and specialize in both internal and emergency medicine. I am double board certified, have ten years of clinical experience and, currently practice ER at Mercy Hospital in Bakersfield, CA. I am the co-founder and CEO of CrossRoads Pharmaceuticals. We are based in Santa Monica, CA and working to develop and bring to market a novel, safe, and highly effective therapy for obesity and Type II diabetes. CrossRoads is built on the back of an idea I had in my residency. I made a clinical observation that has led me to believe there may be a powerful, natural, yet unexplored solution to the obesity epidemic. Get a hold of Dr. Neely at the link below. https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-neely-32833036/
267: The state of wood firing education with John Neely, Matthew Blakely, Pascal Geoffroy, Sandy Lockwood, and Linda Lid
Tales of a Red Clay Rambler: A pottery and ceramic art podcast
Today on the Tales of a Red Clay Rambler Podcast I have a panel on education featuring John Neely, Matthew Blakely, Pascal Geoffroy, Sandy Lockwood, and Linda Lid. The panelists discuss how they came to learn wood firing and the current status of the firing technique in educational institutions in Australia, the United States, and Western Europe. To see examples of the panelists work and find out more about each artist visit www.culturalconfluencewoodfiresymposium.com/artists. The lecture was given at the Cultural Confluence Wood Fire Symposium, held in Helena, MT in October 2018. Hey Red Clay Rambler fans, I want to take a minute to talk to you about our sustaining membership program. As we head into 2019, I want to appeal to you directly to help us meet our new goal of having 120 patrons by April 1st. I’m asking you to make a $5 pledge today at patreon.com/redclayrambler. That’s only $1.25 per episode to help me document the field of ceramics. This new goal will help me record interviews with Canadian artists on my upcoming trip in April. If you prefer you can make a one-time donation through the Pay Pal portal at www.talesofaredclayrambler.com. If you have been thinking about getting involved don’t wait any longer. Every dollar helps, and no donation is too small. Thanks again for supporting the podcast!
262: International wood firing extravaganza with Lindsay Oesterritter, Nancy Fuller, Robin Dupont, Zac Chalmers, Tristan Chambaud-Heraud, Shikamaru Takeshita, John Neely and Linda Lid
Tales of a Red Clay Rambler: A pottery and ceramic art podcast
Today on the Tales of a Red Clay Rambler Podcast I have a mega panel discussion on the state of wood firing around the world. We start by talking about gender dynamics in the artists home countries before moving onto the environmental impact of firing and finding one’s voice in the process. The panel features Lindsay Oesterritter (USA), Nancy Fuller (SCT), Robin Dupont (CAN), Zac Chalmers (AUS), Tristan Chambaud-Heraud (FRA), Shikamaru Takeshita (JPN), John Neely (USA), and Linda Lid (NOR). For more information on each artist visit www.culturalconfluencewoodfiresymposium.com/artists. The panel was recorded at the Cultural Confluence Wood Fire Symposium, held in Helena, MT in October 2018. I want to send a special thank you to the Studio Potter Journal for sponsoring this episode of the podcast. Since 1972, the Studio Potter non-profit organization has promoted the discussion of technology, criticism, aesthetics, and history within the ceramic’s community, through their semi-annual print and online journal. Many guests of this podcast have written for the journal and you can find those articles along with more information and more information about how to subscribe at www.studiopotter.org.
260: John Neely on the development of the Train Kiln
Tales of a Red Clay Rambler: A pottery and ceramic art podcast
Today on the Tales of a Red Clay Rambler Podcast I have a lecture from John Neely about the evolution of the Train Kiln. Neely developed this unique style of wood burning kiln to achieve similar aesthetics to Japanese Anagama. Neely’s design however is easier to build and more environmentally friendly, generating heavy ash surfaces using less wood and man power than a tube kiln. Neely is a Professor of Art at Utah State University. For more information on John visit www.usu.edu. The lecture was given at the Cultural Confluence Wood Fire Symposium, held in Helena, MT in October 2018. Hey Red Clay Rambler fans, I want to take a minute to talk to you about our sustaining membership program. As we head into 2019, I want to appeal to you directly to help us meet our new goal of having 120 patrons by April 1st. I’m asking you to make a $5 pledge today at patreon.com/redclayrambler. That’s only $1.25 per episode to help me document the field of ceramics. This new goal will help me record interviews with Canadian artists on my upcoming trip in April. If you prefer you can make a one-time donation through the Pay Pal portal at www.talesofaredclayrambler.com. If you have been thinking about getting involved don’t wait any longer. Every dollar helps, and no donation is too small. Thanks again for supporting the podcast!